ONE NEWS CAPTIONS BY RICHARD EDMUNDS, JESSICA BOELL AND DESNEY SHAW. CAPTIONS WERE MADE POSSIBLE WITH FUNDING FROM NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT TVNZ ACCESS SERVICES 2013 DUE TO THE LIVE NATURE OF SEVEN SHARP, WE APOLOGISE FOR THE LACK OF CAPTIONS FOR SOME ITEMS. HI. WELCOME TO SEVEN SHARP. TONIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEX, BABY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU AND ME. IN FACT, THE ONLINE STUFF. WE LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT INTERNET PORN IS DOING TO KIWI RELATIONSHIPS, AND HOW HARMFUL COULD IT BE TO TEENAGERS? NO ONE'S REALLY THOUGHT OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF THIS. YES, ON A DAY WHEN CHINA HAS CLOSED DOWN HUNDREDS OF WEBSITES WITH SEXUAL CONTENT, I TALK TO AN EXPERT ABOUT SOME LESS DRAMATIC APPROACHES TO THIS PROBLEM. THE NZER OF THE YEAR AWARDS ARE TONIGHT, AND WE'RE TALKING TO ONE OF THE LEADING CONTENDERS. HE'S A MAGNET MAGNATE. HE DRIVES THE TRACTOR AT SPEEDWAY, BUT HE'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT HE MAKES IN AN UNASSUMING BUILDING IN MT WELLINGTON. BUT FIRST, IN NEWS TODAY ` THE HEART FOUNDATION HAS TOLD LOW-INCOME FAMILIES THEY SHOULD BE PUTTING HEALTHY FOOD IN THEIR CHILDREN'S LUNCHES ` THINGS LIKE PITA BREAD AND CHICKPEAS. I'VE MET PEOPLE WHO EAT THOSE THINGS FOR LUNCH. YES, THEY ARE HEALTHY, BUT THEY'RE ALSO QUITE DREARY. I THINK THOSE ON A LIMITED BUDGET ARE PROBABLY NOT REACHING FOR A $5 POTTLE OF HUMMUS AT THE SUPERMARKET. ALSO, COME ON, HEART FOUNDATION, WHAT'S WRONG WITH A SANDWICH? NOW, VODAFONE ANNOUNCED ITS NEW 4G NETWORK IN AUCKLAND TODAY. IT SAYS 4G IS 10 TIMES FASTER THAN 3G. VODAFONE SAYS THE NETWORK IS SO FAST, IT COULD DOWNLOAD A BOOK IN LESS THAN ONE SECOND. WHEN ASKED TO COMMENT, A VODAFONE CUSTOMER SAID 'WHAT IS BOOK?' IT'S THURSDAY NIGHT. WELCOME TO SEVEN SHARP. ADDICTION'S A BUZZWORD WHICH IS THROWN AROUND A LOT THESE DAYS, AND CHANCES ARE YOU ALL KNOW OF SOMEONE WHOSE LIFE HAS BEEN AFFECTED BY SOME SORT OF ADDICTIVE HABIT. BUT AS I FOUND OUT, THERE'S AN ADDICTION THAT JUST DOESN'T GET TALKED ABOUT AS MUCH AS IT SHOULD, AND IT'S CAUSING SOME SURPRISING DAMAGE. JUST A WARNING ` ALI'S STORY IS NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN. BUT IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY BOYS, IT'S A MUST WATCH FOR YOU. FUNKY MUSIC WE'VE ALL TRIED TO KICK A HABIT. IT'S HARD. YOU GET THAT IMPULSE, THAT CRAVING. IT'S EVEN HARDER WHEN TEMPTATION IS EVERYWHERE. IT'S A BATTLE OF YOUR WILLPOWER, COS YOUR BRAIN IS SAYING, 'IT'S RIGHT THERE. JUST TAKE IT. TAKE IT. IT'S SO GOOD.' THE ADDICTION IN THIS CASE IS NOT FOOD ` IT'S INTERNET PORNOGRAPHY, WHICH IS A REALLY TRICKY SUBJECT TO TALK ABOUT. BUT IT'S SHAPING UP AS A MAJOR ISSUE FOR ANY FAMILY WITH BOYS WHO HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET. NO ONE'S REALLY THOUGHT OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF THIS. BEN IS 27, OUTGOING, SUCCESSFUL. NO ONE WANTS TO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS AN ADDICT, RIGHT? BUT INTERNET PORN IS CONTROLLING HIS LIFE. PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN