Sunday ` brought to you by Mazda. Tonight on Sunday ` the mystery that has gripped the world. Paul walked out that door, and that's the last I know of what's happened to him. How could a plane just disappear? Every lead has been a dead end. As the search continues, we speak to the Kiwi family at the centre. There's either incompetence or a cover-up. Their quest for answers. They have to be hiding something. What have they uncovered? I won't rest until the truth of the matter comes out. And controversial,... It's violence. It's thuggery. It's not sport. ...confronting. The Beast! It's the fastest-growing sport on the planet,... Welcome to the modern Colosseum. This is Vegas. ...but should we be letting our kids get involved? Any parent that lets their kids into a cage to kick, elbow, knee, stop is not fit to be a parent. Copyright Able 2014 Kia ora, I'm Miriama Kamo. This week, yet another twist in the search the missing Malaysian airliner that vanished with 239 people on board, including NZer Paul Weeks ` new revelations about what we thought were the black-box pings. The search leader, speaking to exclusively to Sunday, tonight admits he is no longer full of hope. Now Paul Weeks' wife, Danica, says her grief has turned to anger. She and her family want answers. Janet McIntyre with the story. (SOBS) 'Every time I come here to the beach, 'I think, "Is this where Paul ended?"' I just need to know where he is. It's 85 days since Paul Weeks disappeared in MH370. It's heartbreaking to think it's so close and that he could be so close. (SNIFFLES) 'Like, if this is where they ended up, then just find it. 'They just have to find it.' The Indian Ocean off the coast of West Australia. It's been the focus of a massive international search for the remains of MH370 and the 239 people on board. It's here, the Malaysian Government announced back in March, the plane came to rest. But after three months, the deployment of 14 ships, 39 aircraft, 5 million square kilometres of ocean searched, what has it turned up? Until now ` nothing. We just have to keep going, and part of that is keep pushing for the truth. This is... This is just the last one. (VOICE BREAKING) I mean, it's the last picture of us all together. (SNIFFS) We were just sitting and just hanging out together, and we had a couple of hours. Just before Paul left, a precious family moment together. Who could have known it would be their last? And I only found them this week, and... he took them so he could, you know, look at them while he was in transit on the plane. (GIGGLES) Up until the 8th of March, they were Kiwis living the Australian dream. They'd fled the tremors of Christchurch for a quiet suburb on the outskirts of Perth. A young family getting ahead. Paul's career was on the fast-track. He said to me, 'This is everything I've worked for. This is my dream job.' He was so excited. You could see the look on his face. He was ecstatic. Paul, a mechanical engineer, had just been hired to ensure the smooth running of hundreds of huge machines at one of the world's biggest copper mines. But the mine lies thousands of kilometres away, deep in Mongolia's Gobi Desert. It meant Paul would work four solid weeks for every two weeks off. A couple of days before he left, he said, 'Really, are you sure?' And I said, 'Paulie, I wouldn't stop you doing this. There's no way. This is such a great opportunity.' He surprised Danica by leaving his wedding ring and watch with her for safe keeping. He said, 'I can't wear them on site, and it's ridiculous leaving them in my room.' And he said, you know, 'If anything should happen to me, 'then the wedding ring should go to the first son that got married and the watch to the second.' And, you know, I just said to him, I said,... (VOICE BREAKING) 'Don't be silly. 'Don't be silly. You can give it to them. 'Don't... (SNIFFS) say things like that.' He flew from Perth to Kuala Lumpur, checked into the Malaysia Airlines lounge and made the most of his business-class boarding pass. He said, 'You haven't seen this on a plane ticket before, have you, Dan.' (LAUGHS) You know, he was so was so excited about his boarding pass. From the lounge, Paul wrote Danica an email ` their last contact. He'd said he was sitting in the lounge drinking cognac. (LAUGHS) And that's so typical of Paul. He'd go, 'Oh yeah, top shelf, please.' Relaxed, excited, his family photos on his laptop, Paul settled into seat 2D and the midnight flight bound for Beijing. But just one hour later, a cataclysmic change of events. As MH370 crosses the coast and exits Malaysian airspace, one of the pilots signs off. They will be the very last words to be heard from the aircraft. Just moments later, the plane's two communications systems either malfunction or are disabled. And the plane, now an unidentifiable flying object, continues another seven hours, it's path uncertain, before it disappears altogether. The phone rings, the home phone, and... it's a lady from NZ, from the NZ Herald, and she's talking away and going on, and she said, 'Oh, when did you last speak to Paul?' And I said, 'Well, I dropped him off at the airport yesterday. 