...brought to you by the first-ever Mazda CX3. Tonight on Sunday, the extraordinary moment a French secret agent fesses up to a killing. ...for a member of a secret service, we never talk. Our exclusive investigation 30 years in the making. There was two bombs. Why two bombs? Uh... The French secret agent who actually fixed the bombs to the Rainbow Warrior comes clean. I would like to take this opportunity to express my deepest regrets. Who was really responsible? Mitterrand gave the order, in fact. Can we really forgive? Nobody's ever paid the price for Fernando's murder. I am cynical about your Paleo diet. Perfect. Perfect for this challenge. Can you do it, Mike? Mike Willesee puts Paleo Pete's diet to the test,... The cravings for Coca-Cola are diminishing. ...dumping the food he craves... I'm a little bit lethargic still. ...and torturing himself for 10 weeks. OK. Here we go. Captions by Anne Langford. www.able.co.nz Captions were made possible with funding from NZ On Air. Copyright Able 2015 Kia ora. I'm Miriama Kamo. Who was the man who blew up the Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior? He is a spy who has remained hidden for 30 years; the French secret service agent who placed the explosives that killed Fernando Pereira. 30 years ago this month, the French government was still denying it was responsible for sinking the ship even though two French secret agents had been arrested in Auckland. Then the French newspaper Le Monde broke the story that a team of French combat divers had also been in NZ. Tonight, for the first time, the man who led that dive team, the man who actually planted the bombs, has broken his silence to talk to Sunday. This from John Hudson. My role was to plant two bombs on the Rainbow Warrior. He led the dive team. He set the bombs, and for 30 years he remained hidden, guarding the secret of what really happened the night the Rainbow Warrior was sunk. For a member of a secret service, we never talk. But finally he is talking. We were not cold-blooded killers. We did everything to preserve life of the people on board the Rainbow Warrior. From your point of view, was your part of the operation a success? No, for me it was not successful. It was a big, big failure. July 1985, the Rainbow Warrior sails into Auckland's Waitemata Harbour accompanied by a flotilla ready to join the Greenpeace ship at Mururoa atoll to protest against French nuclear testing. We were preparing to go to French Polynesia where we were gonna protest the nuclear testing of France. But the French government had other ideas. It sent 13 members of its secret service, the DGSE, to sink the Rainbow Warrior before it left Auckland. The French had always claimed that they didn't wanna kill anybody, but in my opinion, either they were blatantly incompetent or if they didn't want to kill anybody, they really didn't care if they did. Just before midnight on July 10th,... EXPLOSION ...two bombs exploded. EXPLOSION The first blew a 2m2 hole in the engine room. The second smaller bomb was attached to the keel. It was the force of the second explosion that would have trapped him in the room. Two days after the bombing, detectives acting on a tip-off arrested two French agents ` Dominique Prieur and Alain Mafart, travelling on fake passports, posing as Swiss honeymooners. The Ouvea, a charter yacht, which brought the bombs to NZ, was searched in Norfolk Island and then released. At first, discarded equipment were the only clues to the agents who planted the bombs. So who were they? How did they get away? We know that the French government ordered the attack to be carried out by the French Secret Service. But what about the agent responsible for planting the bombs that sank the Rainbow Warrior? Well, here in northern France, Sunday has tracked him down. This is Metz, a 3000-year-old city in Lorraine province. Jean Luc. It's now home to Colonel Jean Luc Kister, a former head of the combat dive team of the French Secret Service. So you put both the bombs on the hull yourself and set them? Yes. Yes, I was the team leader and I had the responsibility for this part of the operation. Colonel Kister remembers being surprised when told of the plan to stop the Rainbow Warrior. For us, Greenpeace members were engaged troublemakers, but not very dangerous. We were amazed that such an operation can become dictated on there. But this was the time of the Cold War with the Soviets. We were told that Greenpeace was infiltrated by the KGB. This was the explanation given to us. Jean Luc Kister had become a military cadet at just 17. By 1985, he was a captain in the combat dive team, a highly trained professional soldier. Why was the decision taken to blow it up and sink it in Auckland Harbour? One option would have been to plant the bomb in Vanuatu or in Auckland and to delay the explosion when the boat would be offshore. This was certainly the safest for the