KOTAHI ANO TE KOHAO O TE NGIRA E KUHUNA AI TE MIRO MA, TE MIRO WHERO ME TE MIRO PANGO. A MURI I A AU KIA MAU KI TE TURE, KI TE WHAKAPONO, KI TE AROHA. HEI AHA TE AHA! HEI AHA TE AHA! E TE IWI, E POWHIRITIA ANA KOUTOU KI TE HUI. KO MIHINGARANGI TENEI E KARANGA ATU NEI. NAU MAI, TAHUTI MAI. WELCOME TO THE HUI, MAORI CURRENT AFFAIRS FOR ALL NEW ZEALANDERS. ON THE PROGRAMME TODAY ` SHE'S BEEN A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT FOR 20 YEARS. NOW HAURAKI-WAIKATO MP NANAIA MAHUTA BECOMES OUR FIRST PARLIAMENTARIAN TO WEAR A KAUAE TEHE. I WEAR MY MOKO PROUDLY, MY KAUAE TEHE PROUDLY, UM, AND I WANT TO BE A PART OF A GENERATION WHO SEEK TO NORMALISE. ALAN DUFF CALLED HER AN EXCUSE-MONGERING MAORI ACADEMIC FOR ATTRIBUTING MAORI CHILD ABUSE RATES TO CULTURAL DEVASTATION. DR LEONIE PIHAMA RESPONDS. KARAHUIHUI MAI. WELL, THIS OCTOBER IS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY SINCE NANAIA MAHUTA WAS ELECTED TO PARLIAMENT. AT JUST 26 YEARS OF AGE, NANAIA BECOME THE SECOND-YOUNGEST WAHINE MAORI TO BE ELECTED, AFTER SOUTHERN MAORI MP WHETU TIRIKATENE-SULLIVAN, WHO WAS JUST 24. THIS MONTH THE HAURAKI-WAIKATO MP, SET AN IMPORTANT MILESTONE IN THE HISTORY OF OUR PARLIAMENT. NANAIA HAS BECOME THE FIRST MP TO WEAR A KAUAE TEHE, A TRADITIONAL CHIN TATTOO. IT'S BELIEVED THIS ISN'T JUST A FIRST FOR AOTEAROA, BUT A WORLD-FIRST FOR AN INDIGENOUS WOMEN PARLIAMENTARIAN. NANAIA JOINS ME NOW. TENA KOE E TE TUAKANA. TENA KOE MIHINGARANGI. SO, WELL, IT'S BEEN A WEEK. WHAT'S THE REACTION BEEN, UM, FROM YOUR COLLEAGUES AT PARLIAMENT? HAS ANYONE WALKED INTO THE WALL? (LAUGHS) NO. ALTOGETHER, IT'S BEEN QUITE POSITIVE, AND THAT'S GOOD TO SEE. UH, PARLIAMENT HAS ACCEPTED AND EMBRACED THAT THE WORLD IS CHANGING AND, YOU KNOW, MAORI, UH, WEARING, UH, TRADITIONAL, UH, KAUAE` UH, MOKO KAUAE IS A NORM, UH, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH. WE HAD AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION JUST BEFORE ABOUT MOKO KAUAE, KAUAE TEHE, AND THEN YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY A NAME FROM NGATI MANIAPOTO, WHICH WE'RE BOTH FROM, WHICH IS... UH, WHAKATEHE. UH, SO IT'S INTERESTING. AS WE HAD A WANANGA AROUND HOSTING A MOKOPAPA HUI ON OUR MARAE AT WAHI, A LOT OF KORERO CAME UP, AND A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ITS PURPOSE, UH, WHETHER IT'S MOKO KAUAE, KAUAE TEHE, WHAKATEHE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THING TO RECOGNISE IS THAT, UH, IT CELEBRATES OUR CULTURE, WHO WE ARE, OUR CONNECTION TO THE LAND. WE'VE GOT NO OTHER PLACE TO BE MAORI BUT HERE IN AOTEAROA. THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN, EVERY MAORI WOMAN'S ENTITLED TO WEAR ONE, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO EARN THE RIGHT, BUT DID YOU HAVE A PERSONAL CRITERIA FOR YOU? UH, WELL, YOU GET TO POINTS IN YOUR LIFE WHERE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, A NUMBER OF THINGS FOR MYSELF, INCLUDING THE TUANGAHURU FOR KINGI TUHEITIA, RECOGNISING AND COMMEMORATING TE ARIKINUI,... MM. ...WHO I WAS VERY CLOSE TO, 15 YEARS SINCE THE PASSING OF MY DAD, 20 YEARS SINCE THE RAUPATU SETTLEMENT, 20 YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN IN PARLIAMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED THE RIGHT THING FOR ME TO DO AT THIS TIME, UH, AND IT WAS PURPOSEFUL. UH, THERE WERE 13 OTHER WOMEN WHO PARTICIPATED IN OUR, UH, HUI, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM TE TAI RAWHITI CAME TO, UH, HELP US THROUGH THIS JOURNEY. HE TOHU TENA? DOES IT SIGNIFY A CHANGE FOR YOU IN YOUR FUTURE? LOOK, I'M IN A POINT IN MY LIFE