'I'm waiting for him to skype.' And I said, 'Look, what's this all about?' And she said, 'Oh, you don't know?' And I went, 'I don't know what?' And, um,... (SNIFFS) she said, 'There's been an incident with the plane.' And... Your mind does. I instantly thought the plane had crashed. (SNIFFS) Coming up ` Every lead has been a dead end. Peter Weeks fights for his big brother. There's either incompetence or a cover-up. And we speak exclusively to the search leader himself about this week's setback. Do you have as much hope as you did back then that this was where you'd find the remains of MH370? There are 239 families around the world trying to come to terms with the unexplained loss of their loved ones. They've been unable to properly grieve, have funerals, even have memorial services ` just like the family of 38-year-old Paul Weeks. Paul's brother Peter speaks tonight for the first time about why he thinks the search so far has been futile, and Janet McIntyre goes to the commander of the search for answers. TENSE MUSIC Flight MH370 is missing. WOMAN YELLS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE Back in Perth, Paul's younger brother Peter made the excruciating decision to stick with plans to fly to Christchurch for his sister's birthday. Hello. Hello. Hi, Pete. We had this awful flight not knowing anything about anything for six hours or however long it is from Perth to Christchurch. And there were a lot of tears shed in that flight, quietly. Peter and Paul ` brothers, neighbours, mates. It's like life stopped. It impacts on your more than you can ever imagine. He's my best friend, and I miss him every day, and I've been crying for two and a half months. He was a bit of a father figure for you, wasn't he? Yeah, he really was. He believed in me when others didn't, and we were there for each other. Peter, a successful young lawyer in Perth, is still there for Paul, determined not to let the mystery of his disappearance lie. I'm afraid the matter's going to go cold, and it's going to leave the public consciousness, and the plane will be allowed to just disappear into history with all its passengers aboard. That's an unacceptable outcome. Back in March, the disappearance of Flight 370 caused chaos. Malaysian authorities wrongly reported it flying in Cambodia, then they wasted valuable days searching the South China Sea and the Bay of Bengal. Then, two weeks in, they notified families by text the plane was in the Southern Indian Ocean off Western Australia and that all hope was gone. ALL CLAMOUR We believe the family members should prepare themselves for the worst. (SCREAMS) Suddenly, here I was ` one of the furthest-away families ` in Perth. All of a sudden, I'm the closest. The kids ` what did you tell them? What did you tell Lincoln? Lincoln ` he's 3 and a half. He's a very smart kid, and I've told him Daddy's gone. TOY: Whoa! I got up the strength, and I said, 'You know how Daddy was going to work?' And he goes, 'Yeah, he's in Mongolia.' And I said, 'Well, Dad's plane has gone missing.' And I burst into tears, of course, cos it just broke my heart to see his eyes processing what that meant, and he said` he put his hand on my arm and just said, 'Oh, don't worry, Mum. I'll find Daddy.' He` He's gone to Heaven, and he has to stay there forever. He won't come back. I thought it was important that we are totally transparent with you. I just want to know... This man is charged with finding Lincoln's daddy, Danica's husband. Look, my heart goes out to Danica. I've had a lot to do with her. She is distraught. Air chief marshal Angus Houston ` former chief of Australia's Defence Force, former search and rescue pilot ` heads the search for MH370, doing the best he can, he says, for Danica and all the families. Danica was living in Perth, was a resident in Australia. We took her under our wing as well, noting that NZ still retains the ultimate responsibility for her, but whenever anything happened, we would get in touch with Danica and let her know. Have you met any other family members? No, I haven't met any of the other family members. Some of the questions that she and the families have got will not be able to be answered until we find that aircraft and we recover the black box. The