operators but more dangerous for the crew. And it was immediately abandoned. Another option to contaminate the ship's fuel with bacteria was also abandoned. I don't know who decided to sink it, but it was clear that in Auckland, this was certainly easier, and the fact that the ship was docked was less dangerous for the crew. Because we thought, also, that due to the low tide, even if the boat was sunk, it would lay on the bottom not totally submerged. It was decided that the explosion could occur around midnight. It was thought that nobody would be in the engine room. Why two bombs? One bomb was expected to make the people to evacuate the boat, and the second to sink it. But Jean Luc Kister has revealed that's not what happened. He placed the first larger bomb on the hull next to the engine room. It was decided by the chief of operation to make the first one to explode in order that when there will be water inside the boat, at that time everybody will evacuate. But the ship sank much faster than they had expected. The second smaller bomb, clamped on the keel, was designed to keep people off the boat. But, in fact, it killed a man. EXPLOSION So how long was the delay between the two explosions? We trigger with four minutes' delay between the two bombs. Everything was done to prevent anybody to come back. Was four minutes really long enough, do you think, for people to evacuate? It was thought that it was enough time, but we didn't expect that the boat will sink so quickly. The plan was to sink the Rainbow Warrior while keeping the crew out of harm's way, but they got it wrong. One man paid for that mistake with his life. My dad has been murdered. After the break, 30 years on ` an apology. I would like to take this opportunity to express my deepest regrets. Hi. People coming and buy food. I know they smoking the naughty cigarette and take long time to order. I say, 'You too slow. You have a crispy duck. Sit down.' (LAUGHS) This lady just look at the cat. Looking, looking, looking. Why the lady looking the cat? I take away the cat, and she make the order. I think, 'How can she drive? Lady, be careful.' d We now know the French agents blew a hole in the Rainbow Warrior far larger than they had expected. Before the bombing, combat divers were watching their target. And we had seen that there was a sailing ship along the-the Rainbow. They had been ordered to place the first larger bomb portside, but realised this would have endangered anyone on board the yachts alongside. I decided to put it on the starboard of the boat, always thinking not to hurt anybody. There were three agents on the Zodiac carrying two bombs to sink the ship. Jean Luc Kister and Jean Cammas were the combat divers. Gerard Royal was the boatman. The two combat divers slipped into the water and were towed under the inflatable and released 500m from their target. And we are linked together by a rope because we are operating in the darkness. Whereabouts on the boat did you set the bombs? On the hull. It was on the hull? > Yeah. On board, a birthday party was underway. We were quite fortunate because the first bomb blew a 2m x 2m hole right in the side of the hull. I mean, the boat sank in 45 seconds. When you were planting the bombs, were you aware there were people on board? No. No, we didn't know anything on what was happening. And if there was some people on board, everything was done in order that they can evacuate. Wasn't there a real danger that the first blast could have killed people? No. We thought that nobody would be in the engine room at midnight. This is a photograph of the damage done by the bomb. It's a big hole. A much bigger hole than you would have thought? We didn't expect to have such a large hole in the hull. There was shrapnel that ripped through the upper decks. Did you calculate that that could have killed people? No, it was not expected to have any other damage. We had never the opportunity to test the real effect on a real boat. Fortunately, no one was in the engine room or on the upper decks. If the first bomb had gone off half an hour sooner, we would have lost 20 of us. In 1985, Peter Willcox was the skipper of Rainbow Warrior. He was in bed asleep when the first bomb exploded. We barely had enough time to get everybody off. And not everybody did get off. That's Fernando in the Marshalls, I suspect. Fernando had been in the mess and had gone to his cabin to get his cameras, and that's when the second bomb went off. And the second bomb trapped him in his cabin and drowned him. The second smaller bomb, supposedly designed to keep the crew off the boat, caused the drowning of photographer Fernando Perira. The captain of the Rainbow Warrior, Peter Willcox, says that this was murder, that you knew there were people were on board. Yes, I understand this point of view, but for us, on our side, we think that it was unfortunately an accidental death of an innocent ` Fernando Pereira. My dad has been murdered. I don't see it as manslaughter. I don't see it as accidental killing. 