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Amen. 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Mr benefits for families with children. Mr Speaker, benefits for families with children. Mr Speaker, this benefits for families with children. Mr Speaker, this Government benefits for families with children. 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Mr Speaker, there income growth rates in the last eight years. Mr Speaker, there is eight years. Mr Speaker, there is the eight years. Mr Speaker, there is the very eight years. Mr Speaker, there is the very reason eight years. Mr Speaker, there is the very reason why eight years. Mr Speaker, there is the very reason why the eight years. Mr Speaker, there is the very reason why the Government the very reason why the Government did the very reason why the Government did things the very reason why the Government did things like the very reason why the Government did things like not the very reason why the Government did things like not only the very reason why the Government did things like not only support did things like not only support working did things like not only support working for did things like not only support working for families did things like not only support working for families in did things like not only support working for families in the did things like not only support working for families in the most working for families in the most difficult working for families in the most difficult times working for families in the most difficult times but working for families in the most difficult times but actually working for families in the most difficult times but actually extend difficult times but actually extend it. difficult times but actually extend it. 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It is why we have grow GP visits and why we were the first Government and why we were the first Government in and why we were the first Government in 43 and why we were the first Government in 43 years and why we were the first Government in 43 years to and why we were the first Government in 43 years to raise and why we were the first Government in 43 years to raise benefits. in 43 years to raise benefits. Order! in 43 years to raise benefits. Order! Supplementary in 43 years to raise benefits. Order! Supplementary question, Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. What Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. What does Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. What does he Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. What does he say Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. What does he say to Andrew Little. What does he say to Obony Andrew Little. What does he say to Obony Andrews Andrew Little. What does he say to Obony Andrews of Andrew Little. What does he say to Obony Andrews of Auckland Andrew Little. What does he say to Obony Andrews of Auckland who Obony Andrews of Auckland who despite Obony Andrews of Auckland who despite stringent Obony Andrews of Auckland who despite stringent budgeting Obony Andrews of Auckland who despite stringent budgeting and despite stringent budgeting and working despite stringent budgeting and working as despite stringent budgeting and working as a despite stringent budgeting and working as a support despite stringent budgeting and working as a support teacher despite stringent budgeting and working as a support teacher is working as a support teacher is forced working as a support teacher is forced to working as a support teacher is forced to rely working as a support teacher is forced to rely on working as a support teacher is forced to rely on charity working as a support teacher is forced to rely on charity for working as a support teacher is forced to rely on charity for basics forced to rely on charity for basics like forced to rely on charity for basics like food, forced to rely on charity for basics like food, clothing forced to rely on charity for basics like food, clothing and forced to rely on charity for basics like food, clothing and shoes forced to rely on charity for basics like food, clothing and shoes for like food, clothing and shoes for her like food, clothing and shoes for her children? like food, clothing and shoes for her children? 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Mr house to live in, good clothes to wear and food to eat? Mr Speaker, wear and food to eat? Mr Speaker, actually wear and food to eat? Mr Speaker, actually this wear and food to eat? Mr Speaker, actually this Government wear and food to eat? Mr Speaker, actually this Government has wear and food to eat? Mr Speaker, actually this Government has been actually this Government has been more actually this Government has been more focussed actually this Government has been more focussed than actually this Government has been more focussed than probably actually this Government has been more focussed than probably any more focussed than probably any other more focussed than probably any other Government more focussed than probably any other Government on more focussed than probably any other Government on making more focussed than probably any other Government on making sure more focussed than probably any other Government on making sure that other Government on making sure that youngsters other Government on making sure that youngsters are other Government on making sure that youngsters are in other Government on making sure that youngsters are in a other Government on making sure that youngsters are in a warm other Government on making sure that youngsters are in a warm house. other Government on making sure that youngsters are in a warm house. 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That is why this Government increased benefits Government did. That is why this Government increased benefits for Government increased benefits for the Government increased benefits for the first Government increased benefits for the first time Government increased benefits for the first time in Government increased benefits for the first time in 43 Government increased benefits for the first time in 43 years. Government increased benefits for the first time in 43 years. That Government increased benefits for the first time in 43 years. That is the first time in 43 years. That is why the first time in 43 years. That is why this the first time in 43 years. That is why this Government's the first time in 43 years. That is why this Government's been the first time in 43 years. That is why this Government's been part the first time in 43 years. That is why this Government's been part of the first time in 43 years. 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I measure his Government's performance on child poverty. I know measure his Government's performance on child poverty. I know the on child poverty. I know the member's on child poverty. I know the member's running on child poverty. I know the member's running out on child poverty. I know the member's running out of on child poverty. I know the member's running out of staff on child poverty. I know the member's running out of staff at on child poverty. I know the member's running out of staff at a member's running out of staff at a great member's running out of staff at a great rate member's running out of staff at a great rate of member's running out of staff at a great rate of knots member's running out of staff at a great rate of knots but member's running out of staff at a great rate of knots but he member's running out of staff at a great rate of knots but he needs member's running out of staff at a great rate of knots but he needs to great rate of knots but he needs to get great rate of knots but he needs to get some great rate of knots but he needs to get some new great rate of knots but he needs to get some new and great rate of knots but he needs to get some new and better great rate of knots but he needs to get some new and better lines great rate of knots but he needs to get some new and better lines and get some new and better lines and stop get some new and better lines and stop proving get some new and better lines and stop proving to get some new and better lines and stop proving to the get some new and better lines and stop proving to the country get some new and better lines and stop proving to the country that get some new and better lines and stop proving to the country that he stop proving to the country that he is stop proving to the country that he is angry stop proving to the country that he is angry Andrew stop proving to the country that he is angry Andrew with stop proving to the country that he is angry Andrew with no stop proving to the country that he is angry Andrew with no solutions. 