Tonight on 20/20 ` the secret lives of strippers. Strippers aren't... I was about to say whores ` that's not very nice. Strippers aren't prostitutes. An industry laid bare. Men, we've got cellulite, just so you know. We meet a woman building a stripping empire. That's OK, because it's opening, and we'll make lots of money tomorrow. If people make the choice to wanna to do this industry, it's their choice, no one else's. And we ask about the money. It's not easy money ` it's quick money when you make it. She's a working mum... MAN: She cooks breakfast for her 10-year-old,... Come on, honey. We have to go. ...takes him to school every morning. ...with a secret. You're a porn star. You're a porn star. I'm a porn star, yes, and I don't mind that title. Natalie, also known as... Savanna Samson. So proud and yet so burdened. Most of my family's pretty much ashamed of what I do, and so thank you for this support. And now with a son old enough to know the truth. What will he think of his mom? Captions by Faith Hamblyn. Captions were made possible with funding from NZ On Air. Copyright TVNZ Access Services 2012 Kia ora, I'm Sonya Wilson. Once upon a time you'd find them in dark, dingy clubs on streets synonymous with sex and sleaze. Today their workplace is perhaps just as likely to be a multi-million dollar establishment, and the job seen as a potential career. There's certainly no shame in stripping for the stars of tonight's story, two women who've mastered the art of the adult tease and are in hot demand. Giving them a stage to showcase their talents is Jacqui Le Prou, a 28-year-old giving the industry a shake-up as the face of a stripping empire. They're outrageous, and, as 20/20's Hannah Ockelford discovered, their personalities are infectious. How was your night? How was your night? I had a couple of shows with Bianca. Sarah is catching up with her mum. So we're on stage with the big fireplace and stuff, and she, um, got the chocolate sauce, and this whole blob of muddy chocolate sauce just went,... bleurgh, right on her big boobs. And it looked like somebody had pooed on her chest! (LAUGHS) My mother actually found out, and she rang me up one day and she goes, 'Hi, Syren.' Oh my God. I just about flipping died. Sarah is known on stage as Syren. She was, like, 'What are you doing? You're throwing your life away. You'll be a whore or a porn star.' I said, 'For goodness sake, that's a bit dramatic.' Well, cos she's lactose-intolerant. She can't eat cream. Well, cos she's lactose-intolerant. She can't eat cream. Oh no, lactose-intolerant! I don't know how she can eat chocolate but not cream. I don't. I don't get it, myself. She works in an industry where women are either worshipped or demonised, but her mum is her most dedicated fan. She came up to the club and, um, watched me dance. And you could hear her, 'That's my daughter! That's my daughter!' # I like that... Tonight we meet the women who have mastered the adult tease, women like Syren, who sell the image of perfection. Beyond the dancers' stage and behind the scenes is our strip scene laid bare. I'm not an erotic dancer, not a sensual, feminine dancer or anything like that. So I don't feel sexy; it's... adrenaline, it's kinda like that power as well. # My body rocks a rhythm. You beat my drum hard... Syren's a special feature at clubs like Calendar Girls. We use, like, hot wax and candles, which we insert. Vibrator shows, toy shows, two-girl shows, double-ended shows, yeah. That's kinda as far as you go. Don't do strap-on ` that freaks me out. Did it once, really didn't like it, thought it was very abnormal. (LAUGHS) # I see you talking, talking. Your hands are talking, talking... When she moves, it's fast and erotic. I always get told to slow down. 'Slow down, Syren, slow down.' She's paid to play out a client's fantasy. # I like that... # Beauty and sex are her currency. She is drop-dead gorgeous, and then she opens her mouth, and she's just, you know, like, slang. (LAUGHS) It's so great. I love that about her. The pressure's on. Jacqui Le Prou, the beauty and brains behind a stripping empire. One in, one out. (LAUGHS) What's Jacqui like to work for? What's Jacqui like to work for? Oh, she's a dragon (!) No. (LAUGHS) No, my God, she's choice. Like, she is absolutely amazing, amazing, an amazing woman. Tonight the 28-year-old is hosting the opening of her second Auckland club. I don't mind if you have a few drinks, but do keep your wits about yourself. Do not get drunk, no stumbling, no slurring, no swearing; just be lovely like you always are. It has been months of work. Today you may not make as much money as normal, but that's OK because it's opening, and we'll make lots of money tomorrow. (GIGGLES) Um, twist everything. And right up until the last minute, Jacqui is responding to her staff's unique needs. Maybe we need a cotton and thread and fix it. 