5 ...proudly brought to you by... Tonight on Sunday, history versus housing. What we've got is probably one of the most important archaeological structures in Auckland. It's a bit like a lost world, now being rediscovered. This is big, isn't it, for Maori? We are 40,000 homes short of what Auckland needs now. Can Auckland's desperate need for more housing co-exist with its history? There's nothing else left. This is the last bit. Is this going to happen? Yes, it's going to happen. < Could this be the next Bastion Point? It very well could be. Go as far far south as you can possibly go, stop and look up. It just takes your breath away. And when they really light up, it's a pretty special, kind of, place to be. We meet the local Kiwi doctor wintering over at the South Pole. You know, if you're going to do it, you're going to do it properly, is my opinion, and being here for winter, you know, you're seeing Antarctica's true colours. Springsteen opens up before touring down under... Take one. It's a lovely place so I'm looking forward to coming. ...on life before he was 'The Boss'... You're picked on, you're beat up, you're cast out. These are the A, B and Cs of rock stardom. ...and why he loves performing live. And once I catch that wave, I'm just enjoying watching the audience surf it with me. I'm just having fun watching the audience come out of themselves. # Baby, we were born to run. # Captions by Anne Langford. Captions were made possible with funding from NZ On Air. Copyright Able 2016 Kia ora. I'm Miriama Kamo. We're a relatively young country so it's easy to think we wouldn't have ancient ruins, but, in fact, we do. Not as famous as the Colosseum in Rome, maybe, but every bit as important. And according to some of their guardians, these ruins are under immediate threat from development. The tension over Otuataua has sparked a warning that Auckland could be facing another Bastion Point. This from Ian Sinclair. WOMAN SINGS MAORI SONG In a forgotten corner of the Manukau at Otuataua lies an ancient stone garden, the last global milestone of mankind. I mean, you go up there and you see the Manukau Heads, and I immediately imagine our waka, Tainui Waka, coming through there. Legend has it, eight centuries ago, Pania Newton's people were the pioneers. They settled right here on the final frontier, Aotearoa. This area is important to the history of Auckland and NZ. We're talking about the first humans to ever arrive after the great migration. But now another migration is on the way, one Pania is determined to fight. I'm gonna do everything that I can to protect and preserve this land. Could this be the next Bastion Point? It very well could be. POLICE: Whether you leave peacefully and with dignity or whether you are forcibly removed, is a decision for you to make. Bastion point ` a flashpoint in the '70s over a government plan to develop prime Auckland land, land Maori claimed as their own. How much longer must we talk, must we ask? How much bloody longer? Again, another collision course is looming. It would be easy to dismiss these rock walls as simply a pile of stones, but carbon dating and archaeology proves they were put here by human hand hundreds of years ago. Now, they're protected, but right next door, just beyond that white flag, is a council approved plan to build nearly 500 new houses. And according to conservationists, that's like throwing up a block of flats right next to Stonehenge. Stonehenge is going to look pretty wretched with a bunch of houses next to it, similarly with the stone-field reserve. David Veart, archaeologist, has studied this settlement for over 30 years. Now he fears for its future. What we've got is probably one of the most important archaeological structures in Auckland. We're walking through the middle of an extremely large whare. And this house was built hundreds of years ago sitting up on top of this lava ridge. And what we can see on either side is we can see, that's the front wall there, the side walls and the back wall. This is what archaeologists believe it would have looked like ` a whare that sheltered generations of families over hundreds of years. Extraordinary view, dominating position. This is big, isn't it, for Maori? It is. It's what archaeologists used to refer to as a chief's house. It's of that dimension. Carbon dating indicates Maori may well have admired this view 200 years before Columbus discovered America. There are dates dating back to the 13th century. So we're talking Magna Carta. We're talking Crusades. At that stage there are people living on this land. Once most of Auckland looked like this. Back in the '30S, archaeologist Geoff Fairfield photographed Auckland's lost world from a biplane. He could see amazing garden systems from his aeroplane in these little walls that go across gullies, stones stacked on to outcrops to form shelter for the gardens. What happened to all these ruins? We just quarried them. It's a bit like, sort of, you know, 'Well, OK, we'll keep the big pyramid and the second biggest but all the rest of them are going.' Leaving the last 100ha at Otuataua saved as a council reserve. That's protected. That's enough, isn't it? What more do you want? Well, the problem now is, is