WHERE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG CHANGE, UH, THAT'S HAPPENING, THAT'S HAPPENED, UH, AND THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT MILESTONE IN MY LIFE THAT I WANTED TO CELEBRATE AND RECOGNISE. WHAT IS THE FUTURE FOR YOU? IS IT MORE WORK WITH THE IWI? YEAH, LOOK, I THINK THAT I'LL ALWAYS BE COMMITTED TO WORKING FOR THE IWI IN WHATEVER CAPACITY. UH, I'VE HAD THE HONOUR OF SERVING, UH, THE HAURAKI-WAIKATO ELECTORATE FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, UH, 17 OF WHICH HAS BEEN AS AN ELECTORATE MP, AND I'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, BEEN HUMBLED BY THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT OVER SOME REALLY CHALLENGING TIMES, SO RIGHT NOW, IT CONTINUES TO BE THE PATH THAT I'M ON, UM, AND I'LL ALWAYS CONTRIBUTE BACK TO MY IWI, TO MY WAKA AS WELL. UH, THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE A WAY OF MY LIFE, GOING FORWARD. SO` SO AT THIS STAGE, YOU'RE STILL` ARE YOU STILL, UM, PREPARING YOURSELF TO STAND NEXT YEAR? YES, UNLESS OTHER THINGS HAPPEN ` AND WHO KNOWS THAT THAT WILL BE ` BUT RIGHT NOW, YES. ARE THERE WHISPERS ABOUT OTHER THINGS? THERE ARE WHISPERS. THERE'S LOTS OF WHISPERS. I THINK THE BIGGEST WHISPER` ARE THEY TRUE? (LAUGHS) ...GIVEN THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN THE TRIBE IS THAT NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO` TO GO BACK AND WORK FOR THE IWI. WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALWAYS OPPORTUNITIES IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. FOR ME, I GUESS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE COMING TO THE FORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN SERVING THE ELECTORATE FOR A LONG TIME NOW. I WANT TO SEE A CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT. I WANT TO SEE THE POLICIES THAT WILL LIFT PEOPLE'S OPPORTUNITIES. AND YOU'VE BEEN SERVING YOUR PEOPLE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AS HAS ALL OF YOUR FAMILY. IS THERE A POSITION` A SIGNIFICANT POSITION FOR YOU WITHIN THE KINGITANGA? UH, LOOK, I'LL PLAY MY PART, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT, IN WHATEVER CAPACITY, AND I INTEND TO DO SO WHETHER I'M IN PARLIAMENT OR NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND WILL JUST TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME. IT'S A BIG, UM, KORONEIHANA, UH, BEGINNING` UH, KICKING OFF TOMORROW, MONDAY. UM, 10 YEARS SINCE THE PASSING OF TE ARIKINUI TE ATAIRANGIKAAHU AND 10 YEARS, UH, ACKNOWLEDGING KINGI TUHEITIA. YOU WERE VERY CLOSE TO TE ARIKINUI TE ATAIRANGIKAAHU. TELL US SOME OF YOUR FAVOURITE MOMENTS. YOUR BEST MOMENTS. UH, LOOK, SHE WAS A WOMAN WHO HELD HER POSITION AND OFFICE, UH, QUITE SERIOUSLY, AND SHE DID IT WITH STYLE, WITH VERVE AND IN A WAY THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY HER OWN, BUT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A PERSONAL SIDE TO HER. MY FAVOURITE MEMORIES WAS GROWING UP AND GOING OUT TO PORT CHARLES OR OUT TO KAWHIA FOR HOLIDAYS, AND, UH, SHE ENJOYED KAPA HAKA, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE KAPA HAKA NOHO, UH, WITH TANIWHANAU, UH, WHERE THEY WERE WRITING SONGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ALWAYS VERY HAPPY MEMORIES. UM, HAVE YOU GOT A MESSAGE FOR MAORI WAHINE WHO MIGHT BE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, GETTING A KAUAE TEHE? ANY ADVICE? ANY THOUGHTS? YOU KNOW, IT'S A` I GUESS IT TAKES A LOT OF, UM` YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH YOURSELF ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT. IT IS ALL ABOUT YOURSELF, YOU KNOW? MM. UM, AND