10 years ago, Sunday spoke to Fernando Pereira's daughter, Marelle. She was just 8 when her father died. Sometimes you think, 'Oh, why?!' I would like to take this opportunity given to me by the TV of NZ to express my deepest regrets and apologises to Miss Marelle Pereira and her family for the accidental death of Fernando Pereira. Are you hoping that when Marelle sees this that she will find it in her heart to forgive you? Uh, yes, I would like that she express any forgiveness for` for me, for us, for all the team, because we didn't intend to kill anybody during this operation. And the apologies didn't stop there. I want to apologise also to the Greenpeace members who were on board the Rainbow Warrior. And I want to apologise to the people of NZ for the unfair, clandestine operation conducted on... in a light, friendly and peaceful country. Why has it taken 30 years for you to make that apology? 30 years ago I was a soldier, and after that I was engaged in many operations also with United Nations security, and I had to obey to the orders at that time. But now I'm retired from the active service, and I want to abate my consciousness. But an apology 30 years on doesn't wash with Peter Willcox. Soldiers have to have some level of personal responsibility, and obviously they had none. So it's not good enough to say, 'I was acting on orders'? No, it's not. I think that's modern morality. And I think that the men that planted the amount of explosives that they did, proved without a doubt that they didn't care how many people they killed. Peter Willcox says it's not good enough for soldiers to simply say they were simply taking orders, they need to think through the morality of their actions. Normally, a soldier should not obey an illegal order. But this was an order given at the highest level of the government. So, yes, we had to obey the orders. Wasn't this a terrorist act? For us it was a sabotage operation and no more. Nobody's ever paid the price for Fernando's murder. Nobody. And France? France hasn't even apologised for it. They don't care. I think that's despicable. After setting the bombs, Jean Luc Kister made his getaway in the Zodiac to a rendezvous with a campervan near the Auckland Harbour Bridge. We heard on the radio that somebody was killed, and everybody was very very shocked. When did you realise that morally this was the wrong thing to do? Immediately when I knew that Fernando Pereira died. Is this something that has plagued you for the past 30 years; been on your conscience? Yes. Yes, many time I am thinking about these things because for me I have an innocent death on my consciousness. A week after the bombing, Jean Luc Kister and his dive buddy Jean Cammas were photographed at a youth hostel in Methven. We stayed in the country for 10 or 12 days, skiing in the South Island. Then they left NZ using false passports. < How did you feel when you found out that it was the French that were responsible? I was so shocked, so completely shocked. I mean, how could we, a bunch of hippies on an old steel trawler, scare a superpower so much they would set out to murder us? What possibly could we have done? We were speaking truth to power, that was about it. Is that really what scared them so badly? Were there repercussions within the DGSE about this? Was there any debate about what happened? There was no real debriefing at the DGSE headquarters because they were so much occupied with the problems in France. And it was a real political fiasco. After the break,... It could have been a Watergate, a French Watergate. They could have proved that the President was aware. And Colonel Kister shows me why France's decision to mount an attack in NZ was so very wrong. 5 Welcome back to our exclusive investigation. The French have now been implicated in the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior and the death of Fernando Pereira, but they are still denying culpability until a French newspaper reveals dramatic new information. By early September 1985, the French government was under pressure. (SPEAKS FRENCH) TRANSLATOR: No one in my ministry received an order to commit the attack against the Rainbow Warrior. Defence minister Charles Hernu denied ordering the bombing. The French agents arrested and imprisoned in NZ, he claimed, had simply been observing Greenpeace. But then the newspaper, Le Monde, dropped a bomb of its own, revealing that a third team of French combat divers had planted the explosives. It's a very traditional investigation. Finally, the truth is revealed by the press. Edwy Plenel was the police reporter on Le Monde. The Rainbow Warrior was sinked by a third team of French military. It was the missing link. He and his colleagues discovered the combat divers through a process of elimination. And finally we succeed to identify an officer, a sub-officer ` two guys, frogmen, to put the bomb. It was Kister and Cammas. When you ran that story, what was the government reaction? We publish our information on the Tuesday, and Charles Hernu and Admiral Lacoste dismiss on the Friday. Three days. The truth is that France organised this bombing and must apologise to NZ. The decision to sink the Rainbow Warrior came directly from the top in French politics. 