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The Best of RNZ's Podcasts. We conclude our seven-part documentary from Susie Ferguson with on the misinformation subculture in New Zealand. Who's in it? How did they end up there? And, should they be feared? For most New Zealanders, political violence has always been something that happens in another country. Now, as we embark upon an election campaign, it’s a clear and present danger in Aotearoa. Mis- and dis-information is rampant just as the 2023 election campaign comes into view. It has even seeped into mainstream media, like RNZ. It frequently fans racism, sexism, and anti-semitism. It foments hatred and division. People close to it are really worried about where it’s taking us. There are the physical threats and violent acts. And then there is the corrosive impact on our democracy. This is Undercurrent, an RNZ series on misinformation. On this page, you’ll see and hear about the experiences of people who have been active in conspiracy theory networks. Experts explain what’s happening. And political leaders speak frankly about how it’s altering our democracy. You can listen to the full story in a seven-part audio documentary here or on Sundays at 7am on RNZ National. You can also subscribe via Spotify, Apple, iHeart or wherever you get podcasts. [Resources] Netsafe https://netsafe.org.nz/ CERT – Computer Emergency Response Team https://www.cert.govt.nz/ Tauiwi Tautoko https://www.tauiwitautoko.com/ The Dangerous Speech Project https://dangerousspeech.org/ [Credits] Created, produced and presented by Susie Ferguson Written by Susie Ferguson and John Hartevelt Voice actors Vivien Bell, Richard Chapman, Francesca Emms and Carmel McGlone Production help from Duncan Smith and Justin Gregory Engineered and mixed by William Saunders, Marc Chesterman and Phil Benge Visuals and design by RNZ Executive editor John Hartevelt Special thanks to the experts and ordinary people who shared their experience and knowledge for this project. The inside and personal story of the key moments from sporting history. Legislation, issues and insights from Parliament. The House is produced for RNZ with funding from Parliament’s Office of the Clerk.

  • 1[Undercurrent: Misinformation in Aotearoa] The endgame Yes, there really are reasons to believe society will not be overwhelmed by misinformation. [Episode 7, Thursday 27 July 2023, 05:00]

  • 2[Sporting Witness] Pat Rafter wins The US Open How the Australian tennis player surprised the world by winning The US Open in 1997. In 1997, Australian Pat Rafter was the surprise winner of the US Open. Dismissed as a “fluke” victory by John McEnroe, Rafter returned the following year to retain the title. In September 1997, the Australian tennis player Pat Rafter was the surprise winner of the US Open. Dismissed as a “fluke” victory by John McEnroe, Rafter returned to Flushing Meadows the following year to retain the title and also became world number one. Pat Rafter talks to Ashley Byrne about the victories and his career. The programme is a Made-In-Manchester Production. Released on: Saturday 26 August 2023

  • 3[The House] New Parliament, new rules The final thing Parliament did before it adjourned for the election was agree some alterations to Parliament’s rules that will apply to the next Parliament. These are changes that the parties and the clerks have been working on since last year. They even asked for ideas from the public, and while many suggestions don’t come to fruition, there are some quite big shifts – especially around how Parliament keeps an eye on governments. For some insight into the new rules, I sat down with David Wilson, Clerk of The House of Representatives, (who runs Parliament’s Secretariat), and Gabor Hellyer, Principal Committee Clerk, (who administered the special committee that sweated over the new rules). [A regular rejig] New Zealand’s Parliament considers which of its rules (Standing Orders) could be improved at the end of each three-year term of Parliament. Any changes it agrees apply to the following parliament. David Wilson says that while New Zealand is not the only Parliament that changes its rules, we do it more regularly than many. “Some do it only when there's a crisis or some obvious problem that needs fixing. Ours is kind of baked into our cycle and it always happens. And it doesn't necessarily indicate anything's wrong, but it is really part of the culture now that they will always be reviewed, and I guess a feeling that can always be improved.” Parliament even asks the public for feedback on its rules. To get some first-hand experience on submitting to a select committee, I made a submission to the standing orders committee. It was surprisingly easy, unexpectedly enjoyable, and actually resulted in some change. My suggestions were small fry though. Most ideas come from folk with a much better finger on the pulse. The most substantial list of proposed improvements tends to come from the Clerk of the House, whose staff see how things work at the closest quarters (administering the committees, the House and the process of legislation). The various political parties often make submissions, as well as MPs, and Select Committees (which are themselves cross-party groups). Also knowledgeable insiders (e.g. the Parliamentary Counsel’s Office), knowledgeable outsiders (e.g. The Law Commission, law professors or retired MPs like Geoffrey Palmer). And of