'Without my girls, I wouldn't have a club.' Oh, I'd have a club, but not a very interesting club ` just a nightclub. Oh, I'd have a club, but not a very interesting club ` just a nightclub. Are you exploiting the girls? If people make the choice to wanna do this industry, it's their choice, and nobody else's. I think that I'm here to give them a safe environment to work in. Jacqui seems acutely aware that while the girls give the customers that special something, it's her role to give them special treatment. Women in general are needy. Um, they want, you know, that something special. She's really good at, like, getting you to do what she wants. You don't even realise. I call it her whipped-cream voice ` like, it goes down really well. She's got this, sort of, creamy thing. She makes you feel good about yourself and you realise at the end of it you just got whipped. Like she... (LAUGHS) But I really respect her for that. (LAUGHS) Bambi's Jacqui's head girl. I know that some people still think that we're all just dirty crack-whores, but... I honestly couldn't give a fuck, and, yeah, they couldn't be more wrong. (LAUGHS) She is beautiful; she is an amazing entertainer; she's sensual; um, she's very erotic. The fantastic Bambi Wild! CHEERING, WHISTLING # Never know how much I love you. # Never know how much I care... Bambi's been perfecting her tease since she was 18. What we do is artistic, and it's beautiful to watch, and it's natural for people to want to see that. # ...when you kiss me, fever when you hold me tight... # It's not easy money; it's quick money when you make it. It's not easy money; it's quick money when you make it. Is it still a $3000-a-week job? It can be, yep. I would never have gotten into it if it wasn't well paid. 'FEVER' CONTINUES CHEERING I was, from a young age, determined to make a lot of money. I didn't want to live in my little South Auckland town,... um, with people that weren't motivated to go anywhere. You could say Jacqui was destined for the adult-entertainment industry. I've been around dancers since I was 10 years old, and I've watched how the industry's evolved into what it is now. In her teens she managed her father's strippers; later, her sister's brothel. Now Jacqui's in charge of four establishments across the country. I got asked the other day why am I working so hard, and I couldn't give them an answer. I just have had it drummed in my head from when I was young that I wanted to work hard, and I wanted money. The long hours have afforded Jacqui and her husband a certain lifestyle, certain luxuries. This sprawling Christchurch property is her sanctuary... Somewhere to relax and unwind... ...and where family is foremost. Come on, Kanie, kick the ball. Playing auntie provides her a bit of time out. I'm quite normal; I just have a strip club. (LAUGHS) Jacqui met husband James Samson through her sister. He was a big player in the Christchurch strip scene, named in court as the man behind a turf war, and he's a convicted P cook. All I can say is, like, he's a good person and he was shafted, and I wouldn't believe everything you read in the paper. and I wouldn't believe everything you read in the paper. Do you trust him? Definitely. I wouldn't have a relationship if I didn't trust him, so... Are you convinced he's telling the truth? Yep, definitely. He's an open book to me. It's all history, according to Jacqui. She's on a mission to freshen up an industry associated with sleaze. You have, you know, five-star service; you know, the club is beautiful; the girls are amazing; they're not on drugs. Has Jacqui helped to clean up the strip scene? Without a doubt, yeah. She has, and she's, um, become a role model, I think, for, um,... young women in the industry. Coming up ` we're with Jacqui as she prepares to reopen her Christchurch club. But what's on the third floor? Strippers aren't... I was about to say whores ` that's not very nice. Strippers aren't prostitutes ` we don't sleep with people. I've been called a pimp before, but I'm not a pimp. (LAUGHS) 1 Welcome back. So, we've met the women making careers and big incomes by perfecting the art of tease. Now, as Jacqui prepares to reopen her Christchurch club, she's on the hunt for fresh faces. Calendar Girls in Armagh St Christchurch is Jacqui's baby. What time is your training? 