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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for Thy humbly acknowledging our need for Thy guidance humbly acknowledging our need for Thy guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for Thy guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for Thy guidance in all things, Thy guidance in all things, and Thy guidance in all things, and laying Thy guidance in all things, and laying aside Thy guidance in all things, and laying aside all Thy guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we beseech and personal interests, we beseech Thee and personal interests, we beseech Thee to and personal interests, we beseech Thee to grant we beseech Thee to grant that we beseech Thee to grant that we we beseech Thee to grant that we may we beseech Thee to grant that we may conduct we beseech Thee to grant that we may conduct the we beseech Thee to grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of Thy of this House and of our country to the glory of Thy holy of this House and of our country to the glory of Thy holy name, to the glory of Thy holy name, the to the glory of Thy holy name, the maintenance to the glory of Thy holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of Thy holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of Thy holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. The The Hon The Hon Gerry The Hon Gerry Brownlee. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the House The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on Tuesday, when the House resumes on Tuesday, August when the House resumes on Tuesday, August 16, when the House resumes on Tuesday, August 16, the when the House resumes on Tuesday, August 16, the Government when the House resumes on Tuesday, August 16, the Government will when the House resumes on Tuesday, August 16, the Government will look August 16, the Government will look to August 16, the Government will look to complete August 16, the Government will look to complete the August 16, the Government will look to complete the third August 16, the Government will look to complete the third reading August 16, the Government will look to complete the third reading of August 16, the Government will look to complete the third reading of the to complete the third reading of the Appropriation to complete the third reading of the Appropriation (2016/17 to complete the third reading of the Appropriation (2016/17 Estimates) Appropriation (2016/17 Estimates) Bill, Appropriation (2016/17 Estimates) Bill, and Appropriation (2016/17 Estimates) Bill, and the Appropriation (2016/17 Estimates) Bill, and the empress Appropriation (2016/17 Estimates) Bill, and the empress supply Appropriation (2016/17 Estimates) Bill, and the empress supply 2016/17 Bill, and the empress supply 2016/17 bill, Bill, and the empress supply 2016/17 bill, and Bill, and the empress supply 2016/17 bill, and progress Bill, and the empress supply 2016/17 bill, and progress the Bill, and the empress supply 2016/17 bill, and progress the stages Bill, and the empress supply 2016/17 bill, and progress the stages of Bill, and the empress supply 2016/17 bill, and progress the stages of a bill, and progress the stages of a number bill, and progress the stages of a number of bill, and progress the stages of a number of other bill, and progress the stages of a number of other bills bill, and progress the stages of a number of other bills on bill, and progress the stages of a number of other bills on the bill, and progress the stages of a number of other bills on the Order number of other bills on the Order Paper. number of other bills on the Order Paper. A number of other bills on the Order Paper. A petition number of other bills on the Order Paper. A petition has number of other bills on the Order Paper. A petition has been number of other bills on the Order Paper. A petition has been delivered Paper. A petition has been delivered to Paper. A petition has been delivered to the Paper. A petition has been delivered to the Clerk Paper. A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for Paper. A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for presentation. to the Clerk for presentation. Petition to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of Penny to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of Penny Bright to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of Penny Bright and to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of Penny Bright and 77 Petition of Penny Bright and 77 others Petition of Penny Bright and 77 others requesting Petition of Penny Bright and 77 others requesting that Petition of Penny Bright and 77 others requesting that the Petition of Penny Bright and 77 others requesting that the House others requesting that the House conduct others requesting that the House conduct an others requesting that the House conduct an inquiry others requesting that the House conduct an inquiry into others requesting that the House conduct an inquiry into the others requesting that the House conduct an inquiry into the alleged conduct an inquiry into the alleged conflict conduct an inquiry into the alleged conflict of conduct an inquiry into the alleged conflict of interest conduct an inquiry into the alleged conflict of interest regarding conflict of interest regarding Auckland conflict of interest regarding Auckland Council's conflict of interest regarding Auckland Council's membership conflict of interest regarding Auckland Council's membership of conflict of interest regarding Auckland Council's membership of the Auckland Council's membership of the New Auckland Council's membership of the New Zealand Auckland Council's membership of the New Zealand Property Auckland Council's membership of the New Zealand Property Council. Auckland Council's membership of the New Zealand Property Council. That New Zealand Property Council. That petition New Zealand Property Council. That petition stands New Zealand Property Council. That petition stands referred New Zealand Property Council. That petition stands referred to New Zealand Property Council. That petition stands referred to a New Zealand Property Council. That petition stands referred to a select petition stands referred to a select committee petition stands referred to a select committee allocated petition stands referred to a select committee allocated by petition stands referred to a select committee allocated by the petition stands referred to a select committee allocated by the Clerk. petition stands referred to a select committee allocated by the Clerk. No committee allocated by the Clerk. No papers committee allocated by the Clerk. No papers have committee allocated by the Clerk. No papers have been committee allocated by the Clerk. 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Report of the Finance and Expenditure of the Finance and Expenditure Committee of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the Controller of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the Controller and Committee on the Controller and Auditor-General Committee on the Controller and Auditor-General - Committee on the Controller and Auditor-General - Annual Committee on the Controller and Auditor-General - Annual Plan Auditor-General - Annual Plan 2016/2017, Auditor-General - Annual Plan 2016/2017, and Auditor-General - Annual Plan 2016/2017, and report Auditor-General - Annual Plan 2016/2017, and report of Auditor-General - Annual Plan 2016/2017, and report of the Auditor-General - Annual Plan 2016/2017, and report of the Social 2016/2017, and report of the Social Services 2016/2017, and report of the Social Services Committee 2016/2017, and report of the Social Services Committee on 2016/2017, and report of the Social Services Committee on the 2016/2017, and report of the Social Services Committee on the petition Services Committee on the petition of Services Committee on the petition of will Services Committee on the petition of will rue Services Committee on the petition of will rue and Services Committee on the petition of will rue and Sunny Services Committee on the petition of will rue and Sunny Bayliss. 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The Clerk has been informed of down for consideration. The Clerk has been informed of the The Clerk has been informed of the introduction The Clerk has been informed of the introduction of The Clerk has been informed of the introduction of bills. introduction of bills. Residential introduction of bills. Residential Tenancies introduction of bills. Residential Tenancies (Safe introduction of bills. Residential Tenancies (Safe and Residential Tenancies (Safe and Secure Residential Tenancies (Safe and Secure Rentals) Residential Tenancies (Safe and Secure Rentals) Amendment Residential Tenancies (Safe and Secure Rentals) Amendment Bill Residential Tenancies (Safe and Secure Rentals) Amendment Bill - Secure Rentals) Amendment Bill - introduction. introduction. Airport introduction. Airport Authorities introduction. Airport Authorities (Publicising Airport Authorities (Publicising Lost Airport Authorities (Publicising Lost Property Airport Authorities (Publicising Lost Property Sales) Airport Authorities (Publicising Lost Property Sales) Amendment Airport Authorities (Publicising Lost Property Sales) Amendment Bill Lost Property Sales) Amendment Bill - Lost Property Sales) Amendment Bill - introduction. - introduction. Land - introduction. Land Transfer - introduction. Land Transfer (Foreign - introduction. Land Transfer (Foreign Ownership - introduction. Land Transfer (Foreign Ownership of Land Transfer (Foreign Ownership of Land Land Transfer (Foreign Ownership of Land Register) Land Transfer (Foreign Ownership of Land Register) Amendment Land Transfer (Foreign Ownership of Land Register) Amendment Bill Land Transfer (Foreign Ownership of Land Register) Amendment Bill - Land Register) Amendment Bill - introduction. introduction. Those introduction. Those bills introduction. Those bills are introduction. Those bills are set introduction. Those bills are set down introduction. Those bills are set down for introduction. Those bills are set down for first Those bills are set down for first reading. Those bills are set down for first reading. The Those bills are set down for first reading. The House Those bills are set down for first reading. The House comes Those bills are set down for first reading. The House comes to Those bills are set down for first reading. The House comes to Oral reading. The House comes to Oral Questions. reading. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question reading. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. reading. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1 reading. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1 in reading. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1 in the Questions. Question No. 1 in the name Questions. Question No. 1 in the name of Questions. Question No. 1 in the name of Grant Questions. Question No. 1 in the name of Grant Robertson. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Minister of Finance: Does Minister of Finance: Does he Minister of Finance: Does he stand Minister of Finance: Does he stand by Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all Does he stand by all his Does he stand by all his statements? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, yes. Mr Speaker, yes. In Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when I Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when I was Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when I was asked Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when I was asked a Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when I was asked a few Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when I was asked a few months Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when I was asked a few months ago Mr Speaker, yes. In particular, when I was asked a few months ago about I was asked a few months ago about what I was asked a few months ago about what I I was asked a few months ago about what I thought I was asked a few months ago about what I thought of I was asked a few months ago about what I thought of a I was asked a few months ago about what I thought of a Labour I was asked a few months ago about what I thought of a Labour Party what I thought of a Labour Party proposal what I thought of a Labour Party proposal that what I thought of a Labour Party proposal that Government what I thought of a Labour Party proposal that Government legislate proposal that Government legislate interest proposal that Government legislate interest rates, proposal that Government legislate interest rates, I proposal that Government legislate interest rates, I said, proposal that Government legislate interest rates, I said, "That's proposal that Government legislate interest rates, I said, "That's a interest rates, I said, "That's a pretty interest rates, I said, "That's a pretty dumb interest rates, I said, "That's a pretty dumb idea." interest rates, I said, "That's a pretty dumb idea." And interest rates, I said, "That's a pretty dumb idea." And I interest rates, I said, "That's a pretty dumb idea." And I stand interest rates, I said, "That's a pretty dumb idea." And I stand by pretty dumb idea." And I stand by that pretty dumb idea." And I stand by that statement. pretty dumb idea." And I stand by that statement. Does pretty dumb idea." And I stand by that statement. Does he pretty dumb idea." And I stand by that statement. Does he stand pretty dumb idea." And I stand by that statement. Does he stand by pretty dumb idea." And I stand by that statement. Does he stand by his that statement. Does he stand by his statement that statement. Does he stand by his statement that that statement. Does he stand by his statement that he that statement. Does he stand by his statement that he is that statement. Does he stand by his statement that he is not that statement. Does he stand by his statement that he is not concerned statement that he is not concerned that statement that he is not concerned that trading statement that he is not concerned that trading banks statement that he is not concerned that trading banks are statement that he is not concerned that trading banks are not statement that he is not concerned that trading banks are not passing that trading banks are not passing on that trading banks are not passing on the that trading banks are not passing on the full that trading banks are not passing on the full OCR that trading banks are not passing on the full OCR rate that trading banks are not passing on the full OCR rate cut? that trading banks are not passing on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, that trading banks are not passing on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, Mr on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, Mr Speaker, on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, Mr Speaker, in on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, Mr Speaker, in the on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, Mr Speaker, in the context on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, Mr Speaker, in the context in on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, Mr Speaker, in the context in which on the full OCR rate cut? Yes, Mr Speaker, in the context in which it Speaker, in the context in which it was Speaker, in the context in which it was made, Speaker, in the context in which it was made, the Speaker, in the context in which it was made, the banks Speaker, in the context in which it was made, the banks operate Speaker, in the context in which it was made, the banks operate in Speaker, in the context in which it was made, the banks operate in a was made, the banks operate in a competitive was made, the banks operate in a competitive environment. was made, the banks operate in a competitive environment. I was made, the banks operate in a competitive environment. I see was made, the banks operate in a competitive environment. I see some competitive environment. I see some of competitive environment. I see some of them competitive environment. I see some of them have competitive environment. I see some of them have decided, competitive environment. I see some of them have decided, for competitive environment. I see some of them have decided, for instance, of them have decided, for instance, today of them have decided, for instance, today to of them have decided, for instance, today to favour of them have decided, for instance, today to favour their of them have decided, for instance, today to favour their depositors of them have decided, for instance, today to favour their depositors by today to favour their depositors by putting today to favour their depositors by putting deposit today to favour their depositors by putting deposit rates today to favour their depositors by putting deposit rates up, today to favour their depositors by putting deposit rates up, and today to favour their depositors by putting deposit rates up, and for putting deposit rates up, and for all putting deposit rates up, and for all those putting deposit rates up, and for all those New putting deposit rates up, and for all those New Zealanders putting deposit rates up, and for all those New Zealanders who putting deposit rates up, and for all those New Zealanders