ALL RIGHT, WELCOME TO THE SHOW. THANKS FOR YOUR COMPANY THIS EVENING. IT'S NO SKINNY-DIPPING TONIGHT IN THE BEACHES, HEATHER. IT'S OFF, OK? YES. NOT SOMETHING I DO ANYWAY, SO I CAN'T SAY I'M THAT DISAPPOINTED. OK. WE'VE GOT A BIG INTERVIEW TONIGHT. YEAH, WE DO. WE WILL BE SPEAKING TO JAN ARNOLD, THE WIFE OF ROB HALL WHO DIED UP ON EVEREST. SHE WILL BE TELLING KATE ROGER HER STORY AND HOW SHE HELPED HOLLYWOOD GET AS CLOSE TO THE TRUTH AS POSSIBLE FOR THE BIG BUDGET MOVIE, EVEREST. FASCINATING. THEN, YOUNG MEN, YOUNG WOMEN, AND WHY THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID THE SAME MONEY FOR THE SAME WORK. AND THEN, WHEN IS A BEER NOT A BEER? WELL, WHEN IT'S A CRAFT BEER, SO SAYS DUNCAN. SO WE PUT HIM UP AGAINST A CRAFT BEER SNOB, MIKE. IT'S TIME FOR A NEW STORY. RETHINK WHAT YOU KNOW. STORY IS PROUDLY BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE ALL-NEW FORD MONDEO. CAPTIONS WERE MADE POSSIBLE WITH FUNDING FROM NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT ABLE 2015 ALL RIGHT, THANKS FOR YOUR COMPANY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THAT HAT THAT MIKE WAS WEARING IN THE BEER STORY ` THAT'S MY HAT THAT I GAVE HIM TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A CRAFT BEER MAN. AND WHY DID YOU TRY TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A CRAFT BEER SNOB? SO I AT LEAST WANTED HIM TO LOOK STUPID IF HE'S GONNA MAKE ME LOOK STUPID. COS YOU THINK HE'S GONNA MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A THUG WHO LIKES THE STUBBIES. I'M NOT SURE` NO, BUT` WELL, LET'S WATCH THIS LATER IN THE PROGRAMME. YEAH, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, SPOILER-ALERT ` I THINK DUNCAN STARTS LIKING THE CRAFT BEER. BUT FIRST, IT IS PRETTY HARD TO COMPREHEND THAT ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO JAN ARNOLD SPOKE ON THE PHONE TO HER HUSBAND ROB HALL FOR THE LAST TIME. HE WAS UP ON EVEREST, OF COURSE. WE ALL KNOW THE STORY. 'SLEEP WELL, MY SWEETHEART, PLEASE DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH.' IS WHAT HE SAID TO HER. ROB, OF COURSE, DIED, TRAPPED IN A STORM, AND NOW DECADES ON, A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE BASED ON THEIR STORY HAS JUST OPENED IN THE CINEMAS. YEAH, AND IN A TELEVISION EXCLUSIVE, KATE ROGERS SPEAKS WITH JAN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, BEING PORTRAYED BY KIERA KNIGHTLEY, AND SEEING IT ALL ON THE BIG SCREEN. DAUNTING MUSIC HUMAN BEINGS SIMPLY AREN'T BUILT TO FUNCTION AT THE CRUISING ALTITUDE OF A 747. ONCE WE GET ABOVE HERE, ABOVE THE SOUTH COL, OUR BODIES WILL BE LITERALLY DYING, AND I MEAN LITERALLY DYING. THIS IS EVEREST ` A NEW FEATURE FILM TELLING THE TRUE STORIES OF THE DOOMED EXPEDITIONS ATTEMPTING TO SUMMIT THE WORLD'S MOST TREACHEROUS PEAK IN 1996. EIGHT PEOPLE WOULD DIE, TWO OF THEM NZ MOUNTAIN GUIDES ` ANDY HARRIS AND ROB HALL. FOR ROB HALL'S WIDOW, JAN ARNOLD, CLOSE TO 20 YEARS ON, TELLING HER STORY RIGHT AND THOSE OF THE OTHERS INVOLVED WAS ALL THAT MATTERED. SHE'D BEEN APPROACHED SOON AFTER THE DISASTER ABOUT MAKING A FILM. IT WAS, OF COURSE, TOO SOON. A MOVIE AT THAT STAGE WAS JUST SOMETHING I