12? I know when I tell some of my friends, you know, I've just done 20 hours, they don't believe me. You could do the chandeliers. It was just three months into operation, and literally everything around this adult playground collapsed. A year on, and the red zone's operational. I'm looking for somebody that, um, looks like a million dollars all the time. Calendar Girls is once again preparing for business. But I looked through all the website and I know that it's, like, classy. When somebody starts with me, I have, like, a booklet, and it explains about your first night on stage, what to expect, how to be a good hustler, um, your appearance, everything. Tell me a little bit about you. Tell me a little bit about you. I'm a bubbly person, fun to work with. Yes. Yes. I'm anything you want me to be. And you don't want to be a dancer? And you don't want to be a dancer? No, no, not with this arse. I think teaching a girl how to, you know, get on and off the stage,... Your outside leg will end up at the front like that. ...how to engage with the customer is so key. Your legs will be in this position. What makes a good stripper? > What makes a good stripper? > Spunk, charm, personality, sex appeal. Yeah. Easy. ROCK MUSIC There's four floors of entertainment. The girl is in here. This is Corporate Affairs, and this is a high-end, um, escort agency. This will be the only, uh, escort agency we will do within the company throughout NZ. I mean, I've been called a pimp before, but I'm not a pimp. (LAUGHS) To Jacqui, dancing and prostitution are poles apart. I know dancers do not want to escort. And then escorts, they don't want to dance. They think, how would you get on stage and take your clothes off? And then other girls are, like, how would you lie on a bed and fuck? (LAUGHS) I would never have sex for money. Um, it would ruin sex for me. MUSIC CONTINUES Executive to exclusive, erotic to exotic. I mean, I couldn't go there, myself. You know, I mean, we get offered it all the time, constantly offered. Because I think men in general kinda can't comprehend it in their thick skulls. They think that all strippers are prostitutes. (LAUGHS) I came home last night starving. Thought I'd chop a piece of salami cos I was hungry and wanted some meat. (LAUGHS) I ate it with the plastic on. I wondered why it was so chewy! Duh. Duh. You have to take the plastic off. Nothing Syren does is tame. She is a fearsome X-rated performer,... Guys, you know, they're, like, all macho, you know, 'Yeah, I can take it,' then you hit them, and they're, like, 'Holy fucking hell', and then they'll start trying to run away. You hit them, chase them, they curl up in the foetal position, you're hovering over them ` it sounds really bad ` hover over them, and you whip them, whip the shit out of them, and they're like girls on the floor, going, 'Argh! Where's my mummy?' ...whips and dildos all part of the gig. Well, my first show was a two-girl double-ended show. Your first ever? Your first ever? The first strip show I ever did in my life. That is full on. It's the most full-on show you can do is the two-girl toy show, and I was absolutely... I was like this, but now, nah. I can't wait to get out there and do it. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. And one, two, three... Bambi works every night. ...four. You do the head roll the same way that you roll over. I look after the girls sort of on a nightly basis. Instead of landing over here, I notice you're leaning back... 'Also I train all of the new girls, 'I do pole lessons at every level.' At Calendar Girls they're all really wonderful, unique people, and as individuals they're beautiful. As a group, they can be... very taxing. (LAUGHS) CHEERING The 27-year-old loves the rush of being centre stage. Before I started dancing, you know, it was me and my friends getting up on tables and dirty dancing with each other and that kind of thing. Now that I'm a dancer, um, I get that attention, I get it out of my system. Do you respect the men you dance for? Absolutely. If I didn't like the men that I dance for, I couldn't do the job. Are the lap dances still the same price? Are the lap dances still the same price? Yep, the same price. There are a number of rules in Jacqui's clubs. I have a strictly-no-drug policy. Um, I have no tolerance for it at all. But drinking ` I mean, you need a couple of drinks sometimes to, sort of, get in the vibe of things. I don't want drunk girls, though. If you're drunk, it's not classy, and it's just not tasteful for... for me. The girls aren't allowed to talk about their takings or about... Politics and religion. (LAUGHS) Um, I am quite strict about that. Cos it just causes an argument all the time. No matter what your view is, somebody doesn't agree with you. And despite wide-held beliefs, here, there are no hidden extras. They can't have sex or give any sort of sexual favour in their private-dance room. Strippers aren't... I was about to say whores ` that's not very nice. Strippers aren't prostitutes ` we don't sleep with people. We are entertainers to entertain, for your stag do, for your boys' night, something fun to look at, to watch, and that is it. So no. And ew, and the creepy phone calls that I have had, and the creepy texts saying that people are in love with you, wanna marry you. And they just wanna sleep with you, and do all these horrible things to you, I was, like, 'Ew! 