who save all those New Zealanders who save and all those New Zealanders who save and put all those New Zealanders who save and put money all those New Zealanders who save and put money in all those New Zealanders who save and put money in the all those New Zealanders who save and put money in the bank, all those New Zealanders who save and put money in the bank, they and put money in the bank, they probably and put money in the bank, they probably would and put money in the bank, they probably would prefer and put money in the bank, they probably would prefer that. and put money in the bank, they probably would prefer that. Other probably would prefer that. Other banks, probably would prefer that. Other banks, over probably would prefer that. Other banks, over time, probably would prefer that. Other banks, over time, may probably would prefer that. Other banks, over time, may decide probably would prefer that. Other banks, over time, may decide to probably would prefer that. Other banks, over time, may decide to pass banks, over time, may decide to pass all banks, over time, may decide to pass all those banks, over time, may decide to pass all those reductions banks, over time, may decide to pass all those reductions on banks, over time, may decide to pass all those reductions on to all those reductions on to borrowers. all those reductions on to borrowers. In all those reductions on to borrowers. In light all those reductions on to borrowers. In light of all those reductions on to borrowers. In light of that all those reductions on to borrowers. In light of that answer, borrowers. In light of that answer, then, borrowers. In light of that answer, then, has borrowers. In light of that answer, then, has he borrowers. In light of that answer, then, has he sought borrowers. In light of that answer, then, has he sought to borrowers. In light of that answer, then, has he sought to correct borrowers. In light of that answer, then, has he sought to correct the then, has he sought to correct the PM, then, has he sought to correct the PM, who then, has he sought to correct the PM, who said then, has he sought to correct the PM, who said he then, has he sought to correct the PM, who said he thought then, has he sought to correct the PM, who said he thought that then, has he sought to correct the PM, who said he thought that banks PM, who said he thought that banks should PM, who said he thought that banks should "pass PM, who said he thought that banks should "pass on PM, who said he thought that banks should "pass on in PM, who said he thought that banks should "pass on in full" PM, who said he thought that banks should "pass on in full" the PM, who said he thought that banks should "pass on in full" the rate should "pass on in full" the rate cut should "pass on in full" the rate cut to should "pass on in full" the rate cut to their should "pass on in full" the rate cut to their customers? should "pass on in full" the rate cut to their customers? That, should "pass on in full" the rate cut to their customers? That, of cut to their customers? That, of course, cut to their customers? That, of course, as cut to their customers? That, of course, as you cut to their customers? That, of course, as you would cut to their customers? That, of course, as you would expect cut to their customers? That, of course, as you would expect from cut to their customers? That, of course, as you would expect from the course, as you would expect from the Opposition, course, as you would expect from the Opposition, is course, as you would expect from the Opposition, is not course, as you would expect from the Opposition, is not quite course, as you would expect from the Opposition, is not quite what course, as you would expect from the Opposition, is not quite what the course, as you would expect from the Opposition, is not quite what the PM Opposition, is not quite what the PM said. Opposition, is not quite what the PM said. In Opposition, is not quite what the PM said. In fact, Opposition, is not quite what the PM said. In fact, he Opposition, is not quite what the PM said. In fact, he made Opposition, is not quite what the PM said. In fact, he made a Opposition, is not quite what the PM said. In fact, he made a comment Opposition, is not quite what the PM said. In fact, he made a comment to said. In fact, he made a comment to the said. In fact, he made a comment to the effect said. In fact, he made a comment to the effect that said. In fact, he made a comment to the effect that he said. In fact, he made a comment to the effect that he expected said. In fact, he made a comment to the effect that he expected that's the effect that he expected that's what the effect that he expected that's what they the effect that he expected that's what they would the effect that he expected that's what they would do the effect that he expected that's what they would do in the effect that he expected that's what they would do in the the effect that he expected that's what they would do in the context the effect that he expected that's what they would do in the context of what they would do in the context of a what they would do in the context of a competitive what they would do in the context of a competitive market. what they would do in the context of a competitive market. Fundamentally, a competitive market. Fundamentally, it's a competitive market. Fundamentally, it's our a competitive market. Fundamentally, it's our view a competitive market. Fundamentally, it's our view that a competitive market. Fundamentally, it's our view that the a competitive market. Fundamentally, it's our view that the competition it's our view that the competition among it's our view that the competition among banks it's our view that the competition among banks will it's our view that the competition among banks will determine it's our view that the competition among banks will determine how it's our view that the competition among banks will determine how much among banks will determine how much is among banks will determine how much is passed among banks will determine how much is passed on. among banks will determine how much is passed on. It's among banks will determine how much is passed on. It's not among banks will determine how much is passed on. It's not the is passed on. It's not the Government's is passed on. It's not the Government's job is passed on. It's not the Government's job to is passed on. It's not the Government's job to tell is passed on. It's not the Government's job to tell them is passed on. It's not the Government's job to tell them how is passed on. It's not the Government's job to tell them how to Government's job to tell them how to run Government's job to tell them how to run their Government's job to tell them how to run their business. Government's job to tell them how to run their business. If Government's job to tell them how to run their business. If it's Government's job to tell them how to run their business. If it's not Government's job to tell them how to run their business. If it's not the run their business. If it's not the Government's run their business. If it's not the Government's job run their business. If it's not the Government's job to run their business. If it's not the Government's job to tell run their business. If it's not the Government's job to tell banks run their business. If it's not the Government's job to tell banks how Government's job to tell banks how to Government's job to tell banks how to run Government's job to tell banks how to run their Government's job to tell banks how to run their business, Government's job to tell banks how to run their business, why Government's job to tell banks how to run their business, why did Government's job to tell banks how to run their business, why did John to run their business, why did John Key to run their business, why did John Key say to run their business, why did John Key say "If to run their business, why did John Key say "If banks to run their business, why did John Key say "If banks behave to run their business, why did John Key say "If banks behave like to run their business, why did John Key say "If banks behave like good Key say "If banks behave like good corporate Key say "If banks behave like good corporate citizens, Key say "If banks behave like good corporate citizens, they Key say "If banks behave like good corporate citizens, they should Key say "If banks behave like good corporate citizens, they should pass corporate citizens, they should pass on corporate citizens, they should pass on Reserve corporate citizens, they should pass on Reserve Bank corporate citizens, they should pass on Reserve Bank cuts corporate citizens, they should pass on Reserve Bank cuts in corporate citizens, they should pass on Reserve Bank cuts in full corporate citizens, they should pass on Reserve Bank cuts in full to on Reserve Bank cuts in full to their on Reserve Bank cuts in full to their customers"? on Reserve Bank cuts in full to their customers"? Because on Reserve Bank cuts in full to their customers"? Because good their customers"? Because good corporate their customers"? Because good corporate citizens their customers"? Because good corporate citizens do their customers"? Because good corporate citizens do what their customers"? Because good corporate citizens do what their corporate citizens do what their customers corporate citizens do what their customers demand corporate citizens do what their customers demand that corporate citizens do what their customers demand that they corporate citizens do what their customers demand that they do. corporate citizens do what their customers demand that they do. And customers demand that they do. And that's customers demand that they do. And that's what customers demand that they do. And that's what will customers demand that they do. And that's what will happen. that's what will happen. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> In <INTERRUPTION> In the <INTERRUPTION> In the end, <INTERRUPTION> In the end, they <INTERRUPTION> In the end, they will <INTERRUPTION> In the end, they will decide <INTERRUPTION> In the end, they will decide how <INTERRUPTION> In the end, they will decide how to In the end, they will decide how to respond In the end, they will decide how to respond to In the end, they will decide how to respond to demand In the end, they will decide how to respond to demand in In the end, they will decide how to respond to demand in the In the end, they will decide how to respond to demand in the market, In the end, they will decide how to respond to demand in the market, and respond to demand in the market, and New respond to demand in the market, and New Zealanders respond to demand in the market, and New Zealanders who respond to demand in the market, and New Zealanders who are respond to demand in the market, and New Zealanders who are worried respond to demand in the market, and New Zealanders who are worried about New Zealanders who are worried about it New Zealanders who are worried about it can New Zealanders who are worried about it can ring New Zealanders who are worried about it can ring up New Zealanders who are worried about it can ring up their New Zealanders who are worried about it can ring up their bank, New Zealanders who are worried about it can ring up their bank, demand New Zealanders who are worried about it can ring up their bank, demand a it can ring up their bank, demand a lower it can ring up their bank, demand a lower interest it can ring up their bank, demand a lower interest rate, it can ring up their bank, demand a lower interest rate, and it can ring up their bank, demand a lower interest rate, and I'm it can ring up their bank, demand a lower interest rate, and I'm told lower interest rate, and I'm told that lower interest rate, and I'm told that they'll lower interest rate, and I'm told that they'll get lower interest rate, and I'm told that they'll get it. lower interest rate, and I'm told that they'll get it. Order! lower interest rate, and I'm told that they'll get it. Order! What that they'll get it. Order! What responsibility that they'll get it. Order! What responsibility does that they'll get it. Order! What responsibility does he that they'll get it. Order! What responsibility does he take that they'll get it. Order! What responsibility does he take for that they'll get it. Order! What responsibility does he take for New responsibility does he take for New Zealanders responsibility does he take for New Zealanders not responsibility does he take for New Zealanders not receiving responsibility does he take for New Zealanders not receiving the responsibility does he take for New Zealanders not receiving the full Zealanders not receiving the full benefit Zealanders not receiving the full benefit of Zealanders not receiving the full benefit of the Zealanders not receiving the full benefit of the OCR Zealanders not receiving the full benefit of the OCR cut Zealanders not receiving the full benefit of the OCR cut today, Zealanders not receiving the full benefit of the OCR cut today, given benefit of the OCR cut today, given the benefit of the OCR cut today, given the ANZ benefit of the OCR cut today, given the ANZ Bank's benefit of the OCR cut today, given the ANZ Bank's statement benefit of the OCR cut today, given the ANZ Bank's statement that the ANZ Bank's statement that lowering the ANZ Bank's statement that lowering lending the ANZ Bank's statement that lowering lending rates the ANZ Bank's statement that lowering lending rates would the ANZ Bank's statement that lowering lending rates would "throw lowering lending rates would "throw fuel lowering lending rates would "throw fuel on lowering lending rates would "throw fuel on the lowering lending rates would "throw fuel on the fire lowering lending rates would "throw fuel on the fire in lowering lending rates would "throw fuel on the fire in an lowering lending rates would "throw fuel on the fire in an overheated fuel on the fire in an overheated housing fuel on the fire in an overheated housing market"? 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How can the Government guarantee that the Government guarantee that the predator-free Government guarantee that the predator-free target Government guarantee that the predator-free target will Government guarantee that the predator-free target will be Government guarantee that the predator-free target will be funded predator-free target will be funded adequately predator-free target will be funded adequately when predator-free target will be funded adequately when fully predator-free target will be funded adequately when fully two-thirds predator-free target will be funded adequately when fully two-thirds of adequately when fully two-thirds of the adequately when fully two-thirds of the funding adequately when fully two-thirds of the funding will adequately when fully two-thirds of the funding will apparently adequately when fully two-thirds of the funding will apparently come the funding will apparently come from the funding will apparently come from the the funding will apparently come from the private the funding will apparently come from the private sector the funding will apparently come from the private sector and the funding will apparently come from the private sector and regional from the private sector and regional councils, from the private sector and regional councils, and from the private sector and regional councils, and Government's from the private sector and regional councils, and Government's own councils, and Government's own contribution councils, and Government's own contribution will councils, and Government's own contribution will be councils, and Government's own contribution will be entirely contribution will be entirely contingent contribution will be entirely contingent on contribution will be entirely contingent on their contribution will be entirely contingent on their decisions? contribution will be entirely contingent on their decisions? 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Why should the public have any confidence that the have any confidence that the Government have any confidence that the Government is have any confidence that the Government is genuinely have any confidence that the Government is genuinely committed have any confidence that the Government is genuinely committed to Government is genuinely committed to the Government is genuinely committed to the predator-free Government is genuinely committed to the predator-free goal Government is genuinely committed to the predator-free goal when Government is genuinely committed to the predator-free goal when another the predator-free goal when another of the predator-free goal when another of its the predator-free goal when another of its 2050 the predator-free goal when another of its 2050 aspirational the predator-free goal when another of its 2050 aspirational goals the predator-free goal when another of its 2050 aspirational goals - of its 2050 aspirational goals - halving of its 2050 aspirational goals - halving greenhouse of its 2050 aspirational goals - halving greenhouse gas of its 2050 aspirational goals - halving greenhouse gas emissions of its 2050 aspirational goals - halving greenhouse gas emissions by halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 - halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 - has halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 - has actually halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 - has actually seen halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 - has actually seen emissions 2050 - has actually seen emissions rise 2050 - has actually seen emissions rise under 2050 - has actually seen emissions rise under her 2050 - has actually seen emissions rise under her Government? 