strongest lead is satellite data indicating the plane had deviated off its route and most likely headed for the Southern Indian Ocean. Then backing that theory up were four faint sonar pings off Western Australia thought to be from the plane's two black boxes. This is an important and encouraging lead. We are encouraged that we're very close to where we need to be. Hopefully in a matter of days, we will be able to, uh, find something on the bottom. This week, in an exclusive interview with Sunday, Angus Houston backtracked on the black-box pings. Well, it's very disappointing, because essentially the lead we got looked very promising. He announced on Friday the search of over 800km2 of ocean floor has yielded nothing. Do you have as much hope as you did back then that this is where you would find the remains of 370? I think we have we have searched that area very intensively over a period of time now, and I think that, you know` my own view is that I'm not full of hope any more. My first feeling is I want to know what happened to my brother and all of those people on the plane. How I react to the ongoing search in an area where there seems to be no results? Peter Weeks believes the task force is looking in the wrong place. What I would like to have seen was the other alternative hypotheses not being ruled out. I would like to have seen a northern flight path not being ruled out, particularly now when there is some doubt ` in my view, significant doubt ` about the validity of the conclusions based on a pure mathematical formula that the plane is in the South Indian Ocean. Some commentators still say the plane could have flown north. Has this search been to the exclusion of considering a northern corridor? At no stage has anybody questioned the fact that we have made the wrong conclusion about the southern corridor. The southern corridor ` the conclusion is that the aircraft entered the water somewhere in the Indian Ocean. I can completely appreciate that it's an enormous ocean, but the search areas that are being explored relative to the size of the ocean are rather constrained, and it's just come up with nothing. I can't imagine that you could have a plane that's weighing thousands of tons that would be crashing into the surface of the ocean with newtons of force, um, whether it's under thrust or just the weight of gravity, that would impact into the ocean and leave nothing ` not a cup, not a seat, not a body. It doesn't accord with common sense. I'm not an expert, so all I can apply is common sense, but it doesn't seem logical to me. Peter Weeks has lost all faith in the Malaysian authorities overseeing the investigation. Every lead has been a dead end. There's been so many statements and retractions along the way that you can't help but lose confidence in the transparency and the honesty of what has actually been portrayed. I guess the best way to express it is the amount of statement and retraction makes one believe that there's either incompetence or a cover-up. As-salam alaikum. When you look at the blunders and the oversights, the misinformation that's come from Malaysia, can you understand why the Weeks family has little faith in this whole operation? Well, uh,... Look, um, early on, I mean, I think the mistakes that were made were caused by the unprecedented nature of the circumstances around the disappearance of this aircraft. Simply put, there's been nothing like this has ever happened before. I have never seen anything as challenging and difficult as this search and rescue, search and recovery operation. Was it a fire, a catastrophic engine failure? Was it pilot suicide? Could MH370 have been captured? Peter Weeks doesn't rule anything out. You still hold a glimmer of hope, don't you? Yes, and I will until something tells me that I can't. And when, in the utter absence of any established facts, all you can do is speculate, so I'll speculate to the best. So you think there's still a tiny chance he could be alive? It's improbable, but everything about this is improbable. If he had survived, if he'd been captured, how do you think he would be handling this. I don't know. I don't know. Yes, you do. > (CHUCKLES WRYLY) Actually, I do. He would do anything it would take for him to come back to his boys and his wife, yeah. What type of car is that? That one looks flash. Uncle Pete, who lives just next door, is trying to match his brother's encyclopaedic knowledge of cars. I spy, with my little eye, a Mini Cooper. Yeah. That's the one. Good boy. Lincoln is bringing him up to speed. These guys are all my favourites. Well, those boys are a mirror of him. What they like is what he likes, right down to the absolute obsession with