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Hosted by Samantha Hayes and Duncan Garner, 3D brings viewers the big stories of the week - stories to make you wonder, think and talk about the next day.

Primary Title
  • 3D
Date Broadcast
  • Monday 12 October 2015
Start Time
  • 21 : 30
Finish Time
  • 22 : 00
Duration
  • 30:00
Channel
  • TV3
Broadcaster
  • MediaWorks Television
Programme Description
  • Hosted by Samantha Hayes and Duncan Garner, 3D brings viewers the big stories of the week - stories to make you wonder, think and talk about the next day.
Classification
  • Not Classified
Owning Collection
  • Chapman Archive
Broadcast Platform
  • Television
Languages
  • English
Captioning Languages
  • English
Captions
Live Broadcast
  • Yes
Rights Statement
  • Made for the University of Auckland's educational use as permitted by the Screenrights Licensing Agreement.
Hosts
  • Duncan Garner (Host)
  • Samantha Hayes (Host)
CAPTIONS WERE MADE POSSIBLE WITH FUNDING FROM NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT ABLE 2015 KIA ORA. GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT ` I'M ALONGSIDE A GROUP OF HARDENED BLACK POWER MEMBERS AS THEY SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO DRUG TESTING. WHAT'S THE MOOD LIKE IN THERE TONIGHT? ARE PEOPLE A BIT NERVOUS? I'M CONFIDENT THAT THE BOYS THAT HAVE SAID THAT THEY ARE CLEAR ARE CLEAN. BUT FIRST, THE 'HEINOUS INCIDENT', AS TRUDY TAPSELL CALLS IT. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT NAME 'TAPSELL'. HER FATHER WAS THE LATE SIR PETER TAPSELL. HE WAS A PROMINENT POLITICIAN AND ONCE THE SPEAKER OF PARLIAMENT. SO WHEN TRUDY KILLED HIS MOTHER ` HER GRANDMOTHER ` EVERYONE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT ON EARTH HAD HAPPENED. HERE SHE IS IN HER ONLY INTERVIEW, WITH PAULA PENFOLD. WHIRRING ARCHIVE: MAY TAPSELL WAS FOUND DEAD IN THE EASTERN MAORI MP'S HOME AT 6 O'CLOCK LAST NIGHT. DECEMBER 1991 ` AN 87-YEAR-OLD WOMAN IS KILLED IN ROTORUA. I CAN SAY THAT MRS TAPSELL DIED A VIOLENT DEATH. SHE'D BEEN DECAPITATED AND DISMEMBERED. ARCHIVE: A 26-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WAS ARRESTED AT THE SCENE. POLICE SAY SHE WAS ALONE IN THE HOUSE WITH MAY TAPSELL AT THE TIME OF THE MURDER. THE KILLER WAS MRS TAPSELL'S GRANDDAUGHTER TRUDY. SHE WAS LATER FOUND NOT GUILTY BY REASON OF INSANITY, SUFFERING FROM PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIA. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME TRUDY TAPSELL HAS SPOKEN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S STILL WITH YOU, ISN'T IT? YOU STILL LIVE WITH THIS EVERY DAY? YES, I DO. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? I THINK ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, IT'S MANAGEABLE NOW. IT'S 25 YEARS LATER. THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO EXCEPT MAKE SURE IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. THE CASE ATTRACTED ATTENTION NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF ITS SHOCKING NATURE, BUT BECAUSE HER FATHER WAS FORMER POLICE MINISTER SIR PETER TAPSELL. THE VICTIM WAS HIS MOTHER. YOU WERE CLOSE TO YOUR GRANDMOTHER? YEAH, I WAS. SHE LIVED ACROSS THE ROAD FROM US, GROWING UP. I SPENT THE FIRST 18 YEARS OF MY LIFE AT HER HOUSE. SHE WAS VERY KIND, CARING, LOVING, TOUGH BUT YET SOFT AT THE SAME TIME. POIGNANT MUSIC WATER GUSHES, GURGLES SO HOW DID TRAGEDY HIT THIS ADMIRED AND RESPECTED ROTORUA FAMILY? HOW COULD IT HAVE HAPPENED ` A DESCENT INTO SUCH AN EXTREME STATE THAT SHE COULD KILL SOMEONE SHE LOVED SO MUCH? TAKE ME BACK TO THE MONTHS LEADING UP TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOUR GRANDMOTHER. WHAT WAS YOUR LIFE LIKE? I JUST EXISTED, BASICALLY. I DIDN'T HAVE A LIFE. I WAS SO UNWELL ` HEARING VOICES, SEEING THINGS, UM, DELUSIONAL THOUGHTS, THINKING THAT MY FATHER'S JOB WAS IN TROUBLE. LOTS OF BIZARRE THOUGHTS, ACTUALLY. TRUDY'S OLDER BROTHER, REES TAPSELL, SAYS THE ILLNESS FIRST BECAME OBVIOUS SEVERAL YEARS EARLIER. SHE WAS SAYING STRANGE THINGS AND DOING STRANGE THINGS, VERY PARANOID, TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE AROUND TOWN WATCHING HER. YOU TRIED TO GET HER TREATMENT. WE HAD TO GET HER TREATMENT; SHE AGREED TO COME ALONG. SHE WOULD ENGAGE WITH SERVICES; SHE WOULD TAKE THE MEDICATION FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BEGIN TO BELIEVE THAT SHE DIDN'T NEED IT, STOP TAKING IT, AND THEN QUITE CLEARLY DETERIORATE. MY FAMILY WERE TRYING DESPERATELY TO GET HELP FOR ME, BUT I WOULDN'T LISTEN. HAUNTING MUSIC ARE YOU READY TO GO BACK THERE TO 'THE INCIDENT', AS YOU CALL IT? ARE YOU READY TO TALK ABOUT THAT? YEAH. DO YOU REMEMBER THE DAY? UM, IT WAS IN DECEMBER, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE. BUT I REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED. I DO REMEMBER THAT. THE VOICES WERE REALLY BAD, AND IT WAS JUST GRAN AND I AT HOME. MM. HAUNTING MUSIC IT HAPPENED, YEAH. IT WAS HORRIBLE. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU WERE TOLD? MUM JUST TOLD ME THAT WHILST TRUDY WAS UNWELL, SHE'D KILLED MY GRANDMOTHER. DO YOU KNOW, THEN, WHY YOU DID WHAT YOU DID? WELL, I PUT IT DOWN TO BAD VOICES I WAS HEARING. AND WHEN I SAY VOICES, IT'S LIKE... HOW I COULD EXPLAIN IT IS IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO MUSIC ON YOUR MP3, AND YOU CAN HEAR THE MUSIC GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD. YOU CAN HEAR IT. THAT'S WHAT VOICES ARE LIKE. NO ONE ELSE CAN HEAR IT. AND WHAT WERE THEY SAYING TO YOU? THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGATIVE STUFF. THEY GOT REALLY BAD. THEY WERE SAYING THAT... BASICALLY SHE WAS OUT TO GET ME AND SHE WAS A DEMON ` A LOT OF REALLY CRAZY STUFF ` AND 'THIS IS HOW WE DEAL WITH DEMONS,' AND I THOUGHT IT WAS REAL. AND THAT YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THEIR INSTRUCTIONS? YEAH. HOW DO YOU MAKE SENSE OF THAT WHEN IT WAS SOMEBODY YOU LOVED SO MUCH? I DON'T. I CAN'T. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WOULD THINK SUCH NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT ME, COS I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT MYSELF. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. NO, IT DOESN'T. I JUST KNOW I JUST HAD NO CONTROL OVER IT. WE DON'T DO THESE THINGS ON PURPOSE. I DIDN'T ASK TO BE A SCHIZOPHRENIC. THIS IS THE FORENSIC WARD IN 1992. I CAME HERE. I DIDN'T SPEND A LARGE AMOUNT OF MY STAY IN THIS WARD, BUT I REMEMBER IT QUITE WELL. LOOKING AT IT NOW, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE IT FULL OF PEOPLE, ISN'T IT? YEAH. AT ONE STAGE IT WAS CHOCK-A-BLOCK WITH PEOPLE. HYPNOTIC MUSIC IT DEFIES ANY RATIONAL THOUGHT THAT SOMEONE COULD BECOME SO MENTALLY UNWELL, SO PSYCHOTIC THAT THEY KILL SOMEONE THEY DEEPLY LOVE. WHERE WERE YOU HERE? THAT'S MY ROOM THERE. RIGHT HERE'S YOUR ROOM? THIS ROOM HERE. WOW. WHAT'S IT LIKE INSIDE? IT'S QUITE COLD AND DARK, AND IT'S NOT REALLY A PLEASANT ROOM. TRUDY TAPSELL WAS SENT HERE TO THE NOW ABANDONED TOKANUI HOSPITAL. SHE CREDITS HER TREATMENT HERE WITH GETTING WELL. IT'S A PLACE WHEN I FIRST REALISED WHAT I'D DONE, WHEN I GOT BETTER. I DON'T HAVE VERY GOOD MEMORIES OF THAT TIME IN THERE. WHAT MADE YOU...? IN THAT ROOM, WHAT MADE YOU REALISE WHAT YOU'VE DONE? WHY WAS IT THEN? IT WAS JUST THE STAGE OF TREATMENT, I THINK. I HAD BEEN TREATED FOR A WHILE, AND THEN I SLOWLY REALISED WHAT I'D DONE, AND THAT'S HOW I FELT. HAUNTING MUSIC IT WAS TRUDY'S INSIGHT INTO WHAT MADE HER KILL HER GRANDMOTHER THAT CONTRIBUTED TO DOCTORS FINDING HER WELL ENOUGH ` AFTER SIX YEARS AT TOKANUI ` TO LEAVE, BE RELEASED BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY. COME HERE, GIRL. AND SO BEGAN HER DRIVE TO LEAD AN ORDINARY LIFE. SHE FIRST GOT A JOB AS A RECEPTIONIST BUT WANTED MORE, TAKING UP COURSES IN BUSINESS AND COMPUTING. DOG BARKS THEN A SOCIAL WORK DEGREE, ACHIEVED, SHE SAYS, THROUGH HARD WORK, DETERMINATION AND MEDICATION, VIA A MONTHLY INJECTION OF AN ANTI-PSYCHOTIC DRUG. THIS IS YOUR SITUATION FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? YEAH, IT IS. I WOULDN'T WANT TO TAKE A RISK AND GO OFF IT. I DON'T THINK ANY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL WOULD SUPPORT THAT EITHER. WE'RE HERE TODAY TO LOOK AT MENTAL HEALTH AND AWARENESS WEEK, WHICH IS COMING UP... MAYBE IT'S SOME FORM OF ATONEMENT THAT TRUDY IS NOW A PEER-SUPPORT WORKER IN FORENSIC MENTAL HEALTH AT THE WAIKATO DISTRICT HEALTH BOARD. AND WITH OTHER STAFF, SHE REPRESENTS THE PATIENTS' VOICE. SHE SAYS SHE LOVES THIS JOB SO MUCH, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE WORK. APART FROM HAVING A UNIQUE AND ENERGETIC PERSONALITY, SHE REALLY BRINGS HOPE TO OTHER PEOPLE. RACHAEL AITCHISON IS DIRECTOR OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AT THE WAIKATO DHB, AND SHE'S TRUDY'S BOSS. DESPITE AN ILLNESS, DESPITE AN EPISODE, THAT THOSE THINGS DON'T DEFINE YOU AS A PERSON. THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO YOU, AND THEY'RE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO TRUDY, AND SHE WILL LIVE WITH THAT FOREVER, BUT THEY DON'T DEFINE WHO SHE HAS BECOME. MOST OF THE GUYS IN HERE HAVE GOT