2050 - has actually seen emissions rise under her Government? 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The are a Government that backs itself to succeed. The climate are a Government that backs itself to succeed. The climate change to succeed. The climate change initiatives to succeed. The climate change initiatives are to succeed. The climate change initiatives are excellent. to succeed. The climate change initiatives are excellent. New initiatives are excellent. New Zealand initiatives are excellent. New Zealand is initiatives are excellent. New Zealand is doing initiatives are excellent. New Zealand is doing its initiatives are excellent. New Zealand is doing its fair initiatives are excellent. New Zealand is doing its fair share. initiatives are excellent. New Zealand is doing its fair share. And Zealand is doing its fair share. And there Zealand is doing its fair share. And there will Zealand is doing its fair share. And there will be Zealand is doing its fair share. And there will be other Zealand is doing its fair share. And there will be other announcements there will be other announcements that there will be other announcements that our there will be other announcements that our extremely there will be other announcements that our extremely capable there will be other announcements that our extremely capable Minister, that our extremely capable Minister, the that our extremely capable Minister, the Hon that our extremely capable Minister, the Hon Paula that our extremely capable Minister, the Hon Paula Bennett, that our extremely capable Minister, the Hon Paula Bennett, will that our extremely capable Minister, the Hon Paula Bennett, will be the Hon Paula Bennett, will be making the Hon Paula Bennett, will be making in the Hon Paula Bennett, will be making in due the Hon Paula Bennett, will be making in due course the Hon Paula Bennett, will be making in due course around the Hon Paula Bennett, will be making in due course around that. making in due course around that. But making in due course around that. But for making in due course around that. But for my making in due course around that. But for my part, making in due course around that. But for my part, for making in due course around that. 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If that member is so cynical, why is it that the Greens cynical, why is it that the Greens have cynical, why is it that the Greens have tried cynical, why is it that the Greens have tried to cynical, why is it that the Greens have tried to insert cynical, why is it that the Greens have tried to insert themselves cynical, why is it that the Greens have tried to insert themselves into have tried to insert themselves into Government have tried to insert themselves into Government policies? have tried to insert themselves into Government policies? We're have tried to insert themselves into Government policies? We're pleased Government policies? We're pleased that Government policies? We're pleased that you're Government policies? We're pleased that you're supporting Government policies? We're pleased that you're supporting it, Government policies? We're pleased that you're supporting it, of that you're supporting it, of course. that you're supporting it, of course. Order! that you're supporting it, of course. Order! Does that you're supporting it, of course. Order! Does the that you're supporting it, of course. Order! Does the Minister course. Order! Does the Minister believe course. Order! Does the Minister believe that course. Order! Does the Minister believe that the course. Order! Does the Minister believe that the eradication course. Order! Does the Minister believe that the eradication of believe that the eradication of exhaust believe that the eradication of exhaust fumes believe that the eradication of exhaust fumes from believe that the eradication of exhaust fumes from a believe that the eradication of exhaust fumes from a very believe that the eradication of exhaust fumes from a very large exhaust fumes from a very large number exhaust fumes from a very large number - exhaust fumes from a very large number - tens exhaust fumes from a very large number - tens of exhaust fumes from a very large number - tens of millions exhaust fumes from a very large number - tens of millions of exhaust fumes from a very large number - tens of millions of possums number - tens of millions of possums - number - tens of millions of possums - would number - tens of millions of possums - would make number - tens of millions of possums - would make a number - tens of millions of possums - would make a difference number - tens of millions of possums - would make a difference to number - tens of millions of possums - would make a difference to CO2 - would make a difference to CO2 emissions? - would make a difference to CO2 emissions? The - would make a difference to CO2 emissions? The Minister - would make a difference to CO2 emissions? The Minister makes - would make a difference to CO2 emissions? The Minister makes an emissions? The Minister makes an interesting emissions? The Minister makes an interesting point. emissions? The Minister makes an interesting point. His emissions? The Minister makes an interesting point. His knowledge emissions? The Minister makes an interesting point. His knowledge of interesting point. His knowledge of possum interesting point. His knowledge of possum dietary interesting point. His knowledge of possum dietary habits interesting point. His knowledge of possum dietary habits is, interesting point. His knowledge of possum dietary habits is, perhaps, possum dietary habits is, perhaps, greater possum dietary habits is, perhaps, greater than possum dietary habits is, perhaps, greater than my possum dietary habits is, perhaps, greater than my own. possum dietary habits is, perhaps, greater than my own. But possum dietary habits is, perhaps, greater than my own. But obviously greater than my own. But obviously eradicate greater than my own. But obviously eradicate probably greater than my own. But obviously eradicate probably up greater than my own. But obviously eradicate probably up to greater than my own. But obviously eradicate probably up to 10 greater than my own. But obviously eradicate probably up to 10 million eradicate probably up to 10 million possums eradicate probably up to 10 million possums in eradicate probably up to 10 million possums in this eradicate probably up to 10 million possums in this country eradicate probably up to 10 million possums in this country could eradicate probably up to 10 million possums in this country could only possums in this country could only help possums in this country could only help - possums in this country could only help - not possums in this country could only help - not only possums in this country could only help - not only with possums in this country could only help - not only with our help - not only with our biodiversity, help - not only with our biodiversity, but help - not only with our biodiversity, but also help - not only with our biodiversity, but also with help - not only with our biodiversity, but also with our help - not only with our biodiversity, but also with our gas biodiversity, but also with our gas emissions. biodiversity, but also with our gas emissions. I biodiversity, but also with our gas emissions. I thank biodiversity, but also with our gas emissions. I thank the biodiversity, but also with our gas emissions. I thank the member biodiversity, but also with our gas emissions. I thank the member for emissions. I thank the member for that emissions. I thank the member for that suggestion, emissions. I thank the member for that suggestion, and emissions. I thank the member for that suggestion, and that emissions. I thank the member for that suggestion, and that valuable that suggestion, and that valuable point. that suggestion, and that valuable point. Order! that suggestion, and that valuable point. Order! Will that suggestion, and that valuable point. Order! Will she that suggestion, and that valuable point. Order! Will she take that suggestion, and that valuable point. Order! Will she take up that suggestion, and that valuable point. Order! Will she take up the point. Order! Will she take up the Green point. Order! Will she take up the Green Party's point. Order! Will she take up the Green Party's initiative point. Order! Will she take up the Green Party's initiative of point. Order! Will she take up the Green Party's initiative of charging Green Party's initiative of charging a Green Party's initiative of charging a Taronga Green Party's initiative of charging a Taronga levy Green Party's initiative of charging a Taronga levy on Green Party's initiative of charging a Taronga levy on overseas Green Party's initiative of charging a Taronga levy on overseas visitors a Taronga levy on overseas visitors to a Taronga levy on overseas visitors to ensure a Taronga levy on overseas visitors to ensure a a Taronga levy on overseas visitors to ensure a dedicated a Taronga levy on overseas visitors to ensure a dedicated and to ensure a dedicated and substantial to ensure a dedicated and substantial revenue to ensure a dedicated and substantial revenue stream to ensure a dedicated and substantial revenue stream for substantial revenue stream for eliminating substantial revenue stream for eliminating predators? substantial revenue stream for eliminating predators? If substantial revenue stream for eliminating predators? If not, substantial revenue stream for eliminating predators? If not, why eliminating predators? If not, why not? eliminating predators? If not, why not? This eliminating predators? If not, why not? This really eliminating predators? If not, why not? This really falls eliminating predators? If not, why not? This really falls within eliminating predators? If not, why not? This really falls within the not? This really falls within the domain not? This really falls within the domain of not? This really falls within the domain of the not? This really falls within the domain of the PM not? This really falls within the domain of the PM and not? This really falls within the domain of the PM and Minister domain of the PM and Minister Bennett, domain of the PM and Minister Bennett, because domain of the PM and Minister Bennett, because tourism domain of the PM and Minister Bennett, because tourism is domain of the PM and Minister Bennett, because tourism is their Bennett, because tourism is their purview. Bennett, because tourism is their purview. I Bennett, because tourism is their purview. I would Bennett, because tourism is their purview. I would really Bennett, because tourism is their purview. I would really be Bennett, because tourism is their purview. I would really be very purview. I would really be very hesitant purview. I would really be very hesitant to purview. I would really be very hesitant to say purview. I would really be very hesitant to say that purview. I would really be very hesitant to say that you purview. I would really be very hesitant to say that you have purview. I would really be very hesitant to say that you have to purview. I would really be very hesitant to say that you have to go hesitant to say that you have to go into hesitant to say that you have to go into these hesitant to say that you have to go into these things hesitant to say that you have to go into these things quickly. hesitant to say that you have to go into these things quickly. Clearly, into these things quickly. Clearly, the into these things quickly. Clearly, the Greens into these things quickly. Clearly, the Greens have into these things quickly. Clearly, the Greens have just into these things quickly. Clearly, the Greens have just made into these things quickly. Clearly, the Greens have just made it into these things quickly. Clearly, the Greens have just made it up into these things quickly. Clearly, the Greens have just made it up on the Greens have just made it up on the the Greens have just made it up on the back the Greens have just made it up on the back of the Greens have just made it up on the back of an the Greens have just made it up on the back of an envelope the Greens have just made it up on the back of an envelope - the Greens have just made it up on the back of an envelope - it's the Greens have just made it up on the back of an envelope - it's a the back of an envelope - it's a very the back of an envelope - it's a very poorly the back of an envelope - it's a very poorly thought-through, the back of an envelope - it's a very poorly thought-through, very very poorly thought-through, very poorly very poorly thought-through, very poorly thought-through very poorly thought-through, very poorly thought-through initiative. poorly thought-through initiative. We, poorly thought-through initiative. We, on poorly thought-through initiative. We, on the poorly thought-through initiative. We, on the other poorly thought-through initiative. We, on the other hand, poorly thought-through initiative. We, on the other hand, are poorly thought-through initiative. We, on the other hand, are doing We, on the other hand, are doing some We, on the other hand, are doing some substantial We, on the other hand, are doing some substantial gains We, on the other hand, are doing some substantial gains by We, on the other hand, are doing some substantial gains by doubling some substantial gains by doubling their some substantial gains by doubling their levy, some substantial gains by doubling their levy, I some substantial gains by doubling their levy, I would some substantial gains by doubling their levy, I would suggest, some substantial gains by doubling their levy, I would suggest, Mr their levy, I would suggest, Mr Speaker, their levy, I would suggest, Mr Speaker, by their levy, I would suggest, Mr Speaker, by doubling their levy, I would suggest, Mr Speaker, by doubling the their levy, I would suggest, Mr Speaker, by doubling the tourism Speaker, by doubling the tourism levy, Speaker, by doubling the tourism levy, you Speaker, by doubling the tourism levy, you run Speaker, by doubling the tourism levy, you run the Speaker, by doubling the tourism levy, you run the risk Speaker, by doubling the tourism levy, you run the risk of Speaker, by doubling the tourism levy, you run the risk of killing levy, you run the risk of killing the levy, you run the risk of killing the goose levy, you run the risk of killing the goose that levy, you run the risk of killing the goose that lays levy, you run the risk of killing the goose that lays the levy, you run the risk of killing the goose that lays the golden levy, you run the risk of killing the goose that lays the golden egg. the goose that lays the golden egg. Tourism the goose that lays the golden egg. Tourism is the goose that lays the golden egg. Tourism is now the goose that lays the golden egg. Tourism is now our the goose that lays the golden egg. Tourism is now our biggest the goose that lays the golden egg. Tourism is now our biggest revenue Tourism is now our biggest revenue earner Tourism is now our biggest revenue earner over Tourism is now our biggest revenue earner over dairy. Tourism is now our biggest revenue earner over dairy. Why Tourism is now our biggest revenue earner over dairy. Why would Tourism is now our biggest revenue earner over dairy. Why would you Tourism is now our biggest revenue earner over dairy. Why would you try earner over dairy. Why would you try and earner over dairy. Why would you try and penalise earner over dairy. Why would you try and penalise people earner over dairy. Why would you try and penalise people coming earner over dairy. Why would you try and penalise people coming to earner over dairy. 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They redevelopment of the large block of state housing at Tamikey. They are state housing at Tamikey. They are seeking state housing at Tamikey. They are seeking proposals state housing at Tamikey. They are seeking proposals to state housing at Tamikey. They are seeking proposals to transform state housing at Tamikey. They are seeking proposals to transform the seeking proposals to transform the first seeking proposals to transform the first phase seeking proposals to transform the first phase of seeking proposals to transform the first phase of 1,000 seeking proposals to transform the first phase of 1,000 homes seeking proposals to transform the first phase of 1,000 homes into first phase of 1,000 homes into 2,500 first phase of 1,000 homes into 2,500 new first phase of 1,000 homes into 2,500 new mixed-tenure first phase of 1,000 homes into 2,500 new mixed-tenure homes. first phase of 1,000 homes into 2,500 new mixed-tenure homes. 