1 Tonight on Sunday ` a body taken in the dead of night. Who does that? Who comes and takes a body? When Maori custom collides with the law. I'll never forgive them for what they did. After seven years fighting, will they get their father back? Bring it on. The only way you're gonna get through that gate is to put a bullet in my head. The ultimate betrayal. Attacked and left to die. I remember saying to Vicky, 'If I don't make it, just look after the kids.' But who was the hit man? It sends shivers down my spine, mm, knowing the person you loved and treasured organised to kill you. So, for that dinner, that was 350 calories. And what you eat,... 116 calories. ...your sleep,... Last night was a good night's sleep. ...even your thoughts... It shows what my brainwaves are doing as I'm working. ...all tracked and measured online. Sounds like Big Brother, except the monitor is you. You think that's weird, don't you? You think that's weird, don't you? LAUGHTER Copyright Able 2014 Kia ora. I'm Miriama Kamo. Is it body snatching or is it a valid cultural practice? The practice of claiming a body to return it to its spiritual home. It happened to the body of comedian Billy T James. When it happened to Jim Takamore, taken from Christchurch back to the North Island, his Pakeha partner vowed to get him back. Denise Clarke didn't know the fight that would go on for years. A fight which ` until this week ` she thought she'd won. Here's Janet McIntyre. OMINOUS MUSIC In the eerie morning darkness, deep in Tuhoe country, a confrontation is brewing. I don't really know what to expect. There's just a little bit of fear in the back of my mind that this could all turn... terribly hostile. A battle over a body buried in sacred soil. Bring it on. The only way you're going to get through that gate is put a bullet in my head. Do you have a sense that it really is gonna happen? > Do you have a sense that it really is gonna happen? > Yes. Yes, definitely. We've waited long enough. Seven years is a bloody long time. But will it happen? The word is no, and it will still be no in the next 10 years, because we rule here, not your judge, not your court, not your laws. It's our law here. < What do you think your father would have made of all this? At the start, he would have probably thought it was a bit of a joke. Like, 'Why so much hoo-ha over me?' You know? 'I'm just a dude. I'm just a man, nothing special. 'I'm just Jim.' Just Jim Takamore. According to his son, Jamie, a straight up, 'shorts and jandals' kind of guy. 'Why is this fuss over me? And honestly, why am I wearing bloody pants in my coffin?' (CHUCKLES) He hated pants so bad. And by all accounts, he would have hated this ` the seven-year battle over his body, snatched from one island, buried in another. His legacy lost in court cases, hostility, threats of violence and heartache. (SOBS) It's important for me for the kids. (SNIFFLES) They need to have somewhere they can go to see him. POIGNANT MUSIC Hold my hand if you want. Jamie hopes it will be here ` a cemetery in Christchurch, where an empty plot is waiting. When Granddad is actually here, and you can pick a flower if you want. This was his home. I want him here. I know he'd want to be here. You know what I mean? Jim died suddenly ` an aneurysm at 55. He collapsed during a funeral and was rushed to hospital. SIREN WAILS A couple of doctors came into the room and... and told us he was gone. MONITOR BEEPS STEADILY MONITOR BEEPS CONTINUOUSLY I didn't have long enough to say anything. It just happened so fast. GENTLE GUITAR MUSIC Jim, a school caretaker, had lived with Denise Clarke in Christchurch for 20 years, raising their children, Jamie and Jenna. MUSIC CONTINUES But he was originally from Kutarere in the eastern Bay of Plenty. To me, he didn't seem terribly close to his family. He was more like a Pakeha Maori, you know? He didn't have an awful lot to do with the Maori side of things. Did he talk about his tribe? Did he talk about his tribe? No, no. He didn't know what tribe we were from when we both ` me and my sister ` asked. I had no idea what tribe we were from until they came down to take his body. You're not curious to know more about where you come from? I'm probably the opposite now. I don't want to know anything about it, honestly. What I know about it has put me off it, if that makes sense. Jim's body lay on a marae in Christchurch as Denise began organising a funeral, and as Jim had requested, a burial, never anticipating what was ahead when whanau arrived from the Bay of Plenty. Then we all sat down, and next minute I was in complete shock. Josephine, the oldest sister, sat down and started yelling, almost screaming, saying 'We are here for one reason and one reason only,...' and I remember this vividly in my mind, '...to take him back home.' It got real heated just instantly. A light or a switch got flicked, and it's just instant anger. Part of the gathering moved outside. All I could hear was just intense abuse. 