automobiles and motorcycles. That was always Paul. I'll always be there for my brother's boys ` whatever they need, whatever I can do, I'll do it, but there's no filling his shoes. < Do you lose sleep over this? Oh, I've` I've lost a little bit of sleep from time to time. I'm a person, though, who` who sleeps well because I think my conscience is clear that we've done every possible thing we could to try and find MH370. When will you find this plane? When will you find this plane? Well, I've said it may take` it many take 12 months. It'll take a long time. Nothing... Nothing happens quickly underwater. Danica Weeks puts her faith in Angus Houston,... Oh, going to get wet. ...but her heart draws on the quiet strength of her missing husband, Paul. He said, 'Anything we do in our lives, those two children are our greatest achievements.' And he said, 'If something happened to you or something happened to me, we would have no choice. 'The choice would be to continue on and keep each of us alive in their lives 'and bring those kids up and be there for our children.' And he said, 'Dan, you don't have a choice.' So, what about those pings? If they weren't from the plane's black boxes, where did they come from? We put that question to the search task force in Canberra. It said the pings were being re-analysed, and their origin is yet to be determined. And, we quote, 'We may never know the origin of the acoustic detections.' The task force also said the current search has finished, and the area has been discounted as the final resting place of the missing Malaysian airliner. Up next ` cage fighting for kids. Would you let your children take part? ROCK MUSIC CHEERING It's in our DNA. You put two babies on the floor, right? You'll see this all the time. One baby will take the other baby's thing. The baby smacks the other baby. The baby wants its thing back. It's just` As human beings, that's how we're built. Is it responsible, as a parent, to have your son fighting in a cage at the age of 8? Yes. Mother Nature loves food that's free from artificial colours, flavours and preservatives, and so do I. That's why my Uncle Ben's Express Rice is made with delicious rice, vegetables and herbs and spices. Ready in just two minutes. Begin with Ben and get to wholesome meals fast. Welcome back. Depending on your view, it's either a brilliant showcase of strength and skill, or a savage sport that should be banned. What's not in question is the UFC, or Ultimate Fighting Championship, is the fastest-growing sport in the world. Sold as family entertainment, this idea of two fighters unleashed in a cage brings in billions of viewers. More shocking, though, is that parents are now putting their children ` boys and girls ` into the cage. Here's Denham Hitchcock. PEOPLE CHEER BOY SCREAMS, PEOPLE CHEER WILD CHEERING BELL RINGS It's in our DNA. You put two babies on the floor, you'll see this all the time. One baby will take the other baby's things. The baby smacks him. Baby wants his thing back. As human beings, that's how we're built. < Is it responsible as a parent to have your son fighting in a cage at the age of 8? Yes. Any parent that allows their kids into a cage to kick, elbow, knee, stomp, is not fit to be a parent. It's controversial, confronting, and in America, kids' cage fighting is being promoted as a genuine sport. BELL RINGS There's no shortage of kids who want to compete, or, for that matter, parents who want to watch them fight. The only problem is, kids' cage fighting is banned in most US states, including California, which brings us here to an Indian reservation ` tribal land ` specifically, that casino where Californian law does not apply. Back out. Back out. Back out. More than 50 kids, some as young as 6, have come to fight. It's an officially sanctioned tournament. To film, we were asked to make a contribution towards the event's costs. All of the children here have fought before and all with their parents' approval. Boys and... girls. It's a family affair. Dads fine-tuning their fighters. That's my baby right there. Mums are fired up, cheering on their kids as they beat each other up in a cage; driven by the idea all this could one day lead to a big money career 500km from here. Las Vegas, Nevada, is home to the ultimate fighting championship known as the UFC. Iiiiiiiiiiiiit's time! Welcome to the modern Colosseum. Forget ancient Rome. This is Vegas. Like it or not, the UFC, or mixed martial arts, is the fastest growing sport on the planet. This stadium is filled to the back rafters. But that's not where the money is. The money is outside of this arena at home ` millions of people paying to watch it in their lounge rooms. There's no