30 years ago this month, the Defence Minister, Charles Hernu, resigned over his role in the affair, but what about the President, Mitterrand? He lasted in office for a further 10 years even though funding for the operation came directly from his office. The documents about the finance exist. Edwy Plenel says after Charles Hernu resigned, the French government continued a campaign of misinformation to protect the President. They said for many months there was no third team. Did Lauren Fabius know? No. No. And yet he was the prime minister? The Prime Minister was not involved. Only the army, the minister of defence, the president of the republic. Mitterrand gave the order, in fact. In France, the President is the chief of the army, and so sometimes there are directives between the minister of defence and the chief of the army, so Laurent Fabius was not aware. He was cut out of the loop? Yes. However, Jean Luc Kister believes someone in the Prime Minister's office leaked his name to the media. I thought that the leak is coming from a high level, politician level. On this point I don't agree with Colonel Kister. The reason we knew the name, was not the Prime Minister give us the name. Jean Luc Kister says being named as the diver who planted the bombs on the Rainbow Warrior cost him dearly. My family was very shocked. My wife was shocked by the fact that somebody died in this operation, because before the operation, she didn't know where I was. And a few years later I get divorced, like many of us. Colonel Kister told me he has been involved in many clandestine operations. He has been wounded several times and is a recipient of the Legion d'honneur, France's highest order. However, bombing the Rainbow Warrior was not his finest hour. For us, it was just like to use boxing gloves in order to crush a mosquito, you know. And it was a disproportionate operation. But we had to obey the order, and we were soldiers. To emphasise how disappointed he feels about the Auckland bombing, Jean Luc Kister wanted to take us to this World War II memorial, one of many scattered across northern France. Why is it important to you to bring us here? 7780 Kiwi soldiers died in France during the two world wars. Here among the Aussies, Canadians and Brits, lie Kiwi airmen killed while fighting to liberate France. For Jean Luc Kister, this more than anything is a symbol of why Operation Satanic was ill-conceived. It was wrong. A very wrong decision to conduct such an operation in an allied country, in a friendly country. There are the memories of these strong links between France and NZ. And we will always remember the sacrifice they have done for our country. President Francois Mitterrand remained close friends with former defence minister Charles Hernu, long after he sacked him. Both men have since died. Meanwhile, Peter Willcox is still busy saving the planet... HORN BLOWS ...in Rainbow Warrior III,... < MAN: Whoo! ...trying to prevent climate change and over-fishing. For him, Jean Luc Kister's apology changes little. They're the ones that have to live with themselves. They've made their bed. Let them sleep at night. Peter Willcox said it's probably 30 years too late. (SIGHS) It's never too late for apologise. Well, Jean Luc Kister asked to meet Fernando Pereira's daughter, Marelle, to offer a face-to-face apology. Marelle declined, saying, 'The fact that he seems truly remorseful 'is enough information for my family and I.' She said, 'He has to live with himself knowing what he did 'and what he was a part of.' Next, he's been slammed, his Paleo diet called a crusade and compared to selling Scientology, so is there really anything to Paleo Pete's diet? Mike Willesee takes 10 weeks to find out. I am cynical about your Paleo diet. Perfect. 'He challenged me to try his Paleo diet.' Can you do it, Mike? How long...? What's...? 