'F this', 'F you', 'get the F off this land', 'I'll effing hit you', and all this stuff. So I'm sitting in here trying to argue that he's staying here, thinking, 'What the hell?' So it all got way too much, way too much. < What were they saying about why they wanted to take him? Um,... he's from there. He was born there. His family ties are there. It would kill his mother if he wasn't buried up there. But what happened next was the flashpoint. Tired and distressed, Denise and Jamie decided they'd had enough and went home, leaving Jim's body on the marae. Unbeknown to them, that was a breach of Maori custom ` tikanga ` lore that says a body should never be left. And the visiting relatives were under instructions from their kaumatua in the north. Under tikanga, if they're left alone, lift them up, wait till after midnight, and if they don't come back, lift him up and bring him home, and they did. Were they upset that you left the marae? Were they upset that you left the marae? Yes, they were. They were upset. But I don't know how they would expect us to stay there under` yeah, no, after a huge argument with them. I didn't even want to be in the same room with them. By the time they found out he was gone, they were already in Foxton. Up next ` battle lines are drawn at Kutarere. Your argument isn't with me. But whose law will rule? You have no jurisdiction. We are the law lords of this whenua. TENSE MUSIC ENGINE STARTS Jim Takamore's body was now in the back of a van, heading out of Christchurch, north to the Bay of Plenty. I was just in complete shock. Oh, I thought, 'Well, how could they do that?' I mean, they knew that we were coming back there. We told them the night before. I mean, why would I not go back there? And I'm thinking, 'This is a really stupid story to explain to the police.' Like, 'My dad's body's just been stolen. Can you please help me?' (SCOFFS) But the police couldn't help. And a couple of days later, his whanau were burying Jim in a Maori cemetery at Kutarere, near Whakatane, alongside his relatives. If you have a spiritual homeland, that is where you ought to be buried, under tikanga Maori. It is a place that has been set aside and has mana. Uh, and it certainly is the appropriate place for James to lie. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) Professor Pou Temara, a lecturer in Maori tikanga at Waikato University ` Tuhoe himself ` says this case is about a clash of tikanga or Maori lore ` L-O-R-E ` and the law of the land ` the L-A-W. Are you saying it's all right that they came and got this body? Are you saying it's all right that they came and got this body? It's a normal practice. It's a normal practice to come and request the body. So how does this tikanga stand up against the law as the rest of us know it? Well, I think you've struck the nub of the problem. Um,... no one has ever challenged, uh, tikanga in the law. But over seven years, Denise certainly has ` in the High Court, the Court of Appeal, then the Supreme Court. Whanau fought her, but all the courts upheld Denise's right to decide where Jim should be buried. She was the executor of his will. She had the right to uplift his body. Tikanga, while considered, in the end was overruled. Tikanga has been kicked into oblivion. In a real sense it has been kicked into oblivion as we know it and as we have experienced it. Last week Denise and her children, Jamie and Jenna, arrived in the North Island for the exhumation, after the local marae committee finally consented to it. The family arranged for a funeral director and a team of contractors. At last, it seemed, they were about to get Jim back. I think we should be able to do what we want to do. I think we, sort of, have the right to just say, 'Look, we just want to stand back and let this happen,' and without being rude, but get it done as quickly as possible and get back home. I think the closer we get, the harder it's gonna be. (BREATHES RAGGEDLY) But they didn't realise just what was waiting for them at Kutarere ` Tuhoe openly defying orders of the courts. We rule here, not your judge, not your court, not your laws. It's our laws here. That was the message when Denise and the kids arrived, as they tried to visit Jim's grave. A few of the family members standing over him, and as soon as they saw us, they told us to... Abuse. > Abuse. > Yeah, told us to F off, basically. They say others made threats too. 