SCHIZOPHRENIA OR... HER BROTHER, DR REES TAPSELL, WENT ON TO BECOME A FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST, SO HE GETS TRUDY'S CASE NOT JUST PERSONALLY BUT PROFESSIONALLY. AND HE'S AT EASE WITH HOW WELL SHE IS NOW. IS SHE AT RISK OF EVER DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT AGAIN? I THINK THAT IT'S HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT SHE WOULD EVEN BECOME UNWELL AGAIN, LET ALONE BECOME UNWELL AGAIN AND HURT EITHER HERSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE. YOU TRUST YOUR CHILDREN WITH HER? OH, I MEAN, I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. I TRUST MY CHILDREN WITH HER; ALL OF` WE SIBLINGS HAVE TRUSTED HER WITH OUR CHILDREN; HER FRIENDS HAVE TRUSTED HER WITH THEIR CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT KNOW HER STORY. THERE'S MY PARENTS ` THIS COUPLE HERE ` WHEN THEY WERE IN THEIR 20S. YOU GET A SENSE OF TRUDY'S FAMILY THROUGH HER HOME. IT'S FILLED WITH PHOTOS. HAVING PHOTOS OF THEM ON THE WALL MAKES ME THINK THAT THEY'RE HERE. I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE HERE. HAUNTING MUSIC WE ARE ALL PRODUCTS OF OUR PAST, SHAPED BY WHAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH. FOR TRUDY AND HER FAMILY, HISTORY HOLDS SOME TERRIBLE SCARS. THOUGH THEY'LL NEVER GO AWAY, THEY'RE A REMINDER THAT TIME CAN HEAL THE MOST HORRIBLE WOUNDS. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT DO YOU FORGIVE YOURSELF? UM, I'D HAVE TO SAY AT TIMES IT'S HARD TO THINK LIKE THAT, BUT IN ANOTHER SORT OF WAY, I DO, BECAUSE I NOW REALISE THAT IT WASN'T ME; IT WAS MY ILLNESS. IT WASN'T ME THAT PURPOSELY WENT OUT AND DID THAT TO HER. YOU HAVE TO SORT OF FORGIVE YOURSELF A LITTLE BIT, OTHERWISE YOU'D NEVER GO ON. TRUDY SAYS SHE'S FORGIVEN HERSELF FOR WHAT SHE DID. HAVE YOU FORGIVEN HER? OH, SURE. WE'VE ALL FORGIVEN HER. THE WHOLE FAMILY HAVE FORGIVEN HER. OF COURSE WE DID. WITH THE PASSING OF TIME AND SEEING THAT SHE'S SO WELL NOW AND HOW WELL SHE'S DONE WITH HER LIFE, OF COURSE PEOPLE FORGIVE HER. SO I'VE FORGIVEN HER; MY FAMILY HAVE FORGIVEN HER. EVERYBODY DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE. EVERYBODY. YEAH, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S TRUE. MAYBE EVERYBODY DOES DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE. OK, UP NEXT ` I'M WITH BLACK POWER TO OBSERVE, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT ` DRUG TESTING. THIS IS A FIRST. DOES IT FEEL LIKE A BIG MOMENT? IT'S A HUGE MOMENT. AS THEY SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO DRUG TESTING. WELL, THIS WAS AN UNUSUAL ASSIGNMENT IN ALL SORTS OF WAYS. NOT JUST MEETING BLACK POWER MEMBERS ON THEIR OWN TURF BUT TALKING TO THEM ABOUT A TABOO SUBJECT ` THEIR DRUG USE. AND EVEN MORE UNUSUAL WAS THESE HARDCORE GANGSTERS WERE TELLING ME THAT THEY WERE DETERMINED TO FREE THEMSELVES FROM DRUG DEPENDENCY FOREVER. WHAT WON'T SURPRISE YOU, THOUGH, IS THEIR USE OF THE OCCASIONAL SWEAR WORD. JUST THOUGHT I'D WARN YOU. MAN CACKLES NOT FAR FROM WELLINGTON'S AFFLUENT HARBOURSIDE