NOTE: CAPTIONS COMPUTER GENERATED USING OCR FROM DVB-SUBPICTURES. CA. LooPvnueo-rrmmmq NOTE: CAPTIONS COMPUTER GENERATED USING OCR FROM DVB-SUBPICTURES. CA. KIA ORA. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO 3RD DEGREE. NOTE: CAPTIONS COMPUTER GENERATED USING OCR FROM DVB-SUBPICTURES. CA. TONIGHT - WE'RE ABOUT TO GO TO WAR, BUT WHO IS THE ENEMY, AND SHOULD WE BE AFRAID? HMNSPEAKSARABICI AND A POLICE CHIEF AT THE CENTRE OF IT ALL SURROUNDED BY IS AND AL QAEDA TERRORISTS - HE'S TRYING TO KEEP THE PEACE WHEN EVERYONE ELSE WANTS WAR. IGUM=IR5I PLUS, MORE ON KIWI CONMAN AND COMPULSIVE LIAR RICHARD BENEFIELD. WAIT TILL YOU SEE WHAT HIS FAMILY AND HIS EX-WIVES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IIIIII WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE FOR YOU TO, YOU KNOW, STOP TRYING TO RIP PEOPLE OFF? NO, I DON'T WANTA SMACK IN THE HEAD. I'M JUSTASKING YOU, YOU KNOW... I HEY, LISTEN. I SO HE WAS VIOLENT? > HEY, LISTEN. So HE WAS VIOLENT? > RICHARD BENEFIELD IS THE MOST DANGEROUS CONMAN THAT I HAVE SEEN OR HEARD OF IN NZ. OK, WELL, THE PRIME MINISTER IS CERTAINLY UNDER INCREASING PRESSURE ON THIS ONE, AND IN THE NEXT TWO TO FOUR WEEKS, JOHN KEY IS LIKELY TO TELL US WHAT PART NZ WILL BE PLAYING I m THE FIGHT AGAINST TERROR m IRAQ. I AND HE'S CERTAINLY TRYING TO MAKE A CASE FOR NZ'S INVOLVEMENT, ISN'T HE? THERE'S LI'I'I'LE DOUBT THAT WE WILL BE DOING SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S TRAINING LOCAL TROOPS OR FIGHTING ON THE FRONT LINE. BUT WHATARE WE FIGHTING FOR? I AND WHO ARE WE FIGHTING AGAINST? I PAULA PENFOLD HAS GONE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS. I DRAMATIC MUSIC I I THE DRUMS OF WAR ARE BEATING. I IGUNSHOTI IRAPID eumnlsl <i>I</i> AN EXTREME ISLAMIST GROUP - <i>I</i> THE FLAMES OF WAR ARE ONLY BEGINNING TO INTENSIFY. ...VIOLENCE AND INTIMIDATION WE HAVEN'T SEEN QUITE LIKE THIS BEFORE... I IT INVOLVES THE WORLD AGAINST ISIS. I PROMPTING AN AIRBORNE ASSAULT IN RESPONSE FROM A UNITED STATES-LED COALITION, INCLUDING THE UK, AUSTRALIA AND NOW POSSIBLY US. KIA ORA. GOOD EVENING, NZ'S TERROR THREAT LEVEL HAS BEEN RELEASED FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND JOHN KEY SAYS IT'S RISING DUE TO THE THREAT FROM ISLAMIC STATE. SINCE THE ELECTION, OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SOFTENING US FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT... WELL, I CAN'T RULE THAT ABSOLUTELY OUT. I ...IMMINENT NOW... l I ll"s POSSIBLE. I ...THAT WE'LL BE COMMITTING TO A COALITION EFFORT TO FIGHT IS. IF ANYONE BELIEVES THAT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO RISK OF A FORM OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM HERE, I THEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY DELUDED. I IGUM=IR5I BUT IS THIS A WAR WE REALLY WANT TO FIGHT? AND WHO IS OUR ENEMY? WHO IS ISLAMIC STATE, ISIS, ISIL? ALL NAMES OF THE SAME GROUP. I THINK THE EMERGENCE OF THIS REALLY VIOLENT AND MALEVOLENT FORCE JUST TOOK EVERYBODY BY SURPRISE. CAROLINE ZIEMKE IS A FORMER COUNTE R- RADI CALI SATI ON ANALYST, WHO SAYS INTELLIGENCE UNDERESTIMATED IS. CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR ME ITS EVOLUTION? IT DID JUST APPEAR SEEMINGLY OUT OF NOWHERE, BUT CLEARLY THERE'S A HISTORY AND A CONTEXT. > YES, I THINK THE ROOTS- I THINK THE ROOTS OF I-S ARE NOT UNLIKE THE ROOTS OF THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN, IN THE SENSE THAT IT REALLY IS AN OPPORTUNISTIC MOVEMENT THAT GREW UP OUT OF THE INSTABILITY THAT WAS CREATED AS A RESULT OF THE INVASION OF IRAQ. THE OVERTHROW OF THE REGIME OF SADDAM HUSSEIN. <i>L</i> MANSINGS INARABIO I PART OF THE REASON FOR THE RISE OF 'IS' IS SECTARIAN, AND THE DMDE BETWEEN SUNNI AND SHIA MUSLIMS, WHICH DATES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 7TH CENTURY. REMEMBER, SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS A SUNNI. WHEN HE WAS OVERTHROWN, THE SUNNIS RETAINED AT LEAST SOME SAY IN THE RUNNING OF THE COUNTRY, BUT WHEN THE AMERICANS PULLED OUT OF IRAQ THREE YEARS AGO, THE SUNNIS WERE LEFT WITHOUT A VOICE. IS SET OUT TO FILL THE GAP, JUST AS THEY ARE TRYING TO FILL THE POWER VACUUM IN SYRIA, WHERE SUNNIS ARE IN THE MAJORITY, BUT NOT IN GOVERNMENT. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS HAS ACHIEVED SO FAR IN TERMS OF SUPPORT ON THE GROUND, THE NUMBER OF FIGHTERS? WELL, THEY SEEM TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE AT RECRUITING. THEY HAVE A BRILLIANT PR AND RECRUITMENT POLICY. IGII~I$HOT$, ENTALKING INARABIO I THEY STRATEGICALLY AND SAFELY POSITION THEMSELVES AND ATFACK WITH GRENADE MISSILES. IEXPLOSIONSI lEN SING INARABIO I THE PROPAGANDAAND MEDIA MACHINE IS SLICK INDEED, TARGETING YOUNG MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE AND USING THE MEDIUM THAT SPEAKS TO THEM DIRECTLY - ONLINE. I SINGING CONTIMJES I MAN: THEY WERE THE 'FEW OF THE FEW'... THEY'RE IMAGES OF YOUNG MEN, MOSTLY, ELEVATED TO SOME KIND OF WARRIOR-HERO STATUS. AND THROUGH THEIR EFFORTS, ALLAH GRANTED TRIUMPH TO HIS RELIGION. THEY'RE FILMS THAT COULD ALMOST HAVE COME OUT OF HOLLYWOOD. IEXPLOSIONI IT'S VERY SLICK, AND IT'S VERY MUCH GEARED TOWARDS THE KIND OF AUDIENCE THAT THEY WANT, IN TERMS OF THE YOUNG MEN WHO MIGHT BE INSPIRED TO GO FIGHT WITH ISIS, GO JOIN ISIS. I SINGING m ARABIC I YOUNG MEN WHO ARE PROBABLY LOOKING FOR MEANING IN LIFE RESPOND TO THE RELIGIOUS MESSAGE OF IS, I WHO ARE IDEALISTIC. I TELL ME ABOUT THAT RELIGIOUS MESSAGE. IT'S WHAT I LIKE TO CALL 'BUMPER STICKER ISLAM', WHICH IS A FEW VERY BASIC IDEAS THAT 'IF YOU FIGHT FOR ISLAM, YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN'. THERE'S THE MESSAGE ABOUT THE PURITY OF GOING BACK TO THE OLD WAYS OF ISLAM, THE SORT OF SALAFIST, VERY FUNDAMENTALIST VIEW, BUT IT'S A VIEW THAT'S NOT BACKED BY ANY PARTICULAR THEOLOGICAL OR RELIGIOUS UNDERSTANDING. OTHER FOOTAGE OF IS PROVIDES A CLEAR MESSAGE ABOUT THE GROUP'S BELIEF IN THE SUPREMACY OF ITS VERSION OF ISLAM. I (SPEAKS ARABIC) I THIS IS FROM A DOCUMENTARY CREW EMBEDDED WITH IS. IBOTHSPEAKARABICI HOW DO YOU PERCEIVE THE VERSION, IF YOU LIKE, OF ISLAM THAT THEY ARE PREACHING? I I CAN'T RECOGNISE ITATALL. I AFTAB MALIK IS A MUSLIM SCHOLAR AND GLOBAL EXPERT ON MUSLIM AFFAIRS FOR THE UN. I HE CALLS IS 'MESSENGERS OF DEATH'. I WHAT'S LED US TO A SITUATION WHERE A YOUNG MUSLIM MAN, PROBABLY, WILL SEE THIS PROPAGANDA ONLINE AND SAY, 'I WANT TO BE A PART OF IT'? NARRATIVES. WE'VE FAILED THE NARRATIVES. WHY IS THIS INDMDUAL SO DISENFRANCHISED? WHY IS THAT? ISLAMOPHOBIA IS RIFE. PEOPLE HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT ISSUES, EDUCATION ISSUES. PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR FAITH IN POLITICS. MANY OF THESE YOUNG MUSLIMS WERE BORN IN THE SHADOWS OF 9-11 AND THE RHETORIC 'YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US'. THE GOOD VS THE BAD. AND THE IS LEADERS KNOWALL OF THIS? THEY KNOW THERE'S A DISENFRANCHISED SECTOR? OF COURSE. YEAH. THEYARE- YOU KNOW, THEY ARE PLAYING THE RIGHT TUNES. SO I BELIEVE THAT THE GREATER ENFRANCHISEMENT WE CAN CREATE WITH YOUNG MUSLIMS IN THE WEST, THE LESS LIKELY THEY ARE TO TRY TO DESTROY THE VERY THING THAT THEIR PARENTS CAME TO BUILD. MY PARENTS ARE IN AUSTRALIA. I DON'T SEE MYSELF BETTER THAN ANY OF YOU. THOSE YOUNG WESTERN JIHADISTS, INCLUDING AROUND 6O AUSTRALIANS AND, POTENTIALLY, NZERS, ALTHOUGH NOBODY'S SAYING HOW MANY, ARE FIGHTING A CAMPAIGN THAT'S WORKING. I SINGING m ARABIC I THE TERRITORY IS IS CLAIMING IS GROWING. MAN: VICTORY HAD BEEN PROMISED, AND THE LORD ALWAYS DELIVERS ON HIS PROMISE. I SINGING CONTIMJES I OK, SO 'IS' IS CERTAINLY GROWING. IF WE JOIN THE FIGHT AGAINST THEM, WHAT KIND OF BACKLASH COULD WE FACE? THAT'S WHATS BEEN DEBATED RIGHT NOW. WHAT IS THE PRICE OF OUR INVOLVEMENT? THAT'S NEXT. IORUNOHII Burger King's new Chicken Crunch burger is made with 100% chicken breast and a mouth-watering new extra-crunchy coating. With crispy lettuce and freshly sliced tomatoes, the new Chicken Crunch tastes as good as it sounds. HMNSPEAKSARABICI WELCOME BACK. SO, THE QUESTION IS, WHATARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF GOING TO WAR I AGAINST THE SO-CALLED ISLAMIC STATE? I WELL, THE AUSTRALIANS - THEY'RE AHEAD OF US. THEY'VE ALREADY SENT WAR PLANES TO ATTACK IS, AND THEY HAVE 200 SPECIAL-FORCES TROOPS - THAT'S LIKE OUR SAS, BASICALLY - THEY'RE ALL SET TO GO TO WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST. BUTAUSTRALIA'S ALSO SUFFERED SOME FALLOUT, AND WE COULD TOO. HERE'S PAULA PENFOLD AGAIN. 15 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DETAINED IN SYDNEY AND BRISBANE, AND ONE MAN HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH PLANNING A TERRORIST ATTACK ON AUSTRALIAN SOIL. JUST LAST MONTH, A COUNTERTERRORISM RAID STRIKING FEAR INTO THE HEART OF AUSTRALIA. IT IS OF SERIOUS CONCERN THAT RIGHT AT THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE PLANNING TO CONDUCT RANDOM ATTACKS. 