'I'll slit your throats.' A few death threats chucked out there. I heard a` something about killing you. 'I'll kill you.' Don't know who it was directed at. What was the tone of it? What was the tone of it? It was aggressive. It sounded quite, like, meaningful. Like, she gen` Like, it was a genuine threat, which was` Yeah. Yeah. That was` Yeah. That was something I` I've never experienced like that before, so... Were you able to spend any time with him? No. No. No, we weren't allowed near. You've heard for the first time, I think, there could be a concerted effort overnight, which hasn't been anticipated. Do you know what that means? Do you know what that means? A fair few people are meant to be, sort of, gathering there tonight in efforts to putting a stop to it tomorrow. And armed as well. And armed as well. Yes, apparently they're rallying up a few firearms, and, um, exact words from someone was that they are going to shoot anyone that tries to remove our dad's body out of the ground, so... OMINOUS MUSIC 5.30 Friday morning. Police are on standby as the exhumation is due to start. Tuhoe from near and far have spent the night sleeping on Jim's grave. They're determined to stop any attempt to remove his body. You have no jurisdiction. We are the law lords of this whenua, not you. They issue police with what they say is a trespass notice. Take it back to your headquarters. It will prove to be invalid under the Trespass Act. Over my dead body will you get my` my mokopuna and my namesake. It will be over my dead body. We've given you our direction, and that's final. Our direction was to` for you to leave. And they did. Police later said for safety reasons. They also said there was no suggestion anyone was armed. At that gate, they have no jurisdiction whatsoever to come off that road and come up to our cemetery, because this is all private land. They have the mandate of the courts, don't they? Yes, they have the mandate of the courts to try and overcome our laws and regulations. But here, there's only one law that counts, tikanga, and it's still alive and well. We still rule under L-O-R-E, and that means tikanga and all our practices. And this is one of them ` protecting our holy place. We've got him. We're gonna hold him. And nobody's gonna take him away. Nobody. (CHANTS IN MAORI) So Jim stays ` for now. His bones still at rest in an unmarked grave on the hill at Kutarere. But his partner and children are not giving up. They've pulled this card, not us. It's, kind of, sending a pretty bad message, in my opinion, that if you're willing to resort to violence or be stanch enough, you can pretty much override the law. You know, you are your own law if you're willing to do that. It's gone away from the aspect that it should be about Dad. For us, it's always been to bring him home. < Is it worth this fight, do you think? Is it worth carrying on? I think it's very much worth the carry on. You know, you can't override the law. The law is the law. Denise and her family had planned to bury Jim in Christchurch today ` the seventh anniversary of his death. So what now? Well, Justice Fogarty from the High Court will consider the next steps to take. He has previously stated the High Court will ultimately not allow the decision of the Supreme Court of NZ to be flouted. And we'll keep you updated on this story. After the break - it was the ultimate betrayal, a seemingly random attack, but the real surprise came when he found out who planned it I'm just reaching out. I'm starting to lose conscious and... Trying to reach out for Vicky, I'm asking where she is and, 'Where are you?' I couldn't hear her. And I just yelled out,... 