SUBURBS AN UNLIKELY EXPERIMENT IS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE. A GROUP OF THE CAPITAL CITY'S BLACK POWER MEMBERS HAVE SIGNED UP TO A NEW POLICY, A KAUPAPA, THAT WILL DETERMINE THEIR FUTURE. IT'S A FUTURE IN COMPLETE OPPOSITION TO WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT FROM HARDENED GANG MEMBERS. THEY'RE AIMING TO BECOME METHAMPHETAMINE`FREE. TO GET THERE, THEY'RE PUTTING THEMSELVES THROUGH COMPULSORY DRUG TESTS ` THE SORT OF THING YOU'D EXPECT IN PRISON AND MANY WORKPLACES ` AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, THEY ARE MAKING THE RESULTS PUBLIC. IS THIS A VOLUNTARY DRUG TEST, OR IS IT COMPULSORY? WELL, IT'S VOLUNTARILY COMPULSORY. (LAUGHS) YOU'RE MAKING THEM DO IT. NO, NO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BUT THAT WOULD INDICATE TO US THAT THEY AREN'T PART OF THE KAUPAPA. WHAT'S THE MOOD LIKE IN THERE TONIGHT? ARE PEOPLE A BIT NERVOUS? WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY` EVERYONE IS QUITE CONFIDENT. WE'LL SEE THE RESULT AT THE END OF IT, BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT THE BOYS THAT HAVE SAID THAT THEY ARE CLEAN ARE CLEAN. DO YOU THINK MAYBE THERE'S A RISK THE MOOD MIGHT CHANGE IF THE RESULTS DON'T COME BACK AS POSITIVELY AS YOU MIGHT HOPE? BASICALLY, WE'VE SAID THAT IF ANY RESULTS COME BACK POSITIVE, THEN WE WILL SUPPORT THAT PERSON INTO REHAB. AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SUPPORTED INTO REHAB, THEN THEY ARE WELCOME TO JOIN ANY OTHER CLUB THEY MAY WANT TO. YOU'RE GOING TO KICK THEM OUT OF YOUR GROUP? NO, THEY WILL BE INVITED TO JOIN ANY OTHER CLUB THEY` THAT'S SEMANTICS, THOUGH, EUGENE. YOU'LL BOOT THEM. NO, WE WON'T BOOT THEM. GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHANCE AND SEE HOW THAT GOES? GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHANCE. OK, WELL, I'LL WALK YOU AS FAR AS I CAN, EH? AND WE'LL CATCH UP WITH YOU AFTERWARDS. HAS EVERYONE TURNED UP THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS GOING TO? UH, YES. EVERYONE... 'THESE BLACK POWER MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT HAVE SAID 'THEY'RE COMMITTED TO KICKING METHAMPHETAMINE ADDICTION. 'THEY SAY THE DRUG IS TOO DESTRUCTIVE TO THEIR FAMILIES. THEY BELIEVE THE TESTING IS A FIRST FOR GANGS, 'BUT THEY'RE UNDERSTANDABLY A BIT TOUCHY ABOUT IT.' SO, WE CAN'T GO INSIDE THE MEETING HERE TONIGHT. WE HAD ORGANISED ACCESS TO DO SO, BUT A FEW PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS, AND THEY'D RATHER TAKE THE SWAB TESTS AND URINE TESTS IN PRIVATE, SO WE'RE GOING TO WAIT OUTSIDE AND SEE HOW THAT ALL GOES DOWN AND HOPEFULLY CATCH UP WITH EUGENE AFTERWARDS. GIDDAY, PETE. HI. FEW PEOPLE KNOW A LIFE OF ADDICTION BETTER THAN PETE NUKU. ALL UP, HE'S SPENT 22 YEARS IN PRISON, BUT THAT DID NOTHING TO PREVENT A DECADE'S LONG RELATIONSHIP WITH METHAMPHETAMINE. OVER THE YEARS, I'VE NEVER LISTENED TO ANYONE. I JUST DID WHAT I WANTED TO DO. AND, UM... AND WHAT WAS THAT? SMOKING CRACK, SLAPPING PEOPLE UP, THAT SORT OF