'I think I'll vomit in my mouth.' (LAUGHS) ROCK MUSIC Love stag season, it's just the best, cos you're so busy. Like, Saturday nights are... you're pumping out eight, 10, 12 strippergrams. You know, so you're going, like, all night, all day ` you're absolutely exhausted. MUSIC CONTINUES She's paid to look smoking hot, to bring a fantasy into the realm of reality. # I've got a fist full of whiskey. The bottle just bit me... # I turn up, if I like you, cool; if I don't, it doesn't really worry me, you know what I mean? It's not... I'm not there to build a friendship; you know, I'm just there to do my job, my 15 minutes and see you later. (LAUGHS) I think I'm gonna get married next, eh? Reactions can be mixed. 'Show us your growler' would be something really nice to say, what they say. (LAUGHS) But it's kinda like sometimes that they think they're gynaecologists, so they want a real... full-on... get amongst it. Like, you know, 'Show us your pussy, yeah, show us your C-U-N-T, yeah.' But they want you to sit on their face with a microscope, pretty much, so they can have a good old gawk. (LAUGHS) There's a weird intimacy between the dancers and their clients, making it tough on relationships. I actually have a rule where I don't date anybody I meet at a, um, stag or thing, however... (LAUGHS) if you think about how many stag dos that is over 10 years, it's a hell of a lot. And my last long-term partners, both of them, I actually did meet at stag shows, both of them, actually. Is your boyfriend OK with you stripping? The thing with our relationship is it's all about trust. Like,... um, I never... would do anything at work that I wouldn't be prepare to tell him about it and that he wouldn't be OK with. Would you ever stop for him? You can't stop for anybody else ` you can only stop when you're ready. You could say entertaining is one of the toughest sales jobs out there. Yes, men, we've all got cellulite as well, just so you know. (LAUGHS) Cos sometimes I think they expect a supermodel to come walking through the door, or supermodels at strip clubs, you know? Like, what the fuck do you want, mate? Look at you, you fat prick, you know what I mean? (LAUGHS) You're know, expecting, I don't know, Cindy Crawford to come strolling through the door and do a strip show, you know what I mean? Ain't gonna happen. (LAUGHS) And they're in fucking Stubbies and jandals. Jesus. Seriously. (LAUGHS) ELECTRONIC MUSIC I so thought I'd be done by now, but, um, I'm not, and I'm still liking it, so, um,... you know, um,... I want to continue to be in the industry, um, for years and years to come, and, um, it's what the head girl, house-mum role is helping me with. ...five, six, seven, eight. So, like many others, you want to move into management? So, like many others, you want to move into management? Yeah. (LAUGHS) Totally. So, yeah. I love my job. It's` It` I wouldn't wanna change it at all. Could you imagine sitting in an office? Could you imagine sitting in an office? I think I'd hang myself. (LAUGHS) MUSIC CONTINUES Whatever you think of it, you'd have to agree it is a life less ordinary. It's a good business. (LAUGHS) I love my business. I love the industry. Are you fulfilling your goal to be rich? Are you fulfilling your goal to be rich? Um, yeah, I suppose. (LAUGHS) # I like that. # All right. Next on 20/20, the confessions of a not-so-everyday working mum. Her on-screen persona was exploding, starring in six films a year for the MGM of porn, Vivid Entertainment. Savanna Samson! So proud and yet so burdened. Most of the family's pretty much ashamed of what I do, and so thank you for this support. And now with a son old enough to know the truth, what will he think of his mom? I used to waste time looking for stains. Now I use one lid of Having children changes your life. With my little boys, my hands are full. I don't have a lot of time in my day, and I can't spend it washing clothes. I used to waste time looking for stains. Now I use one lid of Vanish NapiSan. Its Oxi power lift formula uses thousands of active oxygen bubbles to lift even the most difficult of stains,... giving me more time for the things I love. (GIGGLES) Vanish. 