'Run.' Oh my God. Oh my God. This is where one of the stab wounds is and... Can I help you? Can I help you? You know what this guy's problem is? What? What? He's so busy planning and building things for his customers that he's overlooking his most important project. Make success your most important project. Talk to your local ANZ business banker today. Welcome back. Chris Soteriou is a very lucky man. A successful Melbourne businessman, he adores his children and was devoted to his wife, Vicky. He showered her with the best of everything, and as far as he was concerned, his life and theirs was perfect. But unbeknown to him, Vicky was in a relationship with another man, and they were planning something that would change his life forever. Now, a warning ` this story describes a violent crime. Here's Rahni Sadler. Hello! Come on. What would you like? Want me to make you some eggs? Come on. It's time to go to school. It's breakfast time in the Soteriou household. Come on. Finish your breakfast. We'll brush our teeth and get ready. Chris is a good dad, raising his children alone. His wife is no longer on the scene. MENACING MUSIC It's just such a long story. DRAMATIC CHORD The person you love and treasure organised to kill you. Why would you wanna kill the father of your children? And I'm sorry for it. I am. I am. In November 1994, Chris and Vicky got married. No expense was spared. It was over the top, and they were head over heels in love. We had our first child two years after we got married. We tried to have more children, but it just wasn't happening, so Vicky went on the IVF programme. And we were blessed in 2008 that we had the twins. At home and at work, where his business was booming, Chris thought his life and his wife were perfect. I did everything she asked me to. Clothes, luxury holidays, European cars and jewellery ` Chris showered Vicky in gifts and cash. It's a dream life. Whatever she wanted, Vicky got. But Vicky wanted more. In December 2006, she turned 40. Her devoted husband bought her a $12,000 dress. He also paid for the lavish birthday bash Vicky had with girlfriends at Crown Casino that night, the night she met her lover. Ari Dimitrakis was a limo driver who'd once briefly dated Vicky when she was in her 20s. Following their chance meeting at the casino, they began a torrid affair. Chris knew nothing. And on January 2, 2010, on his 44th birthday, he woke up feeling the luckiest man alive. It was a beautiful day. She gave me a card and a present. Uh, it was a white shirt, and the card, um, had some very beautiful words in it. (READS CARD) They then got ready for the surprise dinner she'd arranged. At his wife's request, Chris put on the white shirt she'd bought him. Vicky insisted on driving ` something she never normally did. She started driving. 'It's your lucky night tonight.' And she was being very flirtatious. The restaurant is, um... See where those traffic lights are? The restaurant is, um... See where those traffic lights are? Yeah. > Yeah. Right down there. But Vicky didn't park anywhere near the restaurant in Fitzroy. Instead, she parked half a kilometre away in a dimly lit street, where later that night a big man in a bright white shirt would be easy to spot. She turned left to get into a very secluded side street. And I said, 'Where are we going?' She goes, 'Oh, just gonna park here. We're running very late, so can't be bothered looking for parking.' They then walked to Alpha Ouzeri restaurant, arriving at around 9pm. My best friends were there, my best man, Vicky, their wives. Throughout the night, Vicky was particularly attentive to Chris. She hugged him for this photo and was exuberantly happy. At around 10.30pm, Vicky left the table. Chris thought she'd gone outside for a cigarette, but in fact she'd gone to meet her lover to show him where her car was. Earlier that day, she'd supplied him with the intended murder weapon, a 24cm razor-sharp knife from her own kitchen. The knife had been a Christmas present from Chris to Vicky. She then snuck back into the restaurant. I said, 'Oh, where have you been? People are asking about you.' She said, 'Oh, I was in the bathroom.' During the court proceedings, it was revealed that she was gone for nearly half an hour. Doing something you later found out was completely different? Doing something you later found out was completely different? Yeah. She met her lover. Yep. And told him where the car was parked. Yeah. It sent shivers down my spine ` mm, knowing that the person you loved and treasured organised to kill you. At the end of his surprise birthday dinner, Chris Soteriou and his wife, Vicky, walked down this street on their way back to their car. MENACING MUSIC It's 11.45pm. CCTV vision captures Chris being led by his wife to be killed. She said, 'Did you have a great night?' I said, 'Yeah, I had a great night,' and 'Thank you.' I just kept thanking her. And we were walking back, hugging, laughing and cuddling, and... reminiscing about how beautiful the night was and felt as if I was the luckiest man in the world. We were approaching the car, and, um, I saw a guy sitting next to my car, crouching. I asked whether he was breaking into our car, and she quickly replied, 'Nah, it's not our car. 