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By the time the programme is completed, at time the programme is completed, at least time the programme is completed, at least 7,500 time the programme is completed, at least 7,500 homes time the programme is completed, at least 7,500 homes will time the programme is completed, at least 7,500 homes will be time the programme is completed, at least 7,500 homes will be delivered least 7,500 homes will be delivered at least 7,500 homes will be delivered at Tamikey least 7,500 homes will be delivered at Tamikey to least 7,500 homes will be delivered at Tamikey to the least 7,500 homes will be delivered at Tamikey to the Auckland least 7,500 homes will be delivered at Tamikey to the Auckland market. at Tamikey to the Auckland market. This at Tamikey to the Auckland market. This is at Tamikey to the Auckland market. This is the at Tamikey to the Auckland market. This is the largest at Tamikey to the Auckland market. This is the largest urban This is the largest urban redevelopment This is the largest urban redevelopment project This is the largest urban redevelopment project ever redevelopment project ever undertaken redevelopment project ever undertaken in redevelopment project ever undertaken in New redevelopment project ever undertaken in New Zealand redevelopment project ever undertaken in New Zealand and, redevelopment project ever undertaken in New Zealand and, while undertaken in New Zealand and, while taking undertaken in New Zealand and, while taking time undertaken in New Zealand and, while taking time is undertaken in New Zealand and, while taking time is part undertaken in New Zealand and, while taking time is part of undertaken in New Zealand and, while taking time is part of the undertaken in New Zealand and, while taking time is part of the change undertaken in New Zealand and, while taking time is part of the change in taking time is part of the change in Auckland taking time is part of the change in Auckland to taking time is part of the change in Auckland to a taking time is part of the change in Auckland to a modern, taking time is part of the change in Auckland to a modern, vibrant Auckland to a modern, vibrant international Auckland to a modern, vibrant international city. Auckland to a modern, vibrant international city. How Auckland to a modern, vibrant international city. How many Auckland to a modern, vibrant international city. How many new international city. How many new houses international city. How many new houses has international city. How many new houses has the international city. How many new houses has the Government international city. How many new houses has the Government completed houses has the Government completed on houses has the Government completed on public houses has the Government completed on public land houses has the Government completed on public land in houses has the Government completed on public land in the houses has the Government completed on public land in the last houses has the Government completed on public land in the last year, houses has the Government completed on public land in the last year, and on public land in the last year, and how on public land in the last year, and how does on public land in the last year, and how does that on public land in the last year, and how does that compare on public land in the last year, and how does that compare with on public land in the last year, and how does that compare with historic how does that compare with historic levels? how does that compare with historic levels? The how does that compare with historic levels? 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On top of that, other Government programmes have completed Government programmes have completed 155 Government programmes have completed 155 new Government programmes have completed 155 new homes Government programmes have completed 155 new homes in Government programmes have completed 155 new homes in Weymouth, Government programmes have completed 155 new homes in Weymouth, 24 Government programmes have completed 155 new homes in Weymouth, 24 have 155 new homes in Weymouth, 24 have been 155 new homes in Weymouth, 24 have been completed 155 new homes in Weymouth, 24 have been completed in 155 new homes in Weymouth, 24 have been completed in Awatea, 155 new homes in Weymouth, 24 have been completed in Awatea, another been completed in Awatea, another 432 been completed in Awatea, another 432 at been completed in Awatea, another 432 at Hobsonville, been completed in Awatea, another 432 at Hobsonville, 32 been completed in Awatea, another 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in been completed in Awatea, another 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that been completed in Awatea, another 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that first 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that first stage 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that first stage of 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that first stage of the 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that first stage of the Tamikey 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that first stage of the Tamikey project 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that first stage of the Tamikey project - 432 at Hobsonville, 32 in that first stage of the Tamikey project - a stage of the Tamikey project - a total stage of the Tamikey project - a total of stage of the Tamikey project - a total of 1,500 stage of the Tamikey project - a total of 1,500 and stage of the Tamikey project - a total of 1,500 and -- stage of the Tamikey project - a total of 1,500 and -- 1,514 stage of the Tamikey project - a total of 1,500 and -- 1,514 new total of 1,500 and -- 1,514 new homes total of 1,500 and -- 1,514 new homes were total of 1,500 and -- 1,514 new homes were completed total of 1,500 and -- 1,514 new homes were completed last total of 1,500 and -- 1,514 new homes were completed last year total of 1,500 and -- 1,514 new homes were completed last year under homes were completed last year under Government homes were completed last year under Government initiatives. homes were completed last year under Government initiatives. This homes were completed last year under Government initiatives. This is homes were completed last year under Government initiatives. This is the Government initiatives. This is the highest Government initiatives. This is the highest in Government initiatives. This is the highest in 25 Government initiatives. This is the highest in 25 years, Government initiatives. This is the highest in 25 years, and Government initiatives. This is the highest in 25 years, and more Government initiatives. 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How many houses on public land does the government. How many houses on public land does the Government government. How many houses on public land does the Government have public land does the Government have in public land does the Government have in the public land does the Government have in the pipeline public land does the Government have in the pipeline for public land does the Government have in the pipeline for construction in the pipeline for construction between in the pipeline for construction between now in the pipeline for construction between now and in the pipeline for construction between now and 2020, in the pipeline for construction between now and 2020, and in the pipeline for construction between now and 2020, and how in the pipeline for construction between now and 2020, and how does between now and 2020, and how does that between now and 2020, and how does that compare between now and 2020, and how does that compare historically? between now and 2020, and how does that compare historically? The that compare historically? The Government that compare historically? 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On this occasion, I will accept the word time. On this occasion, I will accept the word of time. On this occasion, I will accept the word of the time. On this occasion, I will accept the word of the member. accept the word of the member. Does accept the word of the member. Does she accept the word of the member. Does she agree, accept the word of the member. Does she agree, then, accept the word of the member. Does she agree, then, given accept the word of the member. Does she agree, then, given that accept the word of the member. 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I'd also like to point out to the member that 120,000 point out to the member that 120,000 beneficiaries point out to the member that 120,000 beneficiaries have point out to the member that 120,000 beneficiaries have access point out to the member that 120,000 beneficiaries have access to beneficiaries have access to intensive beneficiaries have access to intensive work-focussed beneficiaries have access to intensive work-focussed case intensive work-focussed case management, intensive work-focussed case management, which intensive work-focussed case management, which is intensive work-focussed case management, which is helping intensive work-focussed case management, which is helping more intensive work-focussed case management, which is helping more of management, which is helping more of them management, which is helping more of them into management, which is helping more of them into independence. management, which is helping more of them into independence. And management, which is helping more of them into independence. And I'd management, which is helping more of them into independence. And I'd say them into independence. And I'd say to them into independence. And I'd say to that them into independence. And I'd say to that member, them into independence. And I'd say to that member, MSD them into independence. And I'd say to that member, MSD has them into independence. And I'd say to that member, MSD has been to that member, MSD has been incredibly to that member, MSD has been incredibly supportive to that member, MSD has been incredibly supportive of to that member, MSD has been incredibly supportive of the incredibly supportive of the approach incredibly supportive of the approach and incredibly supportive of the approach and just incredibly supportive of the approach and just recently approach and just recently transferred approach and just recently transferred 11.38 approach and just recently transferred 11.38 million approach and just recently transferred 11.38 million dollars approach and just recently transferred 11.38 million dollars in transferred 11.38 million dollars in contracts transferred 11.38 million dollars in contracts and transferred 11.38 million dollars in contracts and funding transferred 11.38 million dollars in contracts and funding to transferred 11.38 million dollars in contracts and funding to the contracts and funding to the commissioning contracts and funding to the commissioning agents contracts and funding to the commissioning agents and contracts and funding to the commissioning agents and tranche commissioning agents and tranche three commissioning agents and tranche contracts commissioning agents and tranche three sees more commissioning agents and tranche three sees more to commissioning agents and tranche three sees more to come. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Transport: Associate Minister of Transport: What Associate Minister of Transport: What announcement What announcement has What announcement has the What announcement has the Government What announcement has the Government recently What announcement has the Government recently made has the Government recently made around has the Government recently made around the has the Government recently made around the use has the Government recently made around the use of has the Government recently made around the use of Bluetooth around the use of Bluetooth technology around the use of Bluetooth technology in around the use of Bluetooth technology in the around the use of Bluetooth technology in the South around the use of Bluetooth technology in the South Island technology in the South Island to technology in the South Island to deliver technology in the South Island to deliver information to deliver information for to deliver information for visiting to deliver information for visiting drivers? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, last Mr Speaker, last month Mr Speaker, last month the Mr Speaker, last month the Minister Mr Speaker, last month the Minister of Mr Speaker, last month the Minister of Transport, Mr Speaker, last month the Minister of Transport, Simon Mr Speaker, last month the Minister of Transport, Simon bridges, Mr Speaker, last month the Minister of Transport, Simon bridges, and of Transport, Simon bridges, and myself of Transport, Simon bridges, and myself I of Transport, Simon bridges, and myself I a of Transport, Simon bridges, and myself I a nounsed of Transport, Simon bridges, and myself I a nounsed a of Transport, Simon bridges, and myself I a nounsed a trial of Transport, Simon bridges, and myself I a nounsed a trial of of Transport, Simon bridges, and myself I a nounsed a trial of blue myself I a nounsed a trial of blue blue myself I a nounsed a trial of blue blue technology myself I a nounsed a trial of blue blue technology to myself I a nounsed a trial of blue blue technology to deliver myself I a nounsed a trial of blue blue technology to deliver audio blue technology to deliver audio information blue technology to deliver audio information messengers blue technology to deliver audio information messengers to blue technology to deliver audio information messengers to rental blue technology to deliver audio information messengers to rental car information messengers to rental car drivers information messengers to rental car drivers on information messengers to rental car drivers on the information messengers to rental car drivers on the popular information messengers to rental car drivers on the popular Christchurch drivers on the popular Christchurch to drivers on the popular Christchurch to Queensland drivers on the popular Christchurch to Queensland route. drivers on the popular Christchurch to Queensland route. The drivers on the popular Christchurch to Queensland route. The trial drivers on the popular Christchurch to Queensland route. The trial is to Queensland route. The trial is being to Queensland route. The trial is being run to Queensland route. The trial is being run by to Queensland route. The trial is being run by the to Queensland route. The trial is being run by the NZ to Queensland route. The trial is being run by the NZ Transport to Queensland route. The trial is being run by the NZ Transport Agency being run by the NZ Transport Agency in being run by the NZ Transport Agency in partnership being run by the NZ Transport Agency in partnership with being run by the NZ Transport Agency in partnership with two being run by the NZ Transport Agency in partnership with two companies, in partnership with two companies, HMI in partnership with two companies, HMI Technologies in partnership with two companies, HMI Technologies and in partnership with two companies, HMI Technologies and Go in partnership with two companies, HMI Technologies and Go Rentals. HMI Technologies and Go Rentals. Audible HMI Technologies and Go Rentals. Audible safety HMI Technologies and Go Rentals. Audible safety messages HMI Technologies and Go Rentals. Audible safety messages will HMI Technologies and Go Rentals. Audible safety messages will be HMI Technologies and Go Rentals. Audible safety messages will be sent Audible safety messages will be sent by Audible safety messages will be sent by roadside Audible safety messages will be sent by roadside transmitters Audible safety messages will be sent by roadside transmitters via by roadside transmitters via Bluetooth by roadside transmitters via HMI by roadside transmitters via Bluetooth to devices by roadside transmitters via Bluetooth to devices fitted by roadside transmitters via Bluetooth to devices fitted in Bluetooth to devices fitted in rental Bluetooth to devices fitted in rental vehicles. Bluetooth to devices fitted in rental vehicles. I Bluetooth to devices fitted in rental vehicles. I invite Bluetooth to devices fitted in rental vehicles. I invite members Bluetooth to devices fitted in rental vehicles. I invite members to rental vehicles. I invite members to view rental vehicles. I invite members to view the rental vehicles. I invite members to view the information rental vehicles. I invite members to view the information about rental vehicles. I invite members to view the information about the rental vehicles. I invite members to view the information about the trial view the information about the trial on view the information about the trial on the view the information about the trial on the Go view the information about the trial on the Go Rentals view the information about the trial on the Go Rentals website. view the information about the trial on the Go Rentals website. The view the information about the trial on the Go Rentals website. The site on the Go Rentals website. The site includes on the Go Rentals website. The site includes a on the Go Rentals website. The site includes a map on the Go Rentals website. The site includes a map where on the Go Rentals website. The site includes a map where the includes a map where the transmitters includes a map where the transmitters are includes a map where the transmitters are and includes a map where the transmitters are and general transmitters are and general information transmitters are and general information about transmitters are and general information about the transmitters are and general information about the trial. transmitters are and general