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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for your humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all things, your guidance in all things, and your guidance in all things, and laying your guidance in all things, and laying aside your guidance in all things, and laying aside all your guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we ask and personal interests, we ask that and personal interests, we ask that you and personal interests, we ask that you grant we ask that you grant that we ask that you grant that we we ask that you grant that we may we ask that you grant that we may conduct we ask that you grant that we may conduct the we ask that you grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of your of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy name, to the glory of your holy name, the to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. The The Hon The Hon Gerry The Hon Gerry Brownlee. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the House The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on Tuesday, when the House resumes on Tuesday, November when the House resumes on Tuesday, November 8, when the House resumes on Tuesday, November 8, the when the House resumes on Tuesday, November 8, the Government when the House resumes on Tuesday, November 8, the Government will when the House resumes on Tuesday, November 8, the Government will look November 8, the Government will look to November 8, the Government will look to complete November 8, the Government will look to complete the November 8, the Government will look to complete the first November 8, the Government will look to complete the first reading November 8, the Government will look to complete the first reading of November 8, the Government will look to complete the first reading of the to complete the first reading of the Energy to complete the first reading of the Energy Innovation to complete the first reading of the Energy Innovation Electric to complete the first reading of the Energy Innovation Electric Vehicles Energy Innovation Electric Vehicles and Energy Innovation Electric Vehicles and Other Energy Innovation Electric Vehicles and Other Matters Energy Innovation Electric Vehicles and Other Matters Amendment Energy Innovation Electric Vehicles and Other Matters Amendment Bill Energy Innovation Electric Vehicles and Other Matters Amendment Bill - and Other Matters Amendment Bill - the and Other Matters Amendment Bill - the third and Other Matters Amendment Bill - the third reading and Other Matters Amendment Bill - the third reading of and Other Matters Amendment Bill - the third reading of the and Other Matters Amendment Bill - the third reading of the Civil the third reading of the Civil Defence the third reading of the Civil Defence Emergency the third reading of the Civil Defence Emergency Management Defence Emergency Management Amendment Defence Emergency Management Amendment Bill, Defence Emergency Management Amendment Bill, and Defence Emergency Management Amendment Bill, and a Defence Emergency Management Amendment Bill, and a number Defence Emergency Management Amendment Bill, and a number of Amendment Bill, and a number of other Amendment Bill, and a number of other bills Amendment Bill, and a number of other bills on Amendment Bill, and a number of other bills on the Amendment Bill, and a number of other bills on the Order Amendment Bill, and a number of other bills on the Order Paper Amendment Bill, and a number of other bills on the Order Paper - other bills on the Order Paper - Wednesday other bills on the Order Paper - Wednesday will other bills on the Order Paper - Wednesday will be other bills on the Order Paper - Wednesday will be a other bills on the Order Paper - Wednesday will be a members' other bills on the Order Paper - Wednesday will be a members' day. Wednesday will be a members' day. Grant Wednesday will be a members' day. Grant Robertson. Wednesday will be a members' day. Grant Robertson. Mr Wednesday will be a members' day. Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, Wednesday will be a members' day. Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I Wednesday will be a members' day. Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank the Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank the Leader Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank the Leader of Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank the Leader of the Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank the Leader of the House Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank the Leader of the House for Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank the Leader of the House for that. Grant Robertson. Mr Speaker, I thank the Leader of the House for that. In the Leader of the House for that. In light the Leader of the House for that. In light of the Leader of the House for that. In light of the the Leader of the House for that. 