I THINK WITHIN EACH MAORI WOMAN, YOUR CONNECTION TO THE LAND, UH, YOUR ROLE AS A MOTHER, UH, A GRANDMOTHER, AN AUNTIE AND THE NURTURE OF THE NEXT GENERATION, RIGHT THERE IS YOUR BIRTHRIGHT. UM, I'M NEW IN THIS, YOU KNOW? THERE ARE MORE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE I HOLD IN HIGH REGARD, LIKE LEONIE PIHAMA,... MM. ...LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WOMEN THAT WE SEE IN OUR IWI, BUT RIGHT THERE IS YOUR BIRTHRIGHT. UM, AND ONLY YOU KNOW THE RIGHT TIME, AND ONLY YOU WILL KNOW, UH, I GUESS, WHAT IT WILL MEAN TO WALK FORWARD INTO YOUR, UH, KAUAE TEHE IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVES YOU SIGNIFICANCE AND CONTINUED PURPOSE. UH, YEAH, BUT IT'S AN ABSOLUTE HONOUR, I HAVE TO SAY. ABSOLUTELY HONOUR. THANK YOU. IT'S AN HONOUR HAVING YOU ON THE SHOW, UH, THIS MORNING. KIA ORA MO TENA. KIA ORA. UH, NOHO TONU MAI. WHEN WE COME BACK AFTER THE BREAK, UH, SHE'S BEEN DESCRIBED AS AN EXCUSE-MONGERING MAORI ACADEMIC. DR LEONIE PIHAMA RESPONDS TO ALAN DUFF'S HERALD COLUMN. SHE'S BEEN A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT FOR 20 YEARS. NOW HAURAKI-WAIKATO MP NANAIA MAHUTA TAHUTI MAI ANO. THE AUTHOR OF ONCE WERE WARRIORS CAUSED A STIR THIS WEEK STATING THAT MANY CULTURES ACROSS THE WOLD HAVE SUFFERED HORRIBLE CRUELTIES BUT HAVEN'T ALL BECOME KILLERS AND THIEVES. ALAN DUFF'S HARSH CRITIQUE OF MAORIDOM APPEARED AS A COLUMN IN THE NZ HERALD THIS WEEK. IT CLAIMED MAORI POLITICAL LEADERS WHINGE ABOUT POVERTY, BUT NEVER URGE MAORI INTO BUSINESS. MR DUFF ALSO TOOK A SWIPE AT MAORI ACADEMIC DR LEONIE PIHAMA, WHO HAD RECENTLY COMMENTED ON THE ISSUE OF MAORI CHILD ABUSE, SAYING IT IS A RESULT OF HISTORICAL TRAUMA CAUSED BY COLONISATION. ALSO IN DUFF'S SIGHTS WAS THE LATE DR RANGINUI WALKER WHO, IN HIS WORDS, WAS THE MASTER OF THE GRIPE AND DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING, OR SAY ANYTHING, TO ADVANCE MAORI PEOPLE. WE ASKED THE HERALD'S EDITOR SHAYNE CURRIE TO JOIN US THIS MORNING, BUT HE DECLINED, REFERRING US INSTEAD TO ALAN DUFF, WHO WE WERE UNABLE TO CONTACT. SO, HERE TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE IS DR LEONIE PIHAMA. TENA KOE. KIA ORA, MIHI. WELL, ALAN DUFF IS ESSENTIALLY TELLING MAORI TO SORT THEMSELVES OUT, AND NOT RELY ON OTHERS TO FIX THEIR PROBLEMS. I GUESS, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT SENTIMENT? WELL, YOU KNOW, ALAN DUFF'S TAKEN A VERY, UM, LIMITED VIEW OF THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF OUR PEOPLE AND HE COMES FROM A REALLY DEFICIT KIND OF FRAME WHERE HE PUTS ALL OF THE, UM` THE BLAME FOR THE CURRENT CONTEXTS THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN NOW ON INDIVIDUAL FAMILIES, WHANAU, HAPU AND IWI. AND HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE AN ABILITY TO SEE A BROADER` YOU KNOW, THE BROADER ISSUE, WHICH IS THE` WHAT I WAS WRITING ABOUT IN THE EARLIER, UM, PIECE THAT I WROTE WAS AROUND, UM, THE IMPACT OF HISTORICAL TRAUMA, AND THE WAY IN WHICH COLONISATION HAS REALLY DISTORTED AND DISRUPTED A WHOLE RANGE OF KNOWLEDGES, TRADITIONAL KNOWLEDGE, THE ENABLE US TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR LIVES. SO, ALAN DUFF, I MEAN, HE'S CONSISTENT. HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR MANY YEARS. UM, BUT ACTUALLY HIS APPROACH DOES NOTHING. IT DOES NOTHING TO ADVANCE, UM, OUR HEALING, IT DOES NOTHING TO ADVANCE SOCIAL JUSTICE, IT DOES NOTHING TO ADVANCE THE RETURN OF OUR LAND. UM, YEAH, SO IT'S NOT` I MEAN, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FROM HIM. IT'S PRETTY USUAL. AND HE HAS ALSO BEEN WRITING IN THE NZ HERALD