800 POLICE RAIDING 15 HOMES IN FIVE SYDNEY SUBURBS, WITH SEPARATE RAIDS IN BRISBANE AND MELBOURNE. IT IS THE LARGEST OPERATION OF ITS TYPE UNDERTAKEN IN AUSTRALINS HISTORY. 15 PEOPLE WERE DETAINED, AND, DRAMATICALLY, POLICE REMOVED IN AN EVIDENCE BAG I A SWORD FROM A SYDNEY HOME. I THEIR PRIME MINISTER STATING A SENIOR MEMBER OF IS WAS URGING A NETWORK IN AUSTRALIA TO CARRY OUT 'DEMONSTRATION KILLINGS' - SPECIFICALLY, IT WAS LATER CLAIMED, A PUBLIC BEHEADING. CERTAINLY CAN I STRESS THAT RIGHT NOW IS ATIME FOR CALM. BUSY MARTIN PL RIGHT IN THE CENTRE OF SYDNEY IS WHERE IT WAS ALLEGED THAT PUBLIC ACT OF BRUTALITY WOULD BE CARRIED OUT. NOW, THE RAIDS BY THOSE 800 POLICE OFFICERS ULTIMATELY LED TO ONLY ONE ARREST, AND THAT CASE IS STILL BEFORE THE COURTS. BUT WHAT HAS EMERGED IS THAT THE SWORD POLICE SEIZED TURNED OUT TO BE PLASTIC AND DECORATIVE. I SO WHAT IS THE REAL LEVEL OF THREAT? I RETIRED SUPREME COURT JUDGE ANTHONY WHEALY IS IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO ASSESS THAT. HE PRESIDED OVER OPERATION PENDENNIS, WHICH IN THE LATE 2000S LED TO THE JAILING OF JIHADISTS PLOTTING TO CARRY OUT ATFACKS ON HOME SOIL. AUSTRALIA HAD NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT? > WELL I HADN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT, AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY THAT'S RIGHT, I THINK PROBABLY AUSTRALIA HADN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. ONE OF THE MEN CONVICTED IN THAT CASE, KHALED SHARROUF, IS NOW OUT OF PRISON AND FIGHTING WITH IS IN IRAQ. THE JUDGE WHO SENTENCED HIM SAYS THERE'S NO DOUBT IS IS AN EVEN MORE SERIOUS THREAT THAN PENDENNIS, I ITHINK so. I MEAN... l ...BUT HE DOES WARN THAT IN COMMITTING TO THE COALITION, AUSTRALIA IS MAKING ITSELF VULNERABLE AGAIN. IN THE TRIAL THAT I DID, THERE WAS A PROPAGANDA VIDEO OF A JIHADI WITH AAK47 OVER HIS SHOULDER I AND A MASK ACROSS HIS FACE. I BUT HE HAD A VERY STRONG AUSTRALIAN ACCENT - EVEN STRONGER THAN MINE - AND HE, UH- HE JUST LOOKED AT THE CAMERA, AND HE SAID, YOU BOMB US, WE BOMB YOU. YOU KILL US, WE KILL YOU.' AND I THINK THAT THAT OVERLY-SIMPLISTIC POSITION, UH, YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF THE RISKS WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN BY TAKING PART IN THE BOMBING OPERATIONS AND WHATEVER OTHER MILITARY OPERATIONS BECOME NECESSARY AGAINST ISIS. IT MUST BE A CONSEQUENCE THAT WE RUN THAT RISK. THE OTHER CONSEQUENCE THAT WORRIES HIM IS ALREADY BEING FELT BY LAW-ABIDING MUSLIM AUSTRALIANS SUFFERING THE BACKLASH OF THE RAIDS AND THE ANTI-TERROR RHETORIC. THEY FEEL MARGINALISED, ATTACKED AND TARGETED BY ALL THIS, AND SO THAT'S A SITUATION THAT HAS TO BE HANDLED WITH GREAT CARE AND GREAT DELICACY. I'M NOT TOO SURE AT THE MOMENT THAT IT IS. AMIRAH AMIN HAS FRIENDS WHO'VE BEEN SPAT ON AND HAD THEIR HEADSCARVES PULLED AT. SHE'S A SOCIAL WORKER AT THE LEBANESE MUSLIM ASSOCIATION IN SYDNEY'S WEST, RUNNING A SUPPORT GROUP FOR YOUNG WOMEN. WE HAD A FEW YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE GROUP WHO WERE VICTIMS OF ABUSE BY PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST SAYING, WHATARE YOU DOING HERE? WHATARE YOU MUSLIMS DOING HERE?' AND CALLING HER, YOU KNOW, AN EXTREMIST. AND SO I THINK THE MASSIVE REPERCUSSION HAS BEEN THAT MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN- THE WORD 'MUSLIM' HAS BEEN MADE SYNONYMOUS WITH THE WORD 'TERRORIST', I WITH THE WORD, YOU KNOW, 'JIHADIST'. I IN NZ, WE'RE BEING TOLD THERE IS A THREAT. WE'RE NOT BEING TOLD WHAT IT IS PRECISELY, BUT THE LANGUAGE IS VERY MUCH THAT WE'RE BEING PREPARED TO SUPPORTA COALITION AGAINST IS. FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE IN AUSTRALIA, WHAT SHOULD WE LEARN ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE THAT SITUATION? IF, YOU KNOW, THE SAME SORT OF THING WAS TO HAPPEN lN- IN NZ AND THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY WAS VICTIMISED AND, I GUESS - VILIFIED IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR - THE SAME WAY, YOU KNOW, DON'T- DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN. IT'S NOTA REFLECTION ON ISLAM; IT'S NOTA REFLECTION ON WHAT MUSLIMS ARE ABOUT. IF AUSTRALINS MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS FEELING THE INCREASING TENSION, WHAT ABOUT