COULDN'T POSSIBLY ENTERTAIN AT ALL, OR EVEN COMPREHEND, TO BE HONEST. MANY YEARS WOULD PASS BEFORE WORKING TITLE PICTURES FOUND IT AND BEVAN WOULD ASK HER AGAIN. ON A MOVIE LIKE THIS, WHERE IT'S BASED ON REAL LIFE EVENTS, IS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE TRUST OF THE PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES IT WAS BASED ON. JAN ARNOLD IS ESSENTIAL IN THE PROCESS. BEVAN AND HIS TEAM, INCLUDING JASON CLARK, THE AUSTRALIAN ACTOR WHO WOULD PLAY ROB, FLEW TO CHRISTCHURCH TO MEET WITH HER. THEY WERE ALL VERY WARM PEOPLE. THEY WERE ALL VERY WELL-INFORMED. SO NOT JUST SAYING, 'WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN DO THAT, 'WE CAN DELIVER THE WORLD.' THEY WERE REALISTIC. WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US THEY WOULD MAKE IMPORTANT TO THEM. AND TALKING TO JAN, ONE THING BECAME VERY CLEAR ` SHE WASN'T JUST MAKING THESE DECISIONS FOR HERSELF. SHE WAS SPEAKING TO THE OTHER KIWIS WHO'D LOST LOVED ONES ON THE MOUNTAIN. THAT WAS ALWAYS MY RESERVATION ` I FELT ENORMOUS RESPONSIBILITY THAT IF I SAID YES TO THIS, AND THEY WENT AHEAD, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO END UP WITH PEOPLE FEELING LIKE IT WASN'T THEIR STORY, THAT IT HURT OTHER PEOPLE. THE OTHER PERSON, IT SEEMED, JUST AS DETERMINED THIS BE DONE RIGHT, WAS JASON CLARK. WE WENT WALKING AND WE TALKED A LOT, AND HE WAS VERY INTERESTED TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL PICTURE OF ROB ` HOW HE WOULD BEHAVE IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, WHAT HE SOUNDED LIKE, HE LISTENED TO ENDLESS TAPES. HE WAS VERY ENGAGED IN THE PROJECT, AND THAT GAVE ME GREAT HOPE. AND THERE WAS NO FILM WITHOUT JAN. HER STORY, AND ROB'S IS THE EMOTIONAL CORE OF THIS FILM. THEIR HEART-BREAKING PHONE CALLS, HIM STRANDED ON EVEREST, HER BACK HOME IN NZ 33 WEEKS PREGNANT WITH THEIR DAUGHTER, SARAH. HOW'S THE WEATHER? IT'S GOOD. I WISH I WAS WITH YOU. ONE DAY, YOU ME AND LITTLE SARAH WILL ALL GO CLIMBING TOGETHER. WE'RE ON THE TOP OF EVEREST. WE MADE IT. ROB? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU'VE GOT TO GET MOVING. YOU'VE GOT TO COME ON DOWN. IF ANYONE CAN MAKE IT, YOU CAN. THERE'S AN AUDIO TAPE WHICH I LISTENED TO WHICH THEY'VE NEVER SHARED. 15 MINUTES OF ROB AT THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN WHEN IT ALL WENT PEAR-SHAPED. YOU KNOW, HEARING HIS VOICE AT THAT TIME, GOING, 'WOW, THAT'S EXTRAORDINARY.' HE FELT LIKE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB. HE NAILED IT, ACTUALLY. ALSO PRETTY SURREAL SEEING OSCAR NOMINEE KIERA KNIGHTLEY PLAY HER IN THE FILM. I WASN'T CERTAIN AT THE START, COS SHE HADN'T SPENT MUCH TIME WITH ME COMPARED TO JASON HAD SPENT, YOU KNOW, DAYS AND DAYS, AND, UM, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK SHE DID` SHE DID PLAY ME WELL. JAN WAS SHOWN A ROUGH CUT OF THE FILM. THE FINAL VERSION HAS NOW BEEN SHOWN TO ALL THE FAMILIES. ONCE AGAIN, IT WASN'T HER OWN EMOTIONS SHE WAS WORRIED ABOUT. THEIR DAUGHTER, SARAH, IS NOW 19. SHE NEVER KNEW HER FATHER, AND THIS IS HER VERY PERSONAL STORY TOO. I WAS WATCHING IT, REALLY WITH MY ARM AROUND` METAPHORICALLY AND