KA KOEKOE TE TUI, KA KETEKETE TE KAKA, KA KUKU TE KERERU. E TE IWI E POWHIRITIA ANA KOUTOU KI TE HUI. KO MIHINGARANGI TENEI, E KARANGA ATU NEI. NAU MAI, TAHUTI MAI RA. WELCOME TO THE HUI, MAORI CURRENT AFFAIRS FOR ALL NZERS. ON TODAY'S AGENDA ` HE THOUGHT HE WAS RECONNECTING WITH HIS LONG-LOST DAUGHTERS ONLINE. IN REALITY, HE WAS BEING CONNED. HOW MANY PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO TRICK? ASTRONOMICAL NUMBERS. TODAY THE HUI EXPOSES THE FACEBOOK SCAM THAT BROKE WALLETS AND HEARTS. SOMETHING YOU WOULDN'T WISH ON ANYBODY ELSE, EH. A CAUTIONARY TALE FOR MAORI ONLINE. KARAHUIHUI MAI. ON THE PROGRAMME TODAY, EDUCATION MINISTER HEKIA PARATA JOINS ME TO DISCUSS WHETHER THE HISTORY OF COLONISATION SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS. BUT FIRST, IT'S THE FACEBOOK SCAM THAT'S STEALING MONEY, IDENTITIES AND, WORST OF ALL, HOPE. TODAY THE HUI REVEALS HOW A CONVICTED FRAUDSTER WAS ABLE TO CREATE COUNTLESS FAKE FACEBOOK PROFILES ALL TO CON VULNERABLE MEN INTO BELIEVING THEY'D FATHERED CHILDREN. ANNABELLE LEE MET SOME OF THE VICTIMS AND FINDS OUT HOW THEY UNRAVELLED THIS ELABORATE WEB OF LIES. DEBBIE HEMARA IS A HAIRDRESSER FROM WAINUIOMATA. AND LIKE 2.5 MILLION OTHER KIWIS, SHE'S ON FACEBOOK. IN FEBRUARY, A STRANGER WHO BELIEVED HE WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH DEBBIE CONTACTED HER. THAT'S WHEN SHE DISCOVERED SOMEONE HAD STOLEN HER WHANAU PHOTOS FROM HER FACEBOOK PAGE AND USED THEM TO CREATE FAKE PROFILES ` HINEMANUHIRI JUST ONE OF MANY. THIS PERSON HAS MADE UP STORIES ABOUT OUR BACKGROUND, FAMILY BACKGROUND, DEBBIE HAS TWO ADULT DAUGHTERS AND TWO GRANDDAUGHTERS. DEBBIE HAS TWO ADULT DAUGHTERS AND TWO GRANDDAUGHTERS. ALL OF THEM HAVE HAD THEIR IMAGES STOLEN. MY CONCERNS ARE FOR THEIR SAFETY ` FOR MY CHILDREN'S SAFETY AND MY MOKOPUNAS' SAFETY. IT's OPENED UP THEM UP TO CHILD PORNOGRAPHY OR TRAFFICKING, CHILD TRAFFICKING, SO I FEEL VERY UNSAFE AND WORRIED FOR MY CHILDREN. DEBBIE'S CONCERNS ARE REAL. AT LEAST ONE MAN HAS TRIED TO CONTACT ONE OF HER DAUGHTERS IN PERSON AFTER BEING DUPED INTO BELIEVING HER WAS HER FATHER. THE MAN WHO ALERTED DEBBIE TO THE SCAM HAD MET HER IMPOSTER THROUGH A FACEBOOK PAGE FOR SINGLES. WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME SUSPICIOUS THAT THINGS WEREN'T AS THEY SEEMED? ONE OF MY COUSIN'S PARTNERS RECOGNISED THE PHOTO THAT HINEMANUHIRI HAD BEEN USING, AND... UH, WHAT COUSINS DO, EH, GET A BIT OVER-PROTECTIVE AND START, UM, SEARCHING UP THE PAGE AND LOOKING INTO MORE THINGS. MM. TAZ CONTACTED DEBBIE TO ALERT HER, THEN POSTED ABOUT THE SCAM. BEFORE TOO LONG, PEOPLE BEGAN COMING FORWARD WITH THEIR OWN STORIES, INCLUDING PAT TAPARA. PAT TOO HAD BEEN SENT A FRIEND REQUEST FROM A FAKE ACCOUNT USING DEBBIE'S PHOTO. SHE SAYS TO ME, 'WELL, I REALLY JUST FRIENDED YOU ON FACEBOOK 'BECAUSE I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE A FATHER TO TWO GIRLS, TO TWINS.' ALL I COULD THINK WAS, 'HOLY SHIT! IM A FATHER!' SURPRISING BECAUSE PAT HAD BEEN TOLD THAT A CHILDHOOD ACCIDENT MEANT HE COULDN'T FATHER CHILDREN. AND HE HAD NO MEMORY OF MEETING THE WOMAN IN THE PHOTO 20 YEARS EARLIER. I WAS STILL MOURNING THE DEATH OF MY DAD. SO, AND I WAS BINGE-DRINKING DURING THAT TIME OF MY LIFE