# E AHA TE HOU... # MA TO TATOU WHANAUNGATANGA E WHAKATAKI I TE RITENGA TIKA. KEI AKU NUI, KEI AKU RAHI, NAU MAI, TAHUTI MAI KI TE HUI, E WHAKAPAHO ATU NEI MAI I TE WHARE TUPUNA O TUMUTUMU WHENUA KI ORAKEI. KO MIHINGARANGI TENEI E MIHI ATU NEI. TENA KOUTOU KATOA. WELCOME TO 'THE HUI', MAORI CURRENT AFFAIRS FOR ALL NZERS. WE JOIN YOU TODAY FROM ONE OF TAMAKI MAKAURAU'S MOST ICONIC LANDMARKS, ORAKEI MARAE IN THE HEART OF NGATI WHATUA TERRITORY, WHERE WE'RE HOSTING A SPECIAL AUCKLAND MAYORAL DEBATE. SO TIME NOW TO MEET OUR FOUR MAYORAL HOPEFULS. FIRST UP, MAORI CANDIDATE TYRONE RAUMATI. KIA ORA. APPLAUSE FORMER LABOUR PARTY MP, PHIL GOFF. APPLAUSE KIA ORA KOUTOU. BUSINESSWOMAN VIC CRONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPLAUSE AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, RESTAURATEUR JOHN PALINO. APPLAUSE TENA KOUTOU. WELL, TENA KOUTOU KATOA. WELL, TO MOST NZERS AUCKLAND IS THE CITY OF SAILS ` HOUSE SALES, THAT IS. BUT TO MAORI IT'S TAMAKI MAKAURAU, TAMAKI HERENGA WAKA, TAMAKI DESIRED BY HUNDREDS, TAMAKI THE MOORING PLACE OF CANOES. SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF AUCKLAND FROM A MAORI PERSPECTIVE. WITH ITS THREE HARBOURS WAITEMATA, KAIPARA AND MANUKAU AND ITS RICH VOLCANIC SOILS, TAMAKI MAKAURAU HAS BEEN SOUGHT AFTER AND FOUGHT OVER SINCE POLYNESIANS FIRST ARRIVED ON ITS SHORES. NOWADAYS AROUND 150,000 MAORI FROM ALL AROUND AOTEAROA HAVE MADE AUCKLAND HOME. BUT 176 YEARS AGO, IT WAS NGATI WHATUA RANGATIRA APIHAI TE KAWAU WHO ENVISAGED TAMAKI MAKAURAU AS OUR FOREMOST CITY. HE INVITED GOVERNOR HOBSON TO SET UP HIS GOVERNMENT HERE AND 1840 TE KAWAU SIGNED A DEED THAT GIFTED 3500 ACRES TO ESTABLISH THE CITY OF AUCKLAND. BUT WITHIN 100 YEARS, NGATI WHATUA'S ACT OF GENEROSITY WOULD RENDER THEM ALMOST LANDLESS, THE CROWN AND COUNCIL ACQUIRING ALL BUT A QUARTER-ACRE CEMETERY AT OKAHU BAY. OTHER AUCKLAND IWI FOUND THEMSELVES IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS, TE KAWERAU-A-MAKI, NGATI PAOA, WAI-O-HUIA, NGAI TAI, NGATI TE ATA ALL LOSING MUCH OF THE LAND BENEATH THEM AND SHUT OUT OF AUCKLAND'S ECONOMY. THE MAJORITY OF AUCKLAND'S TREATY CLAIMS HAVE BEEN SETTLED, NGATI WHATUA'S BASTION POINT BECOMING A SYMBOL OF MAORI RESISTANCE AND RESILIENCE, THE SUPERCITY'S COUNCIL NOW RECOGNISING 19 MANA WHENUA GROUPS. BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHO LIVE HERE AREN'T FROM HERE. THEY'RE MIGRANTS ON THE TIDE OF URBAN DRIFT. MORE MAORI CALL TAMAKI HOME THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY. AND WHILE WE'RE OVERREPRESENTED IN ITS JAILS, HOSPITALS AND WINZ OFFICES, WE'RE UNDERREPRESENTED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, BOTH AS COUNCILLORS AND VOTERS. OK, LET'S GET STRAIGHT INTO IT, STARTING WITH YOU, TYRONE. GIVE US THE HARD SELL. WHY SHOULD MAORI VOTE FOR YOU? HEOI ANO I TE TUAHINE ME HE TENEI RA TE MIHI KAUA TU KI A KOE, KI TO TATAU WHANAU ORAKEI MARAE. TENA KOUTOU. UM, I GUESS FROM A YOUNG AGE, AT 14 YEARS OLD I WAS INTRODUCED TO LOCAL BODY POLITICS AND WAS BROUGHT INTO IT AS THE CHAIRMAN OF TE ROOPU RANGATAHI O WAITAKERE, WHICH WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF WAITAKERE CITY COUNCIL SET UP TO VOICE THE OPINION OF YOUNG PEOPLE AT THE TIME. AND TODAY MY FOCUS STILL REMAINS THE SAME. IT STILL REMAINS ON RAISING THAT PROFILE OF MAORI AND ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE NEED TO LEAVE A CITY OF LEGACY TO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. KA PAI. PHIL? 30 SECONDS, SORRY. (LAUGHS) KIA ORA KOUTOU. AND CAN I FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE THE PEOPLE, THE NGATI WHATUA PEOPLE OF ORAKEI AND ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE THAT LED THE STRUGGLE FOR 506 DAYS TO ACHIEVE JUSTICE FOR THEIR PEOPLE. THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SPECIAL PLACE FOR ME. WHY`? WHAT ARE THE ISSUES? WHAT AM I HOPING TO ACHIEVE FOR AUCKLAND? I THINK IT'S ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, THAT EVERYBODY DESERVES THAT BASIC HUMAN RIGHT