that there's nothing else left. There used to be thousands and thousands of hectares of this sort of landscape. This is the last bit. Now white banners form a line of defence around the stone fields. We've marked out the boundaries with white flags because they're a symbolic sign of peace and protest. With hundreds of homes on private land next door, objectors fear that will bring more people on to the reserve. And as they see it, even child's play could knock over stones loosely stacked hundreds of years ago. People climbing on it, having no respect or knowledge about the significance of this area, going into these spaces. If we put another thousand people right on its boundary, it's going to need a hell of a lot of attention in terms of infrastructure from the council who now manage it. All this on land Pania believes was wrongfully taken from local Maori. This land was confiscated in 1863 because the iwi and the people of this land wouldn't pledge their allegiance to the Crown. After that, European farmers took over this land that had been cultivated very nicely for the last few hundred years. After land confiscation, came quarries, later the foreshore polluted with the Mangere sewerage treatment ponds. As Pania sees it, housing development is just the latest threat. Us as a people here have already suffered enough for the greater good of Auckland. Now there's also the question ` what lies under the proposed development site itself? We have burial sites that are on that land, and within it we have lava caves, which is also special sites of significance for us. You have this... this little lost world where things have been preserved in time, and it seems really unfortunate that part of the story is about to disappear. After the break, what Fletcher is planning to put up next door... We think there is a great opportunity to provide housing and history. And that's what we think Stonefield is really about. ...and where the battle lines are drawn. We're prepared to escalate our action to occupy this land. Is this going to happen? Yes, it's going to happen. 5 Ihumatao. Ever heard of it? When you say the word Ihumatao, they don't even know where it is. They think it's in some other part of the country, not in Mangere. That's right. Mangere, as in 'gateway to Auckland'. It's just down the road. Round the corner. And that's how I explain it to them, and they think, 'What? Never been there.' And that's just how the locals like it. I don't really care that much because it means they don't come out here. But Ihumatao, population just 294, hides a special secret because for centuries, it's been home to the guardians of those stone fields at Otuataua. While Auckland's population explodes all around, the stone fields and the settlement have slumbered just half an hour from Queen Street,... until now. We think that there's a great opportunity to provide housing and history, and that's what we think that Stonefields is really about. And here, at Wattle Downs, is an example of what Fletcher plans to build next door to those stone fields. And I think how it's directly relevant is that it's a great streetscape. It's also a good community that we've created, and that's taken time to be able to establish. Fletcher's Steve Evans believes this will blend in nicely with Ihumatao's history. You've got some smaller as well as larger double storeys, and again over this side you've got smaller, single-storey houses as well. The philosophy of building a community is all about a range of houses you provide, a range of homes and make that experience of a community very visible as well as functional. So then the maximum number of houses there would be 480? That's correct. We would envisage that's about a thousand people in the new community. And that supplies just a fraction of Auckland's desperate need for housing. We are 40,000 homes short of what Auckland needs now. That's fine, say objectors, but not at Ihumatao. On the edge of the development block, protestors drop tons of concrete blocks. The message? They could be here to stay. Today you are all witnessing this historic event. That this could well be a long fight. This land is so precious that we're prepared to escalate our action to occupy this land. Occupation. It's got the backing of Mangere's local MP. I think that's what we are left with. We're not against the development of land per se because we need more housing, but there are far better areas for developing houses. So, if need be, then that's what needs to happen. So a lawmaker advocating, possibly, people breaking the law. Are you comfortable with that? When the law is wrong then I think people are left with no other choice but to respond. Ihumatao is not only a Maori issue, it's not a Mangere issue or a community issue, but this is a NZ issue. < Why the protest? The protest is clearly about the significance of the stone fields next to our site. We absolutely realise the importance of the stone fields next to us and we think that our design caters for that. But the concern is from archaeologists that you are building over old occupied areas. Who knows what's under there? We have engaged our own archaeologist. We've actually done ground-penetrating radar of the site