shortage of stars. Will Smith and his beautiful family in attendance here tonight. And there's no escaping the brutality. There are rules but not too many. And that's one of the reasons why it's seen in more than a billion homes worldwide. How much did you buy the business for? We bought the UFC back in 2001 for two million bucks. And what's it worth now? Probably about 3.5 billion. CAR ENGINE REVS UFC boss Dana White has spent some of his UFC riches on a fleet of luxury cars, including a Ferrari convertible. I barely graduated high school. I didn't go to college, but I think half the battle is... half the battle is knowing exactly what you want to do. I knew what I wanted. I knew I wanted to be in the fight business, and, uh, I went after it. What is it about combat that draws people in? I believe that before a guy hit a ball over a wall with a stick, before a guy threw a ball through a circle, two men were put on this Earth, somebody threw a punch, and whoever was standing around ran over and watched. Fighting is the first sport ever in the history of the world, and it will be last sport ever. Welcome to the cage. Welcome to the cage. Thank you, I think. Welcome to the cage. Thank you, I think. OK. Let's go. Australian heavyweight Mark Hunt is 140kg of brute strength. (GRUNTS) I'm in trouble here. He's invited me for a light spar. What I find is a world of pain. It's hard... and it hurts. And it left me in no doubt about the power and skill of this UFC heavyweight. I'd rather do this job than, uh, look after the kids. The wife's got the hardest job. The wife's got the hardest job. She's got the hardest job ` looking after the kids. Among Mark's UFC fights was an infamous bloody clash with a Brazilian brawler called Bigfoot. COMMENTATOR: A beautiful one, two from Mark Hunt, and a beautiful right hand! 10 seconds and counting in one of the greatest heavyweight fights we have ever witnessed inside the Octagon! What do you see when you watch this? I see two big machines. I see blood on the floor. I see blood all through that guy's hair. How are ya, boys? Phil Rothfield is the executive sports editor of The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Telegraph. In his column on Mark Hunt's fight, he called it a disgrace and demanded the UFC be banned in Australia. There's nothing skilful about two big men with blood in his head. The blood in the ring. It's` I'm sorry, but I don't like it. I don't think kids should be watching it. I think it's an R-rated sport. The greatest heavyweight fight I've ever seen. Come on, Australia. Everything over there can kill you. You guys are supposed to be the rough and tumble guys who can handle a little blood. (PA) MAN: This is the moment UFC fans around the world have been waiting for. But UFC fans had to handle a whole lot more in December last year when superstar fighter Anderson Silva suffered one of the sport's worst injuries. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's time! COMMENTATOR: Watch this. He checks in. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Wow! That's about as obvious as it gets. One agonising kick snaps Silva's shin in two. How people can get off, pay money, enjoy and cheer and watch something like that is beyond me. The fighter who caused the devastating injury is reigning world champion and father of two, Chris Weidman. A guy broke his leg in half. How can you say it's not violent? Well, actually, I think it is violent, but it's no more dangerous than any other sport out there. I've been fighting for five years. I haven't been cut one time, and the only time I've been cut was the other day I was playing hide-and-go-seek with my kids. (LAUGHS) > Ready? Grab my arm. Get it. Get it. Lay lower. Lean back. Chris Weidman has a son, CJ, who loves the UFC, and a daughter, Cassidy, who isn't a big fan, but due to a recent change in the rules, she could also grow up to become a fighter in the UFC. (PA) MAN: Ronda Rousey! WILD APPLAUSE, CHEERING Believe me, nobody, and I mean nobody, was more against women fighting in the UFC than me. What changed your mind? > What changed your mind? > Ronda Rousey. RAUNCHY ROCK 'N' ROLL MUSIC OK, so, the big guy with the tattoos you saw in that first part of the story might have been claimed by the Australians as their own, but Mark Hunt is actually a Kiwi from South Auckland. His fights have been described as among the best in heavyweight history. And late last year he walked away from one fight with $100,000 from winning a UFC 'Fight of the Night' prize. After the break ` why Ronda Rousey, who you just saw, is the most ferocious female fighter in the UFC. And 8-year-old Mason prepares himself for fight night. Does Mason have any pre-fight rituals? Uh, we definitely have to get his hair cut. It might say 'beauty' and I might put an '&' in the middle, so you can say 'Beauty and the Beast.' The Beast! It's a frantic start. Welcome back. For years, the idea of women fighting in the UFC was unacceptable to UFC president Dana White. He didn't think there were any women good enough. But two years ago rules were changed, and there's one woman in particular who made that happen ` 27-year-old Ronda Rousey. She's more than just a little dangerous. (PA) MAN: Women's bantamweight champion of the world! 