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The Doocey will now be withdrawn? The Hon Doocey will now be withdrawn? The Hon Gerry Doocey will now be withdrawn? The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Doocey will now be withdrawn? The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given Doocey will now be withdrawn? The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the Doocey will now be withdrawn? The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the good Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the good sense Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the good sense shown Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the good sense shown by Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the good sense shown by those Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the good sense shown by those two Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the good sense shown by those two members Hon Gerry Brownlee. Given the good sense shown by those two members in sense shown by those two members in expediting sense shown by those two members in expediting this sense shown by those two members in expediting this most sense shown by those two members in expediting this most important expediting this most important legislation... expediting this most important legislation... <INTERRUPTION> legislation... <INTERRUPTION> It legislation... <INTERRUPTION> It is legislation... <INTERRUPTION> It is most legislation... <INTERRUPTION> It is most likely legislation... <INTERRUPTION> It is most likely the legislation... <INTERRUPTION> It is most likely the course legislation... <INTERRUPTION> It is most likely the course of It is most likely the course of action It is most likely the course of action suggested, It is most likely the course of action suggested, the It is most likely the course of action suggested, the Labour It is most likely the course of action suggested, the Labour Party action suggested, the Labour Party will action suggested, the Labour Party will be action suggested, the Labour Party will be following, action suggested, the Labour Party will be following, which action suggested, the Labour Party will be following, which means will be following, which means they've will be following, which means they've had will be following, which means they've had a will be following, which means they've had a hat-trick will be following, which means they've had a hat-trick - will be following, which means they've had a hat-trick - which will be following, which means they've had a hat-trick - which is they've had a hat-trick - which is more they've had a hat-trick - which is more than they've had a hat-trick - which is more than they've they've had a hat-trick - which is more than they've had they've had a hat-trick - which is more than they've had for they've had a hat-trick - which is more than they've had for many more than they've had for many years. A A petition A petition has A petition has been A petition has been delivered A petition has been delivered to A petition has been delivered to the A petition has been delivered to the Clerk A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for presentation. Petition Petition of Petition of Gwenyth Petition of Gwenyth Wright Petition of Gwenyth Wright on Petition of Gwenyth Wright on behalf Petition of Gwenyth Wright on behalf of Petition of Gwenyth Wright on behalf of the Petition of Gwenyth Wright on behalf of the Thames on behalf of the Thames Coromandel on behalf of the Thames Coromandel Women's on behalf of the Thames Coromandel Women's Loan on behalf of the Thames Coromandel Women's Loan Fund/ Coromandel Women's Loan Fund/ Wahine Coromandel Women's Loan Fund/ Wahine Putea Wahine Putea requesting Wahine Putea requesting that Wahine Putea requesting that the requesting that the House requesting that the House of requesting that the House of Representatives House of Representatives note House of Representatives note that House of Representatives note that 221 House of Representatives note that 221 people note that 221 people have note that 221 people have signed note that 221 people have signed a note that 221 people have signed a petition have signed a petition requesting have signed a petition requesting that have signed a petition requesting that there have signed a petition requesting that there be have signed a petition requesting that there be a have signed a petition requesting that there be a cap requesting that there be a cap on requesting that there be a cap on interest requesting that there be a cap on interest rates on interest rates charged on interest rates charged in on interest rates charged in New on interest rates charged in New Zealand. No No papers No papers have No papers have been No papers have been presented. No papers have been presented. A No papers have been presented. A select No papers have been presented. A select committee No papers have been presented. A select committee report No papers have been presented. A select committee report has No papers have been presented. A select committee report has been select committee report has been delivered select committee report has been delivered for select committee report has been delivered for presentation. Interim Interim report Interim report on Interim report on the Interim report on the Telecommunications on the Telecommunications (Property on the Telecommunications (Property Access on the Telecommunications (Property Access and on the Telecommunications (Property Access and Other on the Telecommunications (Property Access and Other Matters) (Property Access and Other Matters) Amendment (Property Access and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. Amendment Bill. The Amendment Bill. The interim Amendment Bill. The interim report The interim report is The interim report is set The interim report is set down The interim report is set down for The interim report is set down for consideration. No No bills No bills have No bills have been No bills have been introduced. No bills have been introduced. The No bills have been introduced. The House No bills have been introduced. The House comes No bills have been introduced. The House comes to No bills have been introduced. The House comes to Oral No bills have been introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. House comes to Oral Questions. Question House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in the House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in the name House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in the name of House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in the name of Nuk Question No. 1, in the name of Nuk Korako. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Minister of Finance: What Minister of Finance: What progress What progress is What progress is the What progress is the Government What progress is the Government making is the Government making in is the Government making in its is the Government making in its programme is the Government making in its programme to is the Government making in its programme to get is the Government making in its programme to get better in its programme to get better results in its programme to get better results from in its programme to get better results from public in its programme to get better results from public services? Order! Order! The Order! The Hon Order! The Hon Bill Order! The Hon Bill English. Order! The Hon Bill English. Mr Order! The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, Order! The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, earlier Order! The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, earlier this Order! The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, earlier this week, Order! The Hon Bill English. Mr Speaker, earlier this week, the Speaker, earlier this week, the Government Speaker, earlier this week, the Government released Speaker, earlier this week, the Government released the Speaker, earlier this week, the Government released the latest Government released the latest results Government released the latest results update Government released the latest results update for Government released the latest results update for its Government released the latest results update for its Better Government released the latest results update for its Better Public results update for its Better Public Services results update for its Better Public Services programme. results update for its Better Public Services programme. These results update for its Better Public Services programme. These targets Services programme. These targets were Services programme. These targets were set Services programme. These targets were set in Services programme. These targets were set in 2012 Services programme. These targets were set in 2012 by Services programme. These targets were set in 2012 by the Services programme. These targets were set in 2012 by the PM, Services programme. These targets were set in 2012 by the PM, designed were set in 2012 by the PM, designed to were set in 2012 by the PM, designed to be were set in 2012 by the PM, designed to be challenging were set in 2012 by the PM, designed to be challenging targets were set in 2012 by the PM, designed to be challenging targets which were set in 2012 by the PM, designed to be challenging targets which may to be challenging targets which may be to be challenging targets which may be difficult to be challenging targets which may be difficult to to be challenging targets which may be difficult to achieve. to be challenging targets which may be difficult to achieve. The to be challenging targets which may be difficult to achieve. The latest be difficult to achieve. The latest update be difficult to achieve. The latest update shows be difficult to achieve. The latest update shows we're be difficult to achieve. The latest update shows we're making be difficult to achieve. The latest update shows we're making progress update shows we're making progress in update shows we're making progress in some update shows we're making progress in some areas update shows we're making progress in some areas that update shows we're making progress in some areas that make update shows we're making progress in some areas that make a update shows we're making progress in some areas that make a real in some areas that make a real difference, in some areas that make a real difference, and in some areas that make a real difference, and this in some areas that make a real difference, and this is in some areas that make a real difference, and this is the in some areas that make a real difference, and this is the late difference, and this is the late update difference, and this is the late update we'll difference, and this is the late update we'll issue difference, and this is the late update we'll issue before difference, and this is the late update we'll issue before Cabinet update we'll issue before Cabinet refreshes update we'll issue before Cabinet refreshes the update we'll issue before Cabinet refreshes the targets. update we'll issue before Cabinet refreshes the targets. Benefit refreshes the targets. Benefit dependency refreshes the targets. Benefit dependency continues refreshes the targets. Benefit dependency continues to refreshes the targets. Benefit dependency continues to fall. refreshes the targets. Benefit dependency continues to fall. We've dependency continues to fall. We've saved dependency continues to fall. We've saved up dependency continues to fall. We've saved up to dependency continues to fall. We've saved up to $3.6 dependency continues to fall. We've saved up to $3.6 billion dependency continues to fall. We've saved up to $3.6 billion of saved up to $3.6 billion of long-term saved up to $3.6 billion of long-term liability saved up to $3.6 billion of long-term liability over saved up to $3.6 billion of long-term liability over the saved up to $3.6 billion of long-term liability over the past long-term liability over the past two long-term liability over the past two years. long-term liability over the past two years. The long-term liability over the past two years. The total long-term liability over the past