as well. So we know exactly where the underground caves are, and we're committing not to build over them. We know that there is a midden. We've identified that as part of that ongoing engagement that we've had with iwi, so we're clearly not building in any of the areas where that is the case. Can you be sure? Because the archaeologists say they don't know. And we will have an archaeologist with us as we go through this process. I made a mistake, and since I realised that mistake, I've done everything I can to try and put it right. Auckland councillor Cathy Casey regretting she voted to approve a development that looked fine on paper. We saw 'A OK'. That's why it was recommended by staff, you know. The iwi had signed off and there were no issues sufficient to bring to council's attention. And how many developments were you considering that day? Well, there was over 80. That's 80 special housing areas pushed through under the government's new fast-track legislation. The process for establishing special housing areas, it was done behind closed doors, still in confidence until it went to the Minister. So, really, there's no public input until the end of the process. Only later did she learn there was a split among local Maori. ALL CHANT HAKA She had a final option ` give the objectors one last say. The residents of Ihumatao and our wider community were unaware that this area had been established as an SHA until we saw pegs being surveyed on the land. It was apparent while the marae committee supported the development, others did not. And what was patently obvious here was a mismatch between the people I saw ` there must have been a couple of hundred ` and the negotiation which had been done on their behalf by their elders. Now that's an issue for them, but most definitely all was not well at Ihumatao. In their defence, elders argued they negotiated the best deal possible for a development they couldn't stop. The only reason we begun to talk with Fletcher's was that to change things there needed to be a law change. One concession, won by the elders, between the development and the stone fields, an 80m buffer zone. Despite the opposition, the council stood by its decision. On all of our developments we have people that support and don't support our development. The marae has given us their voice of support as they have through that SHA process. Were you aware, though, that within the iwi there was opposition? You'll always get those that won't particularly like what we do, so, yes, we were aware. Did you inform the council of that opposition? We didn't apply for the SHA. We supported the SHA process. So it's not up to us to make those comments through to council. It's council's. I don't think you'll ever get to a position where everyone agrees. I think if you look at any development throughout Auckland, you're always going to find more than one person that doesn't agree with what developers do. You know, I think it will be another Bastion Point, and I'll be right there shoulder to shoulder with them. This land is precious to them, there's no question, and it shouldn't be built on. Well, Bastion Point is a completely different scenario, of course, because Bastion Point was a piece of public land. This isn't. This is a piece of private land. It's been in private hands for 150 years. Council have approved, now six years ago, five years ago, for housing to be on this piece of land. And we think we're the right, responsible developer to turn what is already an approved process into reality. And what would be the overall value of the project? It's in the hundreds of millions. < Hundreds of millions of dollars? Correct. Is this going to happen? Yes, it's going to happen. Not if Cathy Casey can help it. Although appeals have run out, she's hoping for a political solution. The issue is whether council's prepared to put some money up to fix this. Do you think they should? > Me? Yes, of course. We made a mistake. Mistakes cost money, you know. And Fletcher, as the developer, has, you know, presumably expended quite a bit of money in their process to get this far. And we owe it to them to give them somewhere else that's equal, if not better, than what they have now. But this piece of land shouldn't be the one they build on. It shouldn't be. To aid the campaign, Pania Newton has yet another strategy. She just got a law degree. For us as Maori we say, 'To know where you're going, you must know where you've come from.' And so the land, in this environment, motivates me and inspires me to succeed. Having a law degree will assist me in trying to protect and preserve this land. In her opinion, there's a lot to defend. Enough is enough. How much more do we have to suffer and how much more history and heritage and culture must we lose for the progress of Auckland? And we will watch developments. Well, later, Bruce Springsteen on his connection with Christchurch and on life before he was 'The Boss'. But up next, minus-60 degrees and a never-ending night. There's drama on ice and drama in the skies. We are with the Kiwi doctor at the South Pole. Do you get scared if you think too much about that sense of isolation? Yeah. And you don't tell your parents about that kind of stuff before you go. You know, if you're going to do it, you're going to do it properly, is my opinion, and, you know, being here for winter, you know, you're seeing Antarctica's true colours. 