Sunday ` brought to you by Mazda. Tonight on Sunday ` the controversial Kiwi broadcaster with a radical plan for Australia. I do not believe sex offenders can be rehabilitated. Should we have the right to know who they are? My rights are far greater than his. Where they are? The protection of a community is paramount. My fear is that we will drive them underground, that we won't know where they are. Remember my hairs going up on my neck. Jamie Oliver, surprised at his skills. And I had that feeling of being good at something. And why healthy food matters. (CHEERS) Captions were made possible with funding from NZ On Air. Copyright Able 2014 Kia ora. I'm Miriama Kamo. Who lives next door, really? And should you have the right to know? It's the debate that has one of Australia's highest-profile broadcasters, Kiwi Derryn Hinch, fighting. He believes there should be a register of sex offenders and you should have access to it. But should sex offenders be named and shamed? Or do they have a human right to anonymity? Here's Rachel Smalley. < Do you believe sex offenders can be rehabilitated? No, I do not believe sex offenders can be rehabilitated. No, I do not. Derryn Hinch ` It's an obscenity. the Kiwi broadcaster Aussies call the human headline. What's your answer to those who say a sex offender can change? What's your answer to those who say a sex offender can change? I would say... would you have him babysit your child? A relentless campaign to publicly name sex offenders has won Hinch plenty of admirers here and a few enemies in high places. Derryn, my name is Lloyd Coff from the sheriff's office. Derryn, my name is Lloyd Coff from the sheriff's office. Yes. Righto. And I have a warrant for your arrest. Righto, so I'm here to arrest you and take you to the Melbourne Assessment Prison to serve out a term of 50 days for your imprisonment. to serve out a term of 50 days for your imprisonment. Yes. Revealing suppressed details of the criminal past of a man charged with rape and murder saw a judge order Hinch to pay a $100,000 fine or face 50 days in jail. Now, that's the biggest personal fine ever. Corporations often don't get $100,000. So in the end I thought I'm not gonna pay that. So this January, just a year after a liver transplant,... Let's go. ...and at an age when most are contemplating retirement, the human headline was being carted off to prison. So I did it, and so I never dreamed that on my 70th birthday the first person to say, 'Happy birthday, Mr Hinch,' was a prison guard in the Langi Kal Kal prison. I spent the first two weeks in solitary confinement, maximum security. I was in lockdown for 23 hours. 93% of all the other offenders were sex offenders. Some of them would be the scum of the earth, some of the crimes they'd committed. Being locked up with sex offenders made Hinch even more convinced of the public's right to know who these men are and where they go when they're released. Why are sex offenders treated differently than anybody else? A murderer, when he or she comes out of jail, their names aren't suppressed. A tax avoider comes out of jail, his name isn't suppressed. So why is the protection of sex offenders? But if you identify the offender, then often you will also identify the victim. Now, I do agree. I mean, I've` Victims' names must be protected. But I should be allowed to know that the man living next door to me, if he has been jailed for five years for the rape and kidnap of a child. I have that right because my rights in the community are more important than his rights in the community. My rights are far greater than his and should be. MUTED ELECTRONIC MUSIC Here in Australia the debate has galvanised the public. On one side, those who believe a convicted sex offender has the right to live anonymously in society. And on the other side, those who believe the public has a right to know who's living next door. People feel so angry, so frustrated and yet so helpless. They really believe that magistrates and judges live in ivory towers and believe, to put it mildly, more in the rehabilitation of the crim than they do in the safety of the community. He's been one of Australia's highest profile broadcasters for half a century. Were you doing much exercise? I know you were in jail. Never. I was of the breed that, if your doctor told you to do exercise, you just changed doctors. But Derryn Hinch was born a Kiwi, growing up in 1950s New Plymouth. By all accounts an idyllic childhood, until one night when he was 9 years old. My family had had a visitor from Australia. And late at night he came into my bedroom, and anyway he` he physically assaulted me. I remember standing there in my pyjamas, frozen to the wall like a limpet mine. I mean, I didn't know much about sex, but I knew it was wrong. And then I remember saying, 'I want my mummy.' And that's when it all came out, and I know that three of my dad's mates had to hold my father down to stop him physically tearing this man apart. Years and years later I said to my parents, 'Why didn't you go to the police?' And they said, 'Well, we didn't want to put you through any more. 