LITERALLY, AROUND MY DAUGHTER, AND CHECKING OUT HOW IT WOULD BE FOR HER. (GRUNTS) BOTH EXCLAIM THANK YOU. DON'T DO THAT TO ME AGAIN, EH? FOR JAN, NOT EVERYBODY'S STORIES COULD BE TOLD AS WELL AS SHE'D HAVE LIKED. THE SHERPAS ON EVEREST WHO WENT BACK UP THE MOUNTAIN IN APPALLING WEATHER ON A DOOMED RESCUE MISSION ` SHE FEELS THEY'RE THE UNSUNG HEROES. THEY WENT UP AND THEY TRIED TO REACH ROB, AND THEY TRIED, AND THEY WERE SO SORRY AND SO... (SIGHS) IT WEIGHED ON THEM THAT THEY HADN'T MANAGED TO` TO, UM, BRING HIM DOWN. SOME PEOPLE, THEY CAN... THEY CAN SHINE A LIGHT AND THEY CAN SHOW YOU JUST WHAT YOU COULD BE OR WHAT YOU COULD DO ` EVEN THOUGH, TO YOU, YOU MIGHT THINK, 'OH NO, I COULDN'T...' BUT SOME PEOPLE, YOU HAVE THAT FAITH IN THEM, AND YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT FAITH IN THEM, AND, UM, ROB WAS ONE OF THOSE. EVEREST HAS JUST OPENED FOR KIWI AUDIENCES TODAY. ALONG WITH THE SPECTACLE, IT'S AN INCREDIBLY EMOTIONAL AND DEEPLY MOVING WATCH, AND FOR JAN, AN EXPERIENCE ONLY SHE WILL KNOW AS HER OWN. KNOWING HOW IT'S GOING TO END, EVEN THOUGH I OBVIOUSLY KNOW, AND IT'S BEEN 19 YEARS, I'M` I'M AT PEACE WITH THAT, WITH ROB'S DEATH, AND, UM... BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT DOES TRIGGER THOSE` THAT SENSE OF LOSS AND THAT SENSE OF LETTING SOMEONE GO. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LITERALLY HOLDING THEIR HAND ACROSS THE RADIO WAVES, AND THREE TIMES WE GOT TO DO THAT WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SO INCREDIBLY PRECIOUS. AND SO STRONG. UM, HOW HAUNTING WOULD IT BE, LISTENING TO THOSE PHONE CALLS? JAN SPOKE ABOUT THE THREE PHONE CALLS, NOW APPARENTLY THOSE PHONE CALLS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY RECORDED, SO THE ACTOR WHO PLAYED ROB HALL ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN JAN AND ROB. WHEN YOU WATCH THE MOVIE, THAT IS PROBABLY AS CLOSE AS YOU WILL EVER GET TO HEARING WHAT WAS REALLY SAID. I DON'T GET TO MANY MOVIES THESE DAYS BUT I REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS ONE. YEAH, THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ABSOLUTELY GRIPPING FILM. IF YOU ARE INTERESTING IN SEEING A STORY ABOUT THE MAKING OF THE MOVIE EVEREST, BEHIND THE SCENES, THEN HEAD TO OUR WEBSITE, THESTORY.NZ, THERE'S AN INCREDIBLE LOOK AT BEHIND THE SCENES. I'M TOLD THERE IS A LOT OF BEHIND THE SCENES ACTION. THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE FROM TOMORROW. AND IT FEATURES NZ-BORN PRODUCER TIM BEVAN, YOU SAW HIM IN THAT STORY THERE, HE GOES INTO WHAT THE ACTORS WENT THROUGH TO RECREATE THE DISASTER. AND APPARENTLY THEY'RE QUITE HONEST ABOUT WHY THEY PICKED NOT KIWI ACTORS TO PLAY THE LEAD ROLES BUT THOSE BIG ACTORS, AND NOT SO MANY WORDS, APPARENTLY. HE SAYS IT'S ALL ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE TO PART WITH $25 TO WATCH THE MOVIE. OH, REALLY? I'M SURE IT IS. ALSO, WE MUST MENTION THAT JAN ARNOLD HOSTED A FUNDRAISER SCREENING OF THE MOVIE IN HER HOMETOWN OF NELSON LAST NIGHT. SHE'S ASKED US TO REMIND YOU ALL OF THE HUGE FUNDRAISING EFFORT THAT'S UNDERWAY IN NEPAL FOLLOWING THE DEVASTATING EARTHQUAKE. IF YOU DO WANT TO