This This programme This programme is This programme is live This programme is live captioned This programme is live captioned by This programme is live captioned by Ericsson This programme is live captioned by Ericsson Access This programme is live captioned by Ericsson Access Services Ericsson Access Services for Ericsson Access Services for the Ericsson Access Services for the Office Ericsson Access Services for the Office of Ericsson Access Services for the Office of the Ericsson Access Services for the Office of the Clerk for the Office of the Clerk of for the Office of the Clerk of the for the Office of the Clerk of the House for the Office of the Clerk of the House of for the Office of the Clerk of the House of Representatives. Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for your humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all things, your guidance in all things, and your guidance in all things, and laying your guidance in all things, and laying aside your guidance in all things, and laying aside all your guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we ask and personal interests, we ask that and personal interests, we ask that you and personal interests, we ask that you grant we ask that you grant that we ask that you grant that we we ask that you grant that we may we ask that you grant that we may conduct we ask that you grant that we may conduct the we ask that you grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of your of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy name, to the glory of your holy name, the to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. Rights honourable honourable members, honourable members, I honourable members, I wish honourable members, I wish to honourable members, I wish to advise honourable members, I wish to advise the honourable members, I wish to advise the House honourable members, I wish to advise the House that honourable members, I wish to advise the House that I honourable members, I wish to advise the House that I have honourable members, I wish to advise the House that I have received honourable members, I wish to advise the House that I have received a the House that I have received a letter the House that I have received a letter from the House that I have received a letter from the the House that I have received a letter from the Hon the House that I have received a letter from the Hon Phil the House that I have received a letter from the Hon Phil Goff letter from the Hon Phil Goff resigning letter from the Hon Phil Goff resigning from letter from the Hon Phil Goff resigning from his letter from the Hon Phil Goff resigning from his seat letter from the Hon Phil Goff resigning from his seat with letter from the Hon Phil Goff resigning from his seat with effect resigning from his seat with effect from resigning from his seat with effect from October resigning from his seat with effect from October 12 resigning from his seat with effect from October 12 2016. resigning from his seat with effect from October 12 2016. Point resigning from his seat with effect from October 12 2016. Point of from October 12 2016. Point of order, from October 12 2016. Point of order, Chris from October 12 2016. Point of order, Chris Hipkins? from October 12 2016. Point of order, Chris Hipkins? On from October 12 2016. Point of order, Chris Hipkins? On that from October 12 2016. Point of order, Chris Hipkins? On that note, order, Chris Hipkins? On that note, I order, Chris Hipkins? On that note, I seek order, Chris Hipkins? On that note, I seek leave order, Chris Hipkins? On that note, I seek leave to order, Chris Hipkins? On that note, I seek leave to correct order, Chris Hipkins? On that note, I seek leave to correct Labour's order, Chris Hipkins? On that note, I seek leave to correct Labour's two I seek leave to correct Labour's two votes I seek leave to correct Labour's two votes at I seek leave to correct Labour's two votes at the I seek leave to correct Labour's two votes at the committee I seek leave to correct Labour's two votes at the committee stage I seek leave to correct Labour's two votes at the committee stage of I seek leave to correct Labour's two votes at the committee stage of the votes at the committee stage of the Agricultural votes at the committee stage of the Agricultural Compounds votes at the committee stage of the Agricultural Compounds and Agricultural Compounds and Veterinary Agricultural Compounds and Veterinary Medicines Agricultural Compounds and Veterinary Medicines Amendment Agricultural Compounds and Veterinary Medicines Amendment Bill Veterinary Medicines Amendment Bill yesterday, Veterinary Medicines Amendment Bill yesterday, when Veterinary Medicines Amendment Bill yesterday, when 32 Veterinary Medicines Amendment Bill yesterday, when 32 votes Veterinary Medicines Amendment Bill yesterday, when 32 votes were Veterinary Medicines Amendment Bill yesterday, when 32 votes were cast yesterday, when 32 votes were cast instead yesterday, when 32 votes were cast instead of yesterday, when 32 votes were cast instead of 31. yesterday, when 32 votes were cast instead of 31. I yesterday, when 32 votes were cast instead of 31. I think yesterday, when 32 votes were cast instead of 31. I think the yesterday, when 32 votes were cast instead of 31. I think the member instead of 31. I think the member casting instead of 31. I think the member casting the instead of 31. I think the member casting the votes instead of 31. I think the member casting the votes is instead of 31. I think the member casting the votes is still instead of 31. I think the member casting the votes is still grieving casting the votes is still grieving that casting the votes is still grieving that announcement, casting the votes is still grieving that announcement, but casting the votes is still grieving that announcement, but the casting the votes is still grieving that announcement, but the correct that announcement, but the correct number that announcement, but the correct number of that announcement, but the correct number of votes that announcement, but the correct number of votes at that announcement, but the correct number of votes at the that announcement, but the correct number of votes at the time that announcement, but the correct number of votes at the time should number of votes at the time should have number of votes at the time should have been number of votes at the time should have been 31. number of votes at the time should have been 31. Leave number of votes at the time should have been 31. Leave is number of votes at the time should have been 31. Leave is sought number of votes at the time should have been 31. Leave is sought for have been 31. Leave is sought for that have been 31. Leave is sought for that cause have been 31. Leave is sought for that cause of have been 31. Leave is sought for that cause of action. have been 31. Leave is sought for that cause of action. Is have been 31. Leave is sought for that cause of action. Is there have been 31. Leave is sought for that cause of action. Is there any that cause of action. Is there any objection? that cause of action. Is there any objection? There that cause of action. Is there any objection? There is that cause of action. Is there any objection? There is none. that cause of action. Is there any objection? There is none. The that cause of action. Is there any objection? There is none. The vote objection? There is none. The vote will objection? There is none. The vote will be objection? There is none. The vote will be amended. objection? There is none. The vote will be amended. The objection? There is none. The vote will be amended. The Hon objection? There is none. The vote will be amended. The Hon Christopher will be amended. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. will be amended. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. When will be amended. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. When the will be amended. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. When the House will be amended. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. When the House resumes will be amended. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. When the House resumes on Finlayson. When the House resumes on Tuesday, Finlayson. When the House resumes on Tuesday, October Finlayson. When the House resumes on Tuesday, October 18, Finlayson. When the House resumes on Tuesday, October 18, the Finlayson. When the House resumes on Tuesday, October 18, the Government Tuesday, October 18, the Government will Tuesday, October 18, the Government will look Tuesday, October 18, the Government will look to Tuesday, October 18, the Government will look to complete Tuesday, October 18, the Government will look to complete the Tuesday, October 18, the Government will look to complete the first will look to complete the first readings will look to complete the first readings of will look to complete the first readings of the will look to complete the first readings of the outer will look to complete the first readings of the outer space will look to complete the first readings of the outer space and will look to complete the first readings of the outer space and -- readings of the outer space and -- Outer readings of the outer space and -- Outer Space readings of the outer space and -- Outer Space and readings of the outer space and -- Outer Space and High-Altitude Outer Space and High-Altitude Acivities Outer Space and High-Altitude Acivities Bill, Outer Space and High-Altitude Acivities Bill, and Outer Space and High-Altitude Acivities Bill, and the Outer Space and High-Altitude Acivities Bill, and the three Acivities Bill, and the three regulatory Acivities Bill, and the three regulatory systems Acivities Bill, and the three regulatory systems bills, Acivities Bill, and the three regulatory systems bills, and Acivities Bill, and the three regulatory systems bills, and to regulatory systems bills, and to progress regulatory systems bills, and to progress a regulatory systems bills, and to progress a number regulatory systems bills, and to progress a number of regulatory systems bills, and to progress a number of other regulatory systems bills, and to progress a number of other bills regulatory systems bills, and to progress a number of other bills on progress a number of other bills on the progress a number of other bills on the Order progress a number of other bills on the Order Paper. progress a number of other bills on the Order Paper. Wednesday, progress a number of other bills on the Order Paper. Wednesday, of the Order Paper. Wednesday, of course, the Order Paper. Wednesday, of course, will the Order Paper. Wednesday, of course, will be the Order Paper. Wednesday, of course, will be a the Order Paper. Wednesday, of course, will be a members' the Order Paper. Wednesday, of course, will be a members' day. course, will be a members' day. Order! course, will be a members' day. Order! A course, will be a members' day. Order! A petition course, will be a members' day. Order! A petition has course, will be a members' day. Order! A petition has been course, will be a members' day. Order! A petition has been delivered Order! A petition has been delivered to Order! A petition has been delivered to the Order! A petition has been delivered to the Clerk Order! A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for Order! A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for presentation. Petition Petition of Petition of Phil Petition of Phil Twyford, Petition of Phil Twyford, Marama Petition of Phil Twyford, Marama Davidson, Petition of Phil Twyford, Marama Davidson, and Petition of Phil Twyford, Marama Davidson, and Marama Petition of Phil Twyford, Marama Davidson, and Marama Fox Marama Davidson, and Marama Fox on Marama Davidson, and Marama Fox on behalf Marama Davidson, and Marama Fox on behalf of Marama Davidson, and Marama Fox on behalf of the Marama Davidson, and Marama Fox on behalf of the Cross-Party Marama Davidson, and Marama Fox on behalf of the Cross-Party Inquiry on behalf of the Cross-Party Inquiry on on behalf of the Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness on behalf of the Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness requesting on Homelessness requesting that on Homelessness requesting that the on Homelessness requesting that the House on Homelessness requesting that the House support that the House support the that the House support the recommendations that the House support the recommendations made the recommendations made in the recommendations made in the the recommendations made in the report the recommendations made in the report of the recommendations made in the report of the the recommendations made in the report of the Cross-Party in the report of the Cross-Party Inquiry in the report of the Cross-Party Inquiry on in the report of the Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness in the report of the Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness and in the report of the Cross-Party Inquiry on Homelessness and urge Inquiry on Homelessness and urge the Inquiry on Homelessness and urge the Government Inquiry on Homelessness and urge the Government to Inquiry on Homelessness and urge the Government to implement Inquiry on Homelessness and urge the Government to implement those the Government to implement those recommendations the Government to implement those recommendations urgently. That That petition That petition stands That petition stands referred That petition stands referred to That petition stands referred to a That petition stands referred to a select That petition stands referred to a select committee That petition stands referred to a select committee allocated That petition stands referred to a select committee allocated by That petition stands referred to a select committee allocated by the select committee allocated by the Clerk. select committee allocated by the Clerk. Ministers select committee allocated by the Clerk. Ministers have select committee allocated by the Clerk. Ministers have delivered Clerk. Ministers have delivered papers. New New Zealand New Zealand Lotteries New Zealand Lotteries Commission New Zealand Lotteries Commission 2015-2016. Commission 2015-2016. Ministry Commission 2015-2016. Ministry for Commission 2015-2016. Ministry for the Ministry for the Environment Ministry for the Environment 2015-2016. Environment 2015-2016. New Environment 2015-2016. New Zealand Environment 2015-2016. New Zealand Qualification New Zealand Qualification New Zealand Qualification New Zealand Qualification Authority 2015-2016. Authority 2015-2016. Pharmaceutical Authority 2015-2016. Pharmaceutical Management Authority 2015-2016. Pharmaceutical Management Agency Pharmaceutical Management Agency for Pharmaceutical Management Agency for the Pharmaceutical Management Agency for the year Pharmaceutical Management Agency for the year ended Pharmaceutical Management Agency for the year ended 30 Pharmaceutical Management Agency for the year ended 30 June Pharmaceutical Management Agency for the year ended 30 June 2016. for the year ended 30 June 2016. Remuneration for the year ended 30 June 2016. Remuneration Authority Remuneration Authority for Remuneration Authority for the Remuneration Authority for the year Remuneration Authority for the year ended Remuneration Authority for the year ended 30 Remuneration Authority for the year ended 30 June Remuneration Authority for the year ended 30 June 2016. Statement Statement of Statement of intent Statement of intent for Statement of intent for the Statement of intent for the Ministry Statement of intent for the Ministry of Statement of intent for the Ministry of the Statement of intent for the Ministry of the Environment Statement of intent for the Ministry of the Environment for Statement of intent for the Ministry of the Environment for 2016-2020. Vote Vote Environment Vote Environment (Climate Vote Environment (Climate Change), Vote Environment (Climate Change), Report Vote Environment (Climate Change), Report in Vote Environment (Climate Change), Report in relation Vote Environment (Climate Change), Report in relation to Vote Environment (Climate Change), Report in relation to selected Report in relation to selected Non-Departmental Report in relation to selected Non-Departmental appropriations Non-Departmental appropriations for Non-Departmental appropriations for the Non-Departmental appropriations for the year Non-Departmental appropriations for the year ended Non-Departmental appropriations for the year ended 30 Non-Departmental appropriations for the year ended 30 June Non-Departmental appropriations for the year ended 30 June 2016. for the year ended 30 June 2016. Vote for the year ended 30 June 2016. Vote Environment for the year ended 30 June 2016. Vote Environment (Environment), Vote Environment (Environment), Report Vote Environment (Environment), Report in Vote Environment (Environment), Report in relation Vote Environment (Environment), Report in relation to Vote Environment (Environment), Report in relation to selected Report in relation to selected Non-Departmental Report in relation to selected Non-Departmental Appropriations Non-Departmental Appropriations for Non-Departmental Appropriations for the Non-Departmental Appropriations for the year Non-Departmental Appropriations for the year ended Non-Departmental Appropriations for the year ended 30 Non-Departmental Appropriations for the year ended 30 June Non-Departmental Appropriations for the year ended 30 June 2016. Financial Financial Statements Financial Statements of Financial Statements of the Financial Statements of the Government Financial Statements of the Government of Financial Statements of the Government of New Financial Statements of the Government of New Zealand of the Government of New Zealand for of the Government of New Zealand for the of the Government of New Zealand for the year of the Government of New Zealand for the year ended of the Government of New Zealand for the year ended 30 of the Government of New Zealand for the year ended 30 June of the Government of New Zealand for the year ended 30 June 2016. Those Those papers Those papers are Those papers are published Those papers are published under Those papers are published under the Those papers are published under the authority Those papers are published under the authority of Those papers are published under the authority of the Those papers are published under the authority of the House. authority of the House. No authority of the House. No select authority of the House. No select committee authority of the House. No select committee reports authority of the House. No select committee reports have No select committee reports have been No select committee reports have been presented. No select committee reports have been presented. No No select committee reports have been presented. No bills No select committee reports have been presented. No bills have No select committee reports have been presented. No bills have been been presented. No bills have been introduced. been presented. No bills have been introduced. The been presented. No bills have been introduced. The House been presented. No bills have been introduced. The House comes been presented. No bills have been introduced. The House comes to been presented. No bills have been introduced. The House comes to Oral introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1 introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1 in introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1 in the Questions. Question No. 1 in the name Questions. Question No. 1 in the name of Questions. Question No. 1 in the name of James Questions. Question No. 1 in the name of James Shaw. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister responsible My question is to the Minister responsible for My question is to the Minister responsible for HNZC: Minister responsible for HNZC: How Minister responsible for HNZC: How much Minister responsible for HNZC: How much more Minister responsible for HNZC: How much more money Minister responsible for HNZC: How much more money will Minister responsible for HNZC: How much more money will he Minister responsible for HNZC: How much more money will he have How much more money will he have to How much more money will he have to give How much more money will he have to give Housing How much more money will he have to give Housing New How much more money will he have to give Housing New Zealand to give Housing New Zealand so to give Housing New Zealand so that to give Housing New Zealand so that it to give Housing New Zealand so that it can to give Housing New Zealand so that it can continue to give Housing New Zealand so that it can continue to to give Housing New Zealand so that it can continue to operate so that it can continue to operate after so that it can continue to operate after February so that it can continue to operate after February 2017? The The Hon The Hon Bill The Hon Bill English? The Hon Bill English? Mr The Hon Bill English? Mr Speaker, The Hon Bill English? Mr Speaker, none, The Hon Bill English? Mr Speaker, none, to The Hon Bill English? Mr Speaker, none, to allow The Hon Bill English? Mr Speaker, none, to allow Housing The Hon Bill English? Mr Speaker, none, to allow Housing New The Hon Bill English? Mr Speaker, none, to allow Housing New Zealand none, to allow Housing New Zealand to none, to allow Housing New Zealand to continue none, to allow Housing New Zealand to continue to none, to allow Housing New Zealand to continue to operate none, to allow Housing New Zealand to continue to operate - none, to allow Housing New Zealand to continue to operate - it none, to allow Housing New Zealand to continue to operate - it can to continue to operate - it can easily to continue to operate - it can easily do to continue to operate - it can easily do that. to continue to operate - it can easily do that. And to continue to operate - it can easily do that. And reports to continue to operate - it can easily do that. And reports that to continue to operate - it can easily do that. And reports that it easily do that. And reports that it is easily do that. And reports that it is "going easily do that. And reports that it is "going broke" easily do that. And reports that it is "going broke" are easily do that. And reports that it is "going broke" are simply easily do that. And reports that it is "going broke" are simply wrong. is "going broke" are simply wrong. But is "going broke" are simply wrong. But as is "going broke" are simply wrong. But as Housing is "going broke" are simply wrong. But as Housing New is "going broke" are simply wrong. But as Housing New Zealand is "going broke" are simply wrong. But as Housing New Zealand ramps is "going broke" are simply wrong. But as Housing New Zealand ramps up But as Housing New Zealand ramps up its But as Housing New Zealand ramps up its large-scale But as Housing New Zealand ramps up its large-scale building But as Housing New Zealand ramps up its large-scale building programme, its large-scale building programme, of its large-scale building programme, of course, its large-scale building programme, of course, it its large-scale building programme, of course, it may its large-scale building programme, of course, it may need its large-scale building programme, of course, it may need more of course, it may need more Government of course, it may need more Government support, of course, it may need more Government support, because of course, it may need more Government support, because you Government support, because you wouldn't Government support, because you wouldn't expect Government support, because you wouldn't expect an Government support, because you wouldn't expect an organisation wouldn't expect an organisation that's wouldn't expect an organisation that's been wouldn't expect an organisation that's been building wouldn't expect an organisation that's been building 300 wouldn't expect an organisation that's been building 300 houses wouldn't expect an organisation that's been building 300 houses a that's been building 300 houses a year that's been building 300 houses a year to that's been building 300 houses a year to have that's been building 300 houses a year to have enough that's been building 300 houses a year to have enough cash that's been building 300 houses a year to have enough cash on that's been building 300 houses a year to have enough cash on its year to have enough cash on its balance year to have enough cash on its balance sheet year to have enough cash on its balance sheet to year to have enough cash on its balance sheet to finance year to have enough cash on its balance sheet to finance the balance sheet to finance the building balance sheet to finance the building of balance sheet to finance the building of 3,000 balance sheet to finance the building of 3,000 houses balance sheet to finance the building of 3,000 houses over balance sheet to finance the building of 3,000 houses over a balance sheet to finance the building of 3,000 houses over a few building of 3,000 houses over a few years. building of 3,000 houses over a few years. In building of 3,000 houses over a few years. In relation building of 3,000 houses over a few years. In relation to building of 3,000 houses over a few years. In relation to that building of 3,000 houses over a few years. In relation to that answer, years. In relation to that answer, then, years. In relation to that answer, then, what years. In relation to that answer, then, what is years. In relation to that answer, then, what is his years. In relation to that answer, then, what is his plan years. In relation to that answer, then, what is his plan to years. In relation to that answer, then, what is his plan to ensure then, what is his plan to ensure that then, what is his plan to ensure that Housing then, what is his plan to ensure that Housing New then, what is his plan to ensure that Housing New Zealand then, what is his plan to ensure that Housing New Zealand has then, what is his plan to ensure that Housing New Zealand has enough that Housing New Zealand has enough finance that Housing New Zealand has enough finance to that Housing New Zealand has enough finance to build that Housing New Zealand has enough finance to build the that Housing New Zealand has enough finance to build the 30,000 that Housing New Zealand has enough finance to build the 30,000 homes finance to build the 30,000 homes that finance to build the 30,000 homes that he's finance to build the 30,000 homes that he's promised? finance to build the 30,000 homes that he's promised? Mr finance to build the 30,000 homes that he's promised? Mr Speaker, finance to build the 30,000 homes that he's promised? Mr Speaker, the that he's promised? Mr Speaker, the plan that he's promised? Mr Speaker, the plan is that he's promised? Mr Speaker, the plan is that that he's promised? Mr Speaker, the plan is that Housing that he's promised? Mr Speaker, the plan is that Housing New that he's promised? Mr Speaker, the plan is that Housing New Zealand plan is that Housing New Zealand will plan is that Housing New Zealand will complete plan is that Housing New Zealand will complete detailed plan is that Housing New Zealand will complete detailed planning plan is that Housing New Zealand will complete detailed planning of will complete detailed planning of the will complete detailed planning of the next will complete detailed planning of the next tranche will complete detailed planning of the next tranche of will complete detailed planning of the next tranche of developments, will complete detailed planning of the next tranche of developments, in the next tranche of developments, in addition the next tranche of developments, in addition to the next tranche of developments, in addition to those the next tranche of developments, in addition to those that the next tranche of developments, in addition to those that are the next tranche of developments, in addition to those that are already addition to those that are already under addition to those that are already under way, addition to those that are already under way, such addition to those that are already under way, such as addition to those that are already under way, such as the addition to those that are already under way, such as the 1,000-house under way, such as the 1,000-house Northcote under way, such as the 1,000-house Northcote development. under way, such as the 1,000-house Northcote development. They'll under way, such as the 1,000-house Northcote development. They'll also Northcote development. They'll also need Northcote development. They'll also need to Northcote development. They'll also need to complete, Northcote development. They'll also need to complete, over Northcote development. They'll also need to complete, over the Northcote development. They'll also need to complete, over the next Northcote development. They'll also need to complete, over the next few need to complete, over the next few months, need to complete, over the next few months, detailed need to complete, over the next few months, detailed financial need to complete, over the next few months, detailed financial analysis months, detailed financial analysis to months, detailed financial analysis to show months, detailed financial analysis to show just months, detailed financial analysis to show just what months, detailed financial analysis to show just what funding months, detailed financial analysis to show just what funding they months, detailed financial analysis to show just what funding they need, to show just what funding they need, given to show just what funding they need, given that to show just what funding they need, given that they to show just what funding they need, given that they can to show just what funding they need, given that they can source to show just what funding they need, given that they can source funding given that they can source funding from, given that they can source funding from, for given that they can source funding from, for instance, given that they can source funding from, for instance, sales given that they can source funding from, for instance, sales of given that they can source funding from, for instance, sales of surplus from, for instance, sales of surplus houses from, for instance, sales of surplus houses to from, for instance, sales of surplus houses to the from, for instance, sales of surplus houses to the market. from, for instance, sales of surplus houses to the market. When from, for instance, sales of surplus houses to the market. When they from, for instance, sales of surplus houses to the market. When they have houses to the market. When they have done houses to the market. When they have done a houses to the market. When they have done a proper houses to the market. When they have done a proper job houses to the market. When they have done a proper job of houses to the market. When they have done a proper job of that, houses to the market. When they have done a proper job of that, the done a proper job of that, the Government done a proper job of that, the Government will done a proper job of that, the Government will then done a proper job of that, the Government will then consider Government will then consider applying Government will then consider applying more Government will then consider applying more taxpayers Government will then consider applying more taxpayers funds Government will then consider applying more taxpayers funds to Government will then consider applying more taxpayers funds to it. applying more taxpayers funds to it. But applying more taxpayers funds to it. But we're applying more taxpayers funds to it. But we're not applying more taxpayers funds to it. But we're not just applying more taxpayers funds to it. But we're not just going applying more taxpayers funds to it. But we're not just going to applying more taxpayers funds to it. But we're not just going to hand But we're not just going to hand them But we're not just going to hand them hundreds But we're not just going to hand them hundreds of But we're not just going to hand them hundreds of millions But we're not just going to hand them hundreds of millions and But we're not just going to hand them hundreds of millions and hope them hundreds of millions and hope they them hundreds of millions and hope they do them hundreds of millions and hope they do a them hundreds of millions and hope they do a good them hundreds of millions and hope they do a good job. them hundreds of millions and hope they do a good job. Order! they do a good job. Order! Supplementary they do a good job. Order! Supplementary question, they do a good job. Order! Supplementary question, James they do a good job. Order! Supplementary question, James Shaw. Supplementary question, James Shaw. For Supplementary question, James Shaw. For a Supplementary question, James Shaw. For a Government Supplementary question, James Shaw. For a Government that Supplementary question, James Shaw. For a Government that prides Supplementary question, James Shaw. For a Government that prides itself For a Government that prides itself on For a Government that prides itself on economic For a Government that prides itself on economic acumen, For a Government that prides itself on economic acumen, how For a Government that prides itself on economic acumen, how can For a Government that prides itself on economic acumen, how can he on economic acumen, how can he rationalise on economic acumen, how can he rationalise ignoring on economic acumen, how can he rationalise ignoring Treasury on economic acumen, how can he rationalise ignoring Treasury advice rationalise ignoring Treasury advice and rationalise ignoring Treasury advice and allowing rationalise ignoring Treasury advice and allowing the rationalise ignoring Treasury advice and allowing the near-collapse rationalise ignoring Treasury advice and allowing the near-collapse of and allowing the near-collapse of one and allowing the near-collapse of one of and allowing the near-collapse of one of the and allowing the near-collapse of one of the country's and allowing the near-collapse of one of the country's most and allowing the near-collapse of one of the country's most important one of the country's most important pieces one of the country's most important pieces of one of the country's most important pieces of social one of the country's most important pieces of social infrastructure? one of the country's most important pieces of social infrastructure? If pieces of social infrastructure? If the pieces of social infrastructure? If the member pieces of social infrastructure? If the member wants pieces of social infrastructure? If the member wants to pieces of social infrastructure? If the member wants to burnish pieces of social infrastructure? If the member wants to burnish his the member wants to burnish his credentials the member wants to burnish his credentials as the member wants to burnish his credentials as an the member wants to burnish his credentials as an economic credentials as an economic spokesman, credentials as an economic spokesman, I credentials as an economic spokesman, I suggest credentials as an economic spokesman, I suggest he credentials as an economic spokesman, I suggest he consider credentials as an economic spokesman, I suggest he consider his spokesman, I suggest he consider his description spokesman, I suggest he consider his description of spokesman, I suggest he consider his description of the spokesman, I suggest he consider his description of the current spokesman, I suggest he consider his description of the current state spokesman, I suggest he consider his description of the current state of description of the current state of Housing description of the current state of Housing New description of the current state of Housing New Zealand description of the current state of Housing New Zealand - description of the current state of Housing New Zealand - it's Housing New Zealand - it's ridiculous. Housing New Zealand - it's ridiculous. Just Housing New Zealand - it's ridiculous. Just ridiculous. Housing New Zealand - it's ridiculous. Just ridiculous. There ridiculous. Just ridiculous. There is ridiculous. Just ridiculous. There is no... ridiculous. Just ridiculous. There is no... There ridiculous. Just ridiculous. There is no... There is ridiculous. Just ridiculous. There is no... There is no ridiculous. Just ridiculous. There is no... There is no reason ridiculous. Just ridiculous. There is no... There is no reason to is no... There is no reason to believe is no... There is no reason to believe that is no... There is no reason to believe that Housing is no... There is no reason to believe that Housing New is no... There is no reason to believe that Housing New Zealand is no... There is no reason to believe that Housing New Zealand is believe that Housing New Zealand is under believe that Housing New Zealand is under financial believe that Housing New Zealand is under financial strain, believe that Housing New Zealand is under financial strain, going believe that Housing New Zealand is under financial strain, going broke, under financial strain, going broke, and under financial strain, going broke, and it's under financial strain, going broke, and it's absolutely under financial strain, going broke, and it's absolutely nowhere under financial strain, going broke, and it's absolutely nowhere near and it's absolutely nowhere near near-collapse. and it's absolutely nowhere near near-collapse. Collapse and it's absolutely nowhere near near-collapse. Collapse is and it's absolutely nowhere near near-collapse. Collapse is what near-collapse. Collapse is what happened near-collapse. Collapse is what happened to near-collapse. Collapse is what happened to Solid near-collapse. Collapse is what happened to Solid Energy, near-collapse. Collapse is what happened to Solid Energy, not near-collapse. Collapse is what happened to Solid Energy, not what happened to Solid Energy, not what happens... happened to Solid Energy, not what happens... <INTERRUPTION> happens... <INTERRUPTION> Order! happens... <INTERRUPTION> Order! Not happens... <INTERRUPTION> Order! Not what happens... <INTERRUPTION> Order! Not what happens happens... <INTERRUPTION> Order! Not what happens to happens... <INTERRUPTION> Order! Not what happens to Housing Order! Not what happens to Housing New Order! Not what happens to Housing New Zealand Order! Not what happens to Housing New Zealand that Order! Not what happens to Housing New Zealand that has Order! Not what happens to Housing New Zealand that has $20 Order! Not what happens to Housing New Zealand that has $20 billion Order! Not what happens to Housing New Zealand that has $20 billion of New Zealand that has $20 billion of assets New Zealand that has $20 billion of assets and New Zealand that has $20 billion of assets and about New Zealand that has $20 billion of assets and about $4 New Zealand that has $20 billion of assets and about $4 billion New Zealand that has $20 billion of assets and about $4 billion of New Zealand that has $20 billion of assets and about $4 billion of debt. assets and about $4 billion of debt. Order! assets and about $4 billion of debt. Order! Supplementary assets and about $4 billion of debt. Order! Supplementary question, assets and about $4 billion of debt. Order! Supplementary question, James Order! Supplementary question, James Shaw. Order! Supplementary question, James Shaw. On Order! Supplementary question, James Shaw. On that Order! Supplementary question, James Shaw. On that note, Order! Supplementary question, James Shaw. On that note, does Order! Supplementary question, James Shaw. On that note, does he Order! Supplementary question, James Shaw. On that note, does he consider Shaw. On that note, does he consider it Shaw. On that note, does he consider it good Shaw. On that note, does he consider it good economic Shaw. On that note, does he consider it good economic management Shaw. On that note, does he consider it good economic management to it good economic management to squeeze it good economic management to squeeze Government it good economic management to squeeze Government entities it good economic management to squeeze Government entities like squeeze Government entities like Solid squeeze Government entities like Solid Energy, squeeze Government entities like Solid Energy, Radio squeeze Government entities like Solid Energy, Radio New squeeze Government entities like Solid Energy, Radio New Zealand, Solid Energy, Radio New Zealand, KiwiRail, Solid Energy, Radio New Zealand, KiwiRail, New Solid Energy, Radio New Zealand, KiwiRail, New Zealandpist Solid Energy, Radio New Zealand, KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and Solid Energy, Radio New Zealand, KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and now KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and now Housing KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and now Housing New KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and now Housing New Zealand KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and now Housing New Zealand to KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and now Housing New Zealand to the KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and now Housing New Zealand to the -- KiwiRail, New Zealandpist and now Housing New Zealand to the -- New Housing New Zealand to the -- New Zealand Housing New Zealand to the -- New Zealand Post Housing New Zealand to the -- New Zealand Post and Housing New Zealand to the -- New Zealand Post and now Housing New Zealand to the -- New Zealand Post and now Housing Housing New Zealand to the -- New Zealand Post and now Housing New Zealand Post and now Housing New Zealand Zealand Post and now Housing New Zealand to Zealand Post and now Housing New Zealand to the Zealand Post and now Housing New Zealand to the breaking Zealand Post and now Housing New Zealand to the breaking point? Zealand Post and now Housing New Zealand to the breaking point? If Zealand to the breaking point? If so, Zealand to the breaking point? If so, which Zealand to the breaking point? If so, which Government Zealand to the breaking point? If so, which Government entity Zealand to the breaking point? If so, which Government entity is Zealand to the breaking point? If so, which Government entity is next? so, which Government entity is next? Even so, which Government entity is next? Even the so, which Government entity is next? Even the media so, which Government entity is next? Even the media has so, which Government entity is next? Even the media has seen so, which Government entity is next? Even the media has seen fit so, which Government entity is next? Even the media has seen fit to Even the media has seen fit to withdraw Even the media has seen fit to withdraw the Even the media has seen fit to withdraw the story Even the media has seen fit to withdraw the story that Even the media has seen fit to withdraw the story that Housing Even the media has seen fit to withdraw the story that Housing New withdraw the story that Housing New Zealand withdraw the story that Housing New Zealand is withdraw the story that Housing New Zealand is going withdraw the story that Housing New Zealand is going broke withdraw the story that Housing New Zealand is going broke because withdraw the story that Housing New Zealand is going broke because it withdraw the story that Housing New Zealand is going broke because it is Zealand is going broke because it is wrong. Zealand is going broke because it is wrong. And Zealand is going broke because it is wrong. And unfortunately, Zealand is going broke because it is wrong. And unfortunately, it's wrong. And unfortunately, it's caused wrong. And unfortunately, it's caused unnecessary wrong. And unfortunately, it's caused unnecessary distress, caused unnecessary distress, particularly caused unnecessary distress, particularly to caused unnecessary distress, particularly to staff caused unnecessary distress, particularly to staff of caused unnecessary distress, particularly to staff of the particularly to staff of the organisation particularly to staff of the organisation who, particularly to staff of the organisation who, understandably, organisation who, understandably, were organisation who, understandably, were astounded organisation who, understandably, were astounded and organisation who, understandably, were astounded and bewildered organisation who, understandably, were astounded and bewildered at organisation who, understandably, were astounded and bewildered at the were astounded and bewildered at the assertion. were astounded and bewildered at the assertion. Unfortunately, were astounded and bewildered at the assertion. Unfortunately, the assertion. Unfortunately, the member's assertion. Unfortunately, the member's taking assertion. Unfortunately, the member's taking it assertion. Unfortunately, the member's taking it further assertion. Unfortunately, the member's taking it further by assertion. Unfortunately, the member's taking it further by saying member's taking it further by saying that member's taking it further by saying that it's member's taking it further by saying that it's near-collapse. member's taking it further by saying that it's near-collapse. That member's taking it further by saying that it's near-collapse. That is member's taking it further by saying that it's near-collapse. That is an that it's near-collapse. That is an absolutely that it's near-collapse. That is an absolutely ridiculous that it's near-collapse. That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. that it's near-collapse. That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. So absolutely ridiculous statement. So why absolutely ridiculous statement. So why didn't absolutely ridiculous statement. So why didn't he absolutely ridiculous statement. So why didn't he invest absolutely ridiculous statement. So why didn't he invest more absolutely ridiculous statement. So why didn't he invest more in absolutely ridiculous statement. So why didn't he invest more in Housing why didn't he invest more in Housing New why didn't he invest more in Housing New Zealand why didn't he invest more in Housing New Zealand back why didn't he invest more in Housing New Zealand back in why didn't he invest more in Housing New Zealand back in 2009 why didn't he invest more in Housing New Zealand back in 2009 so why didn't he invest more in Housing New Zealand back in 2009 so that why didn't he invest more in Housing New Zealand back in 2009 so that it New Zealand back in 2009 so that it could New Zealand back in 2009 so that it could build New Zealand back in 2009 so that it could build houses, New Zealand back in 2009 so that it could build houses, provide New Zealand back in 2009 so that it could build houses, provide jobs could build houses, provide jobs during could build houses, provide jobs during the could build houses, provide jobs during the recession, could build houses, provide jobs during the recession, build could build houses, provide jobs during the recession, build up during the recession, build up housing during the recession, build up housing stock during the recession, build up housing stock and during the recession, build up housing stock and its during the recession, build up housing stock and its balance during the recession, build up housing stock and its balance sheet housing stock and its balance sheet for housing stock and its balance sheet for when housing stock and its balance sheet for when demand housing stock and its balance sheet for when demand inevitably housing stock and its balance sheet for when demand inevitably picked for when demand inevitably picked up? for when demand inevitably picked up? As for when demand inevitably picked up? As I for when demand inevitably picked up? As I explained for when demand inevitably picked up? As I explained to for when demand inevitably picked up? As I explained to the for when demand inevitably picked up? As I explained to the House up? As I explained to the House yesterday, up? As I explained to the House yesterday, the up? As I explained to the House yesterday, the Government up? As I explained to the House yesterday, the Government did yesterday, the Government did exactly yesterday, the Government did exactly that, yesterday, the Government did exactly that, because yesterday, the Government did exactly that, because Housing yesterday, the Government did exactly that, because Housing New exactly that, because Housing New Zealand exactly that, because Housing New Zealand had exactly that, because Housing New Zealand had to exactly that, because Housing New Zealand had to run exactly that, because Housing New Zealand had to run a exactly that, because Housing New Zealand had to run a large-scale Zealand had to run a large-scale rebuilding Zealand had to run a large-scale rebuilding and Zealand had to run a large-scale rebuilding and repairing Zealand had to run a large-scale rebuilding and repairing programme rebuilding and repairing programme in rebuilding and repairing programme in Christchurch. rebuilding and repairing programme in Christchurch. Now, rebuilding and repairing programme in Christchurch. Now, I rebuilding and repairing programme in Christchurch. Now, I know rebuilding and repairing programme in Christchurch. Now, I know members in Christchurch. Now, I know members of in Christchurch. Now, I know members of the in Christchurch. Now, I know members of the Opposition in Christchurch. Now, I know members of the Opposition probably in Christchurch. Now, I know members of the Opposition probably didn't of the Opposition probably didn't notice of the Opposition probably didn't notice the of the Opposition probably didn't notice the earthquake of the Opposition probably didn't notice the earthquake - of the Opposition probably didn't notice the earthquake - they notice the earthquake - they probably notice the earthquake - they probably didn't notice the earthquake - they probably didn't notice notice the earthquake - they probably didn't notice it, notice the earthquake - they probably didn't notice it, but notice the earthquake - they probably didn't notice it, but we probably didn't notice it, but we had probably didn't notice it, but we had to probably didn't notice it, but we had to build probably didn't notice it, but we had to build 800 probably didn't notice it, but we had to build 800 new probably didn't notice it, but we had to build 800 new houses probably didn't notice it, but we had to build 800 new houses and had to build 800 new houses and repair had to build 800 new houses and repair 5,000. had to build 800 new houses and repair 5,000. So had to build 800 new houses and repair 5,000. So it had to build 800 new houses and repair 5,000. So it was had to build 800 new houses and repair 5,000. So it was a repair 5,000. So it was a large-scale repair 5,000. So it was a large-scale building repair 5,000. So it was a large-scale building programme, repair 5,000. So it was a large-scale building programme, and large-scale building programme, and those large-scale building programme, and those skills large-scale building programme, and those skills are large-scale building programme, and those skills are now large-scale building programme, and those skills are now being those skills are now being transferred those skills are now being transferred to those skills are now being transferred to the those skills are now being transferred to the Auckland transferred to the Auckland large-scale transferred to the Auckland large-scale building transferred to the Auckland large-scale building programme. large-scale building programme. Given large-scale building programme. Given the large-scale building programme. Given the obvious large-scale building programme. Given the obvious economic large-scale building programme. Given the obvious economic drag large-scale building programme. Given the obvious economic drag of Given the obvious economic drag of the Given the obvious economic drag of the housing Given the obvious economic drag of the housing crisis, Given the obvious economic drag of the housing crisis, why Given the obvious economic drag of the housing crisis, why is Given the obvious economic drag of the housing crisis, why is he the housing crisis, why is he continuing the housing crisis, why is he continuing to the housing crisis, why is he continuing to treat the housing crisis, why is he continuing to treat housing continuing to treat housing primarily continuing to treat housing primarily as continuing to treat housing primarily as a continuing to treat housing primarily as a class continuing to treat housing primarily as a class of continuing to treat housing primarily as a class of investment primarily as a class of investment asset, primarily as a class of investment asset, rather primarily as a class of investment asset, rather than primarily as a class of investment asset, rather than essential primarily as a class of investment asset, rather than essential social asset, rather than essential social infrastructure asset, rather than essential social infrastructure that asset, rather than essential social infrastructure that underpins asset, rather than essential social infrastructure that underpins the infrastructure that underpins the country's infrastructure that underpins the country's success? infrastructure that underpins the country's success? Well, infrastructure that underpins the country's success? Well, Mr infrastructure that underpins the country's success? Well, Mr Speaker, country's success? Well, Mr Speaker, the country's success? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government, country's success? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government, of country's success? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government, of course, country's success? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government, of course, is country's success? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government, of course, is an the Government, of course, is an owner the Government, of course, is an owner of the Government, of course, is an owner of a the Government, of course, is an owner of a large the Government, of course, is an owner of a large chunk the Government, of course, is an owner of a large chunk - the Government, of course, is an owner of a large chunk - in the Government, of course, is an owner of a large chunk - in fact, the Government, of course, is an owner of a large chunk - in fact, 1 owner of a large chunk - in fact, 1 in owner of a large chunk - in fact, 1 in every owner of a large chunk - in fact, 1 in every 16 owner of a large chunk - in fact, 1 in every 16 houses owner of a large chunk - in fact, 1 in every 16 houses in owner of a large chunk - in fact, 1 in every 16 houses in New owner of a large chunk - in fact, 1 in every 16 houses in New Zealand. in every 16 houses in New Zealand. We're in every 16 houses in New Zealand. We're applying in every 16 houses in New Zealand. We're applying ourselves in every 16 houses in New Zealand. We're applying ourselves to in every 16 houses in New Zealand. We're applying ourselves to a We're applying ourselves to a probably We're applying ourselves to a probably 10-year We're applying ourselves to a probably 10-year programme We're applying ourselves to a probably 10-year programme to probably 10-year programme to upgrade probably 10-year programme to upgrade the probably 10-year programme to upgrade the housing. probably 10-year programme to upgrade the housing. In probably 10-year programme to upgrade the housing. In fact, upgrade the housing. In fact, redevelop upgrade the housing. In fact, redevelop whole upgrade the housing. In fact, redevelop whole communities, upgrade the housing. In fact, redevelop whole communities, such upgrade the housing. In fact, redevelop whole communities, such as redevelop whole communities, such as is redevelop whole communities, such as is happening redevelop whole communities, such as is happening in redevelop whole communities, such as is happening in Tamaki, redevelop whole communities, such as is happening in Tamaki, and redevelop whole communities, such as is happening in Tamaki, and could is happening in Tamaki, and could happen is happening in Tamaki, and could happen in is happening in Tamaki, and could happen in another is happening in Tamaki, and could happen in another dozen is happening in Tamaki, and could happen in another dozen or is happening in Tamaki, and could happen in another dozen or 15 happen in another dozen or 15 communities. happen in another dozen or 15 communities. Auckland happen in another dozen or 15 communities. Auckland Council happen in another dozen or 15 communities. Auckland Council have communities. Auckland Council have finally communities. Auckland Council have finally realised communities. Auckland Council have finally realised this communities. Auckland Council have finally realised this is communities. Auckland Council have finally realised this is an finally realised this is an important finally realised this is an important asset finally realised this is an important asset class finally realised this is an important asset class for finally realised this is an important asset class for the important asset class for the community important asset class for the community and important asset class for the community and for important asset class for the community and for social important asset class for the community and for social benefit, community and for social benefit, and community and for social benefit, and they've community and for social benefit, and they've produced community and for social benefit, and they've produced a community and for social benefit, and they've produced a plan community and for social benefit, and they've produced a plan that and they've produced a plan that allows, and they've produced a plan that allows, now, and they've produced a plan that allows, now, the and they've produced a plan that allows, now, the supply and they've produced a plan that allows, now, the supply of and they've produced a plan that allows, now, the supply of more allows, now, the supply of more housing allows, now, the supply of more housing as allows, now, the supply of more housing as is allows, now, the supply of more housing as is required. allows, now, the supply of more housing as is required. Does allows, now, the supply of more housing as is required. Does he housing as is required. Does he believe housing as is required. Does he believe that housing as is required. Does he believe that the housing as is required. Does he believe that the purpose housing as is required. Does he believe that the purpose of housing as is required. Does he believe that the purpose of Housing believe that the purpose of Housing New believe that the purpose of Housing New Zealand believe that the purpose of Housing New Zealand should believe that the purpose of Housing New Zealand should be believe that the purpose of Housing New Zealand should be to believe that the purpose of Housing New Zealand should be to ensure believe that the purpose of Housing New Zealand should be to ensure that New Zealand should be to ensure that nobody New Zealand should be to ensure that nobody goes New Zealand should be to ensure that nobody goes homeless New Zealand should be to ensure that nobody goes homeless in New Zealand should be to ensure that nobody goes homeless in New New Zealand should be to ensure that nobody goes homeless in New Zealand? nobody goes homeless in New Zealand? And nobody goes homeless in New Zealand? And if nobody goes homeless in New Zealand? And if not, nobody goes homeless in New Zealand? And if not, why nobody goes homeless in New Zealand? And if not, why not? nobody goes homeless in New Zealand? And if not, why not? Housing nobody goes homeless in New Zealand? And if not, why not? Housing New And if not, why not? Housing New Zealand And if not, why not? Housing New Zealand plays And if not, why not? Housing New Zealand plays a And if not, why not? Housing New Zealand plays a role And if not, why not? Housing New Zealand plays a role in And if not, why not? Housing New Zealand plays a role in that, And if not, why not? Housing New Zealand plays a role in that, but Zealand plays a role in that, but the Zealand plays a role in that, but the member Zealand plays a role in that, but the member may Zealand plays a role in that, but the member may be Zealand plays a role in that, but the member may be interested Zealand plays a role in that, but the member may be interested to Zealand plays a role in that, but the member may be interested to know the member may be interested to know there the member may be interested to know there are the member may be interested to know there are significant the member may be interested to know there are significant number the member may be interested to know there are significant number of there are significant number of other there are significant number of other organisations there are significant number of other organisations who there are significant number of other organisations who have, there are significant number of other organisations who have, over other organisations who have, over the other organisations who have, over the last other organisations who have, over the last two other organisations who have, over the last two years, other organisations who have, over the last two years, worked other organisations who have, over the last two years, worked closely the last two years, worked closely with the last two years, worked closely with the the last two years, worked closely with the Government the last two years, worked closely with the Government and the last two years, worked closely with the Government and the the last two years, worked closely with the Government and the Minister with the Government and the Minister of with the Government and the Minister of Social with the Government and the Minister of Social Housing with the Government and the Minister of Social Housing to with the Government and the Minister of Social Housing to ensure with the Government and the Minister of Social Housing to ensure that, of Social Housing to ensure that, for of Social Housing to ensure that, for the of Social Housing to ensure that, for the first of Social Housing to ensure that, for the first time, of Social Housing to ensure that, for the first time, New of Social Housing to ensure that, for the first time, New Zealand of Social Housing to ensure that, for the first time, New Zealand has for the first time, New Zealand has an for the first time, New Zealand has an established for the first time, New Zealand has an established and for the first time, New Zealand has an established and well-funded an established and well-funded emergency an established and well-funded emergency housing an established and well-funded emergency housing set-up an established and well-funded emergency housing set-up that emergency housing set-up that follows emergency housing set-up that follows the emergency housing set-up that follows the principles emergency housing set-up that follows the principles - emergency housing set-up that follows the principles - which emergency housing set-up that follows the principles - which I follows the principles - which I know follows the principles - which I know the follows the principles - which I know the member follows the principles - which I know the member endorses follows the principles - which I know the member endorses - follows the principles - which I know the member endorses - of know the member endorses - of home-first know the member endorses - of home-first to know the member endorses - of home-first to solve know the member endorses - of home-first to solve the know the member endorses - of home-first to solve the problems know the member endorses - of home-first to solve the problems of home-first to solve the problems of homelessness home-first to solve the problems of homelessness one home-first to solve the problems of homelessness one by home-first to solve the problems of homelessness one by one home-first to solve the problems of homelessness one by one for home-first to solve the problems of homelessness one by one for those homelessness one by one for those most homelessness one by one for those most severely homelessness one by one for those most severely affected. homelessness one by one for those most severely affected. Question homelessness one by one for those most severely affected. Question No. most severely affected. Question No. 2, most severely affected. Question No. 2, David most severely affected. Question No. 2, David Bennett. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Minister of Finance: What Minister of Finance: What reports Minister of Finance: What reports has Minister of Finance: What reports has he Minister of Finance: What reports has he received What reports has he received on What reports has he received on the What reports has he received on the Crown's What reports has he received on the Crown's finances? Well, Well, Mr Well, Mr Speaker, Well, Mr Speaker, some Well, Mr Speaker, some surprisingly Well, Mr Speaker, some surprisingly good Well, Mr Speaker, some surprisingly good reports. Well, Mr Speaker, some surprisingly good reports. Today, Well, Mr Speaker, some surprisingly good reports. Today, the Well, Mr Speaker, some surprisingly good reports. Today, the financial good reports. Today, the financial statements good reports. Today, the financial statements of good reports. Today, the financial statements of the good reports. Today, the financial statements of the Government good reports. Today, the financial statements of the Government were statements of the Government were released statements of the Government were released for statements of the Government were released for the statements of the Government were released for the '15/'16 statements of the Government were released for the '15/'16 year. statements of the Government were released for the '15/'16 year. They released for the '15/'16 year. They report released for the '15/'16 year. They report a released for the '15/'16 year. They report a surplus released for the '15/'16 year. They report a surplus of released for the '15/'16 year. They report a surplus of $1.8 released for the '15/'16 year. They report a surplus of $1.8 billion. report a surplus of $1.8 billion. This report a surplus of $1.8 billion. This is report a surplus of $1.8 billion. This is $1.2 report a surplus of $1.8 billion. This is $1.2 billion report a surplus of $1.8 billion. This is $1.2 billion higher report a surplus of $1.8 billion. This is $1.2 billion higher than report a surplus of $1.8 billion. This is $1.2 billion higher than was This is $1.2 billion higher than was forecast This is $1.2 billion higher than was forecast in This is $1.2 billion higher than was forecast in the This is $1.2 billion higher than was forecast in the Budget This is $1.2 billion higher than was forecast in the Budget just This is $1.2 billion higher than was forecast in the Budget just a This is $1.2 billion higher than was forecast in the Budget just a few forecast in the Budget just a few months forecast in the Budget just a few months ago. forecast in the Budget just a few months ago. Revenues forecast in the Budget just a few months ago. Revenues were forecast in the Budget just a few months ago. Revenues were about forecast in the Budget just a few months ago. Revenues were about $1.6 months ago. Revenues were about $1.6 billion months ago. Revenues were about $1.6 billion higher months ago. Revenues were about $1.6 billion higher than months ago. Revenues were about $1.6 billion higher than forecast, months ago. Revenues were about $1.6 billion higher than forecast, and billion higher than forecast, and expenses billion higher than forecast, and expenses $600 billion higher than forecast, and expenses $600 million billion higher than forecast, and expenses $600 million lower billion higher than forecast, and expenses $600 million lower than expenses $600 million lower than forecast expenses $600 million lower than forecast in expenses $600 million lower than forecast in Budget expenses $600 million lower than forecast in Budget 2016. expenses $600 million lower than forecast in Budget 2016. Total expenses $600 million lower than forecast in Budget 2016. Total Crown forecast in Budget 2016. Total Crown assets forecast in Budget 2016. Total Crown assets have forecast in Budget 2016. Total Crown assets have now forecast in Budget 2016. Total Crown assets have now increased forecast in Budget 2016. Total Crown assets have now increased to forecast in Budget 2016. Total Crown assets have now increased to $293 assets have now increased to $293 billion, assets have now increased to $293 billion, the assets have now increased to $293 billion, the highest assets have now increased to $293 billion, the highest ever, assets have now increased to $293 billion, the highest ever, and assets have now increased to $293 billion, the highest ever, and the billion, the highest ever, and the Government billion, the highest ever, and the Government is billion, the highest ever, and the Government is on billion, the highest ever, and the Government is on track billion, the highest ever, and the Government is on track to billion, the highest ever, and the Government is on track to reduce Government is on track to reduce debt Government is on track to reduce debt to Government is on track to reduce debt to 20% Government is on track to reduce debt to 20% of Government is on track to reduce debt to 20% of GDP. Government is on track to reduce debt to 20% of GDP. <INTERRUPTION> debt to 20% of GDP. <INTERRUPTION> Order! debt to 20% of GDP. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary debt to 20% of GDP. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, debt to 20% of GDP. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, David Order! Supplementary question, David Bennett. Bennett. What Bennett. What have Bennett. What have been Bennett. What have been the Bennett. What have been the main Bennett. What have been the main drivers Bennett. What have been the main drivers of What have been the main drivers of improvement What have been the main drivers of improvement in What have been the main drivers of improvement in the What have been the main drivers of improvement in the Government's improvement in the Government's accounts? improvement in the Government's accounts? The improvement in the Government's accounts? The financial improvement in the Government's accounts? The financial statements accounts? The financial statements show accounts? The financial statements show that accounts? The financial statements show that tax accounts? The financial statements show that tax revenue accounts? The financial statements show that tax revenue increased accounts? The financial statements show that tax revenue increased by show that tax revenue increased by $3.8 show that tax revenue increased by $3.8 billion, show that tax revenue increased by $3.8 billion, and show that tax revenue increased by $3.8 billion, and expenditure show that tax revenue increased by $3.8 billion, and expenditure grew $3.8 billion, and expenditure grew by $3.8 billion, and expenditure grew by $1.6 $3.8 billion, and expenditure grew by $1.6 billion. $3.8 billion, and expenditure grew by $1.6 billion. That $3.8 billion, and expenditure grew by $1.6 billion. That accounts $3.8 billion, and expenditure grew by $1.6 billion. That accounts for by $1.6 billion. That accounts for the by $1.6 billion. That accounts for the growth by $1.6 billion. That accounts for the growth in by $1.6 billion. That accounts for the growth in the by $1.6 billion. That accounts for the growth in the surplus. the growth in the surplus. Interestingly, the growth in the surplus. Interestingly, the the growth in the surplus. Interestingly, the $3. the growth in the surplus. Interestingly, the $3. 8 the growth in the surplus. Interestingly, the $3. 8 billion Interestingly, the $3. 8 billion increase Interestingly, the $3. 8 billion increase in Interestingly, the $3. 8 billion increase in tax Interestingly, the $3. 8 billion increase in tax revenue Interestingly, the $3. 8 billion increase in tax revenue consists Interestingly, the $3. 8 billion increase in tax revenue consists of increase in tax revenue consists of $1.2 increase in tax revenue consists of $1.2 billion increase in tax revenue consists of $1.2 billion growth increase in tax revenue consists of $1.2 billion growth from increase in tax revenue consists of $1.2 billion growth from wages increase in tax revenue consists of $1.2 billion growth from wages and $1.2 billion growth from wages and salaries, $1.2 billion growth from wages and salaries, which $1.2 billion growth from wages and salaries, which indicates $1.2 billion growth from wages and salaries, which indicates that, salaries, which indicates that, despite salaries, which indicates that, despite the salaries, which indicates that, despite the Opposition's salaries, which indicates that, despite the Opposition's criticisms, despite the Opposition's criticisms, wages despite the Opposition's criticisms, wages and despite the Opposition's criticisms, wages and salaries despite the Opposition's criticisms, wages and salaries in despite the Opposition's criticisms, wages and salaries in New despite the Opposition's criticisms, wages and salaries in New Zealand wages and salaries in New Zealand are wages and salaries in New Zealand are increasing wages and salaries in New Zealand are increasing faster wages and salaries in New Zealand are increasing faster than wages and salaries in New Zealand are increasing faster than was are increasing faster than was budgeted. are increasing faster than was budgeted. The are increasing faster than was budgeted. The corporate are increasing faster than was budgeted. The corporate tax are increasing faster than was budgeted. The corporate tax take are increasing faster than was budgeted. The corporate tax take was budgeted. The corporate tax take was almost budgeted. The corporate tax take was almost $1 budgeted. The corporate tax take was almost $1 billion budgeted. The corporate tax take was almost $1 billion higher, budgeted. The corporate tax take was almost $1 billion higher, and budgeted. The corporate tax take was almost $1 billion higher, and GST almost $1 billion higher, and GST was almost $1 billion higher, and GST was around almost $1 billion higher, and GST was around $1 almost $1 billion higher, and GST was around $1 billion almost $1 billion higher, and GST was around $1 billion higher. almost $1 billion higher, and GST was around $1 billion higher. What was around $1 billion higher. What are was around $1 billion higher. What are the was around $1 billion higher. What are the Government's was around $1 billion higher. What are the Government's fiscal are the Government's fiscal priorities, are the Government's fiscal priorities, and are the Government's fiscal priorities, and how are the Government's fiscal priorities, and how is are the Government's fiscal priorities, and how is the priorities, and how is the Government priorities, and how is the Government balancing priorities, and how is the Government balancing increasing Government balancing increasing investment Government balancing increasing investment and Government balancing increasing investment and public Government balancing increasing investment and public infrastructure investment and public infrastructure with investment and public infrastructure with debt investment and public infrastructure with debt repayment? investment and public infrastructure with debt repayment? Order! investment and public infrastructure with debt repayment? Order! Our with debt repayment? Order! Our priorities with debt repayment? Order! Our priorities - with debt repayment? Order! Our priorities - which with debt repayment? Order! Our priorities - which were with debt repayment? Order! Our priorities - which were set with debt repayment? Order! Our priorities - which were set out with debt repayment? Order! Our priorities - which were set out in priorities - which were set out in the priorities - which were set out in the Budget priorities - which were set out in the Budget - priorities - which were set out in the Budget - are priorities - which were set out in the Budget - are to priorities - which were set out in the Budget - are to maintain priorities - which were set out in the Budget - are to maintain rising the Budget - are to maintain rising surpluses, the Budget - are to maintain rising surpluses, reduce the Budget - are to maintain rising surpluses, reduce net the Budget - are to maintain rising surpluses, reduce net debt the Budget - are to maintain rising surpluses, reduce net debt to the Budget - are to maintain rising surpluses, reduce net debt to 20% the Budget - are to maintain rising surpluses, reduce net debt to 20% of surpluses, reduce net debt to 20% of GDP, surpluses, reduce net debt to 20% of GDP, reduce surpluses, reduce net debt to 20% of GDP, reduce income surpluses, reduce net debt to 20% of GDP, reduce income taxes surpluses, reduce net debt to 20% of GDP, reduce income taxes if GDP, reduce income taxes if situations GDP, reduce income taxes if situations allow, GDP, reduce income taxes if situations allow, and GDP, reduce income taxes if situations allow, and to GDP, reduce income taxes if situations allow, and to reduce GDP, reduce income taxes if situations allow, and to reduce debt situations allow, and to reduce debt faster. situations allow, and to reduce debt faster. At situations allow, and to reduce debt faster. At the situations allow, and to reduce debt faster. At the same situations allow, and to reduce debt faster. At the same time, situations allow, and to reduce debt faster. At the same time, we're situations allow, and to reduce debt faster. At the same time, we're also faster. At the same time, we're also lifting faster. At the same time, we're also lifting the faster. At the same time, we're also lifting the investment faster. At the same time, we're also lifting the investment and faster. At the same time, we're also lifting the investment and public lifting the investment and public infrastructure, lifting the investment and public infrastructure, and lifting the investment and public infrastructure, and in lifting the investment and public infrastructure, and in fact lifting the investment and public infrastructure, and in fact the infrastructure, and in fact the Government's infrastructure, and in fact the Government's capital infrastructure, and in fact the Government's capital spend infrastructure, and in fact the Government's capital spend has Government's capital spend has almost Government's capital spend has almost doubled Government's capital spend has almost doubled since Government's capital spend has almost doubled since 2013, Government's capital spend has almost doubled since 2013, and Government's capital spend has almost doubled since 2013, and will almost doubled since 2013, and will be almost doubled since 2013, and will be maintained almost doubled since 2013, and will be maintained at almost doubled since 2013, and will be maintained at high almost doubled since 2013, and will be maintained at high levels almost doubled since 2013, and will be maintained at high levels when be maintained at high levels when you be maintained at high levels when you take be maintained at high levels when you take into be maintained at high levels when you take into account be maintained at high levels when you take into account commitments you take into account commitments such you take into account commitments such as you take into account commitments such as funding you take into account commitments such as funding half you take into account commitments such as funding half the you take into account commitments such as funding half the CRL you take into account commitments such as funding half the CRL project such as funding half the CRL project in such as funding half the CRL project in Auckland. With With reference With reference to With reference to that With reference to that last With reference to that last answer, With reference to that last answer, was With reference to that last answer, was the With reference to that last answer, was the order With reference to that last answer, was the order of With reference to that last answer, was the order of priorities With reference to that last answer, was the order of priorities he With reference to that last answer, was the order of priorities he gave was the order of priorities he gave for was the order of priorities he gave for the was the order of priorities he gave for the Government was the order of priorities he gave for the Government in was the order of priorities he gave for the Government in fiscal was the order of priorities he gave for the Government in fiscal terms for the Government in fiscal terms the for the Government in fiscal terms the order for the Government in fiscal terms the order he for the Government in fiscal terms the order he actually for the Government in fiscal terms the order he actually has for the Government in fiscal terms the order he actually has them? for the Government in fiscal terms the order he actually has them? IE for the Government in fiscal terms the order he actually has them? IE - the order he actually has them? IE - that the order he actually has them? IE - that tax the order he actually has them? IE - that tax cuts the order he actually has them? IE - that tax cuts come the order he actually has them? IE - that tax cuts come ahead the order he actually has them? IE - that tax cuts come ahead of the order he actually has them? IE - that tax cuts come ahead of lowering that tax cuts come ahead of lowering debt? that tax cuts come ahead of lowering debt? Well, that tax cuts come ahead of lowering debt? Well, Mr that tax cuts come ahead of lowering debt? Well, Mr Speaker, that tax cuts come ahead of lowering debt? Well, Mr Speaker, the debt? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government debt? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government will debt? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government will consider debt? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government will consider the debt? Well, Mr Speaker, the Government will consider the waiting Government will consider the waiting of Government will consider the waiting of the Government will consider the waiting of the -- Government will consider the waiting of the -- waiting Government will consider the waiting of the -- waiting of Government will consider the waiting of the -- waiting of the Government will consider the waiting of the -- waiting of the various of the -- waiting of the various choices of the -- waiting of the various choices we of the -- waiting of the various choices we have. of the -- waiting of the various choices we have. We're of the -- waiting of the various choices we have. We're one of the -- waiting of the various choices we have. We're one of of the -- waiting of the various choices we have. We're one of the choices we have. We're one of the few choices we have. We're one of the few countries choices we have. We're one of the few countries in choices we have. We're one of the few countries in the choices we have. We're one of the few countries in the developed choices we have. We're one of the few countries in the developed world few countries in the developed world that few countries in the developed world that has few countries in the developed world that has the few countries in the developed world that has the choices few countries in the developed world that has the choices of few countries in the developed world that has the choices of paying few countries in the developed world that has the choices of paying off that has the choices of paying off debt, that has the choices of paying off debt, improving that has the choices of paying off debt, improving public that has the choices of paying off debt, improving public services, debt, improving public services, investing debt, improving public services, investing in debt, improving public services, investing in infrastructure, debt, improving public services, investing in infrastructure, and investing in infrastructure, and your investing in infrastructure, and your member investing in infrastructure, and your member will investing in infrastructure, and your member will just investing in infrastructure, and your member will just have investing in infrastructure, and your member will just have to investing in infrastructure, and your member will just have to wait your member will just have to wait and your member will just have to wait and see. your member will just have to wait and see. Order! your member will just have to wait and see. Order! I'm your member will just have to wait and see. Order! I'm waiting your member will just have to wait and see. Order! I'm waiting as your member will just have to wait and see. Order! I'm waiting as well. and see. Order! I'm waiting as well. Supplementary and see. Order! I'm waiting as well. Supplementary question, and see. Order! I'm waiting as well. Supplementary question, David Supplementary question, David Bennett. Supplementary question, David Bennett. How Supplementary question, David Bennett. How do Supplementary question, David Bennett. How do New Supplementary question, David Bennett. How do New Zealand's Bennett. How do New Zealand's accounts Bennett. How do New Zealand's accounts compare Bennett. How do New Zealand's accounts compare with Bennett. How do New Zealand's accounts compare with those Bennett. How do New Zealand's accounts compare with those of Bennett. How do New Zealand's accounts compare with those of other accounts compare with those of other countries? accounts compare with those of other countries? Mr accounts compare with those of other countries? Mr Speaker, accounts compare with those of other countries? Mr Speaker, pretty accounts compare with those of other countries? Mr Speaker, pretty well. countries? Mr Speaker, pretty well. We're countries? Mr Speaker, pretty well. We're - countries? Mr Speaker, pretty well. We're - compared countries? Mr Speaker, pretty well. We're - compared to, countries? Mr Speaker, pretty well. We're - compared to, say, countries? Mr Speaker, pretty well. We're - compared to, say, Australia We're - compared to, say, Australia and We're - compared to, say, Australia and the We're - compared to, say, Australia and the UK, We're - compared to, say, Australia and the UK, we We're - compared to, say, Australia and the UK, we have We're - compared to, say, Australia and the UK, we have a We're - compared to, say, Australia and the UK, we have a surplus, We're - compared to, say, Australia and the UK, we have a surplus, say, and the UK, we have a surplus, say, of and the UK, we have a surplus, say, of significant and the UK, we have a surplus, say, of significant deficits, and the UK, we have a surplus, say, of significant deficits, and and the UK, we have a surplus, say, of significant deficits, and it's of significant deficits, and it's increasingly of significant deficits, and it's increasingly the of significant deficits, and it's increasingly the case of significant deficits, and it's increasingly the case as of significant deficits, and it's increasingly the case as time of significant deficits, and it's increasingly the case as time goes increasingly the case as time goes by increasingly the case as time goes by that increasingly the case as time goes by that we increasingly the case as time goes by that we have increasingly the case as time goes by that we have one increasingly the case as time goes by that we have one of increasingly the case as time goes by that we have one of the increasingly the case as time goes by that we have one of the lower increasingly the case as time goes by that we have one of the lower - by that we have one of the lower - we by that we have one of the lower - we have by that we have one of the lower - we have one by that we have one of the lower - we have one of by that we have one of the lower - we have one of the by that we have one of the lower - we have one of the lower by that we have one of the lower - we have one of the lower public by that we have one of the lower - we have one of the lower public debt we have one of the lower public debt levels we have one of the lower public debt levels compared we have one of the lower public debt levels compared to we have one of the lower public debt levels compared to the we have one of the lower public debt levels compared to the peer levels compared to the peer countries levels compared to the peer countries we levels compared to the peer countries we compare levels compared to the peer countries we compare ourselves levels compared to the peer countries we compare ourselves to. countries we compare ourselves to. Has countries we compare ourselves to. Has he countries we compare ourselves to. Has he called countries we compare ourselves to. Has he called for countries we compare ourselves to. Has he called for the countries we compare ourselves to. Has he called for the sacking countries we compare ourselves to. Has he called for the sacking of countries we compare ourselves to. Has he called for the sacking of the Has he called for the sacking of the minister Has he called for the sacking of the minister responsible Has he called for the sacking of the minister responsible for Has he called for the sacking of the minister responsible for Housing Has he called for the sacking of the minister responsible for Housing NZ minister responsible for Housing NZ Corporation minister responsible for Housing NZ Corporation in minister responsible for Housing NZ Corporation in light minister responsible for Housing NZ Corporation in light of minister responsible for Housing NZ Corporation in light of reports minister responsible for Housing NZ Corporation in light of reports from Corporation in light of reports from his Corporation in light of reports from his officials Corporation in light of reports from his officials saying Corporation in light of reports from his officials saying that Corporation in light of reports from his officials saying that Housing his officials saying that Housing New his officials saying that Housing New Zealand's his officials saying that Housing New Zealand's "balance his officials saying that Housing New Zealand's "balance sheet his officials saying that Housing New Zealand's "balance sheet is his officials saying that Housing New Zealand's "balance sheet is at New Zealand's "balance sheet is at risk New Zealand's "balance sheet is at risk and New Zealand's "balance sheet is at risk and can't New Zealand's "balance sheet is at risk and can't service New Zealand's "balance sheet is at risk and can't service their New Zealand's "balance sheet is at risk and can't service their debt risk and can't service their debt levels"? risk and can't service their debt levels"? <INTERRUPTION> levels"? <INTERRUPTION> The levels"? <INTERRUPTION> The Hon levels"? <INTERRUPTION> The Hon Bill levels"? <INTERRUPTION> The Hon Bill English. levels"? <INTERRUPTION> The Hon Bill English. Mr levels"? <INTERRUPTION> The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, ah, The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, ah, no. The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, ah, no. Housing The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, ah, no. Housing New The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, ah, no. Housing New Zealand The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, ah, no. Housing New Zealand is The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, ah, no. Housing New Zealand is in The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, ah, no. Housing New Zealand is in a ah, no. Housing New Zealand is in a sound ah, no. Housing New Zealand is in a sound financial ah, no. Housing New Zealand is in a sound financial situation. sound financial situation. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> And, <INTERRUPTION> And, because <INTERRUPTION> And, because it <INTERRUPTION> And, because it is <INTERRUPTION> And, because it is embarking <INTERRUPTION> And, because it is embarking on And, because it is embarking on large-scale And, because it is embarking on large-scale redevelopment And, because it is embarking on large-scale redevelopment of large-scale redevelopment of housing, large-scale redevelopment of housing, it large-scale redevelopment of housing, it may large-scale redevelopment of housing, it may need large-scale redevelopment of housing, it may need some large-scale redevelopment of housing, it may need some further housing, it may need some further support housing, it may need some further support from housing, it may need some further support from the housing, it may need some further support from the Government, housing, it may need some further support from the Government, because support from the Government, because it support from the Government, because it won't support from the Government, because it won't be support from the Government, because it won't be able support from the Government, because it won't be able to support from the Government, because it won't be able to finance support from the Government, because it won't be able to finance all support from the Government, because it won't be able to finance all of it won't be able to finance all of that it won't be able to finance all of that growth it won't be able to finance all of that growth itself. it won't be able to finance all of that growth itself. And it won't be able to finance all of that growth itself. And that's that growth itself. And that's perfectly that growth itself. And that's perfectly normal that growth itself. And that's perfectly normal for that growth itself. And that's perfectly normal for public that growth itself. And that's perfectly normal for public entities perfectly normal for public entities and perfectly normal for public entities and private perfectly normal for public entities and private businesses. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister responsible My question is to the Minister responsible for My question is to the Minister responsible for HNZC: Minister responsible for HNZC: What Minister responsible for HNZC: What changes, Minister responsible for HNZC: What changes, if Minister responsible for HNZC: What changes, if any, What changes, if any, did What changes, if any, did he What changes, if any, did he make What changes, if any, did he make to What changes, if any, did he make to Housing What changes, if any, did he make to Housing New What changes, if any, did he make to Housing New Zealand's did he make to Housing New Zealand's draft did he make to Housing New Zealand's draft Statement did he make to Housing New Zealand's draft Statement of did he make to Housing New Zealand's draft Statement of Performance draft Statement of Performance Expectations Expectations received Expectations received by Expectations received by his Expectations received by his office received by his office on received by his office on 20 received by his office on 20 May received by his office on 20 May 2016, on 20 May 2016, and on 20 May 2016, and why on 20 May 2016, and why has on 20 May 2016, and why has the on 20 May 2016, and why has the statement on 20 May 2016, and why has the statement still on 20 May 2016, and why has the statement still not and why has the statement still not been and why has the statement still not been published and why has the statement still not been published five and why has the statement still not been published five months and why has the statement still not been published five months later? Ah, Ah, Mr Ah, Mr Speaker, Ah, Mr Speaker, I Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought two Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought two changes Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought two changes to Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought two changes to the Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought two changes to the statement. Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought two changes to the statement. First, Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought two changes to the statement. First, that Ah, Mr Speaker, I sought two changes to the statement. First, that in to the statement. First, that in view to the statement. First, that in view of to the statement. First, that in view of increasing to the statement. First, that in view of increasing demands to the statement. First, that in view of increasing demands on view of increasing demands on Housing view of increasing demands on Housing New view of increasing demands on Housing New Zealand view of increasing demands on Housing New Zealand arising view of increasing demands on Housing New Zealand arising from view of increasing demands on Housing New Zealand arising from the Housing New Zealand arising from the accelerated Housing New Zealand arising from the accelerated building Housing New Zealand arising from the accelerated building programme, Housing New Zealand arising from the accelerated building programme, I accelerated building programme, I decided accelerated building programme, I decided HNZ accelerated building programme, I decided HNZ should accelerated building programme, I decided HNZ should retain accelerated building programme, I decided HNZ should retain the decided HNZ should retain the proceeds decided HNZ should retain the proceeds from decided HNZ should retain the proceeds from the decided HNZ should retain the proceeds from the potential decided HNZ should retain the proceeds from the potential transfer proceeds from the potential transfer of proceeds from the potential transfer of properties proceeds from the potential transfer of properties in proceeds from the potential transfer of properties in Tauranga. proceeds from the potential transfer of properties in Tauranga. Secondly, of properties in Tauranga. Secondly, I of properties in Tauranga. Secondly, I asked of properties in Tauranga. Secondly, I asked HNZ of properties in Tauranga. Secondly, I asked HNZ to of properties in Tauranga. Secondly, I asked HNZ to reconsider of properties in Tauranga. Secondly, I asked HNZ to reconsider their I asked HNZ to reconsider their investments, I asked HNZ to reconsider their investments, particularly I asked HNZ to reconsider their investments, particularly in I asked HNZ to reconsider their investments, particularly in light investments, particularly in light of investments, particularly in light of stronger investments, particularly in light of stronger demand investments, particularly in light of stronger demand for investments, particularly in light of stronger demand for social investments, particularly in light of stronger demand for social and of stronger demand for social and emergency of stronger demand for social and emergency housing of stronger demand for social and emergency housing in of stronger demand for social and emergency housing in certain of stronger demand for social and emergency housing in certain areas. emergency housing in certain areas. Publication emergency housing in certain areas. Publication of emergency housing in certain areas. Publication of the emergency housing in certain areas. Publication of the statement emergency housing in certain areas. Publication of the statement has Publication of the statement has been Publication of the statement has been affected Publication of the statement has been affected by Publication of the statement has been affected by these Publication of the statement has been affected by these changes, Publication of the statement has been affected by these changes, and been affected by these changes, and by been affected by these changes, and by the been affected by these changes, and by the start been affected by these changes, and by the start of been affected by these changes, and by the start of a been affected by these changes, and by the start of a new been affected by these changes, and by the start of a new chief by the start of a new chief executive by the start of a new chief executive in by the start of a new chief executive in September. by the start of a new chief executive in September. Isn't by the start of a new chief executive in September. Isn't it executive in September. Isn't it pure executive in September. Isn't it pure incompetence executive in September. Isn't it pure incompetence to executive in September. Isn't it pure incompetence to have executive in September. Isn't it pure incompetence to have driven executive in September. Isn't it pure incompetence to have driven a pure incompetence to have driven a $20 pure incompetence to have driven a $20 billion pure incompetence to have driven a $20 billion organisation pure incompetence to have driven a $20 billion organisation to pure incompetence to have driven a $20 billion organisation to the $20 billion organisation to the brink $20 billion organisation to the brink of $20 billion organisation to the brink of insolvency $20 billion organisation to the brink of insolvency - $20 billion organisation to the brink of insolvency - and, $20 billion organisation to the brink of insolvency - and, worse, $20 billion organisation to the brink of insolvency - and, worse, to brink of insolvency - and, worse, to have brink of insolvency - and, worse, to have as-stripped brink of insolvency - and, worse, to have as-stripped the brink of insolvency - and, worse, to have as-stripped the very brink of insolvency - and, worse, to have as-stripped the very agency have as-stripped the very agency that have as-stripped the very agency that should have as-stripped the very agency that should be have as-stripped the very agency that should be leading have as-stripped the very agency that should be leading the that should be leading the Government's that should be leading the Government's response that should be leading the Government's response to that should be leading the Government's response to the Government's response to the homelessness Government's response to the homelessness crisis? Government's response to the homelessness crisis? Mr Government's response to the homelessness crisis? Mr Speaker, Government's response to the homelessness crisis? Mr Speaker, as homelessness crisis? Mr Speaker, as I homelessness crisis? Mr Speaker, as I said homelessness crisis? Mr Speaker, as I said before, homelessness crisis? Mr Speaker, as I said before, the homelessness crisis? Mr Speaker, as I said before, the media homelessness crisis? Mr Speaker, as I said before, the media have I said before, the media have withdrawn I said before, the media have withdrawn and I said before, the media have withdrawn and corrected I said before, the media have withdrawn and corrected the I said before, the media have withdrawn and corrected the story withdrawn and corrected the story that withdrawn and corrected the story that said withdrawn and corrected the story that said Housing withdrawn and corrected the story that said Housing New withdrawn and corrected the story that said Housing New Zealand withdrawn and corrected the story that said Housing New Zealand was, that said Housing New Zealand was, in that said Housing New Zealand was, in their that said Housing New Zealand was, in their words, that said Housing New Zealand was, in their words, "going that said Housing New Zealand was, in their words, "going broke." that said Housing New Zealand was, in their words, "going broke." I'm in their words, "going broke." I'm not in their words, "going broke." I'm not surprised in their words, "going broke." I'm not surprised the in their words, "going broke." I'm not surprised the Opposition in their words, "going broke." I'm not surprised the Opposition are not surprised the Opposition are persisting not surprised the Opposition are persisting with not surprised the Opposition are persisting with it, not surprised the Opposition are persisting with it, because not surprised the Opposition are persisting with it, because they persisting with it, because they seem persisting with it, because they seem to persisting with it, because they seem to have persisting with it, because they seem to have almost persisting with it, because they seem to have almost no persisting with it, because they seem to have almost no understanding seem to have almost no understanding whatsoever seem to have almost no understanding whatsoever of seem to have almost no understanding whatsoever of the seem to have almost no understanding whatsoever of the financial whatsoever of the financial situation whatsoever of the financial situation of whatsoever of the financial situation of Housing whatsoever of the financial situation of Housing New whatsoever of the financial situation of Housing New Zealand, situation of Housing New Zealand, which situation of Housing New Zealand, which has situation of Housing New Zealand, which has $20 situation of Housing New Zealand, which has $20 billion situation of Housing New Zealand, which has $20 billion worth situation of Housing New Zealand, which has $20 billion worth of which has $20 billion worth of assets, which has $20 billion worth of assets, $4 which has $20 billion worth of assets, $4 billion which has $20 billion worth of assets, $4 billion worth which has $20 billion worth of assets, $4 billion worth of which has $20 billion worth of assets, $4 billion worth of debt, assets, $4 billion worth of debt, and assets, $4 billion worth of debt, and not assets, $4 billion worth of debt, and not much assets, $4 billion worth of debt, and not much short assets, $4 billion worth of debt, and not much short of assets, $4 billion worth of debt, and not much short of $1 assets, $4 billion worth of debt, and not much short of $1 billion assets, $4 billion worth of debt, and not much short of $1 billion in and not much short of $1 billion in cash and not much short of $1 billion in cash flow. and not much short of $1 billion in cash flow. It's and not much short of $1 billion in cash flow. It's in and not much short of $1 billion in cash flow. It's in fine and not much short of $1 billion in cash flow. It's in fine shape, and not much short of $1 billion in cash flow. It's in fine shape, and and not much short of $1 billion in cash flow. It's in fine shape, and I cash flow. It's in fine shape, and I think cash flow. It's in fine shape, and I think what's cash flow. It's in fine shape, and I think what's really cash flow. It's in fine shape, and I think what's really bothering cash flow. It's in fine shape, and I think what's really bothering the think what's really bothering the member think what's really bothering the member is think what's really bothering the member is that think what's really bothering the member is that Housing think what's really bothering the member is that Housing New think what's really bothering the member is that Housing New Zealand member is that Housing New Zealand is member is that Housing New Zealand is embarking member is that Housing New Zealand is embarking on member is that Housing New Zealand is embarking on large-scale member is that Housing New Zealand is embarking on large-scale housing is embarking on large-scale housing development, is embarking on large-scale housing development, which is embarking on large-scale housing development, which we is embarking on large-scale housing development, which we require is embarking on large-scale housing development, which we require them development, which we require them to development, which we require them to do development, which we require them to do competently. development, which we require them to do competently. Did development, which we require them to do competently. Did Treasury development, which we require them to do competently. Did Treasury and to do competently. Did Treasury and Housing to do competently. Did Treasury and Housing New to do competently. Did Treasury and Housing New Zealand to do competently. Did Treasury and Housing New Zealand officials to do competently. Did Treasury and Housing New Zealand officials tell Housing New Zealand officials tell him Housing New Zealand officials tell him last Housing New Zealand officials tell him last year Housing New Zealand officials tell him last year that Housing New Zealand officials tell him last year that Housing Housing New Zealand officials tell him last year that Housing New him last year that Housing New Zealand him last year that Housing New Zealand lacked him last year that Housing New Zealand lacked the him last year that Housing New Zealand lacked the capital him last year that Housing New Zealand lacked the capital to Zealand lacked the capital to service Zealand lacked the capital to service its Zealand lacked the capital to service its debt? Zealand lacked the capital to service its debt? And Zealand lacked the capital to service its debt? And why Zealand lacked the capital to service its debt? And why was Zealand lacked the capital to service its debt? And why was he service its debt? And why was he saying, service its debt? And why was he saying, as service its debt? And why was he saying, as recently service its debt? And why was he saying, as recently as service its debt? And why was he saying, as recently as 31 service its debt? And why was he saying, as recently as 31 May, service its debt? And why was he saying, as recently as 31 May, that saying, as recently as 31 May, that Housing saying, as recently as 31 May, that Housing New saying, as recently as 31 May, that Housing New Zealand saying, as recently as 31 May, that Housing New Zealand had saying, as recently as 31 May, that Housing New Zealand had all saying, as recently as 31 May, that Housing New Zealand had all the Housing New Zealand had all the money Housing New Zealand had all the money it Housing New Zealand had all the money it needed? Housing New Zealand had all the money it needed? Mr Housing New Zealand had all the money it needed? Mr Speaker, Housing New Zealand had all the money it needed? Mr Speaker, because money it needed? Mr Speaker, because it money it needed? Mr Speaker, because it does. money it needed? Mr Speaker, because it does. And money it needed? Mr Speaker, because it does. And the... money it needed? Mr Speaker, because it does. And the... <INTERRUPTION> it does. And the... <INTERRUPTION> It it does. And the... <INTERRUPTION> It clearly it does. And the... <INTERRUPTION> It clearly does, it does. And the... <INTERRUPTION> It clearly does, because it does. And the... <INTERRUPTION> It clearly does, because it's It clearly does, because it's signing It clearly does, because it's signing off It clearly does, because it's signing off major It clearly does, because it's signing off major developments It clearly does, because it's signing off major developments like signing off major developments like the signing off major developments like the Northcote signing off major developments like the Northcote development signing off major developments like the Northcote development of signing off major developments like the Northcote development of 1,000 the Northcote development of 1,000 new the Northcote development of 1,000 new houses the Northcote development of 1,000 new houses quite the Northcote development of 1,000 new houses quite recently, the Northcote development of 1,000 new houses quite recently, worth new houses quite recently, worth more new houses quite recently, worth more in new houses quite recently, worth more in the new houses quite recently, worth more in the pipeline. new houses quite recently, worth more in the pipeline. So new houses quite recently, worth more in the pipeline. So the new houses quite recently, worth more in the pipeline. So the member more in the pipeline. So the member doesn't more in the pipeline. So the member doesn't need more in the pipeline. So the member doesn't need to more in the pipeline. So the member doesn't need to be more in the pipeline. So the member doesn't need to be concerned more in the pipeline. So the member doesn't need to be concerned about doesn't need to be concerned about the doesn't need to be concerned about the state doesn't need to be concerned about the state of doesn't need to be concerned about the state of Housing doesn't need to be concerned about the state of Housing New doesn't need to be concerned about the state of Housing New Zealand's the state of Housing New Zealand's finances, the state of Housing New Zealand's finances, and the state of Housing New Zealand's finances, and I'm the state of Housing New Zealand's finances, and I'm sure the state of Housing New Zealand's finances, and I'm sure the the state of Housing New Zealand's finances, and I'm sure the member the state of Housing New Zealand's finances, and I'm sure the member is finances, and I'm sure the member is concerned finances, and I'm sure the member is concerned that finances, and I'm sure the member is concerned that the finances, and I'm sure the member is concerned that the Government finances, and I'm sure the member is concerned that the Government is concerned that the Government is committed concerned that the Government is committed to concerned that the Government is committed to supporting concerned that the Government is committed to supporting him concerned that the Government is committed to supporting him on committed to supporting him on large-scale committed to supporting him on large-scale housing committed to supporting him on large-scale housing redevelopment. large-scale housing redevelopment. Can large-scale housing redevelopment. Can he large-scale housing redevelopment. Can he confirm large-scale housing redevelopment. Can he confirm that large-scale housing redevelopment. Can he confirm that his large-scale housing redevelopment. Can he confirm that his musings Can he confirm that his musings about Can he confirm that his musings about building Can he confirm that his musings about building 30,000 Can he confirm that his musings about building 30,000 houses Can he confirm that his musings about building 30,000 houses on Can he confirm that his musings about building 30,000 houses on what about building 30,000 houses on what is about building 30,000 houses on what is now about building 30,000 houses on what is now state about building 30,000 houses on what is now state housing about building 30,000 houses on what is now state housing land about building 30,000 houses on what is now state housing land is about building 30,000 houses on what is now state housing land is not is now state housing land is not actually is now state housing land is not actually an is now state housing land is not actually an affordable is now state housing land is not actually an affordable housing actually an affordable housing programme actually an affordable housing programme - actually an affordable housing programme - it's actually an affordable housing programme - it's just actually an affordable housing programme - it's just a actually an affordable housing programme - it's just a desperate programme - it's just a desperate sell-off programme - it's just a desperate sell-off of programme - it's just a desperate sell-off of land programme - it's just a desperate sell-off of land and programme - it's just a desperate sell-off of land and housing programme - it's just a desperate sell-off of land and housing to programme - it's just a desperate sell-off of land and housing to try sell-off of land and housing to try and sell-off of land and housing to try and stop sell-off of land and housing to try and stop Housing sell-off of land and housing to try and stop Housing New sell-off of land and housing to try and stop Housing New Zealand sell-off of land and housing to try and stop Housing New Zealand from and stop Housing New Zealand from going and stop Housing New Zealand from going bankrupt? and stop Housing New Zealand from going bankrupt? No, and stop Housing New Zealand from going bankrupt? No, Mr and stop Housing New Zealand from going bankrupt? No, Mr Speaker, going bankrupt? No, Mr Speaker, that's going bankrupt? No, Mr Speaker, that's a going bankrupt? No, Mr Speaker, that's a ridiculous going bankrupt? No, Mr Speaker, that's a ridiculous assertion that's a ridiculous assertion about... that's a ridiculous assertion about... <INTERRUPTION> about... <INTERRUPTION> Ridiculous about... <INTERRUPTION> Ridiculous assertion about... <INTERRUPTION> Ridiculous assertion about about... <INTERRUPTION> Ridiculous assertion about Housing Ridiculous assertion about Housing New Ridiculous assertion about Housing New Zealand. Ridiculous assertion about Housing New Zealand. I Ridiculous assertion about Housing New Zealand. I know Ridiculous assertion about Housing New Zealand. I know that Ridiculous assertion about Housing New Zealand. I know that that Ridiculous assertion about Housing New Zealand. I know that that won't New Zealand. I know that that won't stop New Zealand. I know that that won't stop the New Zealand. I know that that won't stop the member New Zealand. I know that that won't stop the member making New Zealand. I know that that won't stop the member making it New Zealand. I know that that won't stop the member making it - stop the member making it - vigorously, stop the member making it - vigorously, no stop the member making it - vigorously, no doubt, stop the member making it - vigorously, no doubt, for stop the member making it - vigorously, no doubt, for as stop the member making it - vigorously, no doubt, for as long stop the member making it - vigorously, no doubt, for as long as vigorously, no doubt, for as long as he vigorously, no doubt, for as long as he thinks vigorously, no doubt, for as long as he thinks anyone vigorously, no doubt, for as long as he thinks anyone might vigorously, no doubt, for as long as he thinks anyone might be vigorously, no doubt, for as long as he thinks anyone might be listening. he thinks anyone might be listening. But he thinks anyone might be listening. But it's he thinks anyone might be listening. But it's just...verging he thinks anyone might be listening. But it's just...verging on he thinks anyone might be listening. But it's just...verging on stupid, But it's just...verging on stupid, actually. But it's just...verging on stupid, actually. <INTERRUPTION> actually. <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> I <INTERRUPTION> I want <INTERRUPTION> I want substantially <INTERRUPTION> I want substantially less I want substantially less interjection I want substantially less interjection from I want substantially less interjection from my I want substantially less interjection from my right-hand interjection from my right-hand side. interjection from my right-hand side. Obviously interjection from my right-hand side. Obviously very interjection from my right-hand side. Obviously very sensitive. side. Obviously very sensitive. Is side. Obviously very sensitive. Is he side. Obviously very sensitive. Is he deliberately side. Obviously very sensitive. Is he deliberately sabotaging Is he deliberately sabotaging Housing Is he deliberately sabotaging Housing New Is he deliberately sabotaging Housing New Zealand's Is he deliberately sabotaging Housing New Zealand's balance Is he deliberately sabotaging Housing New Zealand's balance sheet? Housing New Zealand's balance sheet? <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Asset-stripping <INTERRUPTION> Asset-stripping it <INTERRUPTION> Asset-stripping it and <INTERRUPTION> Asset-stripping it and running <INTERRUPTION> Asset-stripping it and running it Asset-stripping it and running it into Asset-stripping it and running it into the Asset-stripping it and running it into the ground Asset-stripping it and running it into the ground in Asset-stripping it and running it into the ground in order Asset-stripping it and running it into the ground in order to Asset-stripping it and running it into the ground in order to justify into the ground in order to justify selling into the ground in order to justify selling off into the ground in order to justify selling off even into the ground in order to justify selling off even more into the ground in order to justify selling off even more land into the ground in order to justify selling off even more land and into the ground in order to justify selling off even more land and state selling off even more land and state housing? housing? Order! housing? Order! Mr housing? Order! Mr Speaker... housing? Order! Mr Speaker... That's housing? Order! Mr Speaker... That's the Order! Mr Speaker... That's the reason Order! Mr Speaker... That's the reason why Order! Mr Speaker... That's the reason why Labour Order! Mr Speaker... That's the reason why Labour is Order! Mr Speaker... That's the reason why Labour is such Order! Mr Speaker... That's the reason why Labour is such a Order! Mr Speaker... That's the reason why Labour is such a fiscal reason why Labour is such a fiscal risk reason why Labour is such a fiscal risk - reason why Labour is such a fiscal risk - because reason why Labour is such a fiscal risk - because that's reason why Labour is such a fiscal risk - because that's their risk - because that's their description risk - because that's their description of risk - because that's their description of sound risk - because that's their description of sound financial description of sound financial management. description of sound financial management. The description of sound financial management. The fact description of sound financial management. The fact is description of sound financial management. The fact is that description of sound financial management. The fact is that Housing management. The fact is that Housing New management. The fact is that Housing New Zealand's management. The fact is that Housing New Zealand's large-scale management. The fact is that Housing New Zealand's large-scale building New Zealand's large-scale building programme New Zealand's large-scale building programme is New Zealand's large-scale building programme is financed, New Zealand's large-scale building programme is financed, ultimately, programme is financed, ultimately, by programme is financed, ultimately, by people programme is financed, ultimately, by people working programme is financed, ultimately, by people working in programme is financed, ultimately, by people working in the programme is financed, ultimately, by people working in the rain programme is financed, ultimately, by people working in the rain all by people working in the rain all last by people working in the rain all last week, by people working in the rain all last week, paying by people working in the rain all last week, paying their by people working in the rain all last week, paying their PAYE, by people working in the rain all last week, paying their PAYE, giving last week, paying their PAYE, giving us last week, paying their PAYE, giving us their last week, paying their PAYE, giving us their GST last week, paying their PAYE, giving us their GST on last week, paying their PAYE, giving us their GST on their last week, paying their PAYE, giving us their GST on their milk last week, paying their PAYE, giving us their GST on their milk from last week, paying their PAYE, giving us their GST on their milk from the us their GST on their milk from the supermarket, us their GST on their milk from the supermarket, and us their GST on their milk from the supermarket, and that us their GST on their milk from the supermarket, and that is us their GST on their milk from the supermarket, and that is why us their GST on their milk from the supermarket, and that is why we us their GST on their milk from the supermarket, and that is why we are supermarket, and that is why we are going supermarket, and that is why we are going to supermarket, and that is why we are going to be supermarket, and that is why we are going to be demanding supermarket, and that is why we are going to be demanding of supermarket, and that is why we are going to be demanding of Housing supermarket, and that is why we are going to be demanding of Housing New going to be demanding of Housing New Zealand going to be demanding of Housing New Zealand to going to be demanding of Housing New Zealand to ensure going to be demanding of Housing New Zealand to ensure they going to be demanding of Housing New Zealand to ensure they have Zealand to ensure they have well-developed, Zealand to ensure they have well-developed, well-thought-through well-developed, well-thought-through development well-developed, well-thought-through development plans, well-developed, well-thought-through development plans, and well-developed, well-thought-through development plans, and are well-developed, well-thought-through development plans, and are very development plans, and are very careful development plans, and are very careful about development plans, and are very careful about how development plans, and are very careful about how much development plans, and are very careful about how much of development plans, and are very careful about how much of the careful about how much of the taxpayers' careful about how much of the taxpayers' money careful about how much of the taxpayers' money their careful about how much of the taxpayers' money their going careful about how much of the taxpayers' money their going to careful about how much of the taxpayers' money their going to -- taxpayers' money their going to -- they taxpayers' money their going to -- they are taxpayers' money their going to -- they are going taxpayers' money their going to -- they are going to taxpayers' money their going to -- they are going to deploy taxpayers' money their going to -- they are going to deploy in they are going to deploy in large-scale they are going to deploy in large-scale property they are going to deploy in large-scale property development, large-scale property development, which large-scale property development, which is, large-scale property development, which is, in large-scale property development, which is, in itself, large-scale property development, which is, in itself, quite large-scale property development, which is, in itself, quite risky. which is, in itself, quite risky. Now, which is, in itself, quite risky. Now, the which is, in itself, quite risky. Now, the member which is, in itself, quite risky. Now, the member can which is, in itself, quite risky. Now, the member can call which is, in itself, quite risky. Now, the member can call that Now, the member can call that "sabotaging Now, the member can call that "sabotaging the Now, the member can call that "sabotaging the balance Now, the member can call that "sabotaging the balance sheet". Now, the member can call that "sabotaging the balance sheet". We "sabotaging the balance sheet". We call "sabotaging the balance sheet". We call it "sabotaging the balance sheet". We call it doing "sabotaging the balance sheet". We call it doing the "sabotaging the balance sheet". We call it doing the job "sabotaging the balance sheet". We call it doing the job properly. call it doing the job properly. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is this <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is this a <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is this a point <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is this a point of <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is this a point of order? Order! Is this a point of order? Point Order! Is this a point of order? Point of Order! Is this a point of order? Point of order. Point of order. Mr Point of order. Mr Speaker, Point of order. Mr Speaker, I Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek the Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek the leave Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek the leave of Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek the leave of the Mr Speaker, I seek the leave of the House Mr Speaker, I seek the leave of the House to Mr Speaker, I seek the leave of the House to table Mr Speaker, I seek the leave of the House to table the Mr Speaker, I seek the leave of the House to table the advice Mr Speaker, I seek the leave of the House to table the advice from House to table the advice from Treasury House to table the advice from Treasury and House to table the advice from Treasury and Housing House to table the advice from Treasury and Housing New House to table the advice from Treasury and Housing New Zealand Treasury and Housing New Zealand officials Treasury and Housing New Zealand officials in Treasury and Housing New Zealand officials in which Treasury and Housing New Zealand officials in which they Treasury and Housing New Zealand officials in which they say Treasury and Housing New Zealand officials in which they say that officials in which they say that Housing officials in which they say that Housing New officials in which they say that Housing New Zealand officials in which they say that Housing New Zealand is officials in which they say that Housing New Zealand is at officials in which they say that Housing New Zealand is at risk officials in which they say that Housing New Zealand is at risk of Housing New Zealand is at risk of being Housing New Zealand is at risk of being unable Housing New Zealand is at risk of being unable to Housing New Zealand is at risk of being unable to service Housing New Zealand is at risk of being unable to service its Housing New Zealand is at risk of being unable to service its debts. Housing New Zealand is at risk of being unable to service its debts. I being unable to service its debts. I just being unable to service its debts. I just need being unable to service its debts. I just need to being unable to service its debts. I just need to know being unable to service its debts. I just need to know where being unable to service its debts. I just need to know where the being unable to service its debts. I just need to know where the member just need to know where the member sourced just need to know where the member sourced that just need to know where the member sourced that Treasury just need to know where the member sourced that Treasury advice. just need to know where the member sourced that Treasury advice. Under sourced that Treasury advice. Under the sourced that Treasury advice. Under the official sourced that Treasury advice. Under the official information. sourced that Treasury advice. Under the official information. On sourced that Treasury advice. Under the official information. On that the official information. On that basis, the official information. On that basis, I'll the official information. On that basis, I'll put the official information. On that basis, I'll put the the official information. On that basis, I'll put the leave. the official information. On that basis, I'll put the leave. Leave the official information. On that basis, I'll put the leave. Leave is basis, I'll put the leave. Leave is sought basis, I'll put the leave. Leave is sought to basis, I'll put the leave. Leave is sought to table basis, I'll put the leave. Leave is sought to table that basis, I'll put the leave. Leave is sought to table that particular basis, I'll put the leave. Leave is sought to table that particular OIA sought to table that particular OIA response. sought to table that particular OIA response. Any sought to table that particular OIA response. Any objection? sought to table that particular OIA response. Any objection? There sought to table that particular OIA response. Any objection? There is response. Any objection? There is none. response. Any objection? There is none. It response. Any objection? There is none. It may response. Any objection? There is none. It may be response. Any objection? There is none. It may be tabled. none. It may be tabled. Supplementary none. It may be tabled. Supplementary question, none. It may be tabled. Supplementary question, Phil Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why doesn't Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why doesn't he, Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why doesn't he, instead Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why doesn't he, instead of Twyford. Why doesn't he, instead of sabotaging Twyford. Why doesn't he, instead of sabotaging Housing Twyford. Why doesn't he, instead of sabotaging Housing New Twyford. Why doesn't he, instead of sabotaging Housing New Zealand Twyford. Why doesn't he, instead of sabotaging Housing New Zealand and sabotaging Housing New Zealand and asset-stripping sabotaging Housing New Zealand and asset-stripping its sabotaging Housing New Zealand and asset-stripping its balance sabotaging Housing New Zealand and asset-stripping its balance sheet, asset-stripping its balance sheet, why asset-stripping its balance sheet, why doesn't asset-stripping its balance sheet, why doesn't he asset-stripping its balance sheet, why doesn't he do asset-stripping its balance sheet, why doesn't he do what asset-stripping its balance sheet, why doesn't he do what Labour asset-stripping its balance sheet, why doesn't he do what Labour would why doesn't he do what Labour would do, why doesn't he do what Labour would do, and why doesn't he do what Labour would do, and run why doesn't he do what Labour would do, and run Housing why doesn't he do what Labour would do, and run Housing New why doesn't he do what Labour would do, and run Housing New Zealand why doesn't he do what Labour would do, and run Housing New Zealand as why doesn't he do what Labour would do, and run Housing New Zealand as a do, and run Housing New Zealand as a public do, and run Housing New Zealand as a public service do, and run Housing New Zealand as a public service with do, and run Housing New Zealand as a public service with one do, and run Housing New Zealand as a public service with one job do, and run Housing New Zealand as a public service with one job - public service with one job - putting public service with one job - putting a public service with one job - putting a decent public service with one job - putting a decent roof public service with one job - putting a decent roof over public service with one job - putting a decent roof over the public service with one job - putting a decent roof over the heads putting a decent roof over the heads of putting a decent roof over the heads of Kiwis putting a decent roof over the heads of Kiwis who putting a decent roof over the heads of Kiwis who need putting a decent roof over the heads of Kiwis who need it? of Kiwis who need it? Mr of Kiwis who need it? Mr Speaker, of Kiwis who need it? Mr Speaker, we of Kiwis who need it? Mr Speaker, we have of Kiwis who need it? Mr Speaker, we have an of Kiwis who need it? Mr Speaker, we have an example of Kiwis who need it? Mr Speaker, we have an example of Mr Speaker, we have an example of how Mr Speaker, we have an example of how Labour Mr Speaker, we have an example of how Labour would Mr Speaker, we have an example of how Labour would like Mr Speaker, we have an example of how Labour would like to Mr Speaker, we have an example of how Labour would like to run how Labour would like to run housing, how Labour would like to run housing, and how Labour would like to run housing, and that's how Labour would like to run housing, and that's how how Labour would like to run housing, and that's how it how Labour would like to run housing, and that's how it did how Labour would like to run housing, and that's how it did last housing, and that's how it did last time housing, and that's how it did last time it housing, and that's how it did last time it was housing, and that's how it did last time it was in housing, and that's how it did last time it was in Government, housing, and that's how it did last time it was in Government, which housing, and that's how it did last time it was in Government, which let time it was in Government, which let it time it was in Government, which let it run time it was in Government, which let it run fat time it was in Government, which let it run fat with time it was in Government, which let it run fat with loose time it was in Government, which let it run fat with loose cash, time it was in Government, which let it run fat with loose cash, it it run fat with loose cash, it stopped it run fat with loose cash, it stopped maintaining... stopped maintaining... <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> It <INTERRUPTION> It stopped <INTERRUPTION> It stopped maintaining <INTERRUPTION> It stopped maintaining the <INTERRUPTION> It stopped maintaining the houses <INTERRUPTION> It stopped maintaining the houses so It stopped maintaining the houses so that It stopped maintaining the houses so that it It stopped maintaining the houses so that it would It stopped maintaining the houses so that it would have It stopped maintaining the houses so that it would have some It stopped maintaining the houses so that it would have some cash It stopped maintaining the houses so that it would have some cash to that it would have some cash to build that it would have some cash to build some that it would have some cash to build some new that it would have some cash to build some new ones, that it would have some cash to build some new ones, and that it would have some cash to build some new ones, and we've that it would have some cash to build some new ones, and we've spent build some new ones, and we've spent eight build some new ones, and we've spent eight years build some new ones, and we've spent eight years having build some new ones, and we've spent eight years having to build some new ones, and we've spent eight years having to backfill build some new ones, and we've spent eight years having to backfill the eight years having to backfill the damage, eight years having to backfill the damage, sort eight years having to backfill the damage, sort out eight years having to backfill the damage, sort out the eight years having to backfill the damage, sort out the arrogance eight years having to backfill the damage, sort out the arrogance and damage, sort out the arrogance and complacency damage, sort out the arrogance and complacency that damage, sort out the arrogance and complacency that was damage, sort out the arrogance and complacency that was there damage, sort out the arrogance and complacency that was there in... complacency that was there in... Order! complacency that was there in... Order! There complacency that was there in... Order! There is complacency that was there in... Order! There is little complacency that was there in... Order! There is little point complacency that was there in... Order! There is little point in Order! There is little point in carrying Order! There is little point in carrying on Order! There is little point in carrying on with Order! There is little point in carrying on with the Order! There is little point in carrying on with the answer, Order! There is little point in carrying on with the answer, with carrying on with the answer, with the carrying on with the answer, with the amount carrying on with the answer, with the amount of carrying on with the answer, with the amount of interjection carrying on with the answer, with the amount of interjection coming. the amount of interjection coming. Question the amount of interjection coming. Question No. the amount of interjection coming. Question No. 4, the amount of interjection coming. Question No. 4, Joanne the amount of interjection coming. Question No. 4, Joanne Hayes the amount of interjection coming. Question No. 4, Joanne Hayes. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Building My question is to the Minister for Building and My question is to the Minister for Building and Housing: Minister for Building and Housing: What Minister for Building and Housing: What reports Minister for Building and Housing: What reports has Minister for Building and Housing: What reports has he Minister for Building and Housing: What reports has he received What reports has he received to What reports has he received to show What reports has he received to show the What reports has he received to show the Government's to show the Government's housing to show the Government's housing reform to show the Government's housing reform programme housing reform programme is housing reform programme is increasing housing reform programme is increasing the housing reform programme is increasing the supply is increasing the supply and is increasing the supply and affordability is increasing the supply and affordability of is increasing the supply and affordability of housing? The The latest The latest figures The latest figures show The latest figures show that The latest figures show that residential The latest figures show that residential building The latest figures show that residential building activity The latest figures show that residential building activity in The latest figures show that residential building activity in the residential building activity in the last residential building activity in the last year residential building activity in the last year grew residential building activity in the last year grew by residential building activity in the last year grew by 21% residential building activity in the last year grew by 21% to residential building activity in the last year grew by 21% to over residential building activity in the last year grew by 21% to over $12 last year grew by 21% to over $12 billion, last year grew by 21% to over $12 billion, which last year grew by 21% to over $12 billion, which is last year grew by 21% to over $12 billion, which is the last year grew by 21% to over $12 billion, which is the highest last year grew by 21% to over $12 billion, which is the highest level billion, which is the highest level of billion, which is the highest level of investment billion, which is the highest level of investment in billion, which is the highest level of investment in residential billion, which is the highest level of investment in residential act of investment in residential act iskt of investment in residential act iskt that of investment in residential act iskt that New of investment in residential act iskt that New Zealand of investment in residential act iskt that New Zealand has of investment in residential act iskt that New Zealand has ever of investment in residential act iskt that New Zealand has ever seen. iskt that New Zealand has ever seen. The iskt that New Zealand has ever seen. The 29,627 iskt that New Zealand has ever seen. The 29,627 homes iskt that New Zealand has ever seen. The 29,627 homes is iskt that New Zealand has ever seen. The 29,627 homes is more iskt that New Zealand has ever seen. The 29,627 homes is more than iskt that New Zealand has ever seen. The 29,627 homes is more than double The 29,627 homes is more than double that The 29,627 homes is more than double that of The 29,627 homes is more than double that of five The 29,627 homes is more than double that of five years The 29,627 homes is more than double that of five years ago, The 29,627 homes is more than double that of five years ago, and The 29,627 homes is more than double that of five years ago, and is The 29,627 homes is more than double that of five years ago, and is the that of five years ago, and is the second-highest that of five years ago, and is the second-highest on that of five years ago, and is the second-highest on record. that of five years ago, and is the second-highest on record. Secondly, second-highest on record. Secondly, if second-highest on record. Secondly, if we second-highest on record. Secondly, if we look second-highest on record. Secondly, if we look at second-highest on record. Secondly, if we look at the second-highest on record. Secondly, if we look at the real second-highest on record. Secondly, if we look at the real estate if we look at the real estate figures if we look at the real estate figures today if we look at the real estate figures today out, if we look at the real estate figures today out, it if we look at the real estate figures today out, it shows if we look at the real estate figures today out, it shows that, figures today out, it shows that, if figures today out, it shows that, for the first figures today out, it shows that, for the first time figures today out, it shows that, for the first time in figures today out, it shows that, for the first time in five figures today out, it shows that, for the first time in five years, for the first time in five years, house for the first time in five years, house price for the first time in five years, house price increases for the first time in five years, house price increases in for the first time in five years, house price increases in Auckland for the first time in five years, house price increases in Auckland is house price increases in Auckland is down house price increases in Auckland is down to house price increases in Auckland is down to single house price increases in Auckland is down to single digits house price increases in Auckland is down to single digits at house price increases in Auckland is down to single digits at 7% house price increases in Auckland is down to single digits at 7% - house price increases in Auckland is down to single digits at 7% - that down to single digits at 7% - that is down to single digits at 7% - that is welcomed. down to single digits at 7% - that is welcomed. Today, down to single digits at 7% - that is welcomed. Today, we've down to single digits at 7% - that is welcomed. Today, we've also down to single digits at 7% - that is welcomed. Today, we've also had is welcomed. Today, we've also had the is welcomed. Today, we've also had the Massey is welcomed. Today, we've also had the Massey data is welcomed. Today, we've also had the Massey data housing the Massey data housing affordability the Massey data housing affordability released. the Massey data housing affordability released. It the Massey data housing affordability released. It shows affordability released. It shows that affordability released. It shows that housing affordability released. It shows that housing affordability affordability released. It shows that housing affordability has that housing affordability has improved that housing affordability has improved across that housing affordability has improved across New that housing affordability has improved across New Zealand that housing affordability has improved across New Zealand in that housing affordability has improved across New Zealand in every improved across New Zealand in every region improved across New Zealand in every region except improved across New Zealand in every region except Hamilton improved across New Zealand in every region except Hamilton and region except Hamilton and Queenstown, region except Hamilton and Queenstown, and region except Hamilton and Queenstown, and that region except Hamilton and Queenstown, and that housing Queenstown, and that housing affordability Queenstown, and that housing affordability in Queenstown, and that housing affordability in every Queenstown, and that housing affordability in every part Queenstown, and that housing affordability in every part of Queenstown, and that housing affordability in every part of New affordability in every part of New Zealand affordability in every part of New Zealand is affordability in every part of New Zealand is better affordability in every part of New Zealand is better than affordability in every part of New Zealand is better than what affordability in every part of New Zealand is better than what it affordability in every part of New Zealand is better than what it was Zealand is better than what it was under Zealand is better than what it was under the Zealand is better than what it was under the previous Zealand is better than what it was under the previous government. under the previous government. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! Order! Was Order! Was the Order! Was the claim Order! Was the claim made Order! Was the claim made yesterday Order! Was the claim made yesterday in Was the claim made yesterday in Parliament Was the claim made yesterday in Parliament that Was the claim made yesterday in Parliament that only Was the claim made yesterday in Parliament that only 18 Was the claim made yesterday in Parliament that only 18 affordable Parliament that only 18 affordable houses Parliament that only 18 affordable houses have Parliament that only 18 affordable houses have been Parliament that only 18 affordable houses have been built Parliament that only 18 affordable houses have been built in Parliament that only 18 affordable houses have been built in Auckland houses have been built in Auckland in houses have been built in Auckland in the houses have been built in Auckland in the last houses have been built in Auckland in the last three houses have been built in Auckland in the last three years houses have been built in Auckland in the last three years correct? houses have been built in Auckland in the last three years correct? No. in the last three years correct? No. More in the last three years correct? No. More than in the last three years correct? No. More than 10 in the last three years correct? No. More than 10 times in the last three years correct? No. More than 10 times that in the last three years correct? No. More than 10 times that number in the last three years correct? No. More than 10 times that number have More than 10 times that number have been More than 10 times that number have been built More than 10 times that number have been built in More than 10 times that number have been built in the More than 10 times that number have been built in the very More than 10 times that number have been built in the very first More than 10 times that number have been built in the very first special been built in the very first special housing been built in the very first special housing area, been built in the very first special housing area, at been built in the very first special housing area, at Weymouth been built in the very first special housing area, at Weymouth - been built in the very first special housing area, at Weymouth - 190 housing area, at Weymouth - 190 homes housing area, at Weymouth - 190 homes have housing area, at Weymouth - 190 homes have been housing area, at Weymouth - 190 homes have been built, housing area, at Weymouth - 190 homes have been built, with housing area, at Weymouth - 190 homes have been built, with an homes have been built, with an average homes have been built, with an average price homes have been built, with an average price of homes have been built, with an average price of $450,000. homes have been built, with an average price of $450,000. Then homes have been built, with an average price of $450,000. Then if average price of $450,000. Then if you average price of $450,000. Then if you go average price of $450,000. Then if you go to average price of $450,000. Then if you go to the average price of $450,000. Then if you go to the second average price of $450,000. Then if you go to the second special average price of $450,000. Then if you go to the second special housing you go to the second special housing area you go to the second special housing area in you go to the second special housing area in Hobsonville, you go to the second special housing area in Hobsonville, 70 you go to the second special housing area in Hobsonville, 70 have you go to the second special housing area in Hobsonville, 70 have been area in Hobsonville, 70 have been built area in Hobsonville, 70 have been built below area in Hobsonville, 70 have been built below $400,000. area in Hobsonville, 70 have been built below $400,000. 212 area in Hobsonville, 70 have been built below $400,000. 212 beyond built below $400,000. 212 beyond $500,000. built below $400,000. 212 beyond $500,000. 45 built below $400,000. 212 beyond $500,000. 45 below built below $400,000. 212 beyond $500,000. 45 below $450,000. built below $400,000. 212 beyond $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A built below $400,000. 212 beyond $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A total $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A total of $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A total of 327 $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A total of 327 homes $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A total of 327 homes in $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A total of 327 homes in the $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A total of 327 homes in the second $500,000. 45 below $450,000. A total of 327 homes in the second housing of 327 homes in the second housing area. of 327 homes in the second housing area. If of 327 homes in the second housing area. If we of 327 homes in the second housing area. If we look of 327 homes in the second housing area. If we look at of 327 homes in the second housing area. If we look at the of 327 homes in the second housing area. If we look at the data of 327 homes in the second housing area. If we look at the data from area. If we look at the data from the area. If we look at the data from the HomeStart area. If we look at the data from the HomeStart scheme, area. If we look at the data from the HomeStart scheme, 300 area. If we look at the data from the HomeStart scheme, 300 grants the HomeStart scheme, 300 grants have the HomeStart scheme, 300 grants have been the HomeStart scheme, 300 grants have been made the HomeStart scheme, 300 grants have been made in the HomeStart scheme, 300 grants have been made in Auckland the HomeStart scheme, 300 grants have been made in Auckland for the HomeStart scheme, 300 grants have been made in Auckland for new have been made in Auckland for new homes have been made in Auckland for new homes since have been made in Auckland for new homes since the have been made in Auckland for new homes since the scheme have been made in Auckland for new homes since the scheme began. have been made in Auckland for new homes since the scheme began. The homes since the scheme began. The claim homes since the scheme began. The claim of homes since the scheme began. The claim of just homes since the scheme began. The claim of just 18 homes since the scheme began. The claim of just 18 in homes since the scheme began. The claim of just 18 in three homes since the scheme began. The claim of just 18 in three years homes since the scheme began. The claim of just 18 in three years is claim of just 18 in three years is so claim of just 18 in three years is so disconnected claim of just 18 in three years is so disconnected from claim of just 18 in three years is so disconnected from reality, claim of just 18 in three years is so disconnected from reality, I so disconnected from reality, I assume so disconnected from reality, I assume Mr so disconnected from reality, I assume Mr Trump so disconnected from reality, I assume Mr Trump wrote so disconnected from reality, I assume Mr Trump wrote it. assume Mr Trump wrote it. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! Order! Order! I've Order! I've got Order! I've got one Order! I've got one or Order! I've got one or two Order! I've got one or two regular I've got one or two regular interjectors I've got one or two regular interjectors in I've got one or two regular interjectors in my I've got one or two regular interjectors in my sights. I've got one or two regular interjectors in my sights. I I've got one or two regular interjectors in my sights. I will interjectors in my sights. I will deal interjectors in my sights. I will deal with interjectors in my sights. I will deal with them interjectors in my sights. I will deal with them relatively interjectors in my sights. I will deal with them relatively severely deal with them relatively severely if deal with them relatively severely if they deal with them relatively severely if they continue deal with them relatively severely if they continue to deal with them relatively severely if they continue to yell deal with them relatively severely if they continue to yell across deal with them relatively severely if they continue to yell across the if they continue to yell across the House. if they continue to yell across the House. On if they continue to yell across the House. On this if they continue to yell across the House. On this occasion, if they continue to yell across the House. On this occasion, it's House. On this occasion, it's occurring House. On this occasion, it's occurring from House. On this occasion, it's occurring from both House. On this occasion, it's occurring from both sides House. On this occasion, it's occurring from both sides of House. On this occasion, it's occurring from both sides of the occurring from both sides of the House. occurring from both sides of the House. Take occurring from both sides of the House. Take that occurring from both sides of the House. Take that as occurring from both sides of the House. Take that as a occurring from both sides of the House. Take that as a warning. House. Take that as a warning. Supplementary House. Take that as a warning. Supplementary question, House. Take that as a warning. Supplementary question, the House. Take that as a warning. Supplementary question, the Rt House. Take that as a warning. Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. How Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. How can Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. How can he, Winston Peters. How can he, minister, Winston Peters. How can he, minister, boast Winston Peters. How can he, minister, boast about Winston Peters. How can he, minister, boast about his minister, boast about his Government's minister, boast about his Government's housing minister, boast about his Government's housing reform Government's housing reform programme, Government's housing reform programme, when Government's housing reform programme, when his Government's housing reform programme, when his own Government's housing reform programme, when his own department programme, when his own department doesn't programme, when his own department doesn't collect programme, when his own department doesn't collect Code programme, when his own department doesn't collect Code of programme, when his own department doesn't collect Code of Compliance doesn't collect Code of Compliance certificates doesn't collect Code of Compliance certificates issued doesn't collect Code of Compliance certificates issued once doesn't collect Code of Compliance certificates issued once a doesn't collect Code of Compliance certificates issued once a house doesn't collect Code of Compliance certificates issued once a house has certificates issued once a house has been certificates issued once a house has been built? certificates issued once a house has been built? That certificates issued once a house has been built? That member certificates issued once a house has been built? That member has certificates issued once a house has been built? That member has made certificates issued once a house has been built? That member has made the been built? That member has made the mistake been built? That member has made the mistake of been built? That member has made the mistake of disconnecting been built? That member has made the mistake of disconnecting the been built? That member has made the mistake of disconnecting the number mistake of disconnecting the number of mistake of disconnecting the number of Code mistake of disconnecting the number of Code Compliance mistake of disconnecting the number of Code Compliance certificates mistake of disconnecting the number of Code Compliance certificates from of Code Compliance certificates from residencies. of Code Compliance certificates from residencies. There's of Code Compliance certificates from residencies. There's a of Code Compliance certificates from residencies. There's a very of Code Compliance certificates from residencies. There's a very simple residencies. There's a very simple reason residencies. There's a very simple reason for residencies. There's a very simple reason for that. residencies. There's a very simple reason for that. When residencies. There's a very simple reason for that. When you residencies. There's a very simple reason for that. When you build residencies. There's a very simple reason for that. When you build an reason for that. When you build an apartment reason for that. When you build an apartment complex reason for that. When you build an apartment complex of reason for that. When you build an apartment complex of 100 reason for that. When you build an apartment complex of 100 homes, apartment complex of 100 homes, there's apartment complex of 100 homes, there's 100 apartment complex of 100 homes, there's 100 building apartment complex of 100 homes, there's 100 building consents, apartment complex of 100 homes, there's 100 building consents, but there's 100 building consents, but just there's 100 building consents, but just one there's 100 building consents, but just one Code there's 100 building consents, but just one Code Compliance just one Code Compliance certificate. just one Code Compliance certificate. The just one Code Compliance certificate. The member just one Code Compliance certificate. The member needs just one Code Compliance certificate. The member needs a just one Code Compliance certificate. The member needs a far certificate. The member needs a far better certificate. The member needs a far better practical certificate. The member needs a far better practical knowledge certificate. The member needs a far better practical knowledge of certificate. The member needs a far better practical knowledge of the better practical knowledge of the building better practical knowledge of the building sector. better practical knowledge of the building sector. If better practical knowledge of the building sector. If the better practical knowledge of the building sector. If the Reserve better practical knowledge of the building sector. If the Reserve Bank building sector. If the Reserve Bank and building sector. If the Reserve Bank and the building sector. If the Reserve Bank and the Auckland building sector. If the Reserve Bank and the Auckland Chamber building sector. If the Reserve Bank and the Auckland Chamber of building sector. If the Reserve Bank and the Auckland Chamber of Commerce and the Auckland Chamber of Commerce say and the Auckland Chamber of Commerce say that, and the Auckland Chamber of Commerce say that, in and the Auckland Chamber of Commerce say that, in Auckland and the Auckland Chamber of Commerce say that, in Auckland last and the Auckland Chamber of Commerce say that, in Auckland last year, say that, in Auckland last year, 9,251 say that, in Auckland last year, 9,251 consents say that, in Auckland last year, 9,251 consents were say that, in Auckland last year, 9,251 consents were dished say that, in Auckland last year, 9,251 consents were dished out, say that, in Auckland last year, 9,251 consents were dished out, but 9,251 consents were dished out, but only 9,251 consents were dished out, but only 573 9,251 consents were dished out, but only 573 housing 9,251 consents were dished out, but only 573 housing completions only 573 housing completions happened, only 573 housing completions happened, less only 573 housing completions happened, less than only 573 housing completions happened, less than half only 573 housing completions happened, less than half the only 573 housing completions happened, less than half the 13,000 happened, less than half the 13,000 needed happened, less than half the 13,000 needed for happened, less than half the 13,000 needed for migrants happened, less than half the 13,000 needed for migrants alone, happened, less than half the 13,000 needed for migrants alone, why needed for migrants alone, why doesn't needed for migrants alone, why doesn't he needed for migrants alone, why doesn't he just needed for migrants alone, why doesn't he just sit needed for migrants alone, why doesn't he just sit down needed for migrants alone, why doesn't he just sit down and needed for migrants alone, why doesn't he just sit down and resign? doesn't he just sit down and resign? Because doesn't he just sit down and resign? Because that doesn't he just sit down and resign? Because that member doesn't he just sit down and resign? Because that member is doesn't he just sit down and resign? Because that member is so Because that member is so disconnected Because that member is so disconnected from Because that member is so disconnected from the Because that member is so disconnected from the realities Because that member is so disconnected from the realities of disconnected from the realities of the disconnected from the realities of the building disconnected from the realities of the building industry disconnected from the realities of the building industry that, the building industry that, actually, the building industry that, actually, the the building industry that, actually, the amount the building industry that, actually, the amount of the building industry that, actually, the amount of building actually, the amount of building activity actually, the amount of building activity in actually, the amount of building activity in Auckland actually, the amount of building activity in Auckland and actually, the amount of building activity in Auckland and across actually, the amount of building activity in Auckland and across the activity in Auckland and across the country activity in Auckland and across the country is activity in Auckland and across the country is at activity in Auckland and across the country is at record activity in Auckland and across the country is at record levels, activity in Auckland and across the country is at record levels, now country is at record levels, now over country is at record levels, now over $12 country is at record levels, now over $12 billion country is at record levels, now over $12 billion per country is at record levels, now over $12 billion per year country is at record levels, now over $12 billion per year - country is at record levels, now over $12 billion per year - that's over $12 billion per year - that's reflected over $12 billion per year - that's reflected in over $12 billion per year - that's reflected in the over $12 billion per year - that's reflected in the GDP over $12 billion per year - that's reflected in the GDP figures, over $12 billion per year - that's reflected in the GDP figures, that's reflected in the GDP figures, that's reflected reflected in the GDP figures, that's reflected in reflected in the GDP figures, that's reflected in the reflected in the GDP figures, that's reflected in the employment reflected in the GDP figures, that's reflected in the employment figures, reflected in the employment figures, so reflected in the employment figures, so that reflected in the employment figures, so that every reflected in the employment figures, so that every part reflected in the employment figures, so that every part of reflected in the employment figures, so that every part of the reflected in the employment figures, so that every part of the building so that every part of the building system so that every part of the building system is so that every part of the building system is going so that every part of the building system is going gang so that every part of the building system is going gang busters. so that every part of the building system is going gang busters. Point system is going gang busters. Point of system is going gang busters. Point of order. system is going gang busters. Point of order. Order! system is going gang busters. Point of order. Order! Point system is going gang busters. Point of order. Order! Point of system is going gang busters. Point of order. Order! Point of order, system is going gang busters. Point of order. Order! Point of order, the of order. Order! Point of order, the Rt of order. Order! Point of order, the Rt Hon of order. Order! Point of order, the Rt Hon Winston of order. Order! Point of order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. of order. Order! Point of order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. I of order. Order! Point of order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. I seek of order. Order! Point of order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. I seek to Rt Hon Winston Peters. I seek to table Rt Hon Winston Peters. I seek to table local Rt Hon Winston Peters. I seek to table local government Rt Hon Winston Peters. I seek to table local government official table local government official meetings table local government official meetings act table local government official meetings act request table local government official meetings act request from table local government official meetings act request from the meetings act request from the Auckland meetings act request from the Auckland Council meetings act request from the Auckland Council to meetings act request from the Auckland Council to us meetings act request from the Auckland Council to us exclusively, Auckland Council to us exclusively, New Auckland Council to us exclusively, New Zealand Auckland Council to us exclusively, New Zealand First, Auckland Council to us exclusively, New Zealand First, and Auckland Council to us exclusively, New Zealand First, and also Auckland Council to us exclusively, New Zealand First, and also Mr New Zealand First, and also Mr Smith's New Zealand First, and also Mr Smith's answer New Zealand First, and also Mr Smith's answer on New Zealand First, and also Mr Smith's answer on the New Zealand First, and also Mr Smith's answer on the matter New Zealand First, and also Mr Smith's answer on the matter to New Zealand First, and also Mr Smith's answer on the matter to us Smith's answer on the matter to us to Smith's answer on the matter to us to a Smith's answer on the matter to us to a written Smith's answer on the matter to us to a written question. Smith's answer on the matter to us to a written question. Perhaps Smith's answer on the matter to us to a written question. Perhaps we'll to a written question. Perhaps we'll see to a written question. Perhaps we'll see who's to a written question. Perhaps we'll see who's disconnected to a written question. Perhaps we'll see who's disconnected now. to a written question. Perhaps we'll see who's disconnected now. Order! see who's disconnected now. Order! I'll see who's disconnected now. Order! I'll put see who's disconnected now. Order! I'll put the see who's disconnected now. Order! I'll put the leave see who's disconnected now. Order! I'll put the leave with see who's disconnected now. Order! I'll put the leave with regards see who's disconnected now. Order! I'll put the leave with regards to I'll put the leave with regards to the I'll put the leave with regards to the first I'll put the leave with regards to the first document. I'll put the leave with regards to the first document. I I'll put the leave with regards to the first document. I will I'll put the leave with regards to the first document. I will not I'll put the leave with regards to the first document. I will not put the first document. I will not put leave the first document. I will not put leave with the first document. I will not put leave with regards the first document. I will not put leave with regards to the first document. I will not put leave with regards to the the first document. I will not put leave with regards to the second leave with regards to the second document, leave with regards to the second document, which leave with regards to the second document, which I leave with regards to the second document, which I take leave with regards to the second document, which I take to leave with regards to the second document, which I take to be leave with regards to the second document, which I take to be an document, which I take to be an answer document, which I take to be an answer to document, which I take to be an answer to a document, which I take to be an answer to a written document, which I take to be an answer to a written question document, which I take to be an answer to a written question which answer to a written question which are answer to a written question which are now answer to a written question which are now already answer to a written question which are now already available answer to a written question which are now already available to answer to a written question which are now already available to all are now already available to all members. are now already available to all members. So, are now already available to all members. So, leave are now already available to all members. So, leave is are now already available to all members. So, leave is sought are now already available to all members. So, leave is sought to members. So, leave is sought to table members. So, leave is sought to table some members. So, leave is sought to table some local members. So, leave is sought to table some local government table some local government information table some local government information from table some local government information from the table some local government information from the Auckland information from the Auckland Council information from the Auckland Council to information from the Auckland Council to the information from the Auckland Council to the New information from the Auckland Council to the New Zealand information from the Auckland Council to the New Zealand First Council to the New Zealand First Party. Council to the New Zealand First Party. Is Council to the New Zealand First Party. Is there Council to the New Zealand First Party. Is there any Council to the New Zealand First Party. Is there any objection Council to the New Zealand First Party. Is there any objection to Party. Is there any objection to that Party. Is there any objection to that being Party. Is there any objection to that being tabled? Party. Is there any objection to that being tabled? There Party. Is there any objection to that being tabled? There is Party. Is there any objection to that being tabled? There is not. Party. Is there any objection to that being tabled? There is not. It that being tabled? There is not. It can that being tabled? There is not. It can be that being tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. that being tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Supplementary can be tabled. Supplementary question, can be tabled. Supplementary question, Joanne can be tabled. Supplementary question, Joanne Hayes. can be tabled. Supplementary question, Joanne Hayes. What question, Joanne Hayes. What credence question, Joanne Hayes. What credence does question, Joanne Hayes. What credence does he question, Joanne Hayes. What credence does he give question, Joanne Hayes. What credence does he give to question, Joanne Hayes. What credence does he give to claims question, Joanne Hayes. What credence does he give to claims that credence does he give to claims that the credence does he give to claims that the building credence does he give to claims that the building consent credence does he give to claims that the building consent data credence does he give to claims that the building consent data cannot credence does he give to claims that the building consent data cannot be the building consent data cannot be relied the building consent data cannot be relied upon, the building consent data cannot be relied upon, given the building consent data cannot be relied upon, given that the building consent data cannot be relied upon, given that some relied upon, given that some developments, relied upon, given that some developments, like relied upon, given that some developments, like the relied upon, given that some developments, like the high-profile developments, like the high-profile Flow developments, like the high-profile Flow development, developments, like the high-profile Flow development, involving developments, like the high-profile Flow development, involving about Flow development, involving about 100 Flow development, involving about 100 apartments, Flow development, involving about 100 apartments, is Flow development, involving about 100 apartments, is not Flow development, involving about 100 apartments, is not proceeding? 100 apartments, is not proceeding? The 100 apartments, is not proceeding? The reason 100 apartments, is not proceeding? The reason I 100 apartments, is not proceeding? The reason I have 100 apartments, is not proceeding? The reason I have confidence 100 apartments, is not proceeding? The reason I have confidence in 100 apartments, is not proceeding? The reason I have confidence in the The reason I have confidence in the monthly The reason I have confidence in the monthly building The reason I have confidence in the monthly building consent The reason I have confidence in the monthly building consent data The reason I have confidence in the monthly building consent data is monthly building consent data is that monthly building consent data is that it monthly building consent data is that it corelates, monthly building consent data is that it corelates, historically, monthly building consent data is that it corelates, historically, so that it corelates, historically, so closely that it corelates, historically, so closely to that it corelates, historically, so closely to census that it corelates, historically, so closely to census data that it corelates, historically, so closely to census data on that it corelates, historically, so closely to census data on the that it corelates, historically, so closely to census data on the number closely to census data on the number of closely to census data on the number of changes closely to census data on the number of changes in closely to census data on the number of changes in houses. closely to census data on the number of changes in houses. So, closely to census data on the number of changes in houses. So, for of changes in houses. So, for instance, of changes in houses. So, for instance, in of changes in houses. So, for instance, in Auckland, of changes in houses. So, for instance, in Auckland, between of changes in houses. So, for instance, in Auckland, between the instance, in Auckland, between the last instance, in Auckland, between the last two instance, in Auckland, between the last two census, instance, in Auckland, between the last two census, the instance, in Auckland, between the last two census, the number instance, in Auckland, between the last two census, the number of instance, in Auckland, between the last two census, the number of homes last two census, the number of homes increased last two census, the number of homes increased by last two census, the number of homes increased by 33,777, last two census, the number of homes increased by 33,777, the last two census, the number of homes increased by 33,777, the number last two census, the number of homes increased by 33,777, the number of increased by 33,777, the number of building increased by 33,777, the number of building consents increased by 33,777, the number of building consents issued increased by 33,777, the number of building consents issued over increased by 33,777, the number of building consents issued over the building consents issued over the relevant building consents issued over the relevant period building consents issued over the relevant period was building consents issued over the relevant period was 33,703 building consents issued over the relevant period was 33,703 - building consents issued over the relevant period was 33,703 - ie, relevant period was 33,703 - ie, within relevant period was 33,703 - ie, within 1%. relevant period was 33,703 - ie, within 1%. There relevant period was 33,703 - ie, within 1%. There has relevant period was 33,703 - ie, within 1%. There has been relevant period was 33,703 - ie, within 1%. There has been some within 1%. There has been some townhouse within 1%. There has been some townhouse and within 1%. There has been some townhouse and apartment within 1%. There has been some townhouse and apartment developments townhouse and apartment developments like townhouse and apartment developments like Flow townhouse and apartment developments like Flow that townhouse and apartment developments like Flow that have townhouse and apartment developments like Flow that have not townhouse and apartment developments like Flow that have not proceeded, like Flow that have not proceeded, but like Flow that have not proceeded, but building like Flow that have not proceeded, but building consents like Flow that have not proceeded, but building consents for like Flow that have not proceeded, but building consents for those like Flow that have not proceeded, but building consents for those have but building consents for those have not but building consents for those have not been but building consents for those have not been issued but building consents for those have not been issued or but building consents for those have not been issued or counted. but building consents for those have not been issued or counted. Building not been issued or counted. Building consents not been issued or counted. Building consents trigger not been issued or counted. Building consents trigger substantial not been issued or counted. Building consents trigger substantial fees consents trigger substantial fees and consents trigger substantial fees and levies, consents trigger substantial fees and levies, amounting consents trigger substantial fees and levies, amounting for consents trigger substantial fees and levies, amounting for a and levies, amounting for a development and levies, amounting for a development such and levies, amounting for a development such as and levies, amounting for a development such as Flow and levies, amounting for a development such as Flow for development such as Flow for hundreds development such as Flow for hundreds of development such as Flow for hundreds of thousands development such as Flow for hundreds of thousands of development such as Flow for hundreds of thousands of dollars development such as Flow for hundreds of thousands of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars and a hundreds of thousands of dollars and a -- hundreds of thousands of dollars and a -- are hundreds of thousands of dollars and a -- are generally hundreds of thousands of dollars and a -- are generally only hundreds of thousands of dollars and a -- are generally only sought hundreds of thousands of dollars and a -- are generally only sought when a -- are generally only sought when finance a -- are generally only sought when finance is a -- are generally only sought when finance is concerned a -- are generally only sought when finance is concerned and a -- are generally only sought when finance is concerned and if a -- are generally only sought when finance is concerned and if element finance is concerned and if element is finance is concerned and if element is ready finance is concerned and if element is ready to finance is concerned and if element is ready to go, finance is concerned and if element is ready to go, and finance is concerned and if element is ready to go, and that finance is concerned and if element is ready to go, and that is finance is concerned and if element is ready to go, and that is why finance is concerned and if element is ready to go, and that is why this is ready to go, and that is why this House is ready to go, and that is why this House can is ready to go, and that is why this House can have is ready to go, and that is why this House can have confidence is ready to go, and that is why this House can have confidence in is ready to go, and that is why this House can have confidence in those House can have confidence in those very House can have confidence in those very strong, House can have confidence in those very strong, growing, House can have confidence in those very strong, growing, building very strong, growing, building consent very strong, growing, building consent numbers. What What progress What progress has What progress has been What progress has been made What progress has been made in What progress has been made in minimising What progress has been made in minimising the What progress has been made in minimising the impact What progress has been made in minimising the impact of What progress has been made in minimising the impact of appeals What progress has been made in minimising the impact of appeals on minimising the impact of appeals on bringing minimising the impact of appeals on bringing the minimising the impact of appeals on bringing the new minimising the impact of appeals on bringing the new Auckland minimising the impact of appeals on bringing the new Auckland Unitary bringing the new Auckland Unitary Plan bringing the new Auckland Unitary Plan into bringing the new Auckland Unitary Plan into effect bringing the new Auckland Unitary Plan into effect and bringing the new Auckland Unitary Plan into effect and enabling bringing the new Auckland Unitary Plan into effect and enabling the Plan into effect and enabling the 420,000 Plan into effect and enabling the 420,000 new Plan into effect and enabling the 420,000 new home Plan into effect and enabling the 420,000 new home capacities Plan into effect and enabling the 420,000 new home capacities to Plan into effect and enabling the 420,000 new home capacities to be 420,000 new home capacities to be utilised? 420,000 new home capacities to be utilised? The 420,000 new home capacities to be utilised? The Government 420,000 new home capacities to be utilised? The Government has 420,000 new home capacities to be utilised? The Government has been utilised? The Government has been working utilised? The Government has been working with utilised? The Government has been working with the utilised? The Government has been working with the Auckland utilised? The Government has been working with the Auckland Council utilised? The Government has been working with the Auckland Council to working with the Auckland Council to minimise working with the Auckland Council to minimise the working with the Auckland Council to minimise the impact working with the Auckland Council to minimise the impact of working with the Auckland Council to minimise the impact of those working with the Auckland Council to minimise the impact of those appeals minimise the impact of those appeals and minimise the impact of those appeals and to minimise the impact of those appeals and to take minimise the impact of those appeals and to take advantage minimise the impact of those appeals and to take advantage of minimise the impact of those appeals and to take advantage of the minimise the impact of those appeals and to take advantage of the new and to take advantage of the new Unitary and to take advantage of the new Unitary Plan. and to take advantage of the new Unitary Plan. I'm and to take advantage of the new Unitary Plan. I'm very and to take advantage of the new Unitary Plan. I'm very pleased and to take advantage of the new Unitary Plan. I'm very pleased today Unitary Plan. I'm very pleased today that Unitary Plan. I'm very pleased today that the Unitary Plan. I'm very pleased today that the appeal Unitary Plan. I'm very pleased today that the appeal pleadings Unitary Plan. I'm very pleased today that the appeal pleadings have Unitary Plan. I'm very pleased today that the appeal pleadings have been that the appeal pleadings have been significantly that the appeal pleadings have been significantly amended that the appeal pleadings have been significantly amended so that the appeal pleadings have been significantly amended so that that the appeal pleadings have been significantly amended so that they significantly amended so that they only significantly amended so that they only impact significantly amended so that they only impact on significantly amended so that they only impact on 29,000 significantly amended so that they only impact on 29,000 of significantly amended so that they only impact on 29,000 of those only impact on 29,000 of those 430,000, only impact on 29,000 of those 430,000, about only impact on 29,000 of those 430,000, about 70%. only impact on 29,000 of those 430,000, about 70%. That only impact on 29,000 of those 430,000, about 70%. That means only impact on 29,000 of those 430,000, about 70%. That means as only impact on 29,000 of those 430,000, about 70%. That means as of 430,000, about 70%. That means as of today 430,000, about 70%. That means as of today 90% 430,000, about 70%. That means as of today 90% of 430,000, about 70%. That means as of today 90% of the 430,000, about 70%. That means as of today 90% of the new 430,000, about 70%. That means as of today 90% of the new housing today 90% of the new housing capacity today 90% of the new housing capacity in today 90% of the new housing capacity in the today 90% of the new housing capacity in the Auckland today 90% of the new housing capacity in the Auckland Unitary capacity in the Auckland Unitary Plan capacity in the Auckland Unitary Plan takes capacity in the Auckland Unitary Plan takes effect. capacity in the Auckland Unitary Plan takes effect. Question capacity in the Auckland Unitary Plan takes effect. Question No. capacity in the Auckland Unitary Plan takes effect. Question No. 5. Plan takes effect. Question No. 5. Ron Plan takes effect. Question No. 5. Ron Mark. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Minister of Police: Does Minister of Police: Does she Minister of Police: Does she stand Minister of Police: Does she stand by Does she stand by all Does she stand by all her Does she stand by all her statements; Does she stand by all her statements; if Does she stand by all her statements; if so, Does she stand by all her statements; if so, how? The The Hon The Hon Judith The Hon Judith Collins. The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. And The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. And as The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. And as to The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. And as to how, The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. And as to how, with The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. And as to how, with confidence The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. And as to how, with confidence and The Hon Judith Collins. Yes. And as to how, with confidence and clarity. to how, with confidence and clarity. And to how, with confidence and clarity. And I to how, with confidence and clarity. And I have to how, with confidence and clarity. And I have been to how, with confidence and clarity. And I have been told to how, with confidence and clarity. And I have been told just And I have been told just occasionally And I have been told just occasionally just And I have been told just occasionally just a And I have been told just occasionally just a little And I have been told just occasionally just a little bit And I have been told just occasionally just a little bit of occasionally just a little bit of charm. occasionally just a little bit of charm. <INTERRUPTION> charm. <INTERRUPTION> Order! charm. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary charm. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, charm. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, Ron Order! Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Order! Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank Order! Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Order! Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Order! Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Order! Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To Order! Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: How Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: How does Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: How does she Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: How does she reconcile Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: How does she reconcile her Minister: How does she reconcile her government's Minister: How does she reconcile her government's promise Minister: How does she reconcile her government's promise in Minister: How does she reconcile her government's promise in 2008 Minister: How does she reconcile her government's promise in 2008 to government's promise in 2008 to maintain government's promise in 2008 to maintain a government's promise in 2008 to maintain a ratio government's promise in 2008 to maintain a ratio of government's promise in 2008 to maintain a ratio of one government's promise in 2008 to maintain a ratio of one police maintain a ratio of one police officer maintain a ratio of one police officer for maintain a ratio of one police officer for every maintain a ratio of one police officer for every 500 maintain a ratio of one police officer for every 500 people, maintain a ratio of one police officer for every 500 people, with officer for every 500 people, with her officer for every 500 people, with her own officer for every 500 people, with her own admission officer for every 500 people, with her own admission in officer for every 500 people, with her own admission in August officer for every 500 people, with her own admission in August that officer for every 500 people, with her own admission in August that can her own admission in August that can has her own admission in August that can has "slipped her own admission in August that can has "slipped to her own admission in August that can has "slipped to one her own admission in August that can has "slipped to one in her own admission in August that can has "slipped to one in every her own admission in August that can has "slipped to one in every 220 her own admission in August that can has "slipped to one in every 220 - has "slipped to one in every 220 - sorry, has "slipped to one in every 220 - sorry, 526 has "slipped to one in every 220 - sorry, 526 people"? has "slipped to one in every 220 - sorry, 526 people"? The has "slipped to one in every 220 - sorry, 526 people"? The Hon has "slipped to one in every 220 - sorry, 526 people"? The Hon Judith sorry, 526 people"? The Hon Judith Collins. sorry, 526 people"? The Hon Judith Collins. Well, sorry, 526 people"? The Hon Judith Collins. Well, obviously sorry, 526 people"? The Hon Judith Collins. Well, obviously the sorry, 526 people"? The Hon Judith Collins. Well, obviously the figure Collins. Well, obviously the figure that Collins. Well, obviously the figure that is Collins. Well, obviously the figure that is I've Collins. Well, obviously the figure that is I've given Collins. Well, obviously the figure that is I've given the Collins. Well, obviously the figure that is I've given the member Collins. Well, obviously the figure that is I've given the member are that is I've given the member are absolutely that is I've given the member are absolutely correct that is I've given the member are absolutely correct and that is I've given the member are absolutely correct and clearly that is I've given the member are absolutely correct and clearly I absolutely correct and clearly I stand absolutely correct and clearly I stand by absolutely correct and clearly I stand by them. absolutely correct and clearly I stand by them. Supplementary. stand by them. Supplementary. Supplementary stand by them. Supplementary. Supplementary question, stand by them. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Ron stand by them. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why is Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why is she Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why is she claiming Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why is she claiming credit Minister: Why is she claiming credit for Minister: Why is she claiming credit for the Minister: Why is she claiming credit for the only Minister: Why is she claiming credit for the only increase Minister: Why is she claiming credit for the only increase to Minister: Why is she claiming credit for the only increase to police for the only increase to police numbers for the only increase to police numbers that for the only increase to police numbers that have for the only increase to police numbers that have ever for the only increase to police numbers that have ever occurred numbers that have ever occurred under numbers that have ever occurred under this numbers that have ever occurred under this Government numbers that have ever occurred under this Government back numbers that have ever occurred under this Government back in numbers that have ever occurred under this Government back in 2009 under this Government back in 2009 when under this Government back in 2009 when that under this Government back in 2009 when that increase under this Government back in 2009 when that increase had under this Government back in 2009 when that increase had been when that increase had been committed when that increase had been committed and when that increase had been committed and announced when that increase had been committed and announced by when that increase had been committed and announced by the committed and announced by the previous committed and announced by the previous government committed and announced by the previous government through committed and announced by the previous government through the committed and announced by the previous government through the New previous government through the New Zealand previous government through the New Zealand First previous government through the New Zealand First Confidence previous government through the New Zealand First Confidence and previous government through the New Zealand First Confidence and Supply Zealand First Confidence and Supply Agreement? Zealand First Confidence and Supply Agreement? Well, Zealand First Confidence and Supply Agreement? Well, clearly Zealand First Confidence and Supply Agreement? Well, clearly that Zealand First Confidence and Supply Agreement? Well, clearly that member Agreement? Well, clearly that member is Agreement? Well, clearly that member is wrong. Agreement? Well, clearly that member is wrong. But Agreement? Well, clearly that member is wrong. But I Agreement? Well, clearly that member is wrong. But I would Agreement? Well, clearly that member is wrong. But I would also Agreement? Well, clearly that member is wrong. But I would also say is wrong. But I would also say there's is wrong. But I would also say there's a is wrong. But I would also say there's a huge is wrong. But I would also say there's a huge difference is wrong. But I would also say there's a huge difference between there's a huge difference between promising there's a huge difference between promising and there's a huge difference between promising and delivering. there's a huge difference between promising and delivering. This promising and delivering. This Government promising and delivering. This Government delivers. promising and delivering. This Government delivers. Supplementary. Government delivers. Supplementary. Supplementary Government delivers. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Government delivers. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Ron Government delivers. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. In Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. In her Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. In her last Thank you, Mr Speaker. In her last role Thank you, Mr Speaker. In her last role as Thank you, Mr Speaker. In her last role as Police Thank you, Mr Speaker. In her last role as Police Minister, Thank you, Mr Speaker. In her last role as Police Minister, before Thank you, Mr Speaker. In her last role as Police Minister, before she role as Police Minister, before she was role as Police Minister, before she was placed, role as Police Minister, before she was placed, why role as Police Minister, before she was placed, why did role as Police Minister, before she was placed, why did she role as Police Minister, before she was placed, why did she freeze role as Police Minister, before she was placed, why did she freeze the was placed, why did she freeze the police was placed, why did she freeze the police budget was placed, why did she freeze the police budget in was placed, why did she freeze the police budget in 2010? was placed, why did she freeze the police budget in 2010? The was placed, why did she freeze the police budget in 2010? The Hon police budget in 2010? The Hon Judith police budget in 2010? The Hon Judith Collins. police budget in 2010? The Hon Judith Collins. I police budget in 2010? The Hon Judith Collins. I actually police budget in 2010? The Hon Judith Collins. I actually didn't Judith Collins. I actually didn't hear Judith Collins. I actually didn't hear what Judith Collins. I actually didn't hear what that Judith Collins. I actually didn't hear what that member Judith Collins. I actually didn't hear what that member said Judith Collins. I actually didn't hear what that member said halfway hear what that member said halfway through hear what that member said halfway through his hear what that member said halfway through his question. hear what that member said halfway through his question. Would hear what that member said halfway through his question. Would he hear what that member said halfway through his question. Would he like through his question. Would he like to through his question. Would he like to repeat through his question. Would he like to repeat it? through his question. Would he like to repeat it? I'll through his question. Would he like to repeat it? I'll allow through his question. Would he like to repeat it? I'll allow the through his question. Would he like to repeat it? I'll allow the member to repeat it? I'll allow the member to to repeat it? I'll allow the member to repeat to repeat it? I'll allow the member to repeat the to repeat it? I'll allow the member to repeat the question. to repeat it? I'll allow the member to repeat the question. Thank to repeat it? I'll allow the member to repeat the question. Thank you, to repeat the question. Thank you, to to repeat the question. Thank you, to the to repeat the question. Thank you, to the Minister: to repeat the question. Thank you, to the Minister: Why to repeat the question. Thank you, to the Minister: Why in to repeat the question. Thank you, to the Minister: Why in her to repeat the question. Thank you, to the Minister: Why in her last to repeat the question. Thank you, to the Minister: Why in her last so to the Minister: Why in her last so adjourn to the Minister: Why in her last so adjourn as to the Minister: Why in her last so adjourn as the to the Minister: Why in her last so adjourn as the Police to the Minister: Why in her last so adjourn as the Police Minister adjourn as the Police Minister before adjourn as the Police Minister before she adjourn as the Police Minister before she was adjourn as the Police Minister before she was replaced adjourn as the Police Minister before she was replaced did adjourn as the Police Minister before she was replaced did she before she was replaced did she freeze before she was replaced did she freeze the before she was replaced did she freeze the police before she was replaced did she freeze the police budget before she was replaced did she freeze the police budget in before she was replaced did she freeze the police budget in 2010? freeze the police budget in 2010? The freeze the police budget in 2010? The Hon freeze the police budget in 2010? The Hon Judith freeze the police budget in 2010? The Hon Judith Collins. freeze the police budget in 2010? The Hon Judith Collins. Well, The Hon Judith Collins. Well, clearly The Hon Judith Collins. Well, clearly I The Hon Judith Collins. Well, clearly I wasn't The Hon Judith Collins. Well, clearly I wasn't replaced. The Hon Judith Collins. Well, clearly I wasn't replaced. I I I was I was promoted. I was promoted. Supplementary. I was promoted. Supplementary. Supplementary I was promoted. Supplementary. Supplementary question, I was promoted. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Ron I was promoted. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. I was promoted. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. To Supplementary question, Ron Mark. To the Supplementary question, Ron Mark. To the Police Supplementary question, Ron Mark. To the Police Minister: Supplementary question, Ron Mark. To the Police Minister: did Supplementary question, Ron Mark. To the Police Minister: did she Supplementary question, Ron Mark. To the Police Minister: did she really the Police Minister: did she really have the Police Minister: did she really have meetings the Police Minister: did she really have meetings with the Police Minister: did she really have meetings with the the Police Minister: did she really have meetings with the PM the Police Minister: did she really have meetings with the PM in the Police Minister: did she really have meetings with the PM in June have meetings with the PM in June about have meetings with the PM in June about police have meetings with the PM in June about police resourcing have meetings with the PM in June about police resourcing considering about police resourcing considering she about police resourcing considering she has about police resourcing considering she has not about police resourcing considering she has not been about police resourcing considering she has not been able about police resourcing considering she has not been able to about police resourcing considering she has not been able to release she has not been able to release dates, she has not been able to release dates, reports she has not been able to release dates, reports and she has not been able to release dates, reports and briefings she has not been able to release dates, reports and briefings related dates, reports and briefings related to dates, reports and briefings related to those dates, reports and briefings related to those meetings dates, reports and briefings related to those meetings which dates, reports and briefings related to those meetings which was to those meetings which was requested to those meetings which was requested under to those meetings which was requested under the to those meetings which was requested under the Official requested under the Official Information requested under the Official Information Act requested under the Official Information Act by requested under the Official Information Act by New requested under the Official Information Act by New Zealand requested under the Official Information Act by New Zealand First Information Act by New Zealand First two Information Act by New Zealand First two months Information Act by New Zealand First two months ago? Information Act by New Zealand First two months ago? Yes, Information Act by New Zealand First two months ago? Yes, I Information Act by New Zealand First two months ago? Yes, I did. Information Act by New Zealand First two months ago? Yes, I did. Point Information Act by New Zealand First two months ago? Yes, I did. Point of two months ago? Yes, I did. Point of order. two months ago? Yes, I did. Point of order. Point two months ago? Yes, I did. Point of order. Point of two months ago? Yes, I did. Point of order. Point of order, two months ago? Yes, I did. Point of order. Point of order, Ron two months ago? Yes, I did. Point of order. Point of order, Ron Mark. two months ago? Yes, I did. Point of order. Point of order, Ron Mark. I order. Point of order, Ron Mark. I seek order. Point of order, Ron Mark. I seek the order. Point of order, Ron Mark. I seek the leave order. Point of order, Ron Mark. I seek the leave of order. Point of order, Ron Mark. I seek the leave of the order. Point of order, Ron Mark. I seek the leave of the House order. Point of order, Ron Mark. I seek the leave of the House to seek the leave of the House to table... seek the leave of the House to table... Order! seek the leave of the House to table... Order! I seek the leave of the House to table... Order! I need seek the leave of the House to table... Order! I need to seek the leave of the House to table... Order! I need to hear seek the leave of the House to table... Order! I need to hear it, table... Order! I need to hear it, so table... Order! I need to hear it, so I table... Order! I need to hear it, so I can't table... Order! I need to hear it, so I can't do table... Order! I need to hear it, so I can't do that table... Order! I need to hear it, so I can't do that with so I can't do that with interjections. so I can't do that with interjections. Can so I can't do that with interjections. Can the so I can't do that with interjections. Can the member so I can't do that with interjections. Can the member start interjections. Can the member start again? interjections. Can the member start again? I interjections. Can the member start again? I seek interjections. Can the member start again? I seek the interjections. Can the member start again? I seek the leave interjections. Can the member start again? I seek the leave of interjections. Can the member start again? I seek the leave of the interjections. Can the member start again? I seek the leave of the House again? I seek the leave of the House to again? I seek the leave of the House to table again? I seek the leave of the House to table an again? I seek the leave of the House to table an OIA again? I seek the leave of the House to table an OIA dated again? I seek the leave of the House to table an OIA dated 11 again? I seek the leave of the House to table an OIA dated 11 August to table an OIA dated 11 August which to table an OIA dated 11 August which was to table an OIA dated 11 August which was extended to table an OIA dated 11 August which was extended to to table an OIA dated 11 August which was extended to 29 to table an OIA dated 11 August which was extended to 29 September which was extended to 29 September and which was extended to 29 September and still which was extended to 29 September and still hasn't which was extended to 29 September and still hasn't been which was extended to 29 September and still hasn't been answered which was extended to 29 September and still hasn't been answered by and still hasn't been answered by the and still hasn't been answered by the Minister. and still hasn't been answered by the Minister. Order! and still hasn't been answered by the Minister. Order! I and still hasn't been answered by the Minister. Order! I don't and still hasn't been answered by the Minister. Order! I don't need the Minister. Order! I don't need that the Minister. Order! I don't need that part. the Minister. Order! I don't need that part. I the Minister. Order! I don't need that part. I just the Minister. Order! I don't need that part. I just need the Minister. Order! I don't need that part. I just need a the Minister. Order! I don't need that part. I just need a description that part. I just need a description of that part. I just need a description of it. that part. I just need a description of it. I that part. I just need a description of it. I don't that part. I just need a description of it. I don't need that part. I just need a description of it. I don't need a that part. I just need a description of it. I don't need a detail that part. I just need a description of it. I don't need a detail about of it. I don't need a detail about whether of it. I don't need a detail about whether it's of it. I don't need a detail about whether it's been of it. I don't need a detail about whether it's been responded of it. I don't need a detail about whether it's been responded to... whether it's been responded to... I'm whether it's been responded to... I'm so whether it's been responded to... I'm so sorry. whether it's been responded to... I'm so sorry. I whether it's been responded to... I'm so sorry. I apologise whether it's been responded to... I'm so sorry. I apologise for whether it's been responded to... I'm so sorry. I apologise for that. I'm so sorry. I apologise for that. Still I'm so sorry. I apologise for that. Still seeking I'm so sorry. I apologise for that. Still seeking the I'm so sorry. I apologise for that. Still seeking the leave, I'm so sorry. I apologise for that. Still seeking the leave, though, I'm so sorry. I apologise for that. Still seeking the leave, though, Mr Still seeking the leave, though, Mr Speaker. Still seeking the leave, though, Mr Speaker. You Still seeking the leave, though, Mr Speaker. You haven't Still seeking the leave, though, Mr Speaker. You haven't finished. Still seeking the leave, though, Mr Speaker. You haven't finished. Just Speaker. You haven't finished. Just describe Speaker. You haven't finished. Just describe the Speaker. You haven't finished. Just describe the document. Speaker. You haven't finished. Just describe the document. I Speaker. You haven't finished. Just describe the document. I seek Speaker. You haven't finished. Just describe the document. I seek leave describe the document. I seek leave to describe the document. I seek leave to table describe the document. I seek leave to table an describe the document. I seek leave to table an OIA describe the document. I seek leave to table an OIA dated describe the document. I seek leave to table an OIA dated 11 describe the document. I seek leave to table an OIA dated 11 August to table an OIA dated 11 August which to table an OIA dated 11 August which was to table an OIA dated 11 August which was extended to table an OIA dated 11 August which was extended to to table an OIA dated 11 August which was extended to 27 to table an OIA dated 11 August which was extended to 27 September. which was extended to 27 September. Seeking which was extended to 27 September. Seeking information which was extended to 27 September. Seeking information around which was extended to 27 September. Seeking information around those Seeking information around those meetings Seeking information around those meetings that Seeking information around those meetings that I've Seeking information around those meetings that I've just Seeking information around those meetings that I've just questioned. meetings that I've just questioned. So, meetings that I've just questioned. So, it's meetings that I've just questioned. So, it's not meetings that I've just questioned. So, it's not a meetings that I've just questioned. So, it's not a response meetings that I've just questioned. So, it's not a response to meetings that I've just questioned. So, it's not a response to an meetings that I've just questioned. So, it's not a response to an OIA, So, it's not a response to an OIA, it's So, it's not a response to an OIA, it's simply So, it's not a response to an OIA, it's simply a So, it's not a response to an OIA, it's simply a request. So, it's not a response to an OIA, it's simply a request. It's So, it's not a response to an OIA, it's simply a request. It's just So, it's not a response to an OIA, it's simply a request. It's just our it's simply a request. It's just our OIA it's simply a request. It's just our OIA ficial it's simply a request. It's just our OIA ficial Information it's simply a request. It's just our OIA ficial Information Act it's simply a request. It's just our OIA ficial Information Act request. OIA ficial Information Act request. I've OIA ficial Information Act request. I've pointed OIA ficial Information Act request. I've pointed out OIA ficial Information Act request. I've pointed out to OIA ficial Information Act request. I've pointed out to them OIA ficial Information Act request. I've pointed out to them - OIA ficial Information Act request. I've pointed out to them - I've I've pointed out to them - I've pointed I've pointed out to them - I've pointed out I've pointed out to them - I've pointed out to I've pointed out to them - I've pointed out to members I've pointed out to them - I've pointed out to members on I've pointed out to them - I've pointed out to members on many pointed out to members on many occasions pointed out to members on many occasions the pointed out to members on many occasions the point pointed out to members on many occasions the point of pointed out to members on many occasions the point of putting pointed out to members on many occasions the point of putting leave occasions the point of putting leave is occasions the point of putting leave is to occasions the point of putting leave is to inform occasions the point of putting leave is to inform members occasions the point of putting leave is to inform members not occasions the point of putting leave is to inform members not to occasions the point of putting leave is to inform members not to make occasions the point of putting leave is to inform members not to make a is to inform members not to make a political is to inform members not to make a political point. is to inform members not to make a political point. And is to inform members not to make a political point. And that's is to inform members not to make a political point. And that's exact political point. And that's exact southerly political point. And that's exact southerly what political point. And that's exact southerly what I political point. And that's exact southerly what I think political point. And that's exact southerly what I think the political point. And that's exact southerly what I think the member's southerly what I think the member's attempting southerly what I think the member's attempting to southerly what I think the member's attempting to do. southerly what I think the member's attempting to do. -- southerly what I think the member's attempting to do. -- exactly southerly what I think the member's attempting to do. -- exactly what southerly what I think the member's attempting to do. -- exactly what I attempting to do. -- exactly what I think attempting to do. -- exactly what I think the attempting to do. -- exactly what I think the member's attempting to do. -- exactly what I think the member's attempting attempting to do. -- exactly what I think the member's attempting to attempting to do. -- exactly what I think the member's attempting to do. think the member's attempting to do. Point think the member's attempting to do. Point of think the member's attempting to do. Point of order. think the member's attempting to do. Point of order. I think the member's attempting to do. Point of order. I just think the member's attempting to do. Point of order. I just need think the member's attempting to do. Point of order. I just need your Point of order. I just need your guidance, Point of order. I just need your guidance, Mr Point of order. I just need your guidance, Mr Speaker. Point of order. I just need your guidance, Mr Speaker. Can Point of order. I just need your guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you Point of order. I just need your guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you quote guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you quote the guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you quote the Standing guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you quote the Standing Order guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you quote the Standing Order so guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you quote the Standing Order so that guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you quote the Standing Order so that we guidance, Mr Speaker. Can you quote the Standing Order so that we are the Standing Order so that we are forever the Standing Order so that we are forever informed the Standing Order so that we are forever informed and the Standing Order so that we are forever informed and guided the Standing Order so that we are forever informed and guided by the Standing Order so that we are forever informed and guided by an forever informed and guided by an actual forever informed and guided by an actual Standing forever informed and guided by an actual Standing Order? forever informed and guided by an actual Standing Order? I forever informed and guided by an actual Standing Order? I will actual Standing Order? I will certainly actual Standing Order? I will certainly come actual Standing Order? I will certainly come back actual Standing Order? I will certainly come back to actual Standing Order? I will certainly come back to the actual Standing Order? I will certainly come back to the member certainly come back to the member with certainly come back to the member with the certainly come back to the member with the relevant certainly come back to the member with the relevant Speak certainly come back to the member with the relevant Speak Speaker's with the relevant Speak Speaker's ruling. with the relevant Speak Speaker's ruling. It with the relevant Speak Speaker's ruling. It is with the relevant Speak Speaker's ruling. It is one with the relevant Speak Speaker's ruling. It is one that with the relevant Speak Speaker's ruling. It is one that I with the relevant Speak Speaker's ruling. It is one that I issued ruling. It is one that I issued early ruling. It is one that I issued early on ruling. It is one that I issued early on in ruling. It is one that I issued early on in my ruling. It is one that I issued early on in my time ruling. It is one that I issued early on in my time as ruling. It is one that I issued early on in my time as Speaker. ruling. It is one that I issued early on in my time as Speaker. It early on in my time as Speaker. It is early on in my time as Speaker. It is a early on in my time as Speaker. It is a very early on in my time as Speaker. It is a very lengthy early on in my time as Speaker. It is a very lengthy ruling early on in my time as Speaker. It is a very lengthy ruling and early on in my time as Speaker. It is a very lengthy ruling and I early on in my time as Speaker. It is a very lengthy ruling and I gave is a very lengthy ruling and I gave it is a very lengthy ruling and I gave it personally is a very lengthy ruling and I gave it personally to is a very lengthy ruling and I gave it personally to the is a very lengthy ruling and I gave it personally to the Rt is a very lengthy ruling and I gave it personally to the Rt Hon is a very lengthy ruling and I gave it personally to the Rt Hon Winston it personally to the Rt Hon Winston Peters it personally to the Rt Hon Winston Peters on it personally to the Rt Hon Winston Peters on one it personally to the Rt Hon Winston Peters on one occasion it personally to the Rt Hon Winston Peters on one occasion in it personally to the Rt Hon Winston Peters on one occasion in this Peters on one occasion in this house. Peters on one occasion in this house. I Peters on one occasion in this house. I will Peters on one occasion in this house. I will have Peters on one occasion in this house. I will have it Peters on one occasion in this house. I will have it delivered Peters on one occasion in this house. I will have it delivered to house. I will have it delivered to the house. I will have it delivered to the member house. I will have it delivered to the member immediately house. I will have it delivered to the member immediately after the member immediately after question the member immediately after question time. the member immediately after question time. And the member immediately after question time. And point the member immediately after question time. And point of the member immediately after question time. And point of order. question time. And point of order. Point question time. And point of order. Point of question time. And point of order. Point of order, question time. And point of order. Point of order, Ron question time. And point of order. Point of order, Ron Mark. question time. And point of order. Point of order, Ron Mark. And question time. And point of order. Point of order, Ron Mark. And this Point of order, Ron Mark. And this is Point of order, Ron Mark. And this is a Point of order, Ron Mark. And this is a point Point of order, Ron Mark. And this is a point of Point of order, Ron Mark. And this is a point of clarification Point of order, Ron Mark. And this is a point of clarification to Point of order, Ron Mark. And this is a point of clarification to your is a point of clarification to your ruling, is a point of clarification to your ruling, which is a point of clarification to your ruling, which I'm is a point of clarification to your ruling, which I'm not is a point of clarification to your ruling, which I'm not questioning. ruling, which I'm not questioning. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> It's <INTERRUPTION> It's a <INTERRUPTION> It's a point <INTERRUPTION> It's a point of <INTERRUPTION> It's a point of order. <INTERRUPTION> It's a point of order. Move <INTERRUPTION> It's a point of order. Move on It's a point of order. Move on quickly. It's a point of order. Move on quickly. I It's a point of order. Move on quickly. I just It's a point of order. Move on quickly. I just need It's a point of order. Move on quickly. I just need to It's a point of order. Move on quickly. I just need to be It's a point of order. Move on quickly. I just need to be clear quickly. I just need to be clear that quickly. I just need to be clear that informing quickly. I just need to be clear that informing the quickly. I just need to be clear that informing the House quickly. I just need to be clear that informing the House that quickly. I just need to be clear that informing the House that we that informing the House that we have that informing the House that we have lodged that informing the House that we have lodged an that informing the House that we have lodged an OIA that informing the House that we have lodged an OIA is that informing the House that we have lodged an OIA is not that informing the House that we have lodged an OIA is not of that informing the House that we have lodged an OIA is not of value have lodged an OIA is not of value to have lodged an OIA is not of value to you? have lodged an OIA is not of value to you? No, have lodged an OIA is not of value to you? No, it's have lodged an OIA is not of value to you? No, it's not. have lodged an OIA is not of value to you? No, it's not. No have lodged an OIA is not of value to you? No, it's not. No value have lodged an OIA is not of value to you? No, it's not. No value at to you? No, it's not. No value at all. to you? No, it's not. No value at all. And to you? No, it's not. No value at all. And I to you? No, it's not. No value at all. And I would to you? No, it's not. No value at all. And I would be to you? No, it's not. No value at all. And I would be grateful... all. And I would be grateful... Order! all. And I would be grateful... Order! I all. And I would be grateful... Order! I would all. And I would be grateful... Order! I would be all. And I would be grateful... Order! I would be grateful all. And I would be grateful... Order! I would be grateful if all. And I would be grateful... Order! I would be grateful if the Order! I would be grateful if the member Order! I would be grateful if the member now Order! I would be grateful if the member now waits Order! I would be grateful if the member now waits for Order! I would be grateful if the member now waits for this Order! I would be grateful if the member now waits for this piece Order! I would be grateful if the member now waits for this piece of member now waits for this piece of paper member now waits for this piece of paper to member now waits for this piece of paper to be member now waits for this piece of paper to be delivered member now waits for this piece of paper to be delivered to member now waits for this piece of paper to be delivered to his member now waits for this piece of paper to be delivered to his office paper to be delivered to his office after paper to be delivered to his office after question paper to be delivered to his office after question time paper to be delivered to his office after question time and paper to be delivered to his office after question time and have paper to be delivered to his office after question time and have a paper to be delivered to his office after question time and have a good after question time and have a good read after question time and have a good read of after question time and have a good read of it after question time and have a good read of it so after question time and have a good read of it so we after question time and have a good read of it so we don't after question time and have a good read of it so we don't have after question time and have a good read of it so we don't have this read of it so we don't have this issue read of it so we don't have this issue raised read of it so we don't have this issue raised again. read of it so we don't have this issue raised again. Supplementary? issue raised again. Supplementary? Supplementary issue raised again. Supplementary? Supplementary question, issue raised again. Supplementary? Supplementary question, Ron issue raised again. Supplementary? Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To Supplementary question, Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why should Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why should anyone Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: Why should anyone take Minister: Why should anyone take anything Minister: Why should anyone take anything she Minister: Why should anyone take anything she or Minister: Why should anyone take anything she or this Minister: Why should anyone take anything she or this Government Minister: Why should anyone take anything she or this Government says anything she or this Government says seriously anything she or this Government says seriously on anything she or this Government says seriously on policing anything she or this Government says seriously on policing matters anything she or this Government says seriously on policing matters when, seriously on policing matters when, one, seriously on policing matters when, one, they seriously on policing matters when, one, they froze seriously on policing matters when, one, they froze the seriously on policing matters when, one, they froze the police seriously on policing matters when, one, they froze the police budget one, they froze the police budget since one, they froze the police budget since 2010, one, they froze the police budget since 2010, reneged one, they froze the police budget since 2010, reneged on one, they froze the police budget since 2010, reneged on election since 2010, reneged on election promises since 2010, reneged on election promises to since 2010, reneged on election promises to maintain since 2010, reneged on election promises to maintain the since 2010, reneged on election promises to maintain the police promises to maintain the police per-capita promises to maintain the police per-capita ratio, promises to maintain the police per-capita ratio, has promises to maintain the police per-capita ratio, has claimed promises to maintain the police per-capita ratio, has claimed credit per-capita ratio, has claimed credit which per-capita ratio, has claimed credit which belongs per-capita ratio, has claimed credit which belongs to per-capita ratio, has claimed credit which belongs to New per-capita ratio, has claimed credit which belongs to New Zealand per-capita ratio, has claimed credit which belongs to New Zealand First which belongs to New Zealand First through which belongs to New Zealand First through its which belongs to New Zealand First through its support which belongs to New Zealand First through its support agreement which belongs to New Zealand First through its support agreement with through its support agreement with the through its support agreement with the previous through its support agreement with the previous government, through its support agreement with the previous government, and the previous government, and continues the previous government, and continues to the previous government, and continues to close the previous government, and continues to close police the previous government, and continues to close police stations continues to close police stations in continues to close police stations in exchange continues to close police stations in exchange for continues to close police stations in exchange for iPhones continues to close police stations in exchange for iPhones and continues to close police stations in exchange for iPhones and iPads? in exchange for iPhones and iPads? The in exchange for iPhones and iPads? The Hon in exchange for iPhones and iPads? The Hon Judith in exchange for iPhones and iPads? The Hon Judith Collins. in exchange for iPhones and iPads? The Hon Judith Collins. There in exchange for iPhones and iPads? The Hon Judith Collins. There were The Hon Judith Collins. There were about The Hon Judith Collins. There were about five The Hon Judith Collins. There were about five questions The Hon Judith Collins. There were about five questions there, The Hon Judith Collins. There were about five questions there, so The Hon Judith Collins. There were about five questions there, so I about five questions there, so I will about five questions there, so I will choose about five questions there, so I will choose one. about five questions there, so I will choose one. I about five questions there, so I will choose one. I would about five questions there, so I will choose one. I would say about five questions there, so I will choose one. I would say to about five questions there, so I will choose one. I would say to that will choose one. I would say to that member will choose one. I would say to that member that will choose one. I would say to that member that how will choose one. I would say to that member that how can will choose one. I would say to that member that how can he will choose one. I would say to that member that how can he possibly will choose one. I would say to that member that how can he possibly say member that how can he possibly say there's member that how can he possibly say there's a member that how can he possibly say there's a frozen member that how can he possibly say there's a frozen budget, member that how can he possibly say there's a frozen budget, when member that how can he possibly say there's a frozen budget, when police there's a frozen budget, when police got there's a frozen budget, when police got an there's a frozen budget, when police got an extra there's a frozen budget, when police got an extra almost there's a frozen budget, when police got an extra almost $300 there's a frozen budget, when police got an extra almost $300 million there's a frozen budget, when police got an extra almost $300 million in got an extra almost $300 million in this got an extra almost $300 million in this year's got an extra almost $300 million in this year's budget? got an extra almost $300 million in this year's budget? That got an extra almost $300 million in this year's budget? That shows got an extra almost $300 million in this year's budget? That shows me this year's budget? That shows me that this year's budget? That shows me that he this year's budget? That shows me that he clearly this year's budget? That shows me that he clearly hasn't this year's budget? That shows me that he clearly hasn't read this year's budget? That shows me that he clearly hasn't read the that he clearly hasn't read the budget that he clearly hasn't read the budget documents. that he clearly hasn't read the budget documents. Question that he clearly hasn't read the budget documents. Question No. that he clearly hasn't read the budget documents. Question No. 6. budget documents. Question No. 6. Jacinda budget documents. Question No. 6. Jacinda Ardern. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Minister of Police: Does Minister of Police: Does she Minister of Police: Does she stand Minister of Police: Does she stand by Does she stand by all Does she stand by all her Does she stand by all her statements? The The Hon The Hon Judith The Hon Judith Collins. The Hon Judith Collins. Mr The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, yes. The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, yes. Especially The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, yes. Especially in The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, yes. Especially in context. The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, yes. Especially in context. And yes. Especially in context. And especially yes. Especially in context. And especially where yes. Especially in context. And especially where I yes. Especially in context. And especially where I have yes. Especially in context. And especially where I have said yes. Especially in context. And especially where I have said that yes. Especially in context. And especially where I have said that to especially where I have said that to blame especially where I have said that to blame crime especially where I have said that to blame crime on especially where I have said that to blame crime on poverty especially where I have said that to blame crime on poverty is especially where I have said that to blame crime on poverty is so blame crime on poverty is so insulting blame crime on poverty is so insulting to blame crime on poverty is so insulting to anybody blame crime on poverty is so insulting to anybody who blame crime on poverty is so insulting to anybody who doesn't insulting to anybody who doesn't have insulting to anybody who doesn't have a insulting to anybody who doesn't have a lot insulting to anybody who doesn't have a lot of insulting to anybody who doesn't have a lot of money. insulting to anybody who doesn't have a lot of money. Supplementary. have a lot of money. Supplementary. Supplementary have a lot of money. Supplementary. Supplementary question, have a lot of money. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Jacinda Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplement Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplement to Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplement to the Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplement to the Minister: Ardern. Supplement to the Minister: Does Ardern. Supplement to the Minister: Does she Ardern. Supplement to the Minister: Does she stand Ardern. Supplement to the Minister: Does she stand by Ardern. Supplement to the Minister: Does she stand by the Ardern. Supplement to the Minister: Does she stand by the exact Ardern. Supplement to the Minister: Does she stand by the exact answer Does she stand by the exact answer she Does she stand by the exact answer she gave Does she stand by the exact answer she gave yesterday Does she stand by the exact answer she gave yesterday to Does she stand by the exact answer she gave yesterday to the Does she stand by the exact answer she gave yesterday to the Police she gave yesterday to the Police Association she gave yesterday to the Police Association Conference she gave yesterday to the Police Association Conference when she gave yesterday to the Police Association Conference when asked Association Conference when asked this Association Conference when asked this question, Association Conference when asked this question, "Do Association Conference when asked this question, "Do you Association Conference when asked this question, "Do you think Association Conference when asked this question, "Do you think your this question, "Do you think your Government this question, "Do you think your Government is this question, "Do you think your Government is doing this question, "Do you think your Government is doing enough this question, "Do you think your Government is doing enough for this question, "Do you think your Government is doing enough for child Government is doing enough for child poverty Government is doing enough for child poverty and Government is doing enough for child poverty and the Government is doing enough for child poverty and the gap Government is doing enough for child poverty and the gap between Government is doing enough for child poverty and the gap between those poverty and the gap between those that poverty and the gap between those that do poverty and the gap between those that do have poverty and the gap between those that do have and poverty and the gap between those that do have and those poverty and the gap between those that do have and those that poverty and the gap between those that do have and those that don't that do have and those that don't have?" that do have and those that don't have?" And that do have and those that don't have?" And answer that do have and those that don't have?" And answer from that do have and those that don't have?" And answer from her that do have and those that don't have?" And answer from her which have?" And answer from her which included, have?" And answer from her which included, "It's have?" And answer from her which included, "It's not have?" And answer from her which included, "It's not that, have?" And answer from her which included, "It's not that, it's included, "It's not that, it's people included, "It's not that, it's people who included, "It's not that, it's people who don't included, "It's not that, it's people who don't look included, "It's not that, it's people who don't look after included, "It's not that, it's people who don't look after their people who don't look after their children." people who don't look after their children." I'm people who don't look after their children." I'm happy people who don't look after their children." I'm happy to people who don't look after their children." I'm happy to provide people who don't look after their children." I'm happy to provide that children." I'm happy to provide that member children." I'm happy to provide that member with children." I'm happy to provide that member with the children." I'm happy to provide that member with the full children." I'm happy to provide that member with the full question, children." I'm happy to provide that member with the full question, not children." I'm happy to provide that member with the full question, not a member with the full question, not a little member with the full question, not a little tiny member with the full question, not a little tiny bit member with the full question, not a little tiny bit of member with the full question, not a little tiny bit of the member with the full question, not a little tiny bit of the question, member with the full question, not a little tiny bit of the question, as little tiny bit of the question, as she's little tiny bit of the question, as she's quoted. little tiny bit of the question, as she's quoted. The little tiny bit of the question, as she's quoted. The question little tiny bit of the question, as she's quoted. The question was, she's quoted. The question was, "Mentioned she's quoted. The question was, "Mentioned several she's quoted. The question was, "Mentioned several homicides. she's quoted. The question was, "Mentioned several homicides. I "Mentioned several homicides. I think "Mentioned several homicides. I think we're "Mentioned several homicides. I think we're up "Mentioned several homicides. I think we're up to "Mentioned several homicides. I think we're up to nine "Mentioned several homicides. I think we're up to nine now. "Mentioned several homicides. I think we're up to nine now. I "Mentioned several homicides. I think we're up to nine now. I think. think we're up to nine now. I think. We think we're up to nine now. I think. We know think we're up to nine now. I think. We know we think we're up to nine now. I think. We know we could think we're up to nine now. I think. We know we could never think we're up to nine now. I think. We know we could never have think we're up to nine now. I think. We know we could never have enough We know we could never have enough resources. We know we could never have enough resources. You We know we could never have enough resources. You know We know we could never have enough resources. You know we We know we could never have enough resources. You know we could We know we could never have enough resources. You know we could never resources. You know we could never have resources. You know we could never have enough resources. You know we could never have enough resources resources. You know we could never have enough resources in resources. You know we could never have enough resources in police. resources. You know we could never have enough resources in police. We have enough resources in police. We have have enough resources in police. We have this have enough resources in police. We have this chasing-our-tail have enough resources in police. We have this chasing-our-tail scenario have this chasing-our-tail scenario that have this chasing-our-tail scenario that continues have this chasing-our-tail scenario that continues on have this chasing-our-tail scenario that continues on and have this chasing-our-tail scenario that continues on and on have this chasing-our-tail scenario that continues on and on and have this chasing-our-tail scenario that continues on and on and on. have this chasing-our-tail scenario that continues on and on and on. If that continues on and on and on. If we that continues on and on and on. If we look that continues on and on and on. If we look at that continues on and on and on. If we look at United that continues on and on and on. If we look at United Nations, that continues on and on and on. If we look at United Nations, who that continues on and on and on. If we look at United Nations, who have we look at United Nations, who have just we look at United Nations, who have just released we look at United Nations, who have just released a we look at United Nations, who have just released a report we look at United Nations, who have just released a report on we look at United Nations, who have just released a report on child just released a report on child poverty, just released a report on child poverty, and, just released a report on child poverty, and, of just released a report on child poverty, and, of course, just released a report on child poverty, and, of course, that just released a report on child poverty, and, of course, that is poverty, and, of course, that is where poverty, and, of course, that is where all poverty, and, of course, that is where all our poverty, and, of course, that is where all our recruits poverty, and, of course, that is where all our recruits come poverty, and, of course, that is where all our recruits come from, where all our recruits come from, continually where all our recruits come from, continually into where all our recruits come from, continually into gangs, where all our recruits come from, continually into gangs, and where all our recruits come from, continually into gangs, and a where all our recruits come from, continually into gangs, and a lot where all our recruits come from, continually into gangs, and a lot of continually into gangs, and a lot of our continually into gangs, and a lot of our offenders continually into gangs, and a lot of our offenders are continually into gangs, and a lot of our offenders are from continually into gangs, and a lot of our offenders are from that continually into gangs, and a lot of our offenders are from that neck continually into gangs, and a lot of our offenders are from that neck of our offenders are from that neck of the our offenders are from that neck of the woods. our offenders are from that neck of the woods. Do our offenders are from that neck of the woods. Do you our offenders are from that neck of the woods. Do you think our offenders are from that neck of the woods. Do you think your the woods. Do you think your Government the woods. Do you think your Government is the woods. Do you think your Government is doing the woods. Do you think your Government is doing enough?" the woods. Do you think your Government is doing enough?" Then the woods. Do you think your Government is doing enough?" Then we Government is doing enough?" Then we get Government is doing enough?" Then we get to Government is doing enough?" Then we get to the Government is doing enough?" Then we get to the little Government is doing enough?" Then we get to the little bit Government is doing enough?" Then we get to the little bit that Government is doing enough?" Then we get to the little bit that Miss get to the little bit that Miss Ardern get to the little bit that Miss Ardern has get to the little bit that Miss Ardern has mentioned. get to the little bit that Miss Ardern has mentioned. And get to the little bit that Miss Ardern has mentioned. And so get to the little bit that Miss Ardern has mentioned. And so my Ardern has mentioned. And so my answer Ardern has mentioned. And so my answer was, Ardern has mentioned. And so my answer was, "Well, Ardern has mentioned. And so my answer was, "Well, you Ardern has mentioned. And so my answer was, "Well, you know, answer was, "Well, you know, speaking answer was, "Well, you know, speaking with answer was, "Well, you know, speaking with my answer was, "Well, you know, speaking with my MP answer was, "Well, you know, speaking with my MP hat answer was, "Well, you know, speaking with my MP hat on, answer was, "Well, you know, speaking with my MP hat on, so answer was, "Well, you know, speaking with my MP hat on, so I speaking with my MP hat on, so I know speaking with my MP hat on, so I know something speaking with my MP hat on, so I know something about speaking with my MP hat on, so I know something about child speaking with my MP hat on, so I know something about child poverty, know something about child poverty, I know something about child poverty, I can know something about child poverty, I can tell know something about child poverty, I can tell you know something about child poverty, I can tell you we're know something about child poverty, I can tell you we're doing know something about child poverty, I can tell you we're doing a know something about child poverty, I can tell you we're doing a whole I can tell you we're doing a whole lot I can tell you we're doing a whole lot more I can tell you we're doing a whole lot more than I can tell you we're doing a whole lot more than the I can tell you we're doing a whole lot more than the UN I can tell you we're doing a whole lot more than the UN has I can tell you we're doing a whole lot more than the UN has ever I can tell you we're doing a whole lot more than the UN has ever done. lot more than the UN has ever done. So, lot more than the UN has ever done. So, actually, lot more than the UN has ever done. So, actually, yes, lot more than the UN has ever done. So, actually, yes, a lot more than the UN has ever done. So, actually, yes, a hell lot more than the UN has ever done. So, actually, yes, a hell of lot more than the UN has ever done. So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot more than the UN has ever done. So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot more. So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot more. But So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot more. But just So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot more. But just like So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot more. But just like police, So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot more. But just like police, we So, actually, yes, a hell of a lot more. But just like police, we could more. But just like police, we could always more. But just like police, we could always do more. But just like police, we could always do with more. But just like police, we could always do with more. more. But just like police, we could always do with more. And more. But just like police, we could always do with more. And one more. But just like police, we could always do with more. And one of more. But just like police, we could always do with more. And one of the always do with more. And one of the things always do with more. And one of the things I always do with more. And one of the things I look always do with more. And one of the things I look at always do with more. And one of the things I look at child always do with more. And one of the things I look at child poverty, things I look at child poverty, actually, things I look at child poverty, actually, I things I look at child poverty, actually, I don't things I look at child poverty, actually, I don't see things I look at child poverty, actually, I don't see just things I look at child poverty, actually, I don't see just money things I look at child poverty, actually, I don't see just money or actually, I don't see just money or money actually, I don't see just money or money poverty. actually, I don't see just money or money poverty. I actually, I don't see just money or money poverty. I see actually, I don't see just money or money poverty. I see a actually, I don't see just money or money poverty. I see a poverty actually, I don't see just money or money poverty. I see a poverty of money poverty. I see a poverty of ideas. money poverty. I see a poverty of ideas. A money poverty. I see a poverty of ideas. A poverty money poverty. I see a poverty of ideas. A poverty of money poverty. I see a poverty of ideas. A poverty of parental ideas. A poverty of parental responsibility. ideas. A poverty of parental responsibility. A ideas. A poverty of parental responsibility. A poverty ideas. A poverty of parental responsibility. A poverty of ideas. A poverty of parental responsibility. A poverty of love. ideas. A poverty of parental responsibility. A poverty of love. A responsibility. A poverty of love. A poverty responsibility. A poverty of love. A poverty of responsibility. A poverty of love. A poverty of caring." responsibility. A poverty of love. A poverty of caring." Order! responsibility. A poverty of love. A poverty of caring." Order! It's poverty of caring." Order! It's quite poverty of caring." Order! It's quite a poverty of caring." Order! It's quite a long poverty of caring." Order! It's quite a long answer, poverty of caring." Order! It's quite a long answer, really. poverty of caring." Order! It's quite a long answer, really. Order! quite a long answer, really. Order! I quite a long answer, really. Order! I wish quite a long answer, really. Order! I wish to quite a long answer, really. Order! I wish to hear quite a long answer, really. Order! I wish to hear the quite a long answer, really. Order! I wish to hear the point quite a long answer, really. Order! I wish to hear the point of quite a long answer, really. Order! I wish to hear the point of order. I wish to hear the point of order. My I wish to hear the point of order. My point I wish to hear the point of order. My point of I wish to hear the point of order. My point of order, I wish to hear the point of order. My point of order, sir, I wish to hear the point of order. My point of order, sir, is I wish to hear the point of order. My point of order, sir, is the My point of order, sir, is the length My point of order, sir, is the length of My point of order, sir, is the length of the My point of order, sir, is the length of the answer My point of order, sir, is the length of the answer is My point of order, sir, is the length of the answer is only My point of order, sir, is the length of the answer is only matched length of the answer is only matched with length of the answer is only matched with the length of the answer is only matched with the vacuity length of the answer is only matched with the vacuity of length of the answer is only matched with the vacuity of the length of the answer is only matched with the vacuity of the answer length of the answer is only matched with the vacuity of the answer she's with the vacuity of the answer she's giving. with the vacuity of the answer she's giving. That with the vacuity of the answer she's giving. That again with the vacuity of the answer she's giving. That again is with the vacuity of the answer she's giving. That again is not with the vacuity of the answer she's giving. That again is not a with the vacuity of the answer she's giving. That again is not a point with the vacuity of the answer she's giving. That again is not a point of giving. That again is not a point of order. giving. That again is not a point of order. Order! giving. That again is not a point of order. Order! And giving. That again is not a point of order. Order! And on giving. That again is not a point of order. Order! And on this giving. That again is not a point of order. Order! And on this occasions order. Order! And on this occasions I've order. Order! And on this occasions I've said order. Order! And on this occasions I've said to order. Order! And on this occasions I've said to that order. Order! And on this occasions I've said to that particular order. Order! And on this occasions I've said to that particular member, I've said to that particular member, I I've said to that particular member, I determine I've said to that particular member, I determine when I've said to that particular member, I determine when the I've said to that particular member, I determine when the length I've said to that particular member, I determine when the length of I determine when the length of answer I determine when the length of answer is I determine when the length of answer is excessive. I determine when the length of answer is excessive. And I determine when the length of answer is excessive. And on I determine when the length of answer is excessive. And on that answer is excessive. And on that occasion, answer is excessive. And on that occasion, when answer is excessive. And on that occasion, when a answer is excessive. And on that occasion, when a quote answer is excessive. And on that occasion, when a quote had answer is excessive. And on that occasion, when a quote had been occasion, when a quote had been given, occasion, when a quote had been given, and occasion, when a quote had been given, and the occasion, when a quote had been given, and the Minister occasion, when a quote had been given, and the Minister was occasion, when a quote had been given, and the Minister was taking given, and the Minister was taking the given, and the Minister was taking the opportunity given, and the Minister was taking the opportunity to given, and the Minister was taking the opportunity to put given, and the Minister was taking the opportunity to put the given, and the Minister was taking the opportunity to put the quote the opportunity to put the quote into the opportunity to put the quote into full the opportunity to put the quote into full context, the opportunity to put the quote into full context, whilst the opportunity to put the quote into full context, whilst it the opportunity to put the quote into full context, whilst it was the opportunity to put the quote into full context, whilst it was a into full context, whilst it was a very into full context, whilst it was a very long into full context, whilst it was a very long answer, into full context, whilst it was a very long answer, I into full context, whilst it was a very long answer, I thought into full context, whilst it was a very long answer, I thought it into full context, whilst it was a very long answer, I thought it was very long answer, I thought it was justified. very long answer, I thought it was justified. Further very long answer, I thought it was justified. Further supplementary? justified. Further supplementary? Supplementary. justified. Further supplementary? Supplementary. Supplementary Supplementary. Supplementary question, Supplementary. Supplementary question, Jacinda Supplementary. Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. If Supplementary. Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. If she question, Jacinda Ardern. If she stands question, Jacinda Ardern. If she stands by question, Jacinda Ardern. If she stands by her question, Jacinda Ardern. If she stands by her answer question, Jacinda Ardern. If she stands by her answer at question, Jacinda Ardern. If she stands by her answer at the question, Jacinda Ardern. If she stands by her answer at the Police stands by her answer at the Police Association stands by her answer at the Police Association Conference stands by her answer at the Police Association Conference yesterday Association Conference yesterday that Association Conference yesterday that also Association Conference yesterday that also included, Association Conference yesterday that also included, "In Association Conference yesterday that also included, "In New Association Conference yesterday that also included, "In New Zealand that also included, "In New Zealand there that also included, "In New Zealand there is that also included, "In New Zealand there is money that also included, "In New Zealand there is money available that also included, "In New Zealand there is money available to that also included, "In New Zealand there is money available to everyone there is money available to everyone who there is money available to everyone who needs there is money available to everyone who needs it," there is money available to everyone who needs it," how there is money available to everyone who needs it," how does there is money available to everyone who needs it," how does she there is money available to everyone who needs it," how does she explain who needs it," how does she explain the who needs it," how does she explain the high who needs it," how does she explain the high levels who needs it," how does she explain the high levels of who needs it," how does she explain the high levels of income who needs it," how does she explain the high levels of income poverty who needs it," how does she explain the high levels of income poverty in the high levels of income poverty in this the high levels of income poverty in this country? the high levels of income poverty in this country? The the high levels of income poverty in this country? The Hon the high levels of income poverty in this country? The Hon Judith this country? The Hon Judith Collins. this country? The Hon Judith Collins. I'm, this country? The Hon Judith Collins. I'm, of this country? The Hon Judith Collins. I'm, of course, this country? The Hon Judith Collins. I'm, of course, the Collins. I'm, of course, the Minister Collins. I'm, of course, the Minister of Collins. I'm, of course, the Minister of Police. Collins. I'm, of course, the Minister of Police. If Collins. I'm, of course, the Minister of Police. If that Collins. I'm, of course, the Minister of Police. If that member Minister of Police. If that member wants Minister of Police. If that member wants to Minister of Police. If that member wants to ask Minister of Police. If that member wants to ask a Minister of Police. If that member wants to ask a question Minister of Police. If that member wants to ask a question specifically wants to ask a question specifically about wants to ask a question specifically about child wants to ask a question specifically about child poverty, wants to ask a question specifically about child poverty, she wants to ask a question specifically about child poverty, she should wants to ask a question specifically about child poverty, she should have about child poverty, she should have the about child poverty, she should have the gumption about child poverty, she should have the gumption to about child poverty, she should have the gumption to ask about child poverty, she should have the gumption to ask the about child poverty, she should have the gumption to ask the Minister about child poverty, she should have the gumption to ask the Minister in the gumption to ask the Minister in charge the gumption to ask the Minister in charge of the gumption to ask the Minister in charge of the the gumption to ask the Minister in charge of the area. the gumption to ask the Minister in charge of the area. Order! the gumption to ask the Minister in charge of the area. Order! The charge of the area. Order! The member charge of the area. Order! The member will charge of the area. Order! The member will stand charge of the area. Order! The member will stand and charge of the area. Order! The member will stand and withdraw charge of the area. Order! The member will stand and withdraw that member will stand and withdraw that part member will stand and withdraw that part of member will stand and withdraw that part of the member will stand and withdraw that part of the answer. member will stand and withdraw that part of the answer. Yes. member will stand and withdraw that part of the answer. Yes. Withdrawn, part of the answer. Yes. Withdrawn, Mr part of the answer. Yes. Withdrawn, Mr Speaker. part of the answer. Yes. Withdrawn, Mr Speaker. Further part of the answer. Yes. Withdrawn, Mr Speaker. Further supplementary? Mr Speaker. Further supplementary? Further Mr Speaker. Further supplementary? Further supplementary? Mr Speaker. Further supplementary? Further supplementary? Point Mr Speaker. Further supplementary? Further supplementary? Point of Further supplementary? Point of order, Further supplementary? Point of order, Mr Further supplementary? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Further supplementary? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Do Further supplementary? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Do you Further supplementary? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Do you wish Further supplementary? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Do you wish to order, Mr Speaker. Do you wish to continue order, Mr Speaker. Do you wish to continue your...? order, Mr Speaker. Do you wish to continue your...? Oh, order, Mr Speaker. Do you wish to continue your...? Oh, I'm order, Mr Speaker. Do you wish to continue your...? Oh, I'm happy order, Mr Speaker. Do you wish to continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. I'm continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. I'm also continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. I'm also happy continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. I'm also happy to continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. I'm also happy to say continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. I'm also happy to say that continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. I'm also happy to say that it's continue your...? Oh, I'm happy to. I'm also happy to say that it's not I'm also happy to say that it's not just I'm also happy to say that it's not just about I'm also happy to say that it's not just about money I'm also happy to say that it's not just about money in I'm also happy to say that it's not just about money in this I'm also happy to say that it's not just about money in this country, just about money in this country, it's just about money in this country, it's about just about money in this country, it's about parental just about money in this country, it's about parental responsibility. it's about parental responsibility. And it's about parental responsibility. And that's it's about parental responsibility. And that's something it's about parental responsibility. And that's something that it's about parental responsibility. And that's something that I it's about parental responsibility. And that's something that I take And that's something that I take very And that's something that I take very seriously. And that's something that I take very seriously. Supplementary. very seriously. Supplementary. Supplementary very seriously. Supplementary. Supplementary question, very seriously. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Jacinda Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. If Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. If there Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. If there is Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. If there is enough Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. If there is enough money Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. If there is enough money for Ardern. If there is enough money for everyone Ardern. If there is enough money for everyone who Ardern. If there is enough money for everyone who needs Ardern. If there is enough money for everyone who needs it, Ardern. If there is enough money for everyone who needs it, as Ardern. If there is enough money for everyone who needs it, as she Ardern. If there is enough money for everyone who needs it, as she has everyone who needs it, as she has stated, everyone who needs it, as she has stated, can everyone who needs it, as she has stated, can she everyone who needs it, as she has stated, can she tell everyone who needs it, as she has stated, can she tell the everyone who needs it, as she has stated, can she tell the House everyone who needs it, as she has stated, can she tell the House what stated, can she tell the House what percentage stated, can she tell the House what percentage of stated, can she tell the House what percentage of families stated, can she tell the House what percentage of families defined stated, can she tell the House what percentage of families defined as percentage of families defined as being percentage of families defined as being in percentage of families defined as being in income percentage of families defined as being in income poverty percentage of families defined as being in income poverty are percentage of families defined as being in income poverty are also percentage of families defined as being in income poverty are also in being in income poverty are also in work? being in income poverty are also in work? Well, being in income poverty are also in work? Well, Mr being in income poverty are also in work? Well, Mr Speaker, being in income poverty are also in work? Well, Mr Speaker, I being in income poverty are also in work? Well, Mr Speaker, I have work? Well, Mr Speaker, I have indulged work? Well, Mr Speaker, I have indulged the work? Well, Mr Speaker, I have indulged the member, work? Well, Mr Speaker, I have indulged the member, but, work? Well, Mr Speaker, I have indulged the member, but, really, work? Well, Mr Speaker, I have indulged the member, but, really, if indulged the member, but, really, if she... indulged the member, but, really, if she... <INTERRUPTION> she... <INTERRUPTION> Order! she... <INTERRUPTION> Order! As she... <INTERRUPTION> Order! As I she... <INTERRUPTION> Order! As I said, she... <INTERRUPTION> Order! As I said, yesterday, she... <INTERRUPTION> Order! As I said, yesterday, and she... <INTERRUPTION> Order! As I said, yesterday, and as Order! As I said, yesterday, and as I Order! As I said, yesterday, and as I say Order! As I said, yesterday, and as I say again, Order! As I said, yesterday, and as I say again, I Order! As I said, yesterday, and as I say again, I am Order! As I said, yesterday, and as I say again, I am speaking Order! As I said, yesterday, and as I say again, I am speaking as Order! As I said, yesterday, and as I say again, I am speaking as a I say again, I am speaking as a Member I say again, I am speaking as a Member of I say again, I am speaking as a Member of Parliament I say again, I am speaking as a Member of Parliament for I say again, I am speaking as a Member of Parliament for Papakura. Member of Parliament for Papakura. But Member of Parliament for Papakura. But I'm Member of Parliament for Papakura. But I'm very Member of Parliament for Papakura. But I'm very happy Member of Parliament for Papakura. But I'm very happy to Member of Parliament for Papakura. But I'm very happy to say Member of Parliament for Papakura. But I'm very happy to say to Member of Parliament for Papakura. But I'm very happy to say to that But I'm very happy to say to that member But I'm very happy to say to that member that But I'm very happy to say to that member that if But I'm very happy to say to that member that if she But I'm very happy to say to that member that if she wants But I'm very happy to say to that member that if she wants to But I'm very happy to say to that member that if she wants to put But I'm very happy to say to that member that if she wants to put a member that if she wants to put a question member that if she wants to put a question down member that if she wants to put a question down on member that if she wants to put a question down on notice, member that if she wants to put a question down on notice, I'm member that if she wants to put a question down on notice, I'm sure question down on notice, I'm sure the question down on notice, I'm sure the appropriate question down on notice, I'm sure the appropriate Minister question down on notice, I'm sure the appropriate Minister will question down on notice, I'm sure the appropriate Minister will answer the appropriate Minister will answer the the appropriate Minister will answer the detailed the appropriate Minister will answer the detailed question. the appropriate Minister will answer the detailed question. Order! the appropriate Minister will answer the detailed question. Order! Point the detailed question. Order! Point of the detailed question. Order! Point of order, the detailed question. Order! Point of order, Chris the detailed question. Order! Point of order, Chris Hipkins. the detailed question. Order! Point of order, Chris Hipkins. A the detailed question. Order! Point of order, Chris Hipkins. A Minister of order, Chris Hipkins. A Minister of of order, Chris Hipkins. A Minister of Police of order, Chris Hipkins. A Minister of Police speaking of order, Chris Hipkins. A Minister of Police speaking to of order, Chris Hipkins. A Minister of Police speaking to a of order, Chris Hipkins. A Minister of Police speaking to a Police of Police speaking to a Police Association of Police speaking to a Police Association Conference of Police speaking to a Police Association Conference can of Police speaking to a Police Association Conference can only of Police speaking to a Police Association Conference can only be Association Conference can only be speaking Association Conference can only be speaking in Association Conference can only be speaking in her Association Conference can only be speaking in her capacity Association Conference can only be speaking in her capacity as Association Conference can only be speaking in her capacity as a speaking in her capacity as a Minister speaking in her capacity as a Minister of speaking in her capacity as a Minister of Police. speaking in her capacity as a Minister of Police. She speaking in her capacity as a Minister of Police. She would speaking in her capacity as a Minister of Police. She would not Minister of Police. She would not have Minister of Police. She would not have been Minister of Police. She would not have been invited Minister of Police. She would not have been invited as Minister of Police. She would not have been invited as an Minister of Police. She would not have been invited as an individual have been invited as an individual Member have been invited as an individual Member of have been invited as an individual Member of Parliament, have been invited as an individual Member of Parliament, and have been invited as an individual Member of Parliament, and therefore Member of Parliament, and therefore it's Member of Parliament, and therefore it's more Member of Parliament, and therefore it's more than Member of Parliament, and therefore it's more than acceptable Member of Parliament, and therefore it's more than acceptable to Member of Parliament, and therefore it's more than acceptable to ask it's more than acceptable to ask questions it's more than acceptable to ask questions about it's more than acceptable to ask questions about the it's more than acceptable to ask questions about the statements it's more than acceptable to ask questions about the statements she questions about the statements she made questions about the statements she made in questions about the statements she made in her questions about the statements she made in her ministerial questions about the statements she made in her ministerial capacity questions about the statements she made in her ministerial capacity and made in her ministerial capacity and expect made in her ministerial capacity and expect her made in her ministerial capacity and expect her to made in her ministerial capacity and expect her to answer made in her ministerial capacity and expect her to answer them. made in her ministerial capacity and expect her to answer them. The expect her to answer them. The member expect her to answer them. The member is, expect her to answer them. The member is, on expect her to answer them. The member is, on this expect her to answer them. The member is, on this occasion, expect her to answer them. The member is, on this occasion, half member is, on this occasion, half right. member is, on this occasion, half right. It member is, on this occasion, half right. It is member is, on this occasion, half right. It is certainly member is, on this occasion, half right. It is certainly acceptable member is, on this occasion, half right. It is certainly acceptable to right. It is certainly acceptable to ask right. It is certainly acceptable to ask the right. It is certainly acceptable to ask the question. right. It is certainly acceptable to ask the question. But right. It is certainly acceptable to ask the question. But when right. It is certainly acceptable to ask the question. But when I ask the question. But when I consider ask the question. But when I consider the ask the question. But when I consider the general ask the question. But when I consider the general nature ask the question. But when I consider the general nature of ask the question. But when I consider the general nature of the consider the general nature of the primary consider the general nature of the primary question, consider the general nature of the primary question, it consider the general nature of the primary question, it is consider the general nature of the primary question, it is not primary question, it is not unreasonable primary question, it is not unreasonable that primary question, it is not unreasonable that the primary question, it is not unreasonable that the Minister primary question, it is not unreasonable that the Minister then unreasonable that the Minister then is unreasonable that the Minister then is unable unreasonable that the Minister then is unable to unreasonable that the Minister then is unable to answer unreasonable that the Minister then is unable to answer the unreasonable that the Minister then is unable to answer the detail unreasonable that the Minister then is unable to answer the detail that is unable to answer the detail that was is unable to answer the detail that was asked is unable to answer the detail that was asked in is unable to answer the detail that was asked in that is unable to answer the detail that was asked in that question. is unable to answer the detail that was asked in that question. And is unable to answer the detail that was asked in that question. And if was asked in that question. And if the was asked in that question. And if the member was asked in that question. And if the member wants was asked in that question. And if the member wants further was asked in that question. And if the member wants further guidance was asked in that question. And if the member wants further guidance on the member wants further guidance on this, the member wants further guidance on this, I the member wants further guidance on this, I refer the member wants further guidance on this, I refer him the member wants further guidance on this, I refer him to the member wants further guidance on this, I refer him to Speaker's this, I refer him to Speaker's ruling this, I refer him to Speaker's ruling 1913 this, I refer him to Speaker's ruling 1913 and this, I refer him to Speaker's ruling 1913 and 191.4. this, I refer him to Speaker's ruling 1913 and 191.4. Supplementary ruling 1913 and 191.4. Supplementary question, ruling 1913 and 191.4. Supplementary question, Jacinda ruling 1913 and 191.4. Supplementary question, Jacinda Ardern. question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplementary: question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplementary: Is question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplementary: Is she question, Jacinda Ardern. Supplementary: Is she telling Supplementary: Is she telling parents Supplementary: Is she telling parents like Supplementary: Is she telling parents like Ebony Supplementary: Is she telling parents like Ebony Andrews, Supplementary: Is she telling parents like Ebony Andrews, who Supplementary: Is she telling parents like Ebony Andrews, who by parents like Ebony Andrews, who by stringent parents like Ebony Andrews, who by stringent budgeting parents like Ebony Andrews, who by stringent budgeting is parents like Ebony Andrews, who by stringent budgeting is left parents like Ebony Andrews, who by stringent budgeting is left with parents like Ebony Andrews, who by stringent budgeting is left with $80 stringent budgeting is left with $80 a stringent budgeting is left with $80 a week stringent budgeting is left with $80 a week on stringent budgeting is left with $80 a week on her stringent budgeting is left with $80 a week on her income stringent budgeting is left with $80 a week on her income as stringent budgeting is left with $80 a week on her income as a stringent budgeting is left with $80 a week on her income as a learning a week on her income as a learning support a week on her income as a learning support teacher, a week on her income as a learning support teacher, and a week on her income as a learning support teacher, and has a week on her income as a learning support teacher, and has to a week on her income as a learning support teacher, and has to rely a week on her income as a learning support teacher, and has to rely on support teacher, and has to rely on Kids support teacher, and has to rely on Kids Can support teacher, and has to rely on Kids Can to support teacher, and has to rely on Kids Can to provide support teacher, and has to rely on Kids Can to provide basics support teacher, and has to rely on Kids Can to provide basics for support teacher, and has to rely on Kids Can to provide basics for her Kids Can to provide basics for her family, Kids Can to provide basics for her family, that Kids Can to provide basics for her family, that she Kids Can to provide basics for her family, that she has Kids Can to provide basics for her family, that she has all Kids Can to provide basics for her family, that she has all the Kids Can to provide basics for her family, that she has all the money family, that she has all the money she family, that she has all the money she needs family, that she has all the money she needs to family, that she has all the money she needs to get family, that she has all the money she needs to get by, family, that she has all the money she needs to get by, or family, that she has all the money she needs to get by, or is family, that she has all the money she needs to get by, or is she she needs to get by, or is she telling she needs to get by, or is she telling her she needs to get by, or is she telling her she's she needs to get by, or is she telling her she's a she needs to get by, or is she telling her she's a bad she needs to get by, or is she telling her she's a bad parent? she needs to get by, or is she telling her she's a bad parent? No, telling her she's a bad parent? No, what telling her she's a bad parent? No, what I telling her she's a bad parent? No, what I am telling her she's a bad parent? No, what I am saying telling her she's a bad parent? No, what I am saying to telling her she's a bad parent? No, what I am saying to that telling her she's a bad parent? No, what I am saying to that person telling her she's a bad parent? No, what I am saying to that person who what I am saying to that person who has what I am saying to that person who has now what I am saying to that person who has now been what I am saying to that person who has now been quoted what I am saying to that person who has now been quoted by what I am saying to that person who has now been quoted by Miss what I am saying to that person who has now been quoted by Miss Ardern has now been quoted by Miss Ardern is has now been quoted by Miss Ardern is that has now been quoted by Miss Ardern is that I has now been quoted by Miss Ardern is that I do has now been quoted by Miss Ardern is that I do not has now been quoted by Miss Ardern is that I do not agree has now been quoted by Miss Ardern is that I do not agree with has now been quoted by Miss Ardern is that I do not agree with the is that I do not agree with the Labour is that I do not agree with the Labour Party is that I do not agree with the Labour Party or is that I do not agree with the Labour Party or Mr is that I do not agree with the Labour Party or Mr Stuart is that I do not agree with the Labour Party or Mr Stuart Nash, is that I do not agree with the Labour Party or Mr Stuart Nash, who Labour Party or Mr Stuart Nash, who today Labour Party or Mr Stuart Nash, who today said Labour Party or Mr Stuart Nash, who today said that Labour Party or Mr Stuart Nash, who today said that poverty Labour Party or Mr Stuart Nash, who today said that poverty causes today said that poverty causes crime. today said that poverty causes crime. I today said that poverty causes crime. I don't today said that poverty causes crime. I don't believe today said that poverty causes crime. I don't believe that. crime. I don't believe that. Question crime. I don't believe that. Question No. crime. I don't believe that. Question No. 7. crime. I don't believe that. Question No. 7. Nuk crime. I don't believe that. Question No. 7. Nuk Korako. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Minister for Social Development: What Minister for Social Development: What recent Minister for Social Development: What recent announcements What recent announcements has What recent announcements has she What recent announcements has she made has she made regarding has she made regarding support has she made regarding support for has she made regarding support for offenders regarding support for offenders into regarding support for offenders into employment? The The Hon The Hon Anne The Hon Anne Tolley. The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr Speaker, The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr Speaker, last The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr Speaker, last week, The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr Speaker, last week, long The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr Speaker, last week, long with The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr Speaker, last week, long with the The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr Speaker, last week, long with the very The Hon Anne Tolley. Mr Speaker, last week, long with the very able last week, long with the very able Corrections last week, long with the very able Corrections Minister, last week, long with the very able Corrections Minister, Judith Corrections Minister, Judith Collins, Corrections Minister, Judith Collins, I Corrections Minister, Judith Collins, I announced Corrections Minister, Judith Collins, I announced the Corrections Minister, Judith Collins, I announced the launch Corrections Minister, Judith Collins, I announced the launch of Corrections Minister, Judith Collins, I announced the launch of a Collins, I announced the launch of a new Collins, I announced the launch of a new initiative Collins, I announced the launch of a new initiative targeted Collins, I announced the launch of a new initiative targeted at Collins, I announced the launch of a new initiative targeted at improving new initiative targeted at improving the new initiative targeted at improving the employment new initiative targeted at improving the employment outcomes new initiative targeted at improving the employment outcomes of new initiative targeted at improving the employment outcomes of people the employment outcomes of people released the employment outcomes of people released from the employment outcomes of people released from prison. the employment outcomes of people released from prison. Work the employment outcomes of people released from prison. Work and released from prison. Work and Income released from prison. Work and Income case released from prison. Work and Income case managers released from prison. Work and Income case managers and Income case managers and professionals Income case managers and professionals will Income case managers and professionals will work Income case managers and professionals will work with professionals will work with offenders professionals will work with offenders before professionals will work with offenders before and professionals will work with offenders before and after professionals will work with offenders before and after their offenders before and after their release offenders before and after their release to offenders before and after their release to help offenders before and after their release to help them offenders before and after their release to help them prepare offenders before and after their release to help them prepare for, release to help them prepare for, find release to help them prepare for, find and release to help them prepare for, find and stay release to help them prepare for, find and stay in release to help them prepare for, find and stay in employment. release to help them prepare for, find and stay in employment. We release to help them prepare for, find and stay in employment. We are find and stay in employment. We are investing find and stay in employment. We are investing $15.3 find and stay in employment. We are investing $15.3 million find and stay in employment. We are investing $15.3 million over find and stay in employment. We are investing $15.3 million over three investing $15.3 million over three years investing $15.3 million over three years for investing $15.3 million over three years for the investing $15.3 million over three years for the trial, investing $15.3 million over three years for the trial, which investing $15.3 million over three years for the trial, which will investing $15.3 million over three years for the trial, which will see years for the trial, which will see up years for the trial, which will see up to years for the trial, which will see up to 200 years for the trial, which will see up to 200 clients years for the trial, which will see up to 200 clients at years for the trial, which will see up to 200 clients at a years for the trial, which will see up to 200 clients at a time years for the trial, which will see up to 200 clients at a time develop up to 200 clients at a time develop an up to 200 clients at a time develop an individual up to 200 clients at a time develop an individual plan up to 200 clients at a time develop an individual plan to up to 200 clients at a time develop an individual plan to get up to 200 clients at a time develop an individual plan to get them up to 200 clients at a time develop an individual plan to get them into an individual plan to get them into employment, an individual plan to get them into employment, access an individual plan to get them into employment, access education an individual plan to get them into employment, access education and employment, access education and training, employment, access education and training, financial employment, access education and training, financial support training, financial support services, training, financial support services, health training, financial support services, health services, training, financial support services, health services, and services, health services, and social services, health services, and social and services, health services, and social and housing services, health services, and social and housing support. social and housing support. Supplementary. social and housing support. Supplementary. Supplementary Supplementary. Supplementary question, Supplementary. Supplementary question, Nuk Supplementary. Supplementary question, Nuk Korako. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Nuk Korako. What Supplementary. Supplementary question, Nuk Korako. What are Supplementary. Supplementary question, Nuk Korako. What are the question, Nuk Korako. What are the benefits question, Nuk Korako. What are the benefits of question, Nuk Korako. What are the benefits of offenders question, Nuk Korako. What are the benefits of offenders being question, Nuk Korako. What are the benefits of offenders being in benefits of offenders being in employment? benefits of offenders being in employment? We benefits of offenders being in employment? We know benefits of offenders being in employment? We know that benefits of offenders being in employment? We know that there benefits of offenders being in employment? We know that there are employment? We know that there are significant employment? We know that there are significant benefits employment? We know that there are significant benefits from employment? We know that there are significant benefits from being employment? We know that there are significant benefits from being in significant benefits from being in work, significant benefits from being in work, and significant benefits from being in work, and especially significant benefits from being in work, and especially so significant benefits from being in work, and especially so for significant benefits from being in work, and especially so for this work, and especially so for this group work, and especially so for this group of work, and especially so for this group of people. work, and especially so for this group of people. Data work, and especially so for this group of people. Data shows work, and especially so for this group of people. Data shows us group of people. Data shows us around group of people. Data shows us around 80% group of people. Data shows us around 80% of group of people. Data shows us around 80% of released group of people. Data shows us around 80% of released prisoners group of people. Data shows us around 80% of released prisoners are around 80% of released prisoners are still around 80% of released prisoners are still on around 80% of released prisoners are still on a around 80% of released prisoners are still on a benefit around 80% of released prisoners are still on a benefit 12 around 80% of released prisoners are still on a benefit 12 months around 80% of released prisoners are still on a benefit 12 months after still on a benefit 12 months after release still on a benefit 12 months after release and still on a benefit 12 months after release and many still on a benefit 12 months after release and many stay still on a benefit 12 months after release and many stay on still on a benefit 12 months after release and many stay on a still on a benefit 12 months after release and many stay on a benefit release and many stay on a benefit long release and many stay on a benefit long term. release and many stay on a benefit long term. This release and many stay on a benefit long term. This Government release and many stay on a benefit long term. This Government is long term. This Government is committed long term. This Government is committed to long term. This Government is committed to breaking long term. This Government is committed to breaking the long term. This Government is committed to breaking the cycle long term. This Government is committed to breaking the cycle of committed to breaking the cycle of long-term committed to breaking the cycle of long-term welfare committed to breaking the cycle of long-term welfare dependency. committed to breaking the cycle of long-term welfare dependency. We long-term welfare dependency. We also long-term welfare dependency. We also know long-term welfare dependency. We also know that long-term welfare dependency. We also know that if long-term welfare dependency. We also know that if people long-term welfare dependency. We also know that if people are long-term welfare dependency. We also know that if people are in also know that if people are in employment, also know that if people are in employment, they also know that if people are in employment, they are also know that if people are in employment, they are less also know that if people are in employment, they are less likely also know that if people are in employment, they are less likely to employment, they are less likely to commit employment, they are less likely to commit crime. employment, they are less likely to commit crime. And employment, they are less likely to commit crime. And this employment, they are less likely to commit crime. And this Government employment, they are less likely to commit crime. And this Government is commit crime. And this Government is focused commit crime. And this Government is focused on commit crime. And this Government is focused on reducing commit crime. And this Government is focused on reducing the commit crime. And this Government is focused on reducing the reoffending focused on reducing the reoffending rate focused on reducing the reoffending rate and focused on reducing the reoffending rate and this focused on reducing the reoffending rate and this initiative focused on reducing the reoffending rate and this initiative will focused on reducing the reoffending rate and this initiative will go focused on reducing the reoffending rate and this initiative will go a rate and this initiative will go a long rate and this initiative will go a long way rate and this initiative will go a long way to rate and this initiative will go a long way to helping rate and this initiative will go a long way to helping us rate and this initiative will go a long way to helping us achieve rate and this initiative will go a long way to helping us achieve this long way to helping us achieve this target. long way to helping us achieve this target. Question long way to helping us achieve this target. Question No. long way to helping us achieve this target. Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: Minister of Health: Will Minister of Health: Will he Minister of Health: Will he now Minister of Health: Will he now investigate Will he now investigate a Will he now investigate a sugary Will he now investigate a sugary drink Will he now investigate a sugary drink tax, a sugary drink tax, given a sugary drink tax, given the a sugary drink tax, given the World a sugary drink tax, given the World Health a sugary drink tax, given the World Health Organization given the World Health Organization is given the World Health Organization is citing given the World Health Organization is citing evidence is citing evidence that is citing evidence that increasing is citing evidence that increasing taxes is citing evidence that increasing taxes on is citing evidence that increasing taxes on such is citing evidence that increasing taxes on such drinks that increasing taxes on such drinks will that increasing taxes on such drinks will contribute that increasing taxes on such drinks will contribute to that increasing taxes on such drinks will contribute to reducing that increasing taxes on such drinks will contribute to reducing obesity will contribute to reducing obesity and will contribute to reducing obesity and improving will contribute to reducing obesity and improving nutritional will contribute to reducing obesity and improving nutritional health? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr Jonathan The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Contrary The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Contrary to The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Contrary to what The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Contrary to what the The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Contrary to what the member The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Contrary to what the member asserts, Contrary to what the member asserts, there Contrary to what the member asserts, there is Contrary to what the member asserts, there is neither Contrary to what the member asserts, there is neither clear Contrary to what the member asserts, there is neither clear nor Contrary to what the member asserts, there is neither clear nor new there is neither clear nor new evidence there is neither clear nor new evidence on there is neither clear nor new evidence on the there is neither clear nor new evidence on the effect there is neither clear nor new evidence on the effect of there is neither clear nor new evidence on the effect of such evidence on the effect of such attacks evidence on the effect of such attacks on evidence on the effect of such attacks on obesity. evidence on the effect of such attacks on obesity. And evidence on the effect of such attacks on obesity. And the evidence on the effect of such attacks on obesity. And the jury evidence on the effect of such attacks on obesity. And the jury is attacks on obesity. And the jury is still attacks on obesity. And the jury is still out attacks on obesity. And the jury is still out on attacks on obesity. And the jury is still out on this attacks on obesity. And the jury is still out on this issue. attacks on obesity. And the jury is still out on this issue. A attacks on obesity. And the jury is still out on this issue. A sugar attacks on obesity. And the jury is still out on this issue. A sugar tax still out on this issue. A sugar tax isn't still out on this issue. A sugar tax isn't something still out on this issue. A sugar tax isn't something we're still out on this issue. A sugar tax isn't something we're actively isn't something we're actively considering, isn't something we're actively considering, but, isn't something we're actively considering, but, as isn't something we're actively considering, but, as I've isn't something we're actively considering, but, as I've said considering, but, as I've said before, considering, but, as I've said before, we considering, but, as I've said before, we will considering, but, as I've said before, we will continue considering, but, as I've said before, we will continue to considering, but, as I've said before, we will continue to keep considering, but, as I've said before, we will continue to keep a before, we will continue to keep a watching before, we will continue to keep a watching brief before, we will continue to keep a watching brief on before, we will continue to keep a watching brief on the before, we will continue to keep a watching brief on the emerging watching brief on the emerging evidence, watching brief on the emerging evidence, and watching brief on the emerging evidence, and two watching brief on the emerging evidence, and two major watching brief on the emerging evidence, and two major global evidence, and two major global studies evidence, and two major global studies are evidence, and two major global studies are due evidence, and two major global studies are due to evidence, and two major global studies are due to report evidence, and two major global studies are due to report at evidence, and two major global studies are due to report at the evidence, and two major global studies are due to report at the end studies are due to report at the end of studies are due to report at the end of next studies are due to report at the end of next year. studies are due to report at the end of next year. I studies are due to report at the end of next year. I think studies are due to report at the end of next year. I think that studies are due to report at the end of next year. I think that it's of next year. I think that it's important of next year. I think that it's important to of next year. I think that it's important to note of next year. I think that it's important to note that of next year. I think that it's important to note that there's of next year. I think that it's important to note that there's no important to note that there's no single important to note that there's no single solution important to note that there's no single solution that important to note that there's no single solution that will important to note that there's no single solution that will fix single solution that will fix obesity. single solution that will fix obesity. That's single solution that will fix obesity. That's why single solution that will fix obesity. That's why we've obesity. That's why we've implemented obesity. That's why we've implemented the obesity. That's why we've implemented the childhood obesity. That's why we've implemented the childhood obesity implemented the childhood obesity plan implemented the childhood obesity plan with implemented the childhood obesity plan with a implemented the childhood obesity plan with a range implemented the childhood obesity plan with a range of implemented the childhood obesity plan with a range of interventions plan with a range of interventions across plan with a range of interventions across government, plan with a range of interventions across government, schools, plan with a range of interventions across government, schools, families across government, schools, families and across government, schools, families and the across government, schools, families and the private across government, schools, families and the private sector. and the private sector. Supplementary. and the private sector. Supplementary. Supplementary Supplementary. Supplementary question, Supplementary. Supplementary question, Julie Supplementary. Supplementary question, Julie Anne Supplementary. Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. So, Supplementary. Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. So, is question, Julie Anne Genter. So, is he question, Julie Anne Genter. So, is he saying question, Julie Anne Genter. So, is he saying that question, Julie Anne Genter. So, is he saying that the question, Julie Anne Genter. So, is he saying that the World question, Julie Anne Genter. So, is he saying that the World Health he saying that the World Health Organization he saying that the World Health Organization and he saying that the World Health Organization and the he saying that the World Health Organization and the PM's he saying that the World Health Organization and the PM's own he saying that the World Health Organization and the PM's own Chief Organization and the PM's own Chief Science Organization and the PM's own Chief Science inspect Organization and the PM's own Chief Science inspect adviser Organization and the PM's own Chief Science inspect adviser are Organization and the PM's own Chief Science inspect adviser are wrong, Science inspect adviser are wrong, given Science inspect adviser are wrong, given that Science inspect adviser are wrong, given that the Science inspect adviser are wrong, given that the PM's Science inspect adviser are wrong, given that the PM's chief Science inspect adviser are wrong, given that the PM's chief science given that the PM's chief science adviser given that the PM's chief science adviser chaired given that the PM's chief science adviser chaired a given that the PM's chief science adviser chaired a commission given that the PM's chief science adviser chaired a commission on adviser chaired a commission on ending adviser chaired a commission on ending childhood adviser chaired a commission on ending childhood obesity adviser chaired a commission on ending childhood obesity that ending childhood obesity that recommended ending childhood obesity that recommended sugary ending childhood obesity that recommended sugary drinks ending childhood obesity that recommended sugary drinks be ending childhood obesity that recommended sugary drinks be taxed? recommended sugary drinks be taxed? So, recommended sugary drinks be taxed? So, I've recommended sugary drinks be taxed? So, I've talked recommended sugary drinks be taxed? So, I've talked to recommended sugary drinks be taxed? So, I've talked to the recommended sugary drinks be taxed? So, I've talked to the chief recommended sugary drinks be taxed? So, I've talked to the chief science So, I've talked to the chief science adviser So, I've talked to the chief science adviser stensively So, I've talked to the chief science adviser stensively about So, I've talked to the chief science adviser stensively about this, So, I've talked to the chief science adviser stensively about this, and adviser stensively about this, and he adviser stensively about this, and he admitted adviser stensively about this, and he admitted there adviser stensively about this, and he admitted there was adviser stensively about this, and he admitted there was no adviser stensively about this, and he admitted there was no clear he admitted there was no clear evidence he admitted there was no clear evidence on he admitted there was no clear evidence on the he admitted there was no clear evidence on the subject. he admitted there was no clear evidence on the subject. But he admitted there was no clear evidence on the subject. But he he admitted there was no clear evidence on the subject. But he said evidence on the subject. But he said on evidence on the subject. But he said on balance evidence on the subject. But he said on balance he evidence on the subject. But he said on balance he was evidence on the subject. But he said on balance he was in evidence on the subject. But he said on balance he was in favour evidence on the subject. But he said on balance he was in favour of evidence on the subject. But he said on balance he was in favour of a on balance he was in favour of a tax. on balance he was in favour of a tax. But on balance he was in favour of a tax. But the on balance he was in favour of a tax. But the debate on balance he was in favour of a tax. But the debate we on balance he was in favour of a tax. But the debate we had on balance he was in favour of a tax. But the debate we had was, tax. But the debate we had was, "Well, tax. But the debate we had was, "Well, what tax. But the debate we had was, "Well, what really tax. But the debate we had was, "Well, what really is tax. But the debate we had was, "Well, what really is the tax. But the debate we had was, "Well, what really is the price "Well, what really is the price elasticity "Well, what really is the price elasticity in "Well, what really is the price elasticity in this "Well, what really is the price elasticity in this case? "Well, what really is the price elasticity in this case? And "Well, what really is the price elasticity in this case? And how elasticity in this case? And how much elasticity in this case? And how much would elasticity in this case? And how much would you elasticity in this case? And how much would you have elasticity in this case? And how much would you have to elasticity in this case? And how much would you have to put elasticity in this case? And how much would you have to put a elasticity in this case? And how much would you have to put a can elasticity in this case? And how much would you have to put a can of much would you have to put a can of Coke much would you have to put a can of Coke up much would you have to put a can of Coke up to much would you have to put a can of Coke up to stop much would you have to put a can of Coke up to stop people much would you have to put a can of Coke up to stop people buying much would you have to put a can of Coke up to stop people buying it?" Coke up to stop people buying it?" And Coke up to stop people buying it?" And the Coke up to stop people buying it?" And the bottom Coke up to stop people buying it?" And the bottom line Coke up to stop people buying it?" And the bottom line is, Coke up to stop people buying it?" And the bottom line is, there Coke up to stop people buying it?" And the bottom line is, there is Coke up to stop people buying it?" And the bottom line is, there is no And the bottom line is, there is no evidence And the bottom line is, there is no evidence that And the bottom line is, there is no evidence that a And the bottom line is, there is no evidence that a sugary And the bottom line is, there is no evidence that a sugary tax And the bottom line is, there is no evidence that a sugary tax will evidence that a sugary tax will decrease evidence that a sugary tax will decrease obesity. evidence that a sugary tax will decrease obesity. So, evidence that a sugary tax will decrease obesity. So, I evidence that a sugary tax will decrease obesity. So, I know evidence that a sugary tax will decrease obesity. So, I know you decrease obesity. So, I know you love decrease obesity. So, I know you love taxes. decrease obesity. So, I know you love taxes. I decrease obesity. So, I know you love taxes. I know decrease obesity. So, I know you love taxes. I know the decrease obesity. So, I know you love taxes. I know the member decrease obesity. So, I know you love taxes. I know the member loves love taxes. I know the member loves taxes love taxes. I know the member loves taxes and love taxes. I know the member loves taxes and inquiries love taxes. I know the member loves taxes and inquiries and love taxes. I know the member loves taxes and inquiries and sackings, taxes and inquiries and sackings, but taxes and inquiries and sackings, but we're taxes and inquiries and sackings, but we're about taxes and inquiries and sackings, but we're about evidence taxes and inquiries and sackings, but we're about evidence in taxes and inquiries and sackings, but we're about evidence in this but we're about evidence in this case. but we're about evidence in this case. Supplementary. but we're about evidence in this case. Supplementary. Supplementary case. Supplementary. Supplementary question, case. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Friend case. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Friend Friend case. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Friend Friend Friend. case. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Friend Friend Friend. Why question, Friend Friend Friend. Why is question, Friend Friend Friend. Why is the question, Friend Friend Friend. Why is the Government question, Friend Friend Friend. Why is the Government -- question, Friend Friend Friend. Why is the Government -- - question, Friend Friend Friend. Why is the Government -- - Julie question, Friend Friend Friend. Why is the Government -- - Julie Anne is the Government -- - Julie Anne Genter. is the Government -- - Julie Anne Genter. Why is the Government -- - Julie Anne Genter. Why is is the Government -- - Julie Anne Genter. Why is the is the Government -- - Julie Anne Genter. Why is the Government is the Government -- - Julie Anne Genter. Why is the Government happy Genter. Why is the Government happy to Genter. Why is the Government happy to go Genter. Why is the Government happy to go ahead Genter. Why is the Government happy to go ahead with Genter. Why is the Government happy to go ahead with the Genter. Why is the Government happy to go ahead with the childhood to go ahead with the childhood obesity to go ahead with the childhood obesity plan to go ahead with the childhood obesity plan but to go ahead with the childhood obesity plan but not to go ahead with the childhood obesity plan but not a to go ahead with the childhood obesity plan but not a sugary to go ahead with the childhood obesity plan but not a sugary drink obesity plan but not a sugary drink tax obesity plan but not a sugary drink tax with obesity plan but not a sugary drink tax with 70 obesity plan but not a sugary drink tax with 70 public obesity plan but not a sugary drink tax with 70 public health obesity plan but not a sugary drink tax with 70 public health experts obesity plan but not a sugary drink tax with 70 public health experts in tax with 70 public health experts in New tax with 70 public health experts in New Zealand tax with 70 public health experts in New Zealand have tax with 70 public health experts in New Zealand have said tax with 70 public health experts in New Zealand have said there tax with 70 public health experts in New Zealand have said there is tax with 70 public health experts in New Zealand have said there is more New Zealand have said there is more evidence New Zealand have said there is more evidence supporting New Zealand have said there is more evidence supporting a New Zealand have said there is more evidence supporting a sugary New Zealand have said there is more evidence supporting a sugary drinks evidence supporting a sugary drinks tax evidence supporting a sugary drinks tax than evidence supporting a sugary drinks tax than any evidence supporting a sugary drinks tax than any of evidence supporting a sugary drinks tax than any of the evidence supporting a sugary drinks tax than any of the soft evidence supporting a sugary drinks tax than any of the soft strategies tax than any of the soft strategies in tax than any of the soft strategies in his tax than any of the soft strategies in his plan? tax than any of the soft strategies in his plan? The tax than any of the soft strategies in his plan? The member tax than any of the soft strategies in his plan? The member is in his plan? The member is completely in his plan? The member is completely wrong. in his plan? The member is completely wrong. There in his plan? The member is completely wrong. There is in his plan? The member is completely wrong. There is no completely wrong. There is no evidence completely wrong. There is no evidence that completely wrong. There is no evidence that such completely wrong. There is no evidence that such a completely wrong. There is no evidence that such a tax completely wrong. There is no evidence that such a tax would evidence that such a tax would decrease evidence that such a tax would decrease obesity. evidence that such a tax would decrease obesity. If evidence that such a tax would decrease obesity. If you evidence that such a tax would decrease obesity. If you look evidence that such a tax would decrease obesity. If you look at decrease obesity. If you look at what decrease obesity. If you look at what happened decrease obesity. If you look at what happened in decrease obesity. If you look at what happened in Mexico, decrease obesity. If you look at what happened in Mexico, where decrease obesity. If you look at what happened in Mexico, where they what happened in Mexico, where they put what happened in Mexico, where they put a what happened in Mexico, where they put a tax what happened in Mexico, where they put a tax on what happened in Mexico, where they put a tax on two what happened in Mexico, where they put a tax on two years what happened in Mexico, where they put a tax on two years ago, what happened in Mexico, where they put a tax on two years ago, in put a tax on two years ago, in actual put a tax on two years ago, in actual fact, put a tax on two years ago, in actual fact, two put a tax on two years ago, in actual fact, two years put a tax on two years ago, in actual fact, two years later put a tax on two years ago, in actual fact, two years later they're actual fact, two years later they're now actual fact, two years later they're now finding actual fact, two years later they're now finding that actual fact, two years later they're now finding that sales actual fact, two years later they're now finding that sales of actual fact, two years later they're now finding that sales of Coca-Cola now finding that sales of Coca-Cola are now finding that sales of Coca-Cola are growing. now finding that sales of Coca-Cola are growing. So, now finding that sales of Coca-Cola are growing. So, until now finding that sales of Coca-Cola are growing. So, until there now finding that sales of Coca-Cola are growing. So, until there is are growing. So, until there is clear are growing. So, until there is clear evidence, are growing. So, until there is clear evidence, we are growing. So, until there is clear evidence, we won't are growing. So, until there is clear evidence, we won't be clear evidence, we won't be considering clear evidence, we won't be considering it. clear evidence, we won't be considering it. And clear evidence, we won't be considering it. And there's clear evidence, we won't be considering it. And there's not clear evidence, we won't be considering it. And there's not that considering it. And there's not that evidence. considering it. And there's not that evidence. Supplementary. evidence. Supplementary. Supplementary evidence. Supplementary. Supplementary question, evidence. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Julie evidence. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Julie Anne Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. Which Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. Which evidence Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. Which evidence does Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. Which evidence does he Supplementary question, Julie Anne Genter. Which evidence does he think Genter. Which evidence does he think is Genter. Which evidence does he think is more Genter. Which evidence does he think is more reliable? Genter. Which evidence does he think is more reliable? That Genter. Which evidence does he think is more reliable? That from is more reliable? That from independent is more reliable? That from independent public is more reliable? That from independent public health is more reliable? That from independent public health experts is more reliable? That from independent public health experts in independent public health experts in New independent public health experts in New Zealand, independent public health experts in New Zealand, the independent public health experts in New Zealand, the World independent public health experts in New Zealand, the World Health New Zealand, the World Health Organization, New Zealand, the World Health Organization, the New Zealand, the World Health Organization, the PM's New Zealand, the World Health Organization, the PM's own New Zealand, the World Health Organization, the PM's own chief Organization, the PM's own chief science Organization, the PM's own chief science adviser, Organization, the PM's own chief science adviser, or Organization, the PM's own chief science adviser, or research Organization, the PM's own chief science adviser, or research funded science adviser, or research funded by science adviser, or research funded by the science adviser, or research funded by the industry science adviser, or research funded by the industry that science adviser, or research funded by the industry that sells science adviser, or research funded by the industry that sells sugary by the industry that sells sugary drinks by the industry that sells sugary drinks and by the industry that sells sugary drinks and would by the industry that sells sugary drinks and would like by the industry that sells sugary drinks and would like to by the industry that sells sugary drinks and would like to continue drinks and would like to continue selling drinks and would like to continue selling as drinks and would like to continue selling as many drinks and would like to continue selling as many sugary drinks and would like to continue selling as many sugary drinks drinks and would like to continue selling as many sugary drinks as selling as many sugary drinks as possible? selling as many sugary drinks as possible? The selling as many sugary drinks as possible? The Hon selling as many sugary drinks as possible? The Hon Dr selling as many sugary drinks as possible? The Hon Dr Jonathan possible? The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. possible? The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Well, possible? The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Well, certainly, possible? The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Well, certainly, I possible? The Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman. Well, certainly, I haven't Coleman. Well, certainly, I haven't read Coleman. Well, certainly, I haven't read any Coleman. Well, certainly, I haven't read any evidence Coleman. Well, certainly, I haven't read any evidence in Coleman. Well, certainly, I haven't read any evidence in the Coleman. Well, certainly, I haven't read any evidence in the latter read any evidence in the latter category. read any evidence in the latter category. But read any evidence in the latter category. But in read any evidence in the latter category. But in terms read any evidence in the latter category. But in terms of read any evidence in the latter category. But in terms of the read any evidence in the latter category. But in terms of the first category. But in terms of the first category, category. But in terms of the first category, I category. But in terms of the first category, I don't category. But in terms of the first category, I don't think category. But in terms of the first category, I don't think the category. But in terms of the first category, I don't think the member category, I don't think the member should category, I don't think the member should confuse category, I don't think the member should confuse a category, I don't think the member should confuse a passion category, I don't think the member should confuse a passion for category, I don't think the member should confuse a passion for more should confuse a passion for more tax should confuse a passion for more tax with should confuse a passion for more tax with hard should confuse a passion for more tax with hard evidence. should confuse a passion for more tax with hard evidence. And should confuse a passion for more tax with hard evidence. And there should confuse a passion for more tax with hard evidence. And there is tax with hard evidence. And there is no tax with hard evidence. And there is no evidence. tax with hard evidence. And there is no evidence. If tax with hard evidence. And there is no evidence. If the tax with hard evidence. And there is no evidence. If the member tax with hard evidence. And there is no evidence. If the member hats no evidence. If the member hats evidence, no evidence. If the member hats evidence, please no evidence. If the member hats evidence, please drop no evidence. If the member hats evidence, please drop it no evidence. If the member hats evidence, please drop it off no evidence. If the member hats evidence, please drop it off at no evidence. If the member hats evidence, please drop it off at my evidence, please drop it off at my office evidence, please drop it off at my office -- evidence, please drop it off at my office -- has evidence, please drop it off at my office -- has the evidence, please drop it off at my office -- has the evidence, evidence, please drop it off at my office -- has the evidence, please office -- has the evidence, please drop office -- has the evidence, please drop it office -- has the evidence, please drop it off office -- has the evidence, please drop it off at office -- has the evidence, please drop it off at my office -- has the evidence, please drop it off at my office office -- has the evidence, please drop it off at my office and office -- has the evidence, please drop it off at my office and I'll drop it off at my office and I'll tell drop it off at my office and I'll tell you, drop it off at my office and I'll tell you, it drop it off at my office and I'll tell you, it doesn't drop it off at my office and I'll tell you, it doesn't exist. drop it off at my office and I'll tell you, it doesn't exist. I drop it off at my office and I'll tell you, it doesn't exist. I would tell you, it doesn't exist. I would like tell you, it doesn't exist. I would like to tell you, it doesn't exist. I would like to table tell you, it doesn't exist. I would like to table a tell you, it doesn't exist. I would like to table a letter tell you, it doesn't exist. I would like to table a letter from tell you, it doesn't exist. I would like to table a letter from 70 like to table a letter from 70 public like to table a letter from 70 public health like to table a letter from 70 public health experts like to table a letter from 70 public health experts to like to table a letter from 70 public health experts to the public health experts to the Minister public health experts to the Minister of public health experts to the Minister of Health public health experts to the Minister of Health saying public health experts to the Minister of Health saying that Minister of Health saying that there's Minister of Health saying that there's more Minister of Health saying that there's more evidence Minister of Health saying that there's more evidence for Minister of Health saying that there's more evidence for a Minister of Health saying that there's more evidence for a sugary there's more evidence for a sugary drinks there's more evidence for a sugary drinks tax there's more evidence for a sugary drinks tax than there's more evidence for a sugary drinks tax than any there's more evidence for a sugary drinks tax than any initiative there's more evidence for a sugary drinks tax than any initiative in drinks tax than any initiative in his drinks tax than any initiative in his childhood drinks tax than any initiative in his childhood obesity drinks tax than any initiative in his childhood obesity plan. drinks tax than any initiative in his childhood obesity plan. Order! his childhood obesity plan. Order! The his childhood obesity plan. Order! The date his childhood obesity plan. Order! The date of his childhood obesity plan. Order! The date of the his childhood obesity plan. Order! The date of the letter, his childhood obesity plan. Order! The date of the letter, please? his childhood obesity plan. Order! The date of the letter, please? I The date of the letter, please? I don't The date of the letter, please? I don't have The date of the letter, please? I don't have the The date of the letter, please? I don't have the date The date of the letter, please? I don't have the date here. The date of the letter, please? I don't have the date here. No, The date of the letter, please? I don't have the date here. No, I The date of the letter, please? I don't have the date here. No, I need don't have the date here. No, I need to don't have the date here. No, I need to put don't have the date here. No, I need to put the don't have the date here. No, I need to put the leave don't have the date here. No, I need to put the leave for don't have the date here. No, I need to put the leave for this don't have the date here. No, I need to put the leave for this first, don't have the date here. No, I need to put the leave for this first, and to put the leave for this first, and then to put the leave for this first, and then I'll to put the leave for this first, and then I'll hear to put the leave for this first, and then I'll hear from to put the leave for this first, and then I'll hear from the to put the leave for this first, and then I'll hear from the Minister. then I'll hear from the Minister. Leave then I'll hear from the Minister. Leave is then I'll hear from the Minister. Leave is sought then I'll hear from the Minister. Leave is sought to then I'll hear from the Minister. Leave is sought to table then I'll hear from the Minister. Leave is sought to table that Leave is sought to table that particular Leave is sought to table that particular letter. Leave is sought to table that particular letter. Is Leave is sought to table that particular letter. Is there Leave is sought to table that particular letter. Is there any particular letter. Is there any objection? particular letter. Is there any objection? There particular letter. Is there any objection? There is particular letter. Is there any objection? There is none. particular letter. Is there any objection? There is none. It particular letter. Is there any objection? There is none. It can particular letter. Is there any objection? There is none. It can be objection? There is none. It can be tabled objection? There is none. It can be tabled J objection? There is none. It can be tabled J point objection? There is none. It can be tabled J point of objection? There is none. It can be tabled J point of order. objection? There is none. It can be tabled J point of order. Point objection? There is none. It can be tabled J point of order. Point of tabled J point of order. Point of order, tabled J point of order. Point of order, Julie tabled J point of order. Point of order, Julie Anne tabled J point of order. Point of order, Julie Anne Genter. tabled J point of order. Point of order, Julie Anne Genter. I tabled J point of order. Point of order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to table order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to table the order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to table the journal order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to table the journal article leave to table the journal article from leave to table the journal article from the leave to table the journal article from the British leave to table the journal article from the British Medical leave to table the journal article from the British Medical Journal, from the British Medical Journal, published from the British Medical Journal, published in from the British Medical Journal, published in 2016, from the British Medical Journal, published in 2016, January from the British Medical Journal, published in 2016, January this published in 2016, January this year. published in 2016, January this year. It's published in 2016, January this year. It's a published in 2016, January this year. It's a bit published in 2016, January this year. It's a bit behind published in 2016, January this year. It's a bit behind a... published in 2016, January this year. It's a bit behind a... The year. It's a bit behind a... The title year. It's a bit behind a... The title of year. It's a bit behind a... The title of the year. It's a bit behind a... The title of the article year. It's a bit behind a... The title of the article is year. It's a bit behind a... The title of the article is beverage title of the article is beverage purchases title of the article is beverage purchases from title of the article is beverage purchases from stores title of the article is beverage purchases from stores in title of the article is beverage purchases from stores in Mexico purchases from stores in Mexico under purchases from stores in Mexico under the purchases from stores in Mexico under the excise purchases from stores in Mexico under the excise tax purchases from stores in Mexico under the excise tax on purchases from stores in Mexico under the excise tax on sugar, under the excise tax on sugar, sweets under the excise tax on sugar, sweets and... under the excise tax on sugar, sweets and... Order! under the excise tax on sugar, sweets and... Order! The under the excise tax on sugar, sweets and... Order! The document sweets and... Order! The document has sweets and... Order! The document has been sweets and... Order! The document has been well sweets and... Order! The document has been well and sweets and... Order! The document has been well and truly sweets and... Order! The document has been well and truly described. sweets and... Order! The document has been well and truly described. I has been well and truly described. I need has been well and truly described. I need to has been well and truly described. I need to put has been well and truly described. I need to put the has been well and truly described. I need to put the leave has been well and truly described. I need to put the leave for has been well and truly described. I need to put the leave for you. has been well and truly described. I need to put the leave for you. Leave need to put the leave for you. Leave is need to put the leave for you. Leave is sought need to put the leave for you. Leave is sought to need to put the leave for you. Leave is sought to table need to put the leave for you. Leave is sought to table that need to put the leave for you. Leave is sought to table that particular is sought to table that particular article is sought to table that particular article in is sought to table that particular article in the is sought to table that particular article in the medical is sought to table that particular article in the medical journal. is sought to table that particular article in the medical journal. Is article in the medical journal. Is there article in the medical journal. Is there any article in the medical journal. Is there any objection? article in the medical journal. Is there any objection? None. article in the medical journal. Is there any objection? None. It article in the medical journal. Is there any objection? None. It can article in the medical journal. Is there any objection? None. It can be there any objection? None. It can be tabled. there any objection? None. It can be tabled. Point there any objection? None. It can be tabled. Point of there any objection? None. It can be tabled. Point of order. there any objection? None. It can be tabled. Point of order. I there any objection? None. It can be tabled. Point of order. I seek there any objection? None. It can be tabled. Point of order. I seek leave tabled. Point of order. I seek leave to tabled. Point of order. I seek leave to table tabled. Point of order. I seek leave to table the tabled. Point of order. I seek leave to table the academic tabled. Point of order. I seek leave to table the academic journal to table the academic journal article to table the academic journal article from to table the academic journal article from the to table the academic journal article from the Obesity to table the academic journal article from the Obesity Review, article from the Obesity Review, published article from the Obesity Review, published in article from the Obesity Review, published in 2013, article from the Obesity Review, published in 2013, the article from the Obesity Review, published in 2013, the title article from the Obesity Review, published in 2013, the title of article from the Obesity Review, published in 2013, the title of the published in 2013, the title of the article published in 2013, the title of the article is published in 2013, the title of the article is - published in 2013, the title of the article is - assessing published in 2013, the title of the article is - assessing the published in 2013, the title of the article is - assessing the potential article is - assessing the potential effectiveness article is - assessing the potential effectiveness of article is - assessing the potential effectiveness of food article is - assessing the potential effectiveness of food and article is - assessing the potential effectiveness of food and beverage effectiveness of food and beverage taxes effectiveness of food and beverage taxes and effectiveness of food and beverage taxes and subsidies effectiveness of food and beverage taxes and subsidies for effectiveness of food and beverage taxes and subsidies for improving taxes and subsidies for improving public taxes and subsidies for improving public health... taxes and subsidies for improving public health... Order! taxes and subsidies for improving public health... Order! That public health... Order! That description public health... Order! That description will public health... Order! That description will do. public health... Order! That description will do. I'll public health... Order! That description will do. I'll put public health... Order! That description will do. I'll put the description will do. I'll put the leave. description will do. I'll put the leave. It's description will do. I'll put the leave. It's an description will do. I'll put the leave. It's an academic description will do. I'll put the leave. It's an academic journal leave. It's an academic journal dated leave. It's an academic journal dated 2013 leave. It's an academic journal dated 2013 on leave. It's an academic journal dated 2013 on the leave. It's an academic journal dated 2013 on the issue leave. It's an academic journal dated 2013 on the issue of leave. It's an academic journal dated 2013 on the issue of obesity. dated 2013 on the issue of obesity. Is dated 2013 on the issue of obesity. Is there dated 2013 on the issue of obesity. Is there any dated 2013 on the issue of obesity. Is there any objection dated 2013 on the issue of obesity. Is there any objection to dated 2013 on the issue of obesity. Is there any objection to it dated 2013 on the issue of obesity. Is there any objection to it being Is there any objection to it being tabled? Is there any objection to it being tabled? Point Is there any objection to it being tabled? Point of Is there any objection to it being tabled? Point of order. Is there any objection to it being tabled? Point of order. Point Is there any objection to it being tabled? Point of order. Point of tabled? Point of order. Point of order, tabled? Point of order. Point of order, Julie tabled? Point of order. Point of order, Julie Anne tabled? Point of order. Point of order, Julie Anne Genter. tabled? Point of order. Point of order, Julie Anne Genter. I tabled? Point of order. Point of order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to table order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to table a order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to table a journal order, Julie Anne Genter. I seek leave to table a journal article leave to table a journal article from leave to table a journal article from the leave to table a journal article from the American leave to table a journal article from the American Journal leave to table a journal article from the American Journal of leave to table a journal article from the American Journal of Public from the American Journal of Public Health from the American Journal of Public Health published from the American Journal of Public Health published in from the American Journal of Public Health published in 2015, from the American Journal of Public Health published in 2015, higher Health published in 2015, higher retail Health published in 2015, higher retail prices Health published in 2015, higher retail prices of Health published in 2015, higher retail prices of sugar, Health published in 2015, higher retail prices of sugar, sweet Health published in 2015, higher retail prices of sugar, sweet and retail prices of sugar, sweet and beverages... retail prices of sugar, sweet and beverages... Order! retail prices of sugar, sweet and beverages... Order! Again retail prices of sugar, sweet and beverages... Order! Again a retail prices of sugar, sweet and beverages... Order! Again a brief beverages... Order! Again a brief description beverages... Order! Again a brief description is beverages... Order! Again a brief description is quite beverages... Order! Again a brief description is quite satisfactory. description is quite satisfactory. Now, description is quite satisfactory. Now, before description is quite satisfactory. Now, before I description is quite satisfactory. Now, before I put description is quite satisfactory. Now, before I put the description is quite satisfactory. Now, before I put the leave, description is quite satisfactory. Now, before I put the leave, does Now, before I put the leave, does the Now, before I put the leave, does the member Now, before I put the leave, does the member have Now, before I put the leave, does the member have any Now, before I put the leave, does the member have any other Now, before I put the leave, does the member have any other documents the member have any other documents she the member have any other documents she wishes the member have any other documents she wishes to the member have any other documents she wishes to seek the member have any other documents she wishes to seek leave? the member have any other documents she wishes to seek leave? I the member have any other documents she wishes to seek leave? I have the member have any other documents she wishes to seek leave? I have a she wishes to seek leave? I have a few she wishes to seek leave? I have a few more. she wishes to seek leave? I have a few more. Well, she wishes to seek leave? I have a few more. Well, the she wishes to seek leave? I have a few more. Well, the member she wishes to seek leave? I have a few more. Well, the member had few more. Well, the member had better few more. Well, the member had better be few more. Well, the member had better be careful few more. Well, the member had better be careful about few more. Well, the member had better be careful about using few more. Well, the member had better be careful about using up few more. Well, the member had better be careful about using up the better be careful about using up the patience better be careful about using up the patience of better be careful about using up the patience of the better be careful about using up the patience of the House. better be careful about using up the patience of the House. Let's better be careful about using up the patience of the House. Let's - patience of the House. Let's - Order! patience of the House. Let's - Order! No, patience of the House. Let's - Order! No, I'm patience of the House. Let's - Order! No, I'm dealing patience of the House. Let's - Order! No, I'm dealing with patience of the House. Let's - Order! No, I'm dealing with this Order! No, I'm dealing with this one. Order! No, I'm dealing with this one. Let's Order! No, I'm dealing with this one. Let's have Order! No, I'm dealing with this one. Let's have a Order! No, I'm dealing with this one. Let's have a list Order! No, I'm dealing with this one. Let's have a list of Order! No, I'm dealing with this one. Let's have a list of them Order! No, I'm dealing with this one. Let's have a list of them all. one. Let's have a list of them all. I'll one. Let's have a list of them all. I'll put one. Let's have a list of them all. I'll put the one. Let's have a list of them all. I'll put the leave one. Let's have a list of them all. I'll put the leave and one. Let's have a list of them all. I'll put the leave and see one. Let's have a list of them all. I'll put the leave and see whether I'll put the leave and see whether the I'll put the leave and see whether the members I'll put the leave and see whether the members are I'll put the leave and see whether the members are happy I'll put the leave and see whether the members are happy for I'll put the leave and see whether the members are happy for them I'll put the leave and see whether the members are happy for them to I'll put the leave and see whether the members are happy for them to be the members are happy for them to be tabled. the members are happy for them to be tabled. There the members are happy for them to be tabled. There is the members are happy for them to be tabled. There is an the members are happy for them to be tabled. There is an article the members are happy for them to be tabled. There is an article called tabled. There is an article called taxing tabled. There is an article called taxing sweetened tabled. There is an article called taxing sweetened beverages, taxing sweetened beverages, potential taxing sweetened beverages, potential effects taxing sweetened beverages, potential effects on taxing sweetened beverages, potential effects on beverage potential effects on beverage consumption, potential effects on beverage consumption, calorie potential effects on beverage consumption, calorie intake... potential effects on beverage consumption, calorie intake... That consumption, calorie intake... That well consumption, calorie intake... That well enough consumption, calorie intake... That well enough Ed consumption, calorie intake... That well enough Ed described. consumption, calorie intake... That well enough Ed described. From consumption, calorie intake... That well enough Ed described. From the well enough Ed described. From the USDA well enough Ed described. From the USDA Dept well enough Ed described. From the USDA Dept of well enough Ed described. From the USDA Dept of Agriculture, well enough Ed described. From the USDA Dept of Agriculture, the USDA Dept of Agriculture, the Economic USDA Dept of Agriculture, the Economic Research USDA Dept of Agriculture, the Economic Research Service. USDA Dept of Agriculture, the Economic Research Service. Leave USDA Dept of Agriculture, the Economic Research Service. Leave is Economic Research Service. Leave is sought Economic Research Service. Leave is sought to Economic Research Service. Leave is sought to table Economic Research Service. Leave is sought to table all Economic Research Service. Leave is sought to table all of Economic Research Service. Leave is sought to table all of those... Economic Research Service. Leave is sought to table all of those... One sought to table all of those... One more. sought to table all of those... One more. A sought to table all of those... One more. A typology sought to table all of those... One more. A typology of sought to table all of those... One more. A typology of beverage more. A typology of beverage taxation, more. A typology of beverage taxation, multiple more. A typology of beverage taxation, multiple approaches more. A typology of beverage taxation, multiple approaches for taxation, multiple approaches for obesity taxation, multiple approaches for obesity prevention taxation, multiple approaches for obesity prevention and taxation, multiple approaches for obesity prevention and obesity obesity prevention and obesity prevention obesity prevention and obesity prevention related obesity prevention and obesity prevention related revenue... obesity prevention and obesity prevention related revenue... Order! prevention related revenue... Order! Those prevention related revenue... Order! Those significant prevention related revenue... Order! Those significant number prevention related revenue... Order! Those significant number of Those significant number of documents Those significant number of documents have Those significant number of documents have now Those significant number of documents have now been Those significant number of documents have now been described. documents have now been described. It's documents have now been described. It's over documents have now been described. It's over to documents have now been described. It's over to the documents have now been described. It's over to the House. documents have now been described. It's over to the House. I'll documents have now been described. It's over to the House. I'll put documents have now been described. It's over to the House. I'll put the It's over to the House. I'll put the leave It's over to the House. I'll put the leave for It's over to the House. I'll put the leave for the It's over to the House. I'll put the leave for the House It's over to the House. I'll put the leave for the House to It's over to the House. I'll put the leave for the House to decide. It's over to the House. I'll put the leave for the House to decide. Is leave for the House to decide. Is there leave for the House to decide. Is there any leave for the House to decide. Is there any objection leave for the House to decide. Is there any objection to leave for the House to decide. Is there any objection to those there any objection to those documents there any objection to those documents being there any objection to those documents being tabled? there any objection to those documents being tabled? Point there any objection to those documents being tabled? Point of documents being tabled? Point of order. documents being tabled? Point of order. Order! documents being tabled? Point of order. Order! Point documents being tabled? Point of order. Order! Point of documents being tabled? Point of order. Order! Point of order. documents being tabled? Point of order. Order! Point of order. A documents being tabled? Point of order. Order! Point of order. A long order. Order! Point of order. A long list order. Order! Point of order. A long list there. order. Order! Point of order. A long list there. That order. Order! Point of order. A long list there. That first order. Order! Point of order. A long list there. That first letter order. Order! Point of order. A long list there. That first letter the list there. That first letter the member list there. That first letter the member is list there. That first letter the member is tabling list there. That first letter the member is tabling was list there. That first letter the member is tabling was actually member is tabling was actually published member is tabling was actually published in member is tabling was actually published in the member is tabling was actually published in the New member is tabling was actually published in the New Zealand member is tabling was actually published in the New Zealand Herald published in the New Zealand Herald a published in the New Zealand Herald a few published in the New Zealand Herald a few months published in the New Zealand Herald a few months ago. published in the New Zealand Herald a few months ago. So, published in the New Zealand Herald a few months ago. So, I published in the New Zealand Herald a few months ago. So, I can published in the New Zealand Herald a few months ago. So, I can table published in the New Zealand Herald a few months ago. So, I can table a a few months ago. So, I can table a whole a few months ago. So, I can table a whole lot a few months ago. So, I can table a whole lot of a few months ago. So, I can table a whole lot of newspaper a few months ago. So, I can table a whole lot of newspaper articles a few months ago. So, I can table a whole lot of newspaper articles to whole lot of newspaper articles to counter whole lot of newspaper articles to counter that whole lot of newspaper articles to counter that sort whole lot of newspaper articles to counter that sort of whole lot of newspaper articles to counter that sort of rubbish. whole lot of newspaper articles to counter that sort of rubbish. Order! counter that sort of rubbish. Order! The counter that sort of rubbish. Order! The process counter that sort of rubbish. Order! The process is counter that sort of rubbish. Order! The process is quite counter that sort of rubbish. Order! The process is quite simple. counter that sort of rubbish. Order! The process is quite simple. I counter that sort of rubbish. Order! The process is quite simple. I need The process is quite simple. I need a The process is quite simple. I need a description The process is quite simple. I need a description to The process is quite simple. I need a description to decide The process is quite simple. I need a description to decide whether The process is quite simple. I need a description to decide whether it's a description to decide whether it's relevant. a description to decide whether it's relevant. If a description to decide whether it's relevant. If in a description to decide whether it's relevant. If in doubt, a description to decide whether it's relevant. If in doubt, I a description to decide whether it's relevant. If in doubt, I will a description to decide whether it's relevant. If in doubt, I will put relevant. If in doubt, I will put the relevant. If in doubt, I will put the leave. relevant. If in doubt, I will put the leave. Then relevant. If in doubt, I will put the leave. Then it relevant. If in doubt, I will put the leave. Then it is relevant. If in doubt, I will put the leave. Then it is over relevant. If in doubt, I will put the leave. Then it is over to relevant. If in doubt, I will put the leave. Then it is over to any the leave. Then it is over to any member the leave. Then it is over to any member to the leave. Then it is over to any member to exercise the leave. Then it is over to any member to exercise his the leave. Then it is over to any member to exercise his or the leave. Then it is over to any member to exercise his or her the leave. Then it is over to any member to exercise his or her right member to exercise his or her right at member to exercise his or her right at the member to exercise his or her right at the time member to exercise his or her right at the time to member to exercise his or her right at the time to object member to exercise his or her right at the time to object to member to exercise his or her right at the time to object to it member to exercise his or her right at the time to object to it being at the time to object to it being tabled. at the time to object to it being tabled. Once at the time to object to it being tabled. Once it at the time to object to it being tabled. Once it has at the time to object to it being tabled. Once it has been at the time to object to it being tabled. Once it has been tabled, tabled. Once it has been tabled, there's tabled. Once it has been tabled, there's no tabled. Once it has been tabled, there's no point tabled. Once it has been tabled, there's no point in tabled. Once it has been tabled, there's no point in then tabled. Once it has been tabled, there's no point in then raising tabled. Once it has been tabled, there's no point in then raising the there's no point in then raising the objection, there's no point in then raising the objection, as there's no point in then raising the objection, as the there's no point in then raising the objection, as the Minister there's no point in then raising the objection, as the Minister just there's no point in then raising the objection, as the Minister just did. objection, as the Minister just did. Point objection, as the Minister just did. Point of objection, as the Minister just did. Point of order, objection, as the Minister just did. Point of order, Mr objection, as the Minister just did. Point of order, Mr Speaker? objection, as the Minister just did. Point of order, Mr Speaker? I objection, as the Minister just did. Point of order, Mr Speaker? I will Point of order, Mr Speaker? I will hear Point of order, Mr Speaker? I will hear from Point of order, Mr Speaker? I will hear from the Point of order, Mr Speaker? I will hear from the I Point of order, Mr Speaker? I will hear from the I seek Point of order, Mr Speaker? I will hear from the I seek leave Point of order, Mr Speaker? I will hear from the I seek leave list... hear from the I seek leave list... To hear from the I seek leave list... To table hear from the I seek leave list... To table advice hear from the I seek leave list... To table advice to hear from the I seek leave list... To table advice to me hear from the I seek leave list... To table advice to me from hear from the I seek leave list... To table advice to me from the To table advice to me from the Ministry To table advice to me from the Ministry of To table advice to me from the Ministry of Health To table advice to me from the Ministry of Health saying To table advice to me from the Ministry of Health saying that To table advice to me from the Ministry of Health saying that there Ministry of Health saying that there is Ministry of Health saying that there is no Ministry of Health saying that there is no conclusive Ministry of Health saying that there is no conclusive evidence Ministry of Health saying that there is no conclusive evidence that Ministry of Health saying that there is no conclusive evidence that a is no conclusive evidence that a sugar is no conclusive evidence that a sugar tax is no conclusive evidence that a sugar tax will is no conclusive evidence that a sugar tax will increase is no conclusive evidence that a sugar tax will increase obesity... sugar tax will increase obesity... Leave sugar tax will increase obesity... Leave is sugar tax will increase obesity... Leave is sought sugar tax will increase obesity... Leave is sought to sugar tax will increase obesity... Leave is sought to table sugar tax will increase obesity... Leave is sought to table that Leave is sought to table that particular Leave is sought to table that particular advice Leave is sought to table that particular advice to Leave is sought to table that particular advice to the Leave is sought to table that particular advice to the Minister particular advice to the Minister from particular advice to the Minister from the particular advice to the Minister from the Ministry. particular advice to the Minister from the Ministry. Is particular advice to the Minister from the Ministry. Is there particular advice to the Minister from the Ministry. Is there any from the Ministry. Is there any objection? from the Ministry. Is there any objection? There from the Ministry. Is there any objection? There is from the Ministry. Is there any objection? There is none. from the Ministry. Is there any objection? There is none. It from the Ministry. Is there any objection? There is none. It can from the Ministry. Is there any objection? There is none. It can be objection? There is none. It can be tabled. objection? There is none. It can be tabled. Point objection? There is none. It can be tabled. Point of objection? There is none. It can be tabled. Point of order? objection? There is none. It can be tabled. Point of order? Point objection? There is none. It can be tabled. Point of order? Point of tabled. Point of order? Point of order? tabled. Point of order? Point of order? I tabled. Point of order? Point of order? I will tabled. Point of order? Point of order? I will hear tabled. Point of order? Point of order? I will hear from tabled. Point of order? Point of order? I will hear from the order? I will hear from the Honourable order? I will hear from the Honourable Dr... order? I will hear from the Honourable Dr... I order? I will hear from the Honourable Dr... I seek order? I will hear from the Honourable Dr... I seek leave order? I will hear from the Honourable Dr... I seek leave to Honourable Dr... I seek leave to table Honourable Dr... I seek leave to table an Honourable Dr... I seek leave to table an article Honourable Dr... I seek leave to table an article from Honourable Dr... I seek leave to table an article from the Honourable Dr... I seek leave to table an article from the Wall table an article from the Wall Street table an article from the Wall Street Journal table an article from the Wall Street Journal from table an article from the Wall Street Journal from May table an article from the Wall Street Journal from May of table an article from the Wall Street Journal from May of this Street Journal from May of this year, Street Journal from May of this year, which Street Journal from May of this year, which shows Street Journal from May of this year, which shows that Street Journal from May of this year, which shows that Coca-Cola year, which shows that Coca-Cola sales year, which shows that Coca-Cola sales have year, which shows that Coca-Cola sales have actually year, which shows that Coca-Cola sales have actually increased year, which shows that Coca-Cola sales have actually increased in sales have actually increased in Mexico... sales have actually increased in Mexico... Order! sales have actually increased in Mexico... Order! It's sales have actually increased in Mexico... Order! It's been Mexico... Order! It's been described. Mexico... Order! It's been described. Again, Mexico... Order! It's been described. Again, is Mexico... Order! It's been described. Again, is the Mexico... Order! It's been described. Again, is the Minister described. Again, is the Minister also described. Again, is the Minister also going described. Again, is the Minister also going to described. Again, is the Minister also going to attempt described. Again, is the Minister also going to attempt to described. Again, is the Minister also going to attempt to table described. Again, is the Minister also going to attempt to table a also going to attempt to table a large also going to attempt to table a large number also going to attempt to table a large number of also going to attempt to table a large number of documents? also going to attempt to table a large number of documents? I'll large number of documents? I'll have... large number of documents? I'll have... No, large number of documents? I'll have... No, I'm large number of documents? I'll have... No, I'm just large number of documents? I'll have... No, I'm just maiblinging large number of documents? I'll have... No, I'm just maiblinging a have... No, I'm just maiblinging a point. have... No, I'm just maiblinging a point. That's have... No, I'm just maiblinging a point. That's it have... No, I'm just maiblinging a point. That's it -- have... No, I'm just maiblinging a point. That's it -- making have... No, I'm just maiblinging a point. That's it -- making a have... No, I'm just maiblinging a point. That's it -- making a point. point. That's it -- making a point. But point. That's it -- making a point. But if point. That's it -- making a point. But if it's point. That's it -- making a point. But if it's the point. That's it -- making a point. But if it's the Wall point. That's it -- making a point. But if it's the Wall Street point. That's it -- making a point. But if it's the Wall Street Journal, But if it's the Wall Street Journal, then But if it's the Wall Street Journal, then that But if it's the Wall Street Journal, then that surely But if it's the Wall Street Journal, then that surely is But if it's the Wall Street Journal, then that surely is available But if it's the Wall Street Journal, then that surely is available to But if it's the Wall Street Journal, then that surely is available to all then that surely is available to all members then that surely is available to all members competent then that surely is available to all members competent to then that surely is available to all members competent to use... members competent to use... <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! My <INTERRUPTION> Order! My point... <INTERRUPTION> Order! My point... No. <INTERRUPTION> Order! My point... No. Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! My point... No. Order! The Order! My point... No. Order! The point Order! My point... No. Order! The point made Order! My point... No. Order! The point made by Order! My point... No. Order! The point made by the Order! My point... No. Order! The point made by the member Order! My point... No. Order! The point made by the member was Order! My point... No. Order! The point made by the member was a Order! My point... No. Order! The point made by the member was a lot point made by the member was a lot of point made by the member was a lot of her point made by the member was a lot of her medical point made by the member was a lot of her medical journals, point made by the member was a lot of her medical journals, difficult of her medical journals, difficult to of her medical journals, difficult to find. of her medical journals, difficult to find. Order! of her medical journals, difficult to find. Order! If of her medical journals, difficult to find. Order! If the of her medical journals, difficult to find. Order! If the Honourable to find. Order! If the Honourable Minister to find. Order! If the Honourable Minister wants to find. Order! If the Honourable Minister wants to to find. Order! If the Honourable Minister wants to stay to find. Order! If the Honourable Minister wants to stay for to find. Order! If the Honourable Minister wants to stay for the Minister wants to stay for the balance Minister wants to stay for the balance of Minister wants to stay for the balance of question Minister wants to stay for the balance of question time, Minister wants to stay for the balance of question time, then Minister wants to stay for the balance of question time, then don't balance of question time, then don't interrupt balance of question time, then don't interrupt me balance of question time, then don't interrupt me when balance of question time, then don't interrupt me when I'm balance of question time, then don't interrupt me when I'm on balance of question time, then don't interrupt me when I'm on my balance of question time, then don't interrupt me when I'm on my feet. interrupt me when I'm on my feet. There interrupt me when I'm on my feet. There was interrupt me when I'm on my feet. There was one interrupt me when I'm on my feet. There was one that interrupt me when I'm on my feet. There was one that was interrupt me when I'm on my feet. There was one that was taken interrupt me when I'm on my feet. There was one that was taken as There was one that was taken as behind There was one that was taken as behind a There was one that was taken as behind a pay There was one that was taken as behind a pay wall. There was one that was taken as behind a pay wall. On There was one that was taken as behind a pay wall. On that There was one that was taken as behind a pay wall. On that basis, There was one that was taken as behind a pay wall. On that basis, I behind a pay wall. On that basis, I put behind a pay wall. On that basis, I put the behind a pay wall. On that basis, I put the leave. behind a pay wall. On that basis, I put the leave. I behind a pay wall. On that basis, I put the leave. I am behind a pay wall. On that basis, I put the leave. I am not behind a pay wall. On that basis, I put the leave. I am not prepared behind a pay wall. On that basis, I put the leave. I am not prepared to put the leave. I am not prepared to put put the leave. I am not prepared to put the put the leave. I am not prepared to put the leave put the leave. I am not prepared to put the leave for put the leave. I am not prepared to put the leave for something put the leave. I am not prepared to put the leave for something that's put the leave for something that's in put the leave for something that's in the put the leave for something that's in the Wall put the leave for something that's in the Wall Street put the leave for something that's in the Wall Street Journal. put the leave for something that's in the Wall Street Journal. I put the leave for something that's in the Wall Street Journal. I hope in the Wall Street Journal. I hope that's in the Wall Street Journal. I hope that's clear in the Wall Street Journal. I hope that's clear to in the Wall Street Journal. I hope that's clear to the in the Wall Street Journal. I hope that's clear to the Minister. that's clear to the Minister. Further...? that's clear to the Minister. Further...? James that's clear to the Minister. Further...? James Shaw. that's clear to the Minister. Further...? James Shaw. Thank that's clear to the Minister. Further...? James Shaw. Thank you, Further...? James Shaw. Thank you, Mr Further...? James Shaw. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Further...? James Shaw. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I Further...? James Shaw. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I mean, Further...? James Shaw. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I mean, the Further...? James Shaw. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I mean, the Minister Further...? James Shaw. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I mean, the Minister did Mr Speaker. I mean, the Minister did ask Mr Speaker. I mean, the Minister did ask for Mr Speaker. I mean, the Minister did ask for evidence Mr Speaker. I mean, the Minister did ask for evidence and Mr Speaker. I mean, the Minister did ask for evidence and he Mr Speaker. I mean, the Minister did ask for evidence and he surely ask for evidence and he surely cannot ask for evidence and he surely cannot object ask for evidence and he surely cannot object when ask for evidence and he surely cannot object when it ask for evidence and he surely cannot object when it is ask for evidence and he surely cannot object when it is then... cannot object when it is then... Order! cannot object when it is then... Order! I cannot object when it is then... Order! I want cannot object when it is then... Order! I want the cannot object when it is then... Order! I want the point cannot object when it is then... Order! I want the point of cannot object when it is then... Order! I want the point of order. Order! I want the point of order. There Order! I want the point of order. There isn't Order! I want the point of order. There isn't one. Order! I want the point of order. There isn't one. Further Order! I want the point of order. There isn't one. Further points Order! I want the point of order. There isn't one. Further points of There isn't one. Further points of order? There isn't one. Further points of order? Tracey There isn't one. Further points of order? Tracey Martin. There isn't one. Further points of order? Tracey Martin. Kia There isn't one. Further points of order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. There isn't one. Further points of order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. And order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. And this order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. And this is order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. And this is actually order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. And this is actually a order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. And this is actually a point order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. And this is actually a point of order? Tracey Martin. Kia ora. And this is actually a point of order, this is actually a point of order, Mr this is actually a point of order, Mr Speaker. this is actually a point of order, Mr Speaker. My this is actually a point of order, Mr Speaker. My understanding, this is actually a point of order, Mr Speaker. My understanding, and Mr Speaker. My understanding, and I'm Mr Speaker. My understanding, and I'm sure Mr Speaker. My understanding, and I'm sure you've Mr Speaker. My understanding, and I'm sure you've made Mr Speaker. My understanding, and I'm sure you've made it Mr Speaker. My understanding, and I'm sure you've made it clear Mr Speaker. My understanding, and I'm sure you've made it clear on I'm sure you've made it clear on several I'm sure you've made it clear on several occasions, I'm sure you've made it clear on several occasions, is I'm sure you've made it clear on several occasions, is that I'm sure you've made it clear on several occasions, is that point I'm sure you've made it clear on several occasions, is that point of several occasions, is that point of orders several occasions, is that point of orders are several occasions, is that point of orders are supposed several occasions, is that point of orders are supposed to several occasions, is that point of orders are supposed to be several occasions, is that point of orders are supposed to be heard several occasions, is that point of orders are supposed to be heard in orders are supposed to be heard in silence. orders are supposed to be heard in silence. It's orders are supposed to be heard in silence. It's become orders are supposed to be heard in silence. It's become more orders are supposed to be heard in silence. It's become more and orders are supposed to be heard in silence. It's become more and more silence. It's become more and more common silence. It's become more and more common that silence. It's become more and more common that the silence. It's become more and more common that the National silence. It's become more and more common that the National Party common that the National Party backbench, common that the National Party backbench, particularly common that the National Party backbench, particularly when common that the National Party backbench, particularly when members backbench, particularly when members of backbench, particularly when members of the backbench, particularly when members of the Green backbench, particularly when members of the Green Party backbench, particularly when members of the Green Party and backbench, particularly when members of the Green Party and particularly of the Green Party and particularly when of the Green Party and particularly when women of the Green Party and particularly when women are of the Green Party and particularly when women are standing... when women are standing... <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> ..decide... <INTERRUPTION> ..decide... Order! <INTERRUPTION> ..decide... Order! Points <INTERRUPTION> ..decide... Order! Points are <INTERRUPTION> ..decide... Order! Points are being ..decide... Order! Points are being made. ..decide... Order! Points are being made. I ..decide... Order! Points are being made. I think ..decide... Order! Points are being made. I think there ..decide... Order! Points are being made. I think there is ..decide... Order! Points are being made. I think there is some ..decide... Order! Points are being made. I think there is some value ..decide... Order! Points are being made. I think there is some value in made. I think there is some value in it. made. I think there is some value in it. I made. I think there is some value in it. I don't made. I think there is some value in it. I don't accept made. I think there is some value in it. I don't accept that made. I think there is some value in it. I don't accept that the it. I don't accept that the interjections it. I don't accept that the interjections come it. I don't accept that the interjections come from it. I don't accept that the interjections come from one it. I don't accept that the interjections come from one corner interjections come from one corner only. interjections come from one corner only. I interjections come from one corner only. I will interjections come from one corner only. I will attempt interjections come from one corner only. I will attempt to interjections come from one corner only. I will attempt to keep interjections come from one corner only. I will attempt to keep more only. I will attempt to keep more silence. only. I will attempt to keep more silence. But only. I will attempt to keep more silence. But points only. I will attempt to keep more silence. But points of only. I will attempt to keep more silence. But points of order only. I will attempt to keep more silence. But points of order should silence. But points of order should be, silence. But points of order should be, in silence. But points of order should be, in fact, silence. But points of order should be, in fact, must silence. But points of order should be, in fact, must be silence. But points of order should be, in fact, must be heard silence. But points of order should be, in fact, must be heard in be, in fact, must be heard in silence. be, in fact, must be heard in silence. We be, in fact, must be heard in silence. We move be, in fact, must be heard in silence. We move now, be, in fact, must be heard in silence. We move now, finally, be, in fact, must be heard in silence. We move now, finally, to silence. We move now, finally, to question silence. We move now, finally, to question No. silence. We move now, finally, to question No. 9. silence. We move now, finally, to question No. 9. Chris silence. We move now, finally, to question No. 9. Chris Hipkins. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: Minister of Education: Is Minister of Education: Is she Minister of Education: Is she satisfied Minister of Education: Is she satisfied that Minister of Education: Is she satisfied that schools Is she satisfied that schools are Is she satisfied that schools are receiving Is she satisfied that schools are receiving adequate Is she satisfied that schools are receiving adequate funding are receiving adequate funding to are receiving adequate funding to fully are receiving adequate funding to fully deliver are receiving adequate funding to fully deliver the are receiving adequate funding to fully deliver the curriculum to fully deliver the curriculum and to fully deliver the curriculum and offer to fully deliver the curriculum and offer New to fully deliver the curriculum and offer New Zealand to fully deliver the curriculum and offer New Zealand children and offer New Zealand children the and offer New Zealand children the free and offer New Zealand children the free education the free education that the free education that the the free education that the Education the free education that the Education Act the free education that the Education Act 1989 that the Education Act 1989 promises? The The Honourable The Honourable Hekia The Honourable Hekia Parata. The Honourable Hekia Parata. Tina The Honourable Hekia Parata. Tina quay. The Honourable Hekia Parata. Tina quay. I The Honourable Hekia Parata. Tina quay. I am The Honourable Hekia Parata. Tina quay. I am satisfied The Honourable Hekia Parata. Tina quay. I am satisfied that The Honourable Hekia Parata. Tina quay. I am satisfied that we The Honourable Hekia Parata. Tina quay. I am satisfied that we are quay. I am satisfied that we are providing quay. I am satisfied that we are providing more quay. I am satisfied that we are providing more funding quay. I am satisfied that we are providing more funding for quay. I am satisfied that we are providing more funding for education providing more funding for education than providing more funding for education than ever providing more funding for education than ever before. providing more funding for education than ever before. Under providing more funding for education than ever before. Under this than ever before. Under this Government than ever before. Under this Government we than ever before. Under this Government we have than ever before. Under this Government we have increased than ever before. Under this Government we have increased both Government we have increased both education Government we have increased both education by Government we have increased both education by 35% Government we have increased both education by 35% to Government we have increased both education by 35% to over Government we have increased both education by 35% to over $11 education by 35% to over $11 billion, education by 35% to over $11 billion, including education by 35% to over $11 billion, including more education by 35% to over $11 billion, including more than education by 35% to over $11 billion, including more than $1.35 billion, including more than $1.35 billion billion, including more than $1.35 billion for billion, including more than $1.35 billion for schools' billion, including more than $1.35 billion for schools' operational billion for schools' operational grants. billion for schools' operational grants. Whether billion for schools' operational grants. Whether this billion for schools' operational grants. Whether this funding billion for schools' operational grants. Whether this funding is billion for schools' operational grants. Whether this funding is used grants. Whether this funding is used effectively grants. Whether this funding is used effectively to grants. Whether this funding is used effectively to ensure grants. Whether this funding is used effectively to ensure all grants. Whether this funding is used effectively to ensure all children effectively to ensure all children can effectively to ensure all children can progress effectively to ensure all children can progress - effectively to ensure all children can progress - excuse effectively to ensure all children can progress - excuse me, effectively to ensure all children can progress - excuse me, Mr effectively to ensure all children can progress - excuse me, Mr Speaker can progress - excuse me, Mr Speaker - can progress - excuse me, Mr Speaker - in can progress - excuse me, Mr Speaker - in their can progress - excuse me, Mr Speaker - in their learning can progress - excuse me, Mr Speaker - in their learning along can progress - excuse me, Mr Speaker - in their learning along the - in their learning along the curriculum - in their learning along the curriculum is - in their learning along the curriculum is one - in their learning along the curriculum is one of - in their learning along the curriculum is one of the - in their learning along the curriculum is one of the key curriculum is one of the key questions curriculum is one of the key questions of curriculum is one of the key questions of the curriculum is one of the key questions of the funding curriculum is one of the key questions of the funding review. questions of the funding review. Supplementary questions of the funding review. Supplementary question, questions of the funding review. Supplementary question, Chris Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Why Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Why did Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Why did she Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Why did she claim Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Why did she claim that Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Why did she claim that her Hipkins. Why did she claim that her modelling Hipkins. Why did she claim that her modelling "suggests Hipkins. Why did she claim that her modelling "suggests that Hipkins. Why did she claim that her modelling "suggests that more Hipkins. Why did she claim that her modelling "suggests that more than modelling "suggests that more than two-thirds modelling "suggests that more than two-thirds of modelling "suggests that more than two-thirds of schools modelling "suggests that more than two-thirds of schools will modelling "suggests that more than two-thirds of schools will receive two-thirds of schools will receive increases two-thirds of schools will receive increases that two-thirds of schools will receive increases that are two-thirds of schools will receive increases that are greater two-thirds of schools will receive increases that are greater than two-thirds of schools will receive increases that are greater than the increases that are greater than the rate increases that are greater than the rate of increases that are greater than the rate of inflation increases that are greater than the rate of inflation next increases that are greater than the rate of inflation next year" increases that are greater than the rate of inflation next year" when rate of inflation next year" when the rate of inflation next year" when the actual rate of inflation next year" when the actual numbers rate of inflation next year" when the actual numbers show rate of inflation next year" when the actual numbers show that rate of inflation next year" when the actual numbers show that just the actual numbers show that just 12% the actual numbers show that just 12% are the actual numbers show that just 12% are set the actual numbers show that just 12% are set to the actual numbers show that just 12% are set to receive the actual numbers show that just 12% are set to receive an the actual numbers show that just 12% are set to receive an increase 12% are set to receive an increase greater 12% are set to receive an increase greater than 12% are set to receive an increase greater than the 12% are set to receive an increase greater than the rate 12% are set to receive an increase greater than the rate of 12% are set to receive an increase greater than the rate of inflation greater than the rate of inflation and greater than the rate of inflation and the greater than the rate of inflation and the rest greater than the rate of inflation and the rest are greater than the rate of inflation and the rest are set greater than the rate of inflation and the rest are set to greater than the rate of inflation and the rest are set to be greater than the rate of inflation and the rest are set to be worse and the rest are set to be worse off? and the rest are set to be worse off? The and the rest are set to be worse off? The Honourable and the rest are set to be worse off? The Honourable Hekia and the rest are set to be worse off? The Honourable Hekia Parata. off? The Honourable Hekia Parata. I'm off? The Honourable Hekia Parata. I'm not off? The Honourable Hekia Parata. I'm not sure off? The Honourable Hekia Parata. I'm not sure where off? The Honourable Hekia Parata. I'm not sure where the off? The Honourable Hekia Parata. I'm not sure where the member off? The Honourable Hekia Parata. I'm not sure where the member is I'm not sure where the member is asserting I'm not sure where the member is asserting I I'm not sure where the member is asserting I make I'm not sure where the member is asserting I make that I'm not sure where the member is asserting I make that claixt I'm not sure where the member is asserting I make that claixt what I'm not sure where the member is asserting I make that claixt what I asserting I make that claixt what I have asserting I make that claixt what I have said asserting I make that claixt what I have said was asserting I make that claixt what I have said was that asserting I make that claixt what I have said was that over asserting I make that claixt what I have said was that over -- asserting I make that claixt what I have said was that over -- claim. have said was that over -- claim. What have said was that over -- claim. What I have said was that over -- claim. What I have have said was that over -- claim. What I have said have said was that over -- claim. What I have said was have said was that over -- claim. What I have said was that have said was that over -- claim. What I have said was that over have said was that over -- claim. What I have said was that over 96% What I have said was that over 96% of What I have said was that over 96% of schools What I have said was that over 96% of schools would What I have said was that over 96% of schools would receive What I have said was that over 96% of schools would receive some What I have said was that over 96% of schools would receive some of of schools would receive some of this of schools would receive some of this funding, of schools would receive some of this funding, depending of schools would receive some of this funding, depending on of schools would receive some of this funding, depending on the this funding, depending on the distribution this funding, depending on the distribution of this funding, depending on the distribution of those this funding, depending on the distribution of those young this funding, depending on the distribution of those young people distribution of those young people who distribution of those young people who come distribution of those young people who come from distribution of those young people who come from long-term who come from long-term welfare-dependent who come from long-term welfare-dependent homes. welfare-dependent homes. Supplementary welfare-dependent homes. Supplementary question. welfare-dependent homes. Supplementary question. Did welfare-dependent homes. Supplementary question. Did she welfare-dependent homes. Supplementary question. Did she say Supplementary question. Did she say in Supplementary question. Did she say in her Supplementary question. Did she say in her press Supplementary question. Did she say in her press statement Supplementary question. Did she say in her press statement on Supplementary question. Did she say in her press statement on 27 Supplementary question. Did she say in her press statement on 27 May in her press statement on 27 May "The in her press statement on 27 May "The same in her press statement on 27 May "The same modelling in her press statement on 27 May "The same modelling suggests in her press statement on 27 May "The same modelling suggests that "The same modelling suggests that more "The same modelling suggests that more than "The same modelling suggests that more than two-thirds "The same modelling suggests that more than two-thirds of "The same modelling suggests that more than two-thirds of schools "The same modelling suggests that more than two-thirds of schools will more than two-thirds of schools will receive more than two-thirds of schools will receive increases more than two-thirds of schools will receive increases that more than two-thirds of schools will receive increases that are more than two-thirds of schools will receive increases that are greater receive increases that are greater than receive increases that are greater than the receive increases that are greater than the rate receive increases that are greater than the rate of receive increases that are greater than the rate of inflation"? receive increases that are greater than the rate of inflation"? If receive increases that are greater than the rate of inflation"? If so, than the rate of inflation"? If so, why than the rate of inflation"? If so, why did than the rate of inflation"? If so, why did she than the rate of inflation"? If so, why did she make than the rate of inflation"? If so, why did she make that than the rate of inflation"? If so, why did she make that claim than the rate of inflation"? If so, why did she make that claim when than the rate of inflation"? If so, why did she make that claim when the why did she make that claim when the actual why did she make that claim when the actual data why did she make that claim when the actual data shows why did she make that claim when the actual data shows that why did she make that claim when the actual data shows that fewer why did she make that claim when the actual data shows that fewer than actual data shows that fewer than 12% actual data shows that fewer than 12% of actual data shows that fewer than 12% of schools actual data shows that fewer than 12% of schools will actual data shows that fewer than 12% of schools will receive actual data shows that fewer than 12% of schools will receive an 12% of schools will receive an increase 12% of schools will receive an increase greater 12% of schools will receive an increase greater than 12% of schools will receive an increase greater than the 12% of schools will receive an increase greater than the rate 12% of schools will receive an increase greater than the rate of increase greater than the rate of inflation? increase greater than the rate of inflation? It increase greater than the rate of inflation? It would increase greater than the rate of inflation? It would appear increase greater than the rate of inflation? It would appear I increase greater than the rate of inflation? It would appear I did inflation? It would appear I did make inflation? It would appear I did make that inflation? It would appear I did make that statement, inflation? It would appear I did make that statement, since inflation? It would appear I did make that statement, since the make that statement, since the member make that statement, since the member is make that statement, since the member is quoting make that statement, since the member is quoting from make that statement, since the member is quoting from a make that statement, since the member is quoting from a press member is quoting from a press release. member is quoting from a press release. I member is quoting from a press release. I think member is quoting from a press release. I think I member is quoting from a press release. I think I also member is quoting from a press release. I think I also said member is quoting from a press release. I think I also said at member is quoting from a press release. I think I also said at the release. I think I also said at the time release. I think I also said at the time that release. I think I also said at the time that the release. I think I also said at the time that the actual release. I think I also said at the time that the actual impact release. I think I also said at the time that the actual impact would time that the actual impact would rely time that the actual impact would rely on time that the actual impact would rely on the time that the actual impact would rely on the July time that the actual impact would rely on the July return time that the actual impact would rely on the July return of time that the actual impact would rely on the July return of rolls, rely on the July return of rolls, and rely on the July return of rolls, and then rely on the July return of rolls, and then we rely on the July return of rolls, and then we would rely on the July return of rolls, and then we would know rely on the July return of rolls, and then we would know for rely on the July return of rolls, and then we would know for certain and then we would know for certain what and then we would know for certain what the and then we would know for certain what the distribution and then we would know for certain what the distribution would and then we would know for certain what the distribution would be. what the distribution would be. Supplementary what the distribution would be. Supplementary question, what the distribution would be. Supplementary question, Chris Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. So, Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. So, isn't Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. So, isn't it Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. So, isn't it true Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. So, isn't it true that Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. So, isn't it true that the Hipkins. So, isn't it true that the actual Hipkins. So, isn't it true that the actual numbers, Hipkins. So, isn't it true that the actual numbers, after Hipkins. So, isn't it true that the actual numbers, after adjusting Hipkins. So, isn't it true that the actual numbers, after adjusting for actual numbers, after adjusting for inflation, actual numbers, after adjusting for inflation, show actual numbers, after adjusting for inflation, show that actual numbers, after adjusting for inflation, show that 1,894 actual numbers, after adjusting for inflation, show that 1,894 schools inflation, show that 1,894 schools will inflation, show that 1,894 schools will be inflation, show that 1,894 schools will be worse inflation, show that 1,894 schools will be worse off inflation, show that 1,894 schools will be worse off and inflation, show that 1,894 schools will be worse off and lose inflation, show that 1,894 schools will be worse off and lose funding will be worse off and lose funding in will be worse off and lose funding in 2017, will be worse off and lose funding in 2017, while will be worse off and lose funding in 2017, while only will be worse off and lose funding in 2017, while only 299 will be worse off and lose funding in 2017, while only 299 schools will be worse off and lose funding in 2017, while only 299 schools will in 2017, while only 299 schools will be in 2017, while only 299 schools will be better in 2017, while only 299 schools will be better off? in 2017, while only 299 schools will be better off? The in 2017, while only 299 schools will be better off? The Hon in 2017, while only 299 schools will be better off? The Hon Hekia in 2017, while only 299 schools will be better off? The Hon Hekia Parata. be better off? The Hon Hekia Parata. No. be better off? The Hon Hekia Parata. No. It be better off? The Hon Hekia Parata. No. It reflects be better off? The Hon Hekia Parata. No. It reflects the be better off? The Hon Hekia Parata. No. It reflects the member's No. It reflects the member's understanding No. It reflects the member's understanding of No. It reflects the member's understanding of how No. It reflects the member's understanding of how we No. It reflects the member's understanding of how we fund No. It reflects the member's understanding of how we fund into understanding of how we fund into schools. understanding of how we fund into schools. So, understanding of how we fund into schools. So, in understanding of how we fund into schools. So, in fact, understanding of how we fund into schools. So, in fact, schools, understanding of how we fund into schools. So, in fact, schools, and schools. So, in fact, schools, and that schools. So, in fact, schools, and that member schools. So, in fact, schools, and that member also, schools. So, in fact, schools, and that member also, apparently. schools. So, in fact, schools, and that member also, apparently. How schools. So, in fact, schools, and that member also, apparently. How we that member also, apparently. How we fund that member also, apparently. How we fund into that member also, apparently. How we fund into schools, that member also, apparently. How we fund into schools, which that member also, apparently. How we fund into schools, which is that member also, apparently. How we fund into schools, which is 1.35 fund into schools, which is 1.35 billion fund into schools, which is 1.35 billion dollars, fund into schools, which is 1.35 billion dollars, and fund into schools, which is 1.35 billion dollars, and the fund into schools, which is 1.35 billion dollars, and the $12.3 billion dollars, and the $12.3 million billion dollars, and the $12.3 million that billion dollars, and the $12.3 million that is billion dollars, and the $12.3 million that is being billion dollars, and the $12.3 million that is being distributed billion dollars, and the $12.3 million that is being distributed in million that is being distributed in addition, million that is being distributed in addition, amounts million that is being distributed in addition, amounts to million that is being distributed in addition, amounts to the million that is being distributed in addition, amounts to the 1%. million that is being distributed in addition, amounts to the 1%. But million that is being distributed in addition, amounts to the 1%. But the addition, amounts to the 1%. But the overall addition, amounts to the 1%. But the overall total addition, amounts to the 1%. But the overall total is addition, amounts to the 1%. But the overall total is 1.35 addition, amounts to the 1%. But the overall total is 1.35 billion overall total is 1.35 billion dollars overall total is 1.35 billion dollars being overall total is 1.35 billion dollars being distributed overall total is 1.35 billion dollars being distributed across dollars being distributed across schools. dollars being distributed across schools. And dollars being distributed across schools. And it's dollars being distributed across schools. And it's driven dollars being distributed across schools. And it's driven by dollars being distributed across schools. And it's driven by the dollars being distributed across schools. And it's driven by the size schools. And it's driven by the size of schools. And it's driven by the size of the schools. And it's driven by the size of the roll schools. And it's driven by the size of the roll and schools. And it's driven by the size of the roll and the schools. And it's driven by the size of the roll and the 23 schools. And it's driven by the size of the roll and the 23 elements schools. And it's driven by the size of the roll and the 23 elements that of the roll and the 23 elements that are of the roll and the 23 elements that are in of the roll and the 23 elements that are in the of the roll and the 23 elements that are in the operational of the roll and the 23 elements that are in the operational grant. of the roll and the 23 elements that are in the operational grant. And are in the operational grant. And that are in the operational grant. And that is are in the operational grant. And that is why are in the operational grant. And that is why it are in the operational grant. And that is why it differs are in the operational grant. And that is why it differs each are in the operational grant. And that is why it differs each year that is why it differs each year between that is why it differs each year between schools. that is why it differs each year between schools. Supplementary between schools. Supplementary question, between schools. Supplementary question, Mr between schools. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. between schools. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Does question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Does an question, Chris Hipkins. Does an analysis question, Chris Hipkins. Does an analysis school question, Chris Hipkins. Does an analysis school by question, Chris Hipkins. Does an analysis school by school question, Chris Hipkins. Does an analysis school by school using question, Chris Hipkins. Does an analysis school by school using the analysis school by school using the same analysis school by school using the same formula analysis school by school using the same formula that analysis school by school using the same formula that she analysis school by school using the same formula that she has analysis school by school using the same formula that she has used analysis school by school using the same formula that she has used in same formula that she has used in her same formula that she has used in her post-budget same formula that she has used in her post-budget publicity same formula that she has used in her post-budget publicity in same formula that she has used in her post-budget publicity in every her post-budget publicity in every other her post-budget publicity in every other year her post-budget publicity in every other year except her post-budget publicity in every other year except for her post-budget publicity in every other year except for this her post-budget publicity in every other year except for this year her post-budget publicity in every other year except for this year show other year except for this year show that other year except for this year show that nearly other year except for this year show that nearly 2,000 other year except for this year show that nearly 2,000 schools other year except for this year show that nearly 2,000 schools end other year except for this year show that nearly 2,000 schools end up that nearly 2,000 schools end up worse that nearly 2,000 schools end up worse off that nearly 2,000 schools end up worse off while that nearly 2,000 schools end up worse off while only that nearly 2,000 schools end up worse off while only about that nearly 2,000 schools end up worse off while only about 300 worse off while only about 300 schools worse off while only about 300 schools end worse off while only about 300 schools end up worse off while only about 300 schools end up better worse off while only about 300 schools end up better off? worse off while only about 300 schools end up better off? Mr schools end up better off? Mr Speaker, schools end up better off? Mr Speaker, no. schools end up better off? Mr Speaker, no. Supplementary schools end up better off? Mr Speaker, no. Supplementary question, Speaker, no. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker, no. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Speaker, no. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary Speaker, no. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How can Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How can she Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How can she claim Chris Hipkins. How can she claim that Chris Hipkins. How can she claim that the Chris Hipkins. How can she claim that the education Chris Hipkins. How can she claim that the education sector Chris Hipkins. How can she claim that the education sector is Chris Hipkins. How can she claim that the education sector is being that the education sector is being adequately that the education sector is being adequately funded that the education sector is being adequately funded when that the education sector is being adequately funded when a that the education sector is being adequately funded when a recent adequately funded when a recent report adequately funded when a recent report from adequately funded when a recent report from the adequately funded when a recent report from the OECD adequately funded when a recent report from the OECD shows adequately funded when a recent report from the OECD shows that adequately funded when a recent report from the OECD shows that New report from the OECD shows that New Zealand report from the OECD shows that New Zealand lags report from the OECD shows that New Zealand lags behind report from the OECD shows that New Zealand lags behind the report from the OECD shows that New Zealand lags behind the OECD report from the OECD shows that New Zealand lags behind the OECD for Zealand lags behind the OECD for per-student Zealand lags behind the OECD for per-student funding Zealand lags behind the OECD for per-student funding on Zealand lags behind the OECD for per-student funding on average, Zealand lags behind the OECD for per-student funding on average, and per-student funding on average, and why per-student funding on average, and why won't per-student funding on average, and why won't she per-student funding on average, and why won't she just per-student funding on average, and why won't she just admit per-student funding on average, and why won't she just admit that per-student funding on average, and why won't she just admit that the why won't she just admit that the National why won't she just admit that the National Party's why won't she just admit that the National Party's strategy why won't she just admit that the National Party's strategy for National Party's strategy for funding National Party's strategy for funding schools National Party's strategy for funding schools is National Party's strategy for funding schools is to National Party's strategy for funding schools is to push National Party's strategy for funding schools is to push more National Party's strategy for funding schools is to push more and funding schools is to push more and more funding schools is to push more and more of funding schools is to push more and more of the funding schools is to push more and more of the cost funding schools is to push more and more of the cost on funding schools is to push more and more of the cost on to funding schools is to push more and more of the cost on to parents? more of the cost on to parents? Either more of the cost on to parents? Either of more of the cost on to parents? Either of those more of the cost on to parents? Either of those supplementary Either of those supplementary questions, Either of those supplementary questions, the Either of those supplementary questions, the Hon Either of those supplementary questions, the Hon Hekia Either of those supplementary questions, the Hon Hekia Parata. Either of those supplementary questions, the Hon Hekia Parata. I'm questions, the Hon Hekia Parata. I'm not questions, the Hon Hekia Parata. I'm not claiming, questions, the Hon Hekia Parata. I'm not claiming, I'm questions, the Hon Hekia Parata. I'm not claiming, I'm basing questions, the Hon Hekia Parata. I'm not claiming, I'm basing it questions, the Hon Hekia Parata. I'm not claiming, I'm basing it on not claiming, I'm basing it on evidence. not claiming, I'm basing it on evidence. And not claiming, I'm basing it on evidence. And what not claiming, I'm basing it on evidence. And what we not claiming, I'm basing it on evidence. And what we know not claiming, I'm basing it on evidence. And what we know is, not claiming, I'm basing it on evidence. And what we know is, first evidence. And what we know is, first of evidence. And what we know is, first of all, evidence. And what we know is, first of all, the evidence. And what we know is, first of all, the methodology evidence. And what we know is, first of all, the methodology that evidence. And what we know is, first of all, the methodology that the of all, the methodology that the OECD of all, the methodology that the OECD used of all, the methodology that the OECD used for of all, the methodology that the OECD used for that of all, the methodology that the OECD used for that report of all, the methodology that the OECD used for that report does of all, the methodology that the OECD used for that report does not OECD used for that report does not make OECD used for that report does not make consistent OECD used for that report does not make consistent comparisons. OECD used for that report does not make consistent comparisons. It OECD used for that report does not make consistent comparisons. It does make consistent comparisons. It does not make consistent comparisons. It does not use make consistent comparisons. It does not use the make consistent comparisons. It does not use the child make consistent comparisons. It does not use the child care make consistent comparisons. It does not use the child care childcare not use the child care childcare subsidy not use the child care childcare subsidy in not use the child care childcare subsidy in New not use the child care childcare subsidy in New Zealand, not use the child care childcare subsidy in New Zealand, which not use the child care childcare subsidy in New Zealand, which is subsidy in New Zealand, which is part subsidy in New Zealand, which is part of subsidy in New Zealand, which is part of the subsidy in New Zealand, which is part of the support subsidy in New Zealand, which is part of the support we subsidy in New Zealand, which is part of the support we provide subsidy in New Zealand, which is part of the support we provide for part of the support we provide for families. part of the support we provide for families. Whereas part of the support we provide for families. Whereas it part of the support we provide for families. Whereas it does part of the support we provide for families. Whereas it does for part of the support we provide for families. Whereas it does for every families. Whereas it does for every other families. Whereas it does for every other country. families. Whereas it does for every other country. Secondly, families. Whereas it does for every other country. Secondly, its other country. Secondly, its comparison other country. Secondly, its comparison is other country. Secondly, its comparison is based other country. Secondly, its comparison is based on other country. Secondly, its comparison is based on two other country. Secondly, its comparison is based on two children comparison is based on two children in comparison is based on two children in every comparison is based on two children in every family comparison is based on two children in every family doing comparison is based on two children in every family doing 40 comparison is based on two children in every family doing 40 hours comparison is based on two children in every family doing 40 hours per in every family doing 40 hours per week. in every family doing 40 hours per week. Whereas in every family doing 40 hours per week. Whereas in in every family doing 40 hours per week. Whereas in New in every family doing 40 hours per week. Whereas in New Zealand, in every family doing 40 hours per week. Whereas in New Zealand, it in every family doing 40 hours per week. Whereas in New Zealand, it is week. Whereas in New Zealand, it is based week. Whereas in New Zealand, it is based on week. Whereas in New Zealand, it is based on individual week. Whereas in New Zealand, it is based on individual children, based on individual children, regardless based on individual children, regardless of based on individual children, regardless of how based on individual children, regardless of how many based on individual children, regardless of how many a based on individual children, regardless of how many a family based on individual children, regardless of how many a family has, regardless of how many a family has, and regardless of how many a family has, and it's regardless of how many a family has, and it's based regardless of how many a family has, and it's based on regardless of how many a family has, and it's based on 20 regardless of how many a family has, and it's based on 20 hours. regardless of how many a family has, and it's based on 20 hours. So, regardless of how many a family has, and it's based on 20 hours. So, the and it's based on 20 hours. So, the comparison and it's based on 20 hours. So, the comparison does and it's based on 20 hours. So, the comparison does not and it's based on 20 hours. So, the comparison does not stand and it's based on 20 hours. So, the comparison does not stand up and it's based on 20 hours. So, the comparison does not stand up under comparison does not stand up under scrutiny. comparison does not stand up under scrutiny. Sorry, comparison does not stand up under scrutiny. Sorry, what comparison does not stand up under scrutiny. Sorry, what was comparison does not stand up under scrutiny. Sorry, what was the comparison does not stand up under scrutiny. Sorry, what was the other scrutiny. Sorry, what was the other question scrutiny. Sorry, what was the other question the scrutiny. Sorry, what was the other question the member scrutiny. Sorry, what was the other question the member asked? scrutiny. Sorry, what was the other question the member asked? I'm scrutiny. Sorry, what was the other question the member asked? I'm happy question the member asked? I'm happy to question the member asked? I'm happy to answer question the member asked? I'm happy to answer that question the member asked? I'm happy to answer that too. question the member asked? I'm happy to answer that too. For question the member asked? I'm happy to answer that too. For every question the member asked? I'm happy to answer that too. For every $1.80 to answer that too. For every $1.80 that to answer that too. For every $1.80 that parents to answer that too. For every $1.80 that parents provide to answer that too. For every $1.80 that parents provide to to answer that too. For every $1.80 that parents provide to support that parents provide to support fundraising that parents provide to support fundraising for that parents provide to support fundraising for their that parents provide to support fundraising for their school, fundraising for their school, taxpayers fundraising for their school, taxpayers provide fundraising for their school, taxpayers provide $100. fundraising for their school, taxpayers provide $100. For fundraising for their school, taxpayers provide $100. For every fundraising for their school, taxpayers provide $100. For every $1 taxpayers provide $100. For every $1 that taxpayers provide $100. For every $1 that parents taxpayers provide $100. For every $1 that parents pay taxpayers provide $100. For every $1 that parents pay for taxpayers provide $100. For every $1 that parents pay for ECE, taxpayers provide $100. For every $1 that parents pay for ECE, the that parents pay for ECE, the Government that parents pay for ECE, the Government pays that parents pay for ECE, the Government pays $4.80. that parents pay for ECE, the Government pays $4.80. So, that parents pay for ECE, the Government pays $4.80. So, I that parents pay for ECE, the Government pays $4.80. So, I think Government pays $4.80. So, I think it Government pays $4.80. So, I think it demonstrates Government pays $4.80. So, I think it demonstrates that Government pays $4.80. So, I think it demonstrates that the Government pays $4.80. So, I think it demonstrates that the Government, it demonstrates that the Government, this it demonstrates that the Government, this National it demonstrates that the Government, this National Government, it demonstrates that the Government, this National Government, parents this National Government, parents are this National Government, parents are taxpayers this National Government, parents are taxpayers and this National Government, parents are taxpayers and that's this National Government, parents are taxpayers and that's the this National Government, parents are taxpayers and that's the very are taxpayers and that's the very point are taxpayers and that's the very point that are taxpayers and that's the very point that I'm are taxpayers and that's the very point that I'm making. are taxpayers and that's the very point that I'm making. Well, are taxpayers and that's the very point that I'm making. Well, Mr point that I'm making. Well, Mr Speaker, point that I'm making. Well, Mr Speaker, the point that I'm making. Well, Mr Speaker, the member point that I'm making. Well, Mr Speaker, the member is point that I'm making. Well, Mr Speaker, the member is making Speaker, the member is making assertions Speaker, the member is making assertions that Speaker, the member is making assertions that aren't Speaker, the member is making assertions that aren't supported Speaker, the member is making assertions that aren't supported by assertions that aren't supported by fact. assertions that aren't supported by fact. Question assertions that aren't supported by fact. Question No. assertions that aren't supported by fact. Question No. 10. assertions that aren't supported by fact. Question No. 10. Paul fact. Question No. 10. Paul Foster-Bell. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for the My question is to the Minister for the Community My question is to the Minister for the Community and My question is to the Minister for the Community and Voluntary My question is to the Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector: the Community and Voluntary Sector: How the Community and Voluntary Sector: How is the Community and Voluntary Sector: How is the the Community and Voluntary Sector: How is the Government the Community and Voluntary Sector: How is the Government working How is the Government working to How is the Government working to enable How is the Government working to enable growth to enable growth in to enable growth in the to enable growth in the social to enable growth in the social enterprise to enable growth in the social enterprise sector? The The Hon The Hon Jo The Hon Jo Goodhew. The Hon Jo Goodhew. Mr The Hon Jo Goodhew. Mr Speaker, The Hon Jo Goodhew. Mr Speaker, on The Hon Jo Goodhew. Mr Speaker, on Tuesday The Hon Jo Goodhew. Mr Speaker, on Tuesday evening, The Hon Jo Goodhew. Mr Speaker, on Tuesday evening, I The Hon Jo Goodhew. Mr Speaker, on Tuesday evening, I officially Tuesday evening, I officially launched Tuesday evening, I officially launched the Tuesday evening, I officially launched the new Tuesday evening, I officially launched the new report Tuesday evening, I officially launched the new report Social Tuesday evening, I officially launched the new report Social I launched the new report Social I Enterprise launched the new report Social I Enterprise and launched the new report Social I Enterprise and Social launched the new report Social I Enterprise and Social Finance, launched the new report Social I Enterprise and Social Finance, A Enterprise and Social Finance, A Path Enterprise and Social Finance, A Path to Enterprise and Social Finance, A Path to Growth. Enterprise and Social Finance, A Path to Growth. Social Enterprise and Social Finance, A Path to Growth. Social enterprises Path to Growth. Social enterprises are Path to Growth. Social enterprises are organisation Path to Growth. Social enterprises are organisation that Path to Growth. Social enterprises are organisation that is Path to Growth. Social enterprises are organisation that is trade Path to Growth. Social enterprises are organisation that is trade as Path to Growth. Social enterprises are organisation that is trade as a are organisation that is trade as a business are organisation that is trade as a business to are organisation that is trade as a business to support are organisation that is trade as a business to support their are organisation that is trade as a business to support their social are organisation that is trade as a business to support their social or business to support their social or environmental business to support their social or environmental mission. business to support their social or environmental mission. The business to support their social or environmental mission. The new environmental mission. The new report environmental mission. The new report commissioned environmental mission. The new report commissioned by environmental mission. The new report commissioned by the report commissioned by the Government report commissioned by the Government and report commissioned by the Government and authored report commissioned by the Government and authored by report commissioned by the Government and authored by a Government and authored by a strategic Government and authored by a strategic group Government and authored by a strategic group proposes Government and authored by a strategic group proposes a Government and authored by a strategic group proposes a range Government and authored by a strategic group proposes a range of strategic group proposes a range of actions strategic group proposes a range of actions to strategic group proposes a range of actions to enable strategic group proposes a range of actions to enable social strategic group proposes a range of actions to enable social enterprises actions to enable social enterprises to actions to enable social enterprises to grow actions to enable social enterprises to grow and actions to enable social enterprises to grow and unlock actions to enable social enterprises to grow and unlock new actions to enable social enterprises to grow and unlock new sources actions to enable social enterprises to grow and unlock new sources of to grow and unlock new sources of capital. to grow and unlock new sources of capital. It to grow and unlock new sources of capital. It is to grow and unlock new sources of capital. It is a to grow and unlock new sources of capital. It is a sector to grow and unlock new sources of capital. It is a sector which to grow and unlock new sources of capital. It is a sector which has capital. It is a sector which has existed capital. It is a sector which has existed for capital. It is a sector which has existed for decades, capital. It is a sector which has existed for decades, but capital. It is a sector which has existed for decades, but which capital. It is a sector which has existed for decades, but which is existed for decades, but which is now existed for decades, but which is now growing existed for decades, but which is now growing into existed for decades, but which is now growing into a existed for decades, but which is now growing into a significant now growing into a significant economic, now growing into a significant economic, social now growing into a significant economic, social and now growing into a significant economic, social and environmental economic, social and environmental force. economic, social and environmental force. It economic, social and environmental force. It outlines economic, social and environmental force. It outlines a economic, social and environmental force. It outlines a range economic, social and environmental force. It outlines a range of force. It outlines a range of actions force. It outlines a range of actions for force. It outlines a range of actions for the force. It outlines a range of actions for the Government force. It outlines a range of actions for the Government and force. It outlines a range of actions for the Government and other actions for the Government and other sectors actions for the Government and other sectors to actions for the Government and other sectors to consider actions for the Government and other sectors to consider in actions for the Government and other sectors to consider in order actions for the Government and other sectors to consider in order to sectors to consider in order to build sectors to consider in order to build the sectors to consider in order to build the capability sectors to consider in order to build the capability and build the capability and contribution build the capability and contribution of build the capability and contribution of social build the capability and contribution of social enterprise. contribution of social enterprise. Supplementary. contribution of social enterprise. Supplementary. Supplementary Supplementary. Supplementary question, Supplementary. Supplementary question, Paul Supplementary. Supplementary question, Paul Foster-Bell. question, Paul Foster-Bell. Supplementary question, Paul Foster-Bell. Supplementary to question, Paul Foster-Bell. Supplementary to the question, Paul Foster-Bell. Supplementary to the Minister: question, Paul Foster-Bell. Supplementary to the Minister: How Supplementary to the Minister: How is Supplementary to the Minister: How is the Supplementary to the Minister: How is the Government Supplementary to the Minister: How is the Government working Supplementary to the Minister: How is the Government working to Supplementary to the Minister: How is the Government working to enable is the Government working to enable growth is the Government working to enable growth in is the Government working to enable growth in the is the Government working to enable growth in the social is the Government working to enable growth in the social enterprise growth in the social enterprise sector? growth in the social enterprise sector? In growth in the social enterprise sector? In particular, growth in the social enterprise sector? In particular, in sector? In particular, in Wellington? sector? In particular, in Wellington? The sector? In particular, in Wellington? The Hon sector? In particular, in Wellington? The Hon Jo sector? In particular, in Wellington? The Hon Jo Goodhew. sector? In particular, in Wellington? The Hon Jo Goodhew. This Wellington? The Hon Jo Goodhew. This report Wellington? The Hon Jo Goodhew. This report is Wellington? The Hon Jo Goodhew. This report is an Wellington? The Hon Jo Goodhew. This report is an important Wellington? The Hon Jo Goodhew. This report is an important step Wellington? The Hon Jo Goodhew. This report is an important step spelling report is an important step spelling out report is an important step spelling out the report is an important step spelling out the potential report is an important step spelling out the potential role report is an important step spelling out the potential role of report is an important step spelling out the potential role of social out the potential role of social enterprises out the potential role of social enterprises and out the potential role of social enterprises and innovation, enterprises and innovation, entrepreneurship enterprises and innovation, entrepreneurship and enterprises and innovation, entrepreneurship and regional entrepreneurship and regional economic entrepreneurship and regional economic development. entrepreneurship and regional economic development. Organisations economic development. Organisations such economic development. Organisations such as economic development. Organisations such as the economic development. Organisations such as the Wellington-based economic development. Organisations such as the Wellington-based Pledge such as the Wellington-based Pledge Me such as the Wellington-based Pledge Me will such as the Wellington-based Pledge Me will be such as the Wellington-based Pledge Me will be better such as the Wellington-based Pledge Me will be better able such as the Wellington-based Pledge Me will be better able to such as the Wellington-based Pledge Me will be better able to realise Me will be better able to realise their Me will be better able to realise their financial Me will be better able to realise their financial potential. Me will be better able to realise their financial potential. The Me will be better able to realise their financial potential. The 2014 their financial potential. The 2014 Government their financial potential. The 2014 Government Position their financial potential. The 2014 Government Position Statement their financial potential. The 2014 Government Position Statement on Government Position Statement on social Government Position Statement on social enterprise Government Position Statement on social enterprise outlined Government Position Statement on social enterprise outlined the social enterprise outlined the Government's social enterprise outlined the Government's commitment social enterprise outlined the Government's commitment to Government's commitment to facilitate Government's commitment to facilitate further Government's commitment to facilitate further growth Government's commitment to facilitate further growth of Government's commitment to facilitate further growth of this facilitate further growth of this sector. facilitate further growth of this sector. And facilitate further growth of this sector. And that facilitate further growth of this sector. And that commitment facilitate further growth of this sector. And that commitment has sector. And that commitment has taken sector. And that commitment has taken another sector. And that commitment has taken another step sector. And that commitment has taken another step forward sector. And that commitment has taken another step forward with sector. And that commitment has taken another step forward with the taken another step forward with the launch taken another step forward with the launch of taken another step forward with the launch of the taken another step forward with the launch of the report. taken another step forward with the launch of the report. The taken another step forward with the launch of the report. The report launch of the report. The report will launch of the report. The report will also launch of the report. The report will also provide launch of the report. The report will also provide a launch of the report. The report will also provide a useful launch of the report. The report will also provide a useful basis launch of the report. The report will also provide a useful basis for will also provide a useful basis for conversations will also provide a useful basis for conversations about will also provide a useful basis for conversations about how will also provide a useful basis for conversations about how to will also provide a useful basis for conversations about how to further conversations about how to further grow conversations about how to further grow this conversations about how to further grow this sector conversations about how to further grow this sector in conversations about how to further grow this sector in the conversations about how to further grow this sector in the lead-up conversations about how to further grow this sector in the lead-up to grow this sector in the lead-up to the grow this sector in the lead-up to the social grow this sector in the lead-up to the social enterprise grow this sector in the lead-up to the social enterprise world grow this sector in the lead-up to the social enterprise world forum the social enterprise world forum 2017 the social enterprise world forum 2017 to the social enterprise world forum 2017 to be the social enterprise world forum 2017 to be held the social enterprise world forum 2017 to be held in the social enterprise world forum 2017 to be held in Christchurch the social enterprise world forum 2017 to be held in Christchurch next 2017 to be held in Christchurch next September. 2017 to be held in Christchurch next September. I 2017 to be held in Christchurch next September. I want 2017 to be held in Christchurch next September. I want to 2017 to be held in Christchurch next September. I want to alert 2017 to be held in Christchurch next September. I want to alert the 2017 to be held in Christchurch next September. I want to alert the House September. I want to alert the House to September. I want to alert the House to the September. I want to alert the House to the fact September. I want to alert the House to the fact that September. I want to alert the House to the fact that this September. I want to alert the House to the fact that this is September. I want to alert the House to the fact that this is easily to the fact that this is easily found, to the fact that this is easily found, as to the fact that this is easily found, as the to the fact that this is easily found, as the member to the fact that this is easily found, as the member opposite to the fact that this is easily found, as the member opposite has found, as the member opposite has asked found, as the member opposite has asked me found, as the member opposite has asked me for found, as the member opposite has asked me for this found, as the member opposite has asked me for this report found, as the member opposite has asked me for this report to found, as the member opposite has asked me for this report to be asked me for this report to be tabled asked me for this report to be tabled - asked me for this report to be tabled - it's asked me for this report to be tabled - it's easily asked me for this report to be tabled - it's easily found asked me for this report to be tabled - it's easily found on asked me for this report to be tabled - it's easily found on the tabled - it's easily found on the Dept tabled - it's easily found on the Dept of tabled - it's easily found on the Dept of Internal tabled - it's easily found on the Dept of Internal Affairs tabled - it's easily found on the Dept of Internal Affairs website. tabled - it's easily found on the Dept of Internal Affairs website. If Dept of Internal Affairs website. If the Dept of Internal Affairs website. If the member Dept of Internal Affairs website. If the member chooses Dept of Internal Affairs website. If the member chooses to Dept of Internal Affairs website. If the member chooses to look. the member chooses to look. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Question... <INTERRUPTION> Question... Order! <INTERRUPTION> Question... Order! Question <INTERRUPTION> Question... Order! Question No. <INTERRUPTION> Question... Order! Question No. 11. Question... Order! Question No. 11. Government My My question My question is My question is to My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Housing: Minister for Social Housing: What Minister for Social Housing: What action, Minister for Social Housing: What action, if Minister for Social Housing: What action, if any, Minister for Social Housing: What action, if any, will Minister for Social Housing: What action, if any, will she Minister for Social Housing: What action, if any, will she take What action, if any, will she take to What action, if any, will she take to address What action, if any, will she take to address the What action, if any, will she take to address the deeply What action, if any, will she take to address the deeply held What action, if any, will she take to address the deeply held concerns to address the deeply held concerns of to address the deeply held concerns of the to address the deeply held concerns of the UN to address the deeply held concerns of the UN Committee of the UN Committee on of the UN Committee on the of the UN Committee on the Rights of the UN Committee on the Rights of of the UN Committee on the Rights of the of the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child on the Rights of the Child in on the Rights of the Child in respect on the Rights of the Child in respect of on the Rights of the Child in respect of children's on the Rights of the Child in respect of children's rights in respect of children's rights to in respect of children's rights to an in respect of children's rights to an adequate in respect of children's rights to an adequate standard in respect of children's rights to an adequate standard of in respect of children's rights to an adequate standard of living to an adequate standard of living and to an adequate standard of living and access to an adequate standard of living and access to to an adequate standard of living and access to housing? The The Hon The Hon Paul The Hon Paul Tully. The Hon Paul Tully. Mr The Hon Paul Tully. Mr Speaker, The Hon Paul Tully. Mr Speaker, on The Hon Paul Tully. Mr Speaker, on behalf The Hon Paul Tully. Mr Speaker, on behalf of The Hon Paul Tully. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the The Hon Paul Tully. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister The Hon Paul Tully. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of The Hon Paul Tully. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Social behalf of the Minister of Social Housing, behalf of the Minister of Social Housing, the behalf of the Minister of Social Housing, the Government behalf of the Minister of Social Housing, the Government has behalf of the Minister of Social Housing, the Government has a Housing, the Government has a comprehensive Housing, the Government has a comprehensive plan Housing, the Government has a comprehensive plan to Housing, the Government has a comprehensive plan to increase Housing, the Government has a comprehensive plan to increase the comprehensive plan to increase the supply comprehensive plan to increase the supply of comprehensive plan to increase the supply of emergency comprehensive plan to increase the supply of emergency and comprehensive plan to increase the supply of emergency and social supply of emergency and social housing supply of emergency and social housing to supply of emergency and social housing to ensure supply of emergency and social housing to ensure that supply of emergency and social housing to ensure that those supply of emergency and social housing to ensure that those in supply of emergency and social housing to ensure that those in need housing to ensure that those in need - housing to ensure that those in need - including housing to ensure that those in need - including children housing to ensure that those in need - including children - housing to ensure that those in need - including children - have housing to ensure that those in need - including children - have adequate - including children - have adequate housing. - including children - have adequate housing. We - including children - have adequate housing. We are - including children - have adequate housing. We are the - including children - have adequate housing. We are the first - including children - have adequate housing. We are the first government housing. We are the first government to housing. We are the first government to directly housing. We are the first government to directly fund housing. We are the first government to directly fund emergency housing. We are the first government to directly fund emergency housing. to directly fund emergency housing. There to directly fund emergency housing. There was to directly fund emergency housing. There was $41.1 to directly fund emergency housing. There was $41.1 million to directly fund emergency housing. There was $41.1 million in to directly fund emergency housing. There was $41.1 million in Budget There was $41.1 million in Budget '16 There was $41.1 million in Budget '16 for There was $41.1 million in Budget '16 for 3,000 There was $41.1 million in Budget '16 for 3,000 new There was $41.1 million in Budget '16 for 3,000 new and There was $41.1 million in Budget '16 for 3,000 new and existing '16 for 3,000 new and existing emergency '16 for 3,000 new and existing emergency housing '16 for 3,000 new and existing emergency housing places, '16 for 3,000 new and existing emergency housing places, and '16 for 3,000 new and existing emergency housing places, and to emergency housing places, and to fund emergency housing places, and to fund a emergency housing places, and to fund a new emergency housing places, and to fund a new non-recoverable fund a new non-recoverable special-needs fund a new non-recoverable special-needs grant fund a new non-recoverable special-needs grant to fund a new non-recoverable special-needs grant to pay fund a new non-recoverable special-needs grant to pay for special-needs grant to pay for special-needs special-needs grant to pay for emergency housing. Since special-needs grant to pay for emergency housing. Since then, emergency housing. Since then, another emergency housing. Since then, another $9 emergency housing. Since then, another $9 million emergency housing. Since then, another $9 million has emergency housing. Since then, another $9 million has been another $9 million has been announced another $9 million has been announced to another $9 million has been announced to roll another $9 million has been announced to roll out another $9 million has been announced to roll out housing another $9 million has been announced to roll out housing first announced to roll out housing first and announced to roll out housing first and other announced to roll out housing first and other support announced to roll out housing first and other support for announced to roll out housing first and other support for the announced to roll out housing first and other support for the homeless. and other support for the homeless. We and other support for the homeless. We are and other support for the homeless. We are also and other support for the homeless. We are also supporting and other support for the homeless. We are also supporting both We are also supporting both community We are also supporting both community providers We are also supporting both community providers and We are also supporting both community providers and Housing We are also supporting both community providers and Housing New community providers and Housing New Zealand community providers and Housing New Zealand to community providers and Housing New Zealand to increase community providers and Housing New Zealand to increase the community providers and Housing New Zealand to increase the supply community providers and Housing New Zealand to increase the supply of Zealand to increase the supply of social Zealand to increase the supply of social housing Zealand to increase the supply of social housing with Zealand to increase the supply of social housing with more Zealand to increase the supply of social housing with more than Zealand to increase the supply of social housing with more than 2,500 social housing with more than 2,500 new social housing with more than 2,500 new places social housing with more than 2,500 new places forecast social housing with more than 2,500 new places forecast in social housing with more than 2,500 new places forecast in Auckland social housing with more than 2,500 new places forecast in Auckland over new places forecast in Auckland over the new places forecast in Auckland over the next new places forecast in Auckland over the next three new places forecast in Auckland over the next three years. new places forecast in Auckland over the next three years. Does new places forecast in Auckland over the next three years. Does she the next three years. Does she accept the next three years. Does she accept that the next three years. Does she accept that filling the next three years. Does she accept that filling all the next three years. Does she accept that filling all current accept that filling all current vacant accept that filling all current vacant state accept that filling all current vacant state houses accept that filling all current vacant state houses with accept that filling all current vacant state houses with wait-listed vacant state houses with wait-listed families vacant state houses with wait-listed families who vacant state houses with wait-listed families who have vacant state houses with wait-listed families who have children, vacant state houses with wait-listed families who have children, and families who have children, and providing families who have children, and providing them families who have children, and providing them with families who have children, and providing them with security families who have children, and providing them with security of providing them with security of tenure providing them with security of tenure so providing them with security of tenure so they providing them with security of tenure so they can providing them with security of tenure so they can get providing them with security of tenure so they can get ongoing tenure so they can get ongoing access tenure so they can get ongoing access to tenure so they can get ongoing access to long-term tenure so they can get ongoing access to long-term services tenure so they can get ongoing access to long-term services and access to long-term services and support, access to long-term services and support, is access to long-term services and support, is one access to long-term services and support, is one of access to long-term services and support, is one of the access to long-term services and support, is one of the measures access to long-term services and support, is one of the measures she support, is one of the measures she could support, is one of the measures she could implement support, is one of the measures she could implement now support, is one of the measures she could implement now to support, is one of the measures she could implement now to intensify could implement now to intensify efforts could implement now to intensify efforts to could implement now to intensify efforts to provide could implement now to intensify efforts to provide safe could implement now to intensify efforts to provide safe and could implement now to intensify efforts to provide safe and adequate efforts to provide safe and adequate housing efforts to provide safe and adequate housing to efforts to provide safe and adequate housing to all efforts to provide safe and adequate housing to all children? efforts to provide safe and adequate housing to all children? If efforts to provide safe and adequate housing to all children? If so, efforts to provide safe and adequate housing to all children? If so, will housing to all children? If so, will she housing to all children? If so, will she commit housing to all children? If so, will she commit to housing to all children? If so, will she commit to working housing to all children? If so, will she commit to working with housing to all children? If so, will she commit to working with the housing to all children? If so, will she commit to working with the Maori she commit to working with the Maori Party she commit to working with the Maori Party to she commit to working with the Maori Party to achieve she commit to working with the Maori Party to achieve this? she commit to working with the Maori Party to achieve this? On she commit to working with the Maori Party to achieve this? On behalf she commit to working with the Maori Party to achieve this? On behalf of Party to achieve this? On behalf of the Party to achieve this? On behalf of the Minister Party to achieve this? On behalf of the Minister for Party to achieve this? On behalf of the Minister for Social Party to achieve this? On behalf of the Minister for Social Housing, Party to achieve this? On behalf of the Minister for Social Housing, I'm the Minister for Social Housing, I'm always the Minister for Social Housing, I'm always willing the Minister for Social Housing, I'm always willing to the Minister for Social Housing, I'm always willing to talk the Minister for Social Housing, I'm always willing to talk with the Minister for Social Housing, I'm always willing to talk with the always willing to talk with the Maori always willing to talk with the Maori Party always willing to talk with the Maori Party about always willing to talk with the Maori Party about these always willing to talk with the Maori Party about these issues, always willing to talk with the Maori Party about these issues, and Maori Party about these issues, and always Maori Party about these issues, and always find Maori Party about these issues, and always find their Maori Party about these issues, and always find their input always find their input constructive. always find their input constructive. Housing always find their input constructive. Housing New always find their input constructive. Housing New Zealand always find their input constructive. Housing New Zealand is constructive. Housing New Zealand is working constructive. Housing New Zealand is working to constructive. Housing New Zealand is working to fill constructive. Housing New Zealand is working to fill any constructive. Housing New Zealand is working to fill any short-term working to fill any short-term vacant working to fill any short-term vacant properties working to fill any short-term vacant properties as working to fill any short-term vacant properties as fast working to fill any short-term vacant properties as fast as vacant properties as fast as possible, vacant properties as fast as possible, because vacant properties as fast as possible, because it vacant properties as fast as possible, because it is vacant properties as fast as possible, because it is a vacant properties as fast as possible, because it is a priority possible, because it is a priority to possible, because it is a priority to get possible, because it is a priority to get families possible, because it is a priority to get families in possible, because it is a priority to get families in need possible, because it is a priority to get families in need into possible, because it is a priority to get families in need into our to get families in need into our social to get families in need into our social housing. to get families in need into our social housing. For to get families in need into our social housing. For example, to get families in need into our social housing. For example, in to get families in need into our social housing. For example, in the social housing. For example, in the Gisborne social housing. For example, in the Gisborne area, social housing. For example, in the Gisborne area, Housing social housing. For example, in the Gisborne area, Housing New social housing. For example, in the Gisborne area, Housing New Zealand Gisborne area, Housing New Zealand has Gisborne area, Housing New Zealand has taken Gisborne area, Housing New Zealand has taken 13 Gisborne area, Housing New Zealand has taken 13 homes Gisborne area, Housing New Zealand has taken 13 homes off Gisborne area, Housing New Zealand has taken 13 homes off the Gisborne area, Housing New Zealand has taken 13 homes off the market has taken 13 homes off the market and has taken 13 homes off the market and let has taken 13 homes off the market and let them has taken 13 homes off the market and let them to has taken 13 homes off the market and let them to new has taken 13 homes off the market and let them to new tenants. has taken 13 homes off the market and let them to new tenants. They and let them to new tenants. They are and let them to new tenants. They are doing and let them to new tenants. They are doing this and let them to new tenants. They are doing this in and let them to new tenants. They are doing this in other and let them to new tenants. They are doing this in other areas and let them to new tenants. They are doing this in other areas of are doing this in other areas of high are doing this in other areas of high demand. are doing this in other areas of high demand. We are doing this in other areas of high demand. We are are doing this in other areas of high demand. We are also are doing this in other areas of high demand. We are also reviewing high demand. We are also reviewing tenancies high demand. We are also reviewing tenancies of high demand. We are also reviewing tenancies of those high demand. We are also reviewing tenancies of those paying high demand. We are also reviewing tenancies of those paying market tenancies of those paying market rent tenancies of those paying market rent to tenancies of those paying market rent to free tenancies of those paying market rent to free up tenancies of those paying market rent to free up houses tenancies of those paying market rent to free up houses for tenancies of those paying market rent to free up houses for those tenancies of those paying market rent to free up houses for those in rent to free up houses for those in more rent to free up houses for those in more need. rent to free up houses for those in more need. So rent to free up houses for those in more need. So far, rent to free up houses for those in more need. So far, 943 rent to free up houses for those in more need. So far, 943 people rent to free up houses for those in more need. So far, 943 people have more need. So far, 943 people have left more need. So far, 943 people have left social more need. So far, 943 people have left social housing, more need. So far, 943 people have left social housing, including more need. So far, 943 people have left social housing, including 120 left social housing, including 120 who left social housing, including 120 who have left social housing, including 120 who have bought left social housing, including 120 who have bought their left social housing, including 120 who have bought their own left social housing, including 120 who have bought their own homes. who have bought their own homes. Order! Order! In Order! In light Order! In light of Order! In light of her Order! In light of her recent Order! In light of her recent announcement In light of her recent announcement that In light of her recent announcement that opening In light of her recent announcement that opening up In light of her recent announcement that opening up access In light of her recent announcement that opening up access to In light of her recent announcement that opening up access to community that opening up access to community housing that opening up access to community housing providers that opening up access to community housing providers to that opening up access to community housing providers to give that opening up access to community housing providers to give them that opening up access to community housing providers to give them up that opening up access to community housing providers to give them up to housing providers to give them up to 150% housing providers to give them up to 150% of housing providers to give them up to 150% of income-related housing providers to give them up to 150% of income-related rent, housing providers to give them up to 150% of income-related rent, does 150% of income-related rent, does she 150% of income-related rent, does she have 150% of income-related rent, does she have any 150% of income-related rent, does she have any plans 150% of income-related rent, does she have any plans to 150% of income-related rent, does she have any plans to work 150% of income-related rent, does she have any plans to work with 150% of income-related rent, does she have any plans to work with the she have any plans to work with the Maori she have any plans to work with the Maori Party she have any plans to work with the Maori Party to she have any plans to work with the Maori Party to explore she have any plans to work with the Maori Party to explore the she have any plans to work with the Maori Party to explore the expansion Maori Party to explore the expansion of Maori Party to explore the expansion of this Maori Party to explore the expansion of this policy Maori Party to explore the expansion of this policy to Maori Party to explore the expansion of this policy to extend Maori Party to explore the expansion of this policy to extend to Maori Party to explore the expansion of this policy to extend to existing of this policy to extend to existing community of this policy to extend to existing community housing of this policy to extend to existing community housing tenants of this policy to extend to existing community housing tenants as of this policy to extend to existing community housing tenants as a community housing tenants as a measure community housing tenants as a measure to community housing tenants as a measure to help community housing tenants as a measure to help eliminate measure to help eliminate homelessness? measure to help eliminate homelessness? If measure to help eliminate homelessness? If not, measure to help eliminate homelessness? If not, why measure to help eliminate homelessness? If not, why not? measure to help eliminate homelessness? If not, why not? On homelessness? If not, why not? On behalf homelessness? If not, why not? On behalf of homelessness? If not, why not? On behalf of the homelessness? If not, why not? On behalf of the minister, homelessness? If not, why not? On behalf of the minister, there homelessness? If not, why not? On behalf of the minister, there are homelessness? If not, why not? On behalf of the minister, there are no behalf of the minister, there are no plans behalf of the minister, there are no plans to behalf of the minister, there are no plans to extend behalf of the minister, there are no plans to extend the behalf of the minister, there are no plans to extend the income-related plans to extend the income-related rent plans to extend the income-related rent subsidy plans to extend the income-related rent subsidy to plans to extend the income-related rent subsidy to existing plans to extend the income-related rent subsidy to existing community rent subsidy to existing community housing rent subsidy to existing community housing tenants. rent subsidy to existing community housing tenants. Our rent subsidy to existing community housing tenants. Our main rent subsidy to existing community housing tenants. Our main priority housing tenants. Our main priority is housing tenants. Our main priority is to housing tenants. Our main priority is to get housing tenants. Our main priority is to get more housing tenants. Our main priority is to get more people housing tenants. Our main priority is to get more people housed, housing tenants. Our main priority is to get more people housed, and housing tenants. Our main priority is to get more people housed, and we is to get more people housed, and we will is to get more people housed, and we will do is to get more people housed, and we will do that is to get more people housed, and we will do that by is to get more people housed, and we will do that by providing is to get more people housed, and we will do that by providing the will do that by providing the subsidy will do that by providing the subsidy to will do that by providing the subsidy to new will do that by providing the subsidy to new tenants, will do that by providing the subsidy to new tenants, not will do that by providing the subsidy to new tenants, not those subsidy to new tenants, not those who subsidy to new tenants, not those who already subsidy to new tenants, not those who already have subsidy to new tenants, not those who already have a subsidy to new tenants, not those who already have a house. subsidy to new tenants, not those who already have a house. The subsidy to new tenants, not those who already have a house. The extra who already have a house. The extra $24.4 who already have a house. The extra $24.4 million who already have a house. The extra $24.4 million I who already have a house. The extra $24.4 million I recently who already have a house. The extra $24.4 million I recently announced $24.4 million I recently announced comes $24.4 million I recently announced comes on $24.4 million I recently announced comes on top $24.4 million I recently announced comes on top of $24.4 million I recently announced comes on top of the $24.4 million I recently announced comes on top of the $120 $24.4 million I recently announced comes on top of the $120 million $24.4 million I recently announced comes on top of the $120 million in comes on top of the $120 million in the comes on top of the $120 million in the Budget comes on top of the $120 million in the Budget for comes on top of the $120 million in the Budget for community comes on top of the $120 million in the Budget for community providers. the Budget for community providers. This the Budget for community providers. This will the Budget for community providers. This will help the Budget for community providers. This will help them the Budget for community providers. This will help them increase the Budget for community providers. This will help them increase supply This will help them increase supply so This will help them increase supply so we This will help them increase supply so we can This will help them increase supply so we can get This will help them increase supply so we can get more This will help them increase supply so we can get more people This will help them increase supply so we can get more people housed. so we can get more people housed. Question so we can get more people housed. Question No. so we can get more people housed. Question No. 12, so we can get more people housed. Question No. 12, Stuart so we can get more people housed. Question No. 12, Stuart Nash. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Minister of Police: Why Minister of Police: Why did Minister of Police: Why did she Minister of Police: Why did she sign Minister of Police: Why did she sign off Minister of Police: Why did she sign off on Minister of Police: Why did she sign off on Police's Why did she sign off on Police's Four Why did she sign off on Police's Four Year Why did she sign off on Police's Four Year Plan Why did she sign off on Police's Four Year Plan on Why did she sign off on Police's Four Year Plan on 27 Why did she sign off on Police's Four Year Plan on 27 May Why did she sign off on Police's Four Year Plan on 27 May 2016 Four Year Plan on 27 May 2016 that Four Year Plan on 27 May 2016 that stated Four Year Plan on 27 May 2016 that stated there Four Year Plan on 27 May 2016 that stated there would Four Year Plan on 27 May 2016 that stated there would be that stated there would be no that stated there would be no increase that stated there would be no increase in that stated there would be no increase in Police that stated there would be no increase in Police numbers? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, of Mr Speaker, of course, Mr Speaker, of course, the Mr Speaker, of course, the plan Mr Speaker, of course, the plan works Mr Speaker, of course, the plan works with Mr Speaker, of course, the plan works with the Mr Speaker, of course, the plan works with the known Mr Speaker, of course, the plan works with the known resources Mr Speaker, of course, the plan works with the known resources at works with the known resources at the works with the known resources at the time works with the known resources at the time and, works with the known resources at the time and, of works with the known resources at the time and, of course, works with the known resources at the time and, of course, was works with the known resources at the time and, of course, was ideal the time and, of course, was ideal with the time and, of course, was ideal with reality the time and, of course, was ideal with reality at the time and, of course, was ideal with reality at that the time and, of course, was ideal with reality at that time, the time and, of course, was ideal with reality at that time, not with reality at that time, not hypotheticals. with reality at that time, not hypotheticals. 74% with reality at that time, not hypotheticals. 74% of with reality at that time, not hypotheticals. 74% of sworn with reality at that time, not hypotheticals. 74% of sworn police hypotheticals. 74% of sworn police officers, hypotheticals. 74% of sworn police officers, in hypotheticals. 74% of sworn police officers, in their hypotheticals. 74% of sworn police officers, in their latest hypotheticals. 74% of sworn police officers, in their latest annual officers, in their latest annual survey, officers, in their latest annual survey, said officers, in their latest annual survey, said they officers, in their latest annual survey, said they are officers, in their latest annual survey, said they are "dissatisfied survey, said they are "dissatisfied with survey, said they are "dissatisfied with the survey, said they are "dissatisfied with the number survey, said they are "dissatisfied with the number of survey, said they are "dissatisfied with the number of front-line survey, said they are "dissatisfied with the number of front-line police with the number of front-line police staff with the number of front-line police staff in with the number of front-line police staff in the with the number of front-line police staff in the district". with the number of front-line police staff in the district". Far with the number of front-line police staff in the district". Far be with the number of front-line police staff in the district". Far be it staff in the district". Far be it for staff in the district". Far be it for me, staff in the district". Far be it for me, Mr staff in the district". Far be it for me, Mr Speaker, staff in the district". Far be it for me, Mr Speaker, to staff in the district". Far be it for me, Mr Speaker, to ever staff in the district". Far be it for me, Mr Speaker, to ever disagree for me, Mr Speaker, to ever disagree with for me, Mr Speaker, to ever disagree with our for me, Mr Speaker, to ever disagree with our wonderful for me, Mr Speaker, to ever disagree with our wonderful front-line with our wonderful front-line officers with our wonderful front-line officers and with our wonderful front-line officers and to with our wonderful front-line officers and to personally with our wonderful front-line officers and to personally attack officers and to personally attack them officers and to personally attack them like officers and to personally attack them like that officers and to personally attack them like that member officers and to personally attack them like that member does officers and to personally attack them like that member does from officers and to personally attack them like that member does from time them like that member does from time to them like that member does from time to time, them like that member does from time to time, so them like that member does from time to time, so obviously them like that member does from time to time, so obviously they're them like that member does from time to time, so obviously they're never to time, so obviously they're never going to time, so obviously they're never going to to time, so obviously they're never going to be to time, so obviously they're never going to be satisfied, to time, so obviously they're never going to be satisfied, and to time, so obviously they're never going to be satisfied, and that's going to be satisfied, and that's because going to be satisfied, and that's because they going to be satisfied, and that's because they care going to be satisfied, and that's because they care about going to be satisfied, and that's because they care about their going to be satisfied, and that's because they care about their job because they care about their job and because they care about their job and they because they care about their job and they try because they care about their job and they try to because they care about their job and they try to do because they care about their job and they try to do the because they care about their job and they try to do the very because they care about their job and they try to do the very best and they try to do the very best that and they try to do the very best that they and they try to do the very best that they possibly and they try to do the very best that they possibly can. and they try to do the very best that they possibly can. And and they try to do the very best that they possibly can. And I'm that they possibly can. And I'm going that they possibly can. And I'm going to that they possibly can. And I'm going to do that they possibly can. And I'm going to do the that they possibly can. And I'm going to do the very that they possibly can. And I'm going to do the very best that they possibly can. And I'm going to do the very best I that they possibly can. And I'm going to do the very best I can that they possibly can. And I'm going to do the very best I can to going to do the very best I can to deliver going to do the very best I can to deliver for going to do the very best I can to deliver for them. going to do the very best I can to deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> In deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> In light deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> In light of deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> In light of that deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> In light of that answer, deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> In light of that answer, why deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> In light of that answer, why has deliver for them. <INTERRUPTION> In light of that answer, why has she In light of that answer, why has she not In light of that answer, why has she not implemented In light of that answer, why has she not implemented the In light of that answer, why has she not implemented the promise In light of that answer, why has she not implemented the promise made In light of that answer, why has she not implemented the promise made by not implemented the promise made by John not implemented the promise made by John Key not implemented the promise made by John Key in not implemented the promise made by John Key in 2008 not implemented the promise made by John Key in 2008 that not implemented the promise made by John Key in 2008 that "there not implemented the promise made by John Key in 2008 that "there is not implemented the promise made by John Key in 2008 that "there is one John Key in 2008 that "there is one officer John Key in 2008 that "there is one officer for John Key in 2008 that "there is one officer for every John Key in 2008 that "there is one officer for every 500 John Key in 2008 that "there is one officer for every 500 people, John Key in 2008 that "there is one officer for every 500 people, and John Key in 2008 that "there is one officer for every 500 people, and we officer for every 500 people, and we will officer for every 500 people, and we will keep officer for every 500 people, and we will keep this officer for every 500 people, and we will keep this ratio officer for every 500 people, and we will keep this ratio as officer for every 500 people, and we will keep this ratio as population will keep this ratio as population grows"? will keep this ratio as population grows"? We will keep this ratio as population grows"? We can will keep this ratio as population grows"? We can do will keep this ratio as population grows"? We can do the will keep this ratio as population grows"? We can do the very will keep this ratio as population grows"? We can do the very best will keep this ratio as population grows"? We can do the very best that grows"? We can do the very best that we grows"? We can do the very best that we can grows"? We can do the very best that we can in grows"? We can do the very best that we can in the grows"? We can do the very best that we can in the Budget grows"? We can do the very best that we can in the Budget and grows"? We can do the very best that we can in the Budget and the grows"? We can do the very best that we can in the Budget and the $300 we can in the Budget and the $300 million we can in the Budget and the $300 million increase, we can in the Budget and the $300 million increase, certainly, we can in the Budget and the $300 million increase, certainly, in we can in the Budget and the $300 million increase, certainly, in this million increase, certainly, in this Budget, million increase, certainly, in this Budget, absolutely million increase, certainly, in this Budget, absolutely did million increase, certainly, in this Budget, absolutely did help. million increase, certainly, in this Budget, absolutely did help. Is million increase, certainly, in this Budget, absolutely did help. Is the Budget, absolutely did help. Is the incoming Budget, absolutely did help. Is the incoming Police Budget, absolutely did help. Is the incoming Police Association incoming Police Association President, incoming Police Association President, Chris incoming Police Association President, Chris Cahill, incoming Police Association President, Chris Cahill, incorrect President, Chris Cahill, incorrect when President, Chris Cahill, incorrect when he President, Chris Cahill, incorrect when he said President, Chris Cahill, incorrect when he said this President, Chris Cahill, incorrect when he said this morning President, Chris Cahill, incorrect when he said this morning that President, Chris Cahill, incorrect when he said this morning that "our when he said this morning that "our staffing when he said this morning that "our staffing on when he said this morning that "our staffing on the when he said this morning that "our staffing on the front when he said this morning that "our staffing on the front line when he said this morning that "our staffing on the front line is when he said this morning that "our staffing on the front line is at staffing on the front line is at crisis staffing on the front line is at crisis point"? staffing on the front line is at crisis point"? If staffing on the front line is at crisis point"? If so, staffing on the front line is at crisis point"? If so, why? staffing on the front line is at crisis point"? If so, why? I've staffing on the front line is at crisis point"? If so, why? I've been crisis point"? If so, why? I've been in crisis point"? If so, why? I've been in the crisis point"? If so, why? I've been in the vault crisis point"? If so, why? I've been in the vault of crisis point"? If so, why? I've been in the vault of police crisis point"? If so, why? I've been in the vault of police for crisis point"? If so, why? I've been in the vault of police for a crisis point"? If so, why? I've been in the vault of police for a lot in the vault of police for a lot longer in the vault of police for a lot longer than in the vault of police for a lot longer than that in the vault of police for a lot longer than that member, in the vault of police for a lot longer than that member, so in the vault of police for a lot longer than that member, so I in the vault of police for a lot longer than that member, so I can longer than that member, so I can tell longer than that member, so I can tell him longer than that member, so I can tell him it longer than that member, so I can tell him it has longer than that member, so I can tell him it has never longer than that member, so I can tell him it has never been longer than that member, so I can tell him it has never been described tell him it has never been described by tell him it has never been described by the tell him it has never been described by the incoming tell him it has never been described by the incoming president tell him it has never been described by the incoming president of tell him it has never been described by the incoming president of the by the incoming president of the Police by the incoming president of the Police Association by the incoming president of the Police Association as by the incoming president of the Police Association as anything by the incoming president of the Police Association as anything other Police Association as anything other than Police Association as anything other than at Police Association as anything other than at a Police Association as anything other than at a crisis Police Association as anything other than at a crisis point, Police Association as anything other than at a crisis point, but than at a crisis point, but particularly than at a crisis point, but particularly when than at a crisis point, but particularly when the than at a crisis point, but particularly when the Labour particularly when the Labour Government particularly when the Labour Government was particularly when the Labour Government was in particularly when the Labour Government was in charge. particularly when the Labour Government was in charge. Are particularly when the Labour Government was in charge. Are the Government was in charge. Are the police Government was in charge. Are the police wrong Government was in charge. Are the police wrong when Government was in charge. Are the police wrong when 60% Government was in charge. Are the police wrong when 60% say Government was in charge. Are the police wrong when 60% say they police wrong when 60% say they cannot police wrong when 60% say they cannot deliver police wrong when 60% say they cannot deliver promises police wrong when 60% say they cannot deliver promises made police wrong when 60% say they cannot deliver promises made to police wrong when 60% say they cannot deliver promises made to the cannot deliver promises made to the public, cannot deliver promises made to the public, 55% cannot deliver promises made to the public, 55% said cannot deliver promises made to the public, 55% said they cannot deliver promises made to the public, 55% said they have cannot deliver promises made to the public, 55% said they have undue public, 55% said they have undue workplace public, 55% said they have undue workplace stress, public, 55% said they have undue workplace stress, and public, 55% said they have undue workplace stress, and 86% public, 55% said they have undue workplace stress, and 86% believe workplace stress, and 86% believe that workplace stress, and 86% believe that front-line workplace stress, and 86% believe that front-line staff workplace stress, and 86% believe that front-line staff are that front-line staff are under-resourced? that front-line staff are under-resourced? These that front-line staff are under-resourced? These are, that front-line staff are under-resourced? These are, of under-resourced? These are, of course, under-resourced? These are, of course, people's under-resourced? These are, of course, people's opinions, under-resourced? These are, of course, people's opinions, and under-resourced? These are, of course, people's opinions, and I course, people's opinions, and I obviously course, people's opinions, and I obviously always course, people's opinions, and I obviously always support course, people's opinions, and I obviously always support the course, people's opinions, and I obviously always support the police, obviously always support the police, and obviously always support the police, and particularly obviously always support the police, and particularly I obviously always support the police, and particularly I think obviously always support the police, and particularly I think one obviously always support the police, and particularly I think one of obviously always support the police, and particularly I think one of the and particularly I think one of the areas and particularly I think one of the areas where and particularly I think one of the areas where they and particularly I think one of the areas where they get and particularly I think one of the areas where they get a and particularly I think one of the areas where they get a lot and particularly I think one of the areas where they get a lot of and particularly I think one of the areas where they get a lot of stress areas where they get a lot of stress is areas where they get a lot of stress is when areas where they get a lot of stress is when they areas where they get a lot of stress is when they get areas where they get a lot of stress is when they get personally areas where they get a lot of stress is when they get personally attacked is when they get personally attacked as is when they get personally attacked as the is when they get personally attacked as the district is when they get personally attacked as the district commander is when they get personally attacked as the district commander for is when they get personally attacked as the district commander for the as the district commander for the eastern as the district commander for the eastern District, as the district commander for the eastern District, Superintendent eastern District, Superintendent Sandra eastern District, Superintendent Sandra Venables eastern District, Superintendent Sandra Venables has eastern District, Superintendent Sandra Venables has been, eastern District, Superintendent Sandra Venables has been, by eastern District, Superintendent Sandra Venables has been, by that Sandra Venables has been, by that member, Sandra Venables has been, by that member, on Sandra Venables has been, by that member, on numerous Sandra Venables has been, by that member, on numerous occasions Sandra Venables has been, by that member, on numerous occasions to Sandra Venables has been, by that member, on numerous occasions to the member, on numerous occasions to the extent member, on numerous occasions to the extent that member, on numerous occasions to the extent that the member, on numerous occasions to the extent that the deputy member, on numerous occasions to the extent that the deputy commissioner, extent that the deputy commissioner, Mr extent that the deputy commissioner, Mr Viv extent that the deputy commissioner, Mr Viv are extent that the deputy commissioner, Mr Viv are rickered, extent that the deputy commissioner, Mr Viv are rickered, has extent that the deputy commissioner, Mr Viv are rickered, has it extent that the deputy commissioner, Mr Viv are rickered, has it had extent that the deputy commissioner, Mr Viv are rickered, has it had to Mr Viv are rickered, has it had to see Mr Viv are rickered, has it had to see Andrew Mr Viv are rickered, has it had to see Andrew Little Mr Viv are rickered, has it had to see Andrew Little about Mr Viv are rickered, has it had to see Andrew Little about that see Andrew Little about that behaviour. see Andrew Little about that behaviour. <INTERRUPTION> behaviour. <INTERRUPTION> Order! behaviour. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is behaviour. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is the behaviour. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is the member behaviour. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is the member attempting behaviour. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Is the member attempting to Order! Is the member attempting to ask Order! Is the member attempting to ask another Order! Is the member attempting to ask another supplementary Order! Is the member attempting to ask another supplementary question? ask another supplementary question? I ask another supplementary question? I think ask another supplementary question? I think we'll ask another supplementary question? I think we'll find ask another supplementary question? I think we'll find that ask another supplementary question? I think we'll find that the ask another supplementary question? I think we'll find that the numbers I think we'll find that the numbers have I think we'll find that the numbers have been I think we'll find that the numbers have been used. I think we'll find that the numbers have been used. Yes, I think we'll find that the numbers have been used. Yes, they I think we'll find that the numbers have been used. Yes, they have I think we'll find that the numbers have been used. Yes, they have been. have been used. Yes, they have been. So have been used. Yes, they have been. So that have been used. Yes, they have been. So that concludes have been used. Yes, they have been. So that concludes Oral have been used. Yes, they have been. So that concludes Oral Questions. have been used. Yes, they have been. So that concludes Oral Questions. I So that concludes Oral Questions. I call So that concludes Oral Questions. I call on So that concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government So that concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Order So that concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Order of So that concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Order of the So that concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Order of the Day call on Government Order of the Day No. call on Government Order of the Day No. 1. Christophe Christophe Lecourtier, Christophe Lecourtier, first Christophe Lecourtier, first reading. Christophe Lecourtier, first reading. The Christophe Lecourtier, first reading. The Hon Christophe Lecourtier, first reading. The Hon Peter Christophe Lecourtier, first reading. The Hon Peter Dunne. Christophe Lecourtier, first reading. The Hon Peter Dunne. I Christophe Lecourtier, first reading. The Hon Peter Dunne. I move reading. The Hon Peter Dunne. I move that reading. The Hon Peter Dunne. I move that the reading. The Hon Peter Dunne. I move that the Electronic reading. The Hon Peter Dunne. I move that the Electronic Interactions that the Electronic Interactions Reform that the Electronic Interactions Reform Bill that the Electronic Interactions Reform Bill be that the Electronic Interactions Reform Bill be now that the Electronic Interactions Reform Bill be now read that the Electronic Interactions Reform Bill be now read a that the Electronic Interactions Reform Bill be now read a first Reform Bill be now read a first time, Reform Bill be now read a first time, and Reform Bill be now read a first time, and I Reform Bill be now read a first time, and I nominate Reform Bill be now read a first time, and I nominate the Reform Bill be now read a first time, and I nominate the Govt time, and I nominate the Govt Administration time, and I nominate the Govt Administration Committee time, and I nominate the Govt Administration Committee to time, and I nominate the Govt Administration Committee to consider Administration Committee to consider the Administration Committee to consider the bill. Administration Committee to consider the bill. Mr Administration Committee to consider the bill. Mr Speaker, Administration Committee to consider the bill. Mr Speaker, this Administration Committee to consider the bill. Mr Speaker, this bill Administration Committee to consider the bill. Mr Speaker, this bill is Administration Committee to consider the bill. Mr Speaker, this bill is a the bill. Mr Speaker, this bill is a cross-agency the bill. Mr Speaker, this bill is a cross-agency omnibus the bill. Mr Speaker, this bill is a cross-agency omnibus bill the bill. Mr Speaker, this bill is a cross-agency omnibus bill which cross-agency omnibus bill which contains cross-agency omnibus bill which contains proposals cross-agency omnibus bill which contains proposals from cross-agency omnibus bill which contains proposals from the cross-agency omnibus bill which contains proposals from the Dept cross-agency omnibus bill which contains proposals from the Dept of contains proposals from the Dept of Internal contains proposals from the Dept of Internal Affairs, contains proposals from the Dept of Internal Affairs, the contains proposals from the Dept of Internal Affairs, the Ministry contains proposals from the Dept of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Business, Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Business, Innovation Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, Business, Innovation and Employment, and Business, Innovation and Employment, and the Business, Innovation and Employment, and the Dept Business, Innovation and Employment, and the Dept of Business, Innovation and Employment, and the Dept of Conservation. Business, Innovation and Employment, and the Dept of Conservation. It and the Dept of Conservation. It amends and the Dept of Conservation. It amends and and the Dept of Conservation. It amends and modernises and the Dept of Conservation. It amends and modernises 17 and the Dept of Conservation. It amends and modernises 17 pieces and the Dept of Conservation. It amends and modernises 17 pieces of amends and modernises 17 pieces of legislation amends and modernises 17 pieces of legislation to amends and modernises 17 pieces of legislation to help amends and modernises 17 pieces of legislation to help enable amends and modernises 17 pieces of legislation to help enable digital legislation to help enable digital interactions legislation to help enable digital interactions between legislation to help enable digital interactions between individuals, interactions between individuals, business interactions between individuals, business and interactions between individuals, business and Government. interactions between individuals, business and Government. Mr interactions between individuals, business and Government. Mr Speaker, business and Government. Mr Speaker, providing business and Government. Mr Speaker, providing digital business and Government. Mr Speaker, providing digital services business and Government. Mr Speaker, providing digital services that business and Government. Mr Speaker, providing digital services that make providing digital services that make it providing digital services that make it easier providing digital services that make it easier for providing digital services that make it easier for individuals providing digital services that make it easier for individuals and it easier for individuals and businesses it easier for individuals and businesses to it easier for individuals and businesses to interact it easier for individuals and businesses to interact with businesses to interact with Government businesses to interact with Government is businesses to interact with Government is a businesses to interact with Government is a core businesses to interact with Government is a core part businesses to interact with Government is a core part of Government is a core part of delivering Government is a core part of delivering better Government is a core part of delivering better public Government is a core part of delivering better public services. delivering better public services. And delivering better public services. And I delivering better public services. And I should delivering better public services. And I should report delivering better public services. And I should report to delivering better public services. And I should report to the delivering better public services. And I should report to the House And I should report to the House that And I should report to the House that good And I should report to the House that good progress And I should report to the House that good progress is And I should report to the House that good progress is being And I should report to the House that good progress is being made. And I should report to the House that good progress is being made. We that good progress is being made. We are that good progress is being made. We are on that good progress is being made. We are on track that good progress is being made. We are on track to that good progress is being made. We are on track to meet that good progress is being made. We are on track to meet the that good progress is being made. We are on track to meet the better are on track to meet the better public are on track to meet the better public services are on track to meet the better public services Result are on track to meet the better public services Result 10 are on track to meet the better public services Result 10 target are on track to meet the better public services Result 10 target of public services Result 10 target of ensuring public services Result 10 target of ensuring 70% public services Result 10 target of ensuring 70% of public services Result 10 target of ensuring 70% of New public services Result 10 target of ensuring 70% of New Zealanders' public services Result 10 target of ensuring 70% of New Zealanders' most ensuring 70% of New Zealanders' most common ensuring 70% of New Zealanders' most common transactions ensuring 70% of New Zealanders' most common transactions with ensuring 70% of New Zealanders' most common transactions with Government common transactions with Government are common transactions with Government are completed common transactions with Government are completed in common transactions with Government are completed in a common transactions with Government are completed in a digital are completed in a digital environment are completed in a digital environment by are completed in a digital environment by the are completed in a digital environment by the end are completed in a digital environment by the end of are completed in a digital environment by the end of 2017. environment by the end of 2017. Internationally, environment by the end of 2017. Internationally, New environment by the end of 2017. Internationally, New Zealand's Internationally, New Zealand's efforts Internationally, New Zealand's efforts in Internationally, New Zealand's efforts in the Internationally, New Zealand's efforts in the digital Internationally, New Zealand's efforts in the digital area Internationally, New Zealand's efforts in the digital area have efforts in the digital area have been efforts in the digital area have been noticed. efforts in the digital area have been noticed. New efforts in the digital area have been noticed. New Zealand efforts in the digital area have been noticed. New Zealand was efforts in the digital area have been noticed. New Zealand was a been noticed. New Zealand was a founding been noticed. New Zealand was a founding member been noticed. New Zealand was a founding member of been noticed. New Zealand was a founding member of a been noticed. New Zealand was a founding member of a global been noticed. New Zealand was a founding member of a global network founding member of a global network called founding member of a global network called the founding member of a global network called the D5 founding member of a global network called the D5 - founding member of a global network called the D5 - a founding member of a global network called the D5 - a group founding member of a global network called the D5 - a group of founding member of a global network called the D5 - a group of countries called the D5 - a group of countries committed called the D5 - a group of countries committed to called the D5 - a group of countries committed to leading called the D5 - a group of countries committed to leading the called the D5 - a group of countries committed to leading the way called the D5 - a group of countries committed to leading the way in committed to leading the way in providing committed to leading the way in providing digital committed to leading the way in providing digital services committed to leading the way in providing digital services to committed to leading the way in providing digital services to their providing digital services to their citizens. providing digital services to their citizens. The providing digital services to their citizens. The other providing digital services to their citizens. The other members providing digital services to their citizens. The other members of providing digital services to their citizens. The other members of the citizens. The other members of the D5 citizens. The other members of the D5 are citizens. The other members of the D5 are the citizens. The other members of the D5 are the United citizens. The other members of the D5 are the United Kingdom, citizens. The other members of the D5 are the United Kingdom, Estonia, D5 are the United Kingdom, Estonia, South D5 are the United Kingdom, Estonia, South Korea D5 are the United Kingdom, Estonia, South Korea and D5 are the United Kingdom, Estonia, South Korea and Israel. D5 are the United Kingdom, Estonia, South Korea and Israel. Earlier D5 are the United Kingdom, Estonia, South Korea and Israel. Earlier this South Korea and Israel. Earlier this year, South Korea and Israel. Earlier this year, in South Korea and Israel. Earlier this year, in recognition South Korea and Israel. Earlier this year, in recognition of South Korea and Israel. Earlier this year, in recognition of the South Korea and Israel. Earlier this year, in recognition of the progress year, in recognition of the progress New year, in recognition of the progress New Zealand year, in recognition of the progress New Zealand has year, in recognition of the progress New Zealand has been year, in recognition of the progress New Zealand has been making year, in recognition of the progress New Zealand has been making in year, in recognition of the progress New Zealand has been making in this New Zealand has been making in this area, New Zealand has been making in this area, I New Zealand has been making in this area, I was New Zealand has been making in this area, I was invited New Zealand has been making in this area, I was invited to New Zealand has been making in this area, I was invited to give New Zealand has been making in this area, I was invited to give the area, I was invited to give the annual area, I was invited to give the annual lecture area, I was invited to give the annual lecture to area, I was invited to give the annual lecture to the area, I was invited to give the annual lecture to the digital annual lecture to the digital leaders' annual lecture to the digital leaders' network annual lecture to the digital leaders' network at annual lecture to the digital leaders' network at the annual lecture to the digital leaders' network at the House annual lecture to the digital leaders' network at the House of leaders' network at the House of Commons leaders' network at the House of Commons in leaders' network at the House of Commons in London. leaders' network at the House of Commons in London. But leaders' network at the House of Commons in London. But Mr leaders' network at the House of Commons in London. But Mr Speaker, Commons in London. But Mr Speaker, we Commons in London. But Mr Speaker, we need Commons in London. But Mr Speaker, we need to Commons in London. But Mr Speaker, we need to maintain Commons in London. But Mr Speaker, we need to maintain and Commons in London. But Mr Speaker, we need to maintain and build Commons in London. But Mr Speaker, we need to maintain and build on we need to maintain and build on this we need to maintain and build on this momentum. we need to maintain and build on this momentum. So we need to maintain and build on this momentum. So work we need to maintain and build on this momentum. So work is we need to maintain and build on this momentum. So work is under we need to maintain and build on this momentum. So work is under way this momentum. So work is under way on this momentum. So work is under way on innovative this momentum. So work is under way on innovative ways this momentum. So work is under way on innovative ways to this momentum. So work is under way on innovative ways to improve on innovative ways to improve delivery on innovative ways to improve delivery of on innovative ways to improve delivery of public on innovative ways to improve delivery of public services. on innovative ways to improve delivery of public services. This delivery of public services. This includes delivery of public services. This includes developing delivery of public services. This includes developing integrated includes developing integrated services includes developing integrated services so includes developing integrated services so a includes developing integrated services so a customer includes developing integrated services so a customer can includes developing integrated services so a customer can easily services so a customer can easily access services so a customer can easily access services services so a customer can easily access services from services so a customer can easily access services from the services so a customer can easily access services from the different access services from the different agencies access services from the different agencies that access services from the different agencies that they access services from the different agencies that they need access services from the different agencies that they need to access services from the different agencies that they need to deal access services from the different agencies that they need to deal with agencies that they need to deal with when agencies that they need to deal with when they agencies that they need to deal with when they have agencies that they need to deal with when they have a agencies that they need to deal with when they have a significant agencies that they need to deal with when they have a significant life when they have a significant life event when they have a significant life event such when they have a significant life event such as when they have a significant life event such as having when they have a significant life event such as having a when they have a significant life event such as having a child. event such as having a child. Another event such as having a child. Another area event such as having a child. Another area being event such as having a child. Another area being explored event such as having a child. Another area being explored is event such as having a child. Another area being explored is using Another area being explored is using information Another area being explored is using information the Another area being explored is using information the Government Another area being explored is using information the Government holds Another area being explored is using information the Government holds to information the Government holds to proactively information the Government holds to proactively deliver information the Government holds to proactively deliver services information the Government holds to proactively deliver services for proactively deliver services for which proactively deliver services for which citizens proactively deliver services for which citizens are proactively deliver services for which citizens are eligible. proactively deliver services for which citizens are eligible. While which citizens are eligible. While it which citizens are eligible. While it is which citizens are eligible. While it is hard which citizens are eligible. While it is hard to which citizens are eligible. While it is hard to accurately which citizens are eligible. While it is hard to accurately predict it is hard to accurately predict technology it is hard to accurately predict technology trends it is hard to accurately predict technology trends and it is hard to accurately predict technology trends and how it is hard to accurately predict technology trends and how people technology trends and how people interact technology trends and how people interact with technology trends and how people interact with Government technology trends and how people interact with Government in technology trends and how people interact with Government in the interact with Government in the future, interact with Government in the future, we interact with Government in the future, we do interact with Government in the future, we do know interact with Government in the future, we do know that interact with Government in the future, we do know that New future, we do know that New Zealanders future, we do know that New Zealanders want future, we do know that New Zealanders want services