4 Welcome back. It's so far south that to go any further, you'd be going north again. There's no direction. There's no time, and in the winter, there's no day, just one long night that lasts six months. The upside? Here at the absolute bottom of the world you get a view of the Aurora Australis that is astounding. It's taken us several weeks to get the footage over to this side of the Southern Ocean, but tonight we can finally show you the results of one Kiwi doctor's incredible mission to photograph the great Southern Lights from the South Pole. Here's Sonya Wilson. If you go south, as far south as it is possible to go, on the ground there is nothing for miles and miles and miles. But in the sky,... M83'S 'OUTRO' # I'm the king of my own land. ...there are wonders. # Facing tempests of dust, # I'll fight till the end. This is what the Aurora Australis looks like from the South Pole. Yes, it's totally surreal, but apart from the time lapse, there are no special effects involved here. This is the show that Mother Nature pulls off all on her own. # Now and forever... # You go outside, and you can't tell how it's gonna be because they're silent. You look up, and all of a sudden the sky is going crazy above you. The man we have to thank for this otherworldly vision... is Hamish Wright, a Kiwi doctor wintering over on an American research base at the South Pole. OK, and go for it. We're interviewing him remotely for this story. Hello, Hamish. Can you hear me OK if I'm talking this way? Yep, I can. Um, yeah, so we're talking over satellite ` over, actually, the NATO Constellation satellite. It's not ideal, but it works. For me, looking at it here, it just takes your breath away. Yeah. It's, uh... Yeah, like, I put a couple on Facebook recently, and a friend showed them to her daughter, and she thought it was witch's smoke, and, you know, people just... especially 3-year-old kids just get bewildered, because it looks just like things off the Disney cartoons that they watch. But, you know, the times where you get the greens, where they` you know, the ones where they're sort of rolling in in waves and waves and waves, and, you know, you're seeing it all get dark, and then all of a sudden the light will explode. Those are` The really dynamic changes are the ones which are, you know, the most impressive. Hamish Wright is living in arguably the most inhospitable place on the planet. In winter, it is perpetually dark, it's minus-60 degrees, and it's totally cut off. No one can get in, and no one can get out for eight straight months. What can you see if you look out your window? Uh, well, all of our windows are boarded up, unfortunately, over winter. There's a lot of light-sensitive scientific experiments that go on during the winter here. But if I was to look out the window, all I'd see would be a very dark, black, icy plateau with the nearest rocks or trees or mountains several thousand kilometres away. Hamish arrived here at the Pole in late summer, and a month later, the sun's path across the sky was already low. He saw it set completely on the 25th of March, and he won't see it above the horizon again until the 20th of September. 10 months on the ice all up; six of those in darkness. You know, if you're gonna do it, you're gonna do it properly, is my opinion, and, uh, going down for summer is awesome. Coming to Antarctica is always gonna be phenomenal, but, um, being here for winter is really` you know, you're seeing Antarctica's true` its colours. Life in a freezer box isn't easy, but, yeah, you do have this. SWEEPING CELLO MUSIC The winter's auroras are astounding and for many worth every cold, dark, isolated month. People really do miss the sun here, but the auroras, in a way, they are the sun's proxy. It's all radiation that comes from the sun, um, and when they really light up, it's a pretty special kind of place to be in a pretty special moment. At the bottom of the world where a single night lasts for six months, time is arbitrary. There's no time zone, as the station sits at the convergence of all the world's time zones. There's no direction either, really, because from here, everywhere is north. In the middle of this barren ice desert, 48 mostly American scientists and support staff are living a life confined to a one-kilometre radius. Any other human and any other colour other than white is a long, long way away. How does that feel being stuck in the middle of that? Um,... I guess it's` I don't know, it's pretty awesome being here. Like, you don't really think too much about how far away things are. It's just such an inhospitable place. But, man, we seem to want to live in random and difficult places, and I guess it's just man's inquisitive nature. We try and push the boundaries of what's possible. There is no better place to study the stars, the atmosphere, cosmic radiation, you name it. These telescopes, as well as providing an interesting foreground to the aurora show, are doing ground-breaking work. You get to see some pretty unique science down here, and, yeah, this is