'Rowdy' Ronda Rousey! It's weigh-in time for the most ferocious female fighter in the UFC, Ronda Rousey. 135 for the champion! Denham from Sunday Night. Denham from Sunday Night. Nice to meet ya. Denham from Sunday Night. Nice to meet ya. Nice to meet you too. Where do you want me? Where do you want me? Over in this chair right here. Where do you want me? Over in this chair right here. OK. You look great. You look great. Thank you. Thought it slightly surprising with your profession that you can still remain, sort of, flawless. Well, I'm slightly surprised you're as handsome as your accent. Well, I'm slightly surprised you're as handsome as your accent. (LAUGHS) CRAZY TOWN'S 'BUTTERFLY' Ronda has sex appeal and firepower. # Come, my lady. Come, come, my lady. You're my butterfly. Sugar baby. # She's a weapon of mass destruction and mass appeal. She's the UFC's golden girl. What's the worst thing you've said you're going to do to an opponent in the lead-up to a match? Um, I think that I said that I was, uh, willing to kill them and I was willing to die in order to win. My friends call it 'great white shark mode' cos my pupils actually dilate when, like, I'm really really focused. I just have pure black eyes, and it's just that I'm so focused. There's no opinions. There's no emotions. Nothing but entirely the present moment. Ladies and gentlemen, here she is ` the main event of the evening! COMMENTATOR: Rousey. McMann. Here we go! Oh. That is a nasty elbow. The clinch here. And a kick. It's all over! And Ronda Rousey with a vicious knee to the body! It's true. I'm willing to kill the other person, and that's why we have governing bodies, and we have it officiated, and we make it as safe as possible because it's the referee's job to save the other girl from me. The fact that it's all systems go, all allowed to happen in a ring. It's violence, it's thuggery and it's not sport. How young would be too young for you in terms of fighting? My kids were sparring` My kids started sparring when they were probably 8. ALL: One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Mason Bramlette is 8, grade three at school. But after class, he's training for his next fight. I'm getting beaten up by an 8-year-old here. (CHUCKLES) Before Mason started training, he was very hyper, all over the place. Mason was diagnosed with ADHD. To calm him down, his doctor suggested medication. His dad decided to wear him out instead. It's more to waste some energy than wrestle, so that's what we did. So if sport was the answer, why not football? I just don't feel football is safe for a kid. Does Mason have any pre-fight rituals? Uh, we definitely have to get his hair cut. Don't move your legs, OK? > That's what's making you move cos you're swinging your legs. Hold still, OK? They might say beauty, so I have to put an 'and' sign in the middle so you can say beauty and the beast. The Beast! Keep it cool. No knees, OK? Can we kick in the thigh? Can we kick in the thigh? Yes. His opponent is his friend Justin who's two years older than him. (PA) MAN: Justin 'The Nightmare' Ramirez. The Beast has beaten him before, twice. Centre. Fight! It's a frantic start... ACTION MUSIC Good. Good. Ooh. ...until Mason is accidently kicked in the head. Cool? < You OK, Mason? Hold on, hold on, hold on. < Give him a second. Give him a second. Well, I obviously don't have to tell you how illegal that was. SILENCE CHILLING MUSIC SOUND RETURNS You want another minute? > No? You OK? All right. CROWD CHEERS Ready? Fight! You cannot continue executing those strikes. Advance your position. BELL RINGS < Are you concerned that he will want to grow up to fight, say, in the UFC? No. If that's what he wants to do, he can do it. If he wants to be a ballerina, I'll be there supporting him wearing a tutu too. (CHUCKLES) Unanimous for Justin Ramirez. CROWD CHEERS Doc's material. If an Australian parent sent their kids into the ring or a cage, it's doc's material. It's not the way to raise children. But that's not the way these parents see it. Not only does Mason's dad let his son fight, but also his daughter Sadie, who's 6. BELL RINGS CROWD CHEERS Four red back! It's uncomfortable to watch,... Tap! Tap! Tap! ...but in this room, I'm in the minority. My biggest concern is less so with the kids, it's the parents. You can see them there and filming it and lapping it up as their children undertake this sort of sport. It's scary that they would even consider allowing them to do it. What are some of the nastiest messages that you've received on Facebook? Um, I'm a horrible father. 