information about the trial. I transmitters are and general information about the trial. I ubdz information about the trial. I ubdz stand information about the trial. I ubdz stand the information about the trial. I ubdz stand the trial information about the trial. I ubdz stand the trial is information about the trial. I ubdz stand the trial is going information about the trial. I ubdz stand the trial is going very information about the trial. I ubdz stand the trial is going very well stand the trial is going very well and stand the trial is going very well and that stand the trial is going very well and that the stand the trial is going very well and that the numbers stand the trial is going very well and that the numbers of stand the trial is going very well and that the numbers of those and that the numbers of those participating and that the numbers of those participating has and that the numbers of those participating has already and that the numbers of those participating has already exceeded participating has already exceeded expectations. expectations. How expectations. How will expectations. How will this expectations. How will this trial expectations. How will this trial complement expectations. How will this trial complement other How will this trial complement other initiatives How will this trial complement other initiatives to How will this trial complement other initiatives to assist How will this trial complement other initiatives to assist visiting initiatives to assist visiting drivers, initiatives to assist visiting expectations. initiatives to assist visiting drivers, especially those initiatives to assist visiting drivers, especially those travelling drivers, especially those travelling in drivers, especially those travelling in Southland? in Southland? This in Southland? This technology in Southland? This technology has in Southland? This technology has the in Southland? This technology has the potential in Southland? This technology has the potential to This technology has the potential to improve This technology has the potential to improve safety This technology has the potential to improve safety outcomes This technology has the potential to improve safety outcomes in This technology has the potential to improve safety outcomes in remote improve safety outcomes in remote locations improve safety outcomes in remote locations which improve safety outcomes in remote locations which are improve safety outcomes in remote locations which are the improve safety outcomes in remote locations which are the drawcards locations which are the drawcards for locations which are the drawcards for many locations which are the drawcards for many of locations which are the drawcards for many of our locations which are the drawcards for many of our visiting locations which are the drawcards for many of our visiting drivers. for many of our visiting drivers. This for many of our visiting drivers. This trial for many of our visiting drivers. This trial will for many of our visiting drivers. This trial will compliment for many of our visiting drivers. This trial will compliment the for many of our visiting drivers. This trial will compliment the many This trial will compliment the many other This trial will compliment the many other initiatives This trial will compliment the many other initiatives which This trial will compliment the many other initiatives which are This trial will compliment the many other initiatives which are already other initiatives which are already in other initiatives which are already in place other initiatives which are already in place to other initiatives which are already in place to provide other initiatives which are already in place to provide visitors other initiatives which are already in place to provide visitors with in place to provide visitors with road in place to provide visitors with road safety in place to provide visitors with road safety information in place to provide visitors with road safety information at in place to provide visitors with road safety information at each road safety information at each stage road safety information at each stage of road safety information at each stage of their road safety information at each stage of their journey road safety information at each stage of their journey and road safety information at each stage of their journey and holiday stage of their journey and holiday in stage of their journey and holiday in New stage of their journey and holiday in New Zealand stage of their journey and holiday in New Zealand - stage of their journey and holiday in New Zealand - planning, stage of their journey and holiday in New Zealand - planning, booking, in New Zealand - planning, booking, arriving in New Zealand - planning, booking, arriving in in New Zealand - planning, booking, arriving in New in New Zealand - planning, booking, arriving in New Zealand, in New Zealand - planning, booking, arriving in New Zealand, inflight arriving in New Zealand, inflight information arriving in New Zealand, inflight information and arriving in New Zealand, inflight information and when, arriving in New Zealand, inflight information and when, on arriving in New Zealand, inflight information and when, on our arriving in New Zealand, inflight information and when, on our roads. information and when, on our roads. 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They may have been in area where there is chronic been in area where there is chronic short been in area where there is chronic short supply been in area where there is chronic short supply of been in area where there is chronic short supply of labour, short supply of labour, notwithstanding short supply of labour, notwithstanding the short supply of labour, notwithstanding the jobseekers short supply of labour, notwithstanding the jobseekers that notwithstanding the jobseekers that Mr notwithstanding the jobseekers that been notwithstanding the jobseekers that Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. notwithstanding the jobseekers that Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I notwithstanding the jobseekers that Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I don't Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I don't know Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I don't know if Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I don't know if the Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I don't know if the number Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I don't know if the number is Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I don't know if the number is 23,000, Mr Lees-Galloway suggests. I don't know if the number is 23,000, given know if the number is 23,000, given overall know if the number is 23,000, given overall jobs' know if the number is 23,000, given overall jobs' numbers know if the number is 23,000, given overall jobs' numbers at know if the number is 23,000, given overall jobs' numbers at the know if the number is 23,000, given overall jobs' numbers at the moment overall jobs' numbers at the moment are overall jobs' numbers at the moment are hovering overall jobs' numbers at the moment are hovering around overall jobs' numbers at the moment are hovering around 50. overall jobs' numbers at the moment are hovering around 50. I overall jobs' numbers at the moment are hovering around 50. I would are hovering around 50. I would hazard are hovering around 50. I would hazard a are hovering around 50. I would hazard a dress are hovering around 50. I would hazard a dress that are hovering around 50. I would hazard a dress that there are hovering around 50. I would hazard a dress that there weren't hazard a dress that there weren't half hazard a dress that there weren't half looking hazard a dress that there weren't half looking for hazard a dress that there weren't half looking for sales hazard a dress that there weren't half looking for sales rep hazard a dress that there weren't half looking for sales rep jobs. hazard a dress that there weren't half looking for sales rep jobs. But half looking for sales rep jobs. But it's half looking for sales rep jobs. But it's important half looking for sales rep jobs. But it's important to half looking for sales rep jobs. But it's important to look half looking for sales rep jobs. But it's important to look through half looking for sales rep jobs. But it's important to look through the it's important to look through the numbers it's important to look through the numbers and it's important to look through the numbers and make it's important to look through the numbers and make sure it's important to look through the numbers and make sure the it's important to look through the numbers and make sure the reasons numbers and make sure the reasons for numbers and make sure the reasons for the numbers and make sure the reasons for the work numbers and make sure the reasons for the work visas numbers and make sure the reasons for the work visas being numbers and make sure the reasons for the work visas being granted numbers and make sure the reasons for the work visas being granted are for the work visas being granted are understood. understood. Why understood. Why did understood. Why did the understood. Why did the Government understood. Why did the Government approve understood. Why did the Government approve work Why did the Government approve work visas Why did the Government approve work visas for Why did the Government approve work visas for 6,500 Why did the Government approve work visas for 6,500 labourers Why did the Government approve work visas for 6,500 labourers last Why did the Government approve work visas for 6,500 labourers last year visas for 6,500 labourers last year when visas for 6,500 labourers last year when there visas for 6,500 labourers last year when there are visas for 6,500 labourers last year when there are 23,000 visas for 6,500 labourers last year when there are 23,000 unemployed when there are 23,000 unemployed labourers when there are 23,000 unemployed when when there are 23,000 unemployed labourers right here when there are 23,000 unemployed labourers right here in when there are 23,000 unemployed labourers right here in New when there are 23,000 unemployed labourers right here in New Zealand, labourers right here in New Zealand, ready labourers right here in New Zealand, ready to labourers right here in New Zealand, ready to work? ready to work? So ready to work? So we ready to work? So we don't ready to work? So we don't have ready to work? So we don't have 23,000 ready to work? So we don't have 23,000 unemployed So we don't have 23,000 unemployed labourerers So we don't have 23,000 unemployed labourerers and So we don't have 23,000 unemployed labourerers and 23,000 So we don't have 23,000 unemployed labourerers and 23,000 unemployed labourerers and 23,000 unemployed sales labourerers and 23,000 unemployed sales workers, labourerers and 23,000 unemployed sales workers, that labourerers and 23,000 unemployed sales workers, that represents labourerers and 23,000 unemployed sales workers, that represents 100% sales workers, that represents 100% of sales workers, that represents 100% of jobseeker sales workers, that represents 100% of jobseeker support sales workers, that represents 100% of jobseeker support numbers sales workers, that represents 100% of jobseeker support numbers right of jobseeker support numbers right now. of jobseeker support numbers right now. I of jobseeker support numbers right now. I would of jobseeker support numbers right now. I would suggest of jobseeker support numbers right now. I would suggest those of jobseeker support numbers right now. I would suggest those numbers now. I would suggest those numbers be now. I would suggest those numbers be viewed now. I would suggest those numbers be viewed with now. I would suggest those numbers be viewed with a now. I would suggest those numbers be viewed with a great now. I would suggest those numbers be viewed with a great deal now. I would suggest those numbers be viewed with a great deal of be viewed with a great deal of caution. be viewed with a great deal of caution. But be viewed with a great deal of caution. But the be viewed with a great deal of caution. But the simple be viewed with a great deal of caution. But the simple answer be viewed with a great deal of caution. But the simple answer to caution. But the simple answer to the caution. But the simple answer to the question caution. But the simple answer to the question is caution. But the simple answer to the question is that caution. But the simple answer to the question is that there caution. But the simple answer to the question is that there wasn't caution. But the simple answer to the question is that there wasn't a the question is that there wasn't a New the question is that there wasn't a New Zealander the question is that there wasn't a New Zealander available the question is that there wasn't a New Zealander available to the question is that there wasn't a New Zealander available to do the question is that there wasn't a New Zealander available to do the New Zealander available to do the job New Zealander available to do the job in New Zealander available to do the job in the New Zealander available to do the job in the place New Zealander available to do the job in the place where New Zealander available to do the job in the place where the New Zealander available to do the job in the place where the work New Zealander available to do the job in the place where the work was. job in the place where the work was. And job in the place where the work was. And I job in the place where the work was. And I note job in the place where the work was. And I note further job in the place where the work was. And I note further that job in the place where the work was. And I note further that we job in the place where the work was. And I note further that we now job in the place where the work was. And I note further that we now have And I note further that we now have moved And I note further that we now have moved a And I note further that we now have moved a long And I note further that we now have moved a long way And I note further that we now have moved a long way away And I note further that we now have moved a long way away from And I note further that we now have moved a long way away from the, moved a long way away from the, where moved a long way away from the, where are moved a long way away from the, where are the moved a long way away from the, where are the jobs moved a long way away from the, where are the jobs call moved a long way away from the, where are the jobs call now, moved a long way away from the, where are the jobs call now, because where are the jobs call now, because the where are the jobs call now, because the jobs where are the jobs call now, because the jobs are where are the jobs call now, because the jobs are definitely where are the jobs call now, because the jobs are definitely been where are the jobs call now, because the jobs are definitely been made where are the jobs call now, because the jobs are definitely been made by the jobs are definitely been made by a the jobs are definitely been made by a growing the jobs are definitely been made by a growing economy the jobs are definitely been made by a growing economy in the jobs are definitely been made by a growing economy in this the jobs are definitely been made by a growing economy in this country. a growing economy in this country. Order! Order! Why Order! Why is Order! Why is the Order! Why is the Government Order! Why is the Government issuing Order! Why is the Government issuing work Why is the Government issuing work visas Why is the Government issuing work visas to Why is the Government issuing work visas to fill Why is the Government issuing work visas to fill the Why is the Government issuing work visas to fill the jobs Why is the Government issuing work visas to fill the jobs that Why is the Government issuing work visas to fill the jobs that tens Why is the Government issuing work visas to fill the jobs that tens of visas to fill the jobs that tens of thousands visas to fill the jobs that tens of thousands of visas to fill the jobs that tens of thousands of unemployed visas to fill the jobs that tens of thousands of unemployed Kyoto thousands of unemployed Kyoto whiches thousands of unemployed Kyoto Order! thousands of unemployed Kyoto whiches want? A thousands of unemployed Kyoto whiches want? 