DONATE, HERE ARE THE WEBSITES TO HEAD TO ` RIGHT, NOW, A QUICK UPDATE REGARDING MY INTERVIEW ON STORY LAST NIGHT ON CASEY COWAN, YOU'LL REMEMBER I HELPED TURN HIM IN TO POLICE IN AUCKLAND AFTER TWO WEEKS ON THE RUN. NOW, HE WAS HOPING THAT IF HE DID GO BACK IN TO CUSTODY CYFS WOULD RETURN HIS SON TO HIS EX-PARTNER HELENA. WELL, TODAY, I'VE CHECKED ALL THIS OUT. IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. CYFS SAY THEY STAND BY THEIR STATEMENT YESTERDAY THAT THE BABY'S RETURN WAS NEVER SUBJECT TO CASEY GOING BACK INTO CUSTODY AND THERE IS A MEETING TOMORROW. I'VE SPOKEN TO HELENA THIS AFTERNOON, THERE'S A MEETING TOMORROW ABOUT WHERE TO NEXT. SO WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON IT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT. COMING UP ON STORY ` GETTING THESE GIRLS TO EARN THE SAME AS THESE GUYS ` IT'S NOT HAPPENING YET, SO CAN WE CHANGE IT? AND DUNCAN AND MIKE DRANK BEER BEFORE LUNCHTIME TODAY, AND NOT JUST ANY BEER; WE HAVE GOT A CRAFT BEER CONFLICT ON OUR HANDS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WELCOME BACK. TONIGHT'S LIVE SHOT ` LOOK AT THIS. IT'S BACKSTAGE AT CATS WHICH OF COURSE YOU ALL KNOW IS THE HUGELY SUCCESSFUL ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER MUSICAL WHICH IS ON AT AUCKLAND'S CIVIC THEATRE TONIGHT. LOOK, WE ARE RIGHT THERE. IT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS COOL. WE'RE PRETTY LUCKY TO BE BACK HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT LONG BEFORE THESE PERFORMERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON STAGE, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE DISTRACTING THEM TOO MUCH. THE SHOW GETS UNDERWAY VERY SOON, AT 7.30, ACTUALLY, SO THAT'S NOT THAT FAR AWAY. THEY ARE ACTORS. THEY LOVE THE CAMERAS, LOOK AT THIS. OH. DID YOU KNOW THAT JUDY DENCH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FIRST-EVER CATS PRODUCTION? I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST-EVER ONE, BUT SHE GOT OUT OF IT BECAUSE SHE SNAPPED HER ACHILLES, AND THEN EILEEN PAGE TOOK OVER, AND EILEEN PAGE BECAME REALLY FAMOUS FOR SINGING THAT SONG 'MEMORIES', WHICH I KIND OF HATE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. DID YOU KNOW THEY DID 9000 PERFORMANCES IN A ROW? NO, I DID NOT KNOW THAT. FROM 1981. THAT IS AN INCREDIBLE FACT. THAT'S HOW BIG IT IS. YEAH, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO, I LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE TODAY, LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE STILL TICKETS AVAILABLE. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FROM CATS TO SOMETHING THAT IS CONTROVERSIALLY REFERRED TO AS THE UTERUS TAX. DOES THAT OFFEND YOU? NO, NO. YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THE THICKEST SKIN IN THE GAME. NOTHING OFFENDS ME. UTERUS TAX IS A PRETTY NASTY WAY OF DESCRIBING WHAT IS BASICALLY A REFERENCE TO HOW MUCH MORE WOMEN PAY FOR THINGS AND HOW MUCH LESS THEY OFTEN GET PAID, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE WOMEN, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AT THE MINUTE. OK. I SHOULDN'T BE OFFENDED BY IT THOUGH, SHOULD I? YOU