FOR A WHILE NOW. YOU'VE ALSO TAKEN A SWIPE AT THE HERALD. YOU SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED A MORE DIVERSE, UM, MAORI VIEW ON THINGS. I GUESS THEY WOULD SAY THEY'RE A BUSINESS AND THEY'RE` YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT AN AUDIENCE TO REPRESENT, AND DO YOU THINK THAT THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE WIDER INDIGENOUS VIEW? I THINK THEY CONTINUE TO PUBLISH OPINION COLUMNS LIKE DUFF'S AS IF THEY'RE SOMEHOW FACTUAL, AS IF THEY HAVE SOME GROUNDING IN REALITY IN TERMS OF THE EXPERIENCES OF OUR PEOPLE. AND UNTIL THEY GET A MUCH BROADER, UM, VOICE IN THE HERALD THAT PROVIDES A MORE INFORMED VIEW, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO` THEY CONTINUE TO PANDER TO A VERY CONSERVATIVE` DO YOU KNOW ALAN DUFF? NOT PERSONALLY. I DON'T KNOW ALAN DUFF. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THERE HE TAKES A SWIPE AT YOU. HE CALLS YOU AND EXCUSE-MONGERING MAORI ACADEMIC. UM, YOU STRIKE ME AS A PERSON WITH THICK SKIN, BUT IN THAT HE ALSO SAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS A SWIPE AT THE LATE DR RANGINUI WALKER. DO YOU THINK THAT'S A BIT LOW GIVEN HE'S ONLY RECENTLY PASSED AWAY. WELL, I WROTE THAT IN THE BLOG THAT I WROTE IN REPLY TO ALAN DUFF, THAT, ACTUALLY, I FOUND IT VERY COWARDLY OF HIM TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF STATEMENTS NOW THAT RANGINUI IS NOT HERE. BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS ALIVE, RANGINUI RESPONDED QUITE REGULARLY TO ALAN DUFF, AND VERY FORCIBLY, UH, TO THE COMMENTS MADE BY ALAN DUFF. YOU KNOW, RANGINUI REALLY CLEARLY ACCEPTED THAT DUFF'S VIEWS AND VIEWS LIKE THAT ARE REALLY IRRELEVANT TO THE` TO THE ADVANCEMENT OF MAORI PEOPLE. SO THAT'S A REALLY COWARDLY ACT IN MY VIEW, TO BE DOING THAT, AND I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF HIS VIEW OF ME, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. UM, YOU KNOW THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES FOR MAORI TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS. TE WHARE PORA IS ONE OF THEM, I GUESS, BUT, UM, NOT A LOT IN MAINSTREAM NZ. I MEAN, WE DON'T SEE LOTS OF` YOU KNOW, ALAN DUFF, WE HEAR ABOUT HIM, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE LACKING OF MAORI COMMENTATORS, MAORI JOURNALISTS IN THE HERALD AND STUFF, ON TELEVISION AS WELL. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE FOR 40 YEARS, 50 YEARS, YOU KNOW? AND I THINK PROBABLY THIS PROGRAMME IS A RESULT OF SOME OF THAT CRITIQUE THAT HAS BEEN PUT TO MAINSTREAM BROADCASTERS. UM, NOT ONLY NEWSPAPER, BUT TELEVISION. UM, MAORI TV WAS AN ATTEMPT TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A KIND OF VOICE AND BALANCE FOR US, AND I THINK IT'S GONE SO FAR, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A LOT MORE KAUPAPA MAORI APPROACH, UH, TO BROADCASTING EVEN ON MAORI TELEVISION. UM, DEFINITELY WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, THERE CONTINUES TO BE A REAL LACK OF REPRESENTATION THAT GIVES THE DIVERSITY OF OUR` OF OUR EXPERIENCE, UM, AND REALLY THE DIVERSITY OF OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THIS COUNTRY. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UM, PAKEHA NZ BELIEVE THAT ALAN DUFF REPRESENTS US? BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY VOICE THAT THEY'RE READING ABOUT. WELL, I THINK THAT MAINSTREAM NZ, UM, INCLUDING PAKEHA, BELIEVE THAT ALAN DUFF'S VOICE IS LEGITIMATE, AND THAT IT'S BASED IN SOME KIND OF FACT, AND IT'S NOT. IT'S AN OPINION. AND EVERYONE CAN HAVE AN OPINION, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF A THOUSAND PEOPLE CAME TO YOU WITH THE OPINION THAT EARTH WAS FLAT, WOULD WE AGREE WITH THAT OPINION? I MEAN, THAT OPINION IS INCORRECT AND ALAN DUFF'S OPINION IS INCORRECT. I JUST WANNA, UM, BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO A LETTER, THE RESPONSE WE'VE HAD FROM THE NZ HERALD JEST RECENTLY, AND, UH, THIS SI WHAT HE SAYS, THIS SI SHAYNE CURRIE, THE EDITOR. 