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Government has been doing to address the problem of home lesserness. For the problem of home lesserness. For example the problem of home lesserness. For example the the problem of home lesserness. For example the first the problem of home lesserness. For example the first recommendation the problem of home lesserness. For example the first recommendation of example the first recommendation of the example the first recommendation of the group example the first recommendation of the group was example the first recommendation of the group was to example the first recommendation of the group was to roll example the first recommendation of the group was to roll out example the first recommendation of the group was to roll out Housing the group was to roll out Housing First the group was to roll out Housing First as the group was to roll out Housing First as a the group was to roll out Housing First as a primary the group was to roll out Housing First as a primary response the group was to roll out Housing First as a primary response to First as a primary response to chronic First as a primary response to chronic homelessness First as a primary response to chronic homelessness and First as a primary response to chronic homelessness and I First as a primary response to chronic homelessness and I announced chronic homelessness and I announced that chronic homelessness and I announced that roll chronic homelessness and I announced that roll out chronic homelessness and I announced that roll out to chronic homelessness and I announced that roll out to three chronic homelessness and I announced that roll out to three locations chronic homelessness and I announced that roll out to three locations in that roll out to three locations in Auckland that roll out to three locations in Auckland in that roll out to three locations in Auckland in July that roll out to three locations in Auckland in July three that roll out to three locations in Auckland in July three months that roll out to three locations in Auckland in July three months before Auckland in July three months before the Auckland in July three months before the cross Auckland in July three months before the cross party Auckland in July three months before the cross party group Auckland in July three months before the cross party group got Auckland in July three months before the cross party group got kicked the cross party group got kicked out. the cross party group got kicked out. The the cross party group got kicked out. The Government the cross party group got kicked out. The Government has the cross party group got kicked out. The Government has been the cross party group got kicked out. The Government has been working out. The Government has been working to out. The Government has been working to fund out. The Government has been working to fund and out. The Government has been working to fund and source out. The Government has been working to fund and source more out. The Government has been working to fund and source more emergency to fund and source more emergency housing to fund and source more emergency housing places, to fund and source more emergency housing places, secure to fund and source more emergency housing places, secure new housing places, secure new short-term housing places, secure new short-term housing housing places, secure new short-term housing options housing places, secure new short-term housing options and housing places, secure new short-term housing options and help short-term housing options and help people short-term housing options and help people to short-term housing options and help people to find short-term housing options and help people to find the short-term housing options and help people to find the suitable people to find the suitable long-term, people to find the suitable long-term, permanent people to find the suitable long-term, permanent options. long-term, permanent options. 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So in total from both KiwiSaver and total from both KiwiSaver and HomeStart, total from both KiwiSaver and HomeStart, over total from both KiwiSaver and HomeStart, over $550 total from both KiwiSaver and HomeStart, over $550 million total from both KiwiSaver and HomeStart, over $550 million has HomeStart, over $550 million has gone HomeStart, over $550 million has gone towards HomeStart, over $550 million has gone towards home HomeStart, over $550 million has gone towards home deposits HomeStart, over $550 million has gone towards home deposits in HomeStart, over $550 million has gone towards home deposits in the gone towards home deposits in the last gone towards home deposits in the last year. gone towards home deposits in the last year. What gone towards home deposits in the last year. What changes gone towards home deposits in the last year. What changes has gone towards home deposits in the last year. What changes has the last year. What changes has the Government last year. What changes has the Government made last year. What changes has the Government made that last year. What changes has the Government made that has last year. What changes has the Government made that has enabled Government made that has enabled more Government made that has enabled more New Government made that has enabled more New Zealanders Government made that has enabled more New Zealanders to Government made that has enabled more New Zealanders to get Government made that has enabled more New Zealanders to get support more New Zealanders to get support in more New Zealanders to get support in buying more New Zealanders to get support in buying a more New Zealanders to get support in buying a first more New Zealanders to get support in buying a first home? more New Zealanders to get support in buying a first home? We more New Zealanders to get support in buying a first home? We have more New Zealanders to get support in buying a first home? We have made in buying a first home? We have made four in buying a first home? We have made four changes. in buying a first home? We have made four changes. Firstly, in buying a first home? We have made four changes. Firstly, we in buying a first home? We have made four changes. Firstly, we enable four changes. Firstly, we enable people four changes. Firstly, we enable people to four changes. Firstly, we enable people to be four changes. Firstly, we enable people to be able four changes. Firstly, we enable people to be able to four changes. Firstly, we enable people to be able to access four changes. Firstly, we enable people to be able to access more four changes. Firstly, we enable people to be able to access more of people to be able to access more of their people to be able to access more of their KiwiSaver people to be able to access more of their KiwiSaver funds people to be able to access more of their KiwiSaver funds to people to be able to access more of their KiwiSaver funds to buy people to be able to access more of their KiwiSaver funds to buy a people to be able to access more of their KiwiSaver funds to buy a first their KiwiSaver funds to buy a first home. their KiwiSaver funds to buy a first home. Secondly their KiwiSaver funds to buy a first home. Secondly - their KiwiSaver funds to buy a first home. Secondly - we their KiwiSaver funds to buy a first home. Secondly - we increased their KiwiSaver funds to buy a first home. Secondly - we increased the home. Secondly - we increased the income home. Secondly - we increased the income and home. Secondly - we increased the income and house home. Secondly - we increased the income and house price home. Secondly - we increased the income and house price caps home. Secondly - we increased the income and house price caps to home. Secondly - we increased the income and house price caps to a income and house price caps to a more income and house price caps to a more realistic income and house price caps to a more realistic level income and house price caps to a more realistic level to income and house price caps to a more realistic level to improve more realistic level to improve access. more realistic level to improve access. Thirdly more realistic level to improve access. Thirdly - more realistic level to improve access. Thirdly - we more realistic level to improve access. Thirdly - we provided more realistic level to improve access. Thirdly - we provided double access. Thirdly - we provided double the access. Thirdly - we provided double the HomeStart access. Thirdly - we provided double the HomeStart grants access. Thirdly - we provided double the HomeStart grants for access. Thirdly - we provided double the HomeStart grants for new access. Thirdly - we provided double the HomeStart grants for new builds the HomeStart grants for new builds as the HomeStart grants for new builds as compared the HomeStart grants for new builds as compared to the HomeStart grants for new builds as compared to existing the HomeStart grants for new builds as compared to existing homing the HomeStart grants for new builds as compared to existing homing and as compared to existing homing and provided as compared to existing homing and provided for as compared to existing homing and provided for higher as compared to existing homing and provided for higher caps. as compared to existing homing and provided for higher caps. And, provided for higher