GET PAID MORE THAN ME, EH? SUFF` DO I WORK HARDER OR LESS HARDER? OOH! WE SHOULD NOT GET INTO THIS ON NATIONAL TELEVISION. NO, WE WON'T, NO. IT WILL NOT END WELL. SO SATURDAY IS SUFFRAGE DAY, SO IT SEEMS A GOOD TIME TO LOOK AROUND AND ASK OURSELVES WHAT KATE SHEPHERD, THE EQUALITY PIONEER THAT WE'RE SO PROUD OF, WHAT SHE WOULD THINK OF THIS MODERN WORLD THAT WE HAVE CREATED. SO DAN PARKER, WE SENT HIM ALONG TO LOOK AT THIS. THESE YEAR 13 STUDENTS FROM HERETAUNGA COLLEGE ARE JUST MONTHS AWAY FROM GETTING OUT INTO THE WORLD. THAT MEANS UNIVERSITY FOR SOME AND WORK FOR OTHERS. I WOULD LIKE TO BE A SOCIAL WORKER. A DOCTOR. I WANT TO STUDY AGRI-COMMERCE. FILM. MARKETING. I WANT TO BECOME A NURSE. A PE TEACHER. RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THE GIRLS IN THIS GROUP LIVING THOSE DREAMS, BUT LET'S HOPE THEY DON'T EXPECT TO BE PAID THE SAME AS THEIR MALE PEERS, BECAUSE AS THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW, THEY WON'T BE. THE MINISTRY OF WOMEN'S AFFAIRS HAS CALCULATED THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR A MAN EARNS IN NZ, A WOMAN WILL EARN JUST 91 CENTS. SO DESPITE NZ'S EQUAL PAY LEGISLATION, WE STILL HAVE A GENDER PAY GAP. WHILE IT IS THE LOWEST IN THE OECD, IT'S STILL SOMETHING I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF. IT'S A BROAD FIGURE AND NOT BASED ON ANY ONE INDUSTRY. IT COMES FROM AN AVERAGE. WOMEN ARE GETTING PAID LESS FOR DOING THE SAME JOB, AND THEN WOMEN ARE NOT RAISING AS HIGH UP THE CAREER LADDER, SO THEY GET PAID LESS IN THAT CONTEXT. THEY'RE CHOOSING LOWER-PAID INDUSTRIES. ON SATURDAY IT'S SUFFRAGE DAY. WE CELEBRATE BECOMING THE FIRST COUNTRY TO FINALLY ALLOW WOMEN TO VOTE. BUT AN ALARMING NEW SURVEY SUGGESTS WE MAY NOT BE LEADING IN OTHER AREAS OF GENDER EQUALITY. 250 PROFESSIONAL WOMEN WERE ASKED WHETHER THEY FEEL THEY'RE TREATED EQUALLY IN THE WORKPLACE. JUST 36% SAID YES WHILE 55% FELT MEN WERE TREATED MORE FAVOURABLY. THEY WERE ALSO ASKED WHETHER MEN AND WOMEN ARE TREATED EQUALLY WHEN IT COMES TO JOB OPPORTUNITIES. 38% AGREES, 56% SAID NO. BUT LINDA CLARK, WHO'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN A NUMBER OF INDUSTRIES SAYS WE CAN'T BLAME IT ALL ON MEN. I THINK I THINK UNCONSCIOUS BIAS BOTH FOR FEMALES AND MALES HOLDS WOMEN BACK, AND WE DO IT TO OURSELVES. THE SYSTEM DOES IT TO US, BUT WE ALSO DO IT TO OURSELVES, COS WE THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE` WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES FORWARD FOR PROMOTION, WE DON'T ASK FOR AS MUCH MONEY, AND THE STATS SAY THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. CLARK SAYS THINGS WILL CHANGE WHEN STEREOTYPES ARE FURTHER ERASED AND EMPLOYERS BECOME MORE FLEXIBLE, A SENTIMENT ECHOED BY THE WOMEN'S COUNCIL. EMPLOYERS ARE A REALLY IMPORTANT GROUP, BECAUSE EVERYONE INTERACTS WITH THE WORKFORCE IN SOME STAGE, OR A MEMBER OF THEIR FAMILY DOES; THEIR PARTNER. SO EMPLOYERS HAVE A HUGE ROLE TO PLAY. AND SO DO THE NEXT GENERATION OF EMPLOYERS, CEOS AND BOSSES. I THINK THERE IS GENDER INEQUALITY. SOME JOBS I WOULDN'T GO INTO BECAUSE I WOULD BE WORKING AS HARD AS A MAN BUT HE WOULD GET PAID MORE EVEN