HERE? ISLAM IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGIONS IN NZ, UP 28% IN THE LAST CENSUS TO JUST OVER 46,000. AND RELATIONS WITH THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY GOOD. BUT WILL THOSE GOOD RELATIONS BE DAMAGED, ESPECIALLYAS WE'RE DRIP-FED HINTS ABOUT AN IS THREAT I OR SYMPATHISERS? I I DON'T THINK WE'RE IMMUNE FROM THE RISKS. THE RISKS ARE DOMESTIC, THEY'RE REGIONAL, AND THEY'RE INTERNATIONAL. IGUNSHOTI MAN: THE BROTHERS UNWAVERINGLY TRAVERSE THROUGH THE TRENCHES DESPITE ENEMY SHELLING AND GUNFIRE. IN THOSE FARAWAY LANDS, THE DRUMS OF WAR ARE RELENTLESS. I ALLAH ls wm-a r-us BELIEVERS. I THE DECISION FOR US NOW IS WHETHER IT'S A WAR WE WANT ANY PART OF. AND IT IS HE WHO DIRECTS THE RPG GRENADE, PUNISHING THE ENEMY WITH THE HANDS OF THE MUJAHIDEEN. Uusnsnoml AND THIS IS A FIGHT THAT THE GOVERNMENT ADMITS COULD LAST FIVE TO 1O YEARS. I SINGING m ARABIC I WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO US? WHAT IS THERE TO GAIN FOR US IN MAKING THIS COMMITMENT? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO US? WHAT IS WELL, I THINK- COMMITMENT? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO US? WHAT IS WELL, I THINK- IF ANYTHING? I THINK THE BENEFIT IS TO BE SEEN AS BEING SEEN AS PART OF THE, SORT OF, RIGHTEOUS CAMPAIGN AGAINSTA GENUINELY HORRIBLE BUNCH OF GUYS. I MEAN, THERE'S NO ARGUING... I DON'T KNOW OF ANY REASONABLE NATIONAL LEADER ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO SAID THEY THINK 'IS' IS A GOOD THING, UM, SO IT IS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF BEING SEEN I To BE PART ol= THAT. I MANY NZERS DON'T THINK THAT WE DO HAVE A ROLE TO PLAYAS ANY KIND OF WORLD POLICEMAN, IF YOU LIKE. UM, I THINK THAT'S A PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE PERCEPTION, FRANKLY. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLE FOR NZ IS TO TRY TO PUSH THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO COME UP WITH SOME LASTING SOLUTIONS TO WHATS HAPPENING IN AVERY UNSTABLE PART OF THE WORLD. THE ATROCITIES THAT ARE BEING COMMITTED DO NEED TO BE STOPPED, DON'T THEY? THEY DO, BUT HOW? THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO ASK. IS IT BY INVITING MORE WAR? I DON'T FEEL SUFFERING COULD BE STOPPED BY MORE SUFFERING. WE KNOW NOW THAT WEAPONS ARE- DESPITE THEM BEING- USING STRATEGIC AND LASERS, THEY'RE NOT CLINICAL. WE HAVE COLLATERAL DAMAGE. AND SO THESE ARE REALLY TOUGH QUESTIONS. WE KNOWAN IMMORAL INJUSTICE IS OCCURRING. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND- WE NEED TO KNOW 'HOW CAN WE STOP THIS?' OK, WE WANTED TO ASK THE PRIME MINISTER WHAT OUR ROLE SHOULD BE IN THIS WAR, BUT HE DECLINED TO BE INTERVIEWED, SAYING HE'S NOT IN A POSITION TO ANSWER ALL OUR QUESTIONS JUST YET. OK. COMING UP NEXT-WE'RE ON THE ROAD WITH A POLICEMAN WHO FACES IS TERRORISTS EVERY DAY. NOW, THIS GUY MAY JUST HAVE THE MOST DANGEROUS JOB IN THE WORLD. IEXPLOSIONI IORUNOHII Burger King's new Chicken Crunch burger is made with 100% chicken breast and a mouth-watering new extra-crunchy coating. With crispy lettuce and freshly sliced tomatoes, the new Chicken Crunch tastes as good as it sounds. HMNSPEAKSARABICI WELCOME BACK. NOW, THIS IS THE STORY OF A VERY BRAVE MAN WITH WHAT MUST SURELY BE - I THINK IT IS PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY - THE MOST DANGEROUS JOB IN THE WORLD. HE RUNS THE POLICE FORCE IN A PART OF IRAQ THAT IS HEMMED IN - HE'S ON THE FRONT LINE - HEMMED IN BY THE TERRORISTS, ISN'T IT? SO HE'S FIGHTING THE IS. THEY'RE JUST A FEW HUNDRED METRES AWAY. BUT IT'S NOT JUST IS. ALSO AL QAEDA - THEY'RE CLOSE BY - AND OTHERS. EVERY DAY HE STARES DEATH IN THE FACE. YEAH, IT'S A TERRIBLE JOB. TECHNICALLY, HE'S PART OF THE IRAQI POLICE FORCE, BUT IN REALITY, HE'S ON HIS OWN. HE IS ISOLATED. I FOR THE RECORD, HE'S A KURD, OK, I BUT HIS POLICE FORCE - IT'S MULTI-ETHNIC AND HE SAYS HE WANTS TO KEEP THE PEACE FOR EVERYBODY. I nwmme MUSIC I WHEN ISIS SEIZED PARTS OF NORTHERN IRAQ, THOUSANDS OF IRAQI TROOPS RAN AWAY. ONLY KURDISH FORCES AND A SMALL NUMBER OF IRAQI POLICE REFUSED TO RETREAT. I mum-me MUSIC commas I uusnsnoml THIS IS THE STORY OF BRIGADIER GENERAL SARHAD QADER, POLICE CHIEF OF THE KIRKUK REGION. HE'S ON THE FRONT LINE OF THE WAR AGAINST THE ISLAMIC STATE. I (SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE) I SARHAD TOOK OVER AS POLICE CHIEF OF KIRKUK PROVINCE AFTER THE