1New Zealand's prison population is one of the highest in the world and it continues to grow each year. Despite the number of people behind bars, the New Zealand violent crime rate continues to skyrocket. There is a growing sense among New Zealanders that the criminal justice system is becoming too soft on criminals. Interview with Justice Minister Geoffrey Palmer about The Criminal Justice Amendment Bill which tries to balance the need to toughen up on crime with the pressures of an overflowing prison system, followed by a look at inconsistencies within the present justice system. Studio debate about the present justice system and what reforms are necessary.