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A policy that leads new migrants vulnerable and leads to new migrants vulnerable and leads to fewer new migrants vulnerable and leads to fewer jobs new migrants vulnerable and leads to fewer jobs with new migrants vulnerable and leads to fewer jobs with lower new migrants vulnerable and leads to fewer jobs with lower wages new migrants vulnerable and leads to fewer jobs with lower wages for fewer jobs with lower wages for Kiwis? Kiwis? I'm Kiwis? I'm glad Kiwis? I'm glad to Kiwis? I'm glad to note Kiwis? I'm glad to note the Kiwis? I'm glad to note the Labour Kiwis? I'm glad to note the Labour Party Kiwis? I'm glad to note the Labour Party is I'm glad to note the Labour Party is now I'm glad to note the Labour Party is now acknowledging I'm glad to note the Labour Party is now acknowledging there I'm glad to note the Labour Party is now acknowledging there are I'm glad to note the Labour Party is now acknowledging there are jobs I'm glad to note the Labour Party is now acknowledging there are jobs for now acknowledging there are jobs for every now acknowledging there are jobs for every single now acknowledging there are jobs for every single New now acknowledging there are jobs for every single New Zealander now acknowledging there are jobs for every single New Zealander who now acknowledging there are jobs for every single New Zealander who wants every single New Zealander who wants them every single New Zealander who wants them in every single New Zealander who wants them in this every single New Zealander who wants them in this growing every single New Zealander who wants them in this growing economy. every single New Zealander who wants them in this growing economy. But every single New Zealander who wants them in this growing economy. But it them in this growing economy. But it would them in this growing economy. But it would be them in this growing economy. But it would be naive them in this growing economy. But it would be naive to them in this growing economy. But it would be naive to think them in this growing economy. But it would be naive to think that them in this growing economy. But it would be naive to think that there would be naive to think that there weren't would be naive to think that there weren't barriers would be naive to think that there weren't barriers to would be naive to think that there weren't barriers to employment would be naive to think that there weren't barriers to employment for weren't barriers to employment for some weren't barriers to employment for some of weren't barriers to employment for some of those weren't barriers to employment for some of those New weren't barriers to employment for some of those New Zealanders. weren't barriers to employment for some of those New Zealanders. The some of those New Zealanders. The Minister some of those New Zealanders. The Minister of some of those New Zealanders. The Minister of Tertiary some of those New Zealanders. The Minister of Tertiary Education some of those New Zealanders. The Minister of Tertiary Education and Minister of Tertiary Education and Employment, Minister of Tertiary Education and Employment, the Minister of Tertiary Education and Employment, the Minister Minister of Tertiary Education and Employment, the Minister of Minister of Tertiary Education and Employment, the Minister of Social Employment, the Minister of Social Development Employment, the Minister of Social Development and Employment, the Minister of Social Development and I Employment, the Minister of Social Development and I are Employment, the Minister of Social Development and I are working Development and I are working extremely Development and I are working extremely hard Development and I are working extremely hard to Development and I are working extremely hard to remove Development and I are working extremely hard to remove those extremely hard to remove those barriers, extremely hard to remove those barriers, geography, extremely hard to remove those barriers, geography, training barriers, geography, training skills, barriers, geography, training skills, recreational barriers, geography, training skills, recreational drug barriers, geography, training skills, recreational drug and skills, recreational drug and alcohol skills, recreational drug and alcohol adeuce skills, recreational drug and alcohol adeuce -- skills, recreational drug and alcohol adeuce -- abuse skills, recreational drug and alcohol adeuce -- abuse that skills, recreational drug and alcohol adeuce -- abuse that thesed alcohol adeuce -- abuse that thesed to alcohol adeuce -- abuse that thesed to needs alcohol adeuce -- abuse that thesed to needs to alcohol adeuce -- abuse that thesed to needs to be alcohol adeuce -- abuse that thesed to needs to be addressed alcohol adeuce -- abuse that thesed to needs to be addressed before to needs to be addressed before work. to needs to be addressed before work. 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Is the Minister surprised he has so Is the Minister surprised he has so many Is the Minister surprised he has so many anti-immigration Is the Minister surprised he has so many anti-immigration questions Is the Minister surprised he has so many anti-immigration questions from many anti-immigration questions from Labour many anti-immigration questions from Labour these many anti-immigration questions from Labour these days, many anti-immigration questions from Labour these days, given many anti-immigration questions from Labour these days, given that Labour these days, given that previous Labour these days, given that previous Labour Labour these days, given that previous Labour leaders Labour these days, given that previous Labour leaders have Labour these days, given that previous Labour leaders have so previous Labour leaders have so viciously previous Labour leaders have so viciously attacked previous Labour leaders have so viciously attacked New previous Labour leaders have so viciously attacked New Zealand previous Labour leaders have so viciously attacked New Zealand First viciously attacked New Zealand First and viciously attacked New Zealand First and Winston viciously attacked New Zealand First and Winston Peters viciously attacked New Zealand First and Winston Peters on viciously attacked New Zealand First and Winston Peters on the viciously attacked New Zealand First and Winston Peters on the very viciously attacked New Zealand First and Winston Peters on the very same and Winston Peters on the very same topic? topic? Order! topic? Order! No, topic? Order! No, I topic? Order! No, I will topic? Order! No, I will hear topic? Order! No, I will hear from topic? Order! No, I will hear from Chris Order! No, I will hear from Chris Hipkins. Hipkins. Mr Hipkins. Mr Speaker, Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the minister Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the minister is Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the minister is not Mr Speaker, the minister is not responsible Mr Speaker, the minister is not responsible for Mr Speaker, the minister is not responsible for questions Mr Speaker, the minister is not responsible for questions that Mr Speaker, the minister is not responsible for questions that the responsible for questions that the Opposition responsible for questions that the Opposition asks. responsible for questions that the Opposition asks. I responsible for questions that the Opposition asks. I can't responsible for questions that the Opposition asks. I can't see responsible for questions that the Opposition asks. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Tourism: Minister of Tourism: What Minister of Tourism: What reports Minister of Tourism: What reports has Minister of Tourism: What reports has he Minister of Tourism: What reports has he received What reports has he received about What reports has he received about increased What reports has he received about increased spending What reports has he received about increased spending by What reports has he received about increased spending by tourists about increased spending by tourists visiting about increased spending by tourists visiting this about increased spending by tourists visiting this winter? Mr Mr Speaker Mr Speaker on Mr Speaker on behalf Mr Speaker on behalf of Mr Speaker on behalf of the Mr Speaker on behalf of the Minister Mr Speaker on behalf of the Minister of Mr Speaker on behalf of the Minister of Tourism, Mr Speaker on behalf of the Minister of Tourism, the Mr Speaker on behalf of the Minister of Tourism, the latest Mr Speaker on behalf of the Minister of Tourism, the latest monthly of Tourism, the latest monthly regional of Tourism, the latest monthly regional tourism of Tourism, the latest monthly regional tourism estimates of Tourism, the latest monthly regional tourism estimates show regional tourism estimates show there's regional tourism estimates show there's been regional tourism estimates show there's been a regional tourism estimates show there's been a strong regional tourism estimates show there's been a strong start regional tourism estimates show there's been a strong start to regional tourism estimates show there's been a strong start to the there's been a strong start to the winter there's been a strong start to the winter season there's been a strong start to the winter season with there's been a strong start to the winter season with tourists there's been a strong start to the winter season with tourists spending winter season with tourists spending more winter season with tourists spending more in winter season with tourists spending more in every winter season with tourists spending more in every region winter season with tourists spending more in every region than winter season with tourists spending more in every region than they winter season with tourists spending more in every region than they did more in every region than they did at more in every region than they did at the more in every region than they did at the same more in every region than they did at the same time more in every region than they did at the same time last more in every region than they did at the same time last year. more in every region than they did at the same time last year. 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It introduces to a large number of them. It introduces a to a large number of them. It introduces a new to a large number of them. It introduces a new calculation to a large number of them. It introduces a new calculation method introduces a new calculation method to introduces a new calculation method to better introduces a new calculation method to better match introduces a new calculation method to better match tax introduces a new calculation method to better match tax payments introduces a new calculation method to better match tax payments with to better match tax payments with income to better match tax payments with income earning. to better match tax payments with income earning. The to better match tax payments with income earning. The proposed to better match tax payments with income earning. The proposed new income earning. The proposed new calculation income earning. The proposed new calculation approach income earning. The proposed new calculation approach - income earning. The proposed new calculation approach - the calculation approach - the accounting calculation approach - the accounting income calculation approach - the accounting income method calculation approach - the accounting income method - calculation approach - the accounting income method - takes accounting income method - takes advantage accounting income method - takes advantage of accounting income method - takes advantage of technological accounting income method - takes advantage of technological advances advantage of technological advances to advantage of technological advances to smooth advantage of technological advances to smooth the advantage of technological advances to smooth the process. advantage of technological advances to smooth the process. It advantage of technological advances to smooth the process. It more to smooth the process. It more closely to smooth the process. It more closely matches to smooth the process. It more closely matches income to smooth the process. It more closely matches income earning to smooth the process. It more closely matches income earning with closely matches income earning with tax closely matches income earning with tax payments, closely matches income earning with tax payments, and closely matches income earning with tax payments, and reduces closely matches income earning with tax payments, and reduces compliance tax payments, and reduces compliance costs tax payments, and reduces compliance costs for tax payments, and reduces compliance costs for small tax payments, and reduces compliance costs for small business. tax payments, and reduces compliance costs for small business. The costs for small business. The objective costs for small business. The objective is costs for small business. The objective is to costs for small business. The objective is to simplify costs for small business. The objective is to simplify tax objective is to simplify tax processes objective is to simplify tax processes so, objective is to simplify tax processes so, rather objective is to simplify tax processes so, rather than objective is to simplify tax processes so, rather than imposing objective is to simplify tax processes so, rather than imposing a processes so, rather than imposing a stand-alone processes so, rather than imposing a stand-alone tax processes so, rather than imposing a stand-alone tax process, processes so, rather than imposing a stand-alone tax process, tax processes so, rather than imposing a stand-alone tax process, tax would stand-alone tax process, tax would become stand-alone tax process, tax would become part stand-alone tax process, tax would become part of stand-alone tax process, tax would become part of the stand-alone tax process, tax would become part of the normal, stand-alone tax process, tax would become part of the normal, everyday become part of the normal, everyday accounting become part of the normal, everyday accounting work become part of the normal, everyday accounting work that become part of the normal, everyday accounting work that businesses accounting work that businesses already accounting work that businesses already do accounting work that businesses already do in accounting work that businesses already do in managing accounting work that businesses already do in managing their already do in managing their finances. already do in managing their finances. Because already do in managing their finances. Because tax already do in managing their finances. Because tax will already do in managing their finances. Because tax will be already do in managing their finances. Because tax will be paid finances. Because tax will be paid as finances. Because tax will be paid as income finances. Because tax will be paid as income is finances. Because tax will be paid as income is earned, finances. Because tax will be paid as income is earned, businesses as income is earned, businesses using as income is earned, businesses using the as income is earned, businesses using the accounting as income is earned, businesses using the accounting income as income is earned, businesses using the accounting income method using the accounting income method will using the accounting income method will have using the accounting income method will have more using the accounting income method will have more certainty using the accounting income method will have more certainty that will have more certainty that they're will have more certainty that they're paying will have more certainty that they're paying the will have more certainty that they're paying the right will have more certainty that they're paying the right amount will have more certainty that they're paying the right amount of they're paying the right amount of tax. they're paying the right amount of tax. 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But this isn't a case of throwing the baby out with the bath throwing the baby out with the bath withwater throwing the baby out with the bath withwater - throwing the baby out with the bath withwater - while throwing the baby out with the bath withwater - while the throwing the baby out with the bath withwater - while the current withwater - while the current calculation withwater - while the current calculation methods withwater - while the current calculation methods don't withwater - while the current calculation methods don't meet calculation methods don't meet everyone's calculation methods don't meet everyone's needs, calculation methods don't meet everyone's needs, there calculation methods don't meet everyone's needs, there are everyone's needs, there are certainly everyone's needs, there are certainly businesses everyone's needs, there are certainly businesses for everyone's needs, there are certainly businesses for whom everyone's needs, there are certainly businesses for whom the certainly businesses for whom the current certainly businesses for whom the current provisional certainly businesses for whom the current provisional tax certainly businesses for whom the current provisional tax methods current provisional tax methods worked current provisional tax methods worked a current provisional tax methods worked a withtly current provisional tax methods worked a withtly well. current provisional tax methods worked a withtly well. 