DRIVERS FOR ME WANTING TO ACTUALLY COME AND SPEAK IS I DIDN'T... IT NEVER CLICKED TO ME THAT IT WAS A PROBLEM. I JUST CONSIDERED IT NORMAL. IT'S BEEN NORMAL FOR BEN SINCE HE WAS 13, WHEN HIS PARENTS' COMPUTER BECAME A WINDOW TO ANOTHER WORLD. IT WAS INCREDIBLY EXCITING. LOADS OF JUST DIVERSITY, A NEVER-ENDING AMOUNT OF VARIETY ` IT JUST, YEAH, FELT REALLY GOOD. TURNS OUT BEN WAS JUST ONE OF A VAST MAJORITY IN HIS AGE GROUP. I WENT TO AN ALL-BOYS SCHOOL. IT WAS WEIRD IF YOU WEREN'T INTERESTED IN PORN. THE BIGGEST PORN CONSUMERS NOW ARE ADOLESCENT BOYS. THIS IS WHAT'S BEING WIRED INTO THEIR BRAINS AS WHAT THEY FIND SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE AND DESIRABLE. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD, BEN'S SEX LIFE WAS A BIT OF A LET-DOWN. MY FIRST SERIOUS GIRLFRIEND AT ABOUT THE AGE OF 18, AND WHEN IT CAME TIME TO GET SEXUAL, I COULDN'T GET IT UP. I LIVED WITH THIS OVERWHELMING FEELING OF INADEQUACY FOR YEARS. THERAPIST CAROLINE CRANSHAW IS SEEING INCREASING NUMBERS OF YOUNG MEN WITH ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION. THE FIRST THING I ASK THEM IS, 'SO, HOW MUCH PORN DO YOU WATCH?' AND I'VE YET TO HAVE A MAN THAT HAS THIS ISSUE THAT ISN'T COMPULSIVELY WATCHING PORN. SCIENCE BACKS HER THEORY UP, ALTHOUGH THE RESEARCH HASN'T BEEN EASY. WHEN THEY'VE TRIED TO FIND CONTROL GROUPS OF MEN THAT DON'T WATCH INTERNET PORN, THEY ACTUALLY CAN'T FIND ANY. SO WHAT DOES HAPPEN TO YOUR BRAIN WHEN YOU WATCH PORN? THE DOPAMINE REWARD PATHWAY LIGHTS UP ` THERE'S A PART OF THE BRAIN THAT FIRES UP WHEN WE DO PLEASURABLE THINGS. WHEN PEOPLE DEVELOP AN ADDICTION, THAT SYSTEM SORT OF GETS SENSITISED. AN OVERLOAD OF DOPAMINE PROGRESSIVELY WEAKENS THE NERVE SIGNALS THAT WOULD NORMALLY PRODUCE AN ERECTION. EVENTUALLY, THE ERECTION DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT INCREASINGLY EXTREME DOSES OF PORNOGRAPHY. MANY TRY TO TREAT IT WITH DRUGS LIKE VIAGRA. THOSE DRUGS DON'T WORK ON THE BRAIN CIRCUIT THAT THE PROBLEM'S ACTUALLY BEEN CAUSED BY ` THEY'RE WORKING ON THE BLOOD FLOW. AND IT CAN HAVE A DRAMATIC EFFECT ON HOW MEN APPROACH RELATIONSHIPS. THEY CAN GET IT UP WITH PORN, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN, OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TASTE THEY HAVE, IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. AND THEIR BRAIN'S, LIKE, 'SORRY, THAT'S JUST NOT STIMULATING ENOUGH.' IT NOT ONLY AFFECTS THEM, BUT IT'S AFFECTING THE WOMAN THAT THEY'RE WITH, BECAUSE I THINK THE WOMEN THAT THEY'RE WITH ARE THINKING, 'OH, WELL, MAYBE HE'S NOT ATTRACTED TO ME.' AND THEY TAKE IT ON BOARD. THIS IS PROBABLY THE HARDEST PART OF IT FOR ME NOW IS I ENDED UP OBJECTIFYING WOMEN IN QUITE A DIRTY WAY. NOW I'VE GOT THESE AMAZING FEMALE FRIENDS IN MY LIFE, WHO ARE JUST INCREDIBLE AND I LOVE THEM TO BITS AND THEY'RE AMAZING, AND I'M SO GUTTED THAT I MISSED OUT ON ALL THOSE YEARS OF NOT HAVING THAT. JUST GONNA TAKE YOUR WRIST THAT'S ON THIS LEG. TO HEAL, BEN IS REBOOTING HIS BRAIN WITH A TOUGH 60-DAY PORNOGRAPHY FAST. THERE WERE TIMES WHERE I LITERALLY FELT LIKE I WAS GOING THROUGH WHAT