'IT'S AN IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE OF ANY DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY WITH A FREE PRESS THAT WE SUPPORT AND PROMOTE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND VIEWS, AND FOSTER HEALTHY DEBATE.' DO YOU BELIEVE THEY DID THAT? I DON'T. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY DID THAT, AND I KNOW THAT THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE I KNOW THE NUMBER OF MAORI, UH, INTELLECTUALS AND ACADEMICS AND COMMUNITY PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY HAVE RESPONDED TO THE HERALD, AND THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PUBLISHED. SO I THINK THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS` THE NOTION OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, YOU KNOW, IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC WHEN YOUR TALKING ABOUT INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE ONLY REPRESENTED IN ONE WAY. OK, SO THEN HE'S SAYING WITH YOUR PERMISSION ` AND HE'S REFERRING TO YOU ` HE'D LIKE TO PUBLISH YOUR PIECE AS A RIGHT OF REPLY TO MR DUFF'S COMMENTS. WOULD YOU BE OK WITH THAT? YEAH, I'D BE TOTALLY FINE WITH THE HERALD PUBLISHING THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT AS A ONE-OFF IS NOT ENOUGH. WOULD YOU LIKE TO BECOME A REGULAR CONTRIBUTOR, PERHAPS? LOOK, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOANA JACKSON AS A REGULAR CONTRIBUTOR. I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM PUBLISH MOANA JACKSON'S RESPONSE TO ALAN DUFF. I MENA, I THINK THAT THE HERALD, IF THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN JUST DO A ONE-OFF REPLY TO A PIECE LIKE THIS, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. SO, PRINT YOUR PIECE AND YOU'LL PROVIDE HIM WITH A LIST OF COMMENTATORS? OH, WE CAN PROVIDE (LAUGHS) WITH A LIST OF COMMENTATORS, YEAH. KIA ORA, DR LEONIE PIHAMA FOR COMING IN THIS MORNING. KIA ORA. KIA MAU TONU MAI RA. AFTER THE BREAK OUR POLITICAL PUNDITS ARE ON THE PAEPAE NEXT. E TE IWI, E POWHIRITIA ANA KOUTOU KI TE HUI. KIA ORA MAI ANO. WELL, IT COULD GO DOWN AS THE MOST EXPENSIVE MEAL OF ILLEGAL TEGEL IN THE HISTORY OF AOTEAROA. NGAPUHI LEADER SONNY TAU WAS HANDED DOWN A FINE OF $24,000 FOR HUNTING KERERU THIS WEEK. SO WHERE TO NOW FOR TAU, AND IS THERE A PLACE FOR HIM IN NGAPUHI'S NEW PROPOSED SETTLEMENT STRUCTURE MARANGA MAI, WHICH ALSO WAS REVEALED THIS WEEK. JOINING ME TO TALK TURKEY, LEADERSHIP WRANGLES AND COLONIAL TRAUMA IS THE BEST-LOOKING GROUP OF PEOPLE TO WORK IN RADIO IN NEW ZEALAND. FROM THE WAIKATO, RADIO TAINUI JOURNALIST AMOMAI PIHAMA; RNZ MANU KORIHI EDITOR SHANNON HAUNUI THOMPSON; AND RADIO WATEA BROADCASTER DALE HUSBAND. TENA KOUTOU. GUESTS: KIA ORA. OK, LET'S START WITH THE SERIOUS STUFF ` MARANGA MAI, THE NGAPUHI SETTLEMENT REPORT. WHAT CAUGHT YOUR EYE THIS WEEK? WELL, IT DEFINITELY ACCEPTS THE ARGUMENT FROM TE KOTAHITANGA AND THE TRIBUNAL THAT THE HAPU SHOULD BE DRIVING THE PROCESS, SO IT'S DEFINITELY HAPU BASED. UM, SOME ARGUED THAT IT WAS HAPU BASED BEFORE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY TAKEN ON BOARD THE CONCERNS OF TE KOTAHITANGA. AND I THINK THE NEW STRUCTURE WILL DEFINITELY GIVE HAPU, UH, THE DECISION, THE POWER TO MAKE THE