1 Welcome back. In the age of the internet, it seems sexualised images are everywhere, and it's harder and harder to protect children from X-rated material. Natalie Oliveros is more concerned than most, as she's trying to protect her 10-year-old son from images of herself. Natalie leads a rather controversial double life ` at work, she's known as Savanna Samson. Tonight we meet this regular mum with an irregular job. She cooks breakfast for her 10-year-old,... Come on, honey. We have to go. ...takes him to school every morning,... Mwah. I love you. Bye. > I love you. Bye. > Bye. ...cuts his hair. But Natalie Oliveros is not your typical working mom. You're a porn star. You're a porn star. I'm a porn star, yes. Um, and I don't mind that title. Porn has given me... everything that I've ever wanted. PHOTOGRAPHERS: Savanna! This mega porn star must confess growing up in a close-knit Catholic family, she really wanted to be a nun. I was always so close to God. I stayed a couple of weeks at the convent, but I didn't become a nun, because I wanted to have sex. (CHUCKLES) Yes, you did. And so I didn't. And I said, 'If nuns can't have sex, well, I can't be a nun. True enough, but Natalie had no shortage of other dreams, according her sister Heather. She had big dreams of... becoming a movie star; Miss America; ballerina. At just 17, Natalie moved from upstate New York to the Big Apple to pursue a career in ballet. And she would wind up dancing, just not at Lincoln Center. She would wind up across town at a place that's almost as well known ` a strip club called Scores. It was there that I was surrounded by people with the same kind of fantasies that I had. What happens to men when they come into the zone? What happens to men when they come into the zone? Men just fall in love with her... easily. And women too ` she's... people are just drawn to her. One customer was drawn to her, big time. You met your future husband when you were dancing in the club? You met your future husband when you were dancing in the club? Right. But in an odd twist, her walk down the aisle would lead straight to the world of porn. This man wanted as, a wedding present, for me to make an... a porno. Now, hold on a second. So you're going to get married, and he says, 'As a wedding present, I want you to make a porn film'? That's what he says? I think he used the word 'adult film'. I think he used the word 'adult film'. Whatever. Yeah. (LAUGHS) Yeah. (LAUGHS) And that was a good idea? Yeah. (LAUGHS) And that was a good idea? No. No, I was appalled at the idea. Appalled, but intrigued. I figured I could make this one and only movie and no one will ever hear about it. But then, that first time in front of the camera, Natalie discovered something profound about herself. For me, it's easier to... expose my body... and to be a fantasy than for someone to get into my head and really, um... then I'd become very vulnerable. You say you caught porn fever after that. What is porn fever? I have the bug. I, you know, can't wait to do it again. And so Natalie became a porn star named Savanna Samson. What I did was very real. There's no anything in my life except this person that I'm with, and then that's probably why I rose so quickly in the industry. And sometimes, Savanna wasn't just acting. So there are many romances for you? Yeah, many romances. I... I... The worst for me is to actually have an orgasm ` can I say orgasm on this? Sure, you just did. Keep going. She makes it sound so fun, but when pressed, confesses to a much more painful reality. What about when there's six people in the scene? I'm usually heavily medicated in those situations. I'm usually heavily medicated in those situations. Ah. Yeah. Yeah. Now the covers get pulled off. You would put yourself in altered state in order to handle a situation like that? Look, you know, it is what it is. I would have a conversation with myself in the mirror and say, 'Look, you gotta do this thing.' Why not, 'I'm gonna leave this. I don't need it. I'm smart; I'll do something else'? I'm a people-pleaser ` I said I'd do this thing, so I'm gonna do it. This was a way for me to be the star of my own movies and... and live that sort of, um,... life. Her on-screen persona was exploding, starring in six films a year for the MGM of porn, Vivid Entertainment. But just as a star was born, so was a son. What was your thought process in terms of, 'Is this right for me now, because now I have him, now I've got this little angel'? I knew that I... I wouldn't be in front of the camera forever. And... I guess maybe deep down, I knew I was buying time before I would ever have to even deal with the situation. She kept the details of her career secret from her son and her parents. I'm just an entertainer, and this is how I choose to entertain, and... And morally speaking, that's what's confusing about me, is that I do have morals, and yet it's, uh, contradictory, I guess, by the industry that I'm in. At the Adult Video News Awards ` kind of like the Oscars of porn ` her film the new Devil In Miss Jones was nominated in nine categories. I won Best Actress and Best Girl-Girl Scene, Best Group Scene, and a lot of different things. Savanna Samson. Savanna Samson. CHEERING So proud and yet so burdened. Most of my family's pretty much ashamed of what I do, and so thank you for this support. And now, with a son old enough to know the truth, what will he think of his mom? At some point, you will have to make a