I'D SEEN ON A MOVIE AS A DRUG WITHDRAWAL. AND ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT BEEN EASY, THE THERAPY IS WORKING. THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN ENORMOUS AND PHENOMENAL. I'M REALLY REALLY STOKED. I ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE A DIFFERENT PERSON. IT'S LIKE BEING GIVEN MY LIFE BACK. THANK YOU, BEN ` YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE ` FOR BEING BRAVE ENOUGH TO FRONT FOR THIS IMPORTANT STORY. OF COURSE, WE CHANGED BOTH HIS NAME AND HIS VOICE TO AVOID IDENTIFYING HIM. JOINING US NOW IS DR SEAN SULLIVAN, A PSYCHOLOGIST WHO SPECIALISES IN ADDICTION. AT WHAT POINT IS SOMEONE WHO WATCHES PORN CONSIDERED AN ADDICT? We heard Sean's case, but I imagine it varies a lot. Someone that keeps watching, gets himself in more trouble, tries to stop, and can't. People will try to stop the different stages. It depends whether not they are married, have children. UNLIKE BOOZE OR DRUGS OR FOOD ADDICTION, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY HIDDEN, SO PRESUMABLY CAN GO ON FOR A LONG TIME. It's hard to notice if someone has a pornography addiction, because there are no great changes. It's when they start pulling away from people, not being able to maintain relationships. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM THE MEN WHO YOU SPEAK TO WITH PORN ADDICTION? People start watching pornography under stress. The more stress they get, that a cycle. They get lax in watching it. They forget about people walking past that will notice it. We heard About the 60 day abstaining plan. What's your thoughts on something like that? What I'd be concerned about is that people that failed to stay abstinent for 60 days might see themselves as a failure. If they have a relapse, they might think it's not worth doing. Try it for a day, two days. Try for longer. We're talking about Internet pornography here. ARE WOMEN AFFECTED BY THIS AS WELL? SEAN, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU COME IN VIA FACEBOOK. We've got a question from Katie. Do you consider it cheating? When it comes down to it, you're looking at other women. They extrapolate that. There's been a fair bit of humour on Facebook. It's a length of time, and it's what you're looking at for a start. The majority of the population would say there's nothing wrong with that. When it gets more extreme, it's worse. With its two or three hours, it's a real problem. A lot of people have been asking for tips for websites; I've said it's not your job. IF YOU'RE A PARENT, CHANCES ARE YOU'RE A BIT FREAKED OUT, JUST LIKE I CERTAINLY WAS, AND WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO TO PROTECT YOUR TEENAGER OR ADOLESCENT. THE EASIEST PLACE TO FIND HELP IS AT NETSAFE.ORG.NZ AND USE THE KEYWORD 'FILTER.' AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT UNUSUAL SEXUALISED BEHAVIOUR BEING SHOWN BY AN ADOLESCENT OR TEENAGER, HAVE A LOOK AT SAFENETWORK.ORG.NZ IT HAS A YOUTH AND ADOLESCENT SERVICE THAT DEALS WITH EXACTLY THAT. AFTER THE BREAK ` YOU WON'T KNOW HIM, BUT YOU'LL KNOW HIS WORK. WHY IS THIS MAN TURNING OVER AROUND $100M A YEAR, YET STILL HAPPY TO GO AROUND WESTERN SPRINGS ON A TRACTOR? AND WHAT DID YOU WANT TO BE WHEN YOU WERE 10? TIMES HAVE CHANGED. WE'LL TELL YOU JUST HOW MUCH. WHO DOESN'T LOVE A KIWI SUCCESS STORY? WELL, THIS ONE WILL ASTOUND YOU. BILL BUCKLEY IS A HIGH-SCHOOL DROPOUT. BUT WITHOUT HIM, YOU WOULDN'T BE USING AN IPHONE, IPAD, OR EVEN WATCHING US ON YOUR BIG, FLASH FLAT SCREEN. MICHAEL HOLLAND TAKES A STROLL WITH BILL THROUGH HIS AUCKLAND FACTORY OF FORTUNE. FUNKY MUSIC HIS IS MORE AN AMBLE THAN A PURPOSEFUL STRIDE ` ARTHRITIS IN THE KNEES, HE RECKONS. HIS APPEARANCE IS AS UNDERSTATED AS WHAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH. I'VE JUST GOT A NAME AROUND THE WORLD FOR BEING THE GUY TO BUY MAGNETS OFF. YEAH. (LAUGHS) YEAH, WE LIKE MAKING MAGNETS. (LAUGHS) THAT 'LIKE' MAKING HIM THE GO-TO GUY FOR SOME OF THE WORLD'S BIGGEST ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURERS. WE'RE KNOCKING OVER, YOU KNOW, THE BEST PART OF $100M A YEAR. KNOCKING OVER? YEAH. (LAUGHS) FUNKY MUSIC I DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL IN THE FOURTH FORM. (LAUGHS) BILL BUCKLEY'S REMARKABLE INGENUITY IS NOW AT THE HEART OF MEGA CORPORATIONS, INCLUDING APPLE AND SAMSUNG. HIS PRECISION ELECTROMAGNETS ARE USED IN PREPARING SILICON CHIPS FOR SMARTPHONES AND FLAT-SCREEN TVS. I HAVE GOT 80% OF THE WORLD MARKET IN THE SILICON CHIP INDUSTRY. THAT'S FOR ALL THE COMPUTERS, CHIPS THAT ARE MADE ARE ALL DONE ON THESE MACHINES THAT I BUILD. IT'S LIKE RUBBING SHOULDERS WITH GIANTS, WORKING WITH BILL. VIRTUALLY ANYTHING THAT HAS A CHIP IN IT IN THIS WORLD HAS BEEN TOUCHED BY A BILL BUCKLEY MAGNET. OUR MACHINES PUT THE PIXELS IN THE SCREEN TO MAKE IT CHANGE COLOUR AND DO WHAT` DO WHATEVER YOU DO. DOES APPLE DRIVE A HARD BARGAIN? DO YOU HAVE TO SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YEAH, THEY ALL DRIVE A HARD BARGAIN. YEAH. YET STILL THEY COME, APPLE AND CO, TO THIS ROW OF NONDESCRIPT FACTORIES IN MT WELLINGTON, AUCKLAND. COULD YOU BE DOING IT CHEAPER IN CHINA, SAY? WELL, THE CHINESE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF GOES AT ME, AND I'VE TIPPED THEM OVER, SO IT'S STILL OUR GAME. A GENIUS. YES. HE CAN SORT OF SEE THE FUTURE, AND HE'S ALWAYS` HE'S ALWAYS 10 STEPS AHEAD OF EVERYONE ELSE. A SON'S PRIDE FOR THE SHUFFLING BLOKE IN SHORTS WHO'S NUDGING 70... NOT WITHOUT EMOTION. A LOT OF FAMILIES HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED THROUGH BUCKLEY SYSTEMS WORKING HERE, AND, YEAH, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MANY PEOPLE OWE THEIR EXISTENCE TO HIM. FUNKY MUSIC AT THE OTHER END OF THE BUILDING IS A SMALL SECTION OF A MUCH LARGER WORK IN PROGRESS DESTINED FOR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH IN TAIWAN. SO THAT'S A NORTH POLE AND THAT'S A SOUTH POLE. THE MAGNETS TOP AND BOTTOM DESIGNED TO DIRECT A BEAM OF PARTICLES MOVING AT CLOSE TO THE SPEED OF LIGHT. IT DOES 186,000 MILES A SECOND. IT'S A SUPER-SIZE MICROSCOPE, REALLY. IT CAN SEE ATOMS JOINING TOGETHER AND MOLECULES WORKING AND ALL THAT. WHAT'S IT WORTH? THE WHOLE CONTRACT? IT'S` IT'S GETTING ON FOR $30M. HOW DID YOU CELEBRATE