OF AN AFFORDABLE, DECENT ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS WHERE THEY CAN RAISE THEIR FAMILY IN A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT. WE'VE LOST THAT IN AUCKLAND. SECONDLY, IT'S ABOUT TRANSPORT CONGESTION LEADING TO GRIDLOCK. WHEN I WAS COMING TO RANGINUI WALKER'S FUNERAL HERE LAST YEAR, IT TOOK ME AN HOUR TO GET FROM MY ELECTORATE OFFICE IN MT ROSKILL TO ORAKEI. AND THEN WE WANT FINALLY THE BEST-PERFORMING CITY COUNCIL IN THE COUNTRY USING YOUR MONEY WISELY AND SOUNDLY. KA PAI. VIC? KIA ORA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. I QUIT MY JOB NINE MONTHS AGO BECAUSE I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT A MUCH STRONGER AUCKLAND AND AN ORGANISATION THAT DELIVERS TO MORE AUCKLANDERS. FOR ME, I THINK WE NEED TO LIFT THE ASPIRATIONS OF AUCKLAND. WE NEED TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE, MORE COMPASSIONATE AND ACTUALLY MORE COMPETITIVE ON THE WORLD STAGE. I THINK THAT RESONATES VERY STRONGLY WITH ACTUALLY WHAT MAORI ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. ALSO, I THINK WE DO NEED TO BUILD A WORLD-CLASS INTEGRATED TRANSPORT NETWORK. WE'VE GOT SERIOUS HOUSING ISSUES. WE NEED SOME INNOVATIVE NEW THINKING AND SOLUTIONS AROUND THAT. KIA ORA. SO I WANT TO BRING MY EXPERIENCE TO THAT. KIA ORA. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, JOHN PALINO. FIRST LET ME SAY NGA MIHI, KIA ORA. KIA ORA. LOOK, I MOVED HERE 21 YEARS AGO. I ACTUALLY MOVED HERE FOR A MAORI WOMAN, AND SOME OF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW HER, BUT I WON'T SAY HER NAME. (LAUGHS) UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE. THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR AUCKLAND RIGHT NOW, THE UNITARY PLAN, IS BASICALLY JUST A ZONING MAP. IT'S NOT ABOUT PEOPLE. IT'S ABOUT HOW WE GROW HOUSES QUICKLY. BUT WE NEED TO INCLUDE A PLAN THAT IS ABOUT PEOPLE. I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF THIS IN MY BOOK, AND I TALK ABOUT IT, AND I EVEN HAVE A MOVIE WHERE YOU CAN GO AND LOOK AT AND YOU CAN SEE HOW WE GROW AUCKLAND, BUT IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE. PLEASE, PEOPLE. IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE. KA PAI, JOHN PALINO. THANK YOU. WELL, WE'VE INVITED THREE AUCKLANDERS TO ASK OUR CANDIDATES ABOUT THE ISSUES FACING MAORI COMMUNITIES HERE. NOREIRA KIA TAHURI ATU TATOU INAIANEI KI TE PATAI TUATAHI. TENA KOUTOU. KO HURIMOANA DENNIS TAKU INGOA. KO AU TE TURU O TE MARAE A TE PUEA. ON THE 25TH OF MAY, OUR MARAE OPENED OUR DOORS TO THE HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING ACROSS AUCKLAND. WE HAVE RECEIVED OVER 181 WHANAU ` THAT'S 154 MAORI FAMILIES, 18 PACIFIC FAMILIES, 10 ETHNIC FAMILIES AND TWO PAKEHA WHANAU. UNFORTUNATELY, THE MAORI WERE DISPROPORTIONATE YET AGAIN. MY QUESTIONS TO POTENTIAL CANDIDATES ARE ` WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO RESOLVE THE LONG-STANDING ISSUE OF THE MAORI ROUGH SLEEPERS LIVING IN QUEEN STREET? TWO, HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH THE MANY MAORI FAMILIES WHO HAVE BEEN HOMELESS AND LIVING ACROSS THE AUCKLAND AREA, SLEEPING IN THEIR CARS OR IN PLACES THAT DON'T LOOK AND FEEL LIKE HOME? KO HE PATAI PAI ERA. TYRONE, LET'S START WITH YOU. WHAT CAN BE DONE FOR MAORI LIVING ROUGH AND SLEEPING ROUGH IN QUEEN STREET? WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC, UM` HISTORIC ISSUE, AND IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME, AND IT'S ONLY WORSENING. AND UNLESS WE PUT IN PLACE A PROPER PLAN THAT COLLABORATES SERVICES, THAT INTEGRATES PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AND THERE'S MORE OF A FOLLOW-UP TO ADDRESS` GREATER SOCIAL PROVIDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CAN I COME TO YOU, VIC? THE HOUSING CRISIS CREATES WIDER SOCIAL ISSUES, AS TYRONE WAS SAYING. RISING RENTS PUSH KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL ZONES. EDUCATION INSTABILITY HAS A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THOSE KIDS' FUTURE EARNINGS, SO HOW WILL YOU ENSURE THAT ALL AUCKLANDERS HAVE A CHANCE TO SUCCEED, FIRST? WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS IS THE NUMBER OF PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE STARTING TO HAPPEN ACROSS AUCKLAND, SO LIFEWISE ARE WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND COUNCIL TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS IN AUCKLAND. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY UNDERSTAND HOMELESSNESS IN A WAY THAT GOVERNMENTS AND COUNCILS JUST SIMPLY CAN'T. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THAT, SO IN THE EDUCATION SPACE, MANAIAKALANI IS DOING IT. THAT MODEL IS DOING FANTASTIC IN TERMS OF THE EAST TAMAKI CLUSTER OF SCHOOLS. AND, ACTUALLY, IN SOUTH AUCKLAND, IN ARA, WHICH IS ANOTHER PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN GOVERNMENT, COUNCIL, BUSINESS COMMUNITIES AND SOCIAL SERVICES THERE` BUT THEY` ...IS TRANSITIONING MORE PEOPLE INTO EMPLOYMENT TO GIVE THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEIR FUTURES. BUT RECENTLY THERE WAS A REPORT THAT LOW-DECILE SCHOOLS ARE NOT PRODUCING THE SAME AS HIGH-DECILE SCHOOLS, SO I GUESS THAT'S THE ISSUE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BUILD THE EARNING OPPORTUNITY OF THOSE CHILDREN` THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUCCESS OF MANAIAKALANI, WHERE THE DECILE-ONE SCHOOL PERFORMANCE HAS GONE FROM 26% PASS RATE IN NCEA TO 50 TO 70` MORE OF THOSE? WE NEED MORE OF THAT. AND SO WHY IS PORIRUA AND ROTORUA ROLLING THEM OUT? WHY AREN'T WE ROLLING THEM OUT IN AUCKLAND? CAN I COME`? IN SOUTH AUCKLAND RECENTLY WE'VE SEEN TWO TO THREE FAMILIES PER HOUSE. A THREE-BEDROOM PLACE CAN BE BRINGING IN ABOUT $1500 A WEEK FOR THE LANDLORD. WOULD YOU SUPPORT IMPOSING RENT RESTRICTIONS RULES? I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE SOCIAL HOUSING AND POSSIBLY ACTUALLY HAVE RENT CONTROLS, ABSOLUTELY. WOULD YOU SUPPORT RENT CONTROLS? WOULD I SUPPORT RENT CONTROLS? UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS, YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE. WELL, YOU KNOW, BACK IN NEW YORK WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH RENT CONTROLS, AND THAT'S ABOUT HAVING MAINLY THE ELDERLY PEOPLE, BECAUSE BACK THEN IT WAS REALLY THE ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT WERE STRUGGLING. HERE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE EVERYONE STRUGGLING BECAUSE THE HOUSE PRICES HAVE GONE AND SKYROCKETED. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE ACTUALLY PUT A MARK ON THAT RENT AND IT CAN'T MOVE UP AS QUICK AS NORMAL RENTS MOVE UP. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SUPPORT IF YOU BECAME MAYOR? YES, I WOULD. YES. OK. I'LL COME TO YOU, PHIL. WHAT'S ONE SPECIFIC TANGIBLE THING THAT YOU CAN DO TO MAKE SURE FAMILIES WOULD ONE DAY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A HOUSE? WELL, DON'T RESTRICT ME TO ONE. LET ME GIVE A COUPLE. YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE. (LAUGHS) FIRST, FOR THOSE THAT ARE HOMELESS, WHICH HURIMOANA WAS REFERRING TO, IT'S GOT TO BE HOUSING FIRST. YOU CAN'T SOLVE PEOPLE'S SOCIAL PROBLEMS WHEN THEY'RE LIVING ON THE STREETS. PUT THEM IN A HOUSE, PUT A WRAPAROUND SUPPORT SERVICE FOR THEM, AND THAT WILL TACKLE THE PROBLEMS THAT LED TO THEIR HOMELESSNESS. TWO, IT'S GOT TO BE ABOUT SOCIAL HOUSING ` STATE HOUSING. WE'VE GOT THE LOWEST LEVEL OF STATE HOUSING SINCE ANY TIME BEFORE MICHAEL JOSEPH SAVAGE, BURIED ON THE POINT DOWN THERE, DIED. WE NEED MORE SOCIAL AND AFFORDABLE HOMES. IN VANCOUVER IT'S IMPOSED A 15% TAX ON FOREIGNERS BUYING HOUSES. WOULD YOU SUPPORT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT? YES. IN FACT, WHAT I WOULD DO IS PUSH GOVERNMENT TO STOP FOREIGN INVESTMENT IN EXISTING HOUSES. DO WHAT THE AUSTRALIANS DO ` IF YOU'RE A FOREIGN INVESTOR AND YOU WANT TO INVEST IN HOUSING, BUILD A NEW HOUSE, ADD SOMETHING TO OUR COMMUNITY. DON'T JUST PUSH UP THE PRICES AS A SPECULATOR. AND I THINK JUST` SORRY ABOUT THIS. THAT'S OK. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON IS THAT THIS IS OUR HOME, NOT SOMEONE'S HOME AWAY FROM HOME. KA PAI. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE OF THIS LAND AND OF THIS WHENUA. KIA ORA, TYRONE. AND THEY COME FIRST. I'VE GOT A QUICK-FIRE QUESTION, AND ANYONE CAN ANSWER THIS. TAKAPARAWHAU OR BASTION POINT IS ALSO KNOWN AS BOOT HILL. WHY? VIC: OH. IT'S NEW TO ME. PRECIOUS, CAN YOU FILL US IN? WHY IS THIS PLACE CALLED BOOT HILL? YEAH, SURE. BECAUSE IN 1951 OUR PEOPLE WERE BOOTED UP THE HILL AND OUR PAPA KAINGA DOWN THE BOTTOM AT OKAHU BAY WAS BURNT DOWN, AND THAT WAS IN THE TIME OF MY UNCLE, GRANT. KIA ORA. AND I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHAT IS THE MAORI HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE IN TAMAKI MAKAURAU AT PRESENT? STAB IN THE DARK. I THOUGHT IT WAS AROUND` ABOUT` ...10%, 15%? YEAH, I WOULD SAY` 12%? I'D SAY ABOUT` 34. OH, THERE YOU GO. KA PAI. KIA MAU TONU MAI RA, WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE FROM OUR MAYORAL HOPEFULS AFTER THE BREAK. APPLAUSE HOKI MAI ANO. YOU'RE WATCHING THE HUI'S SPECIAL TAMAKI MAKAURAU MAYORAL DEBATE BROADCASTING FROM ORAKEI MARAE. TIME NOW FOR OUR SECOND PATAI FROM THE PEOPLE. KIA TITIRO AKE TATOU. KIA ORA, E TE WHANAU. UH, KO ANTHONY HAWKE AHAU. I AM THE MANAGER OF THE PREVENTING GAMBLING HARM CONTRACT HERE AT HAPAI TE HAUORA IN TAMAKI MAKAURAU. ACROSS THE REGION, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF GAMBLING-RELATED HARM, UM, AFFECTING OUR WHANAU. FOR INSTANCE, IN MANUREWA, POKIES ARE STRIPPING $1 MILLION A MONTH, UH, FROM THE ECONOMY. SO MY QUESTION TO CANDIDATES IS ` WITH A GROWING COMMUNITY CONCERN AROUND HOMELESSNESS AND POVERTY, HOW CAN THE COUNCIL BE USING THEIR POLICIES TO ADDRESS THE SOCIAL HARM THAT GAMBLING IS CREATING ON OUR COMMUNITY? KIA ORA, ANTHONY. WELL, PHIL, NEXT YEAR THE COUNCIL WILL GET TO LOOK AT RELOCATING POKIE MACHINES PARNELL HAS JUST 36, WHILE MANUREWA HAS 165. THE POWER WILL BE IN YOUR HANDS SHOULD YOU BECOME MAYOR. WOULD YOU SHIFT, SAY, 50 OUT OF MANUREWA AND THROW THEM INTO PARNELL? I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE POLICY OF A SINKING LID ON` ON POKIE MACHINE OUTLETS. UH, I HAVE ONE IN MY OWN ELECTORATE. I GO DOWN THERE. I SEE PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY FOCUSED ON THAT MACHINE AND SPENDING THEIR MONEY. I HATE POKIE MACHINES. THE MORE THAT WE CAN LOWER THOSE NUMBERS, THE BETTER. IT'S ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT THE CHARITY COMING FROM THEM, BUT WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ADDICTED TO USING THOSE MACHINES? I WOULD LOWER THE TOTAL. TYRONE, IT'S` IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE, THOUGH, ISN'T IT, COS WE DO HAVE A SINKING-LID, UM, POLICY AT THE MOMENT, BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE SINKING VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT'S A` THAT'S A RESPONSIBILITY THAT COUNCIL NEED TO STEP UP TO, AND THE` THE SINK` SINKING-LID POLICY NEEDS TO BE MORE ROBUST, UM, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITIES THAT THIS IS AFFECTING. MM. UM, VIC, I'M GONNA COME TO YOU, COS I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE GAMING TRUSTS, AND I LOOKED INTO THE TRILLIAN TRUST. UH, MOST OF THE MACHINES ARE IN EAST AND SOUTH AUCKLAND. THIS YEAR THE LARGEST GRANT HANDED OUT WAS TO THE ROYAL NZ YACHT SQUADRON DOWN ON THE MARINA. SO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS OUR MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES ARE SUPPORTING, YOU KNOW, SPORTS THAT ENJOY THE MILLION-DOLLAR VIEW. HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THIS A FAIRER SYSTEM? WELL` WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE FUNDING IS GOING ACROSS` ACTUALLY, IT'S VERY DISPERSED ACROSS A WIDE RANGE OF THINGS, SO YOU'VE GOTTA SAY ` HOW EFFECTIVE IS THAT? ABSOLUTELY I SUPPORT A SINKING-LID POLICY, AND THIS IS WHERE I THINK COUNCIL CAN REALLY STEP UP AND WORK WITH COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL BOARDS. THEY FAILED TO DO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE LOCAL ALCOHOL POLICY. WE WERE ACTUALLY HAVING SOME SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS. SO HOW DO YOU GET COUNCIL WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES, WHO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A WAY THAT COUNCIL DON'T? AND THE SECOND ONE I'M REALLY INTERESTED` I SEE MANY PARALLELS NOT JUST WITH THE ALCOHOL POLICY BUT ACTUALLY ALSO THE FAST FOOD. SO CHRISTCHURCH COUNCIL HAVE GOT, UH, SOME TRIALS UNDERWAY IN TERMS OF THE CHANGING` THE FAST-FOOD OUTLETS AS WELL. I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN FROM ALL OF THAT, BUT WE ACTUALLY NEED ACTION. COUNCIL HAVE GOTTA STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WORK WITH COMMUNITIES TO DELIVER THE RIGHT OUTCOME FOR COMMUNITIES. I'M GONNA COME TO YOU, JOHN. ANTHONY WAS ASKING ` HOW DO WE REDUCE THE HARM FROM THESE GAMING MACHINES? HOW DO WE REDUCE THE HARM? REDUCE THE HARM FROM THEM. YOU` YOU'RE CLOSE TO MANUREWA AND TAKANINI THERE. YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, I TALK ABOUT SAFETY ALL THE TIME, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR SHOULD BE INVOLVED WITH` WITH OUR` OUR SECURITY AND SAFETY IN AUCKLAND. I TALKED ABOUT ACTUALLY, UH, CREATING A TASK FORCE OF, UH, DETECTIVES, WHICH ARE MOST LIKELY, UH, EITHER RETIRED POLICE OFFICERS OR POLICE OFFICERS THAT NO LONGER WANNA WORK FOR THE POLICE OFFICE AND WORK FOR US, AND, UH, WORK WITH THE COMMUNITIES AND, UH` AND, UH, TRY AND REDUCE CRIME, TRY AND ALSO, UH, FIND THE CRIMINALS SO THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM AND` AND` AND ALSO FUND THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES. DO YOU SUPPORT GETTING RID OF POKIES, THOUGH? I DO SUPPORT GETTING RID OF POKIES. THEY'RE A HUGE PROBLEM. HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? WELL, IT'S A` IT'S A DIFFICULT TASK. UH, WE HAVE TO PUT A SINKING-LID POLICY ON IT, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT` WE HAVE ONE. I KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT MOVING AROUND AS WELL. WE NEED TO RESTRICT THEM. UM, IT'S A VERY HARD` A DIFFICULT SITUATION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE` MAY HAVE BOUGHT THEM AND SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON` ON` ON OPENING UP THEIR BUSINESS, SO IT'S HARD TO JUST CLOSE THEM UP, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO PUT THE PRESSURE UP, AND WE NEED TO GO AFTER THEM AND TRY AND REDUCE IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO POWER UP COMMUNITIES. THERE'S SOME VERY STRONG LOBBYING GOING ON AROUND THE ALCOHOL POLICY AND AROUND GAMBLING, AND WE DO NEED TO POWER UP COMMUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO STAND STRONG AND STAND AGAINST THAT. I'M JUST GOING` ONE QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE LEAVE. OFTEN IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE` UH, TO CHOOSE MAORI EDUCATION FOR YOUR CHILDREN, IT REQUIRES LOTS OF DRIVING ACROSS TOWN. MANY WHANAU HERE WOULD BE DOING THAT. YOU SUPPORT A ROAD TAX. WOULD TE REO MAORI FAMILIES BE GIVEN A TAX-FREE CASE? I DON'T THINK YOU'D CREATE EXEMPTIONS, UH, FOR IT, BUT YOU MIGHT DECIDE THAT YOU WOULD FUND BETTER THE PROGRAMMES TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO RETAIN TE REO, UH, AND I'D PREFER APPROACH. HOW? AS SOON AS YOU START MAKING EXEMPTIONS FOR ANY TAX, YOU UNDERMINE THE PURPOSE OF THE TAX. UH, I` I THINK` I THINK IT'S ABOUT A MUCH WIDER ISSUE, ACTUALLY. I THINK IT'S ABOUT HOW WE HAVE INCOME TRANSFERS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY STRUGGLING ` PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO ARE PAYING 60% OF THEIR INCOME EACH WEEK JUST ON THEIR RENT, AND THEN THEY'VE GOTTA MET THE COSTS OF THEIR FAMILY ON TOP OF THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SUPPORT A LIVING WAGE FOR ALL PEOPLE. BUT THE TREASURY REPORT SHOWS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO HIT HARDEST BY A CONGESTION TAX LIVE IN SOUTH AUCKLAND, SO` AND` AND THE MONEY THAT'S BEING TAKEN FROM THEM IS GOING TO BE SPENT IN LIGHT RAIL IN THE CITY, SO THERE IS NO` NO CORRELATION BETWEEN WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM ` IT'S COMING FROM THE POOREST PARTS OF AUCKLAND ` TO FUND CENTRAL INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY WRONG. AT THE MOMENT, YOU'VE GOT THE WORST OF ALL POSSIBLE WORLDS WHERE PEOPLE ARE PAYING RATES THAT AREN'T USING TRANSPORT IN` IN PEAK HOURS, SO WITH A FLAT RATE ON THE INTERIM TRANSPORT LEVY, MY 95-YEAR-OLD FATHER IS PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT AS I AM FOR TRANSPORT OUT OF HIS RATES, EVEN THOUGH I USE IT ALL THE TIME AND HE NEVER USES IT. WE'RE GONNA WRAP UP, BUT I'M JUST GONNA MAKE AN INTERESTING POINT. IT'S A REPEAT OF THE POKIES WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TRANSPORT ` THE MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES ARE LOSING IN IT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. UH, QUICK-FIRE QUESTION TO END ` NAME THREE MANU WHENUA IN TAMAKI. THREE MANA WHENUA, SORRY...? IWI. IWI. UH, NGATI TAI, NGATI PAOA, UH, NGATI WHATUA. APPLAUSE HOMAI TE PAKIPAKI. NGAI TAI. NGAI TAI. NGAI TAI. NGAI TAI, SORRY. WELL, IT'S STARTING TO HEAT UP HERE ON BOOT HILL. WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE FROM OUR AUCKLAND MAYORAL DEBATE AFTER THE BREAK. KO TE HUI TENEI, TE TAUPATUPATU NEI, AND, OF COURSE, WE'RE JOINED TODAY BY FOUR AUCKLAND MAYORAL HOPEFULS: TYRONE RAUMATI, JOHN PALINO, VIC CRONE AND PHIL GOFF. TIME NOW FOR OUR THIRD AND FINAL PATAI FROM THE PEOPLE. LET'S TAKE A LOOK. KIA ORA. I AM PANIA NEWTON. I AM ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF S.O.U.L., SAVE OUR UNIQUE LANDSCAPE. WE ARE A GROUP MADE UP OF MANA WHENUA AND CONCERNED MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. WHO ARE WORKING TO OPPOSE THE DEVELOPMENT HERE IN IHUMATAO BECAUSE OF ITS RICH, CULTURAL HISTORY. SO, CANDIDATES, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THE LAND ALLOCATED FOR S.H.A. 62 AT IHUMATAO IN WHICH FLETCHERS RESIDENTIAL PLAN TO DEVELOP 480 HOUSES, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO PRESERVE THIS UNIQUE PART OF OTUATAUA STONEFIELDS HISTORIC RESERVE FROM INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT? TYRONE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO PRESERVE THIS UNIQUE LANDSCAPE? WELL, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PEOPLE THERE AREN'T HAPPY WITH THIS SITUATION AND SO WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER IS IN OUR POWER TO PRESERVE THE TAONGA OF OUR MANA WHENUA THERE. SO DON'T BUILD 480 HOMES NEXT DOOR? I FEEL THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE FRAMEWORK THAT THE UNITARY PLAN HAS AND ALSO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PLAN THAT ACTUALLY ENGAGES IWI PROPERLY, UTILISING THE RESOURCES BY ENABLING THEIR POWER AS IWI AND MANA WHENUA TO ADDRESS IT PROPERLY. JOHN, ARE YOU IN FAVOUR OF THIS SPECIAL HOUSING AREA AT IHUMATAO? NO. I'M ACTUALLY SHOCKED THAT IT'S GONE THIS FAR, AND IF YOU LOOK AT MY PLANS, MY PLANS ARE ALL ABOUT BUILDING C.B.D. AREAS, NOT INFILLING, NOT INFILLING THE SUBURBS, INTENSIFYING SUBURBS OR EVEN GOING WAY OUT WEST OR WAY OUT EAST. IT'S ABOUT BUILDING UP ALBANY, HENDERSON, MANUKAU AND A SATELLITE CITY. NOT BUILDING IN THE OTHER AREAS. YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOUR OF BUILDING OUT WIDER, SO WOULD YOU BE IN FAVOUR OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THIS S.H.A. HERE? NO. AND, ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU UNPICK THIS, THE COUNCILLORS WERE GIVEN THE WRONG INFORMATION AND MADE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS BASED ON THE WRONG INFORMATION. I ACTUALLY THINK WE NEED AN ORGANISATION THAT ADMITS WHEN IT MAKES THOSE MISTAKES. WE NEED TO STAND UP AND SAY, 'ACTUALLY, WE GOT IT WRONG,' AND WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY... IF