two years. The total crime long-term liability over the past two years. The total crime rate long-term liability over the past two years. The total crime rate for two years. The total crime rate for the two years. The total crime rate for the June two years. The total crime rate for the June quarter two years. The total crime rate for the June quarter was two years. The total crime rate for the June quarter was up two years. The total crime rate for the June quarter was up 1.4% two years. The total crime rate for the June quarter was up 1.4% but, the June quarter was up 1.4% but, overall, the June quarter was up 1.4% but, overall, it's the June quarter was up 1.4% but, overall, it's fallen the June quarter was up 1.4% but, overall, it's fallen 15% the June quarter was up 1.4% but, overall, it's fallen 15% since the June quarter was up 1.4% but, overall, it's fallen 15% since 2011. overall, it's fallen 15% since 2011. What overall, it's fallen 15% since 2011. What progress overall, it's fallen 15% since 2011. What progress has overall, it's fallen 15% since 2011. What progress has been overall, it's fallen 15% since 2011. What progress has been made overall, it's fallen 15% since 2011. What progress has been made on What progress has been made on targets What progress has been made on targets specifically What progress has been made on targets specifically designed What progress has been made on targets specifically designed to targets specifically designed to improve targets specifically designed to improve outcomes targets specifically designed to improve outcomes for targets specifically designed to improve outcomes for children targets specifically designed to improve outcomes for children and improve outcomes for children and young improve outcomes for children and young people? improve outcomes for children and young people? We improve outcomes for children and young people? We know improve outcomes for children and young people? We know that young people? We know that well-focused young people? We know that well-focused early young people? We know that well-focused early intervention young people? We know that well-focused early intervention can well-focused early intervention can reduce well-focused early intervention can reduce remedial well-focused early intervention can reduce remedial spending well-focused early intervention can reduce remedial spending later well-focused early intervention can reduce remedial spending later in reduce remedial spending later in the reduce remedial spending later in the lives reduce remedial spending later in the lives of reduce remedial spending later in the lives of those reduce remedial spending later in the lives of those children reduce remedial spending later in the lives of those children who reduce remedial spending later in the lives of those children who have the lives of those children who have real the lives of those children who have real risks. the lives of those children who have real risks. We've the lives of those children who have real risks. We've chosen the lives of those children who have real risks. We've chosen some the lives of those children who have real risks. We've chosen some quite real risks. We've chosen some quite difficult real risks. We've chosen some quite difficult targets real risks. We've chosen some quite difficult targets - real risks. We've chosen some quite difficult targets - for real risks. We've chosen some quite difficult targets - for instance, difficult targets - for instance, Result difficult targets - for instance, Result 4 difficult targets - for instance, Result 4 is difficult targets - for instance, Result 4 is about difficult targets - for instance, Result 4 is about reducing difficult targets - for instance, Result 4 is about reducing the Result 4 is about reducing the number Result 4 is about reducing the number of Result 4 is about reducing the number of substantiated Result 4 is about reducing the number of substantiated physical number of substantiated physical assaults number of substantiated physical assaults on number of substantiated physical assaults on children number of substantiated physical assaults on children - number of substantiated physical assaults on children - where number of substantiated physical assaults on children - where the assaults on children - where the headline assaults on children - where the headline numbers assaults on children - where the headline numbers show assaults on children - where the headline numbers show that assaults on children - where the headline numbers show that abuse assaults on children - where the headline numbers show that abuse is headline numbers show that abuse is far headline numbers show that abuse is far too headline numbers show that abuse is far too high, headline numbers show that abuse is far too high, but headline numbers show that abuse is far too high, but it headline numbers show that abuse is far too high, but it has headline numbers show that abuse is far too high, but it has stopped far too high, but it has stopped increasing far too high, but it has stopped increasing at far too high, but it has stopped increasing at the far too high, but it has stopped increasing at the same far too high, but it has stopped increasing at the same rate far too high, but it has stopped increasing at the same rate that far too high, but it has stopped increasing at the same rate that it increasing at the same rate that it was increasing at the same rate that it was several increasing at the same rate that it was several years increasing at the same rate that it was several years ago. increasing at the same rate that it was several years ago. And increasing at the same rate that it was several years ago. And when increasing at the