TO THE POINT` SOMETIMES TO THE POINT WHERE I COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER MY OWN NAME. SO I HAD TO GIVE HER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. DO YOU THINK PART OF YOU WANTED IT TO BE TRUE AS WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS WERE YOUR DAUGHTERS? OH, DEFINITELY, EH, YOU KNOW? THE DOCTOR TOLD ME IT WOULD BE A GODDAMN MIRACLE. AND TO` TO HAVE THAT THROWN UPON YOU, EH, TO KNOW THAT THESE CHILDREN WERE YOUR MIRACLE. YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA BELIEVE IT. PAT SAYS DURING THE COURSE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP HE TRIED TO MEET HIS DAUGHTERS AND WOULD SPEND HOURS ON THE PHONE SPEAKING WITH THEM AND THEIR MOTHER. BUT IN REALITY, HE WAS ONLY EVER COMMUNICATING WITH ONE PERSON, WHO HAD ANOTHER LIE TO TELL ` PAT WAS GOING TO BECOME A GRANDFATHER TO TWIN GIRLS. SHE GAVE BIRTH TO THEM NOVEMBER THE 4TH AT 10.45` QUARTER TO 11, 2015. MY MUM, BEING THE PROUD GREAT-GRANDMOTHER, WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO NAME THEM. PAT SAYS HE'S WATCHED HIS MOKOS GROW UP ON FACEBOOK. THEY'D SEND PHOTOS; HE'D SEND MONEY ` LOTS OF IT. BUT IT WOULD ALL COME TO AN AWFUL END. IN JANUARY THIS YEAR PAT WAS TOLD ONE MORE LIE ` THAT ONE HIS MOKOS WAS DEAD, THE SERVICE TO BE HELD AT A CREMATORIUM IN HAMILTON. HE AND HIS DEVASTATED WHANAU HEADED TO THE TANGI. THE CREMATORIUM DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, LOOKING AT US LIKE WE WERE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS. LIKE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE UP TO. PAT TRIED TO CONTACT HIS SO-CALLED DAUGHTERS AND THEIR MOTHER FOR AN EXPLANATION. HE NEVER HEARD FROM ANY OF THEM AGAIN. IT BROKE MY MUM, IT BROKE MY SIBLINGS. DID IT BREAK YOU TOO? YEAH, YOU KNOW. IT WOULD... IT WOULD BREAK ANYBODY THAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. NO DOUBT. TO HEAR THAT SOMEONE IS TELLING PEOPLE THAT ONE OF YOUR MOKOPUNA IS SICK OR HAS PASSED AWAY, HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL? ANGRY. VERY VERY ANGRY. VERY UPSET. AND USING MY MOKOPUNA'S FACE TO LURE MEN INTO BELIEVING (COUGHS) THAT THEY HAVE A WHANAU CONNECTION TO A LITTLE CHILD. BUT EVEN MORE OF DEBBIE'S WHANAU ARE INVOLVED. HER IN-LAW LATISHA WAIKARI HAS HAD HER IMAGES STOLEN TOO. IT'S PRETTY FRUSTRATING TO HAVE RANDOM PEOPLE TURN UP AT MY DOORSTEP; UM, RING ME, CALL ME, ABUSE ME FOR THINGS THAT I HAVEN'T DONE. FRUSTRATING BECAUSE THE PERSON BEHIND ALL OF THE FAKE PROFILES, BEHIND ALL OF THE HURT IS HER OWN COUSIN, HINA WAITERE TUTAKI, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS HENDRIX TANE WAITERE, A.K.A. HINEMANUHIRI, LALENA AND COUNTLESS OTHER ALIASES, A CONVICTED FRAUDSTER WHO GREW UP WITH LATISHA. I KNOW HENDRIX AS HENDRIX BEING THIS HAPPY-GO-LUCKY, HAPPY, GOOD, BIG-HEARTED PERSON. BUT HIS DOWNSIDE IS HIS IDENTITY CRISIS, WITH PAGES THAT HE MAKES UP. LATISHA SHE SAYS HINA HAS BEEN DOING THIS TO HER FOR YEARS, CONVINCING SCORES OF MEN THAT THEY'VE FATHERED HER CHILDREN; EVEN CREATING FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES NAMING THESE STRANGERS AS THE FATHER. OVER THE YEARS, MEN HAVE CONTACTED LATISHA, SOME EVEN TURNING UP ON HER DOORSTEP. ONE