'And I reluctantly accepted.' OK. I'll give it a go. I went cold turkey. OK. Here we go. 5 Welcome back. Eating diary, grains, sugar ` it's all banned if you want to believe that the Paleo diet is the way to go. Paleo first became popular in the States around 15 years ago, and is based on what's called 'clean-eating'. But like many diets, it comes served with a good dose of scepticism. With the help of Paleo chef Pete Evans, reporter Mike Willesee takes on a 10-week Paleo challenge to see if it really works. And he takes us on the journey. I've now gone more than two weeks without all the normal things that I eat and drink. I'm a little bit lethargic still and getting a few headaches. Not feeling good yet. The adventure's been great, and thanks. Week three was very difficult, but I'm starting to feel good now. The cravings for Coca-Cola are diminishing. I probably wouldn't feed any of this sort of cereal to my dog. A couple of people have noticed that I've lost some weight. I kept asking, you know, when the magic change would occur, and I was told week three, four or five. Look at that, mate. It seems to me that there is a significant shift now. OK, here we go. It's pretty good. ALL MOO Not long ago, I sat down with Pete Evans... Good to meet you. Gidday, Mike. How are ya? Good. Thanks for coming in. ...to talk about his contentious Paleo lifestyle. I'm cynical about your Paleo diet. Perfect. 'I ended up with way more than just an interview. 'He challenged me to try his Paleo diet.' Can you do it, Mike? How long...? What's...? 'And I reluctantly accepted.' OK, I'll give it a go. I'll try it. 'What a ride it has been.' First things first. My journey begins with a medical check-up. Well, that's a worry. I also had a blood test. My cholesterol was up. So too my homocysteine levels. There are two reasons why I wanted to do this. The first is because scientists disagree, sometimes strongly, about this question of whether we should or should not be eating foods like sugar and grains. So for the layman, it's very difficult to know which way to go. The second reason is that I hope it could improve my health, because earlier this year I had two unsuccessful back surgeries, followed by blood clots in my lungs. Pretty nasty. So the question of 'why' quickly became 'why not'. Let me explain how this works. We have two different fuels that we can use to run our bodies ` sugar and fat. 99% of us use sugar. When you adopt the Paleo lifestyle and you're eating good quality fats, small amounts of meat and beautiful fibrous vegetables, then you start to change how your body... what fuel it uses. 10 weeks ago, I was a sugar burner. I lived on soft drink. Then I stopped. I went cold turkey. I felt better before I started. The first few weeks of Paleo were tough. I get headaches and I get hungry, and then I look at the food available and I don't feel like eating it mostly. Some of it's quite nice, but it's not what I can eat, it's what I can't eat at the moment is the problem. I've become a Paleo purist ` no sugar, no dairy, no grains, no legumes, no processed foods, no alcohol and no caffeine. Pete, since I've been doing this, and people who know I'm doing it, the biggest question I get is why I can't eat certain foods while I'm on this diet. Sure. So can we run through a few? Yeah. Let's do it. Why can't I eat dairy? Well, you can eat dairy. It's a choice. You can eat anything you like. It just comes down to which choice. Now, you're doing this diet or lifestyle for 10 weeks. So the question I'd say is how do you feel by not having dairy? Do you feel worse, better or no different? I've got no idea because there are so many other things I'm not having. (LAUGHS) Well... I can't isolate one and say, well, if I'm feeling better it's because of dairy or grains or rice` Dairy is one of those foods that can cause inflammation for a lot of people. Why can't I eat grains which is a huge part of our` most of diets? You know, bread, pasta, etc. Well, I think you just hit the nail on the head there. Usually we've got grains into our diet three to four times per day. Now, this is generally what people eat day in and day out. I see them as a filler. I see them as, basically, nutrient-devoid fillers. Legumes. Yes. Peas, beans chickpeas and all those soy products. (CHUCKLES) Yes. Why can't I eat that? Whenever you think about beans, I mean, the first thing that comes to most people's minds is gas. So does that mean that it's good for your body if you're producing gas constantly, or does that mean that your body's actually working hard to break that down? The legumes, the grains, the dairy can produce inflammation in your body for some people. So by adopting this way of life, if you take those foods out, you're not going to die of a deficiency if you're eating an abundance of vegetables and beautiful quality meat and good quality fats. I'm eating more vegetables but far more salads. You know, salads to me used to be like a decoration they put next to your steak. And now I'm eating a lot of salad and actually enjoying them. That's the significant change for me. I'd recommend doing five every morning. And with the diet came the exercise. Nine weeks to go. # Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk # I'm a woman's man. No time to talk. # Music loud and women warm. I've been kicked around since I was born. # I haven't had comments on how I look except that a few people have noticed that I've lost weight. Here I am now, well past the halfway point. Is it because I've cut out dairy or grains