'We didn't want the embarrassment and whatever.' And I said, 'Yeah, but he just left town to do it again to some other kid.' And he probably spent his life doing it to children. And that horrendous event, to some degree, must be what motivates you now? Rachel, you sound like a good psychologist on this. And that's what they would say, but I disagree. You can get a life; there is a life after this. You can be a survivor as well as a victim. Whatever his reasons may be, no one can question Hinch's commitment to his cause. Jailed as far back as 1986 for outing a paedophile priest, he was then fitted with an electronic ankle bracelet in 2011 and sentenced to home detention for naming two prominent sex offenders at a public rally in Melbourne. I got five months of house arrest for that. Um... But I'm not sorry about that. I think I did the right thing, and I'll wear it. But why would you deliberately put yourself in a position to go to jail? It's easier than you think if you think you're right. I mean, I was` At times I've been the only guilty person in prison, and if I was in jail for some awful crime, maybe I'd reflect more on it and think I deserve this for this. But I think I'm right. Derryn Hinch is with us this morning, and, Derryn, welcome... He's the biggest show in town, and today Hinch is about to reveal his next move. I always get nervous when Derryn's around. Our in-house legal team suddenly come down. Hinch wants the Australian government to name convicted sex offenders on a public register. He's launched a petition, and more than 100,000 Australians have already signed up. We need more people like Derryn Hinch out there making people like us get outraged about what's going on. In the old days they said we can't name perpetrators... Eddie McGuire ` a bit of an Aussie media icon himself. He's seen the impact that Hinch is having. I think people have seen the fact that he is prepared to go to jail. Yes, it might have been another human headline if you like, but at the same time he's gone to jail at this time of his life with his health conditions in amongst sexual predators who are in jail, put himself on the line for this, and people are now starting to say enough is enough. Some Australian states have registers with limited public access, but they are largely for the use of government agencies. Hinch wants a national register with full public access. I do believe that the general community in Australia wants this register. And I believe we will have it. After the break ` You've been in prison for 22 years? > You've been in prison for 22 years? > Yeah. Can you understand why people are frightened by someone like you moving into their neighbourhood? And plans for a sex offender database here in NZ. From $20 to $1 million! With Bonus Bonds, there are thousands of cash prizes to be won every month. ALL: Hey! Visit bonusbonds.co.nz to invest now. Bonus Bonds ` the much more fun investment. LAIDBACK ELECTRONIC MUSIC Buried deep within a leafy Christchurch suburb sits Salisbury House ` a home with a very unusual group of residents. MAN: I got locked up in 1991. I think Bolger was the prime minister then, and I got out in August. Michael ` not his real name ` lives here. He's a man with a long history of sexual and violent offending. So, 22 years locked up. Yeah. Yeah. And you've been out since August. Yeah. And you've been out since August. Since August, yeah. Why were you locked up? I got locked up basically for rape, but there was assaults and kidnappings. Unique in NZ, the Salisbury St Foundation rehabilitates and reintegrates serious sex offenders back into our communities. WOMAN: Violent offenders, sex offenders, adult sex offenders, child sex offenders ` you know, long-term recidivist offenders. They're the majority that make up our group. Lyn Voice is the director here. Are you ever frightened by some of these men? I think` I think it would be unhealthy not to. I think that for me, there have been a couple of occasions where I've been scared. I make sure that I don't go into unsafe situations for me and for them. We have a rule in this programme that women are not allowed upstairs alone. So I` I run the place, but I don't go upstairs alone. That's quite a job you have. That's quite a job you have. Yeah. I guess they're people, and somebody's gotta do it, and one day this person is gonna get out of prison. The majority of people in NZ end up getting out of prison, and so I wanna make sure that I'm involved in the process of ensuring that my community, the one that I live in, is safe. And the best way to do that, she argues, is to teach sex offenders how to live safely with the rest of us rather than naming and shaming them. But can you rewire the brain of a paedophile or a rapist? I think that you can help them to adjust their thinking and reacting to certain situations that they've encountered in their life and are likely to encounter again. Can you rehabilitate every sex offender, though? Can you rehabilitate every sex offender, though? No. No. You can get somebody who can take it all in and absolutely demonstrate that they've got it, but then they may make a decision, 'Well, bugger this, I'm going to do what I want,' and that's the end of it. and that's the end of it. So no guarantees? No, no. I don't think, um` I don't think anybody who works in, well, the field that I work in, would like to make guarantees with anybody. The reality is offenders like Michael will eventually move back into a community somewhere. Can you understand why people are frightened by someone like you moving into their neighbourhood? I mean, as bad as it might sound, those people are already there, out there. The people that they fear can be their neighbours, they can be the person on the bus with them, they can be anyone. A NZ sex offenders register is awaiting final approval from Cabinet. Access will be restricted to a handful of government agencies like the police and Corrections. There will be no public access. Your government will make the mistake of going halfway down the track. You'll remember broadcaster Derryn Hinch... Every state has a public register. ...and his campaign to set up a fully public sex offenders register in Australia. Hinch thinks the limited register being proposed for NZ is flawed. It doesn't go far enough because it's just` Why does a certain amount of people have the right to know? 