OF THE MEN THAT WAS SENT AROUND, THEY TURNED UP FOR ONE OF MY DAUGHTER'S FUNERALS. YEAH. SO THEY WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR A TANGI. HE GAVE THEM MY MUM'S ADDRESS, AND HIM AND HIS WHOLE WHANAU, THEY CAME DOWN. WERE YOU SHOCKED WHEN THAT HAPPENED? I WAS ANGRY. NOT ONLY AT HIM BUT AT THE DUDE THAT TURNED UP ON MY DOORSTEP AS WELL. (CHUCKLES) BUT IT WASN'T HIS FAULT. HE JUST GOT PULLED INTO A BIG LIE. HOW DO YOU FEEL TOWARDS THE PERSON WHO DID THIS TO YOU, WHO DID THIS TO YOUR MUM? (SIGHS) HURT, ANGRY, YOU KNOW? JUST... ANGRY. AND JUST REALLY WANNA KNOW WHY. WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT TO ANYBODY? NEXT ` WE COME FACE TO FACE WITH THE MASTERMIND BEHIND THE FAKE PROFILES. HOW MANY PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO TRICK? ASTRONOMICAL NUMBERS. KIA MAU TONU MAI RA E TE IWI, AFTER THE BREAK, WE MEET THE PERSON BEHIND THE FAKE PROFILES AND ASK WHAT MOTIVATED HER TO CON HER VICTIMS. THEME MUSIC KIA ORA MAI ANO, YOU'RE WATCHING THE HUI. BEFORE THE BREAK, WE MET A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO'D FALLEN PREY TO A FACEBOOK FRAUDSTER WHO USED REAL PHOTOS STOLEN FROM REAL PEOPLE TO CREATE FAKE STORIES ON FAKE FACEBOOK PAGES. NOW WE MEET THE PERSON BEHIND THE SCAM. DRAMATIC MUSIC JUST COME THROUGH HERE. THIS IS HINA WAITERE TUTAKI, A TRANSGENDER CONVICTED FRAUDSTER, FORMER PROSTITUTE AND MASTERMIND BEHIND THIS ELABORATE ONLINE SCAM, FRONTING UP IN AN ON-CAMERA INTERVIEW WITH 'THE HUI'. THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO, WHAT THEY MOST WANT TO KNOW IS WHY? WHY DO YOU DO THIS? IT DIDN'T START OUT THE WAY THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO END UP. IT WAS BASICALLY FINANCIAL GAIN, AS DISGUSTING AS IT SOUNDS. SO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO TRICK, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THEM? DESPERATE, UM, NAIVE. I SUPPOSE, HURT, IN A WAY. HOW MUCH MONEY ALL UP DO YOU THINK YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO NET? ABOUT 84 GRAND. ALL FROM DIFFERENT VICTIMS? SOURCES, YEAH. ARE THERE EASIER WAYS TO MAKE MONEY? WELL, BEING A TRANSGENDER WAHINE,... NO. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT... LOOK AT YOU DIFFERENTLY WITHIN A COMMUNITY. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE MAORI, YOUR OWN WHANAU, THAT LOOK AT YOU AS IF... YOU AIN'T AMOUNT TO NOTHING. THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT WATCH THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER WAYS TO SURVIVE OTHER THAN RIPPING PEOPLE OFF. WELL, COME ON, HALF OF NZ IS RIPPING THE SYSTEM OR DOING STUFF LIKE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IN A WHITE MAN'S WAY, YOU'RE MOST` YOU'RE SEEN AS DIRT WHEN YOU DO IT. YOU KNOW, I'M KNOW ANGEL. I'VE BEEN DONE FOR FRAUD. IN 2009 HINA WAS SENTENCED FOR A RAFT OF FRAUD-RELATED CRIMES. SHE WAS RELEASED FROM PRISON, BUT HER OFFENDING CONTINUED. HOW MANY PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO... TO TRICK? ASTRONOMICAL NUMBERS. CAN YOU GIVE ME A NUMBER? KAO. CAN YOU GUESS? TENS, HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS? KAO. MORE? KAO. NO COMMENT. TENSE MUSIC AMONG HER MANY VICTIMS, PAT TAPARA, WHO BELIEVED HE'D