'It's the car behind.' She broke away from holding me and deviated into the middle of the street. She went into the middle of the road? So she left your side? That's correct. That's correct. And what did you do? I just went and questioned this guy to see what he was doing. So I walked along here, and I said to him, 'You all right, mate?' And as I lifted my head, he just grabbed me from the jacket and just slit my throat. Can you show me? Just... He slit my throat here. There was no feeling, just more shock. Like, 'Whoa.' I just felt the blood run down my chest and felt this warm... warm fluid running down my body. And it just happened so fast and so quick. And I started throwing punches. I think I hit him across the jaw, the face, and he dropped the knife. You remember the sound of it? You remember the sound of it? Yeah, I remember it. I remember it dropping, and I'm just reaching out. I'm starting to lose conscious and... Trying to reach out for Vicky. I'm asking where she is and 'Where are you?' I couldn't hear her. And I just yelled out, 'Run. Run.' And I just felt just the knife being... dug into my torso. Oh my God. This is where one of the stab wounds is. I remember saying to Vicky, 'If I don't make it, just look after the kids.' SOFT GUITAR MUSIC Sam felt fine spending $45 on perfectly good wine. And why wouldn't he, after they enjoyed the entire show together, right from the start, because he got to the station two minutes early, all thanks to saving valuable time paying Doug the lawn guy with his phone. Time really is money. To keep both running smoothly, talk to ANZ about switching banks today. So Chris Soteriou had been attacked ` stabbed as he returned to his car following a birthday dinner. Luckily for Chris, two off-duty doctors heard his screams and ran to help. He survived but was critically injured. Things were going to get much worse, though. The elaborate plan behind the seemingly random attack was about to be revealed. You were certain that this was death. Yeah. CHUCKLES: Yeah. Definitely. The night that they took him in, he was touch-and-go. They actually didn't think he was gonna make it. Chris was in a coma for 10 days. I remember the day he woke up. We were all celebrating, so happy, because he was actually` he was going to be fine. And I took one look at Vicky. I remember my brother had his arm around her, and he said, 'Isn't this great, Vicky? It's fantastic. He's gonna live.' She was miles away. We left the hospital, and I was with my mum. And I remember saying to her, 'Mum, that Vicky. She's playing us.' She goes, 'Soula, how can you be so heartless? She's going through depression.' I said, 'Mum, no. Something` I don't know... It doesn't seem right.' She was living a double life ` being the perfect wife, and then at night, she was out... with her boyfriend planning my brother's death. In hospital, in a coma, Chris fought to live. By his bedside, Vicky played the distraught wife. Vicky wanted to be the 'victim', the poor widow. She wanted to play the whole scene. But suspicion began to fall on Vicky and police hinted as much to Chris' brother, John. 10 days after Chris was stabbed, he woke from his coma. John was there. It was early in the morning. Um, he said to me that, 'Mate, the police have got him. 'They're moving in.' Vicky came around 9 o'clock in the morning. I conveyed the same news to her ` the police were moving in and they were about to make an arrest. What did she do? Uh, she turned pale. That same day, a panicked Vicky rang police to tell them that she suspected her lover, Ari Dimitrakis, was responsible. Later that day, she went alone to Richmond Police Station. I've just come to confess that, um,... um... Ari and I had organised it. I was outside in the backyard when I got the phone call from my husband. And he goes, 'It was Vicky.' I just felt so sick. I screamed. The tears were just, like, flowing ` couldn't stop. I just thought, 'You bitch. 