confession to your son. > Mm. Mm. Everything, A to Z. > How will you`? > How will you`? > Oh, I won't say everything, A to Z. There's something to be said for giving too much information too soon. Next up, Natalie does her best to protect her son from hurtful material on the net, but does he already know her secret? I've been trying to knock down all the smut and all the nudity when you Google me that comes up. It's not just about me, but it's about Luchino and his friends, and I would be devastated if he saw this stuff on the internet. But it may be unavoidable ` even at home, her awards for Group Sex and Best All-Girl Sex are right there for anyone to see. The Kathmandu Winter Sale is now on, with up to 60% off a massive range. Kathmandu is famous for fleece, and during our Winter Sale, you get $100 off selected styles to keep you warm outdoors. Don't miss the Kathmandu Winter Sale ` now on. Live the dream. 1 OK. So, when is the right time to tell a 10-year-old that his mother is a porn star? In part two of our story, mum's confession ` Natalie Oliveros wrestles with this question and plans a life away from the adult-film industry. So what's next for Savanna Samson? It has been a whirlwind decade for Savanna Samson. In her public persona, she's a mega porn star with mainstream appeal. Action. Action. How will I ever thank you? In her private life, her real name is Natalie Oliveros,... now a single mother whose true passion is raising her little boy,... My baby. ...a remarkable son,... I think my mom's more cool than, like, other moms. ...10-year-old Luchino. He's smart,... Far exceeding grade standard, Luchino! ...sophisticated... I can't just make him peanut butter and jelly ` that's not it. ...and sweet. I love you. > I love you. > I love you more. What are the three biggest things your mom's taught you so far? To be loving, to try your best at stuff. If you put your mind to it, you can do anything you want. Important life lessons from a porn star. A paradox to be sure, but to see Savanna as a mom is to see someone who's kind of a prude. Do you watch South Park? Do you watch South Park? Mm-hm. I hear him laughing. I'm, like, 'What are you watching?' He shuts it off. No, I don't! No, I don't! It's really not for kids, South Park. But it's animated. But it's animated. I know. That's the only thing about it, though. (CHUCKLES) It's dirty. Where's those shears? Where's those shears? Oh my gosh, Mom! Natalie is now anxious about protecting Luchino from a sex-saturated culture. Can I be in peace now? She confesses she's never even really talked to him about her career... Hey, honey. ...or even about the birds and the bees. How was school? Now she thinks she's run out of time. They talked about puberty. They talked about puberty. They talked about puberty in school? They talked about puberty. They talked about puberty in school? Yeah. So what did they say about puberty? So what did they say about puberty? I don't know, they just tell us you're gonna change and whatnot. So was it just about puberty, or did they touch on sex and things like that? Oh, yeah, they talked about that. Oh, yeah, they talked about that. They did? Concerned, Natalie meets up with moms from her son's school. It would have been nice if they would have told the parents that they planned to have this conversation with the kids. There's a place for sex ed in the schools, 100%, but let's keep the topic age-appropriate. Natalie is worried about what her son is learning at school. But clearly, her own industry might be a bigger threat. One study reports 90% of kids from 8 to 16 have watched porn online ` a notion that, in no small measure of irony, bothers Luchino's mom. I've been trying to knock down all the smut and all the nudity when you Google me that comes up. It's not just about me, but it's about Luchino and his friends, and I will be devastated if he saw this stuff on the internet. But it may be unavoidable. Even at home, her awards for Group Sex and Best All-Girl Sex are right there for anyone to see. You've set him up with a potential predicament here, right? I would hate that my choices would damage him in any way, of course. You've raised a really strong child. Luckily, she's got a strong sisterhood of support in the moms at school. As long as you're a good person and a good mom, that's the takeaway message is. And what you choose to do with your life is fine. You know, you look at somebody like a Bernie Madoff ` what I'm saying is Natalie is not doing anything that these hedge-fund guys aren't doing. Natalie certainly understands the controversy that comes with porn. She's more concerned about talking to her son about what she now fears he may already know. I want him to open up, cos I wanna know what is going on in that little brain of his. (CHUCKLES) I think that you understand a lot more than I'm aware