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There is, therefore, no intention to do away therefore, no intention to do away with therefore, no intention to do away with other therefore, no intention to do away with other methods therefore, no intention to do away with other methods for therefore, no intention to do away with other methods for calculating with other methods for calculating provisional with other methods for calculating provisional tax, with other methods for calculating provisional tax, and with other methods for calculating provisional tax, and the with other methods for calculating provisional tax, and the proposal with other methods for calculating provisional tax, and the proposal is provisional tax, and the proposal is for provisional tax, and the proposal is for the provisional tax, and the proposal is for the accounting provisional tax, and the proposal is for the accounting income provisional tax, and the proposal is for the accounting income method provisional tax, and the proposal is for the accounting income method to for the accounting income method to be for the accounting income method to be a for the accounting income method to be a fourth for the accounting income method to be a fourth option for the accounting income method to be a fourth option for for the accounting income method to be a fourth option for calculating be a fourth option for calculating provisional be a fourth option for calculating provisional tax. be a fourth option for calculating provisional tax. The be a fourth option for calculating provisional tax. The Government provisional tax. The Government appreciates provisional tax. The Government appreciates that provisional tax. The Government appreciates that the provisional tax. The Government appreciates that the current provisional tax. The Government appreciates that the current system appreciates that the current system can appreciates that the current system can be appreciates that the current system can be unfair, appreciates that the current system can be unfair, even appreciates that the current system can be unfair, even if appreciates that the current system can be unfair, even if a appreciates that the current system can be unfair, even if a business can be unfair, even if a business ends can be unfair, even if a business ends up can be unfair, even if a business ends up paying can be unfair, even if a business ends up paying the can be unfair, even if a business ends up paying the right can be unfair, even if a business ends up paying the right amount can be unfair, even if a business ends up paying the right amount of ends up paying the right amount of provisional ends up paying the right amount of provisional tax ends up paying the right amount of provisional tax during ends up paying the right amount of provisional tax during the ends up paying the right amount of provisional tax during the year, provisional tax during the year, they provisional tax during the year, they can provisional tax during the year, they can still provisional tax during the year, they can still incur provisional tax during the year, they can still incur use provisional tax during the year, they can still incur use of provisional tax during the year, they can still incur use of money they can still incur use of money interest. they can still incur use of money interest. So they can still incur use of money interest. So for they can still incur use of money interest. So for those they can still incur use of money interest. So for those taxpayers they can still incur use of money interest. So for those taxpayers who interest. So for those taxpayers who use interest. So for those taxpayers who use the interest. So for those taxpayers who use the standard interest. So for those taxpayers who use the standard uplift interest. So for those taxpayers who use the standard uplift method, interest. So for those taxpayers who use the standard uplift method, the use the standard uplift method, the Government use the standard uplift method, the Government is use the standard uplift method, the Government is proposing use the standard uplift method, the Government is proposing two use the standard uplift method, the Government is proposing two changes Government is proposing two changes to Government is proposing two changes to minimise Government is proposing two changes to minimise the Government is proposing two changes to minimise the impact Government is proposing two changes to minimise the impact of Government is proposing two changes to minimise the impact of use Government is proposing two changes to minimise the impact of use of to minimise the impact of use of money to minimise the impact of use of money interest. to minimise the impact of use of money interest. Firstly, to minimise the impact of use of money interest. Firstly, to to minimise the impact of use of money interest. Firstly, to increase money interest. Firstly, to increase the money interest. Firstly, to increase the safe money interest. Firstly, to increase the safe harbour money interest. Firstly, to increase the safe harbour as money interest. Firstly, to increase the safe harbour as to money interest. Firstly, to increase the safe harbour as to when money interest. Firstly, to increase the safe harbour as to when use money interest. 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The bill also proposes extending the bill also proposes extending the safe bill also proposes extending the safe harbour bill also proposes extending the safe harbour to bill also proposes extending the safe harbour to non-individual bill also proposes extending the safe harbour to non-individual -- safe harbour to non-individual -- non-individuals. safe harbour to non-individual -- non-individuals. Combining safe harbour to non-individual -- non-individuals. Combining these non-individuals. Combining these proposals non-individuals. Combining these proposals will non-individuals. Combining these proposals will remove non-individuals. Combining these proposals will remove some non-individuals. Combining these proposals will remove some 67,000 proposals will remove some 67,000 additional proposals will remove some 67,000 additional taxpayers proposals will remove some 67,000 additional taxpayers from proposals will remove some 67,000 additional taxpayers from the additional taxpayers from the impacts additional taxpayers from the impacts of additional taxpayers from the impacts of use additional taxpayers from the impacts of use of additional taxpayers from the impacts of use of money additional taxpayers from the impacts of use of money interest. impacts of use of money interest. Secondly, impacts of use of money interest. Secondly, for impacts of use of money interest. Secondly, for the impacts of use of money interest. Secondly, for the standard impacts of use of money interest. 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This means a taxpayer can pay their entire tax taxpayer can pay their entire tax for taxpayer can pay their entire tax for the taxpayer can pay their entire tax for the year taxpayer can pay their entire tax for the year with taxpayer can pay their entire tax for the year with no taxpayer can pay their entire tax for the year with no use taxpayer can pay their entire tax for the year with no use of taxpayer can pay their entire tax for the year with no use of money for the year with no use of money interest for the year with no use of money interest being for the year with no use of money interest being applied. for the year with no use of money interest being applied. For for the year with no use of money interest being applied. For those interest being applied. For those using interest being applied. For those using the interest being applied. For those using the new interest being applied. For those using the new accounting interest being applied. 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The effect of the proposals will be that use of the proposals will be that use of money the proposals will be that use of money interest the proposals will be that use of money interest will the proposals will be that use of money interest will be the proposals will be that use of money interest will be eliminated the proposals will be that use of money interest will be eliminated or money interest will be eliminated or reduced money interest will be eliminated or reduced for money interest will be eliminated or reduced for the money interest will be eliminated or reduced for the vast money interest will be eliminated or reduced for the vast majority money interest will be eliminated or reduced for the vast majority of reduced for the vast majority of taxpayers. reduced for the vast majority of taxpayers. I reduced for the vast majority of taxpayers. I believe reduced for the vast majority of taxpayers. I believe that reduced for the vast majority of taxpayers. I believe that the taxpayers. I believe that the proposed taxpayers. I believe that the proposed measures taxpayers. I believe that the proposed measures will taxpayers. I believe that the proposed measures will provide proposed measures will provide greater proposed measures will provide greater certainty, proposed measures will provide greater certainty, as proposed measures will provide greater certainty, as well proposed measures will provide greater certainty, as well as proposed measures will provide greater certainty, as well as peace greater certainty, as well as peace of greater certainty, as well as peace of mind, greater certainty, as well as peace of mind, particularly greater certainty, as well as peace of mind, particularly for greater certainty, as well as peace of mind, particularly for smaller of mind, particularly for smaller businesses. of mind, particularly for smaller businesses. The of mind, particularly for smaller businesses. The bill of mind, particularly for smaller businesses. The bill also of mind, particularly for smaller businesses. The bill also proposes businesses. The bill also proposes flexibility businesses. The bill also proposes flexibility for businesses. The bill also proposes flexibility for businesses businesses. The bill also proposes flexibility for businesses that flexibility for businesses that could flexibility for businesses that could trade flexibility for businesses that could trade their flexibility for businesses that could trade their way flexibility for businesses that could trade their way out flexibility for businesses that could trade their way out of flexibility for businesses that could trade their way out of debt. could trade their way out of debt. It could trade their way out of debt. It proposes could trade their way out of debt. It proposes to could trade their way out of debt. It proposes to reform could trade their way out of debt. It proposes to reform the It proposes to reform the late-payment It proposes to reform the late-payment penalty It proposes to reform the late-payment penalty by It proposes to reform the late-payment penalty by no It proposes to reform the late-payment penalty by no longer late-payment penalty by no longer imposing late-payment penalty by no longer imposing the late-payment penalty by no longer imposing the monthly late-payment penalty by no longer imposing the monthly incremental imposing the monthly incremental penalty imposing the monthly incremental penalty from imposing the monthly incremental penalty from new imposing the monthly incremental penalty from new GST, imposing the monthly incremental penalty from new GST, income imposing the monthly incremental penalty from new GST, income tax imposing the monthly incremental penalty from new GST, income tax and penalty from new GST, income tax and overpaid penalty from new GST, income tax and overpaid working-for-families penalty from new GST, income tax and overpaid working-for-families tax overpaid working-for-families tax credits. overpaid working-for-families tax credits. These overpaid working-for-families tax credits. These and overpaid working-for-families tax credits. These and other overpaid working-for-families tax credits. These and other proposed credits. These and other proposed tax-simplification credits. These and other proposed tax-simplification procedures credits. These and other proposed tax-simplification procedures were tax-simplification procedures were driven, tax-simplification procedures were driven, in tax-simplification procedures were driven, in part, tax-simplification procedures were driven, in part, to tax-simplification procedures were driven, in part, to making tax-simplification procedures were driven, in part, to making it tax-simplification procedures were driven, in part, to making it easier driven, in part, to making it easier for driven, in part, to making it easier for people driven, in part, to making it easier for people to driven, in part, to making it easier for people to comply. driven, in part, to making it easier for people to comply. The driven, in part, to making it easier for people to comply. The vast for people to comply. The vast majority for people to comply. The vast majority of for people to comply. The vast majority of people for people to comply. The vast majority of people do for people to comply. 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Of course, Labour wants to see the tax system made wants to see the tax system made simpler wants to see the tax system made simpler for wants to see the tax system made simpler for small wants to see the tax system made simpler for small to wants to see the tax system made simpler for small to medium simpler for small to medium businesses. simpler for small to medium businesses. It's simpler for small to medium businesses. It's about simpler for small to medium businesses. It's about time simpler for small to medium businesses. It's about time it's businesses. It's about time it's here. businesses. It's about time it's here. But businesses. It's about time it's here. But we'll businesses. It's about time it's here. But we'll support businesses. It's about time it's here. But we'll support it, businesses. It's about time it's here. But we'll support it, and businesses. It's about time it's here. But we'll support it, and we here. But we'll support it, and we will here. 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He's told me to talk to and says, "I've spoken to the PM. He's told me to talk to you." and says, "I've spoken to the PM. He's told me to talk to you." And He's told me to talk to you." And then, He's told me to talk to you." And then, lo He's told me to talk to you." And then, lo and He's told me to talk to you." And then, lo and behold, He's told me to talk to you." And then, lo and behold, within He's told me to talk to you." And then, lo and behold, within a He's told me to talk to you." And then, lo and behold, within a month, then, lo and behold, within a month, it's then, lo and behold, within a month, it's all then, lo and behold, within a month, it's all over. then, lo and behold, within a month, it's all over. It's then, lo and behold, within a month, it's all over. It's off then, lo and behold, within a month, it's all over. It's off the then, lo and behold, within a month, it's all over. It's off the IRD then, lo and behold, within a month, it's all over. It's off the IRD work it's all over. It's off the IRD work programme. it's all over. It's off the IRD work programme. And it's all over. It's off the IRD work programme. And the it's all over. It's off the IRD work programme. And the foreign it's all over. It's off the IRD work programme. And the foreign trust programme. And the foreign trust industry programme. And the foreign trust industry gets programme. And the foreign trust industry gets to programme. And the foreign trust industry gets to carry programme. And the foreign trust industry gets to carry on programme. And the foreign trust industry gets to carry on without industry gets to carry on without even industry gets to carry on without even having industry gets to carry on without even having to industry gets to carry on without even having to take industry gets to carry on without even having to take a industry gets to carry on without even having to take a breath. industry gets to carry on without even having to take a breath. That's even having to take a breath. That's because even having to take a breath. That's because this even having to take a breath. That's because this Government even having to take a breath. That's because this Government chose even having to take a breath. That's because this Government chose to because this Government chose to side because this Government chose to side with because this Government chose to side with them because this Government chose to side with them over because this Government chose to side with them over New because this Government chose to side with them over New Zealand side with them over New Zealand taxpayers side with them over New Zealand taxpayers and side with them over New Zealand taxpayers and ordinary side with them over New Zealand taxpayers and ordinary working taxpayers and ordinary working people taxpayers and ordinary working people all taxpayers and ordinary working people all over taxpayers and ordinary working people all over the taxpayers and ordinary working people all over the world. taxpayers and ordinary working people all over the world. And taxpayers and ordinary working people all over the world. And that people all over the world. And that is people all over the world. And that is a people all over the world. And that is a shameful people all over the world. And that is a shameful record people all over the world. And that is a shameful record from people all over the world. And that is a shameful record from this is a shameful record from this Government. is a shameful record from this Government. They is a shameful record from this Government. They had is a shameful record from this Government. They had the is a shameful record from this Government. They had the chance is a shameful record from this Government. They had the chance to Government. They had the chance to stand Government. They had the chance to stand up Government. They had the chance to stand up for Government. They had the chance to stand up for a Government. They had the chance to stand up for a fair Government. They had the chance to stand up for a fair tax Government. They had the chance to stand up for a fair tax system, Government. They had the chance to stand up for a fair tax system, and stand up for a fair tax system, and they stand up for a fair tax system, and they decided stand up for a fair tax system, and they decided against stand up for a fair tax system, and they decided against it. stand up for a fair tax system, and they decided against it. They stand up for a fair tax system, and they decided against it. They went they decided against it. They went with they decided against it. They went with the they decided against it. They went with the insider they decided against it. They went with the insider influence they decided against it. They went with the insider influence that they decided against it. They went with the insider influence that is with the insider influence that is so with the insider influence that is so typical with the insider influence that is so typical of with the insider influence that is so typical of this with the insider influence that is so typical of this Government. with the insider influence that is so typical of this Government. And so typical of this Government. And the so typical of this Government. And the PM so typical of this Government. And the PM said, so typical of this Government. And the PM said, "Don't so typical of this Government. And the PM said, "Don't worry so typical of this Government. And the PM said, "Don't worry about so typical of this Government. And the PM said, "Don't worry about it. the PM said, "Don't worry about it. Ordinary the PM said, "Don't worry about it. Ordinary people the PM said, "Don't worry about it. Ordinary people approach the PM said, "Don't worry about it. 