sort of` Some of the stuff that goes on here is, you know, potentially Nobel Prize winning material. And so, you know, it's awesome to be part of. If you just sat here and looked at the wall all day, then you would lose the plot rapidly. It's about minus-50, minus-55 degrees Celsius, and this is a tub of boiling water. Outside may be where the action is, but outside, boiling water freezes in mid-air. An afternoon stroll will get you frozen eyelashes if you're lucky, frostbite if you're not. People particularly get frostbite, you know, on the bridge of their nose and under their eyes. You know, you can grow a good Antarctic beard to try and protect your chin and your lips and things like that, but unfortunately it doesn't do much protection for around the rest of your face, and particularly that's where most people commonly get frostbite. And it's never really serious. What does negative-70 degrees feel like? Uh, cold. (CHUCKLES) Um, it's kinda` it's sort of hard to explain. Like,... to a degree, like, cold is cold, and once it gets, sort of, past minus-30, you need to be wrapped up really well anyway. And even wrapped up completely, you can't survive outside for long, which means that the South Pole photographers have to get creative with their camera gear, particularly when it comes to recording those time-lapses. Two litre bottles of boiling water packed in next to the camera's battery keeps it warm enough to give Hamish about five hours of recording time. Then he has to wrap himself up, layer after layer, for the long slow trudge out into the vast white nothing. ELYSIAN FIELDS' 'GOD IS AN ASTRONAUT' He leaves the camera out on the ice, and then, well, it's a fishing expedition. Sometimes you catch a big one. Sometimes, you get nothing. In a way the photos do it better justice then what our eyes do, but, you know, the days where you truly get a full colourful display with roving colours that you can see in the sky with the naked eye, those are the really special moments. There are a lot of downsides to being stuck in an icy box for, you know, 10 months, but there are some really awesome upsides, and I think the auroras are, you know, one of the leading things which people come down here for. And when they are really good, like, the snow will go green. You go outside, and you can navigate by aurora light when it's good. If the auroras die off and then you are stumbling round in the dark, and you happen to walk into a 4ft snowdrift that you didn't see and you end up face-planted in a whole lot of fresh ice, but, uh, at least its nice and soft, and there's no one for a thousand kilometres to laugh at you. (CHUCKLES) No, nor to pull you out, though. No, no. There's no crevasses here, which is nice. Yes, help is a long, long way away if something goes wrong. Is that not terrifying? Do you get scared if you think too much about that sense of isolation? Yeah, and you don't tell your parents about that sort of stuff before you go. You don't need to remind them the fact that help is a long way away. It was on Hamish's watch this winter, though, that help was in fact called in. In the first midwinter rescue in the station's history, two seriously ill workers were evacuated from the ice ` an unprecedented, hugely complex mission in pitch dark and minus-75 degrees. That displayed the willingness of the programme to get people out at a time of need. But help is, you know, two weeks away, and that is a phenomenally big undertaking for that help to occur. You know, if you're on the International Space Station and something goes wrong, you can be back on Earth within 24 hours, which is, um,... you know, convenient. Aside from looking after the health of his colleagues and his aurora photography, Hamish is keeping busy by training for a marathon. That's a lot of miles on a treadmill at an altitude of nearly 3000m. And when's the last time you had a shave, Hamish? Uh, well, you know, it's not every day you get to grow as feral a beard as you want. So I shaved the day I left Christchurch, and I'll shave the day I get back and try and regain some respectability. Yes, summer is coming. The sun will soon appear above the horizon again at the South Pole, and Dr Hamish Wright will leave his post for good in a few weeks' time. Back to springtime in NZ for a shave and some fresh fruit with a memory card full of the most incredible footage of the Southern Lights that you are ever likely to see. Amazing. Well, our thanks to Hamish Wright and his colleagues down on the ice: Robert Schwarz, Christian Krueger and Hans Boenish for all their help with getting that footage to us. And perhaps not surprisingly, Hamish is a finalist in the NZ Geographic Photographer of the Year. So good luck to you, Hamish. Well, up next, Bruce Springsteen's only interview about coming down under. Here's what he had to say about the connection that's being made between Christchurch and his music. The song 'City of Ruins' has come to mean a lot to the people of NZ after the Christchurch earthquakes. Right, right. You're aware of that? Yeah. You know, I'd like to go there. It would mean a lot to you that they're enjoying... Yeah, it was a song... I originally wrote the song about my own home town where, you