caps. And, fourthly, provided for higher caps. And, fourthly, we provided for higher caps. And, fourthly, we changed provided for higher caps. And, fourthly, we changed the provided for higher caps. And, fourthly, we changed the rules provided for higher caps. And, fourthly, we changed the rules to fourthly, we changed the rules to make fourthly, we changed the rules to make the fourthly, we changed the rules to make the scheme fourthly, we changed the rules to make the scheme more fourthly, we changed the rules to make the scheme more accessible fourthly, we changed the rules to make the scheme more accessible for make the scheme more accessible for people make the scheme more accessible for people buying make the scheme more accessible for people buying townhouses make the scheme more accessible for people buying townhouses and people buying townhouses and apartments. people buying townhouses and apartments. All people buying townhouses and apartments. All these people buying townhouses and apartments. All these changes people buying townhouses and apartments. All these changes have apartments. All these changes have proved apartments. All these changes have proved successful apartments. All these changes have proved successful as apartments. All these changes have proved successful as seen apartments. All these changes have proved successful as seen by apartments. All these changes have proved successful as seen by the proved successful as seen by the more proved successful as seen by the more than proved successful as seen by the more than doubling proved successful as seen by the more than doubling of proved successful as seen by the more than doubling of the proved successful as seen by the more than doubling of the number proved successful as seen by the more than doubling of the number of more than doubling of the number of people more than doubling of the number of people using more than doubling of the number of people using those more than doubling of the number of people using those schemes. more than doubling of the number of people using those schemes. When more than doubling of the number of people using those schemes. When the people using those schemes. When the average people using those schemes. When the average renter people using those schemes. When the average renter in people using those schemes. When the average renter in Auckland people using those schemes. When the average renter in Auckland is average renter in Auckland is $160,000 average renter in Auckland is $160,000 short average renter in Auckland is $160,000 short of average renter in Auckland is $160,000 short of the average renter in Auckland is $160,000 short of the deposit average renter in Auckland is $160,000 short of the deposit they $160,000 short of the deposit they need $160,000 short of the deposit they need for $160,000 short of the deposit they need for the $160,000 short of the deposit they need for the average $160,000 short of the deposit they need for the average home, $160,000 short of the deposit they need for the average home, how $160,000 short of the deposit they need for the average home, how does need for the average home, how does he need for the average home, how does he expect need for the average home, how does he expect a need for the average home, how does he expect a 10 need for the average home, how does he expect a 10 or need for the average home, how does he expect a 10 or $20,000 need for the average home, how does he expect a 10 or $20,000 grant need for the average home, how does he expect a 10 or $20,000 grant to he expect a 10 or $20,000 grant to make he expect a 10 or $20,000 grant to make any he expect a 10 or $20,000 grant to make any kind he expect a 10 or $20,000 grant to make any kind of he expect a 10 or $20,000 grant to make any kind of meaningful make any kind of meaningful difference? make any kind of meaningful difference? Mr make any kind of meaningful difference? Mr Speaker, make any kind of meaningful difference? Mr Speaker, I make any kind of meaningful difference? Mr Speaker, I dispute difference? Mr Speaker, I dispute the difference? Mr Speaker, I dispute the member's difference? Mr Speaker, I dispute the member's figures, difference? Mr Speaker, I dispute the member's figures, but difference? Mr Speaker, I dispute the member's figures, but I difference? Mr Speaker, I dispute the member's figures, but I - difference? Mr Speaker, I dispute the member's figures, but I - under the member's figures, but I - under KiwiSaver, the member's figures, but I - under KiwiSaver, the the member's figures, but I - under KiwiSaver, the average the member's figures, but I - under KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi the member's figures, but I - under KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi family KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi family in KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi family in KiwiSaver KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi family in KiwiSaver for KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi family in KiwiSaver for a KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi family in KiwiSaver for a period KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi family in KiwiSaver for a period of KiwiSaver, the average Kiwi family in KiwiSaver for a period of five in KiwiSaver for a period of five years, in KiwiSaver for a period of five years, plus in KiwiSaver for a period of five years, plus the in KiwiSaver for a period of five years, plus the Government in KiwiSaver for a period of five years, plus the Government HomeStart years, plus the Government HomeStart scheme, years, plus the Government HomeStart scheme, is years, plus the Government HomeStart scheme, is able years, plus the Government HomeStart scheme, is able to years, plus the Government HomeStart scheme, is able to secure years, plus the Government HomeStart scheme, is able to secure $80,000 scheme, is able to secure $80,000 towards scheme, is able to secure $80,000 towards the scheme, is able to secure $80,000 towards the deposit scheme, is able to secure $80,000 towards the deposit of scheme, is able to secure $80,000 towards the deposit of a scheme, is able to secure $80,000 towards the deposit of a home. scheme, is able to secure $80,000 towards the deposit of a home. And towards the deposit of a home. And this towards the deposit of a home. And this Government towards the deposit of a home. And this Government is towards the deposit of a home. And this Government is giving towards the deposit of a home. And this Government is giving more this Government is giving more support this Government is giving more support for this Government is giving more support for home this Government is giving more support for home owners this Government is giving more support for home owners being this Government is giving more support for home owners being able support for home owners being able to support for home owners being able to get support for home owners being able to get their support for home owners being able to get their first support for home owners being able to get their first home support for home owners being able to get their first home of support for home owners being able to get their first home of any to get their first home of any Government to get their first home of any Government in to get their first home of any Government in a to get their first home of any Government in a generation. to get their first home of any Government in a generation. Thank Government in a generation. Thank you, Government in a generation. Thank you, Mr Government in a generation. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Government in a generation. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What Government in a generation. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What has Government in a generation. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What has been Government in a generation. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What has been the you, Mr Speaker. What has been the impact you, Mr Speaker. What has been the impact of you, Mr Speaker. What has been the impact of the you, Mr Speaker. What has been the impact of the changes you, Mr Speaker. What has been the impact of the changes made you, Mr Speaker. What has been the impact of the changes made on you, Mr Speaker. What has been the impact of the changes made on the you, Mr Speaker. What has been the impact of the changes made on the 1 impact of the changes made on the 1 July impact of the changes made on the 1 July 2016 impact of the changes made on the 1 July 2016 to impact of the changes made on the 1 July 2016 to the impact of the changes made on the 1 July 2016 to the rules impact of the changes made on the 1 July 2016 to the rules around impact of the changes made on the 1 July 2016 to the rules around access July 2016 to the rules around access to July 2016 to the rules around access to KiwiSaver July 2016 to the rules around access to KiwiSaver for July 2016 to the rules around access to KiwiSaver for second July 2016 to the rules around access to KiwiSaver for second chance July 2016 to the rules around access to KiwiSaver for second chance home to KiwiSaver for second chance home owners? to KiwiSaver for second chance home owners? Mr to KiwiSaver for second chance home owners? Mr Speaker, to KiwiSaver for second chance home owners? Mr Speaker, the to KiwiSaver for second chance home owners? Mr Speaker, the significant owners? Mr Speaker, the significant change owners? Mr Speaker, the significant change we owners? Mr Speaker, the significant change we made owners? Mr Speaker, the significant change we made on owners? Mr Speaker, the significant change we made on 1st owners? Mr Speaker, the significant change we made on 1st July owners? Mr Speaker, the significant change we made on 1st July was change we made on 1st July was removing change we made on 1st July was removing the change we made on 1st July was removing the income change we made on 1st July was removing the income caps change we made on 1st July was removing the income caps for change we made on 1st July was removing the income caps for people removing the income caps for people wanting removing the income caps for people wanting to removing the income caps for people wanting to access removing the income caps for people wanting to access their removing the income caps for people wanting to access their KiwiSaver wanting to access their KiwiSaver for wanting to access their KiwiSaver for buying wanting to access their KiwiSaver for buying a wanting to access their KiwiSaver for buying a home wanting to access their KiwiSaver for buying a home when wanting to access their KiwiSaver for buying a home when they'd for buying a home when they'd previously for buying a home when they'd previously owned for buying a home when they'd previously owned one for buying a home when they'd previously owned one but for buying a home when they'd previously owned one but lost for buying a home when they'd previously owned one but lost it previously owned one but lost it through previously owned one but lost it through a previously owned one but lost it through a separation, previously owned one but lost it through a separation, a previously owned one but lost it through a separation, a business through a separation, a business failure through a separation, a business failure or through a separation, a business failure or some through a separation, a business failure or some other through a separation, a business failure or some other reason. through a separation, a business failure or some other reason. The failure or some other reason. The removal failure or some other reason. The removal of failure or some other reason. The removal of the failure or some other reason. The removal of the income failure or some other reason. The removal of the income cap failure or some other reason. The removal of the income cap has failure or some other reason. The removal of the income cap has seen removal of the income cap has seen the removal of the income cap has seen the numbers removal of the income cap has seen the numbers double. removal of the income cap has seen the numbers double. Previously, the numbers double. Previously, about the numbers double. Previously, about half the numbers double. Previously, about half of the numbers double. Previously, about half of those the numbers double. Previously, about half of those applications about half of those applications were about half of those applications were declined. about half of those applications were declined. The about half of those applications were declined. The scheme about half of those applications were declined. The scheme is about half of those applications were declined. The scheme is now were declined. The scheme is now helping were declined. The scheme is now helping 500 were declined. The scheme is now helping 500 families were declined. The scheme is now helping 500 families a were declined. The scheme is now helping 500 families a month, were declined. The scheme is now helping 500 families a month, or helping 500 families a month, or 6,000 helping 500 families a month, or 6,000 a helping 500 families a month, or 6,000 a year, helping 500 families a month, or 6,000 a year, get helping 500 families a month, or 6,000 a year, get into helping 500 families a month, or 6,000 a year, get into home 6,000 a year, get into home ownership. 6,000 a year, get into home ownership. Question 6,000 a year, get into home ownership. Question No. 6,000 a year, get into home ownership. Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Prime My question is to the Prime Minister: Minister: Does Minister: Does he Minister: Does he stand Minister: Does he stand by Minister: Does he stand by all Minister: Does he stand by all his Does he stand by all his statements? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, yes. Mr Speaker, yes. Does Mr Speaker, yes. Does he Mr Speaker, yes. Does he stand Mr Speaker, yes. Does he stand by Mr Speaker, yes. Does he stand by his Mr Speaker, yes. Does he stand by his statement, Mr Speaker, yes. Does he stand by his statement, "In Mr Speaker, yes. Does he stand by his statement, "In principal Mr Speaker, yes. Does he stand by his statement, "In principal what his statement, "In principal what they're his statement, "In principal what they're trying his statement, "In principal what they're trying to his statement, "In principal what they're trying to do, his statement, "In principal what they're trying to do, the his statement, "In principal what they're trying to do, the Government they're trying to do, the Government agrees they're trying to do, the Government agrees with. they're trying to do, the Government agrees with. This they're trying to do, the Government agrees with. This is they're trying to do, the Government agrees with. This is with they're trying to do, the Government agrees with. This is with regard they're trying to do, the Government agrees with. This is with regard to agrees with. This is with regard to the agrees with. This is with regard to the electricity agrees with. This is with regard to the electricity authority's agrees with. This is with regard to the electricity authority's decision the electricity authority's decision to the electricity authority's decision to change the electricity authority's decision to change electricity the electricity authority's decision to change electricity distribution to change electricity distribution charges to change electricity distribution charges across to change electricity distribution charges across New to change electricity distribution charges across New Zealand"? to change electricity distribution charges across New Zealand"? Mr charges across New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, charges across New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, well, charges across New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, well, I charges across New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, well, I do charges across New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, well, I do stand charges across New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, well, I do stand by charges across New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, well, I do stand by that Speaker, well, I do stand by that statement Speaker, well, I do stand by that statement which Speaker, well, I do stand by that statement which really Speaker, well, I do stand by that statement which really just Speaker, well, I do stand by that statement which really just reflects statement which really just reflects what statement which really just reflects what the statement which really just reflects what the electricity statement which really just reflects what the electricity authority's what the electricity authority's mandate what the electricity authority's mandate is what the electricity authority's mandate is to what the electricity authority's mandate is to do. what the electricity authority's mandate is to do. Can what the electricity authority's mandate is to do. Can he what the electricity authority's mandate is to do. Can he then, what the electricity authority's mandate is to do. Can he then, in mandate is to do. Can he then, in principle, mandate is to do. Can he then, in principle, agree mandate is to do. Can he then, in principle, agree with mandate is to do. Can he then, in principle, agree with former principle, agree with former National principle, agree with former National Minister principle, agree with former National Minister John principle, agree with former National Minister John Carter principle, agree with former National Minister John Carter who National Minister John Carter who said, National Minister John Carter who said, "Economically National Minister John Carter who said, "Economically these National Minister John Carter who said, "Economically these changes said, "Economically these changes would said, "Economically these changes would be said, "Economically these