FATHERED TWIN DAUGHTERS WITH ONE OF HINA'S ALIASES AND HAD BECOME A GRANDFATHER TO TWIN GIRLS. HE WAS TOLD ONE OF THE BABIES HAD DIED, BUT IT WAS ALL A LIE, ALL FOR MONEY. DO YOU FEEL BAD FOR PAT? I FEEL... AROHA FOR HIM THE MOST. YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I CAN BASICALLY SAY OR DO, IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE THEIR MAMAE AWAY. BUT I'M HERE TO FRONT AND... BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY AM SORRY. IN THE CASE OF PAT, HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK HE'S GIVEN YOU? HE'S GIVEN ME $18,000. IT WAS BETTER THAN LAYING ON MY BACK. I WAS SICK OF THAT LIFE, AND I LEARNT HOW TO DO IT IN A WAY WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT ANY MORE. FINANCIAL. HOW? FINANCIAL. HOW? TENSE MUSIC YOU KNOW, WHEN A TANGI COMES ALONG, YOU KNOW, MONEY, AS DISGUSTING AS IT SOUNDS. ANOTHER MAN WHO CONTACTED US SAID HINA DOCTORED THIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO TRICK HIM INTO BELIEVING HE'D FATHERED A CHILD WHO WAS SUFFERING FROM CANCER, WHICH IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE. HAVE YOU FORGED BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO TRICK SOMEONE... YEAH. ...INTO THINKING THEY HAVE FATHERED A CHILD WITH YOU? DO YOU FEEL REMORSEFUL FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO PAT AND OTHERS? YEAH, FOR ALL OF THEM. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT... I'M NO SAINT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DO HAVE A CONSCIENCE. I JUST GOT LOST, I SUPPOSE. POIGNANT MUSIC ANOTHER OF HINA'S VICTIMS, HER COUSIN LATISHA. WHEN WE SPOKE TO HER, SHE SAID DESPITE BEING RIPPED OFF BY HER COUSIN, SHE WOULD STILL TAUTOKO HER. IF YOU COULD GIVE A MESSAGE TO HENDRIX, WHAT WOULD IT BE? (CRIES) THAT... (SIGHS) THAT I LOVE HIM, BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE THE THINGS THAT HE DOES. THAT'S... THAT'S PROBABLY IT. THAT IT'S HURTFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE, TO US. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME TO... DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT... WHAT HE'S DONE, AND WE'LL BE THERE FOR HIM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, YOU KNOW. LATISHA SAYS THAT YOU'RE A GOOD PERSON AND THAT YOU'VE GOT A GOOD HEART. (SIGHS) SHE SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. (SNIFFS) SHE SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. WHY? COS I'M NOT. POIGNANT MUSIC (SNIFFS) MUSIC CONTINUES SO... ALSO A VICTIM, HAIRDRESSER DEBBIE HEMARA, HER TWO DAUGHTERS AND TWO GRANDDAUGHTERS, ALL OF WHOM HAVE HAD THEIR IMAGES STOLEN, USED BY HINA TO LURE VICTIMS. HINA, DID PART OF YOU WANT TO BE DEB? NO. NO. OR HER GIRLS? NO. I REMEMBER THE VERY FIRST JOB I EVER GOT THROUGH ESCORTING, AND ONE OF MY SISTERS GOES, 'YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES AND FORGET,' AND THIS IS WHAT EXACTLY I'VE DONE, BUT I'VE DONE IT... TO THE WRONG PEOPLE AND HURT THEM IN THE PROCESS. MM. HI. KIA ORA. HOW ARE YOU? IT'S GOOD TO FINALLY MEET YOU. HI. HI. HAVING UNTANGLED THEMSELVES FROM HER ONLINE WEB OF LIES, THIS GROUP OF HINA'S VICTIMS ARE NOW PUTTING THEIR LIVES BACK TOGETHER. THEY RECENTLY MET FACE-TO-FACE