know, they suffered an enormous amount of depression, and it looked like Beirut. So, it started there and then, you know, it took on some added meaning as the song's life went along. When that occurs, it's a nice thing. Give people a little strength and a little fortitude to, uh, carry on. CROWD ROARS All right. Let's go! 4 Hello again. So as you saw just before the break, Bruce Springsteen is looking forward to playing in Christchurch on the eve of the sixth anniversary of the February 2011 earthquake. He's announced just two local gigs; another in Auckland as well. Tonight in his only interview ahead of his brand new tour down under, Bruce Springsteen opens up to Rahni Sadler about life before he was 'The Boss' and how at 66 he's still at the top of his game. All right. May we be at our very best for our brethren here in the great state of New Jersey. And I've got a feeling it's a sweatin' night. Are we ready? ALL: Whoo! Yeah! When I was young, I wanted to be like The Rolling Stones. I wanted to be like The Beatles or Dylan or Elvis. I think it's going to be a sweatin' night, Max. I just wanted to be great. I wanted to rock really hard. Those were my goals, you know. Anything that came in over that has pretty much been, you know, the cheese on the French fries. CROWD ROARS You sound good! Bruce Springsteen is at home, literally. # Everybody's got a hungry heart... # New Jersey is the birthplace of this American music legend. The 55,000 fans he's crowd-surfing with don't know it yet, but 'The Boss' is about to play non-stop for more than four hours. Saw your show the other night. Four hours long. How do you keep it up? > Let's not even go there. What happens is I wait and then I catch a wave, and once I catch that wave, I'm just enjoying watching the audience surf it with me. And then some timeless thing occurs that is the essence of what I do. Cos it's not just a show for you. It's an interaction, isn't it? People are just out of themselves, time has stopped in their lives too and they go to that place that, among other things, only pop music can take you. # I'm standing here on the ground. # Blue sky above won't fall down. In today's downloaded, streamed, Spotified, You Tube world Bruce is a refreshing dose of reality, best experienced live and in person. # Don't change a thing for me. # I live to go to that place. That's what my life is all about. I live to go to that place. And once I get there, the concert determines its own way. CROWD ROARS # I was born in the USA. # I was born in the USA. But spool back to the early '60s, and you'd find a very different Bruce ` a shy kid with big dreams. At school you went through the bullying that is mandatory for any rock star to go through. Yes, it is. Well, what happened? > The usual stuff. You're picked on, you're beat up, you're cast out. These are the A, B and Cs of rock stardom. You know, you can't get there without those things. I don't know somebody who's gotten there, seriously, without those things. So I welcome them now. # We go down to the river # and into the river we dive. # Oh, down to the river we run. I was dealing with a lot of anxiety and feelings I couldn't find my way through, so music was my first self-medication, you know. It centred me, gave me a sense of purpose, sense of identity. Uh, whenever I came home from playing, I felt whole. You talk about in your childhood, your mother's boundless optimism. You say of your father, 'He loved me but he couldn't stand me.' (LAUGHS) Everybody has something like that. Oh, true. > It was just the lay of the land, you know. Do you think you would have had as relentless a drive had you had that love from your father? Honestly, probably not. # I was bruised and battered. # I couldn't tell what I felt. # I was unrecognisable to myself. 'Streets of Philadelphia' won Bruce an Academy Award and four Grammys. Its lyrics ` honest and raw like the stories in his soon-to-be-released autobiography, 'Born To Run'. I've just finished your autobiography, and you are very candid about the depression you've suffered at various points throughout your life, as recently as in the last six years. It takes guts to admit depression, but nobody should be ashamed to talk about depression, should they? No. You know, my take on it was... The book... I was trying to show where the music came from. That's what I took as my parameters. That was part of it. I wasn't trying to go all, uh, Oprah Winfrey on anybody, you know. But, um, it was a part of the roots of my music, and it was a part of my motivation and something that really fuelled the fire. Bruce says he owes a lot to the woman he shares his stage and life with ` Patti Scialfa, his wife of 25 years. BOTH: # Well, if you're rough and ready for love, # honey, I'm tougher than the rest. She was stable enough and strong enough and she brought a lot of love, you know. So those were very healing things over a long period of time. Patti also gave Bruce a family ` Evan, Jessie and Sam. When they were little and didn't quite understand why people were responding the way they did to you, you told them that you were like the adult version of Barney. It was a good way... I mean, I don't know if Barney was popular in Australia, but