changes would be a said, "Economically these changes would be a disaster. said, "Economically these changes would be a disaster. We said, "Economically these changes would be a disaster. We seriously would be a disaster. We seriously cannot would be a disaster. We seriously cannot let would be a disaster. We seriously cannot let them would be a disaster. We seriously cannot let them happen?" would be a disaster. We seriously cannot let them happen?" Mr would be a disaster. We seriously cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, I cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, I think cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, I think it cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, I think it would cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, I think it would be cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, I think it would be better cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, I think it would be better I cannot let them happen?" Mr Speaker, I think it would be better I didn't I think it would be better I didn't comment I think it would be better I didn't comment because I think it would be better I didn't comment because ultimately I think it would be better I didn't comment because ultimately the comment because ultimately the decision comment because ultimately the decision is comment because ultimately the decision is the comment because ultimately the decision is the - comment because ultimately the decision is the - the comment because ultimately the decision is the - the preliminary decision is the - the preliminary decision decision is the - the preliminary decision is decision is the - the preliminary decision is from decision is the - the preliminary decision is from the decision is the - the preliminary decision is from the Electricity decision is from the Electricity Authority decision is from the Electricity Authority with decision is from the Electricity Authority with whom decision is from the Electricity Authority with whom they're Authority with whom they're independent Authority with whom they're decision Authority with whom they're independent in making Authority with whom they're independent in making that Authority with whom they're independent in making that decision. independent in making that decision. Highly independent in making that decision. Highly likely independent in making that decision. Highly likely that independent in making that decision. Highly likely that once independent in making that decision. Highly likely that once they independent in making that decision. Highly likely that once they go Highly likely that once they go through Highly likely that once they go through their Highly likely that once they go through their review Highly likely that once they go through their review process, through their review process, they'll through their review process, they'll then through their review process, they'll then be through their review process, they'll then be further through their review process, they'll then be further input through their review process, they'll then be further input and they'll then be further input and potentially they'll then be further input and potentially litigation they'll then be further input and potentially litigation that they'll then be further input and potentially litigation that involves potentially litigation that involves this potentially litigation that involves independent potentially litigation that involves this area. So potentially litigation that involves this area. So it's potentially litigation that involves this area. So it's not potentially litigation that involves this area. So it's not something potentially litigation that involves this area. So it's not something the this area. So it's not something the Government this area. So it's not something the Government directly this area. So it's not something the Government directly influences. this area. So it's not something the Government directly influences. The Government directly influences. The Electricity Government directly influences. The Electricity Authority Government directly influences. The Electricity Authority are Electricity Authority are independent Electricity Authority are independent in Electricity Authority are independent in making Electricity Authority are independent in making their independent in making their decisions. independent in making their decisions. Is independent in making their decisions. Is he independent in making their decisions. Is he prepared independent in making their decisions. Is he prepared to decisions. Is he prepared to front-up decisions. Is he prepared to front-up to decisions. Is he prepared to front-up to the decisions. Is he prepared to front-up to the people decisions. Is he prepared to front-up to the people of decisions. Is he prepared to front-up to the people of Northland, front-up to the people of Northland, and front-up to the people of Northland, and the front-up to the people of Northland, and the Bay front-up to the people of Northland, and the Bay of front-up to the people of Northland, and the Bay of Plenty front-up to the people of Northland, and the Bay of Plenty and front-up to the people of Northland, and the Bay of Plenty and tell front-up to the people of Northland, and the Bay of Plenty and tell them and the Bay of Plenty and tell them their and the Bay of Plenty and tell them their job and the Bay of Plenty and tell them their job losses and the Bay of Plenty and tell them their job losses make and the Bay of Plenty and tell them their job losses make sense and the Bay of Plenty and tell them their job losses make sense in their job losses make sense in principle their job losses make sense in principle as their job losses make sense in principle as big their job losses make sense in principle as big business their job losses make sense in principle as big business shuts their job losses make sense in principle as big business shuts up principle as big business shuts up shop principle as big business shuts up shop in principle as big business shuts up shop in our principle as big business shuts up shop in our regions principle as big business shuts up shop in our regions because principle as big business shuts up shop in our regions because of principle as big business shuts up shop in our regions because of these shop in our regions because of these huge shop in our regions because of these huge price shop in our regions because of these huge price hikes? shop in our regions because of these huge price hikes? As shop in our regions because of these huge price hikes? As I shop in our regions because of these huge price hikes? As I said shop in our regions because of these huge price hikes? As I said earlier, huge price hikes? As I said earlier, it's huge price hikes? As I said earlier, it's important huge price hikes? As I said earlier, it's important I huge price hikes? As I said earlier, it's important I think huge price hikes? As I said earlier, it's important I think to huge price hikes? As I said earlier, it's important I think to understand it's important I think to understand that it's important I think to understand that firstly it's important I think to understand that firstly the it's important I think to understand that firstly the Electricity that firstly the Electricity Authority that firstly the Electricity Authority are that firstly the Electricity Authority are independent that firstly the Electricity Authority are independent in that firstly the Electricity Authority are independent in terms Authority are independent in terms of Authority are independent in terms of making Authority are independent in terms of making these Authority are independent in terms of making these decisions. Authority are independent in terms of making these decisions. They of making these decisions. They obviously of making these decisions. They obviously try of making these decisions. They obviously try and of making these decisions. They obviously try and have of making these decisions. They obviously try and have a of making these decisions. They obviously try and have a degree of making these decisions. They obviously try and have a degree of obviously try and have a degree of equity obviously try and have a degree of equity in obviously try and have a degree of equity in terms obviously try and have a degree of equity in terms of obviously try and have a degree of equity in terms of their equity in terms of their decision-making. equity in terms of their decision-making. Secondly equity in terms of their decision-making. Secondly - equity in terms of their decision-making. Secondly - these decision-making. Secondly - these things decision-making. Secondly - these things are decision-making. Secondly - these things are going decision-making. Secondly - these things are going through decision-making. Secondly - these things are going through a decision-making. Secondly - these things are going through a process, things are going through a process, as things are going through a process, as