WITH ME DOING THE SAME JOB. IF I WANT SOMETHING THEN I'M GOING TO GET IT. SO HOW DO WE FIX IT? THE SOLUTIONS BEING OFFERED INCLUDE THROWING AWAY STEREOTYPES, REDUCING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND BEING FLEXIBLE AROUND PARENTING COMMITMENTS. AND THEN THERE'S A BONUS FOR COMPANIES THAT TAKE UP THIS CHALLENGE ` RESEARCH SUGGESTS THE MOST DIVERSE COMPANIES ARE OFTEN THE MOST PROFITABLE. WHAT'S THE ANSWER? TO WHAT QUESTION? TO THIS MASSIVE QUESTION ABOUT EQUALITY AND PAY AND... I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO CHANGE THEIR ATTITUDES AND I THINK THAT ONE THING THAT WE'VE ALL STRUCK UPON RECENTLY IS THAT WOMEN ACTUALLY NEED TO GO A LITTLE BIT HARDER AND ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT LINDA CLARK IS RIGHT AS WELL ` THERE IS A SYSTEM HERE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THAT SYSTEM, THERE ARE WOMEN AND MEN IN THAT SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, I'LL TELL YOU AND INTERESTING STORY, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I'LL TELL YOU AN INTERESTING STORY THAT CAME OUT THIS WEEK. SIENNA MILLER, THE ACTOR IN BRITAIN, WALKED AWAY FROM A JOB THIS YEAR ` A STAGE JOB ` BECAUSE SHE KNEW SHE WAS GETTING PAID HALF WHAT HER MALE` MALE, UM, CO-WHATEVER HE'S CALLED. SO SHE STOOD UP? SHE STOOD UP? YEP. YEP. OK. WELL, I'M OFF, THEN. (LAUGHS) STAY WHERE YOU ARE. STILL TO COME ON STORY ` WE TOOK ONE MIKE, ONE DUNCAN AND A WHOLE LOT OF CRAFT BEER. WE'LL SHOW YOU THE MESSY RESULT ` IT'S NOT TOO MESSY ` AND THE FIGHTS THEY HAD AFTER THE BREAK. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAMME. PEOPLE ON TWITTER ASSUME THAT I GET PAID MORE THAN YOU. YES, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDBACK DURING THE BREAK ABOUT THE FACT THAT` UH, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT` ABOUT GENDER PAY BEFORE, AND EVERYBODY ASSUMES THAT DUNCAN MUST GET PAID MORE THAN ME, WHICH SAYS A LOT ABOUT OUR ATTITUDES TOWARDS GENDER PAY. IT SAYS EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. EVERYONE ASSUMES. WE ALL ASSUME THAT THIS IS THE CASE. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, LOOK, ARE YOU GOING TO FIGHT IRENE VAN DYK? VAN DYK? ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT? UM, I THINK THAT I MIGHT ACTUALLY BE OFF THE HOOK, RIGHT? AM I NOT? AREN'T YOU RELIEVED ABOUT THAT? NAH, OK, COS HAVE A LOOK AT THIS. EVEN THOUGH I WAS CHALLENGED BY IRENE TO THE 'FIGHT FOR LIFE' BOXING MATCH, SOMEONE ELSE APPARENTLY IS WAY KEENER THAN I AM. THEY CAN HAVE IT. IT'S INFAMOUS STREAKER, ONCE-UPON-A-TIME NAKED NEWSREADER, HAMILTONIAN LISA LEWIS. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. IRENE VAN DYK, YOU WANTED A CALL-OUT? HERE'S YOUR CALL-OUT. I PROPOSE IRENE VAN DYK AND LISA LEWIS FIGHT IT OUT IN THE RING. YOU CALL YOURSELF A WAIKATO GIRL, BUT TO BE HONEST, I'VE NEVER HEARD A WAIKATO GIRL SOUND WITH AN ACCENT LIKE THAT. HEIGHT ISN'T A PROBLEM FOR ME. SHOULD BE A WALK IN THE PARK FOR YOU, IRENE. YOU'RE A WORLD-RENOWNED ATHLETE, BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING ` I WILL FEEL BAD PUNCHING AN OLD LADY. DING! DING! OOH, PUNCHING