course John Q. Public. [The changes] The committee’s report back to the House explains all the changes. Some of them are tidy-ups (e.g. including Matariki in Parliament’s holiday schedule), some are fixes (clearing up what property ownership needs to be reported by MPs), and some try to pre-empt potential problems before they arise. A few more cement temporary rules that were adopted during the current Parliament (things like an adjustment to sitting hours). But the bulk of them are attempts to improve the way Parliament performs its core functions: providing a government, passing legislation, and providing scrutiny over that government. [Review and scrutiny] The focus this time is on improving scrutiny of the Executive. It is a difficult task for Parliament, especially because the Executive is huge while Parliament is actually very small with just a few dozen MPs (and very few resources) focused on that task. “It is tricky,” says Gabor Hellyer. “We do have quite a small Parliament, and we're unicameral – so we don't have an upper house, we don't have a House of Lords or some equivalent to that. …And so there's a lot of parliamentary work to do, and a limited number of members to do it.” Question Time is where the public notices scrutiny happening, but that is more theatre than inquiry. Select committees are where the real grunt work can happen, but Select Committees are also tasked with running inquiries into the hundreds of new laws Parliament considers. Scrutinising government performance and spending gets squeezed. The Standing Orders Committee Report included tables of just little time the various committees have devoted to reviews (Appendix C). It wasn’t encouraging. So that is where the changes have been focused. “It's been difficult to find time to do it,” says Wilson. “With a heavy legislative workload it is often the thing that goes by the wayside. So there's always been some [scrutiny], but I think there was a feeling on the Committee that it could have been better; and that was certainly, I think, the sense everybody got from the submissions to the Standing Orders Committee as well.” David Wilson notes that this increased desire for scrutiny is not the result of any recent events or crisis. “It's actually been an ongoing issue.” He says scrutiny improved with the reforms in 1985 led by Sir Geoffrey Palmer, but “it really hasn't ever reached the potential that was envisaged at that time.” The new rules aim to help (or even force) committees to be more systematic in their approach to scrutiny. Each year, each committee will need to plan ahead which agencies they plan to focus on. “They'll spend more time examining and hearing from big agencies that are either large in terms of personnel or budget, or perform some crucial function that really deserves the ongoing attention of Parliament. And there's going to be more time for it.” Making time is a crucial factor. Each year Parliament meets for 30 weeks. Each committee meets on just one morning of those 30 weeks (different committees on different mornings because with few MPs they need to serve on multiple committees). In future two of those 30 weeks will have no meetings of the House and no legislation. The committees will be able to meet all day and focus entirely on scrutiny. David Wilson outlined how that will work. “One week, we'll be focused on the Estimates [the budget], …looking at spending plans and performance plans for agencies. And the other will be an Annual Review Week looking at performance over the last financial year. …And they'll really be able to focus on those agencies they've planned to spend time with, and they will spend more time with them.” And with everyone planning well in advance, the Ministers and State Sector Chief Executives won’t be able to declare themselves unavailable for anything but brief meetings with committees. The report even outlines how those meetings should run, including not allowing ministers to waste time with lengthy introductions. “I think that's something that has been a source of frustration for some time,” says Hellyer. “So there is some pretty strong guidance in there to keep those comments really short to really keep the focus on the opportunity for [MPs] to ask probing questions.” To free up more time for in-depth hearings, committees will be meeting smaller agencies at other times of the year for briefings. [Entrenchment, debates and language] There are many, many other changes to the rules. Here are three: The new rules also tighten up the process whereby Parliament can entrench laws (making them harder to overturn). For more on that significant change see this article. Also, in order to free up those two new weeks for scrutiny, the duration of legislative and urgent debates have shifted slightly. Urgent debates and the first readings of government bills will now be shorter. “The first reading,” says Wilson, “is really the introductory one, where members and parties can set out their position on bills, generally, before they then go to a select committee. They've decided they'll shorten those, make the speeches shorter and make it easier for the whole debate to be shorter [allowing MPs to skip speeches]. In order to create the additional couple of weeks of time, they're going to need to dedicate to scrutiny.” That isn’t really a huge loss. First reading debates tend to feature a lot of almost identical speeches because MP’s opinions on new bills