YOU BECOME MAYOR, WILL YOU UNDO THIS? YES. I WILL WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE COUNCIL HAS MADE A MISTAKE. WHAT ABOUT YOU, PHIL? YEAH. THIS WAS AN AREA WHERE IWI HAVE LIVED FOR 800 YEARS. RATHER THAN CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE WAIMAHIA, WHICH COULD HAVE PROVIDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE LOCAL IWI, PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. CAN YOU UNDO IT? I'VE RAISED QUESTIONS. I'VE TALKED TO S.O.U.L. ABOUT IT. I'VE TALKED TO THE PEOPLE IN THE MANUKAU CITY COUNCIL WHO USED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, AND THEY TOOK IT TO COURT AND WERE DEFEATED BY THE PRIVATE OWNERS, THE WALLACE FAMILY. IT'S NOW BEFORE THE ENVIRONMENT COURT. THE REAL QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU CAN UNDO IT. WHAT I'D TRY TO DO IS WORK WITH FLETCHERS TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND ALTERNATIVES SO THAT WE COULD PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA WITHOUT LOSING IT. JOHN, DOES AUCKLAND DO A GOOD JOB PROTECTING SIGNIFICANT SITES? UH, GENERALLY, NO. THEY DON'T. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WOULD YOU BRING BACK THE SIGNIFICANT SITES INTO THE UNITARY PLAN? YEAH. I ACTUALLY HAD THAT IN MY BOOK. AND THE REASON WHY I HAD IT IN MY BOOK ABOUT ACTUALLY CREATING SOME REGULATIONS OVER IT, IS SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE IT. YOU KNOW, IT HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT OUT OF HAND. IT WENT A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR AND BECAUSE IT WENT TOO FAR, WE ACTUALLY LOST IT, UNFORTUNATELY. I THINK WHAT YOU HAD IN YOUR BOOK THAT YOU'D GET RID OF ALL THE CONSULTATION, YOU CALLED IT. NO. NO, WHAT I SAID WAS WE HAVE TO PUT SOME REGULATION OVER IT. THAT'S WHAT'S IN MY BOOK. HOW WOULD YOU REGULATE IT? WELL, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE TO PUT TIME FRAMES ON HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR IWI TO CONSULT BECAUSE IT'S HOLDING DEVELOPERS UP OR EVEN JUST HOMEOWNERS. AND WE HAVE TO PUT A PRICE STRUCTURE` GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE WHERE MANA WHENUA HAVE HELD UP A DEVELOPMENT OF A PRIVATE PROPERTY. WELL, I HAD INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME TO ME AND SAID, 'LOOK, THERE'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT 'OF COMPLAINT LETTERS THAT WENT TO COUNCIL,' AND THAT'S WHY COUNCIL GOT RID OF IT. THEY VOTED COMPLETELY AGAINST IT. SO, JUST ONE EXAMPLE. WELL, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT PEOPLE TELL ME IS THAT IT TOOK THEM A LONG TIME TO ACTUALLY GET SOMEONE TO SHOW UP. NOW, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIMING. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HAVING SOME RESTRICTIONS ON, 'LOOK, YOU HAVE TO SHOW UP IN 30 DAYS.' LET'S JUMP IN, TYRONE. I KINDA NEED TO JUMP IN HERE BECAUSE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE AREAS ARE LAYERS OF HERITAGE BY MANA WHENUA. THEY ARE LAYERS OF HERITAGE THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT BEING ACKNOWLEDGE FOR WHAT THEY ARE. AND SO, FOR ME, I FEEL THAT THERE'S AN IMPORTANT NEED THAT NEEDS TO BE PLACED ON IT, BUT, ALSO, WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY THE MANA OF MANA WHENUA BY REGULATING IT. THAT'S THEIR ROLE AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH IWI. SO WHAT IS THE BALANCE, VIC? DEVELOPMENT, OBVIOUSLY, AND PROTECTING SIGNIFICANT SITES. YEAH. I THINK IN THE UNITARY PLAN WHERE THE INDEPENDENT HEARINGS PANEL GOT TO WAS PERHAPS THE BALANCE WAS A LITTLE OUT OF KILTER AND THEY BROUGHT IT BACK A BIT. FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT SITTING DOWN, IF I AM PRIVILEGED ENOUGH TO BE MAYOR, AND WORKING OUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD. I THINK YOU DO NEED A BALANCE BETWEEN PROTECTING OUR HERITAGE BUT ALSO WE'RE IN THIS SITUATION IN TERMS OF THE HOUSE PRICES IN AUCKLAND, THE INCREASED