I things are going through a process, as I understand things are going through a process, as I understand it, things are going through a process, as I understand it, where things are going through a process, as I understand it, where there things are going through a process, as I understand it, where there is things are going through a process, as I understand it, where there is a as I understand it, where there is a review. as I understand it, where there is a review. Thirdly as I understand it, where there is a review. Thirdly - as I understand it, where there is a review. Thirdly - they as I understand it, where there is a review. Thirdly - they may as I understand it, where there is a review. Thirdly - they may well as I understand it, where there is a review. Thirdly - they may well be review. Thirdly - they may well be subject review. Thirdly - they may well be subject to review. Thirdly - they may well be subject to litigation. review. Thirdly - they may well be subject to litigation. Clearly review. Thirdly - they may well be subject to litigation. Clearly the subject to litigation. Clearly the country subject to litigation. Clearly the country needs subject to litigation. Clearly the country needs an subject to litigation. Clearly the country needs an electricity subject to litigation. Clearly the country needs an electricity system country needs an electricity system that, country needs an electricity system that, whos country needs an electricity system that, whos well country needs an electricity system that, whos well and country needs an electricity system that, whos well and is country needs an electricity system that, whos well and is appropriately that, whos well and is appropriately funded that, whos well and is appropriately funded and that, whos well and is appropriately funded and the that, whos well and is appropriately funded and the Electricity that, whos well and is appropriately funded and the Electricity Authority funded and the Electricity Authority has funded and the Electricity Authority funded funded and the Electricity Authority has that responsibility. funded and the Electricity Authority has that responsibility. Does funded and the Electricity Authority has that responsibility. Does he has that responsibility. Does he think has that responsibility. Does he think his has that responsibility. Does he think his apathy, has that responsibility. Does he think his apathy, lack has that responsibility. Does he think his apathy, lack of think his apathy, lack of intervention think his apathy, lack of intervention on think his apathy, lack of intervention on these think his apathy, lack of intervention on these price think his apathy, lack of intervention on these price hikes, intervention on these price hikes, is intervention on these price hikes, is good intervention on these price hikes, is good for intervention on these price hikes, is good for New intervention on these price hikes, is good for New Zealand intervention on these price hikes, is good for New Zealand business is good for New Zealand business decision-makers is good for New Zealand business decision-makers and is good for New Zealand business decision-makers and long-term decision-makers and long-term investment decision-makers and long-term investment or decision-makers and long-term investment or does decision-makers and long-term investment or does he decision-makers and long-term investment or does he think decision-makers and long-term investment or does he think core investment or does he think core fundamentals investment or does he think core fundamentals like investment or does he think core fundamentals like this investment or does he think core fundamentals like this is investment or does he think core fundamentals like this is just fundamentals like this is just changing fundamentals like this is just changing core fundamentals like this is just changing core fundamentals fundamentals like this is just changing core fundamentals like fundamentals like this is just changing core fundamentals like this changing core fundamentals like this willy changing core fundamentals like this willy nilly changing core fundamentals like this willy nilly is changing core fundamentals like this willy nilly is just changing core fundamentals like this willy nilly is just fine changing core fundamentals like this willy nilly is just fine in willy nilly is just fine in principle? willy nilly is just fine in principle? 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I know he's panicking but he can't behave like that. Order! The I know he's panicking but he can't behave like that. Order! The member behave like that. Order! The member is behave like that. Order! The member is half behave like that. Order! The member is half right, behave like that. Order! The member is half right, it's behave like that. Order! The member is half right, it's not behave like that. Order! The member is half right, it's not helpful behave like that. Order! The member is half right, it's not helpful to is half right, it's not helpful to answer is half right, it's not helpful to answer the is half right, it's not helpful to answer the question is half right, it's not helpful to answer the question that is half right, it's not helpful to answer the question that way, is half right, it's not helpful to answer the question that way, PM. answer the question that way, PM. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> . <INTERRUPTION> . We <INTERRUPTION> . We will <INTERRUPTION> . 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Housing: Social Housing: Has Social Housing: Has she Social Housing: Has she read Social Housing: Has she read the Social Housing: Has she read the final Social Housing: Has she read the final report Social Housing: Has she read the final report of Social Housing: Has she read the final report of the Has she read the final report of the Cross-Party Has she read the final report of the Cross-Party Inquiry Has she read the final report of the Cross-Party Inquiry on Has she read the final report of the Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness "Ending Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness "Ending Homelessness Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness "Ending Homelessness in Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness "Ending Homelessness in New "Ending Homelessness in New Zealand"; "Ending Homelessness in New Zealand"; if "Ending Homelessness in New Zealand"; if so, "Ending Homelessness in New Zealand"; if so, will "Ending Homelessness in New Zealand"; if so, will she "Ending Homelessness in New Zealand"; if so, will she implement Zealand"; if so, will she implement its Zealand"; if so, will she implement its recommendations? 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And people sleeping on their cousin's couch are not homeless? And if people sleeping on their cousin's couch are not homeless? And if so, couch are not homeless? And if so, how couch are not homeless? And if so, how can couch are not homeless? And if so, how can she couch are not homeless? And if so, how can she possibly couch are not homeless? And if so, how can she possibly consider couch are not homeless? And if so, how can she possibly consider that couch are not homeless? And if so, how can she possibly consider that a how can she possibly consider that a family how can she possibly consider that a family trying how can she possibly consider that a family trying to how can she possibly consider that a family trying to send how can she possibly consider that a family trying to send their how can she possibly consider that a family trying to send their kids how can she possibly consider that a family trying to send their kids to family trying to send their kids to school family trying to send their kids to school from family trying to send their kids to school from a family trying to send their kids to school from a different family trying to send their kids to school from a different family school from a different family member's school from a different family member's lounge school from a different family member's lounge each school from a different family member's lounge each week school from a different family member's lounge each week have school from a different family member's lounge each week have a member's lounge each week have a home? member's lounge each week have a home? Mr member's lounge each week have a home? Mr Speaker, member's lounge each week have a home? Mr Speaker, the member's lounge each week have a home? Mr Speaker, the PM member's lounge each week have a home? Mr Speaker, the PM would member's lounge each week have a home? Mr Speaker, the PM would have home? Mr Speaker, the PM would have been home? Mr Speaker, the PM would have been referring home? Mr Speaker, the PM would have been referring to home? Mr Speaker, the PM would have been referring to the home? Mr Speaker, the PM would have been referring to the definition home? 