'You bitch.' The next day, the family and police went to break the news to Chris. Chris just lost it. He wanted to rip all his tubes off. He goes, 'No.' And we said, 'Yes, Chris.' There was about five of us trying to just calm him down. Back at the police station, Vicky wanted her lover to take the fall. She claimed that Ari had stalked her and her children for months before finally forcing her to join his murder plot. < MAN: Why did you want Chris dead? (EXHALES) Well, to be honest, I didn't really. He kept forcing me. He just kept mentioning it and mentioning it, and I just thought, 'Yeah, all right.' It was basically like that. Ari also lied and denied. It's alleged that you and Vicky Soteriou planned to murder Chris Soteriou. > No, no, no. No way. < How did Ari know where your car would be parked? (SIGHS) Cos we had planned it. < OK. WOMAN: (READS) 'Upon Chris returning to his car, 'we then stabbed him six times to the body and once across the throat 'in an attempt to murder him.' 'in an attempt to murder him.' No. No way. < Were you in love with Chris still? I don't wanna talk, please, Matthew. (SIGHS) But there was no way she or Ari were going to walk free. And when that didn't happen, Vicky's bravado broke down. Vicky Soteriou, you have been found guilty by jury verdict of the attempted murder of your husband, Chris Soteriou. As soon as I heard she was guilty, I just clapped, and then the whole court just clapped. And then we all started crying from joy that she's gonna get punished for this. You are convicted and sentenced for the crime of attempted murder to 12 years' imprisonment. REFLECTIVE MUSIC It's taken a long time, but physically and mentally Chris is in a good place. Dad, go very high for me. Go! # It's been a while... He's so grateful he survived and is around to see his twins grow up. Have you been able to explain this to your little twins? They've actually asked me where their mother is. And that was as a result of my little girl seeing my scars on my body. We were at the beach one day, and... and she asked, 'Who did that?' And I said, um, 'Mummy did it.' It's... That's one of the questions that, um, I'm really challenged with. How do I tell 'em? Just the will to get over something like this is just absolutely brilliant. He's got a second chance. Well, after the break, imagine this ` tracking, recording and measuring what you eat, your sleep, even your moods and your thoughts all online. It's the global movement of self-quantifying. But is it healthy or obsessive? 116 calories. Well, I would probably spend as much time using these apps and tools as I do people checking their Facebook. This shows what my brainwaves are doing as I'm working. You think that's weird, don't you? You think that's weird, don't you? LAUGHTER If you ever needed proof that time is money, witness Sam here. He takes 139 seconds to pay the lawn guy, which makes him precisely five seconds late for the train. That makes him 23 minutes late for the show, which leads to two minutes of futile grovelling. 58 seconds of acute embarrassment follows, then an intolerable hour and 37 minutes of cold shoulder. Oh dear. And the upshot of all this? 60 ` no, make that $160 ` just about making up for it. Has he? He has. Time really is money. To keep both running smoothly, switch to ANZ today. So imagine this ` what you eat, how well you sleep, how far you run, even what you're thinking about, all measured, tracked and recorded. Sounds like Big Brother, except the monitor is you. That's what an ever-growing group of people called self-quantifiers are doing ` using mobile technology, like their cell phones, to track various parts of their existence to improve it. So is this global movement obsessive or could it be healthy? Erin Conroy with Auckland's very own self-quantifiers. Run me through what you're tracking. > OK, so, first of all, sleep, how many K's I'm running, what I'm eating, keystrokes per minute, body language, my brainwaves, my ability to focus. I think that's most of it. Wow! > UPBEAT WHISTLING, MUSIC This is Jay. The reason for the ice is that it helps cool down` cool down the muscles and helps aid your muscle recovery and also wakes you the heck up. Just like some elite athletes, he likes an ice-cold shower. He says it kick starts his working day. And generally keeps me going until about, sort of, 2 o'clock, as far as feeling nice and energetic. Jay is a self-quantifier ` he keeps track of how good he feels, how well he sleeps. Last night was quite a good night's sleep for me, and I got six full cycles of sleep, which is