haven’t developed any complexity yet. And finally, language. The MPs have decided to update a few of the most antiquated terms they use in the House. Gabor Hellyer outlined the shift. “One of them is quite a technical one about what's called a closure motion, which is how members move for a debate to conclude.” In future rather than using the rather quaint phrase 'I move that the question be now put', when they want to ask the Speaker to end a debate and call a vote, MPs will ask 'that debate on this question now close'. Yes, these are small things but they are also confusing and can make Parliament seem very foreign to the public. [And two inquiries for the road] Last week, outgoing MP and longtime Standing Orders Committee member Michael Woodhouse (National) described Parliament’s approach to improvement as “make haste slowly”. Changes are only agreed with strong support from across Parliament so there is always a lot of compromise, and no-one gets everything they want. On the upside though, it is an on-going process. For example the review highlighted two further inquiries it wants committees to undertake during the next parliament. One into financial reporting: “We recommend to the House that an inquiry be held into performance reporting and the provision of information by the Government through which it is held accountable by the House. This proposed inquiry follows from concerns raised in recent reports to the House by the Auditor-General and the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment about performance reporting and accountability.” And a second one into how international treaties are handled. “The international treaty examination process has been in place for 25 years, and has largely remained unchanged during that time. In our view, it is time for a review of how the procedure is working. An inquiry by the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Committee into international treaty processes, including both how treaties are made and the parliamentary procedure for examining them, would be the best parliamentary mechanism for such a review.” There is always something else to look into. And that is before a new parliament discovers or creates entirely new issues that need to be fixed or improved on. [Sunday 03 September 2023, 16:00]

Primary Title
  • Features Hour
Secondary Title
  • Undercurrent: Misinformation in Aotearoa | Sporting Witness | The House
Date Broadcast
  • Sunday 3 September 2023
Start Time
  • 07 : 00
Finish Time
  • 08 : 00
Duration
  • 60:00
Channel
  • Radio New Zealand National
Broadcaster
  • Radio New Zealand
Programme Description
  • The Best of RNZ's Podcasts. We conclude our seven-part documentary from Susie Ferguson with on the misinformation subculture in New Zealand. Who's in it? How did they end up there? And, should they be feared? For most New Zealanders, political violence has always been something that happens in another country. Now, as we embark upon an election campaign, it’s a clear and present danger in Aotearoa. Mis- and dis-information is rampant just as the 2023 election campaign comes into view. It has even seeped into mainstream media, like RNZ. It frequently fans racism, sexism, and anti-semitism. It foments hatred and division. People close to it are really worried about where it’s taking us. There are the physical threats and violent acts. And then there is the corrosive impact on our democracy. This is Undercurrent, an RNZ series on misinformation. On this page, you’ll see and hear about the experiences of people who have been active in conspiracy theory networks. Experts explain what’s happening. And political leaders speak frankly about how it’s altering our democracy. You can listen to the full story in a seven-part audio documentary here or on Sundays at 7am on RNZ National. You can also subscribe via Spotify, Apple, iHeart or wherever you get podcasts. [Resources] Netsafe https://netsafe.org.nz/ CERT – Computer Emergency Response Team https://www.cert.govt.nz/ Tauiwi Tautoko https://www.tauiwitautoko.com/ The Dangerous Speech Project https://dangerousspeech.org/ [Credits] Created, produced and presented by Susie Ferguson Written by Susie Ferguson and John Hartevelt Voice actors Vivien Bell, Richard Chapman, Francesca Emms and Carmel McGlone Production help from Duncan Smith and Justin Gregory Engineered and mixed by William Saunders, Marc Chesterman and Phil Benge Visuals and design by RNZ Executive editor John Hartevelt Special thanks to the experts and ordinary people who shared their experience and knowledge for this project. The inside and personal story of the key moments from sporting history. Legislation, issues and insights from Parliament. The House is produced for RNZ with funding from Parliament’s Office of the Clerk.
Classification
  • Not Classified
Owning Collection
  • Chapman Archive
Broadcast Platform
  • Radio
Languages
  • English
Captions
Live Broadcast
  • No
Rights Statement
  • Made for the University of Auckland's educational use as permitted by the Screenrights Licensing Agreement.
Genres
  • Documentary
  • Feature
  • News
  • Politics
  • Sports
Hosts
  • Catriona MacLeod (Presenter, RNZ News / Features Hour)
  • Susie Ferguson (Presenter, Undercurrent: Misinformation in Aotearoa)
  • Ashley Byrne (Presenter, Sporting Witness)
  • Phil Smith (Presenter, The House)
Contributors
  • New Zealand Parliament's Office of the Clerk (Funder, The House)