of. Because you always, you know, make references, but in an innocent way. You know we used to often say things, like make jokes and stuff about Savanna Samson and everything? We do? Obviously, this is a discussion Natalie wants to have in private. Well, we can talk about that another time. Well, we can talk about that another time. Yeah. Right now, you're all my little scrunchy baby. Right now, you're all my little scrunchy baby. I love you a ton. A ringing endorsement of Mom, a less resounding acknowledgement of her career. I don't think he knows as much as we think he knows. When I'm with him, he turns into a little baby. He wants to cuddle and be a little boy. So to talk about things of adult nature is just... And perhaps that gives us a little insight into why Natalie is now moving in a new direction. I have to go forth as a businesswoman and not use my body to get what I want. So... (CHUCKLES) that's always a challenge for me. Some of my grapes have grown in this vineyard here. So now she's selling something new that also tickles the senses ` wine. Natalie has partnered with a vintner in Tuscany, bottling wine under the label Savanna Samson. A lot of times when I first launch with the Savanna line, it was like, 'Ha, ha, right (!)' You know, 'Porn-star wine ` oh, give me a break.' But Natalie is having the last laugh. Her first wine, Sogno Uno, received a gold star from a big-time wine expert. Suddenly, with a 91 rating from Robert Parker, it was, like, well, wait a second. Don't knock it till you try it. Are you leaving the business in part because you don't want Luchino to have to say, 'My mom's a porn star?' I knew it was gonna come to a point where it's time for me to step away from being in front of the camera. Was it redemption for you? Did you feel that? I felt proud to give to my parents something that they can tell their friends, and maybe that's for myself too. and maybe that's for myself too. And for your little boy. Definitely for him. My life means nothing without him, and so that everything that I've done in my life, all the choices I've made, will one day benefit him, instead of being a shameful thing for him. All righty. Next up, Emma Keeling talks to ER star Parminder Nagra about her new role in Alcatraz, a show from those kooky creators of Lost. < Do you know what's going on? < Do you know what's going on? I just about know what's going on ` enough. Um, but, you know, it's based on a bunch of prisoners that disappear in 1963 and begin to turn up in present time, and we have a team of investigators who are trying to figure out what is going on, and with that, they sort of have their own agendas and, you know, ways of dealing with it. They're coming back to our streets, and no one's gonna be able to find them, because they don't exist. # Rendezvous. # Make any moment magic with an enchanting boost of fragrance. 1 Welcome back. If you love TV shows that keep you guessing, Alcatraz could be the one for you. As the title suggests, it's based around the famous American prison, and in fact stars our very own Sam Neil. The man who produced Lost, JJ Abrams, is in charge, so, you know, prepare to be kept guessing. A confused Emma Keeling spoke to confused stars Jorge Garcia and Parminder Nagra. A warning here ` this story may leave you with more questions than answers. Here we go again. MAN: On March 21st 1963, Alcatraz officially closed due to rising costs and decrepit facilities. All the prisoners were transferred off the island, only that's not what happened. Well, another JJ Abrams story, so complicated, twisting, what's going on? Do you know what's going on? Do you know what's going on? I just about know what's going on ` enough. Um, but, you know, it's based on a bunch of prisoners that disappear in 1963 and begin to turn up in the present time, and we have a team of investigators who are trying to figure out what is going on, and with that, they sort of have their own agendas and, you know, ways of dealing with it. Meet Jack Sylvain, 85 years young. Parminder Nagra plays Dr Lucy Banerjee, the right-hand woman to FBI agent Emerson Hauser, played by Sam Neill. Local PD found a uniform at the crime scene ` Alcatraz issue. The Kiwi actor and wine-maker has been playing host to his castmates. Has he been giving you lots of his wine? Do you know what, I did try his wine, uh, and it's very delicious. He was sort of holding out for a little while, though, and then, you know, we had, like, a pot-luck thing and he brought it over and, um, delicious. The show's shot in Vancouver, nothing like Hawaii, where Jorge Garcia filmed TV show Lost, which wrapped up in 2010. Run! I get the feeling Jorge's a bit over it. Have you had a lot of feedback from fans about the final of Lost, and just were they happy or were they`? I've had a lot of feedback. It's definitely a finale that