really really cool. He tracks what he eats, how he thinks, recording and using the information to maximise his sense of wellbeing and personal performance. And Jay is not alone. One recent overseas study suggests nearly two-thirds of people track their diet, weight or exercise in some way. And if you're into gadgets or apps, there are thousands of tracking tools to choose from. ...full of water, right. I'm a little` (LAUGHS) (LAUGHS) < Oh yeah. It's a global phenomenon, with the most dedicated self-quantifiers meeting up to share their experiences and ideas. So I cut out coffee. I've been doing that for about four weeks now. This branch in Auckland was set up by Camille. I was pretty tired before, yeah, but now I'm really feeling a lot more stable. (LAUGHS) Interesting. The key to being a self-quantifier is just being curious. So keep your hips a little bit lower. Seven. Four. Take your time. It's not a race. That's it. Just get it done. Keep your elbows up. Three. Good. So how many calories do you think I've burnt so far? Just then? Probably about 300 calories. That's a good meal and a bit. My current goals are generally around health and fitness. So I'm working towards achieving a, sort of, optimal body-fat percentage for my height, weight and age. And just tracking my exercise. PLACEBO'S 'THE EXTRA' Camille enters her exercise into an app,... So I'll put in 30 minutes of circuit. ...which she also uses to record her food, following a plan set out by her nutritionist. So I've been using My Fitness Pal to just keep track of what I'm eating and seeing how well I'm sticking to this food plan. Camille says she's not a calorie counter, but having a daily allowance is a useful guide. So, I'm just gonna enter in my dinner. Um,... so the chicken breast. # I try every day. # So for that dinner, that was 350 calories. UPBEAT MUSIC Gingerbread. (CHUCKLES) And even when she's out, Camille can keep track of her calories by scanning barcodes with her smartphone. 116 calories. > So you would have to walk for... about 40 minutes to burn that off. Whoasers. BOTH: Cheers. Mmm. Those calories taste so good. BOTH LAUGH So how much time would you spend each day checking or using your apps? I would probably spend as much time using these apps and tools as I do people checking their Facebook or people scrolling through Instagram. So what do you say to people who think self-quantifying is self-obsessive? I can see how they think that. The reason I use these apps is not just to track things about myself, but to be able to share the data that I'm tracking so that people can use this information to` to achieve their own goals. Self-quantifiers form a community where people can support and motivate each other. So it looks like Jay's been doing some walking. Have to encourage him to come to a class with me. (CHUCKLES) FELIX DA HOUSECAT'S 'SINNERMAN' The application I use is Map My Run. It's just a GPS tracker, which shows how many kilometres I've done, my elevation and how many calories I've consumed. While Camille's goals are personal, Jay applies self-quantifying to his professional life. I run my music as I run as well, because that keeps me kinda energised or` or more relaxed, depending on what I'm trying to achieve for the day. If it's sales tasks or` or gotta get through a lot of email, then it'll be a high` high intensity music, something like Eminem or something like that. Jay runs his online company from home with help from his wife, Hilary. Do you self-quantify? Do you self-quantify? No, I don't, but I think it's really interesting living with Jay to see him do all the funny things that he does. So you're still learning things about him? > So you're still learning things about him? > Yeah, fully. < Yeah. < Yeah. LAUGHTER It was in his first job, selling menswear, that Jay's self-tracking began, using a simple diary. In the diary, it's got the shirt I wore, the pants I wore, my opening. And then you can see, well, if I use 'Hey, how you doing,' I'll do 25% more than if I said, 'Hello, how are you today?' EMPIRE OF THE SUN'S 'SWORDFISH HOTKISS NIGHT' These days, Jay self-tracks on a whole new level. I've bought this. Um, this is a... a NeuroSky. So this is just basically a consumer-level EEG machine. He uses it to help him see if he's in the right mood for the task at hand. This shows what my brainwaves are doing as I'm working. The types of thoughts that I'm having ` whether I'm relaxed or alert. These things show right now