DECISION, REALLY. IS IT INTERESTING TO YOU THAT THAT IS CENTRED AROUND HAPU, GIVEN THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD IT'S IWI THAT'S` NO, NO, IT'S NOT INTERESTING TO ME AT ALL. I THINK IT'S COMMON. IF YOU LIVE WITHIN YOUR HAPU AND YOUR IWI, IT'S COMMON NOW, UM, THAT IWI CONSTRUCTS HAVE COME ABOUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, THROUGH THE SETTLEMENT PROCESS. WE TEND TO LIVE MORE AT A HAPU LEVEL THAN WE DO AT AN IWI LEVEL. WHEN IWI COMES INTO PLAY, I GUESS IT'S WHEN YOU'RE REPRESENTING THAT WIDER GROUP IN AMONGST OTHER IWI. OR WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY, IT'S VERY HAPU BASED. DALE, DO YOU THINK OTHER IWI MIGHT HAVE LIKE TO NEGOTIATE HAPU BASED? I GUESS THEY WOULD. (LAUGHS) LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE INTO NGAPUHI AFFAIRS, YOU KNOW, I'M ALMOST HESITANT TO ADVISE, OF COURSE, BECAUSE I'M NOT FROM THERE. BUT, UH, CERTAINLY SOME COMMON SENSE HAS PREVAILED HERE, BECAUSE WE'VE SLOWED THE ACTION UP. IT FELT LIKE WE WERE BEING FORCED TO SETTLE TO THE GOVERNMENT'S TUNE AND TIMETABLE, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS IN THE NORTH, NOT LEAST THE MENTION OF NOT HAVING CEDED SOVEREIGNTY. IT'S A VERY COMPLEX ARGUMENT. THE HAPU HAVE PUT A WEDGE INTO THE SETTLEMENT PROGRAMME, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO RESOLVE, BUT THAT'S OK. IF WE WANT THE SETTLEMENTS TO BE ENDURING AND TO HAVE SOME LONGEVITY, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DONE WELL, AND THIS GIVES SOME BREATHING SPACE FOR HAPU TO PUT THEIR ARGUMENTS, URBAN MAORI TO PUT THEIRS FORWARD AS WELL. SO I THINK COMMON SENSE HAS PREVAILED. HONE SADLER SAYS MAYBE WE'LL GET IT SETTLED BY 2020. THAT'S STILL FOUR YEARS OFF, SO THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD TIMEFRAME TO WORK TO. HOW ABOUT SONNY TAU? YOU KNOW, THE SENTENCE HAS BEEN HANDED DOWN. IT'S KIND OF FINISHED FOR HIM NOW. IS THERE A PLACE FOR HIM IN THE LEADERSHIP OF MARANGA MAI? WELL` IN THE NEW STRUCTURE? WELL, WITHIN THE REPORT, THEY'VE REMOVED THE RUNANGA SEAT. SO IF HE IS ALLOWED TO GO BACK OR CHOOSES TO GO BACK TO THE RUNANGA, HE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET REPRESENTATION THROUGH THERE. THROUGH THERE. BUT HE COULD STILL BECOME A HAPU REP IF HIS HAPU STILL DECIDE TO ELECT HIM OR PUT HIM FORWARD. I MEAN, THERE IS A` THERE IS A SMALL GROUP, UM, WITHIN THE REPORT CALLED TE HONONGA ITI, AND THEY WILL PRETTY MUCH HOLD THE, UM` THEY WILL HAVE THE MAIN DECIDING POWER. THEY WILL EXECUTE ALL THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE HAPU. AND IN THE REPORT, THEY ACTUALLY SUGGEST WHOEVER SITS IN THAT GROUP DOESN'T HAVE A CRIMINAL CONVICTION, WHICH, YOU KNOW` BUT IT'S UP TO THE HAPU AGAIN ONCE` MM. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW... UM, EARLIER I SPOKE WITH DR LEONIE PIHAMA, WHO HAD RESPONDED TO, UH, A COLUMN BY ALAN DUFF. MM-HM. UM, SHE'S CALLING FOR MORE DIVERSE VOICES IN THE MAINSTREAM. I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THREE JOURNALISTS SITTING HERE ` HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONTACTED OR APPROACHED BY THE NZ HERALD OR STUFF TO BE A COLUMNIST? AMOMAI, SHANNON: NO. BUT I'M NOT A PRINT JOURNALIST, AND THERE'S SO MANY PRINT JOURNALISTS OUT THERE OR COMMENTATORS IN THE PRINT GENRE, THE TWO MOANAS ` MOANA JACKSON, MOANA MANIAPOTO ` JUST TO NAME A COUPLE THAT HAVEN'T ALSO, SO MAYBE NOT US, BUT` DALE, YOU HAVE BEEN WRITING FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOW. YOU'RE DOING THE E-TANGATA THERE. HAVE YOU BEEN APPROACHED? NO, I HAVEN'T, BUT I'M ALSO NOT SURPRISED. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A GREAT DIET FOR SEEING CULTURAL ISSUES THROUGH A MAORI LENS IN AOTEAROA. SENSATIONALISM SELLS PAPERS. AND ALAN DUFF IS A MASTER OF WRITING ABOUT DYSFUNCTION, ISN'T HE, RIGHT WHEN WE STRETCH BACK TO HIS MOST SUCCESSFUL WORKS, 'WARRIORS' AND THE LIKE. HE HAS AN INSIGHT TO THAT WORLD. I GET DISAPPOINTED AT A GUY WHO'S A VERY SKILFUL WRITER IS NOT USING THAT SKILL TO ENHANCE AND ENCOURAGE, RATHER THAN TO DENIGRATE AND BELITTLE OUR PEOPLE, AND HE DOES IT FROM AFAR. IT'S EASY SHOTS TO FIRE FROM FRANCE. IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE, BUT 95% OF MAORI PARENTS ARE DAMN GOOD PEOPLE. THEY'RE DOING THEIR BEST JOB. AND THERE'S A SMALL SECTION OF DYSFUNCTION THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE AS A PEOPLE, BUT I WISH HE'D STOPPED WRITING SO MUCH ABOUT IT AND START LOOKING AT THE MAGIC THAT EXISTS WITHIN OUR PEOPLE AND, UH, WHAKA` HAPAI MAORI, RATHER THAN PUTTING US DOWN ALL TIME. THE HERALD SHOULD MAKE THAT CALL. THE NZ HERALD HAS OFFERED DR LEONIE PIHAMA AN OPPORTUNITY AS A RIGHT OF REPLY TO PUBLISH HER PIECE. TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE? OR SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE? TOTALLY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON THEY HAVE CONTINUALLY USED HIS COLUMNS BECAUSE HE WRITES SUCH SENSATIONAL` YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE BACKING UP HIS ARGUMENT. YOU KNOW, AND IT COMES BACK TO THAT REAL, WHICH WE ALL FACED AS JOURNALISTS, IS HAVING TO PROVIDE CLICKBAIT. YOU KNOW, HE IS THE PURE CLICKBAIT, WHICH IS JUST, UM` IT'S GETTING A BIT TIRED AND OLD, AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE LEONIE TO SAY YES, DESPITE TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE. THE HERALD NEEDS TO STRENGTHEN THEIR MAORI NEWS DESK, SHOULDN'T THEY? MM. THERE SHOULD BE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO TRAIN MAORI JOURNALISTS. THERE SHOULD BE A PATHWAY FOR THEM TO GET TO THIS` THEY DON'T EVEN NEED TO DO THAT. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS ASK, ARRANGE A DIFFERENT MAORI PRINT JOURNALIST WHO HAVE GOT GREAT PERSPECTIVES, LEANING MORE TOWARDS THE POSITIVE AND SLIGHTLY MORE INSIGHTFUL AND IN TOUCH BECAUSE THEY LIVE HERE IN NZ. ALL NAMES THAT DR LEONIE PIHAMA WILL BE ABLE TO PUT ON HER LIST SHE CAN CARRY WHEN SHE RESPONDS TO HIM. NANAIA MAHUTA ` WE HAD HER ON THE SHOW, THE FIRST PARLIAMENTARIAN TO HAVE A KAUAE TEHE. LOOKS FANTASTIC. UH, SHE` IMPORTANT MILESTONE FOR HER, AMOMAI? ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, EVEN THE WAY THEY DID IT WITH A MOKO WANANGA AT WAAHI PA. THERE WAS ABOUT 12 OF THEM ALL RELATED, FROM KUIA DOWN TO NGAWAI HONE I TE PO, THE QUEEN'S DAUGHTER` THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SORRY. SO THERE WAS A GROUP OF THEM. THERE WAS A WHOLE PROCESS. THERE WAS KARAKIA. IT WAS DONE BY A TOHUNGA TA MOKO, DEREK LARDELLI AND HIS CREW. FOUR OF THEM. YEAH, SO BEAUTIFUL WITH DEPTH AND MEANING, AND I THINK IT JUST SPEAKS TO WHERE NANAIA'S AT, MAYBE. SHE SAYS IT HAS THE SAME LINES AS THE MARAE AT WAAHI ` TANE I TE PUPUKE. MM-HM. VERY INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REALLY GET INTO THE INTRICACIES OF TA MOKO AND WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. YOU'D LOOK AWESOME WITH YOU. SO WOULD YOU AND SO WOULD YOU. I ACTUALLY SAID TO SHANNON THIS WEEK` I SAID, 'OOH, SHANNON, WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ODD ONES OUT SHORTLY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL STATEMENT OF OUR TAHA MAORI, AND IT'S A VERY VISIBLE STATEMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL OF OUR WAHINE, THEY SHOULD AT LEAST CONSIDER WEARING THE MOKO KAUAE. WHAT THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ULTIMATELY WITH IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED TO BE MATATAU I TE REO MAORI IN ORDER TO WEAR IT, AND MY GUT FEELING THERE IS, NO, YOU DON'T. YOUR WHAKAPAPA ALLOWS YOU TO WEAR IT, SO, COME ON, WAHINE MA, LET'S GET IT ALL TOGETHER AND ALL SPORT THEM. KIA ORA MO TENA. HEY, I JUST NEED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, COS WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. UM, US THREE WORKED AT ATN ` AOTEAROA TELEVISION NETWORK ` WITH THE LATE PUHI RANGIAHO. UM, WHAT WILL YOU REMEMBER HER FOR MOST? OH, FOR HER FORESIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS SADLY A KAUPAPA THAT WAS SET UP TO FAIL BY A GOVERNMENT WHO REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR HEART IN THE PICTURE; IT WAS TO PLACATE THE UPPITY MAORI OF THE TIME. BUT IT HAS MORPHED INTO MAORI TELEVISION, WHICH IS DOING SOME GOOD WORK AS WELL. WE NEED MORE PLATFORMS, NOT LESS, AND PUHI WAS ONE OF THE PIONEERS OF THOSE EARLY TIMES. TO UPPITY MAORI OVER THERE AND UPPITY MAORI OVER HERE, I JUST NEED TO ASK HER ` TOMORROW THE KORONEIHANA BEGINS. IT'S THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY SINCE THE PASSING OF TE ARIKINUI AND THE 10TH COMMEMORATION OF KINGI TUHEITIA. YEAH. VERY SPECIAL. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BIG MOMENTS OF THIS WEEK? BIG WEEK COMING UP, SO WE START OFF WITH THE DAY THAT RECOGNISES THE LEGACY OF OUR LATE TE ARIKINUI TE ATAIRANGIKAAHU SO 7 O'CLOCK AT TURANGAWAEWAE THERE'LL BE SPEECHES, THERE'LL BE COMMEMORATIONS, AND THEN WE ALSO MOVE ON TO OUR NORMAL PROGRAMME OF KAWE MATE ON WEDNESDAY` SORRY, ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. WE'VE GOT THE COMMEMORATION FOR THE RETURN OF THE TITLE OF RANGIRIRI, UH, TO OUR KING AND ALSO THE BIGGER PICTURE AROUND THAT, INVITING IN OTHER IWI, AND WE KNOW WITH THE BATTLE COMMEMORATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, SO VERY TIMELY. ALL SORTS OF COOL THINGS LIKE KAPA HAKA AND SPORTS TOO. WE'LL SEE LOTS OF THAT STUFF THIS WEEK ON WATEA, RNZ AND OBVIOUSLY RADIO TAINUI. UM, TENA KOUTOU. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. GUESTS: KIA ORA. WELL, COMING UP NEXT WEEK ON 'THE HUI' ` # HEY, NONNY, DING-DONG, A-LANG, A-LANG, A-LANG. # LIFE COULD BE A DREAM. THEY'RE THE FAN FAVOURITES ON 'THE VOICE AUSTRALIA'. THE CROWD JUST ERUPTED. CHEERING WE'RE SO BESIDES OURSELVES. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK. # LIFE COULD BE A DREAM, SWEETHEART. # THE KIWI TRIO THE KOI BOYS HAVE SHOT TO STARDOM AFTER WOOING THE JUDGES AND THE AUDIENCE IN THEIR BLIND AUDITIONS. BUT THE GOAL OF THIS IS, I SUPPOSE, JUST TO GET MORE PUBLIC AWARENESS ABOUT US AND MAKE A SHITLOAD OF MONEY. WE CATCH UP WITH THE CORPORATE CROONERS TURNED TV STARS NEXT WEEK. NOREIRA KUA HIKINA TE HUI MO TENEI RA. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY, HUI HOPPERS. YOU'LL FIND ALL OF OUR STORIES ON THE 3NOW WEBSITE, AND WE'LL POST LINKS ON FACEBOOK AND ON TWITTER @THEHUITV3. BEFORE WE GO, WE'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR FRIEND AND MENTOR KEITH SLATER, WHO IS LEAVING TV3 AFTER MORE THAN 20 YEARS. KEITH IS THE KAUMATUA OF THE HUI, AND WITHOUT HIS TAUTOKO, AROHA AND GENEROSITY, THIS PROGRAMME WOULDN'T EXIST. NO REIRA KA NUI TE MIHI AROHA KI A KOE E KEITH, MOU I TAKOHA MAI KI A MATOU. WE LEAVE YOU THIS MORNING WITH A CLIP BY TUHOE FILMMAKERS, TIM WORRALL AND AARON SMART. 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