or alcohol? I've no idea. But I am now walking to the shops to get the paper. It's not about calorie restriction. I mean, there are so many people out there banging the drum, 'You've got to count your calories,' or, 'You've got to count your points.' It's all bullshit. It really is. It's BS. If you eat nutrient-dense foods, then your body and brain will tell you when you've had enough to eat, and it will tell you when it's time to eat again. It's the most beautiful thing. I've a big beef with Paleo because you don't need to go that far. That's a no-brainer, isn't it, cos that's burger and fries. Yeah. Pete Evans' Paleo crusade has been widely criticised. Leading the charge ` the Dieticians Association of Australia. You don't have to be on Paleo necessarily to know that that's maybe not the best kind of lunch to be having. There's too many calories in that one. Matt O'Neill is a member of that association. What about the peas? Well, you can't eat those, can you? If I'm being strict with Paleo, no, I can't. Yeah. I mean, the legumes are out, but, you know, for me as a dietician, I look at legumes and I go, 'Hey, there's fibre in there. There's protein in there. There's antioxidants in there.' And that's lots of good stuff. You've got yoghurt there on your tandoori chicken. Dairy's out` That's got dairy? That's got dairy. That's yoghurt there. So you couldn't have that one as well, so I guess, in a way, you can see how potentially restrictive this is if you're going to be strict. Matt is also a qualified nutritionist. What is your criticism of Paleo? I guess the biggest thing is that it cuts out things that I'd want you to keep in your diet. You know, I guess I'd challenge you in a way and say that you can feel the same way with dairy, with grains, certainly with legumes and beans, but maybe just eating less of this stuff over here. And I think when people listen, they'll probably go, 'You know what, that's my problem. 'I just don't keep my mouth shut.' Yeah. And that was yours. It was glugging down the sugar. Yeah. And the burgers do look good. Everyone says, 'Pete, you're an extremist or an alarmist, 'and everything's OK in moderation.' Or, 'She'll be right, mate.' Now, how much type II diabetes would you like to have in moderation? Which heart disease do you want to have in moderation? Cancer in moderation? Any? When we come back, Mike is into week eight, and the dieticians really bite back. When it comes to the science, sometimes you have to go with the expert. They are partly sponsored by multinational food corporations. So how can they not have a conflict of interest? Oh, wow. It's sort of a love cake. It sure looks like it. I mean... Mmm. And I've been missing chocolate. 5 Well, it's week eight and it really seems like I've been doing this for a lot more than seven weeks. Um, but the closer I get to the finish, the more I think of what comes after, and, uh, you know, can I keep it up because it's...? Yeah, it's really gotta be more than just what you do at mealtime. It's part of your life, and I'm not sure of the answer yet. I've only got two weeks to go, but to Pete Evans, it's now a way of life. Hi, Pete. Gidday, Mike. Good to see you. You too. Come in. How long have you been doing this? Taking an interest in my health? On and off for about 20 years. How long have you been serious, sticking to this diet? Four years. Over four years now I've been eating the Paleo way or the Paleo lifestyle. And what's the change in you? The change in me? I was thinking about it today that... I feel good. Like I really feel good. I mean, I'm 42 years old. I'm not at the gym working out day in and day out. I'm not doing anything differently these days except I'm choosing to eat better food. Paleo, it's simple but it's very different from how most of us eat. Following the first part of my Paleo journey last week, we received a letter from the Dieticians Association of Australia. It said... It also added... The association you belong to, the Dieticians Association of Australia, seems to get very angry about Pete Evans and Paleo. Yeah. Look, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. Pete's a chef and I've never met Pete, and-and-and I know he's a fantastic chef, but he's not a dietician. When it comes to the science and that, I think sometimes you've got to go with the expert. I was interested in researching to find that the Dieticians Association of Australia, according to a publication called Eat, Drink, Politics, has an interesting list of sponsors and associated companies. I'll just give you a few. Nestle` I know who they are. < Kellogg's. Now I don't want to put any blame on the dieticians themselves, but that seems to me to be very odd. It's like that around the world. The dieticians' association in different parts of the world, in the USA, in the UK, in Australia, they are partly sponsored by multinational food corporations. So how can they