STUFF. HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU SMOKE CRACK? PROBABLY... FOUR TIMES A WEEK. FOUR TIMES A WEEK? YEAH. EVERY WEEK? EVERY DAY, POSSIBLY. SO YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY ADDICTED. I WAS REALLY ADDICTED. WHAT DID METHAMPHETAMINE DO TO YOU? I COULD BE ON IT FOR FOUR OR FIVE DAYS. WITHOUT SLEEPING FOR THAT LONG? WITHOUT SLEEPING, YEAH. WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOU MENTALLY? FUCKS YOU UP, EH. IT DOES, EH. PETE TRIED REHAB, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK, PARTLY BECAUSE, FOR HIM, IT WAS LIKE BEING INCARCERATED AGAIN. HIS PLAN THIS TIME AROUND IS TO GO COLD TURKEY, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS HISTORY, THE OTHERS AREN'T SURE HE CAN CHANGE HIS WAYS AND GIVE IT UP PERMANENTLY. WELL, INITIALLY I THOUGHT WE WERE MAKING A MISTAKE BY HAVING HIM INVOLVED IN IT. I WASN'T SURE HE ACTUALLY HEARD WHAT OUR KAUPAPA WAS. BUT THEN I THOUGHT` WELL, WE ALL THOUGHT IF PETE COULD GET THROUGH THIS, THAT'LL BE THE BEST EXAMPLE TO OTHERS THAT THIS ADDICTION CAN BE BEATEN. ALL PERFORM HAKA LONG-TIME BLACK POWER MEMBER EUGENE RYDER IS THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THIS TOUGH NEW STANCE ON METHAMPHETAMINE. SO, I INTRODUCED THE IDEA OF US TAKING A DRUG TEST, AND THERE WAS AN INTERESTING REACTION TO THAT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER NORMAL, EVERYDAY LIFE FOR US, SO IT WAS A CHALLENGE. HOW DID THE GROUP RESPOND? DRUG TESTING IS USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE POLICE OR PRISON SYSTEM, SO IT WAS A NOVELTY, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT NONE OF OUR MEMBERS HAD VOLUNTARILY DONE IN THEIR LIVES. SO, SIX MONTHS AGO THESE SAME GANG MEMBERS TESTED THEMSELVES, BUT THE RESULTS WERE KEPT PRIVATE. ANYONE WHO TESTED POSITIVE WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK HELP TO KICK THEIR ADDICTION. BUT NOW IT'S D-DAY, AND EVERYONE INSIDE HERE KNOWS ANY POSITIVE TEST WILL BE MADE PUBLIC. TENSE MUSIC AND THE RESULTS ARE IN. HOW'D IT GO? OH, IT WAS GREAT. IT WENT GREAT. THERE WERE NO POSITIVE TESTS. NO POSITIVE TESTS? NO, EVERYONE POSITIVE WAS NEGATIVE, SO WE'RE QUITE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. WOW. THAT'S A HUGE RESULT FOR YOU. IT IS. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? OH, WE FEEL GREAT. WE FEEL GREAT. WE'RE GOING TO CELEBRATE IT. THERE'S A COUPLE OF GUYS THAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE CHALLENGED WITH IT, BUT THEY PUT SOME EFFORT INTO ADDRESSING THEIR HABIT. SO, YEAH, IT'S GREAT NEWS. THE PUBLIC SITTING AT HOME MIGHT SAY THAT'S A REALLY GOOD PR STORY FOR BLACK POWER. HOW DO WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT PULLING THE WOOL OVER MY EYES? WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW, AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY CARE. WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT WE'VE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR HABIT, AND WE'VE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE'D LOVE TO