FOR THE FIRST TIME TO SHARE THEIR STORIES. FEEL LIKE I KNOW YOUSE ALREADY. WE'RE ALL VICTIMS, AND WE'VE MET QUITE A FEW OF THE VICTIMS, AND IT'S NICE TO BE FACE-TO-FACE WITH EVERYBODY AND SHARING OUR STORIES. UM, IT'S A GOOD HEALING PROCESS FOR US ALL. IT'S, UM` IT'S BEEN PRETTY CRAZY, AND IT'S QUITE OVERWHELMING TRYING TO WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND IT, YOU KNOW. YEAH, I BET IT DID. FOR PAT, IT WAS A CHANCE TO MEET THE YOUNG WOMEN HE BELIEVED WERE HIS DAUGHTERS, A BITTERSWEET REUNION WITH THE GIRLS WHO'D BECOME HIS PRIDE AND JOY. IT'S THE HEALING PROCESS THAT'S GONNA TAKE THE LONGEST, BUT MEETING THE GIRLS REALLY DID HELP. OK. OUR BOND WAS MADE STRONGER TODAY WITH ME AND THE GIRLS. AND, UM, YEAH, I CAN FINALLY LET THE FACT THAT I'M NOT A DAD GO. YEAH. POIGNANT MUSIC NA ANNABELLE LEE TERA PURONGO. PAT REFUTES THAT HE GAVE HINA $18,000 DOLLARS AND SAYS IT WAS CLOSER TO 3000. HINA SAYS SHE'S WILLING TO MEET FACE-TO-FACE WITH HER VICTIMS. IF YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE A VICTIM OF ONLINE IDENTITY FRAUD OR A SCAM, YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE POLICE OR NETSAFE. INANGETO NEI KA KORERO AHAU KI TE MINITA TAKE MATAURANGA HEKIA PARATA. HEKIA PARATA JOINS ME NEXT. WELCOME TO THE HUI, MAORI CURRENT AFFAIRS FOR ALL NZERS. HOKI MAI ANO. IT'S A QUESTION THAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR YEARS ` WHY ISN'T THE HISTORY OF NZ BEING TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS? SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION PETER HUGHES SAYS THAT REQUIRING SCHOOLS TO TEACH A SPECIFIC SUBJECT, SUCH AS THE HISTORY OF COLONISATION, WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT AND UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES OF THE CURRICULUM. HE SAYS ANY MOVES TO MAKE IT COMPULSORY IS 'UNNECESSARY' AND, QUOTE, 'LIKELY TO RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE SYSTEMIC CONSEQUENCES' FOR THE SCHOOLING SECTOR. BUT WHAT ARE THE SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF TEACHING OUR CHILDREN THE HISTORY OF OUR NATION? SHOULD IT BE MADE COMPULSORY OR NOT? TO DISCUSS THIS, I'M JOINED BY THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION, HEKIA PARATA. TENA KOE. KIA ORA. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE SECRETARY FOR EDUCATION, PETER HUGHES, MEANT WHEN HE SAID, YOU KNOW, MAKING NZ HISTORY COMPULSORY WOULD 'LIKELY RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE SYSTEMIC CONSEQUENCES'? I THINK HE'S TALKING MORE ABOUT THE COMPULSION, UM, RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF NZ HISTORY, BECAUSE NZ HAS A WORLD-CLASS CURRICULUM IN THAT IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT A SCHOOL MUST ACTUALLY TEACH; IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE` THE, UM` THE OVERALL PROGRAMME. SO THERE IS THE VISION ALREADY` < SO NO SUBJECTS AT ALL ARE COMPULSORY? OH, NO, NO, THERE ARE, BUT THEN WHAT THEY CHOOSE` SO FOR INSTANCE, HISTORY IS PART OF THE CURRICULUM, AND WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO TEACH WITHIN THAT WILL BECOME THE ISSUE. SO WHEN WE HAVE 5-YEAR-OLDS STARTING AT SCHOOL, THEY HAVE COMPULSORY MATHS, ENGLISH. YES, BUT THEN