'Oh no, you can't know. This is secret. This is privileged.' The classic case of registers that don't work. Hinch says NZ and Australia need to go much further, like this. States in the US like Florida are the only places currently running sex offenders databases which are fully open to the public. That means anyone can see if a sex offender is living in their community. I'm talking about protecting society with my database by people knowing that out there are these sex offenders who you should know the right` it's your right to know who they are. I wouldn't like to see a public sex offenders register. These people, they already have trouble getting a place to live, getting employment, because most people don't want to know them. How would you feel if your face was on a public register? I think in the end it just takes away the hope; it takes away the possibility of change. Because this is always gonna be like this. There's never any chance of it changing in the future, and any chance of it been taken away forever. And the rest of your life, this is what's gonna happen. Lyn Voice argues that rather than reducing the risk of sex offenders reoffending, a public database like Hinch wants may actually increase it. Their risk would increase because they would isolate, they would feel alone and vulnerable and lonely, and if you look at the factors to offending, whether it's sex offending or any other offending, a lot of that comes into play. The protection of the community, the protection of the children, is paramount, and their rights and the rights of them and their safety comes before the protection or the rehabilitation of a child sex offender. And it must be ` or an adult rapist ` it must be. Derryn Hinch is now preparing for his next headline. He plans to walk 180km from the prison he was locked up in to Parliament House in Melbourne. And he wants to deliver 200,000 signatures to the Premier. Have you had enough of jail, or if the need arose, would you go back again? If I was in contempt again, I suspect I would not see the outside for about two years, so it'd be a big call, but I'd never say never. OK, so what's happening here? Well, Police and Corrections minister, Anne Tolley, says the proposed register in NZ would initially target those who've offended against children. There may even be scope for police to warn women with children about a new partner. The minister hopes to have the legislation passed later this year. Up next ` Jamie Oliver cooking up a new plan. At the age of 16, every child should leave school knowing how to cook 10 recipes to save their life. We have to give 'em that. Grate, grate, grate. Wazzy-wazzy woo-woo. Go for it! A big decision. A big decision. It's just a couch. Oh, no, the place you put around it. May I? Sure. Sure. This is only the first plan you should consider. The other is a plan that helps you look after it and makes it work for you. So it's not just your home; it's also the key to your future. An ANZ expert can help you into your new home and show you how to protect it for the future. Trust me, this is the one. (LAUGHS) Hello, again. Jamie Oliver isn't afraid to dish it out. The Naked Chef has stirred the pot in Britain and the US with his campaign to rid schools of fatty, sugary and salty food. And now down under is on his menu. Rahni Sadler reports. UPBEAT DANCE MUSIC CHEERING Hi, guys. CHEERING CONTINUES We all are passionate about getting you guys able to cook beautiful food so you can look after yourself and your family and your kids, and pass that knowledge on to the next generation. I started cooking about 8, cos I lived in a pub restaurant. My first whole meal I cooked I was about 9, and I did roast chicken, potatoes, gravy, all the trimmings. And I do remember ` cos about 9 was like` it was the realisation for my dad that his son wasn't very good at school. That Sunday I did the full monty roast dinner, and he'd given me a pat on the back after we did it, and I remember my hairs going up on my neck, and that feeling of being good at something. Cos you, like so many millions of people in the world, suffered from dyslexia. Yeah. But just generally not cut out for` I mean, I` don't get me wrong, I appreciate clever people a lot. And, you know... And-And when I left school at 16, I'm like, 'I ain't never going near words and exams and all that deadlines and revising.' And of course, all these years later, that's all I do. Well, The Naked Chef was, like, a long long time ago. And, um, I just wrote down on a bit of paper... I s'pose you could say it's stripping down a recipe to its bare essentials. No way, it's not me. It's the food. Strip, bare,... naked. Food he could handle. Girls? Not so much. I've got my girlfriend, Jools, coming round for lunch today. I've been neglecting her a bit lately. Jamie met Jools when they were teenagers. I wasn't very good at asking