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And inaction is over $250 million a year. And if inaction is over $250 million a year. And if so, inaction is over $250 million a year. And if so, wouldn't inaction is over $250 million a year. And if so, wouldn't this year. And if so, wouldn't this justify year. And if so, wouldn't this justify spending year. And if so, wouldn't this justify spending a year. And if so, wouldn't this justify spending a lot year. And if so, wouldn't this justify spending a lot more year. And if so, wouldn't this justify spending a lot more than year. 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And will she consider a full rollout house each year? And will she consider a full rollout of house each year? And will she consider a full rollout of the consider a full rollout of the Housing consider a full rollout of the Housing First consider a full rollout of the Housing First approach consider a full rollout of the Housing First approach to consider a full rollout of the Housing First approach to cover consider a full rollout of the Housing First approach to cover the Housing First approach to cover the 4,200 Housing First approach to cover the 4,200 homeless Housing First approach to cover the 4,200 homeless people Housing First approach to cover the 4,200 homeless people without 4,200 homeless people without shelter? 4,200 homeless people without shelter? Sorry, 4,200 homeless people without shelter? Sorry, I 4,200 homeless people without shelter? Sorry, I can't 4,200 homeless people without shelter? Sorry, I can't quite shelter? Sorry, I can't quite remember shelter? 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So solutions for those inside the houses. So I solutions for those inside the houses. So I think solutions for those inside the houses. So I think the solutions for those inside the houses. So I think the three solutions for those inside the houses. So I think the three on solutions for those inside the houses. So I think the three on top houses. So I think the three on top of houses. So I think the three on top of the houses. So I think the three on top of the which houses. So I think the three on top of the which is houses. So I think the three on top of the which is in houses. So I think the three on top of the which is in Hamilton. houses. So I think the three on top of the which is in Hamilton. It's of the which is in Hamilton. It's going of the which is in Hamilton. It's going to of the which is in Hamilton. It's going to be of the which is in Hamilton. It's going to be quite of the which is in Hamilton. It's going to be quite different of the which is in Hamilton. It's going to be quite different doing of the which is in Hamilton. 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And because some of the special challenges that are there. And we're challenges that are there. And we're hope challenges that are there. And we're hope to challenges that are there. And we're hope to rolling challenges that are there. And we're hope to rolling it challenges that are there. And we're hope to rolling it out challenges that are there. And we're hope to rolling it out further challenges that are there. And we're hope to rolling it out further when hope to rolling it out further when we hope to rolling it out further when we see hope to rolling it out further when we see the hope to rolling it out further when we see the results hope to rolling it out further when we see the results coming hope to rolling it out further when we see the results coming through. we see the results coming through. Does we see the results coming through. Does she we see the results coming through. Does she accept we see the results coming through. Does she accept that we see the results coming through. Does she accept that the we see the results coming through. Does she accept that the only we see the results coming through. Does she accept that the only way we see the results coming through. Does she accept that the only way to Does she accept that the only way to ultimately Does she accept that the only way to ultimately house Does she accept that the only way to ultimately house the Does she accept that the only way to ultimately house the 41,000 Does she accept that the only way to ultimately house the 41,000 homeless ultimately house the 41,000 homeless people ultimately house the 41,000 homeless people is ultimately house the 41,000 homeless people is to ultimately house the 41,000 homeless people is to provide ultimately house the 41,000 homeless people is to provide permanent, people is to provide permanent, affordable people is to provide permanent, affordable housing people is to provide permanent, affordable housing for people is to provide permanent, affordable housing for them? people is to provide permanent, affordable housing for them? And people is to provide permanent, affordable housing for them? And if affordable housing for them? And if so, affordable housing for them? And if so, will affordable housing for them? And if so, will she affordable housing for them? And if so, will she commit affordable housing for them? And if so, will she commit to affordable housing for them? And if so, will she commit to increasing so, will she commit to increasing the so, will she commit to increasing the state so, will she commit to increasing the state and so, will she commit to increasing the state and community so, will she commit to increasing the state and community housing the state and community housing stock the state and community housing stock by the state and community housing stock by the the state and community housing stock by the 15 the state and community housing stock by the 15 to the state and community housing stock by the 15 to 25,000 the state and community housing stock by the 15 to 25,000 houses stock by the 15 to 25,000 houses needed stock by the 15 to 25,000 houses needed and stock by the 15 to 25,000 houses needed and implementing stock by the 15 to 25,000 houses needed and implementing a stock by the 15 to 25,000 houses needed and implementing a nationwide needed and implementing a nationwide strategy needed and implementing a nationwide strategy to needed and implementing a nationwide strategy to end needed and implementing a nationwide strategy to end homelessness? needed and implementing a nationwide strategy to end homelessness? 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Does the minister support the next two or three years. Does the minister support providing the next two or three years. Does the minister support providing New the minister support providing New Zealanders the minister support providing New Zealanders who the minister support providing New Zealanders who rent the minister support providing New Zealanders who rent some the minister support providing New Zealanders who rent some security Zealanders who rent some security about Zealanders who rent some security about their Zealanders who rent some security about their tenancies Zealanders who rent some security about their tenancies so Zealanders who rent some security about their tenancies so they Zealanders who rent some security about their tenancies so they can about their tenancies so they can put about their tenancies so they can put down about their tenancies so they can put down roots about their tenancies so they can put down roots in about their tenancies so they can put down roots in their about their tenancies so they can put down roots in their communities put down roots in their communities and put down roots in their communities and have put down roots in their communities and have a put down roots in their communities and have a secure put down roots in their communities and have a secure home? put down roots in their communities and have a secure home? 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Given that Maori are overrepresented rolled out. Given that Maori are overrepresented in rolled out. Given that Maori are overrepresented in homelessness, overrepresented in homelessness, will overrepresented in homelessness, will the overrepresented in homelessness, will the minister overrepresented in homelessness, will the minister provide overrepresented in homelessness, will the minister provide more will the minister provide more on-going will the minister provide more on-going support will the minister provide more on-going support for will the minister provide more on-going support for the will the minister provide more on-going support for the services on-going support for the services that on-going support for the services that are on-going support for the services that are proven on-going support for the services that are proven to on-going support for the services that are proven to have on-going support for the services that are proven to have effect on-going support for the services that are proven to have effect for that are proven to have effect for our that are proven to have effect for our people that are proven to have effect for our people such that are proven to have effect for our people such as that are proven to have effect for our people such as those that are proven to have effect for our people such as those run that are proven to have effect for our people such as those run from our people such as those run from tepua our people such as those run from tepua and our people such as those run from tepua and marae? our people such as those run from tepua and marae? Yes. our people such as those run from tepua and marae? Yes. Question our people such as those run from tepua and marae? Yes. Question No. tepua and marae? Yes. Question No. 10. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Conservation: Conservation: What Conservation: What announcements Conservation: What announcements has What announcements has she What announcements has she made What announcements has she made on What announcements has she made on wild What announcements has she made on wild kiwi What announcements has she made on wild kiwi recovery? 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The plan sets out how we intend to turn a 2% consultation. The plan sets out how we intend to turn a 2% annual we intend to turn a 2% annual decline we intend to turn a 2% annual decline into we intend to turn a 2% annual decline into a we intend to turn a 2% annual decline into a 2% we intend to turn a 2% annual decline into a 2% increase we intend to turn a 2% annual decline into a 2% increase with decline into a 2% increase with $11.2 decline into a 2% increase with $11.2 million decline into a 2% increase with $11.2 million from decline into a 2% increase with $11.2 million from last decline into a 2% increase with $11.2 million from last year's $11.2 million from last year's budget. $11.2 million from last year's budget. Our $11.2 million from last year's budget. Our goal $11.2 million from last year's budget. Our goal is $11.2 million from last year's budget. Our goal is to $11.2 million from last year's budget. Our goal is to have $11.2 million from last year's budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 kiwi budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 kiwi in budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 kiwi in the budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 kiwi in the wild budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 kiwi in the wild by budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 kiwi in the wild by 2030 budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 kiwi in the wild by 2030 and budget. Our goal is to have 100,000 kiwi in the wild by 2030 and that's kiwi in the wild by 2030 and that's up kiwi in the wild by 2030 and that's up from kiwi in the wild by 2030 and that's up from 80,000 kiwi in the wild by 2030 and that's up from 80,000 kiwis. kiwi in the wild by 2030 and that's up from 80,000 kiwis. 2% kiwi in the wild by 2030 and that's up from 80,000 kiwis. 2% increase kiwi in the wild by 2030 and that's up from 80,000 kiwis. 2% increase is up from 80,000 kiwis. 2% increase is achievable. up from 80,000 kiwis. 2% increase is achievable. The up from 80,000 kiwis. 2% increase is achievable. The populations up from 80,000 kiwis. 2% increase is achievable. The populations which achievable. The populations which once achievable. The populations which once numbered achievable. The populations which once numbered less achievable. The populations which once numbered less than achievable. The populations which once numbered less than 200 achievable. The populations which once numbered less than 200 each once numbered less than 200 each have once numbered less than 200 each have now once numbered less than 200 each have now more once numbered less than 200 each have now more than once numbered less than 200 each have now more than doubled once numbered less than 200 each have now more than doubled that once numbered less than 200 each have now more than doubled that to have now more than doubled that to more have now more than doubled that to more than have now more than doubled that to more than 400 have now more than doubled that to more than 400 birds have now more than doubled that to more than 400 birds each have now more than doubled that to more than 400 birds each thanks have now more than doubled that to more than 400 birds each thanks to more than 400 birds each thanks to intensive more than 400 birds each thanks to intensive pest more than 400 birds each thanks to intensive pest management. more than 400 birds each thanks to intensive pest management. 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Before these operations, kiwi chicks had a 20% kiwi. Before these operations, kiwi chicks had a 20% chance kiwi. Before these operations, kiwi chicks had a 20% chance of kiwi. Before these operations, kiwi chicks had a 20% chance of surviving chicks had a 20% chance of surviving to chicks had a 20% chance of surviving to 6 chicks had a 20% chance of surviving to 6 months chicks had a 20% chance of surviving to 6 months of chicks had a 20% chance of surviving to 6 months of age. chicks had a 20% chance of surviving to 6 months of age. Following chicks had a 20% chance of surviving to 6 months of age. Following then to 6 months of age. Following then orations, to 6 months of age. Following then orations, kiwi to 6 months of age. Following then orations, kiwi chicks to 6 months of age. Following then orations, kiwi chicks survival to 6 months of age. 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Kiwis for Kiwis supported 38 projects last for Kiwis supported 38 projects last year for Kiwis supported 38 projects last year including for Kiwis supported 38 projects last year including community year including community conservation year including community conservation groups, year including community conservation groups, iwi year including community conservation groups, iwi research conservation groups, iwi research and conservation groups, iwi research and captive conservation groups, iwi research and captive institutions conservation groups, iwi research and captive institutions with conservation groups, iwi research and captive institutions with over and captive institutions with over $500,000 and captive institutions with over $500,000 in and captive institutions with over $500,000 in funding. and captive institutions with over $500,000 in funding. Strategies, $500,000 in funding. Strategies, plans $500,000 in funding. Strategies, plans specifically $500,000 in funding. Strategies, plans specifically to $500,000 in funding. 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Question other things will also be available through funding. Question No. other things will also be available through funding. Question No. 11. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Corrections: Corrections: Does Corrections: Does she Corrections: Does she still Corrections: Does she still believe Does she still believe that Does she still believe that Serco Does she still believe that Serco should Does she still believe that Serco should be Does she still believe that Serco should be operating that Serco should be operating Auckland that Serco should be operating Auckland South that Serco should be operating Auckland South Corrections that Serco should be operating Auckland South Corrections Facility; Auckland South Corrections Facility; if Auckland South Corrections Facility; if so, Auckland South Corrections Facility; if so, how, Auckland South Corrections Facility; if so, how, given Auckland South Corrections Facility; if so, how, given she Auckland South Corrections Facility; if so, how, given she described Auckland South Corrections Facility; if so, how, given she described them if so, how, given she described them as if so, how, given she described them as failures if so, how, given she described them as failures in if so, how, given she described them as failures in their if so, how, given she described them as failures in their management if so, how, given she described them as failures in their management of as failures in their management of Mt as failures in their management of Mt Eden? 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I understand the committee received I understand the committee received 211 I understand the committee received 211 written I understand the committee received 211 written submissions I understand the committee received 211 written submissions and I understand the committee received 211 written submissions and heard I understand the committee received 211 written submissions and heard 32 211 written submissions and heard 32 oral 211 written submissions and heard 32 oral submissions. 211 written submissions and heard 32 oral submissions. On 211 written submissions and heard 32 oral submissions. On 21 211 written submissions and heard 32 oral submissions. On 21 April 211 written submissions and heard 32 oral submissions. On 21 April this oral submissions. On 21 April this year oral submissions. On 21 April this year the oral submissions. On 21 April this year the committee oral submissions. On 21 April this year the committee released oral submissions. 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