TEACHERS CHOOSE WHAT THEY TEACH WITHIN THE MATHS AND THE ENGLISH SYLLABUS. < BUT THEY'RE STILL LEARNING MATHS OF SOME KIND. YEAH, AND SO THEY'RE STILL LEARNING HISTORY OF SOME KIND, BUT THE ISSUE WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE IS HOW MUCH` BUT WHO'S HISTORY? THAT'S THE POINT. AND HOW CAN WE TRUST SCHOOLS AND TEACHERS TO TEACH BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY ` THE COLONIAL ONE AND THE MAORI HISTORY? BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY HIGH TRUST EDUCATION SYSTEM, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE SCHOOLS TO DO IS TO TEACH LOCAL, UM, STORIES. SO WHETHER IT'S IN HISTORY OR IN SCIENCE OR IN MATHS, CHOOSE EXAMPLES THAT ARE RELEVANT AND MEANINGFUL FOR KIDS THAT THEY CAN SEE IN THEIR LOCAL ENVIRONMENT. AND SPEAKING TO MANA WHENUA, I GUESS, AND SO IF YOU'RE FROM TE AWAMUTU, YOU MIGHT GO TO THE LOCAL IWI AND TALK ABOUT ORAKAU. AND THAT IS HAPPENING. IT IS HAPPENING AROUND THE COUNTRY, BUT WHAT` AND HOW WELL IS THAT HAPPENING, THOUGH? WELL, IT ISN'T AS WIDESPREAD YET AS I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE, AND CLEARLY YOU AND OTHER PARTS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT WE HAVE THE SAME KINDS OF CALLS, FOR INSTANCE, FOR FINANCIAL LITERACY, FOR CODING, AND WE HAVE THE SAME RESPONSE` BUT THIS IS THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, THESE TWO PEOPLE THAT SIGNED THE TREATY, AND IT WOULD ONLY BE FAIR FOR US TO HAVE BOTH SIDES OF` YOU KNOW, A BALANCED LOOK` I THINK A RICH PROGRAMME OF WHO WE ARE, WHERE WE CAME FROM, WHO SETTLED OTOROHANGA OR RUATORIA OR WHEREVER, IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF EDUCATION. BUT HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT IN SCHOOLS WHEN YOU DON'T`? SO WE DON'T ENFORCE IT. BUT WHY DON'T YOU ENFORCE IT WHEN YOU DON'T`? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE COMPULSION. HOW DO YOU MEASURE IT? WE ENCOURAGE OUR SCHOOLS TO MAKE CHOICES, BUT IN OUR SELF-MANAGING SYSTEM, IT'S THE BOARD AND THE PRINCIPAL WHO MAKE THOSE CHOICES. SO HERE'S THE THING ` WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN MAY THIS YEAR, BECAUSE WE HAVE BOARD ELECTIONS FOR EVERY SCHOOL ` I ENCOURAGE ALL PARENTS WHO ARE INTERESTING IN SEEING THE RICHNESS OF WHAT COULD BE TAUGHT IN THEIR CHILDREN'S SCHOOL TO RUN FOR THE BOARD, BE ON THERE, HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN TE AWAMUTU OR IN KAIKOHE OR IN GORE. THOSE ARE ALL LEGITIMATE DISCUSSIONS THAT DO TAKE PLACE NOW, AND MORE OF THEM NEED TO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A RICH HIS-AND-HER STORY OF AOTEAROA, NZ. AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR PEOPLE TO` YOU KNOW, FOR MAORI TO GO ALONG AND, UH, RUN FOR THE BOARDS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE AGAINST THEM IN` IN MANY OF THE TOWNS` NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL. I MEAN, WE, EVERY BOARD-ELECTION TIME, ENCOURAGE PARENTS TO RUN FOR THEIR BOARD, BECAUSE IN OUR SYSTEM, THE BOARDS ABSOLUTELY CAN BE VERY CLEAR WITH THEIR PRINCIPAL ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE BEING TAUGHT IN THEIR LOCAL SCHOOL. SO, UM, WE` THE NZ STANDARDS LOOKS AT, UH, HOW WE MEASURE MATHS AND