AN OLD LADY? YOU KNOW WHAT, LISA? UM, YOU CAN HAVE IT. I WAS GONNA SAY ` ALL YOURS. ALL YOURS, MATE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY WANNA HAVE TO PUNCH SOMEBODY AS NICE AS IRENE. YOU WEREN'T THAT KEEN IN THE END, WERE YOU? SO YOU CAN DO IT. SO THIS IS OFFICIALLY I'M NOT DOING THE FIGHT FOR LIFE. IT'S OFF. OK, CRAFT BEER SNOBS. OK, THEY ARE THE NEW WINE AFICIONADOS, THE NEW COFFEE CONNOISSEURS, THE NEW KNOW-IT-ALLS. AM I RIGHT? DO YOU LIKE CRAFT BEER? I LIKE CRAFT BEER, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD GET INTO A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THEM ABOUT IT. I DID THIS MORNING WITH MIKE-WESLEY SMITH, AND I KNOW THAT CRAFT BEER ACTUALLY IS GETTING QUITE POPULAR, AND IT'S GETTING POPULAR FAST. YEAH, IT IS GETTING VERY POPULAR AND SO POPULAR THAT THE BEST IN THE BEER BUSINESS ARE GATHERING THIS WEEKEND TO NAME NZ'S CHAMPION BREWERY. BUT WHAT IS BETTER? CRAFT BEER OR NORMAL BEER? WELL, WE SENT MIKE AND MY MATE DUNCAN OVER HERE ` OUR TWO OPPOSING ALE ADVOCATES ` TO ARGUE IT OUT. 'IF WE WERE BEERS, DUNCAN WOULD BE A LAGER. AND ME? AN INDIA PALE ALE.' GENERAL BEER OR CRAFT BEER? GENERAL. CRAFT BEER FOR ME. 'TO BE HONEST, MANY OF DUNCAN'S BEER OPINIONS, I CONSIDER TO BE SIMPLE BROTH. 'SO WE DECIDED TO COME TO BEER BROTHERS FOR A BLIND TASTE-OFF 'WITH SO-CALLED NORMAL BEER AND CRAFT BEERS.' ALL RIGHT, BENJI. LET THE TASTING BEGIN. OH GOSH. LOOK AT THIS. OH SHIVERS. 'ASSISTANT BREWER BENJI WOULD BE OUR BEER MINISTER.' ALL TALK OVER EACH OTHER, CHUCKLE DING! DING! 'WE WOULD COMPARE FOUR STANDARD BEERS TO MORE CRAFTY TYPES.' I PICKED IT ALREADY. BUT THAT'S OK. CARRY ON. NO, NO, I MIGHT BE WRONG. 'NOW, DESPITE WHAT THE LILAC SHIRT MIGHT SUGGEST, 'DUNCAN WOULD SPIT OUT HIS BEVERAGE IF YOU CALLED HIM A CRAFT-BEER DRINKER.' CAN I JUST STOP YOU THERE? I'M NOT ANTI-CRAFT BEER. OK. BUT I'VE BEEN VERY MUCH A STANDARD-BEER DRINKER. AMERICAN RESEARCH SHOWS THAT MOST CRAFT-BEER DRINKERS ARE THOSE WHO ARE NOT MIDDLE-AGED. 'OK, WE'RE GONNA CHUCK SOME BEER FACTS INTO THE STORY.' WOULD THAT BE YOUR EXPERIENCE? 'BEER FACT ONE ` NZ'S BEER-BREWING INDUSTRY IS WORTH $2.2 BILLION ANNUALLY.' OK, CHEERS. 'BACK AT THE TASTING, AND AFTER ROUND ONE, DUNCAN AND I VOTED FOR THE CRAFT BEER.' UH, YEAH, YEAH. THERE'S NO LOVE IN THERE. THAT'S BEER-SNOB FACE. 'NOW, DUNCAN THINKS CRAFT-BEER DRINKERS LIKE ME HAVE A SUPERIOR ATTITUDE.' YOU'LL FIND... FIND PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE WHAT YOU CAN DESCRIBE AS A SNOBBISH ATTITUDE, BUT ONLY SO MUCH AS YOU'LL FIND, SAY, LAGER DRINKERS ARE STRICTLY LOYAL TO THEIR BRAND. 'EXACTLY RIGHT, AND AFTER ROUND TWO, WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT 'THAT DUNCAN HAD AGAIN BEEN SEDUCED BY MORE SOPHISTICATED SUDS?' IT IS SOMETHING ABOUT... THE AROMA. OH. I CAN'T DO THAT THING AND MOVE MY FINGERS. 'BEER FACT TWO ` ON AVERAGE, KIWIS DRINK 64.1 LITRES PER PERSON A YEAR. 'BENJI EXPLAINED THE SECRET TO WINNING OVER CRAFT-BEER SCEPTICS LIKE DUNCAN 'IS TO GIVE THEM WHAT IS CALLED A GATEWAY BEER.' SOMETHING'S THAT'S NOT GONNA OVERWHELM THE PEOPLE GETTING INTO CRAFT BEER. THERE ARE SOME IPAS IN PARTICULAR, IF SOMEONE'S NEVER HAD ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, DRINKS` IT'S LIKE A MEAL IN A GLASS, ISN'T IT? 