that I'm paying a lot of attention. Jay's goal is to maximise his productivity. The new thing that I've been playing around with is oxygen supplementation. So I can` I can just pop that in my nose while I'm while I'm selling or whatever, and you've basically got a little unit like this, which you drop some chemicals in, and that produces oxygen. Um, I'd have to say doing it, it does feel like I'm more alert. So, when it comes to the oxygen and the ice showers` You think that's weird, don't you? You think that's weird, don't you? What if it is just a placebo effect ` you only think it's helping you. Sure. Um,... might be. What's wrong with that? It seems to work for me. Have you considered that taking extra oxygen might actually be bad for you? Yep, definitely. For anything that I do, I look` I read a lot up about it before we start. It's very important to include doctors to see what helps and doesn't help. I think there is a risk at the moment that we are gonna be driven by the devices and the tools that are available to us and track the things that are easy to measure, rather than necessarily the things that are actually important to measure. Duncan Babbage is a psychologist, who says you need to choose your tracking tools carefully. One of the things you're gonna be thinking about is is the information that it's giving me accurate? Does it seem like the things that I'm being told here resonate with other things that I've been told in the past by people who are sensible and, you know, by health professionals when they're health issues? UPBEAT GUITAR MUSIC When it comes to information, Jay likes to give as much as he gets, providing each client with proof of his billable time. I also use a time logger, and the camera here takes random pictures of me every 10 minutes and takes a screen shot of what it is I'm working on. I find it good, as it keeps you honest. As you're working, if you get distracted by things, you're, like, 'No, I'm working for this client at this time for this moment.' I don't know too many people that do web designs or SEO audits and are measuring themselves to this sort of a level. It does seem a little bit weird, but it's kinda cool to me, because it just means that I've got more information and more data as to how I'm working. So how is this information useful? If the client gives me really good feedback, I can go back through the day, see was it because I had a good night's sleep? Was it because I was in a good emotional state? Was the meditation that I've started doing the critical thing that's helping? Could you be trying to do too much? So I don't do this stuff every day, every week. I will go for three days intensive on a particular thing to work out what's wrong with my day. As an example, I know if I run for two hours on a work day, I can achieve more in six hours than I can in eight. It's an interesting finding, and I can quantify that. That's the key thing with self-tracking ` it should be about, 'What are the ultimate goals I'm pursuing,' rather than the tracking itself. It's a little bit like when you're driving a car, becoming overly focussed on the controls of the vehicle, < and it needs to be more about the journey. 'Everything in moderation' is a good thing to be thinking about as well. Back at the meet-up, a more high-tech brainwave scanner is on show and jay is just a little bit excited. That is so cool! That's what your face is doing. So that's not the` the brain. Sometimes self-quantifying is about more than just the numbers ` it's about having fun. I'm not gonna pout. I'm not gonna pout. LAUGHTER I'm not gonna pout. LAUGHTER Blue Steel! (LAUGHS) It even got the eyebrow! That's awesome. I find it way stranger that someone likes Kim Kardashian than someone liking neuroscience or cool, funky` You know, like, what's wrong with being a nerd and being a bit geeky? So geeks are the new cool? So geeks are the new cool? Yes, very much so. Did you not hear`? Did you not get that memo? Did you not hear`? Did you not get that memo? LAUGHTER So healthy or obsessive ` that is the question. Let us know what you think. Now, an update on Cam Luxton from our story on him a couple of weeks ago. At last night's National Country Music Awards, he won the big one ` the 2014 Horizon Award, which sends him to Nashville. So well done, Cam. Well, kati ra mo tenei wa ` that's our show for tonight. Join us on Twitter and Facebook ` Sunday TVNZ. And thanks for joining us. Nga mihi nui, hei kona.