US INVASION IN 2003. EVER SINCE, KIRKUK HAS BEEN WRACKED BY ETHNIC VIOLENCE. Lomuous wsucl HE HAS MADE ARRESTS ON ALL SIDES AND HAS ENEMIES EVERYWHERE. HE ESCAPED MORE THAN A DOZEN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS. LAST YEAR, AL QAEDAATTACKED HIS BASE WITH A CAR BOMB AND TWO SUICIDE BOMBERS, LEAVING UP TO 3O DEAD. I (SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE) I <i>I</i> SIREN vwluLs I ISIRHSWAILPEOHESHOUTI WORKING IN THE POLICE IS A LETHAL JOB. I SINCE 2003, SARHAD HAS LOST 245 MEN. I I WITHIN DAYS, n' wll.l. BE 24s. I THE MEN ARE GOING ON A MISSION, BUT SARHAD KEEPS HIS MOVEMENTS SECRET BECAUSE OF THE THREAT OF AMBUSHES. Irsnsewsucl HIS PATROLS ARE FREQUENTLY TARGETED BY MULTIPLE IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES, OR IEDS. IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, POLITICAL INFIGHTING, ASSASSINATIONS, BOMBINGS AND RIVALRIES HAVE PLAGUED THE KIRKUK REGION. THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS RIVALRY IS THAT KIRKUK IS VERY RICH IN OIL. IMAN$PEAK$LOOALLANGUAGEI OIL IS ALSO THE REASON WHY ISIS WANT CONTROL OF THIS REGION. THIS CHECKPOINT WAS BLOWN UP RECENTLY, REPORTEDLY BYA 25-YEAR-OLD SAUDI DOCTOR TURNED IS SUICIDE BOMBER. <i>L</i> so PEOPLE ARE THOUGHT TO HAVE DIED. <i>I</i> HEGSPEAKLOCALLANGUAGEI ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AHEAD, SARHAD SPOTS AN ABANDONED MOTORBIKE. THIS IS A COMMON METHOD OF DISGUISING A ROADSIDE BOMB. HEGSPEAKLOCALLANGUAGEI lomuous wsucl I (SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE) I IOHIOIGNSCUJCKI SARHAD HEARS HIS MEN HAVE MADE AN ARREST IN THE NEIGHBOURING VILLAGE. THE POLICE SAY THIS IS THE MAN THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR. THEY SUSPECT HE IS THE LEADER OF AN INSURGENT CELL ACCUSED OF PLANTING IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES. I (SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE) I HEGSPEAKLOCALLANGUAGEI BUT SARHAD DOESN'T BELIEVE THIS MAN'S DENIALS. I (SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE) I IALLSPEAKLOGAL I IN 2005, SARHAD'S FAMILY PAID ATERRIBLE PRICE FOR HIS WORK. HIS BROTHER WAS THE VICTIM OF AN AL QAEDAAMBUSH. I (SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE) I I SARHAD GETS A PHONE CALL. I IT'S THE COUSIN OF ONE OF HIS MEN, VVHO DEFECTED TO ISIS SEVERAL MONTHS I NOW HE SAYS HE WANTS TO COME BACK. I IBOTH$PEAKLOGAL I SARHAD PROMISES NOT TO ARREST HIM AND LETS HIM GO ON CONDITION THAT HE COMES BACK LATER FOR FURTHER QUESTIONING. SARHAD IS ABOUT TO GO HOME FOR THE WEEKEND, BUT HE GETS AN URGENT PHONE CALL FROM THE FRONT LINE. I (SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE) I Irsnsewsucl ONE OF SARHAD'S MEN FILMED THE BATTLE. Lomuous wsucl IGUM=IR5I I RAPID AUTOMATIC euunne I lomuous wsucl I THE BATTLE RAGES AS NIGHT FALLS. I NEITHER SIDE ADVANCES, INSTEAD TRADING MACHINE GUN FIRE IN THE DARK. Lomuous wsucl I RAPID euunns, MEN SHOUT I FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, THE ISLAMIC STATE FIRES ON SARHAD'S TROOPS WITH MORTARS, A HEAVY WEAPON THE POLICE DON'T HAVE. I MORTAR THIDS, RAPID GIMFIRE I THREE OF HIS MEN WERE INJURED IN THE ATTACK. I MARIWAN WAS KILLED. I FOR 11 YEARS, HE HAD BEEN ONE OF SARHAD'S MOST TRUSTED RIGHT-HAND [LEI] I (SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE) I MARIWAN'S DEATH BRINGS TO 246 THE NUMBER OF MEN SARHAD HAS LOST UNDER HIS COMMAND. THE CONSTANT FIGHTING AND HIGH CASUALTY RATE COME ATA PRICE. STRESS AND DEPRESSION ARE COMMON IN THE POLICE FORCE, AND THIS IS RARELY ADDRESSED. SARHAD HAS SUMMONED A POLICE OFFICER WHO TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE. IBOTH$PEAKLOGAL I FOLLOWING THE RECENT SUICIDE BOMBING AT THE CHECKPOINT, SARHAD HAS CLOSED THE ROAD BETWEEN KIRKUK AND THE ISLAMIC STATE TERRITORY, SO THERE IS NO ESCAPE FOR CMLIANS CAUGHT IN AREAS WITHIN IS CONTROL. HEGSPEAKLOCALLANGUAGEI SARHAD HAS DECIDED TO TAKE A RISK AND OPEN THE ROAD WITH IS-CONTROLLED TERRITORY. THEY STOP AND SEARCH A SUSPICIOUS-LOOKING TRUCK. Irsnsewsucl SLOWLY, THE PARTS OF A MACHINE GUN EMERGE FROM UNDER THE WATERMELONS. IPEOHEOHATTERI WORRIED ABOUTA POTENTIAL EXPLOSION, THE OFFICERS ORDER US TO STOP FILMING AND GET BACK. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DRIVER. ISIRHSWAILPEOHESHOUTI THREE WEEKS AFTER SARHAD OPENED THE ROAD, ATRIPLE CAR BOMB IN KIRKUK KILLED 21 PEOPLE. HEGSPEAKLOCALLANGUAGEI WELL, I'M NOT SURPRISED TO HEAR HIM SAY THAT. HE IS SUCH A BRAVE MAN, AND I THINK HE'S DONE WELL TO SURVIVE FOR SO LONG IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. YEAH, IT'S AN AWFUL JOB. ALL RIGHT, UP NEXT WE'RE TAKING A CLOSE LOOK AT KIWI CON MAN RICHARD BENEFIELD. WE FEATURED HIM ON THE PROGRAMME BEFORE. WHAT'S TRUE AND WHAT'S NOT, BASICALLY. THIS IS WHAT HE'S ALREADY TOLD US ABOUT HIS WIFE, KAREN. YOUR WIFE HAS PASSED AWAY? > US ABOUT HIS WIFE, KAREN. YOUR WIFE HAS PASSED AWAY? > YES, SHE HAS, SO DON'T BRING HER INTO IT. WELL, WE'LL HEAR WHAT KAREN HERSELF HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT AFTER THIS BREAK. [-1 A CONMAN WITH MORE THAN 180 CONVICTIONS FOR DISHONESTY. YEAH, WE SHOWED YOU HOW THIS COMPULSIVE LIAR... HOW HE OPERATES, BASICALLY. CONCOCTING SAD STORIES ABOUT HIS PAST, WINNING THE TRUST OF DECENT AND ORDINARY PEOPLE, AND THEN BASICALLY RELIEVING THEM OF THEIR MONEY AND THEIR BELONGINGS. WELL, YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE THE FEEDBACK WE HAD AFTER WE RAN THAT STORY, SO HERE'S MICHAEL MORRAH AGAIN, UNRAVELLING MORE OF RICHARD BENEFIELD'S LIES. BUT WE DO NEED TO WARN YOU HERE - THERE ISA BIT OF SWEARING, UH, IN THIS PIECE. ALL OF IT AIMED AT MICHAEL, AND HE'S BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE IT, THANKFULLY. HE'S BIG ENOUGH AND UGLY ENOUGH TO TAKE IT, YEAH. THE GRIT AND ROAR OF THE SPEEDWAY HAS ALWAYS APPEALED TO RICHARD BENEFIELD. THIS IS HIM RACING A MODIFIED V8 SPRINT CAR IN CHRISTCHURCH IN 2008. HE HAD A PASSION FOR IT BECAUSE THAT APPEARS TO BE HIS ONLY ONE TRUE AGENDA IN LIFE IS TO BE ON THAT TRACK, AND HE'LL DO WHATEVER HE CAN TO GETA FREE RIDE. < IS HE KNOWN IN THE RACING SCENE? IS TO BE ON THAT TRACK, AND HE'LL DO WHATEVER HE CAN TO GETA FREE RIDE. < IS HE KNOWN IN THE RACING SCENE? YES, YEP, HE'S... YEP, WE KNOW OF HIM AND OF SOME OTHER SHONKY DEALS THAT HAVE GONE ON AND, YEP, NOTA NICE AND OF SOME OTHER SHONKY DEALS THAT < LOTS OF OTHER SHONKY DEALS? AND OF SOME OTHER SHONKY DEALS THAT < LOTS OF OTHER SHONKY DEALS? ENOUGH. DEFINITELY. < WHAT'S HE KNOWN AS IN THE RACING CIRCLES? ENOUGH. DEFINITELY. < WHAT'S HE KNOWN AS IN THE RACING CIRCLES? THE BURGLAR. HE WAS KNOWN AS THE BURGLAR BECAUSE RICHARD BENEFIELD IS A LIFELONG CON ARTIST AND THIEF. AND, IN OUR LAST STORY, WE CONFRONTED HIM. GIDDAY. AND, IN OUR LAST STORY, WE CONFRONTED HIM. GIDDAY. MICHAEL MORRAH FROM TV3'S 3RD DEGREE. OH YEAH. MICHAEL MORRAH FROM TV3'S 3RD DEGREE. OH YEAH. MICHAEL MORRAH FROM OVER HERE. HEY, JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS. THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE WHO YOU OWE A BIT OF MONEY AT THE MOMENT. DO YOU PLAN TO PAY THEM BACK? (SIGHS) UH, YEP. BIT OF MONEY AT THE MOMENT. DO YOU PLAN TO PAY THEM BACK? (SIGHS) UH, YEP. BIT OF MONEY AT THE MOMENT. DO YOU OH, WHEN I GET SOME MONEY TOGETHER. WHAT DO YOU THINK lT'LL TAKE FOR YOU TO, YOU KNOW, STOP TRYING TO RIP PEOPLE OFF? NO, I DON'T WANTA SMACK IN THE HEAD. I'M JUSTASKING YOU, YOU KNOW? HEY, LISTEN. I HAVE TRIED TO GET HOLD OF THAT FUCKER TO PAY HER BACK, AND SHE ISN'T PREPARED TO GET HOLD OF ME, WELL, IT'S HER FUCKING PROBLEM. NOT MINE. FUCK OFF. YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT. DON'T FILM ME. OTHERWISE I'LL SMASH YOUR CAMERA. SINCE EXPOSING HIM, WE'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH MESSAGES FROM PEOPLE IN ALL THESE LOCATIONS; ALL OF THEM WITH TALES OF THEFT AND BETRAYAL. BUT WE'VE ALSO DISCOVERED ANOTHER SIDE TO RICHARD BENEFIELD. I WAS A BATFERED WIFE. UM, HE WAS VERY DOMINEERING. UM, I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I WAS SCARED TO LEAVE THE HOUSE. UM, TOO SCARED TO OPEN MY MOUTH BECAUSE I WAS SCARED I'D SAY OR DO THE WRONG THING. I'D GET PUNCHED. UM, TOO SCARED TO OPEN MY MOUTH SO HE WAS VIOLENT? THE WRONG THING. I'D GET PUNCHED. UM, TOO SCARED TO OPEN MY MOUTH so HE WAS VIOLENT? UM, TOO SCARED TO OPEN MY MOUTH YES. UM, TOO SCARED TO OPEN MY MOUTH YES. HOW OFTEN? > HE USED TO BEAT ME UP MOST OF THE TIME. HE'D BEAT ME UP IF I DIDN'T GET PREGNANT. I HE'D BEAT ME UP WHEN I WAS PREGNANT. I HE'D SMASH THE HOUSE UPAND DRAG ME THROUGH THE HOUSE WITH THE BROKEN GLASS AND TELL ME I WAS AN F'lNG BITCH THAT SHOULD CLEAN UP THE FILTHY HOUSE, I AND HE'D e0 OFF TO BED TO SLEEP. I ZIRA'S MARRIAGE TO RICHARD BENEFIELD LASTED JUSTA COUPLE OF YEARS. AFTER CONSTANT BEATINGS, SHE DID A RUNNER WITH THEIR