THE DAY YOU LANDED THAT ONE? YEAH. YEAH, THE TAIWANESE SHOUTED ME OUT FOR DINNER. BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU HORRIBLY LOST IN ALL THIS HIGH-TECH LINGO, THERE'S A MORE DOWN-TO-EARTH SIDE TO OUR MAN BILL ` AT HIS HAPPIEST PLAYING IN THE DIRT AT AUCKLAND'S ICONIC WESTERN SPRINGS SPEEDWAY. IT'S FAST AND FURIOUS. IT'S THE NEAREST THING TO THE OLD GLADIATOR DAYS, I THINK. BUCKLEY SHELLING OUT MILLIONS TO KEEP THE SPRINGS VIABLE AS ITS FUTURE REMAINS IN DOUBT BEYOND NEXT YEAR AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MORE FOR NEXT MONTH'S WORLD SPEEDWAY GRAND PRIX. OH! DOWN! YOU'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR MONEY, DON'T YOU? AND IT'S` IF YOU'RE ENJOYING IT, THAT'S THE MAIN THING. LOOK AT YOU ` A HUGELY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN COVERED IN DIRT. YEAH, BUT WHY SHOULD A BUSINESSMAN NOT BE? (LAUGHS) WHAT A GOOD GUY, AND BILL'S ONE OF THREE KIWIS WHO'LL BE HONOURED AT THE NZER OF THE YEAR AWARDS LATER TONIGHT. AFTER THE BREAK ` WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD, WHAT DID YOU WANT TO BE WHEN YOU GREW UP? WE'LL FIND OUT WHY THE RUGBY FOOTBALL UNION IS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT TODAY'S KIDS WANT TO BE. WHIMSICAL MUSIC TINKLING When you save, you don't pay interest; you earn it. That makes saving the cheapest way to buy the things you want. In fact, once you start saving, you'll be surprised what you can afford. Grow your savings ` it's all part of being sorted. WELCOME BACK. WHEN YOU'RE A KID, EVERYONE'S ALWAYS ASKING YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO BE WHEN YOU GROW UP. WHEN I WAS 10, I WANTED TO BE EVEL KNIEVEL. STILL DO. BUT ALIVE. 25 YEARS AGO, IT WAS TEACHERS, BANKERS AND DOCTORS THAT MOST KIDS ASPIRED TO BE. GILL HIGGINS HAS THE LATEST SURVEY. WHIMSICAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC UM... UH... OK, I'LL LOOK IN THE DICTIONARY. EVEN AT THIS GIGGLY AGE, OPINIONS ARE FORMING. I WANNA BE A POLICEMAN. A ALL BLACK AND A LAWYER. I LIKE TO PLAY SOCCER. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ANY OTHER JOBS IF YOU COULDN'T BE A SOCCER PLAYER? ANOTHER SPORTS PLAYER. A NEW SURVEY SHOWS THE SAME ` MOST BOYS WANT TO FIGHT THE BAD GUYS. SECOND BEST, BEATING THE BAD GUYS ON THE SPORTS FIELD. AS FOR GIRLS... # I LOOKED TO YOU AS IT FELL, AND NOW YOU'RE IN MY WAY. # I'D LIKE TO BE A SINGER. I WANT TO BE A SINGER. YOU COULD JUGGLE. YOU COULD BE IN THE CIRCUS. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT JUGGLE AND SING AT THE SAME TIME. OH MY GOD. APART FROM BEING FAMOUS, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD ABOUT IT? I'M NOT QUITE SURE YET. JUST BEING FAMOUS, REALLY? YEAH. POP MUSIC GREAT (!) MORE WANNABE POP STARS. BUT BEFORE YOU DESPAIR, A MORE GROUNDED PROFESSION CAME A VERY CLOSE SECOND. I WOULD LIKE TO BE A TEACHER. AT THIS AGE, IT SEEMS IT'S ABOUT THE PROFESSIONS KIDS HAVE EXPOSURE TO. SO QUITE A FEW SINGERS AND ARTISTS IN THERE? BECAUSE WE DID A LITTLE STUDY ON PICASSO LAST WEEK. I AM ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD AT, LIKE, PAINTING AND