ENGLISH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HOW DO WE ACTUALLY MEASURE THIS COMPONENT OF THE CURRICULUM? ACTUALLY, WHAT NATIONAL STANDARDS DOES IS LOOK AT LITERACY AND NUMERACY, AND YOU CAN BE LITERATE AND NUMERATE IN MAORI HISTORY. YOU CAN BE LITERATE AND NUMERATE` < HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SCHOOLS AND TEACHERS ARE ACTUALLY TEACHING SOME COMPONENT OF THE CURRICULUM? WE DON'T SURVEY THAT, BECAUSE THE FUNDA` < BUT SHOULDN'T WE? NO, BECAUSE THE FUNDAMENTAL APPROACH TO NZ'S EDUCATION SYSTEM IS THAT LOCAL BOARDS MADE UP OF PARENTS, FAMILY AND WHANAU DISCUSS` AND IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY? WELL, IT'S BEEN OUR WAY FOR 28 YEARS. AND SO THIS WEEK IN PARLIAMENT, THE CROWN APOLOGISED FOR ITS PART IN THE DECLINE OF TE REO MAORI AND THE EDUCATION` THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION PLAYED A BIG PART IN THAT. YOU KNOW, THEY` THEY, UH, THE REO OUT OF SOME OF OUR, UM, PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS AND UNCLES AND AUNTIES. AREN'T WE JUST SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR THE SAME THING? AND THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IS PLAYING A BIG PART IN RESTORING THAT AS WELL. UM, WE SUPPORT THE PROVISION OF TE REO MAORI ME ONA TIKANGA THROUGHOUT THE CURRICULUM. UH, ANY SCHOOL WHO, UM` PARENT WHO WANTS FOR THAT TO BE AVAILABLE, SCHOOLS NEED TO MEET THAT DEMAND. THAT'S FANTASTIC, BUT WHAT ABOUT PART OF THE NATIONAL STORY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR HISTORIES, ABOUT THE WARS, IN SCHOOLS. I'M AGREEING WITH YOU. I THINK` SO ARE WE GOING TO SEE SOMETHING` NO, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE IT COMPULSORY. WHAT I'M SAYING IS I AGREE THAT WE DO HAVE` WHY NOT? BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE NZ WAY. WE DO NOT COMPEL SPECIFIC THINGS. I'M NOT REQUIRING EVERY SCHOOL TO TEACH CODING, EVEN THOUGHT THERE IS A GROUP, A COMMUNITY, WHO WANT THAT DONE. WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THE SCHOOLS, WITH THEIR PARENTS, MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT OUR HIS-AND-HER STORY WOULD MAKE AN IMPORTANT AND RICH PART, AND MANY SCHOOLS ARE DELIVERING THAT ` MANY ARE ` AND WE WANT TO SEE THAT GROW. ARE THERE LOTS OF SCHOOLS THAT AREN'T? WELL, WE DON'T SURVEY, SPECIFICALLY, THE TOPICS THAT ARE TAUGHT WITHIN EACH, UH, SUBJECT AREA, BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION HAS BUILT A WEBSITE FOR MAORI HISTORY, HAS ISSUED GUIDELINES FOR YEARS ONE TO FOUR AND IS PROVIDING RESOURCES TO SUPPORT. < TENA KOE MO TO HARAMAI KI TE HUI. KIA ORA. KIA ORA. NO REIRA KUA HIKINA TE HUI MO TENEI RA. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY, HUI HOPPERS. UH, YOU CAN WATCH OUR STORIES ON THE 3` UH, 3 DEMAND WEBSITE, CHECK OUT THE LINKS ON TWITTER @THEHUITV3 OR ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE. AND MAKE SURE YOU TELL ALL YOUR AUNTIES AND UNCLES TO CHECK US OUT. AND YOUR AUNTIES AND UNCLES UP THE COAST. AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK AT THE HUI. UNTIL THEN, HEI KONEI RA. WWW.ABLE.CO.NZ CAPTIONS WERE MADE POSSIBLE WITH FUNDING FROM NZ ON AIR. 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