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That's - ordinary people roaming freely every day in the lounge." That's - ordinary people roaming freely in ordinary people roaming freely in the ordinary people roaming freely in the buffet ordinary people roaming freely in the buffet lounge, ordinary people roaming freely in the buffet lounge, talking ordinary people roaming freely in the buffet lounge, talking to ordinary people roaming freely in the buffet lounge, talking to John the buffet lounge, talking to John Key. the buffet lounge, talking to John Key. What the buffet lounge, talking to John Key. What nonsense. the buffet lounge, talking to John Key. What nonsense. This the buffet lounge, talking to John Key. What nonsense. This was the buffet lounge, talking to John Key. What nonsense. This was the Key. What nonsense. This was the PM's Key. What nonsense. This was the PM's personal Key. What nonsense. This was the PM's personal lawyer Key. What nonsense. This was the PM's personal lawyer and Key. What nonsense. This was the PM's personal lawyer and advisor, PM's personal lawyer and advisor, and PM's personal lawyer and advisor, and Todd PM's personal lawyer and advisor, and Todd McClay PM's personal lawyer and advisor, and Todd McClay said, PM's personal lawyer and advisor, and Todd McClay said, "How PM's personal lawyer and advisor, and Todd McClay said, "How much? and Todd McClay said, "How much? High and Todd McClay said, "How much? High high, and Todd McClay said, "How much? High high, PM?" and Todd McClay said, "How much? High high, PM?" This and Todd McClay said, "How much? High high, PM?" This is and Todd McClay said, "How much? High high, PM?" This is a and Todd McClay said, "How much? High high, PM?" This is a shameful High high, PM?" This is a shameful episode. High high, PM?" This is a shameful episode. This High high, PM?" This is a shameful episode. This Government High high, PM?" This is a shameful episode. This Government needs High high, PM?" This is a shameful episode. This Government needs to, episode. This Government needs to, today, episode. This Government needs to, today, acknowledge episode. This Government needs to, today, acknowledge to episode. This Government needs to, today, acknowledge to New episode. This Government needs to, today, acknowledge to New Zealanders today, acknowledge to New Zealanders they today, acknowledge to New Zealanders they got today, acknowledge to New Zealanders they got it today, acknowledge to New Zealanders they got it wrong. today, acknowledge to New Zealanders they got it wrong. The today, acknowledge to New Zealanders they got it wrong. The proposals they got it wrong. The proposals that they got it wrong. The proposals that they they got it wrong. The proposals that they are they got it wrong. The proposals that they are bringing they got it wrong. The proposals that they are bringing to they got it wrong. The proposals that they are bringing to the they got it wrong. The proposals that they are bringing to the House that they are bringing to the House today, that they are bringing to the House today, Mr that they are bringing to the House today, Mr Speaker, that they are bringing to the House today, Mr Speaker, are that they are bringing to the House today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate that they are bringing to the House today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate in today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate in one today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate in one specific today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate in one specific way today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate in one specific way - today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate in one specific way - that today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate in one specific way - that is today, Mr Speaker, are inadequate in one specific way - that is the one specific way - that is the absence one specific way - that is the absence of one specific way - that is the absence of a one specific way - that is the absence of a publicly one specific way - that is the absence of a publicly available absence of a publicly available register absence of a publicly available register of absence of a publicly available register of foreign absence of a publicly available register of foreign trusts. absence of a publicly available register of foreign trusts. Because register of foreign trusts. Because in register of foreign trusts. Because in the register of foreign trusts. Because in the end, register of foreign trusts. Because in the end, if register of foreign trusts. Because in the end, if another register of foreign trusts. Because in the end, if another jurisdiction in the end, if another jurisdiction is in the end, if another jurisdiction is looking in the end, if another jurisdiction is looking around in the end, if another jurisdiction is looking around the in the end, if another jurisdiction is looking around the world in the end, if another jurisdiction is looking around the world to in the end, if another jurisdiction is looking around the world to see is looking around the world to see where is looking around the world to see where money is looking around the world to see where money might is looking around the world to see where money might be is looking around the world to see where money might be parked, is looking around the world to see where money might be parked, if is looking around the world to see where money might be parked, if they where money might be parked, if they can't where money might be parked, if they can't get where money might be parked, if they can't get easy where money might be parked, if they can't get easy access where money might be parked, if they can't get easy access to where money might be parked, if they can't get easy access to that can't get easy access to that register, can't get easy access to that register, they're can't get easy access to that register, they're not can't get easy access to that register, they're not going can't get easy access to that register, they're not going to can't get easy access to that register, they're not going to be register, they're not going to be able register, they're not going to be able to register, they're not going to be able to find register, they're not going to be able to find out. register, they're not going to be able to find out. 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There's not so much a needle in a haystack - it's much a needle in a haystack - it's whether much a needle in a haystack - it's whether there much a needle in a haystack - it's whether there is much a needle in a haystack - it's whether there is a much a needle in a haystack - it's whether there is a needle much a needle in a haystack - it's whether there is a needle in much a needle in a haystack - it's whether there is a needle in a whether there is a needle in a series whether there is a needle in a series of whether there is a needle in a series of haystacks, whether there is a needle in a series of haystacks, and whether there is a needle in a series of haystacks, and they whether there is a needle in a series of haystacks, and they do whether there is a needle in a series of haystacks, and they do not series of haystacks, and they do not have series of haystacks, and they do not have the series of haystacks, and they do not have the information series of haystacks, and they do not have the information to series of haystacks, and they do not have the information to support have the information to support that. have the information to support that. We have the information to support that. We have have the information to support that. We have registers have the information to support that. We have registers of have the information to support that. We have registers of companies that. We have registers of companies in that. We have registers of companies in New that. We have registers of companies in New Zealand. that. We have registers of companies in New Zealand. We that. We have registers of companies in New Zealand. We have that. We have registers of companies in New Zealand. We have registers that. We have registers of companies in New Zealand. We have registers of in New Zealand. We have registers of -- in New Zealand. We have registers of -- we in New Zealand. We have registers of -- we have in New Zealand. We have registers of -- we have publicly in New Zealand. We have registers of -- we have publicly available -- we have publicly available registers -- we have publicly available registers of -- we have publicly available registers of companies. -- we have publicly available registers of companies. We -- we have publicly available registers of companies. We have registers of companies. We have publicly registers of companies. We have publicly available registers of companies. We have publicly available registers registers of companies. We have publicly available registers of publicly available registers of charities. publicly available registers of charities. Why publicly available registers of charities. Why are publicly available registers of charities. Why are foreign publicly available registers of charities. Why are foreign trusts charities. Why are foreign trusts not charities. Why are foreign trusts not seen charities. Why are foreign trusts not seen in charities. Why are foreign trusts not seen in the charities. Why are foreign trusts not seen in the same charities. Why are foreign trusts not seen in the same light? charities. Why are foreign trusts not seen in the same light? The not seen in the same light? The legislation not seen in the same light? The legislation in not seen in the same light? The legislation in front not seen in the same light? The legislation in front of not seen in the same light? The legislation in front of us not seen in the same light? 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That does not properly advance the see this. That does not properly advance the interests see this. That does not properly advance the interests of advance the interests of transparency. advance the interests of transparency. And advance the interests of transparency. And as advance the interests of transparency. And as a advance the interests of transparency. And as a country, advance the interests of transparency. And as a country, we transparency. And as a country, we need transparency. And as a country, we need to transparency. And as a country, we need to hold transparency. And as a country, we need to hold on transparency. And as a country, we need to hold on to transparency. And as a country, we need to hold on to that transparency. And as a country, we need to hold on to that reputation need to hold on to that reputation that need to hold on to that reputation that has need to hold on to that reputation that has been need to hold on to that reputation that has been built need to hold on to that reputation that has been built up need to hold on to that reputation that has been built up over need to hold on to that reputation that has been built up over many that has been built up over many decades that has been built up over many decades around that has been built up over many decades around transparency. that has been built up over many decades around transparency. One that has been built up over many decades around transparency. One of decades around transparency. One of the decades around transparency. One of the saddest decades around transparency. One of the saddest parts decades around transparency. One of the saddest parts of decades around transparency. One of the saddest parts of this decades around transparency. One of the saddest parts of this whole the saddest parts of this whole episode, the saddest parts of this whole episode, Mr the saddest parts of this whole episode, Mr Speaker, the saddest parts of this whole episode, Mr Speaker, was the saddest parts of this whole episode, Mr Speaker, was the the saddest parts of this whole episode, Mr Speaker, was the fact episode, Mr Speaker, was the fact that, episode, Mr Speaker, was the fact that, during episode, Mr Speaker, was the fact that, during it, episode, Mr Speaker, was the fact that, during it, New episode, Mr Speaker, was the fact that, during it, New Zealand episode, Mr Speaker, was the fact that, during it, New Zealand slipped that, during it, New Zealand slipped down that, during it, New Zealand slipped down the that, during it, New Zealand slipped down the Transparency that, during it, New Zealand slipped down the Transparency International down the Transparency International rankings. down the Transparency International rankings. I down the Transparency International rankings. I was down the Transparency International rankings. I was present down the Transparency International rankings. I was present when down the Transparency International rankings. I was present when a rankings. I was present when a Government rankings. I was present when a Government backbencher rankings. I was present when a Government backbencher said, rankings. I was present when a Government backbencher said, "Well, Government backbencher said, "Well, our Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim is Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim is to Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim is to be Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim is to be in Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim is to be in the Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim is to be in the top Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim is to be in the top five Government backbencher said, "Well, our aim is to be in the top five for our aim is to be in the top five for the our aim is to be in the top five for the Transparency our aim is to be in the top five for the Transparency International the Transparency International rankings." the Transparency International rankings." Just the Transparency International rankings." Just imagine the Transparency International rankings." Just imagine if the Transparency International rankings." Just imagine if Steve rankings." Just imagine if Steve Hansen rankings." Just imagine if Steve Hansen held rankings." Just imagine if Steve Hansen held a rankings." Just imagine if Steve Hansen held a press rankings." Just imagine if Steve Hansen held a press conference rankings." Just imagine if Steve Hansen held a press conference and Hansen held a press conference and said, Hansen held a press conference and said, "The Hansen held a press conference and said, "The All Hansen held a press conference and said, "The All Blacks' Hansen held a press conference and said, "The All Blacks' aim Hansen held a press conference and said, "The All Blacks' aim is Hansen held a press conference and said, "The All Blacks' aim is to Hansen held a press conference and said, "The All Blacks' aim is to be said, "The All Blacks' aim is to be in said, "The All Blacks' aim is to be in the said, "The All Blacks' aim is to be in the top said, "The All Blacks' aim is to be in the top five said, "The All Blacks' aim is to be in the top five of said, "The All Blacks' aim is to be in the top five of rugby-playing in the top five of rugby-playing nations." in the top five of rugby-playing nations." He'd in the top five of rugby-playing nations." He'd be in the top five of rugby-playing nations." He'd be sacked nations." He'd be sacked straightaway. nations." He'd be sacked straightaway. When nations." He'd be sacked straightaway. When we nations." He'd be sacked straightaway. When we are