STUFF. NOW, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THE GUY IN THE PINK SHIRT NEXT TO ME. HE'S THERE BECAUSE THE NZ RUGBY UNION PAID FOR THE SURVEY TO BE DONE. YOU SEE, THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT THEY'RE KEEN TO DO IS TO TRY TO RAISE THE PROFILE OF REFEREEING. AND YOU NEED THAT? YEAH, WE'RE STRUGGLING FOR REFEREES IN NZ. JUST A THOUGHT, BUT IS PINK REALLY THE RIGHT COLOUR TO ENCOURAGE MORE GUYS INTO REFEREEING? I'VE GOT A BIT OF PINK IN MY WARDROBE, SO IT DOESN'T OVERLY FAZE ME, BUT I CERTAINLY KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BOYS THAT ARE A BIT WORRIED. I LOVE PINK. OUT OF 10 OPTIONS FOR GIRLS AND BOYS COMBINED, RUGBY REFEREE WAS BOTTOM OF THE HEAP. WOULD YOU WANT TO BE A REFEREE? NO. I DON'T` I DON'T REALLY WANNA BE A REF. DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL BAD? UM, NO, COS I THINK REFEREEING'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MISUNDERSTOOD. RUGBY'S A BLOODY HARD GAME TO REFEREE AT THE BEST OF TIMES. I ACTUALLY CAN SEE BIG INJURIES IN RUGBY REFEREES. OOH, YES. ANYWAY. OH. THE REFEREE'S GONE DOWN. CHRIS HAS HAD TO DEVELOP A TOUGH BODY AND A THICK SKIN. TO BE HONEST, WE'RE GONNA MAKE MISTAKES. CROWD BOOS YOU EVER HAD ANY HATE MAIL? OH, I WOULDN'T SAY HATE MAIL, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY TELL YOU THAT MY NAME'S BEEN SPOILED THROUGH THE MEDIA. WHICH BRINGS US NICELY TO ANOTHER PROFESSION LOW ON THE LIST. WHAT ABOUT A TV PRESENTER? OK. OK. I WOULD KIND OF WANT TO BE LIKE PAUL HENRY. HAVE YOU HEARD OF, UM, GREG BOYED? HE'S OK. JESSE MULLIGAN? HAVEN'T HEARD OF HER. IT'S A HE, ACTUALLY, BUT... ALI MAU? NO. HEARD OF HIM. IT'S A SHE, ACTUALLY. OH! (LAUGHS) SO CRAZY. ELECTRONIC MUSIC IT'S ALL ABOUT EXPOSURE, AND REFEREES WANT KIDS TO REALISE THEIR JOB IS HOT, LITERALLY. WE RUN ABOUT 27-28 K A GAME. HEART RATE GETS UP TO ABOUT 180. BEING A REF'S A FANTASTIC JOB. I LOVE IT. YOU GET TO TRAVEL TO SOME PRETTY AMAZING PLACES. YOU GET TO DO SOME PRETTY AMAZING THINGS. AND GADGETS? I LOOK A LITTLE BIT LIKE A TERRORIST. IT MEANS THEY CAN HEAR WHAT I'M THINKING AND HOW I'M COMMUNICATING. AND THAT'S MADE IT BETTER? IT'S MADE YOUR JOB EASIER? YEAH, 100%. SHOULD WE BE OPENING THEIR MINDS UP TO OTHER THINGS AS WELL? YEAH, OH, I THINK, DEFINITELY, AT THIS AGE, THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. WHIMSICAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC AND THERE YOU GO. EVEN JUST A LITTLE CHAT WITH THE MAN IN PINK, AND NOW REFFING HAS ITS APPEAL. I'D LIKE TO BE... BUT PROBABLY A SOCCER REFEREE. I JUST THINK IT'S FUN RUNNING AROUND. I WANNA RED CARD EVERYBODY EVERY TIME, COS I MIGHT HATE THEM. I KNOW THE KIDS DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF TELEVISION PRESENTERS, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DID BEAT SUPERMODELS. WE MAY NOT BE THE COOLEST KIDS IN TOWN, BUT AT LEAST WE DON'T GO TO BED HUNGRY. THAT IS US FOR A THURSDAY. THANKS FOR WATCHING. GOODNIGHT. CAPTIONS BY FAITH HAMBLYN AND FINN SCOTT-KELLY. CAPTIONS WERE MADE POSSIBLE WITH FUNDING FROM NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT TVNZ ACCESS SERVICES 2013