COME AND MEET SOME OF THE GUYS. YEAH, YEAH. COME IN. CAN WE SAY HELLO AND MAYBE HAVE A CHAT TO THEM ABOUT THEIR JOURNEY? ...TUTURU WHAKAMAUA KIA TINA. TINA! HAUMI E, HUI E,... ...TAIKI E! INSIDE IS A WORLD USUALLY RESERVED FOR PATCHED MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES. IT'S A RARE INSIGHT INTO WHAT'S OFTEN CONSIDERED A GREATLY FEARED GANG OF THUGS. PETE, WHO OPENLY ADMITTED BEING A VIOLENT ADDICT, MIGHT LOOK STAUNCH, BUT HE'S PRETTY HAPPY WITH HIMSELF. GOING COLD TURKEY HAS WORKED. HE'S PASSED THIS TEST. GOOD TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BROTHERS' SYSTEMS ARE CLEARED, COS AT THE END OF THE DAY, BLACK'S THE BEST AND FUCK THE REST. FUCK THE REST. PETE'S BROTHER LOOPS HAS ALSO DRIVEN THIS KAUPAPA, AND HE'S PROUD OF THEM ALL. THAT GOES FOR EVERYBODY. MAKE A MAN PROUD. FOR TONIGHT, FOR THIS GROUP OF BLACK POWER, METHAMPHETAMINE HAS BEEN BEATEN, AND WE'RE INVITED TO SHARE A DRINK AND SOME FOOD TO CELEBRATE. MAYBE IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'D EXPECT GANG MEMBERS TO BE CELEBRATING, BUT EVERYONE SEEMS GENUINELY BUOYED BY THE RESULTS. BUT IS IT REAL? DOES IT STAND UP TO SCRUTINY? IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF YOUR GUYS AREN'T SMOKING IT BUT ARE SELLING IT? UH,... WHAT WE'VE ASKED OUR GUYS TO DO IS KEEP METHAMPHETAMINE OUT OF THEIR LIFESTYLE. AND THEY'VE AGREED TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE OUT THERE MAY THINK BLACK POWER MAKE A LOT OF MONEY SELLING METHAMPHETAMINE. YEAH, THEY MAY. (LAUGHS) UM... IS BLACK POWER SELLING METH? UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I KNOW THAT NONE OF OUR MEMBERS ARE SELLING METH, AND WE'VE DECIDED THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PART OF OUR LIFESTYLE. WERE THEY? OUR GUYS WERE DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO SURVIVE. MOST WERE ON THE BENEFIT MOST OF THEIR LIVES. SOME OF THEM ARE NOW WORKING FULL-TIME. SO I'VE YET TO SEE ANY OF OUR MEMBERS FINANCIALLY SECURE THROUGH SELLING ANY KIND OF DRUG. BUT IT'S THE DAMAGE THAT USING THE DRUG HAS INFLICTED ON THESE BLACK POWER FAMILIES THAT'S LED TO THIS INITIATIVE. THEIR STORY IS THEY WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THEM AS HUMAN, PEOPLE LIKE ANY OTHERS. AND THEY SAY THE UPSIDE OF BEING METHAMPHETAMINE-FREE IS ALREADY EVIDENT. NONE OF OUR GUYS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED SINCE WE STARTED THIS KAUPAPA, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT, BUT IT'S A FACT. IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. AND WHAT WOULD BE TYPICAL OF THEM USUALLY? FOR SOME MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, IT WAS A WEEKLY OCCURRENCE. DOES THIS FEEL LIKE A BIG MOMENT? IT'S A HUGE MOMENT. IT'S A HUGE ACHIEVEMENT. MY MIND'S AT EASE NOW. FOR US, IT AIN'T TOLERATED ANY MORE. WE WON'T ACCEPT IT, AND WE DON'T SMOKE IT OR SELL IT WHATSOEVER. NO P, NO SELLING IT. SIMPLE AS THAT. NOW, THIS GROUP DO WANT TO STRESS THEY'RE SPEAKING ONLY FOR THEMSELVES, NOT FOR THE WIDER BLACK POWER MEMBERSHIP.