NOTE: CAPTIONS COMPUTER GENERATED USING OCR FROM DVB-SUBPICTURES. CA. GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME TO THE NATION. I'M LISA OWEN. NOTE: CAPTIONS COMPUTER GENERATED USING OCR FROM DVB-SUBPICTURES. CA. GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME TO THE NATION. I'M LISA OWEN. AND I'M PATRICK GOWER. NOTE: CAPTIONS COMPUTER GENERATED USING OCR FROM DVB-SUBPICTURES. CA. THIS MORNING - PARLIAMENT IS DONE; LET THE CAMPAIGN BEGIN. WHAT NZ NEEDS IS AN ECONOMIC UPGRADE THAT DELIVERS DECENT JOBS AND HIGHER WAGES. WE'VE GOT TO KEEP BUILDING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THE SKILLS, THE INNOVATION, AND MAKING SURE WE PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE RESOURCES SECTOR. TODAY'S BIG DEBATE - THE COUNTRY'S WEALTH. WHO'S GOT THE IDEAS TO MAKE US ALL RICHER. WITH DAIRY PRICES FALLING AND CHINESE BUYERS LOOKING TO SNAP UP YET ANOTHER ICONIC KIWI FARM, IS THE RECOVERY LOOKING SHAKY? HOW DO WE REVITALISE THE REGIONS AND CAN WE INNOVATE OUR WAY TO SUCCESS? STEVEN JOYCE AND GRANT ROBERTSON GO HEAD-TO-HEAD. THEN EYES ON THE PRIZE. BILLBOARDS, WEBSITES AND 'TWITTER ARE SELLING THE STYLE AND THE SMILES OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD US. SO, WHO'S GOT THE WINNING LOOK? PLUS, TORBEN AKEL LOOKS BACK OVER THE HIGHS AND THE LOWS OF OUR 50TH PARLIAMENT. AND LATER, MORE ON THAT MASSIVE LOCHINVER FARM SALE, WITH WINSTON PETERS. JEREMY CORBETT AND PAUL EGO'S SATIRICAL TAKE ON THE CAMPAIGN. AND BUSINESS HEAVYWEIGHTS SELWYN PELLETI' AND FRAN O'SULLIVAN JOIN PADDYAND ME ON THE PANEL. GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US. WELL, PARLIAMENT HAS BEEN ADJOURNED, THE HOARDINGS ARE UP, AND IT'S NOWA RACE TO THE FINISH LINE. WE HAVE A BIG SHOW TODAY, AS NATIONAL AND LABOUR GO HEAD-TO-HEAD, SO AS EVER, WE'RE KEEN TO HEAR YOUR VIEWS. JUST TEXT ON 3330 FOR 50C; EMAIL THENATION@TV3.CO.NZ OR GET IN TOUCH ON TWITTER OR FACEBOOK @THENATIONTV3. AS A COUNTRY, WE'RE WORTH ABOUT $227 BILLION. NOT BAD FOR A SMALL COUNTRY, BUT HOW DO WE GROW THAT PIE? ONE OF THE MOST CRUCIAL CONTESTS THIS ELECTION WILL BE OVER WHO HAS THE IDEAS TO BUILD OUR ECONOMY OFF THE BACK OF THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS. SO, THIS MORNING, TWO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SPOKESMEN, NATIONAL'S STEVEN JOYCE AND LABOUR'S GRANT ROBERTSON, GO HEAD-TO-HEAD ON THEIR PARTY'S PRESCRIPTIONS FOR PROSPERITY. GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. BOTH: MORNING. I WANT TO START WITH YOU, MR JOYCE. OWNERSHIP OF ASSETS IS WHAT MAKES YOU WEALTHY. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS 18,000HA LOCHINVER STATION BEING SOLD TO FOREIGNERS? WHAT I THINK IT IT'S ELECTION TIME BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A SALE OF LAND, AND THEREFORE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE NOW - IT USED TO BE JUST WINSTON; NOW IT'S COLIN CRAIG AS WELL - BEATING THE ANTI-FOREIGNERS DRUM, AND I SUSPECT WE'LL SEE A BIT MORE OF THIS BETWEEN NOW AND ELECTION DAY. BUT IT'S AS REGULAR AS EVERY THREE YEARS THAT THIS COMES UP. GRANT ROBERTSON, IT'S JUST ELECTIONEERING? WELL, NO. I MEAN, NZERS ARE ACTUALLY SICK OF OURASSETS BEING SOLD OFF, AND IT'S THE SAME FOR FARMS AS IT IS FOR STEVEN SELLING OFF ENERGY COMPANIES. WE WANT TO SEE VALUE HELD BY NZERS. WE DON'T GET THIS LAND BACK ONCE IT'S SOLD. IT'S GONE. ACTUALLY YOU DO. WE DON'T GET THIS LAND BACK ONCE IT'S SOLD. IT'S GONE. ACTUALLY YOU DO. WE DON'T GET THIS LAND BACK ONCE NO, YOU DO. AND IT'S NZERS WHO NEED TO HAVE JOBS BEING CREATED FROM ASSETS THAT WE OWN. OUR MESSAGE FOR FOREIGN INVESTORS IS IF YOU WANT TO COME INTO NZ, HELP CREATE JOBS. OUR MESSAGE FOR FOREIGN INVESTORS THAT'S RIGHT. HELP CREATE JOBS. OUR MESSAGE FOR FOREIGN INVESTORS THAT'S RIGHT. BUILD A PROCESSING PLANT. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SELL OFF THE LAND LIKE THIS. MR JOYCE, THIS IS- WELL, ACTUALLY, I NEED TO ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE, ACTUALLY, I MEAN, GRANT, YOU'RE INTERESTING THERE, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU OUT PROTESTING JAMES CAMERON'S LAND PURCHASES IN THE WAIRARAPA, SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S ONLY THE CHINESE INVESTORS. NO, IT'S NOT. THAT ALLEGATION IS JUST WRONG, STEVEN. WHEN DID YOU GO OUT AND OPPOSE PURCHASING JAMES CAMERON? WE'VE NEVER OPPOSED FOREIGN INVESTMENT THAT IS NOT PRODUCTIVE FOR YEARS. MR JOYCE, CAN WE-? GIVE ME A CHANCE. VVHEN DID YOU GO OUT AND ACTUALLY OPPOSE THE LAST PURCHASE OF JAMES CAMERON'S LAND? WHERE'S THE PRESS RELEASE ON THAT? WE HAVE BEEN OPPOSING THE PURCHASES OF DAIRY FARMS BY ANYONE, AND WHEREVER THEY'RE FROM, IF IT'S STRATEGIC LAND LIKE THIS- BUT THIS ISN'T A DAIRY FARM. YOU KNOW THAT, DON'T YOU? THIS ISN'TA DAIRY FARM. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THIS IS ABOUT WHAT NZERS WANT, AND NZERS WHAT TO CONTROL THEIR OWN LAND. MR JOYCE, MR ROBERTSON. SO THIS IS NOTA DAIRY FARM AND THIS IS NOT JAMES CAMERON, THEREFORE YOU'RE OPPOSING IT? MR JOYCE, I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR OWN LEADER'S COMMENTS. HE'S AGAINST CHINESE INVESTMENT. ABOUT YOUR OWN LEADER'S COMMENTS. HE'S AGAINST CHINESE INVESTMENT. OH, FOR GOODNESS SAKE, STEVEN. MR JOYCE- HE'S AGAINST CHINESE INVESTMENT. OH, FOR GOODNESS SAKE, STEVEN. MR JOYCE- LITTLE XENOPHOBIA FROM THE LABOUR PARTY TO START THE DAY OFF. SEE, THIS IS TYPICAL OF THE PERSONAL POLITICS. HE DOESN'T WANT TO DEBATE WHAT NZERS WANT, WHICH IS TO CONTROL THEIR OWN FUTURE. STEVEN'S HAPPY TO SELL OFF OUR FUTURE RATHER THAN HAVE NZERS IN CONTROL. MR JOYCE. COULD I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE, GENTLEMEN? YEAH. YOUR OWN LEADER HAS SAID THAT HE DOESN'T WANT US BECOMING TENANTS IN OUR OWN COUNTRY, BUT ISN'T THIS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING UNDER YOUR WATCH? NO, LOOK, IT'S ATINYAMOUNT. IT'S ACTUALLYA RIDICULOUSLY SMALL AMOUNT OF LAND THAN UNDER LABOUR, BECAUSE, ACTUALLY, UNDER LABOUR, THE AVERAGE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS THEY WERE IN OFFICE - 90,000HAA YEAR WERE SOLD TO OFFSHORE PURCHASERS. UNDER NATIONAL, IT'S BEEN AN AVERAGE OF 39,000HAAYEAR. SO IT'S RIDICULOUS FOR LABOUR TO TURN AROUND- MORE UNDER LABOUR, MORE UNDER NATIONAL. THE PIE BEING SOLD OFF IS EVEN BIGGER. BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE REAL BENEFIT OF INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE, I THINK, ALL THIS HYSTERIA WHICH GRANT'S TRYING TO STOKE THIS MORNING IS ACTUALLY INCORRECT, BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF FANTASTIC EXAMPLES OF INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT IN THIS COUNTRY WHICH HAS BROUGHT REAL BENEFIT. FOR EXAMPLE, WHIRINAKI, THE BIG FORESTRY PROCESSER IN HAWKE'S BAY, OWNED BY OG FOR 43 YEARS. THE INVESTMENT, IT HASN'T HAD MUCH- SO ARE YOU HAPPY, MR JOYCE, THAT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PRODUCTIVE NZ LAND IS GOING OFFSHORE? JUST LET ME TAKE YOU THROUGH. YOU'VE GOT TO LET ME ANSWER THE QUESTION, LISA. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT? I'D LIKE YOU TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT. IT'S VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD. NO, I DID NOTASK YOU THAT QUESTION, MR JOYCE. YOU DID. YOU DID. ARE YOU GOING TO GUARANTEE, STEVEN, THAT WHEN THIS FARM IS SOLD OFF, THIS ESTATE IS SOLD OFF, THAT THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF ADDED JOBS? THERE WILL BE PROCESSING COMING AND THERE WILL BE SOMETHING IN THE ECONOMY FOR NZERS? RATHER THAN JUST SELLING OFF OUR- AND THERE WILL BE SOMETHING IN THE ECONOMY FOR NZERS? RATHER THAN JUST SELLING OFF OUR- THATS ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE PUT IN IN 2010, SO ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU HAVE NOT STUCK TO THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE PUT IN IN 2010, SO ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU HAVE NOT STUCK TO THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE NO, YOU HAVEN'T. MR PLATITUDE HAS TURNED UP AGAIN. HE'S ACTUALLY SAYING THAT HE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY BEING DONE, AND HE'S PROTESTING THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT. GENTLEMEN, EXCUSE ME. WE'VE SPOKEN TO SOURCES AT TUWHARETOAAND OTHER IWI WHO SAID THIS FARM WAS OUTSIDE OF THEIR PRICE BRACKET. $70 MILLION. SO I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW WHERE ARE THE NZERS WHO ARE WEALTHY ENOUGH TO BUY OUR OWN ASSETS? ISN'T THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM? WELL, ACTUALLY, THERE'S PLENTY OF NZERS THATARE WEALTHY ENOUGH TO BUY OUR OWN ASSETS, BUT, LOOK, THE POINT OF VIEW IS INTERNATIONAL INVESTMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO NZ. IT'S BEEN VERY IMPORTANT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR FUTURE. AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF EXAMPLES. I WAS ACTUALLY AT ONE THE OTHER DAY. FRUCOR, WHICH IS NOW OWNED BY SUNTORY, A JAPANESE COMPANY, AND THEY'RE MAKING BIG INVESTMENTS IN THEIR PROCESSING PLANT, AND ALL THE WORKERS ARE IN FAVOUR OF THAT. NOW, IF YOU TAKE THE EXAMPLE OF THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY, SHANGHAI PENGXIN, THEY HAVE MADE INVESTMENTS IN THE OLD CRAFAR FARMS. NOBODY, I THINK, IS ARGUING THAT THE CRAFAR FARMS USED TO BE WELL-RUN. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD INVESTMENTS OUT OF THAT AND MORE INVESTMENTS EXPECTED. SO THAT'S ALL GOOD STUFF. THERE HAS TO BE A BENEFIT TO NZ- WHAT STEVEN FAILS TO UNDERSTAND HERE IS THAT NZERS ARE COMPLETELY SICK OF SEEING THEIR LAND SOLD OFF. THIS IS ABOUT OUR LANDS AND OUR FUTURE. STEVEN, THE THING IS WE HAVE LEARNED OUR LESSON. MR ROBERTSON, THE LABOUR PARTY- WE HAVE LEARNED OUR LESSON. STEVEN JOYCE REFUSES TO LEARN THE LESSON THAT NZERS WANT LAND RETAINED IN NZ OWNERSHIP. LABOUR PLANS TO STOP FOREIGN PURCHASES. PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LMNG IN NZ, UNDER LABOUR, WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO BUY UP TO 5HA OF LAND. SO, WOULD YOU STOP THE SALE OF THIS FARM? OUR CRITERIA WOULD DEFINITELY MEAN THATA SALE LIKE THIS WOULD BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY, UNLESS- HOW ARE YOU GOING TO POLICE IT? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROPER CRITERIAAND LIMIT THE ABILITY OF MINISTERS TO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT DID TO ALLOW THE CRAFAR FARMS TO BE SOLD OFF. AND THIS ONE WILL GO THROUGH BECAUSE STEVEN JOYCE AND HIS MINISTERS DON'T BELIEVE IN PROTECTING THAT LAND. WHATA LOAD OF RUBBISH. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE JOBS GENERATED WHEN THERE IS FOREIGN INVESTMENT, THAT IT'S MORE THAN A NZ COMPANY THAT OWNS IT. STEVEN DOESN'T WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT NZERS THINK. (LAUGHS) THAT OWNS IT. STEVEN DOESN'T WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT NZERS THINK. (LAUGHS) THIS IS WHAT NZERS BELIEVE. YOU'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS ONE. ABSOLUTELY NOT. MR JOYCE, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT DAIRYING, BECAUSE LAND RELATES TO DAIRYING. THIS GOVERNMENT- WELL, JUST BEFORE WE GO, THIS ISN'TA DAIRY FARM. THIS GOVERNMENT HAS CHAMPIONED- SO WOULD YOU MAKE JAMES CAMERON SELL HIS LAND? IS THAT THE DEAL, GRANT? EXCUSE ME. THIS GOVERNMENT, MR JOYCE. I'M TRYING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, MR JOYCE. I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE ANSWER. BE RESPECTFUL, STEVEN. (LAUGHS) THIS GOVERNMENT HAS CHAMPIONED DAIRY, SO THE PRIMARY SECTOR - EXPORTS ARE UP 25% SINCE YOU CAME INTO POWER IN 2008. BUT MANUFACTURING IS DOWN ALMOST 18%. NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. IT IS CORRECT. ARE WE A ONE-TRICK PONYAND WE'RE NOW SELLING THE PONY AS WELL? ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. SO, HERE WE GO. DAIRY IS ROUGHLY 22% OF NZ'S EXPORTS. DAIRY IS 22% OF NZ'S EXPORTS OF GOODS AND SERVICES. IT'S A GREAT INDUSTRY, DOES WELL FOR NZ AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE IT INVESTING AND GROWING. WE HAVE OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT ARE DOING JUST AS WELL. ICT, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF COMPANIES LIST ON THE NZ STOCK EXCHANGE LAST YEAR IN THE ICT SECTOR. FOOD AND BEVERAGE GENERALLY. THE WINE INDUSTRY - EXPORTS ARE AT RECORD LEVELS. THERE'S THE HIGH-TECH MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY, WHICH HAS GOT EXCELLENT PROSPECTS. SO, IN TERMS OF DAIRY, THOUGH, MR JOYCE- BUT YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THE BALANCE, SO I'M SAYING THE BALANCE IS VERY GOOD. WE SAW THIS WEEK ABOUT $4 BILLION GO DOWN A SINKHOLE BECAUSE FONTERRNS MILK PRICE PAYMENT HAS GONE DOWN BY $1 A KILO- OFF RECORD LEVELS TO SLIGHTLY BACK FROM RECORD LEVELS. SO ARE WE OVER-RELIANT, THOUGH, STILL ON DAIRY? NO, I JUST TOLD YOU. IT'S 22%. AT 22%, ARE WE STILL OVER-RELIANT? NO, I JUST TOLD YOU. IT'S 22%. AT 22%, ARE WE STILL OVER-RELIANT? NO, WE'RE NOT. NO, I JUST TOLD YOU. IT'S 22%. AT 22%, ARE WE STILL OVER-RELIANT? NO, WE'RE NOT. MR ROBERTSON? NO, WE ARE, BECAUSE IN THE LAST QUARTER, EXPORT VALUE WENT DOWN BY 7.4% BECAUSE OF OUR LOSS IN DAIRY. THERE IS GOING TO BE, FOR FIVE YEARS, AN OVERSUPPLY OF MILK IN THE WORLD MARKET. WE HAVE GOT TO DIVERSIFY. BECAUSE GRANT ROBERTSON SAYS SO. (LAUGHS) > NO. BECAUSE ECONOMISTS AROUND THE WORLD SAY SO. OH, NO, NO, NO. IT'S GRANT ROBERTSON SEVEN WEEKS OUT FROM AN ELECTION. NO, IT'S ACTUALLY GOLDMAN SACHS WHO SAYS THAT. IF STEVEN'S GOING TO SIT HERE COMPLACENTLY BELIEVING THAT WE CAN RIDE THE WAVE OF COMMODITY PRICES AND LIVE OFF THE CHRISTCHURCH RECOVERY, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR MOST NZERS. WHY NOT STICK TO OUR KNITTING, MR ROBERTSON? WHY NOT STICK TO WHAT WE'RE GOOD AT? WE DON'T TELL THE ALL BLACKS TO GO PLAY NETBALL, DO WE? NO, WE DON'T. WE WANT TO SEE THE PRIMARY SECTOR SUCCEED AND ADD VALUE, BUT WE HAVE TO DIVERSIFY, BECAUSE IF WE WANT JOBS THAT PAY WELL. IT'S INTERESTING, ISN'T IT? I LET STEVEN TALK, AND HE TALKS CONTINUOUSLY OVER THE TOP OF ME. IF WE WANT TO HAVE JOBS THAT PAY WELL, WE NEED TO INVEST IN MANUFACTURING. WE NEED TO INVEST IN ICT. WE'VE GOT TO LIFT SCHOOLS RIGHT ACROSS THE REGIONS. BUT IT'S NOT WORKING, STEVEN. IT'S NOT WORKING. IT'S NOT WORKING BECAUSE IN EVERY REGION OF THE COUNTRY OTHER THAN CANTERBURY, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED THAN WHEN NATIONAL TOOK OFFICE. ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO SPEAK TO MR JOYCE ABOUT DIVERSIFICATION. YOU SAY WE ARE DIVERSIFYING. COULD WE JUST ANSWER-? I NEED TO ANSWER. WE ARE DIVERSIFYING, YOU SAY, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO DIVERSIFY, YOU AGREE? THAT'S CORRECT. YOUR FINANCE MINISTER WAS ON RADIO EARLIER THIS YEAR, SAYING, 'WE'RE GOOD ARE SUPPLYING RAW MATERIALS TO ASIA, SO WHY NOT STICK TO IT?' SO ARE YOU ARE LOGGERHEADS WITH YOUR FINANCE MINISTER ABOUT THE DIRECTION YOU SHOULD BE TAKING? NO, WE'RE FLAT-OUT INVESTING AS I SAID, IN OUR HIGH-TECH INDUSTRIES AND ICT, FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND AGRI- < ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO, WE ARE- MANUFACTURING OUTSIDE THE PRIMARY SECTOR HAS DROPPED BY 17%. YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING TO DAVID PARKER, HAVE YOU? YOU'VE NARROWED OUR ECONOMY DOWN TO MORE LOGS AND MILK. GENTLEMEN, ONE AT A TIME. NO, THAT'S ABSOLUTE- WHATA LOAD OF RUBBISH. YOU HAVE NARROWED OUR ECONOMY DOWN. I NEED TO HAVE TO OPPORTUNITY. YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. NO, I NEED THE OPPORTUNITY NOW. AND THE OPPORTUNITY IS THAT IT IS COMPLETE RUBBISH, AND GRANT ROBERTSON'S CARTOON OF THE NZ ECONOMY IS COMPLETELY WRONG. NZ'S ECONOMY IS GROWING IN A WHOLE RANGE OF AREAS. IT IS SEEN AS THE MOST BROAD-BASED ECONOMIC GROWTH CURRENTLY IN THE WORLD. IT'S THE THIRD-FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. WHEN WE CAME INTO OFFICE, LABOUR LEFT THE NZ ECONOMY IN RECESSION WHILE THE REST OF THE OECD- THIS IS NONSENSE. THIS IS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. NO, IT'S NOT. IT HAPPENS TO BE TRUE. WHEN WE CAME- GO AND VISITATOWN LIKE WANGANUI. EXCUSE ME, DON'T INTERRUPT. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO- LET'S GIVE MR ROBERTSON A RIGHT OF REPLY. NO, I NEEDA RIGHT TO FINISH. I NEED A RIGHT TO FINISH OR WE CAN TALK OVER EACH OTHER ALL MORNING IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, LISA. I DON'T THINK lT'LL BE VERY GOOD TELEVISION. IF YOU GO AND VISITATOWN LIKE WANGANUI OR GISBORNE, YOU WILL FIND PEOPLE THERE SAYING, 'WHERE IS THE SUPPORT FOR OUR ECONOMY?' JUST BECAUSE THINGS ARE GOING WELL DOWN IN CANTERBURY RECOVERING DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE IN REGIONAL NZ HAVE GOT JOBS WITH GOOD WAGES. GENTLEMEN, WE WILL PICK THIS UPAFTER THE BREAK. EXCUSE ME. NO. LISA. WE WILL PICK THIS UP AFTER THE BREAK. MR JOYCE, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. REGIONAL NZ IS GROWING FASTER THAN AUCKLAND, AND YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO SOME OTHER POINTS OF VIEW > THAN JUST GRANT ROBERTSON. > WE WILL TAKE A BREAK NOW. WE WILL TALK ABOUT R & D AND ZOMBIE TOWNS, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO MR JOYCE AS WELL. AND WHO'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A PAY RISE? ALL OF THATA BIT LATER. AND LATER IN THE HOUR, PAUL EGO AND JEREMY CORBETT BRING A BIT OF HUMOUR TO PROCEEDINGS, AND WE LOOK AT THE BATTLE OF THE BILLBOARDS AND THE BABIES AS CAMPAIGNING BEGINS IN EARNEST. DO STAY WITH US. STEVEN JOYCE AND GRANT ROBERTSON. BEFORE THE BREAK, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO DIVERSIFY OUR ECONOMY. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU EACH 30 SECONDS TO SUM UP HOW YOU THINK WE CAN BEST DO THAT. YOU FIRST, GRANT ROBERTSON. WELL, THE GOVERNMENTS GOT TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTNER IN SUPPORTING ECONOMIES RIGHTACROSS NZ. WE WANT TO SEE REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT. WE DO THAT BY SUPPORTING NEW BUSINESSES, BY SUPPORTING NEW INDUSTRIES - MANUFACTURING, FORESTRY AND WOOD, ICT. TO ADD VALUE AND TO DEVELOP OUR PRIMARY INDUSTRIES. WE DON'T DO THAT BY STANDING BY, TRYING TO RIDE THE WAVE OF COMMODITY PRICES AND HOPING THAT THE RECOVERY FROM THE CHRISTCHURCH EARTHQUAKE WILL BE ENOUGH. IF WE'RE GONNA GET DECENT JOBS WITH HIGHER WAGES, WE NEED TO SEE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTACROSS NZ IN A DIVERSE RANGE OF INDUSTRIES, BUILT ON WHAT WE'RE GOOD AT. THAT IS YOUR TIME, MR ROBERTSON. AND NOW TO STEVEN JOYCE. YOUR 3O SECONDS. WELL, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE NOW THE THIRD-FASTEST GROWING ECONOMY IN THE OECD, AND IT'S A BROAD-BASED RECOVERY. IT'S ACKNOWLEDGED BY NEARLY ALL ECONOMISTS AS BEING ACROSS THE WHOLE RANGE OF SECTORS, AND THE CHALLENGE IS TO SIMPLY CONTINUE WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT, FUNNILY ENOUGH, IAGREE WITH GRANT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT ENCOURAGING INVESTMENT IN ICT AND HIGH-TECH MANUFACTURING AND SO ON. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING, AND WE'RE SEEING THAT HAPPEN ACROSS NZ. FUNNILY ENOUGH, IT'S THE REGIONS THAT ARE LEADING THE ECONOMIC RECOVERY. EIGHT OUT OF THE 11 REGIONS HAVE LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT THAN AUCKLAND, AND I GO AROUND THE REGIONS, AND THERE ARE ALL THESE MANUFACTURING OPPORTUNITIES. AND THAT'S YOUR TIME, MR JOYCE. RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION ON TO JOBS AND WAGES. GRANT ROBERTSON, LABOUR WANTS TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE BY 2 BUCKS AN HOUR. DO BUSINESSES REALLY HAVE AN EXTRA $4000 SITTING IN THE COFFERS TO PAY EVERY WORKER A YEAR? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA COST. WELL, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS THAT WORKERS IN NZ DESERVE TO EARN A WAGE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO LIVE AND SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY, AND AT THE MOMENT, WE'VE GOT 100,000 WORKING FAMILIES WHO ARE RELIANT ON SOME FORM OF BENEFIT OR GOING TO A FOOD BANK- BUT IF BUSINESSES CAN'T AFFORD THAT, MR ROBERTSON. IF BUSINESSES CAN'T AFFORD THAT, THEN PEOPLE WILL LOSE JOBS, AND THE ESTIMATES ARE THAT THIS COULD COST US 6000 JOBS AYEAR. THOSE FIGURES ARE HUGELY CHALLENGEABLE, AND IN FACT, TREASURY SAID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY NO JOB LOSSES. WHEN LABOUR INCREASED THE MINIMUM WAGE BY OVER 70% WHEN WE WERE LAST IN OFFICE, UNEMPLOYMENT DROPPED HUGELY. THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR NZERS - TO EARN THE WAGES THAT ALLOW THEM TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES. NONE OF US COULD LIVE ON $14 AN HOUR AND SUPPORTA FAMILY. $16.25 IS FAIR. IT'S AFFORDABLE. MR JOYCE. 100,000 PEOPLE ARE ON THE MINIMUM WAGE IN THIS COUNTY, AROUND ABOUT. THIS IS A LOW-WAGE ECONOMY. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO FIX THAT? NO, IT'S NOTA LOW-WAGE ECONOMY, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON LOW WAGES. IAGREE. BUT THE CHALLENGE IS ALSO KEEPING PEOPLE IN JOBS AND GROWING EMPLOYMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, LABOUR'S SOLUTION IS ACTUALLY TO SAY THERE'LL ACTUALLY BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GO INTO UNEMPLOYMENTAS A RESULT OF AN ARTIFICIAL INCREASES IN WAGES WHEN THERE'S NO PRODUCTMTY INCREASE. SO THE CHALLENGE IS ACTUALLY TO ENCOURAGE THE VERY SORT OF INVESTMENT THAT GRANT WAS CRITICAL ABOUT AT THE START OF THE PROGRAMME. TO ENCOURAGE MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR NZERS TO GROW THEIR BUSINESSES, AND THAT EMPLOYS MORE PEOPLE. THAT'S THE WAY YOU GROW JOBS, AND WE'VE GROWN 4000 MORE JOBS IN THE LAST YEAR, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST JOB GROWTH IN A DECADE. THE THING ABOUT PEOPLE ON THE MINIMUM WAGE IS THAT THEY WILL SPEND THAT MONEY, AND IT GOES BACK INTO THE ECONOMY RIGHTAWAY. IT WILL ACTUALLY HELP CREATE JOBS AND PRODUCE THAT, BECAUSE WE RECOGNISE THAT NZERS DESERVE A CHANCE TO MOVE FROM $14 AN HOUR THAT STEVEN JOYCE THINKS IS GOOD UP TO $16.25 AN HOUR. WE THINK THATS FAIR. WE THINK THATS AFFORDABLE, AND IT WILL PUT MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY. SO WHATS THE MAGIC OF $16.25, AND WHY DON'T YOU GO A LOT HIGHER THAN THAT? BECAUSE IF YOUR ARGUMENT IS CORRECT, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. THE REASON YOU DON'T IS BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF JOBS THAT'S CAUSED BY ARTIFICIALLY PUTTING UP WAGES. AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, THEN SORRY. YOU NEED TO TAKE ECONOMICS OFF THE FRONT OF YOUR TITLE BECAUSE, ACTUALLY, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. THIS IS ABOUT CREATING A MUCH FAIRER ECONOMY. STEVEN IS QUITE HAPPY FOR THE RISING TIDE OF THE ECONOMY TO LIFT THE SUPER-YACHTS BUT NOT THE ORDINARY PEOPLE. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE GETS A FAIR SHARE OF ECONOMIC GROWTH. STEVEN MIGHT NOT CARE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DO. I DO NEED A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THAT, AND THE SIMPLE REALITY IS THAT'S EXACTLY HOW YOU INVEST IN JOBS AND GROWTH; ENCOURAGE INVESTMENTS SO EMPLOYERS EMPLOY MORE PEOPLE AT HIGHER WAGES. AND THATS WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING. THAT'S WHAT OUR RATE'S ABOUT. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE US A BREAK THIS TIME? NOW, YOU'RE SAYING THAT I WAS INTERRUPTED. CARRY ON. GO FOR YOUR LIFE. EXCUSE ME, GENTLEMEN. I DO NEED TO FINISH THAT RESPONSE. I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE REGIONS. YOU RAISED THE REGIONS THERE AS AUCKLAND AND CHRISTCHURCH ARE GOING GANGBUSTERS- YOU'RE WRONG, ACTUALLY. YOU'RE WRONG. THERE IS CONCERN IN THE REGIONS- THERE'S CONCERN IN THE REGIONS THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING AS WELL. SO WHATARE YOU GONNA DO FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NOT ALREADY DOING? EIGHT OF THE 11 REGIONS HAVE LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT THAN AUCKLAND RIGHT NOW, AND I CAN TELL YOU FOR FREE, COS I SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRAVELLING AROUND THEM, THAT IN PLACES LIKE ROTORUA, THEY'RE DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET SKILLED PEOPLE TO COME AND WORK IN THEIR INDUSTRIES AND IN SOUTHLAND. AND, ACTUALLY, WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO MOVE INTO THOSE REGIONS TO ACTUALLY TAKE UP THE VERY MANY JOB OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE THERE. SOUTH ISLAND UNEMPLOYMENT -AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHRISTCHURCH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AROUND THE WHOLE SOUTH ISLAND- SO YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING FOR THE REGIONS? WE ARE DOING THINGS FOR THE REGIONS NOW, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS TRYAND INVEST IN RAILWAY LINES THAT NOBODY USES. WHAT YOU DO IS INVEST IN THINGS THATACTUALLY ENCOURAGE GROWTH, AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE ROADING NETWORK, FOR EXAMPLE. ULTRA-FAST BROADBAND, FOR EXAMPLE. WHANGAREI - NZ'S FIRST FULLY FIBRED CITY. AND THE OTHER THING YOU DON'T DO IS PUT THINGS LIKE BIG CARBON TAXES, BIG WATER TAXES AND BIG CAPITAL-GAINS TAXES ON REGIONAL BUSINESSES AND FORCE THEM TO PAY THE SAME WAGES AS AUCKLAND. THIS LEVEL OF COMPLACENCY ABOUT THE REGIONS IS WHAT'S REALLY WORRYING PEOPLE OUT THERE. WE'VE GOT ONE OF OUR MOST RESPECTED ECONOMISTS SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ZOMBIE TOWNS IN NZ. RUBBISH. > SAYING THERE'S GONNA BE ZOMBIE TOWNS. STEVEN'S HAPPY FOR ZOMBIE TOWNS TO BE CREATED. DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, GRANT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PLACES LIKE WANGANUI AND GISBORNE AND ROTORUA ACTUALLY DO HAVE INDUSTRY, AND WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT THAT WITH ECONOMIC UPGRADE AND FORESTRYAND WOOD AND ICT. MR JOYCE IS CORRECT THAT 11 OF THE 16 REGIONS EXPERIENCED GROWTH IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. SO THIS GOVERNMENT IS WORKING FOR SMALL-TOWN NZ, ISN'T IT? NO, THEY'RE NOT. COMING FROM AVERY LOW BASE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO A PLACE LIKE WANGANUI OR GISBORNE, WALK ALONG THE STREET AND PLAY THE MEMORY GAME OF WHAT SHOP USED TO BE WHERE AN EMPTY WINDOW IS NOW. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. > THOSE ECONOMIES WANT LABOURAND OTHER GOVERNMENTS TO INVEST WITH THEM. LABOUR'S GOING TO INVESTMENT $200M INTO A REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE. NO, IT'S A SLUSH- BUT, ACTUALLY, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, ISN'T IT, IS DO A FEW HERO PROJECTS IN THESE PLACES THAT, POTENTIALLY, WILL TURN INTO WHITE ELEPHANTS. MR JOYCE RAISED THE GISBORNE-TO-NAPIER RAIL LINK. YOU'RE GONNA INVEST LOTS OF MONEY IN THAT, AND IT ONLY CARRIED 2% TO 3% OF FREIGHT WHEN IT WAS OPENED. HOW IS THAT GONNA HELP? THE THING IS THAT THESE PROJECTS HAVE GOT TO BE A PART OF A REGIONAL ECONOMIC PLAN. IF WE LOOK AT THE REGION LIKE THE EAST COAST OF THE NORTH ISLAND, IF WE GET IN THERE AND DEVELOP THEIR WOOD-PROCESSING INDUSTRY, THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE FREIGHT TO GO ON THAT RAIL LINE. THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE FREIGHT TO GO INTO PORTS AS PART OF A COASTAL SHIPPING STRATEGY. INCORRECT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO BACK THESE REGIONS RATHER THAN SAY WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT TO BE ZOMBIE REGIONS. WE HAVE TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL SUPPORT THAT. THE PROJECTS THAT WE WILL BACK WILL BE ONES THAT ACTUALLY ARE PART OF A REGIONAL ECONOMIC GROWTH PLAN AND PART OF WHAT LOCAL COMMUNITIES WANT. WE'RE NOT GONNA ABANDON THEM LIKE THIS GOVERNMENT. WELL, I'M SORRY. I NEED TO- CAN I RESPOND TO THOSE THINGS? BECAUSE GRANT IS OUT TO CREATE ALL THESE STRAW PEOPLE. HE MAKES ALL THESE ACCUSATIONS ABOUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT IS BEHAVING, AND HE'S COMPLETELY WRONG AND THEN HE- MR JOYCE, RESPOND OR WE CAN MOVE ON. WELL, NO, I WILL RESPOND TO THAT. THE REALITY IS WE ARE ENCOURAGING INVESTMENT IN THOSE REGIONS AND GETTING VERY GOOD INVESTMENT. BUT THE IDEA OF SUGGESTING THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU OPEN UP THAT RAILWAY LINE - WHICH, AS YOU CORRECTLY POINT OUT, WAS GETTING ABOUT 2% OF THE FREIGHT ON IT - WILL SUDDENLY CHANGE THINGS AGAIN IS A FOOL'S PARADISE. AND THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, IS MR ROBERTSON'S PARADISE. I AM AMBITIOUS FOR NZ, BUT THERE'S NO POINT CREATING WHITE ELEPHANTS EVERYWHERE. A BIT LIKE- MR JOYCE, I WANT YOU TO- MR JOYCE, YOU RAISED THE ISSUE OF INVESTMENT. AND SO NEW IDEAS, THE NEXT BIG THING COMES OUT OF R & D. SO WHAT I'M WANTING TO KNOW - WE SPEND ABOUT 1.3% OF GDP ON R & D, AND THE AVERAGE IN OECD COUNTRIES IS 2.4%. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO INCREASE THAT? WE ARE WORKING TO DOUBLE THE COMPANIES' INVESTMENT IN R & D, AND WE'RE HAVING REAL SUCCESS IN DOING THAT. WE'VE SEEN AVERY SIGNIFICANT GROWTH WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF CALLAGHAN INNOVATION. WE'VE NOW GOT 563 COMPANIES AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO ARE GETTING ASSISTANCE WITH THEIR R & D. WE'VE GOT 300 POSTGRADUATE PEOPLE ALONGSIDE THOSE BUSINESSES- THE GREENS ARE GONNA SPEND A BILLION OVER THREE YEARS. CAN YOU MATCH THAT? WELL, ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT AS BIG A GROWTH AS WE'VE BEEN GETTING, AND THATS THE IRONY OF IT, AND THATS WHERE THE GREENS ACTUALLY NEED TO GO AND LOOK AT WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING. WHAT WE NEED HERE IS TO GIVE RESEARCHERS AND DEVELOPERS SOME CERTAINTY. WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDITS RATHER THAN MAKING THEM SUBJECT TO THE LOTTERY THAT THE NATIONAL PARTY SET UP FOR GRANTS. THERE'S A PLACE FOR A GRANT SCHEME, BUT WHAT COMPANIES NEED IS CERTAINTY THAT THEY WILL BE BACKED. JEEZ, YOU MAKE STUFF UP. 15% R & D TAX CREDIT - WE'VE GOT TO DO BETTER IN INNOVATION. WE ONLY DO THAT WHEN WE GIVE CERTAINTY. I JUST WANT To ASK YOU ONE FINAL QUESTION. I WOULD LIKE A BRIEF RESPONSE FROM BOTH OF YOU. IF YOU HAD $10 MILLION CASH, MR JOYCE, IN YOUR BANKACCOUNT, WHY WOULD YOU INVEST IT IN NZ? BECAUSE NZ IS FULL OF PRODUCTIVE AND EXCITING INDMDUALS WHO HAVE INNOVATION AND CREATMTY AT THEIR HEART. THEY ARE GREATAND RESOURCEFUL. THEY COME UP WITH NEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS ALL THE TIME. WHEN I GET TO TRAVELAROUND THE COUNTRY, AS I DO A LOT, I GET THE PRMLEGE OF SEEING AN AMAZING ARRAY OF COMPANIES. FOR EXAMPLE, STABICRAFT IN INVERCARGILL. ALL THESE COMPANIES THATARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB, AND I WOULD INVEST IN THOSE. MR ROBERTSON, $10 MILLION CASH, WHY WOULD YOU PUT IT IN NZ? BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH FANTASTIC IDEAS. WE'VE GOT AN INCREDIBLE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE CAN PROTECT AND ALSO ENHANCE THROUGH THAT INVESTMENT, BUTALSO BECAUSE IT WILL BE WORTH IT UNDER A LABOUR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A CAPITAL-GAINS TAX AND INVESTMENT... CAPITAL GAINS TAX TO TAKE ALL THEIR MONEY OFF THEM. ...AND THAT ECONOMY WILL BE BETTER THAN HOW IT IS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING. STEVEN JOYCE AND GRANT ROBERTSON. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, LISA. MORE ON THE WEALTH QUESTION WITH THE PANEL LATER, AND WINSTON PETERS IS WITH ME LIVE NEXT. BUT AS THE CAMPAIGNING KICKS OFF, THE BILLBOARDS GO UP AND THE LEAFLETS GO OUT, HOW THE PARTY LEADERS LOOK SUDDENLY LOOK VERY VERY IMPORTANT. SO, WHO IS PUTTING ON THE BEST GAME FACE? LUCY WARHURST REPORTS. # YOU'VE EITHER GOT OR YOU HAVEN'T GOT STYLE. POLITICIANS WORLDWIDE HAVE LONG UNDERSTOOD THE POWER OF A PICTURE. # HOW IT DRAWS THE APPLAUSE OF THE MASSES. AND YOU CAN'T GO FAR AT THE MOMENT WITHOUT SEEING PICTURES OF OUR POLITICIANS AND THEIR PARTY BRANDS. IT'S THE ANCHOR POINT THAT THE POLITICAL PARTY WORKS FROM. I THINK IT'S POSSIBLY EVEN MORE CRUCIAL TO THEM THAN WHAT THEY SAY. WE'RE BOMBARDED BY IMAGES EVERY DAY - ON TELEVISION, WEBSITES, FACEBOOK, "TWITTER, FLICKR, SNAPCHAT. UNLIKE THE WRITTEN WORD, THESE IMAGES ARE ALMOST INSTANTLY ABSORBED AND INTERPRETED. SO HOW IMPORTANTARE THEY WHEN IT COMES TO SHAPING POLITICAL OPINION AND DETERMINING VOTES. AND WHO'S NAILING IT? WELL, THIS YEAR'S SEEING A SERIES OF HITS-AND-MISSES ACCORDING TO BRAND STRATEGIST, JANE CHERRINGTON, WHO'S WORKED ON A PREVIOUS LABOUR CAMPAIGN. THEY HAVE GOT DAVID IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY'VE USED BLACK AND WHITE LETTERING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT'S VERY NZ, IT'S GOT POWER IT'S GOTAUTHORITY. THAT'S ALL COOL. THE NEW SLOGAN, VOTE POSITIVE - I DID A BIT OF A STRAW POLL ON THAT ONE AROUND THE PLACE, AND IT'S GOTA BIT TOO MUCH UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT IT'S ABLE TO BE INTERPRETED AS STANDING FOR. THE GREENS' HAVE TAKEN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TACK WITH THEIR LOVE NZ ADS. THEIR BILLBOARDS ARE ASKING YOU TO ENGAGE WITH NZ-NESS WHEN THE IMAGES BEHIND DON'T CONVEY NZ-NESS. THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE - TRAFFIC; AN OIL SPILL BEING CLEANED UP. THEY'RE IMPORTANT MESSAGING, BUT THEY'VE ALSO BEEN STRIPPED OF HUMANNESS. BUT SHE SAYS NATIONAL'S GOT THE MOST PRICELESS PICTURE. THE SCORES THAT YOU REALLY GET ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE USUAL SPACE OF PLAY. TO GET ON THE COVER OF NZ RUGBY AS PACK LEADER, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WOW, AND EVERYONE'S VERY NAIVELY SAYING THAT'S NOT ELECTIONEERING. YES, IT IS. AND FROM ABS TO BABIES. PROFESSOR CLAIRE ROBINSON, WHO SPECIALISES IN THE VISUAL COMMUNICATION OF POLITICAL MESSAGES, SUGGESTS THESE CLASSIC IMAGES ARE WINNERS. THE FACT THATA POLITICIAN CAN PICK UP A BABY AND LOOK VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT, IS KIND OF THE ULTIMATE SIGN, WHEN A MOTHER GIVES OVER THEIR BABY TO A POLITICIAN, AND THEY KISS IT OR HAVE IT SQUEEZE THEIR CHEEKS OR WHATEVER; THEY'RE SAYING, 'I'M TRUSTWORTHY.' BABIES ARE BIG. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TWO IMAGES AND PUT THEM SIDE BY SIDE, I'M A LEFTIE, BUT THE NATIONAL IMAGE WITH JOHN KEY AND THE BABY IS A BIG HIT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE HIS FACE, SO YOU'VE GOT THIS BEAUTIFUL BABY, TOTALLY ENGAGED SMILING BACK, AWESOME. BUT THE PRIME MINISTER'S NOT GOT IT ALL RIGHT. THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS WHEN ARE NATIONAL GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR HOARDINGS. THEY'RE LIKE '808 THROWBACKS, AND IT'S TIME TO GET RID OF THEM. AND THAT'S NOT ALL THAT NEEDS TO GO. THERE'S THE SCARF. THERE'S A KIND OF IMPATIENCE, A TEMPORALITY ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE'S STANDING IN HIS SCARF. IT'S LIKE SAYING, 'I'M NOT HERE FOR VERY LONG; I'M A MAN IN A HURRY; I'M GOING.' BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT THIS MAN IS ON A 12-MONTH JOB INTERVIEW AND IF YOU ARE GOING INTO A JOB INTERVIEW, YOU WANT TO LOOK YOUR BEST; YOU DO NOT WEAR A SCARF TO YOUR JOB INTERVIEW. IMAGE IS EVERYTHING. BUT THE MINOR PARTY IMAGERY HAS HAD LI'I'I'LE IMPACT, OVERSHADOWED BY THE LOONY CAMPAIGN OF COLIN CRAIG. THE MEDIA LIKES TO PORTRAY COLIN AS A BIT MAD, BUT HE'S USING THAT IN HIS NEWSPAPER ADVERTISING AND HE'S SAYING PEOPLE LIKE TO CALL US CRAZY BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE POLICIES; PLEASE TAKE ME SERIOUSLY. HE'S PRETTY MUCH THE THIRD MOST COVERED POLITICIAN THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF VISUAL COVERAGE OF A POLITICIANS IN THE MEDIA, WHICH IS QUITE EXTRAORDINARY FOR A PARTY THAT IS POLLING SO LOW. AND IF I WAS ANOTHER MINOR PARTY LEADER, I'D BE REALLY MIFFED AT HOW MUCH COVERAGE HE'S GETTING. AND IT HASN'T WON HIM ANY FAVOURS WITH THE PRIME MINISTER EITHER. QUESTION IS, IF IT'LL WIN HIM VOTES. AND IT HASN'T WON HIM ANY FAVOURS YOU THINK I'M TOO BIZARRE? QUESTION IS, IF IT'LL WIN HIM VOTES. AND IT HASN'T WON HIM ANY FAVOURS YOU THINK I'M TOO BIZARRE? NO, I THINK YOU'RE TOO CARNIVAL. WHEN IT COMES TO PERSONAL IMAGE, THE GREENS SEEM TO HAVE IT SUSSED, EVEN IF IT MEANS KEEPING UP APPEARANCES AT THE BEACH. IT'S PART OF THEIR MESSAGING ABOUT THEM BEING READY TO GOVERN, BEING SERIOUS ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD SIT AROUND A CABINET TABLE AND IN THE SHOTS AND IN THE WAY THAT THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES, THEY'RE SAYING, 'TAKE US SERIOUSLY. WE ARE COMPETENT; WE ARE CREDIBLE; AND WE KNOW IT. SOMETHING SHE SAYS DAVID CUNLIFFE IS STILL WORKING ON. EVEN THOUGH WHAT THEY WANT TO COMMUNICATE IS THAT THEY'RE ROLLING UP THEIR SLEEVES TO GET DOWN AND DIRTY, ACTUALLY, AGAIN, IT'S A BIT OF A SYMBOL OF PERHAPS SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT READY, SOMEONE WHO HASN'T QUITE WORKED OUT THAT THE JOB INTERVIEWS ABOUT LOOKING LIKE YOU'RE A PRIME MINISTER. POLITICIANS WHO REALLY TAKE THEIR IMAGE SERIOUSLY OFTEN INVEST IN THE SERVICES OF CONSULTANTS LIKE SUSAN AXFORD. I THINK THEY NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THE PUBLIC VOTE ON WHAT THEY SEE ON SCREEN AND OFTEN WHAT THEY SEE ON SCREEN ARE THE SOUND BITES AND THE CLOSE-UP SHOTS, SO SMALL THINGS LIKE, UM, THE WAY THEY TIE THEIR TIE; MAKING SURE THAT THE COLLAR FITS THEM PROPERLY AT THE NECK; THE TYPE OF COLLAR THEY'VE CHOSEN TO WORK WITH THEIR CHIN; PERHAPS NEED MORE HAIRCUTS; JUST THAT WHOLE ATTENTION TO THEIR GROOMING IN DETAIL; < AND WHO NAILS IT? LAUGHS: OH. I THINK JOHN KEY ALWAYS LOOKS VERY SMARTAND QUITE A FEW OF THEM DO, AND SOME OF THE WOMEN HAVE WONDERFUL COMPETITIVE EDGE WITH THEIR COLOURFUL JACKETS. SO COULD THE LOOK OF A PARTY LEADER ACTUALLY HELP DETERMINE THE NEXT GOVERNMENT? THE RESEARCH SO FAR HAS SHOWN THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL STILL BASE THEIR VOTING CHOICES ON PARTY PREDISPOSITION - SO THAT'S WHO THEY'VE ALWAYS VOTED FOR OR HAVE A TENDENCY TO VOTE FOR - AND POLICY, AND THE LEADERSHIP IMAGE AND THE RESEARCH THATS BEEN DONE CAN SHOW THAT UP TO ONE- BETWEEN 1% AND 5% OF VOTERS MIGHT BE INFLUENCED BY JUST THEIR PERSONAL VIEWS OF A POLITICIAN. DEEP DOWN I DON'T THINK PEOPLE WOULD SAY TO YOU, 'I VOTE BECAUSE I LIKE THE LOOK OF JOHN KEY.' ALL: QELL.-- WE'LL FIND OUT IN SEVEN WEEKS. IN THE MEANTIME, KEEP YOUR EYES PEELED. APPLAUSE STILL TO COME - ENTREPRENEUR SELWYN PELLETTAND COLUMNIST FRAN O'SULLIVAN ON THE PANEL. BUT AS WE'VE SEEN FOREIGN OWNERSHIP HAS BECOME THE BIG ISSUE OF THE CAMPAIGN. THIS PRESTIGIOUS STATION IS SUPERIOR TO ANY SINGLE FARM PROPERTY EVER MARKETED IN NZ. SOLD TO THE CHINESE. SO, WHAT WILL WINSTON PETERS DO? THE NZ FIRST LEADER IS NEXT. PARLIAMENT HAS BARELY RISEN AND THE CAMPAIGN CURVEBALLS HAVE ALREADY STARTED FLYING. FOREIGN OWNERSHIP IS SUDDENLYAN ISSUE, WITH LOCHINVER STATION NEAR TAUPO UP FOR SALE. CRAFAR FARMS OWNER SHANGHAI PENGXIN HAS AN AGREEMENT TO BUY ANOTHER 13,000HA OF WHAT WAS MARKETED AS ICONIC FARMLAND, SUBJECT TO OVERSEAS INVESTMENT OFFICE APPROVAL. CONSERVATIVES LEADER COLIN CRAIG BROKE THE STORY YESTERDAY AND PROMISED TO BLOCK THE PURCHASE SHOULD HE GET INTO GOVERNMENT, BUT WHAT WOULD WINSTON DO? MR PETERS, GOOD MORNING. SHOULD HE GET INTO GOVERNMENT, BUT GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. SHOULD HE GET INTO GOVERNMENT, BUT GOOD MORNING. YOU HEARD STEVEN JOYCE THERE CALL THIS STATION A 'RIDICULOUSLY SMALL PIECE OF LAND'. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? WELL, HE DOESN'T KNOWANYTHING ABOUT THE STATION, OBVIOUSLY, OR ITS SIZE OR ADMIT THE FACT THAT SINCE HE AND MR KEY CAME TO POWER, THEY'VE SEEN SOLD UNDER THEM TO FOREIGN INTERESTS OVER A MILLION HECTARES. THAT'S SIX TIMES THE SIZE OF STEWART ISLAND. IT'S NOTA SMALL PIECE OF AREA WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. AND THIS FARM, OBVIOUSLY, AT 70,000HA IS NOT SMALL EITHER. IT'S HUGE. IT'S AN ICON, AND PEOPLE FORGET THAT BACK WHEN IT WAS BEING DEVELOPED, THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMMES, LIKE MARGINAL LOANS, WITH LOW CONCESSIONARY INTEREST RATES TO HELP THESE FARMS BEING DEVELOPED. THEY BOUGHT ON A NZ-ONLY MARKET; THEY GOT NZ TAXPAYER ASSISTANCE; AND NOW IT'S GOING TO FOREIGN INTERESTS. THIS IS A DISASTER. SO, WE KNOW YOU'RE AGAINST THE SALE, BUT IF YOU GOTANYWHERE NEAR POWER, IN SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENT ARRANGEMENT WITH EITHER SIDE, LABOUR OR NATIONAL, AFTER THIS ELECTION, WHAT WOULD YOU ACTUALLY DO? WHAT WOULD NZ FIRST DO ABOUT THIS SALE? MR GOWER, I SO BELIEVE IN THIS PRINCIPLE THAT I WALKED OUT OF A CABINETAS A DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER AND TREASURER OVER A STRATEGIC ASSET SALE TO FOREIGN INTERESTS. WHY WOULD ANYONE DOUBT MY WORD ON IT? BUT COULD YOU ACTUALLY BLOCK IT WITH THE OVERSEAS INVESTMENT OFFICE NOW? IS THIS JUST TALK? COULD YOU DO ANYTHING? NO, NO. I DON'T BELIEVE IN TALK. YOU KNOW WHAT MY CREDIBILITY OR MY BONA FIDE ON THIS IS. I WALKED OUT OF CABINET, SECOND POST IN THE COUNTRY. I AM AWARE OF THAT. HOW COULD YOU STOP THIS DEAL NOW, THOUGH? IT'S IN TRAIN. NO, NO, NO. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT REQUIRES OIO APPROVAL. THE FACT IS IT'S A RUBBER STAMP. IT'S A LONG WAY TO GO, AND IT WON'T BE APPROVED BEFORE THE ELECTION. I'M PRETTY CERTAIN OF THAT. SO A GOVERNMENT MINISTER HAS TO TICK THAT OFF? WOULD YOU GO INTO A GOVERNMENT THAT WOULD BE PREPARED TO- HAS TO TICK THAT OFF? TWO MINISTERS. WOULD YOU GO INTO A GOVERNMENT THAT IS PREPARED TO SIGN IT OFF, OR NOT? OR WOULD YOU SAY, 'I WILL NOT GO INTO A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL SIGN OFF THIS DEAL?' EVERY NZER OUT THERE THAT'S LOOKING AT THIS PROGRAMME CAN TRUST MY WORD ON THIS. NOT BECAUSE I SAY IT NOW, BUT BECAUSE I'VE DONE IT. WE WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS DEAL. OK, SO IF THAT'S NOT SIGNED; YOU'RE IN GOVERNMENT, YOU WON'T LET NATIONAL MINISTERS SIGN THIS OFF? IF WE WERE ON THE CROSSBENCHES WITH THE BALANCE OF POWER AS WELL, WE WOULD STOP THIS DEAL. SO YOU CAN STOP THIS THING? WE BELIEVE SO, YES. BUT HANG ON. ONE COROLLARY. IF THE NZ PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, THEN THEY MUST STEP UP THEMSELVES. DON'T THINK THEY CAN VOTE ANY OLD WAY- YOU WOULD DO THAT. YOU WOULD- I NEED YOU TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON THIS. YOU WOULD WITHDRAWAN OFFER OF SUPPLY OR CONFIDENCE TO A NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IF THEY WERE PREPARED TO TICK THIS OFF? YOU WOULD SAY TO THEM, 'YOU HAVE TO DECLINE THIS SALE- YOUR MINISTERS HAVE TO DECLINE THIS SALE 'OR YOU DON'T GET US ACROSS THE LINE.' YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION IS. WE ARE NOT SELLING OUR SOUL OR THIS COUNTRY'S SOUL. AND WE ARE AGAINST THIS SALE, AND WE WILL NOT BE GOING INTO ANY ARRANGEMENT WITH ANY PARTY THAT THINK THEY CAN GO ON DOING THIS. THAT'S IT. I DON'T WANNA BE WASTING MY TIME ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THE SERIOUS ISSUE HERE IS- I'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION. THE SERIOUS ISSUE IS GOD'S NOT MAKING ANY MORE LAND. NZERS ARE BEING SHUT OUT OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY. THEY CAN'T GET 2% INTEREST RATES TO BUY LOCHINVER. NO, NO. THEY'RE UPAGAINSTA HUGE COMPETITIVE INTEREST DISADVANTAGE. AND ALL THIS IS GOING ON UNDER THE GOVERNMENTS NOSE, THAT REFUSES TO KEEP A LAND AND HOME REGISTER; YOU'VE GOTA HOUSING BUBBLE HERE IN AUCKLAND; INTEREST RATES GOING UP ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND YOU THINK THE NZ PEOPLE WANT THIS TO GO ON? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I SAY - IF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WAKE UP AND FRONT UP ON ELECTION DAY, THIS DEALAND DEALS LIKE THIS AND THE KIND OF OVERSEAS BUYING THAT'S GOING ON WHOLESALE IN THIS COUNTRY WILL STOP. AND NZ FIRST WILL MAKE SURE IT DOES STOP. OK. AND QUITE A BIG WEEK FOR YOU WITH JOHN KEY KILLING OFF YOUR MAIN OPPOSITION IN COLIN CRAIG. OK. AND QUITE A BIG WEEK FOR YOU HE WASN'T. OPPOSITION IN COLIN CRAIG. OK. AND QUITE A BIG WEEK FOR YOU HE WASN'T. HE GOT THE BREAK ON YOU YESTERDAY. THIS IS THE KINDA THING YOU SHOULD BE DOING. YOU GOT IT WRONG WITH HUKA FALLS LODGE; COLIN CRAIG GOT IT RIGHT WITH THIS STATION. YOU'RE LOSING YOUR MOJO? NO, NO. JUST STOP A SECOND. WHO SAYS I GOT IT WRONG WITH HUKA LODGE? I DO. WHY DON'T YOU CALL UP MR VAN HEEREN? HAVE YOU? YOU'RE SAYING AGAIN THAT- I HAVE SOURCES THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE. YOU'RE NOT GOING BACK ON YOUR- I HAVE SOURCES THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE. YOU'RE NOT GOING BACK ON YOUR- WHY DON'T YOU CALL UP MR VAN HEEREN AND SAY, 'IS THERE A SALE TRANSACTION OFFER OUT THERE NOW OR WHAT?' OR WHY DON'T YOU LOOK IN THE BACKGROUND OF MR VAN HEEREN'S BUSINESS ENGAGEMENTS. YOU'RE STILL SAYING HUKA FALLS LODGE IS SHIFTING-? BUSINESS ENGAGEMENTS. YOU'RE STILL SAYING HUKA FALLS LODGE IS SHIFTING-? I KNOW IT'S FOR SALE. THANKS VERY MUCH, PADDY. WELL, SCHOOL'S OUT FOR OUR MPS WITH PARLIAMENT RISING ON THURSDAY NIGHT FOR THE LAST TIME BEFORE THE ELECTION. IT'S BEEN ATUMULTUOUS TERM TWO WITH NO SHORTAGE OF REVELATIONS AND RESIGNATIONS, SO OUR REPORTER TORBEN AKEL WRAPS UP ALL THE INTRIGUE OF OUR 50TH PARLIAMENT. WAGNERSRIDEOFWEVALKYRIES WHO'D HAVE THOUGHT, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, THAT THE RAID ON KIM DOTCOM WOULD SO DOMINATE THE AGENDA OF OUR 50TH PARLIAMENT AND EVEN PROVE SOMEWHAT 'APOCALYPTIC' FOR SEVERAL OF ITS MP8? WAGNERSRIDEOFWEVALKYRIES THE RAID TOOK PLACE JUST FIVE WEEKS AFTER THE NEW GOVERNMENT WAS SWORN IN, AND WITHIN MONTHS THE BACKWASH BEGAN. FIRST, JOHN BANKS WAS OUTED OVER HIS NOT-SO-ANONYMOUS DONATIONS. THEN REVELATIONS OF ILLEGAL SPYING BY THE PREVIOUSLY OBSCURE GCSB. OF COURSE IAPOLOGISE TO MR DOTCOM. I APOLOGISE TO NZERS. A SPIN-OFF INQUIRY GOT ALARM BELLS RINGING OVER THE MONITORING OF REPORTERS... I THINK IT'S DEEPLY DISTURBING. ...AND PROMPTED ANOTHER MINISTERIAL RESIGNATION. I CANNOT RATIONALLY EXPLAIN WHY THINGS HAPPENED THE WAY THEY DID. KEY HAD A BRAIN-FADE, TOO, OVER HIS CONTACT WITH IAN FLETCHER BEFORE HE BECAME BOSS OF THE GCSB... I CAN'T RECALL PARTICULAR OCCASIONS. ...BUT WAS ADAMANT HE'D NOT HEARD OF DOTCOM UNTIL JUST BEFORE THAT RAID TOOK PLACE. YOU KNOWI KNOW. I KNOW YOU DON'T YOU. I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY, BUT THAT'S FINE. WHY ARE YOU TURNING RED, PRIME MINISTER? FINE. WHY ARE YOU TURNING RED, PRIME MINISTER? I'M NOT. WHYARE YOU SWEATING? IT'S HOT" AND JUST WHEN WE THOUGHT IT COULDN'T GET ANY STRANGER THAN THAT, THE ALLEGED PIRATE TURNED TO POLITICS, AND POURED MILLIONS INTO DEFEATING NATIONAL. KEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HEARD OF DOTCOM UNTIL THAT FATEFUL RAID, BUT YOU CAN BET HE NOW WISHES HE NEVER HAD, AT ALL. IT'LL REMAIN AT LEAST 51% GOVERNMENT OWNED. THE OTHER BIG STORY OF THE TERM WAS THE BATTLE OVER STATE ASSETS. THE GOVERNMENT SAID IT HAD WON A MANDATE IN THE ELECTION AND FOLLOWED THAT UP WITH WIN IN THE SUPREME COURT TOO. AFTER WHICH, THE SELL-OFF BEGAN... # I NEED A DOLLAR, DOLLAR. A DOLLAR IS WHAT I NEED. ...DESPITE A PETITION AND A REFERENDUM SHOWING TWO-THIRDS OF VOTERS WERE OPPOSED. THE TOTAL RAISED WAS ALMOST $4.7 BILLION - BELOW WHAT WAS INITIALLY PREDICTED, BUT ENOUGH TO COVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S DEFICIT AND SET US UP FORA SURPLUS NEXT YEAR. NATIONAL'S BIGGEST SUCCESS OF THE TERM. THAT, AND THE ONGOING POPULARITY OF BRAND KEY. I THINK THEY LIKE YOU, JOHN. THANKS VERY MUCH. I LIKE THEM TOO. I LOVE YOU GUYS. OF COURSE, NATIONAL'S HAD A FEW BOGEYS TOO. WE ARE REVERSING THE DECISION IN RESPECT OF CLASS RATIOS. I HONESTLY CAN'T RECALL TWO YEARS AGO WHY I SIGNED THAT LETTER OUT. TODAY I'M NOT SURRENDERING; I'M RETREATING. I HAD A VERY BAD DAY ON SUNDAY. I CAN'T JUSTIFY IT. I MADE A MISTAKE. I'VE RESIGNED. BUT THE 50TH PARLIAMENTS HARDLY BEEN KIND TO THOSE IN THE LABOUR PARTY TOO. FIRST, THE WORST ELECTION RESULT UNDER MMP... I WILL BE RESIGNING FROM THE POSITION OF LEADERSHIP EFFECTIVE FROM TUESDAY. ...THEN 18 MONTHS OF BACK-STABBING... WHEN DAVID CUNLIFFE HAS A SHAVE, BE WORRIED. ...AND NAVEL-GAZING... THE PROPOSAL IS BASICALLY TO PUT MORE WOMEN UP. ...BEFORE DAVID SHEARER'S DAY FROM HELL. MR SHEARER SAID, 'KEEP THIS CONFIDENTIAL. 'IF YOU COME OUT AND SAY WE'VE DONE IT, THAT WON'T LOOK GOOD.' THE LEADERSHIP CONTEST DISHED UP SOME GREAT ONE-LINERS... HE NOT THE PRIME MINISTER. HE THE PRIME MONSTER. ...BUT ULTIMATELY UNDERSCORED THE PARTY'S DEEP DMSIONS. LABOUR DID MANAGE TO NOTCH UP SOME SUCCESSES, CHIEF AMONG THEM, THE GAY MARRIAGE ACTAND TWO BY-ELECTION VICTORIES. AS FOR THE SMALLER PARTIES, IT'D BEEN A GREAT GENERAL ELECTION RESULT FOR TWO OF THEM. THE BEST EVER, IN FACT, FOR THE GREENS AND THE RETURN OF NZ FIRST. BUT WHILE TEAM GREEN WAS AS TIGHT AS EVER, WINSTON'S LINE-UP SOON STARTED WOBBLING. ONE MP WENT TO WOGISTAN; THE OTHER TO THE BACKBENCHES. PETERS, MEANWHILE, WAS CLEARLY OUT TO PROVE HE HADN'T LOST HIS MOJO WHILE IN EXILE... < ORDER! ...TAKING FIRST PRIZE FOR THE MOST TIMES KICKED OUT OF THE CHAMBER THIS TERM... THE MEMBER WILL LEAVE THE CHAMBER. ...ALONG WITH TREVOR MALLARD, WITH FIVE APIECE. I WILL NOT WITHDRAW THE TRUTH. PERMANENT DEPARTURES FROM THE HOUSE - THERE WERE A FEW - THE SPEAKER WHO LIKED TO SING, THE BRAT PACK'S BEST DRESSED, AND FIVE OF THE BEST MAORI MPS, INCLUDING PAREKURA HOROMIA. MOE MAI RA. BUT IT'S ARGUABLY JOHN BANKS' DISHONOURABLE EXIT THAT'LL BE REMEMBERED LONGEST. FOR THIS WAS THE TERM WHEN THE CAREER OF ONE OF OUR MOST EXPERIENCED MPS WAS SHOT DOWN BY A GERMAN CALLED KIM. WELL, IT'S BEEN QUITEATERM, PATTY, BUT HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO MATTER ATAN ELECTION? WELL, NOT, ACTUALLY. A LOT OF SIDE SHOWS THERE. I THINK WE REALLY WILL GET BACK TO THE ISSUES NOW, AND WE SAWA BIG ONE BREAK THIS MORNING, QUITE CLEARLY. WELL, WE CAN DEBATE ALL OF THAT WITH FRAN O'SULLIVAN AND SELWYN PELLETI' IN A MINUTE. BUT STRAIGHT AFTER THE BREAK - POLITICS IN 6O SECONDS. I LIKE THE SOUND OF THAT. SATIRE WITH JEREMY CORBETI' AND PAUL EGO. WELL, THE BIG QUESTION THIS WEEK - WHO WILL GET TO FORM A COALITION WITH CLIFF CURTIS? CERTAINLY NOT WINSTON PETERS. HE'S MADE IT QUITE CLEAR HE WON'T MAKE A DEAL WITH A RACE-BASED PARTY. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, MR CURTIS ALWAYS PLAYS A COLOMBIAN-ARABIGMEXICAN-AMERICAN CHECHEN. MR CURTIS ALWAYS PLAYS A OH, SORRY, MATE. THIS IS GOOD. CHECHEN. MR CURTIS ALWAYS PLAYS A OH, SORRY, MATE. THIS IS GOOD. YOU'RE LATE. YEAH, I KNOW I'M LATE. I NEARLY DIDN'T MAKE IT HERE AT ALL. I HAD TO BYPASS SECURITY AND USE THE SIDE DOOR. AREN'T YOU THE HEAD OF SECURITY? WELL, THAT'S HOW I KNEW ABOUT THE SIDE DOOR. WELL, THE BIG QUESTION THIS WEEK - HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE TO MAKE A COLIN CRAIG PARODY WEBSITE? I TELL YOU WHAT, THOUGH. HE IS A GREATADVERT FOR HIS MUM, ISN'T HE? HE'S RAKE THIN. SHE WOULD BE STOKED. I TELL YOU WHAT, THOUGH. HE IS A I DON'T THINK HIS MUM'S JENNY CRAIG. HE'S RAKE THIN. SHE WOULD BE STOKED. I TELL YOU WHAT, THOUGH. HE IS A I DON'T THINK HIS MUM'S JENNY CRAIG. OF COURSE SHE IS. ACTUALLY, CAN YOU GIVE ME A LIFT HOME WHEN WE'RE FINISHED? WHERE DO YOU LIVE? HOME WHEN WE'RE FINISHED? WHERE DO YOU LIVE? EAST COAST BAYS. NO, MATE. I CAN'T. I'M NOTATAXI SERVICE. WHAT ABOUTA CUP OF TEA? I DON'T HAVE TIME. I'VE GOT TO DROP OFF DAVID AND PETER. YOU MIND IF WE MAKE THIS SHOW? WHAT IS THIS SHOW ANYWAY? IT'S CALLED POLITICS IN 60 SECONDS, RIGHT? IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ELECTION, IN A MINUTE. SO... OH, THE ELECTION! RIGHT? IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ELECTION, IN A MINUTE. SO... OH, THE ELECTION! RIGHT? IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ELECTION, OH, I LOVE THOSE. SO... OH, THE ELECTION! RIGHT? IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ELECTION, SEPTEMBER. OH, NEXT YEAR. THIS YEAR. OH, NEXT YEAR. THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR?! OH, NEXT YEAR. THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR?! YEAH. AND JEREMY AND PAUL WILL BE JOINING US FOR 6O SECONDS EVERY WEEK BETWEEN NOWAND ELECTION DAY AND I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED THEY MIGHT DO ME OUT OF A JOB. BUT NOW I'M JOINED BY TODAY'S PANEL, PADDY WITH ME, ALONGSIDE TECH BUSINESSMAN AND INVESTOR SELWYN PELLETI', WHO IS ALSO A PAST DONOR TO THE LABOUR PARTY AND NZ HERALD COLUMNIST FRAN O'SULLIVAN. GOOD MORNING TO YOU ALL. THE DEBATE - STEVEN JOYCE AND GRANT ROBERTSON. WHAT DID WE THINK OF THE TONE OF THAT CONVERSATION, AND THE WAY THEY INTERACTED WITH EACH OTHER? FRAN? DISAPPOINTING. THEY DIDN'T REALLY INTERACT. THEY TALKED OVER EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME. THOUGH I GUESS THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A BIT OF SETTLING DOWN FROM SOMEWHERE IN THE INTER REGNUM PERIOD BECAUSE THEY WERE A BIT MORE CMLISED IN THE SECOND SECTION OF THE DEBATE. BUT- LISA HAD TO BRING THINGS UNDER CONTROL, FRAN, I CAN TELL YOU. IN THE BREAK ITACTUALLY WENT A BIT FURTHER, DIDN'T IT, LISA? YEAH, IN THE BREAK, STEVEN JOYCE SAID TO GRANT, 'YOU'RE JUST AN ANGRY LITTLE MAN.' AND THE RESPONSE WAS, 'GET OUTTA MY FACE.' SO, I MEAN, IS THIS GAME ON HERE? ARE WE IN ELECTION MODE? I THINK WHAT WE WERE SEEING IS THE START OF SOME TENSION BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES. THERE'S A BIG ISSUE IN THERE. THERE WAS A REALLY DMSIVE ISSUE. THEY BOTH WANTED TO COME IN AND GET ON TOP OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SALE OF THIS STATION. AND THEY EXPLODED. THEY REALLY DID EXPLODE. I WATCH THESE GUYS A LOT. SELWYN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? POLITICS ASIDE, I THINK IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING. THE COUNTRY NEEDS TO DEBATE THESE ISSUES. AND I THINK THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO LAY THE ISSUES ON THE TABLE AND HAVE A SENSIBLE DEBATE. I THINK THE PUBLIC WAS SHORT-CHANGED BY THAT INTERCHANGE. SO, LET'S GET INTO THE BIG ISSUES. HOW DO YOU SEE US AS A NATION GETTING WEALTHY? ARE EITHER OF THOSE GUYS ON THE RIGHT TRACK? AGAIN, POLITICS ASIDE, THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM, LOWEST COST PRODUCER AND USING COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE OF GRASS AND WATER AND OUR LARGE LAND AREA, IS LITERALLYA RACE TO THE BOTTOM. YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH LOW WAGES, LESS AND LESS PEOPLE ON THE FARMS. WE INVESTABOUT 6.5 MILLION - THE AVERAGE FARM'S ABOUT 6.5 MILLION, AND PRODUCES THREE JOBS. NO, THAT IS NOT A WAY THAT NZ'S GOING TO GET WEALTHY. AND EVEN IF IT WAS, WHY WOULD WE SELL THE FARMS TO FOREIGN INTERESTS? BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE GOOSE THAT LAID THE GOLDEN EGG, WHY WOULD YOU SELL IT? FRAN? YEAH, I ACCEPT THAT VIEW, BUT I THINK SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE IS AN ABILITY TO LEVERAGE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, PERSONALLY, CHANGES MADE TO THE FOREIGN INVESTMENT REGIME TO ACTUALLY REQUIRE A BIT MORE LIKE AUSTRALIA'S STARTING TO DO. THAT, IF YOU BUY LAND CAPACITY, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY OWNED OUTRIGHT; IT MIGHT BE IN A JV WITH LOCAL INTERESTS; THAT PRODUCTION CAPACITY HAS TO BE PLACED IN NZ AS WELL. IT'S NOT JUST SHIPPING OUT COMMODITIES. AND WHATS REALLY INTERESTING IS, OF COURSE, THAT THE MAJOR SCAPEGOAT IN THAT ARENA IS ACTUALLY OUR OWN LARGEST COMPANY, FONTERRA. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE INVESTMENTS FROM CHINA'S SIDE THAT HAVE COME IN HERE, THEY HAVE BROUGHT IN PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY, PUTTING IN UHT PLANTS, PUTTING IN INFANT FORMULA PLANTS, AND EVEN WITH PENGXIN, THEY HAVE DONE A DEAL WITH MIRAKA, THE MAORI COMPANY IN THE TAUPO AREA, AND THEY ARE GOING TO CREATE NEW JOBS AND NEW PRODUCT OUT OF THERE. I THINK THE BIG THING IS WHAT THE STATE HAS IS IT HAS THE POWER TO LEVERAGE ITS ABILITY BUT EITHER SAYING YAY OR NAY TO AN INVESTMENT TO ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT THIS VERY VALUABLE PROPERTY, WHICH IS LAND AND ARABLE LAND, IS LEVERAGED IN OUR INTERESTS, AND YOU CAN DO THAT. AND I THINK WE'VE JUST GOT TO BE A WEE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT IT. I THINK AN INTERESTING POINT THAT CAME UP, AND YOU RAISED IT, WAS IN OUR CALLS YESTERDAY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING INTO THIS, I SPOKE TO SOME CONTACTS IN TUWHARETOA AND SOME OF THE OTHER IWl DOWN THERE BASICALLY SAYING THAT BUYING THE STATION WAS OUT OF THEIR LEAGUE. EVEN IWI WHO HAVE CASH RESERVES JUST SAYING THE STATION IS WAY TOO BIG; WE CAN'T AFFORD IT; WE CAN'T GET INTO THE GAME HERE. UM, WHAT DID YOU GUYS MAKE OF THAT IN TERMS OF-? IS IT ONLY CHINA, FRAN, THAT CAN GET THESE BIG FARMS? WELL, MY OPINION IS THAT OTHER COUNTRIES WITH MORE WEALTH, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW THEY CREATED THAT WEALTH, WITH MORE WEALTH CAN TAKE LONGER TERM BETS ABOUT BUILDING A VERTICALLY INTEGRATED SUPPLY CHAIN, AND WE'RE PART OF THAT. WE'RE THE RAW MATERIALS FOR THAT VERTICALLY INTEGRATED SUPPLY CHAIN. IF YOU'RE A NZ INVESTOR, AND BASICALLY WE'RE CASH POOR, WE HAVE TO GENERATE AN INCOME FROM OUR CASH VERY QUICKLY, AND SO WE CAN'T TAKE THESE LONGER TERM BETS. THAT MEANS, OVER TIME, WE WILL TEND TO LOSE MORE AND MORE OF THAT CAPACITY. SO WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT, THEN? WHATS THE ANSWER? OK, SO WE HAVE TO GENERATE HIGHER-VALUE JOBS, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT A WAY OF EXPLAINING THIS. BUT IF YOU WERE TRYING TO WIN YOUR LOCAL RUGBY GAME, IT'S PRETTY EASY. SO THAT'S LOW-VALUE RUGBY. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO WIN AS ALL BLACKS AND BECOME WORLD CHAMPIONS, YOU HAVE TO CREATE ALL SORTS OF CAPABILITY THROUGH THAT VALUE CHAIN. AND THAT'S WHAT- NZ UNDERSTAND RUGBY, BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO BUILD HIGH-VALUE BUSINESSES. AND SO WE TAKE A FREE-MARKET APPROACH, AND WE SAY, 'SELWYN, YOU'RE AN ENTREPRENEUR, 'GO OUT THERE AND DO IT ALL YOURSELF.' WELL, IT DOESN'T- IT'S NOT THAT EASY. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUILD ALL THE SYSTEMS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE INNOVATION CHAIN TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THESE HIGH-VALUE COMPANIES. AND THE INTERESTING THING IS, AND IF YOU START LOOKING AT THESE HIGH-VALUE COUNTRIES WHETHER IT'S SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND, NORWAY, WHATEVER - THEY ALSO HAVE THE HIGHEST SURPLUSES AND THEREFORE THEY'RE BECOMING THE RICH COUNTRIES. THEREFORE, THEY HAVE THE HIGH WAGES, THEREFORE... SO IF YOU DO NOT TAKE THAT PATH, YOU ARE CHOOSING TO HAVE A LOW-WAGE ECONOMY. I WANNAASK FRAN ABOUT THE REGIONS. COULD I ASK YOU ABOUT THAT? WHO WAS RIGHT ABOUT THAT? ARE THEY STRUGGLING OUT IN THE REGIONS? IS IT GANGBUSTERS AUCKLAND AND CHRISTCHURCH, OR WITHERING? AUCKLAND'S BEEN UNDER PRESSURE, AND SOME OF THE REGIONS ARE DOING REASONABLY WELL. AND I THINK THERE IS THE CAPACITY TO MAKE SURE THEY DO WELL, BECAUSE AUCKLAND'S GOT OVERPRICED. IT'S GOT OVERPRICED WITH HOUSING. IT STILL HAS TRANSPORT PROBLEMS. IN SOME WAYS, IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE FOR BUSINESSES TO RELOCATE INTO THE REGIONS AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE MORE COMFORTABLY. AND I'M SURPRISED NOT MORE OF IT'S HAPPENING, AND I THINK WE'LL START TO SEE A TREND. JUST COMING BACK TO THE ISSUE OF GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAINS... THERE'S BEEN SOME VERY INTERESTING WORK DONE BY CORIOLIS IN NZ LOOKING AT DAIRYING, THE INFANT FORMULA AND UHT MARKETS. WE'RE UNDERCAPITALISED, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS, AND SO PART OF THE POLICY RESPONSE IS TO LOOK AT LEVERAGING FOREIGN INVESTMENT, BUT DOING IT IN AWAY WHERE WE GET MUCH MORE OF THE VALUE COMING BACK TO NZ, AND JUST, BASICALLY, AS I SAID BEFORE, LEVERAGE THAT ASSET THAT WE DO HAVE, WHICH IS THE LAND. LOTS OF OTHER PLACES, THEY'VE JUST RUINED THAT ASSET. I WANT TO GO TO PADDY NOW. YOU HAVE GOT A STORY THATS COME ACROSS YOUR DESK THIS MORNING - LABOUR AND MANA-INTERNET. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? EXACTLY. I MEAN, WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS AN EMAIL THAT SHOWS THAT THE LABOUR HEAD OFFICE HAS TOLD ITS TEAM UP IN TE TAITOKERAU, EFFECTIVELY BLOCKING AN ATTEMPT BY THEM TO HAVE AN ANTI-KIM DOTCOM AND HONE HARAWIRAWEBSITE, SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T FIT WITH OUR OVERALL NARRATIVE OF 'VOTE POSITIVE' AND WORKING WITH INTERNET-MANA ON THE PROGRESSIVE SIDE OF THINGS. SO STOPPING A NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE HONE HARAWIRA-INTERNET DEAL RUN BY THE CANDIDATE KELVIN DAVIS; THEIR HEAD OFFICE BLOCKING IT. SO NO FORMAL AGREEMENT, BUT PLAYING NICE IN THE SAND PIT. WE WILL TAKE A QUICK BREAK NOW, BUT WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE SHORTLY. DO STAY WITH US. TECH ENTREPRENEUR SELWYN PELLETI', AND HERALD COLUMNIST FRAN O'SULLIVAN. TALK ON THE MINIMUM WAGE THERE, SELWYN. GRANT ROBERTSON SAYS IF WE WANNA GET WEALTHIER, WE NEED TO PAY PEOPLE MORE, AN EXTRA TWO BUCKS AN HOUR FOR THE MINIMUM WAGE. MR JOYCE SAYS WE WILL LOSE JOBS. WHERE DO YOU SIT ON THAT? THE TRUTH IS HALFWAY IN BETWEEN. BUT THE ISSUE IS MY SPENDING IS YOUR INCOME, IF YOU'RE AN INTEGRATED ECONOMY. MY SPENDING IS YOUR INCOME; AND YOUR SPENDING IS MY INCOME; SO THE NARRATIVE THAT STEVEN JOYCE HAS ROLLED OUT BEFORE IS THE GUY IN THE COFFEE SHOP, IF HE PAYS MORE WAGES, SUDDENLY HE HAS TO MAKE PEOPLE REDUNDANT. BUT, OF COURSE, THE PUNTERS COMING IN TO BUY THE COFFEE HAVE GOT MORE MONEY IN THEIR POCKET, SO IT'S BALANCE. IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT JOBS. YEAH, IT'S DIFFERENT JOBS, BUT JUST TAKING STEVEN ON ONE ISSUE. IF HIGHER WAGES COST US JOBS, THEN SURELY HE WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUTA HIGH EXCHANGE RATE, BECAUSE THATS LIFTING THE WAGES OF MY EMPLOYEES RELATIVE TO MY END MARKET. AND THAT'S COSTING MORE JOBS, AND IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW, JOBS ARE DISAPPEARING HAND OVER FIST UNDER A HIGH DOLLAR. PADDY, DO YOU THINK THAT LABOUR MOVED QUICK ENOUGH WITH THIS, ANNOUNCING THIS POLICY - UP TWO BUCKS AN HOUR? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I THINK WE SAW THERE IN THE DEBATE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM IT'S A CLEAR DMDING LINE BETWEEN NATIONALAND LABOUR, BUT THERE'S ABOUT 300,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE ON OR NEAR THE MINIMUM WAGE, ABOUT 100,000 ON IT, ABOUT 200,000 MORE ON OR NEAR IT. LABOUR SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS POLICY OUT IN THE POLITICAL MARKETPLACE BACK IN JANUARY. DAVID CUNLIFFE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GOING UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY. IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO WORK OUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND ABOUT $16.25 AN HOUR. TOO SLOW INTO THE POLITICAL MARKETPLACE, TOO LATE. NOT MUCH COVERAGE THIS WEEK. LABOUR HAVE REALLY DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS ONE. FRAN, WHAT'S THE PULSE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY? DO THEY HAVE THIS MONEY SITTING THERE? WELL, AGAIN, IAGREE WITH SELWYN. IT'S HORSES FOR COURSES. OBVIOUSLY, SOME BIGGER BUSINESSES, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SWALLOW THINGS AND MARGINS, BUT IT MAY BE DEAL-BREAKER FOR, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE COFFEE SHOP IN THE BUILDING I'M AT, WHICH HAS JUST GOTA FEW PEOPLE WORKING THERE, NOT MUCH CUSTOMER BASE, AND A FAIRLY COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT, SO THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY ABOUT THAT. SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. I THINK THERE IS ROOM FOR GIVE AND TAKE, BUT ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, TO GET TO THAT HIGHER-WAGE ECONOMY, IT'S SKILLS, IT'S TRAINING AS PRODUCTMTY INCREASES, AND THE RIGHT INDUSTRY. OTHER ECONOMIES HAVE ACTUALLY USED LIFTING THE MINIMUM WAGE TO DRIVE HIGHER-VALUE BUSINESSES. SO IT CAN BE A DELIBERATE ECONOMIC STRATEGY THATA GOVERNMENT CAN DEPLOY TO PROGRESSIVELY LIFT THE MINIMUM WAGE, AND WHAT IT DRIVES IS HIGHER-VALUE COMPANIES. I THINK ONE THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, THOUGH, TOO IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HELPS PLAY INTO THE LOWER-WAGE ECONOMYAND HAS REALLY STOPPED THE PUSH FOR HIGHER WAGES IS WORKING FOR FAMILIES - THE TAX CREDIT SLUSH FUND, IF YOU LIKE, THAT'S GONE ROUND, AND MADE SURE THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAN LIVE. I MEAN, THE WAGES IS PART OF IT, BUT THERE'S A BIG AMOUNT FROM THE STATE THAT DOES HELP LIFT YOU UP IF YOU ARE ON THE BONES OF THE PROVERBIAL AND NEED TO SUPPORT A FAMILY. NOW, WE HAD WINSTON PETERS IN HERE TODAY. HE WAS SAYING, QUITE CLEARLY THERE, HE WOULD WITHDRAW CONFIDENCE AND SUPPLY FROM ANY GOVERNMENT HE WAS INVOLVED IN IF THEY WERE GOING TO SELL OFF MORE FARMS LIKE LOCHINVER. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT LOCHINVER AS WELL. AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE, YOU NEED TWO MINISTERS' SIGNATURES ON AN OIO APPROVAL, SO IF THIS THING HASN'T GONE THROUGH BY THE TIME WINSTON PETERS GETS IN THERE AND MAYBE GETS SOMEWHERE NEAR THE LEVERS OF POWER HE CAN EASILY SAY IN THE POSITION THERE, 'I WILL NOT GO WITH YOU 'IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT YOUR SIGNATURE ON THE DOTTED LINE THERE.' AND IT GIVES HIM QUITE A GOOD ONE. IT'S BEEN QUITEAWEAPON FOR HIM. GOOD TIMING. GOOD TIMING, ISN'T IT? IT'S LIKE SOMETHING IN THE STARS ALIGNS FOR WINSTON PETERS. IT'S INTERESTING THAT COLIN CRAIG BROKE IT, BUT WINSTON'S THE ONE WITH A BIT MORE STREET CRED, AND HE'LL LEVERAGE IT FASTER THAN COLIN CAN. SPEAKING OF COLIN CRAIG, NO DEAL FOR COLIN CRAIG. BUTAN OLIVE BRANCH TO WINSTON. WHAT DO YOU TWO MAKE OF THE DEALS? IT'S INTERESTING, AND JOHN KEY WILL BE WONDERING IF THAT OLIVE BRANCH HAS ALREADY BEEN SNAPPED OFF A BIT. NO, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR BOTH SIDES TO START TO THINK ABOUT THIS. I MEAN, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH DOTCOM INTERNET-MANA, LABOUR, ALL THE REST. SUDDENLYA GROUPING ON THE OTHER SIDE CAN START TO LOOKA BIT MORE DIFFERENT, SHALL WE SAY, MORE STABLE. SO IT WORKS VERY WELL FOR BOTH PARTIES TO START TO THINK ABOUT THAT. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE WHOLE COAT-TAILING THING AND MAKING DEALS? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY ADVICE WAS TO LABOUR, AND THAT IS 'BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU DO, 'BECAUSE ACTUALLY, YOU'RE UNDERMINING A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.' AND THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IS ACTUALLY MM P. AND SO, WE KNOW THE NATIONAL PARTY lSN'TA BIG SUPPORTER OF MMP. THEY'VE COME OUT PUBLICALLY AND TALKED AGAINST IT. SO IF NATIONAL UNDERMINES MMP, NOTA BIG DEAL. IF LABOUR UNDERMINES MMP, IT'S A BIG DEAL. SO I THINK IT'S WRONG. AND I THINK LABOUR HAS NOT GONE FAR ENOUGH BY NOT RULING OUT WORKING WITH INTERNET-MANA AFTER THE ELECTION. IT LOOKS LIKE A DOUBLE STANDARD TO PEOPLE. THEY'VE GOTA CHANCE HERE TO HAMMER NATIONAL ON THOSE DEALS IN OHARIU AND EPSOM, BUT NOT RULING OUT AND USING INTERN ET-MANA LEAVES THEM VVITH A DOUBLE STANDARD. THIS ALLIANCE BETWEEN MANAAND INTERNET COULD BREAK AFTER THE ELECTION. THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE ALREADY SEE HERE, IN THESE EMAILS, THAT PEOPLE IN LABOUR DON'T LIKE THE DEAL. THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING. LETS LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT BE MAKING NEWS NEXT WEEK. THE CAMPAIGN LAUNCH SEASON HAS BEGUN, WITH LABOURAND NZ FIRST GETTING THE BALLOONS AND STREAMERS OUT NEXT WEEKEND. LATER TODAY, THE INTERNET-MAMA ROAD TRIP HITS THE RATANA CHURCH, THE RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT THAT'S USUALLY LINKED WITH LABOUR. THE LATEST UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES ARE OUT ON WEDNESDAY. AND EXPECT MORE OPPOSITION POLICY ANNOUNCEMENTS. LABOUR ON SMALL BUSINESS AND HEALTH. AND TWO BIG LAUNCHES FROM THE GREENS. AND HERE ON THE NATION, WE HAVE A SIX-PARTY DEBATE IN STORE FOR YOU. THE LEADERS OF THE GREENS, MAORI PARTY, NZ FIRST, MANA, ACT AND UNITED FUTURE WILL BE LIVE. HOPEFULLY THEY'RE A BIT CALMER THAN THE GUYS TODAY. BUT THAT- BUT THAT'S ALL FROM US FOR TODAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THANKS FOR BEING WITH US. DO HAVE A GREAT WEEK. CAPTIONSBYHUGOSEL. WWW.ABLE.OO.NZ CAPTIONS WERE MADE POSSIBLE WITH FUNDING FROM NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT ABLE 2014