split a lot of people. And, um,... it's so funny how many people ask me what I thought of the ending. Like I would say anything other than how much I loved the ending, because at the end, I ran the island, like, I got it at the end. Right. Got it. Even if you didn't like the ending, that's your problem. You don't need to keep telling me. Moving on... Have you always been interested in Alcatraz's history? Alcatraz always has like this kind of... this cool factor, and I did have, like, my touristy Property Of Alcatraz, like, little trinkety things that you buy in, like, a gift shop. Why the interest in Jack Sylvain? Jorge is Dr Diego Soto. With a PhD in criminal justice, he's also written a book about Alcatraz and helps Detective Rebecca Madsen track down prisoners. You're the expert ` what do you think happened? You're the expert ` what do you think happened? I don't know. Jorge's become a deep thinker. There's this writer who kinda puts it as the physics of the impossible. You know, it's kind of like see these really, you know, crazy premises and seeing where some of these are based on actual theories... Did he say 'physics'? The ideas of alternate universes and travelling through time and all this kind of stuff. His hair is so curly. You know, and just kind of, like, so much other kind of, like, time relative to other things, it just starts getting so heady and crazy that, > um, I keep having to put the book down and walking away and reading something lighter, so it's... (YAWNS) I'm so lost. Like, I'll try and, like, you know, tell my girlfriend, so I'm, like, going, 'But what if it's, like...? So here's how I've been thinking dimensionally, 'there could be this other dimension. Let me draw a picture.' And by then, she's already not interested any more. I brought you your change... Alcatraz will also keep you guessing. Why do the prisoners come back? For good or evil? It's a show for grown-ups who like puzzles. Now, your son's young, so he won't be watching this show any time soon? No, I was on something, and I came out with, like, blood all over my face, and, um, I just thought, 'I cannot go downstairs and see him like this. 'I have to get it all cleaned off and, you know, be appropriate as a mother.' It was the first time I'd ever thought about it. It was the first time I'd ever thought about it. So what does he think of your job? He doesn't know yet. He doesn't know what I do. He just thinks, 'Mum leaves looking nice...' Yeah. Or not so nice, and then some people do something to her, and then she comes out looking all right. You're quite resourceful, Detective Madsen ` lifting the photo from the crime scene was not only bold, but effective. I'll need that back. Now, you get to keep your British accent for this. Now, you get to keep your British accent for this. I do, again. (LAUGHS) Are you really terrible at an American accent? What's going on? I don't know what it is. I must be the luckiest person in the world, and, um, I came into the audition for this show, and I'd prepared this American` I had a really really worked hard on American accent, and they said before you start, we want you to know you don't have to do the accent. I was, like, 'Really?' And then it took me a little time to just sort of go, 'OK. I need to do it in an English accent.' I suddenly sort of forgot. You'll probably go back to England and they'll ask you do an American accent. On an English show! That'd be, like, that's really bad. That'd be, like, that's really bad. Just to test you. This is punishment for spending so much time over here. Don't jinx it for me. It's, like, my little niche. (LAUGHS) I'm still confused about Alcatraz. Jack Sylvain was just the beginning. But obviously, Parminder has been told not to say too much or they'll lock her in a room with Jorge and his physics book. Quite a dramatic show. Any romance at all or no time cos you're chasing so many prisoners? We shall see. I can't give too much away. Not you and Sam, surely? Office romance? Not you and Sam, surely? Office romance? No, no, but I've... That's all I'm gonna say. That's all I'm gonna say. That's it? That's it. JJ Abrams ` what do you want me to say? (LAUGHS) The worst criminals this country has ever known are coming back. They're coming back to our streets, and no one's gonna be able to find them, because they don't exist. Genius, Emma. If you want to see any of tonight's stories again, head to our website. It's tvnz.co.nz/20-20 You might wanna have a look at that one again. You can also email us at 20-20@tvnz.co.nz or go to our Facebook page ` we're at 20/20 NZ ` and let us know your thoughts on tonight's show. Thanks for all your feedback over the past week. Do let us know if you've got a story to tell ` we love hearing your ideas. Well, that's our show for tonight. 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