SON. BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP BENEFIELD TRACKING HER DOWN. WELL, THIS VEHICLE ACTUALLY CUT MY FATHER OFF, AND IT TURNED OUT IT WAS RICHARD, AND HE GRABBED MY FATHER OUT FROM THE DRIVER'S SIDE, AND HE LEFT MY FATHER STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND TOOK OF WITH ME AND OUR CHILD. AND WHERE DID HE TAKE YOU? > THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND TOOK OF WITH ME AND OUR CHILD. AND WHERE DID HE TAKE YOU? > HE DROVE AROUND THE CITY FOR A WHILE. HE ABANDONED THE VEHICLE AND DRAGGED ME OFF TO A NEW HOTEL THATS BEING BUILT IN THE CENTRE OF TOWN. I WAS HELD IN THAT MOTEL ROOM FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT THERE WAS ACTUALLY PEOPLE LOOKING- POLICE LOOKING FOR ME. IT WAS OVER THE RADIO AND EVERYTHING ELSE - THE DESCRIPTION OF ME. AFTER THAT, BENEFIELD WAS SERVED WITH A NON-MOLESTATION ORDER. AND WERE THOSE ORDERS A DETERRENT FOR RICHARD BENEFIELD? > WITH A NON-MOLESTATION ORDER. AFTER TALKING TO ZIRA, WE HIT THE ROAD. NEXT STOP -A WOMAN WHO WAS ENGAGED TO BENEFIELD 13 YEARS AGO. IT WAS GREAT, AND THEN WE GOT ENGAGED. BIGGEST MISTAKE IN MY LIFE. MY ENGAGEMENT PARTY INCURRED A MAJOR BEATING, AND THE TABLES TURNED, AND I WAS BEING PULLED INTO THE BATFERED WOMAN SYNDROME. I DON'T KNOW. I'VE SEEN HIM ON THE TVAGAIN. VICKY AND HER FAMILY WATCHED BENEFIELD ON THIRD DEGREE TWO WEEKS IT BROUGHT BACKA FLOOD OF BAD MEMORIES FOR HERSELF AND HER FAMILY. WE WERE DONE FOR A GOOD $50,000 BACK THEN. YOU KNOW, HIRE PURCHASES. HE WOULD USE MY NAME. HOW IN THE HECK HE DID THAT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW. BUT HE WOULD USE MY NAME. HE GOT MY SIGNATURE SORTED. HE WROTE CHEQUES. CHEQUES WERE BOUNCING ALL OVER THE PLACE. UM, I HAD 5 CARS I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT. NO, HE DID. HE STUNG ME BIG TIME, AND UNFORTUNATELY, TO THIS VERY DAY, I'M STILL PAYING FOR IT. POLICE RECORDS SHOW BENEFIELD GOT COMMUNITY SERVICE AFTER ADMITTING TO FRAUDULENTLY USING THE CHEQUES. RICHARD BENEFIELD IS THE MOST DANGEROUS CONMAN THAT I HAVE SEEN OR HEARD OF IN NZ. AND, WITH VICKY'S WORDS RINGING IN OUR EARS, WE HEADED TO OUR NEXT INTERVIEW - I AN OLD SPEEDWAY BUDDY OF RICHARD'S. I HOW MUCH MONEY DID HE TAKE FROM YOU AND YOUR WIFE? UM, IT WAS PROBABLY A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS. MAYBE $2500. US? > UM, IT WAS PROBABLY A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS. MAYBE $2500. US? > YEP, THAT WAS US MONEY IN THAT, AND ONLY SOME OF IT WAS RECOVERED. GRAHAM ARCHBOLD INTRODUCED RICHARD BENEFIELD TO THE WOODFORD GLEN SPEEDWAY CLUB AND NOW REGRETS HAVING EVER SET EYES ON HIM. A COUPLE OF MONTHS DOWN THE TRACK, HE STOLE TWO OF THE MOTORS OUT OF SOME OF THE RACING CARS OUT THERE, COS HE BEFRIENDED THOSE PEOPLE AND KNEW THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE HOME, AND HE KNEW THEY HAD THEIR MOTORS SITTING AROUND IN THEIR WORKSHOPS, AND HE STOLE THEM. AND THEY'RE WORTH A BIT OF MONEY, OBVIOUSLY? > AND HE STOLE THEM. AND THEY'RE WORTH A BIT OF MONEY, OBVIOUSLY? > HELL, COULD BE $20,000 WORTH. IN OUR LAST SHOW, WE SPOKE WITH CHRISTCHURCH BENEFICIARY SUSAN LYNN, WHO TOOK BENEFIELD IN AS A BORDER. WHILE RECOVERING FROM AN OPERATION, SHE LOANED HIM $15,000 TO BUY THIS SIX-SHOOTER SPRINT CAR. BUT BENEFIELD IS ADAMANT HE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, INSISTING SHE GOT IT FOR HIM AS A SURPRISE GIFT. I NEVER ASKED HER TO BUY THAT. I CAME HOME FROM WORK, AND IT WAS SITTING IN THE GARAGE. WELL, WE TRACKED DOWN THE MAN WHO HELPED SELL THE CAR. SO HIS STORY OF THE VEHICLE JUST TURNING UPAND HIM NOT KNOWING ABOUT IT, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? CAN I SAY IT? IT'S CRAP. YEAH, IT IS. IT'S JUST TOTAL LIES. HIM AND HIM ALONE. THAT'S RIGHT. HE CAME IN ORIGINALLY. AFTER LOOKING AT ANOTHER CAR, HE LOOKED AT THIS CAR. HE ORGANISED THE DEAL. NOBODY ELSE. IT'S JUST HIM. HE ORGANISED THE DEAL. NOBODY ELSE. IT'S JUST HIM. AND DID HE PICK THE VEHICLE UP? HE ORGANISED THE DEAL. NOBODY ELSE. IT'S JUST HIM. AND DID HE PICK THE VEHICLE UP? YES, AND WE HELPED HIM SO YET ANOTHER IMAGINARY TALE, BUT PERHAPS THE MOST CREATIVE STORY, FILMED UNDERCOVER IN OUR LAST PROGRAMME, WAS ABOUT HIS WIFE, KAREN. FILMED UNDERCOVER IN OUR LAST PROGRAMME, WAS ABOUT HIS WIFE, KAREN. YOUR WIFE HAS PASSED AWAY? > NO, NO, I WON'T DO THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO VERIFY YOUR STORY, > BECAUSE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE A FEW TRUST ISSUES WITH YOU > BECAUSE OF WHAT DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME. > OH, YEAH, BELIEVE EVERYBODY YOU LIKE. REMEMBER - KAREN IS SUPPOSEDLY DEAD. SO WE WERE NATURALLY SURPRISED WHEN SHE CONTACTED US. KAREN IS STILL SO SCARED OF RICHARD THAT SHE LIVES IN HIDING FROM HIM OVERSEAS. KAREN IS STILL SO SCARED OF RICHARD YOU'VE GOT THREE KIDS, HAVEN'T YOU? OVERSEAS. KAREN IS STILL SO SCARED OF RICHARD YOU'VE GOT THREE KIDS, HAVEN'T YOU? YES, TRIPLETS. KAREN IS STILL SO SCARED OF RICHARD WHAT? YES, TRIPLETS. KAREN IS STILL SO SCARED OF RICHARD WHAT? YEAH, TRIPLETS. THREE GIRLS. WHATABOUT THE SCENARIO WITH YOUR DAUGHTERS? DO YOU HAVE TRIPLET DAUGHTERS? > YES, I DO. DAUGHTERS? DO YOU HAVE TRIPLET DAUGHTERS? > YES, I DO. DAUGHTERS? DO YOU HAVE TRIPLET YEAH . AGAIN, THE TRIPLETS STORY IS JUST THAT - A STORY. WE TRACKED DOWN THE ONLY KNOWN CHILD OF RICHARD BENEFIELD, JUSTIN, WHO WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS FATHER. < IS HE PART OF YOUR LIFE? IS HE PART OF YOUR FAMILY ANY MORE IN YOUR VIEW? NO, NOT AT ALL. UM, HE'S DRIVEN A WEDGE BETWEEN US ALL, PROBABLY, FOR AVERY LONG TIME NOW. UM, AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SORT OF LOOKING OVER OUR SHOULDERS, WONDERING IF HE IS GOING TO COME BACK INTO OUR LIFE AT SOME STAGE, WHETHER IT BE HE SPOTS US SOMEWHERE OR, UM, FOLLOWS US HOME OR... YEAH, THATS ALWAYS BEEN AT THE BACK OF MY MIND. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING THAT DOES WORRY ME COS I DON'T WANT HIM TO AFFECT... THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO ME IN MY LIFE AND THAT ARE AROUND ME. WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU SAW HIM ON THE TV, IN THE PROGRAMME WE RAN THE OTHER NIGHT? UM, IT MADE ME SICK TO MY GUT. IT REALLY DID, AND IT MADE FEEL REALLY REALLY SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HE HAS AFFECTED, AND I KIND OF WANT NZ TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PERSON IS AND THAT HE IS A CON ARTIST, AND HE HAS DECEIVED A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, AND I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE AWARE AND SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN'T JUST TRUST ANYBODY THAT COMES INTO YOUR LIFE. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN TO US FOR THE SAME REASON - THEY WANT TO PUTA STOP TO RICHARD BENEFIELD'S DECEPTIONS. SO WHATARE THE CHANCES OF HIM DOING JUST THAT? MM, OK, WHAT MICHAEL MORRAH HAS BEEN DOING IS HE'S BEEN SPEAKING WITH RICHARD BENEFIELD OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND WE'LL HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT ALL THIS AFTER THE BREAK. HMNSPEAKSARABICI WELCOME BACK. MICHAEL MORRAH HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH RICHARD BENEFIELD THESE PAST TWO WEEKS, AND HE DID ASK HIM FORA PROPER SIT-DOWN INTERVIEW. BUT IN THE END, HE JUST WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT MICHAEL DID RECORD THIS BRIEF PHONE CALLA FEW DAYS AGO. DO YOU ACCEPT THAT YOU ARE A COMPULSIVE LIAR? AND KAREN OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T DIE OF LUPUS, DID SHE? <i>L</i> WHY DO YOU THINK YOU us? <i>I</i> YOU'D ACCEPT THAT YOU'VE BEEN CONNING PEOPLE FOR MANY YEARS? YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY AWARE THAT YOU HAVE RUINED THE LIVES OF MANY PEOPLE? WHY DO YOU THINK YOU DO THAT SORT OF THING? I ANGRY AT WHO 0R ANGRY AT WHAT? I DO YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WILL ACTUALLY TRY AND CONTROL, OR WILL YOU JUST CONTINUE DOING WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING? WELL, I THINK THAT'S RICHARD BENEFIELD SOUNDING SURPRISINGLY HONEST FOR ONCE, DON'T YOU THINK? YEAH, LOOK, I REMAIN A BIT UNCONVINCED ABOUT HIM, TO BE HONEST. I MEAN, HE'S A BIT OF A SERIAL OFFENDER, I HAVE TO SAY. OK, FAIR ENOUGH. WELL, WE CAN TELL YOU THAT RICHARD BENEFIELD IS NOW GETTING SPECIALIST CARE, I AND WE no WISH HIM WELL wm-a THAT, I AND HE DID TELL MICHAEL THAT HE INSISTS HE STILL PLANS TO PAY BACK THOSE PEOPLE THAT HE HAS RIPPED OFF. YEAH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THIS STORY, AND WE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. BUT THAT'S ALL FROM US AT 3RD DEGREE FOR THIS WEEK. WE'RE BACK NEXT WEDNESDAY. HAVE A GOOD REST OF THE EVENING. WE'LL CATCH YOU THEN.