it was just a way of saying, 'OK, I'm like a purple dinosaur, 'except for big people.' So you're an object of fascination. # Never talk to strangers... # Children have a limited interest in their parent's occupation. What they're interested in is what you can do for them after they get over the initial shock and awe of seeing a lot of people cheering, which no child really wants to see. I mean, they might want to see 50,000 people boo their parents. That's interesting. That would be a lot of fun. But who wants to see them cheering their parents? Nobody. And when it comes to commanding a cheering audience, Bruce is the boss. He earned the nickname because he had the job of collecting money at gigs and sharing it with his band. They're all still among his closest mates. Guitarist Steve Van Zandt and Bruce met when they were teenagers. # There's a hot sun beating on a blacktop. # If she keeps talking she'll be walking that last block. # She can take a taxi back to the ghetto tonight. All right. (LAUGHS) # Cos I've got some beer... # Bruce said we formed a mutual admiration society of two. He had finally met someone who felt about music the way he did. You know, I'd like to say we were, like, courageous, and, you know, really stuck to our guns and, you know, we knew what we wanted to do in life. But to be perfectly honest, we were losers. Grrrrrrrrrr. We were misfits. We were complete, like, rejects from society, and we were one of the two... the last two guys left standing. The one and only performance of this phenomenal song you've captured on tape. So he played me his new song. The riff is right. And with a little help from Steve,... The riff we all know, right? ...this song set the scene for Bruce Springsteen's greatness. OPENING RIFF OF 'BORN TO RUN' In 1975, 'Born to Run' propelled him to heights he never imagined. # In the day we sweat it out on the streets of a runaway American dream. My goal at that time was to make the greatest, you know, pop record that had ever been made. # I want to know if love is wild. # I want to know if love is real. I wanted to feel like... and as I say in the book, the last record you'd ever need to hear. You know, it would send you to that place that I talked about earlier. # Tramps like us, baby, we were born to run. # And we did pretty good with it, you know. We did pretty good with it. It's still a song that soars when it comes on at night, you know. So much of your early life, you and your characters were running from something. Are you still running or do you think you've found what you're looking for? You never find that. That's not what life... Life is a constant pursuit, you know. The wheels never completely quit turning. It's not the way I was built. So we have to deal with the cards we've been dealt. Selfie! CROWD ROARS Goodbye. So cool. And very nice to see the opening for Bruce at both of his concerts is Lyttelton local Marlon Williams. And we did a story on Marlon earlier this year and you can find it on our Facebook page. Well, next, a look at our upcoming story on the 60 Minutes child-snatch bungle in Beirut. I'm speaking to you guys because obviously the truth needs to be told. Handcuffed, manhandled and shoved in the back of a car... ...including reporter Tara Brown. It was the biggest story of the year. We have breaking news about Sally Faulkner and the 60 Minutes crew. Guys, guys, get back, guys! They just want to keep me quiet, honestly. They don't want the truth to come out. To stop you doing this? To stop me sitting here in front of you or anybody else. Hello again. It was a child recovery operation in Beirut that hit the headlines a few months ago. The man who carried out the snatch, Adam Whittington, now wants people to know what really happened; how the TV channel cut him loose and paid half a million dollars for the freedom of everyone bar his team. We'll have his full story next week, but tonight a preview of what Whittington says happened in Beirut. On Wednesday April 6th just after 7 in the morning, Whittington's team moved in. Adam was at the marina preparing the getaway boat. Adam, there's been a lot said and written about the fact that the pick-up was in front of a CCTV camera. And this was the result. Now, it's pretty hard for me to understand exactly what happened. It's a poor picture. Could you explain that to me? Yeah. Sure. As you can see here before I started, you have the grandmother and the nanny, Sally's two children in front. The car is here. There's Sally. Sally picks up one of the kids. One of my guys picks up the other kid. You can actually see Ben, the cameraman. Sally and the kids were taken to a safe house. There they were joined by the rest of the 60 Minutes crew and Adam Whittington. I spend 20 minutes with Sally and the kids in the safe house. They were so happy. So so... All they kept saying is, 'Mummy, we're going back to Australia. 'We're going home.' That's all they kept saying. But this is where the entire plan falls apart. And, um, yeah, the police just turn up. Hezbollah turn up. The army turned up. So that is next week. And that's our show for tonight. Do join us on Facebook and Twitter, Sunday TVNZ, and thanks for joining us this evening. Nga mihi nui, hei kona.