girls out. I didn't have much confidence. And every time I talked to a girl` Cos the thing about boys' schools is it makes you nervous about women. And you've got these impure thoughts going through your head, and you don't know what to do with yourself. Um, so every time I went to talk to her, I just sounded like Scooby Doo. I'd go... So it was just a complete` It was a disaster. And I asked her out on a couple of times, and, you know, she obviously didn't watch Scooby Doo so she couldn't translate what I was trying to say. And in the end I think she just felt sorry for me, so she thought she'd` you know, she turned up. But, um... yeah, um... We got there in the end. At an early part of my relationship with Jools, you know, um, I felt it appropriate to cook a Valentine's dinner, um, in the nude. Um. I'm not exaggerating. I did put a bow on the end of it. Cos I thought, well, at least try and dress it up a bit, do you know what I mean? Um... And I did do a beautiful sea bass stuffed with fennel and basil, parsley, slices of lemon, little shallots in there, olive oil in a tray. And, um, although wonderful things were happening to that sea bass ` all those herbs, all those fish juices, all that olive oil and wine cooking over about 25 minutes, fan-assisted ` that creates quite a potent proportion of steam, which, when I opened the door, shot through on to my penis thus burning it, and it really hurt. And, um, I spent the rest of the day with frozen peas on... it. And, um... Doesn't sound like a very romantic dinner at all` Doesn't sound like a very romantic dinner at all` No. No. It wasn't good. And it really hurt. And been together since; been married for about 11 years, I think. Jamie and Jools have four children ` three daughters, Poppy, Daisy and Petal and a little boy, Buddy. He's lovely. Lovely kid and-and-and gives me such pleasure. And is... I mean, having a house full of women... is emotional. And so having a bit of testosterone, or the beginnings of some, is definitely backup that I need. This is zucchini. This is zucchini. 'Chini. This is zucchini. 'Chini. Right, are you listening? These are greens. These are greens. Greens. Say 'nice'. Say 'nice'. Nice. Becoming a father forced Jamie to think about what his children, and other kids, were being served up at school and at home. What he saw in Britain horrified him. Like, you know, I'm sitting on the floor with a kid eating with her fingers chips and cheese and, like, shaved doner kebab out of Styrofoam. And I should, and I must, and I will... go in there and make a difference. This week Jamie home-delivered his healthy food message. For the love of God, taste your food. Diet-related disease is our country's number-one killer. I think most Australian parents would agree with me that at the age of 16, every Australian child should leave school knowing how to cook 10 recipes to save their life. Whether they're rich or poor, those kids should be able to leave school knowing that. We have to give 'em that. In his Ministry of Food centres... It's a little bit of perfection. ...Jamie wants to teach us all how to cook healthy food. Have we got to a spot where we need somebody to come and do this? I mean, it's turned out to be you` It's really simple. You know, the last 50 years ` industrial revolution, you know, the girls going to work, not teaching, you know, proper cooking in schools ` they're all combinating in two, three generations that just don't know how to cook. And when you say, 'Can you cook?' and they say, 'Yeah,' it's often reheating. Tip, tip, tip. Yeah! That's better than mine! Jamie is passionate in his belief that if you understand food and take the time to cook it yourself,... God help us. ...you'll have a better and healthier life. Guys, you've done the hard bit. Now it's time to eat your food. Yay. Do you wanna try it? Are you mad? Are you mad? LAUGHTER < What's the ultimate way to boil an egg? < What's the ultimate way to boil an egg? You don't know how to boil an egg? Mr Cameraman, how long do you boil an egg for? Mr Cameraman, how long do you boil an egg for? < Five minutes. OK. Mrs Producer? OK. Mrs Producer? Um, four. > Four. OK. Four. OK. Mrs Online over here. Four. OK. Mrs Online over here. Mrs Online? Three. > Three. > Three. Bloody hell, OK. So do we all like soft-boiled eggs or hard? Medium? Medium? Soft in the middle. > Here lies the question. See, this is cooking. Are you all using a large egg? And is it from the fridge? Cos you're a bit mental and you put eggs in the fridge. We do. Should we not be doing that? We do. Should we not be doing that? Why? It's nature's most perfect Jiffy bag. Right? They last for three weeks. You know. Keep it out of the fridge. Save yourself some space. You know. Like, if you cook a boiled egg from cold, or ambient, it's gonna take a different time. It's a beautiful thing. GENTLE GUITAR MUSIC I'm very much in love with life. Um, I love life, I love being alive, I love being a parent. I love the feeling of being part of a team or forming a team. I love the ability to ` for right or wrong, or win or make a mistake and lose ` have a go. You know, have a go, but unify people. This is kinda like what gets me excited. And I'm doing me best. (LAUGHS) And I'm doing me best. (LAUGHS) < You're doing a great job. Thank you, Jamie. UPBEAT MUSIC ALL CHEER Right, that's it, kids. 10 recipes each ` easy (!) Kua mutu te mahi naianei. That's our show for tonight. Check us out on Facebook...