not have a conflict of interest? Right. So you've picked a weakness in Pete's case. He's not an expert. He doesn't have the training that you have. On the other hand, your association has the perception of being biased because of the sponsors ` the people who put money` And I agree. That's a problem. And I think that should change. Most definitely. Our whole goal here is to promote a way of life... And I'm in a unique position, hosting Australia's number-one TV show... I mean, it would be easy for me not to do anything. Keep my head down and just do what I do. But nothing changes unless you stand up and speak the truth. And I'm speaking the truth, Mike. It's... It's as simple as that. I never set out to scientifically dissect the Paleo diet. For me, it was all about the challenge. I wanted to test myself. And my journey is not yet over. There's nothing that's driving me up the wall about it, but I'm starting to realise the difficulties that face me if I want to continue with this lifestyle. It's pretty disciplined. And I'm already making mistakes shopping. You know, I bought a yoghurt the other day and I think it's dairy-free and it is dairy-free, but then it's got sugar in it. And then I got another one and it was the other way round, so, you know, I'm making some silly mistakes. Yeah, the adventure's been great, and thanks, but my problem now is continuing and learning to shop. No, it's easy. I'm not very good at it. It is really simple. Let me show you the basics, OK? OK. Note to self: no cereal. I probably wouldn't feed any of this sort of cereal to my dog, let alone my kids. Look closely at the ingredients. One of the common misconceptions of myths out there is that low-fat is better for you. Look at this, for instance. We've got 99% fat-free here, but when they take the fat out, what do you think they replace it with to get the flavour in there? Sugar. My message too is don't be super strict. Don't let perfection get in the way of being really good with your diet. And I think that's the right approach. Beetroot ` fantastic. Lots of antioxidants. So I think that's where Pete and I are on the same page. We would be about 70% on the same page, but I think the 30%, we might have a stoush about. So how would you describe this fight? It's really emotional. I think it's where a boxer, you know, I'm trying to fight with the science, has come in with a cage fighter. You know, he's come in and is trying to kick everybody in the head and say, 'Here's the case for Paleo.' But I think people will sit back and they'll probably go, 'Actually, wait a sec. 'I do like the dairy. I do like some grains. They can't be that bad.' And, to be honest, they're not. And so it's that balance. ITALIAN OPERATIC MUSIC Well, there's been a lot of firsts for me in the last nine weeks. I've never dieted before. I have never kept a video diary. I've never shopped in farmers' markets. It's all new to me. I've never been to any markets. Really? Drinking stuff like kombucha... It tastes good. Eating stuff like kale. Um, 10 weeks ago, that would have sounded like a foreign language to me. ITALIAN OPERATIC MUSIC CONTINUES Hello. DOG BARKS Hi, Selda. My goodness. Gidday, Mike. Hey, beautiful boy. Mwah. Hi, food angel. Look at that. Look at that, mate. Oh wow. A little bit of a love cake. It sure looks like it. I mean... Mmm. And I've been missing chocolate. Oh. Look at that. You can eat chocolate, mate. But you can't eat it all at once. OK. And there's nothing in Paleo that says we have to share. Come on! ITALIAN OPERATIC MUSIC INTENSIFIES So what did 10 weeks on the Paleo diet do for me? Well, here are the results. My weight is down and the belt a bit tighter. But inside this old body of mine, the news is even better. The bad cholesterol has dropped 6%. And the good cholesterol has shot up by 60%. And those elevated homocysteine levels, which some doctors believe are potentially life-threatening, are now normal. Was this just because of the Paleo diet? I honestly don't know. 10 weeks of Paleo and it could not have come at a better time. It has opened my mind to what happens when I open my mouth. Just thinking about what I eat and drink is new to me. I've experienced the difference that going without sugar makes. I now know that I was addicted to sugar. I've gone without grains and dairy, legumes, beans, alcohol, and I haven't felt better in a long, long time. The added bonus is that I can now walk freely. So will I stick with Paleo? It's working for me, but 10 weeks is just the first chapter. Ooh, what will be the next? Let us know if this story has affected the way you think about Pete's Paleo diet? And if you were thinking his partner looked a bit familiar. Yes. That was Nicky Watson. Though we believe she's reverted to Nicola Robinson. That's our show for tonight. Join us on Facebook and Twitter, Sunday TVNZ. Thanks for joining us tonight. Ka kite i a koe a tera wiki. Po marie.