HOMELESSNESS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOMES. NOW, I THINK EVERYBODY IS MOTIVATED TO BUILD HOMES IN AUCKLAND, AND THAT'S WHERE` WHERE WOULD YOU BUILD THEM COS YOU SAY RELEASE MORE LAND FASTER? WHOSE LAND? THERE IS LAND... SO, IF YOU LOOK IN, UM, WAITAKERE CITY COUNCIL, AROUND THERE, THERE IS LAND AROUND THERE THAT IS NOT BEING UTILISED AND COULD BE TURNED INTO INTEGRATED RETAIL LIVING APARTMENTS RIGHT NEXT TO A RAIL STATION. THAT'S THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT. NOT DEVELOPMENT ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF AUCKLAND, NEAR PROTECTED AREAS. IT'S ACTUALLY THAT OR THE` WHAT ABOUT THE REMUERA GOLF COURSE? WHAT ABOUT THE REMUERA GOLF COURSE CURRENTLY SUBSIDISED BY THE TAXPAYER BY $11,000` THAT CAN'T GO. WE NEED PARKS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT IT'S NOT A PARK. IT'S A GOLF COURSE THAT IS SUBSIDISED FOR A FEW PEOPLE AT $11,000 PER` IT CAN'T GO. YEAH. IT CAN'T GO. LET'S GET IT RIGHT. WE SUBSIDISE EVERY MEMBER OF THE REMUERA GOLF CLUB BY $12,000 A YEAR. IT IS NOT A PARK. A PARK IS A PLACE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO. YOU CAN ONLY GET ACCESS TO THE REMUERA GOLF COURSE IF YOU'RE A $12,000 A YEAR SUBSIDISED MEMBER OF THAT COURSE. BUT I'VE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS. DO YOU KNOW THAT LEGALLY THEY'VE TIED THAT LEASE UP TILL 2091? THEY HAD A LAWYER THAT THE COUNCIL DIDN'T EVEN SEE COMING. BUT WOULD YOU PREVENT MORE OF THESE, KIND OF, PEPPERCORN LEASES? WELL, I-I-I DON'T BELIEVE IN SUBSIDISING PEOPLE FROM THE RATEPAYERS' MONEY FOR THAT PURPOSE. LOOK, I'M ALL IN FAVOUR OF PUBLIC OPEN SPACES. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE MORE OF IT, BUT IT HAS TO BE PUBLIC. YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED MAORI SEATS IN THE PAST. YOU SUPPORT THEM? YEAH. I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT I THOUGHT THAT HAVING DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED MEMBERS REPRESENTING THE MAORI COMMUNITY WAS BETTER THAN HAVING APPOINTED MEMBERS BECAUSE THE NATURE OF A COUNCIL IS THAT PEOPLE ARE ELECTED DEMOCRATICALLY TO IT. AND, JOHN, YOU'VE DONE A U-TURN ON THIS, TOO. YOU NOW SUPPORT THEM? NO, I ALWAYS SUPPORTED THEM BUT I JUST FELT THAT THEY SHOULD BE VOTED IN. IT SHOULD BE DEMOCRATIC. THAT'S THE THING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAORI WARDS, THEN? DO YOU SUPPORT THE MAORI WARDS? SO YOU WOULD REDUCE THE SEATS BY THREE? HOW MANY COUNCIL SEATS WOULD YOU TURN INTO MAORI SEATS? HOW MANY WOULD I TURN INTO MAORI SEATS? SORRY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT SO I JUST CAN'T THROW IT OUT ON THE CUFF RIGHT NOW, BUT I SUPPORT IT. I BELIEVE THAT MAORI AND THE CULTURE SHOULD BE ENHANCED HERE IN AUCKLAND. IN 21 YEARS, I'VE SEEN IT DIMINISH. I'VE SEEN IT GO AWAY. CAN I GO TO YOU QUICKLY, VIC, BECAUSE ON THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER, IF YOU ARE THE MAYOR OF THE COUNCIL, YOU COULD CONDUCT A FORMAL POLL ON THE SEATS. WOULD YOU? SO, NO. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. I DON'T BELIEVE IN QUOTA SYSTEMS. WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT PROGRESS WE'VE MADE IN TERMS OF A MORE DIVERSE, AND I CALL IT SENIOR DECISION-MAKING, IT HASN'T WORKED AT ALL. IT DOESN'T WORK. SO WHAT I WOULD DO... WE NEED MORE REPRESENTATION IN TERMS OF YOUNGER PEOPLE AND ETHNIC CULTURES AS COUNCILLORS, AND, ALSO, THE SECOND THING IS THE DECISION-MAKING POWER IS PREDOMINANTLY WHITE, MALE AND OLD. AND WE NEED TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT LEVEL AS WELL. I THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL ALL AGREE WITH YOU. WE'VE RUN OUT OF TIME, SO A BIG MIHI TO OUR KAITONO FOR JOINING US TODAY. WE WISH YOU AND ALL THE OTHER AUCKLAND MAYORAL CANDIDATES THE BEST OF LUCK. KA NUI TE MIHI KI A NGATI WHATUA KI ORAKEI HOKI. THANKS FOR WATCHING, HUI HOPPERS. AND DON'T FORGET TO VOTE AT YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ELECTIONS. 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