'How can you do that to your kid?' Um, Jeez. So many. Uh,... I... Is this an adult show? Can I say the words? Is this an adult show? Can I say the words? < Sure. Yeah, you can. Um, I'm a... (BELL RINGS) idiot. I'm... 'What are you thinking?' Like... No. What that is is people just don't know. You hurt anywhere or is it OK? You OK? You good? All right. Kids, as you know, emulate their heroes. Kids want to do what their heroes do, and if this is the fastest growing sport in the world, it's scary, cos our schoolyards will become battlegrounds. (PA) MAN: 'Rowdy' Ronda Rousey! Good job, guys. CROWD WHOOPS Good job. Good job, buddy. That is sobering. The first ever UFC is taking place in Auckland at the end of this month. And you can tell us what you think on Facebook ` Sunday TVNZ. Should kids be involved in cage fighting, and from what age? Mason's dad, David Bramlette, is happy to answer any questions you have. However, he's in California. It's the middle of the night there right now, so he'll be with you on waking. Meanwhile, feel free to post any questions or comments for him. We'll be back soon. Hi again. Muslim cleric Abu Hamza ` for years, the British had tried and failed to get rid of him and his message of hate. That was until the cleric, dubbed Captain Hook, came up against a plucky Kiwi called Mary Quin. Just last month, Mary's evidence helped land Hamza in an American jail. In an earlier interview, Mary told Sunday how she was kidnapped in Yemen by Abu Hamza's followers. Incredibly, she fought her way to freedom, then went gunning for Abu Hamza himself. Here, then, is an excerpt from Ian Sinclair's exclusive interview with Mary Quin. So, I had to grab the barrel of the gun, and, uh,... to my shock at the time, cos I wasn't expecting this, he grabbed the gun, so we were in this tug of war over an AK-47. It was really quite bizarre, but he was screaming at me, and I was screaming at him, and finally I stomped my foot down on his head, and that sort of gave me leverage to wrench the gun out of his control. And then I made a run for it. How did it feel to turn the tables? Well, actually, I mean, that part was quite exhilarating. Mary had survived, but four of the group were killed. HAUNTING, SAD MUSIC Well, that was obviously the devastating thing about the whole experience ` that, you know, four people needlessly lost their lives. All the more reason to turn Mary from victim to investigator. I had been very curious about why the kidnapping happened. Who were the kidnappers? What was their purpose in taking us hostage? Back home in Rochester, New York, she turned cop ` setting up a whiteboard, piecing together evidence. So, um, I did, you know, as much research as I could. And it all led to this man. Abu Hamza, at the time of the kidnapping, was, um, uh, a... creature, I guess would be the right term, at a mosque in London. It was time, Mary decided, she had a talk with Abu Hamza. And, against all odds, a very surprised Abu Hamza agreed to talk on tape. It was certainly a very helpful piece of trying to piece together how the kidnapping happened and why. So, the US court found Abu Hamza guilty of 11 terrorism charges, and he is now awaiting sentence. Meanwhile, if you want to see the rest of Mary Quin's incredible story, go to our website. And we said last week we'd be bringing you Inga Tuigamala tonight. That story ` a rugby hero's story of personal transformation ` will now screen next Sunday. Inga the Winger like you've never seen him before. From fit 20 years ago to fat, but now Inga's on the way back. This was Inga the undertaker just before his stroke ` all 170 kilos of him. I was severely overweight. I was obese. (CHUCKLES) All ready for the big day. I'm a bit nervous now. Now this 44-year-old grandfather has cut out the meat,... Oh, thank you. ...dropped 35 kilos, with just 35 to go until his first marathon. What's the goal? What's the goal? For the Auckland marathon ` 103. Losing 70 kilos has got to be good for his heart, but is Inga Tuigamala risking his life? So we'll have Inga next week. That's our show for tonight. Our Facebook page again ` Sunday TVNZ. Thanks for joining us. Lovely to have your company. Ka kite i a koe a tera wiki. See you next week. Pomarie.