'AND THEN AS THE BEER FLOWED INTO ROUND THREE, DUNCAN'S HIDDEN AFFECTION FOR CRAFT BEER 'BEGAN NOT TO JUST BUBBLE BUT BURST TO THE SURFACE, KIND OF LIKE A GEYSER.' IT'S GOT A RICHNESS. MORE FLAVOUR, MORE KICK, MORE BOUNCE. IT'S GOT MORE AROMA. QUITE FRUITY. QUITE CHOCOLATE-Y, RASPBERRY, SOMETHING. I MEAN, YOU CAN EVOLVE AS A... IT'S A BEERVOLUTION. BEERVOLUTION. OH GOD. 'BUT THE BEERVOLUTION OWES AS MUCH TO LADIES' INFLUENCE AS THE LADS'. 'BEER FACT THREE ` UNTIL MODERN TIMES, MOST PROFESSIONAL BREWERS WERE WOMEN, 'KNOWN AS BREWESSES OR ALEWIVES. 'BUT THIS STAGE, DUNCAN WAS SIMPLY UNRECOGNISABLE FROM THE CRAFT CYNIC I HAD ENCOUNTERED AT THE START. CRAFT BEER IS FULL OF FLAVOUR AND IT'S DELICIOUS, AND I'VE REALLY ENJOYED IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE STANDARD BEER, IN COMPARISON, HAS ALL TASTED THE SAME AND HAS BEEN VERY BLAND. 'WE THEN GOT A CONFESSION NO ONE WAS EXPECTING.' CAN YOU GUARANTEE THE WATCHING PUBLIC THAT YOU MIGHT TAKE CRAFT BEER ON YOUR NEXT PIG-HUNTING TRIP? YES. 'SO FOUR ROUNDS, FOUR CRAFT-BEER WINS AND ONE CRAFT CONVERT.' NO, BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT WAS A SUCCESS? YEAH, IT WAS NICE. IT WAS NICE. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW ALL I NEED IS A BEARD, A BAD JERSEY AND SOME SKINNY JEANS. YOU WENT ROUGH ON THESE GUYS. YOU LIKED IT. DO YOU KNOW THE WORST THING ABOUT THAT? IT'S HAVING TO DRINK AT 10 IN THE MORNING, AND THEN DO RADIO ALL AFTERNOON, AND NOW THIS. OH, HE'S SO SORRY ABOUT DRINKING AT 10 IN THE MORNING (!) NICELY DONE. IT'S A BIT EARLY. HEY, WE'RE GONNA ROUND THE WEEK OUT WITH A VERY SPECIAL EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW. IT'S A BRAND-NEW SINGLE FROM THE AUCKLAND PHILHARMONIA ORCHESTRA ` REMIX THE ORCHESTRA GROUP ` AND GIVEN WHAT WE JUST PLAYED YOU, IT'S ALL ABOUT RESPONSIBLE DRINKING. SO IT'S VERY CLEVERLY CALLED, 'REMEMBER A NIGHT, NOT A MINUTE.' IF YOU WANT TO WATCH THE FULL VIDEO, A FREE DOWNLOAD WILL BE AVAILABLE TOMORROW AT APO.CO.NZ. NOW UP NEXT ON 3 ` THE AUDITIONS CONTINUE ON THE X-FACTOR UK. BUT THAT'S IT FOR US FOR THIS WEEK. THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR STORIES WITH US, AND THAT'S STORY TONIGHT. RAPS: # I'LL JUST HAVE A COUPLE, GOT AN EARLY START, # COS I WANT TO PLAY A GAME, START WITH A PACK OF CARDS. # YOU CAN PUT THAT DOWN TO MY BEATING HEART. # CHECK THIS SPACE COS I DIG THEM UP. # I WON'T BE LONG. I AIN'T SLEEPING. # ALWAYS GOT ME THINKING WILL I DRINK AGAIN. # JUST A LITTLE FUEL COS I THINK I'LL WIN. GOT MY CRAZY CREW TRYING TO DRINK AGAIN. # SINK OR SWIM TO THE OTHER SIDE. TRYING TO DRIVE. IMAGINE ALL THE TIME. # DRIVE SAFE. ENJOY THE TIME. JUST SAY NO. GOT TO WORK AT 5. CAN'T BE HUNG-OVER... # CAPTIONS BY SHELLEY UPCHURCH AND JOHN LING. WWW.ABLE.CO.NZ CAPTIONS WERE MADE POSSIBLE WITH FUNDING FROM NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT ABLE 2015 IT'S TIME FOR A NEW STORY. RETHINK WHAT YOU KNOW. STORY IS PROUDLY BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE ALL-NEW FORD MONDEO.