same rate that it was several years ago. And when you was several years ago. And when you dig was several years ago. And when you dig in was several years ago. And when you dig in behind was several years ago. And when you dig in behind that was several years ago. And when you dig in behind that result, was several years ago. And when you dig in behind that result, it was several years ago. And when you dig in behind that result, it shows dig in behind that result, it shows we're dig in behind that result, it shows we're starting dig in behind that result, it shows we're starting to dig in behind that result, it shows we're starting to connect dig in behind that result, it shows we're starting to connect with dig in behind that result, it shows we're starting to connect with the we're starting to connect with the hardest-to-reach we're starting to connect with the hardest-to-reach children we're starting to connect with the hardest-to-reach children and hardest-to-reach children and families. hardest-to-reach children and families. For hardest-to-reach children and families. For instance, hardest-to-reach children and families. For instance, those families. For instance, those children families. For instance, those children who families. For instance, those children who suffer families. For instance, those children who suffer the families. For instance, those children who suffer the worst children who suffer the worst consequences children who suffer the worst consequences of children who suffer the worst consequences of poverty, children who suffer the worst consequences of poverty, such children who suffer the worst consequences of poverty, such as consequences of poverty, such as preventable consequences of poverty, such as preventable diseases consequences of poverty, such as preventable diseases like consequences of poverty, such as preventable diseases like rheumatic preventable diseases like rheumatic fever preventable diseases like rheumatic fever and preventable diseases like rheumatic fever and other preventable diseases like rheumatic fever and other progress preventable diseases like rheumatic fever and other progress that's preventable diseases like rheumatic fever and other progress that's been fever and other progress that's been made fever and other progress that's been made is fever and other progress that's been made is on fever and other progress that's been made is on immunisation fever and other progress that's been made is on immunisation - made is on immunisation - immunisation made is on immunisation - immunisation rates made is on immunisation - immunisation rates are made is on immunisation - immunisation rates are up made is on immunisation - immunisation rates are up from made is on immunisation - immunisation rates are up from 84% immunisation rates are up from 84% to immunisation rates are up from 84% to 92% immunisation rates are up from 84% to 92% this immunisation rates are up from 84% to 92% this year, immunisation rates are up from 84% to 92% this year, and immunisation rates are up from 84% to 92% this year, and the immunisation rates are up from 84% to 92% this year, and the number immunisation rates are up from 84% to 92% this year, and the number of to 92% this year, and the number of rheumatic to 92% this year, and the number of rheumatic fever to 92% this year, and the number of rheumatic fever cases to 92% this year, and the number of rheumatic fever cases has to 92% this year, and the number of rheumatic fever cases has dropped rheumatic fever cases has dropped from rheumatic fever cases has dropped from 177 rheumatic fever cases has dropped from 177 cases rheumatic fever cases has dropped from 177 cases in rheumatic fever cases has dropped from 177 cases in 2012 rheumatic fever cases has dropped from 177 cases in 2012 to rheumatic fever cases has dropped from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 rheumatic fever cases has dropped from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 this from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 this year. from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 this year. What from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 this year. What progress from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 this year. What progress has from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 this year. What progress has been from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 this year. What progress has been made from 177 cases in 2012 to 112 this year. What progress has been made on year. What progress has been made on Result year. What progress has been made on Result 1 year. What progress has been made on Result 1 - year. What progress has been made on Result 1 - reducing year. What progress has been made on Result 1 - reducing welfare Result 1 - reducing welfare dependence? Result 1 - reducing welfare dependence? The Result 1 - reducing welfare dependence? The latest Result 1 - reducing welfare dependence? The latest figures Result 1 - reducing welfare dependence? The latest figures show dependence? The latest figures show that dependence? The latest figures show that around dependence? The latest figures show that around 15,000 dependence? The latest figures show that around 15,000 fewer dependence? The latest figures show that around 15,000 fewer people dependence? The latest figures show that around 15,000 fewer people are that around 15,000 fewer people are on that around 15,000 fewer people are on a that around 15,000 fewer people are on a main that around 15,000 fewer people are on a main benefit that around 15,000 fewer people are on a main benefit over that around 15,000 fewer people are on a main benefit over the that around 15,000 fewer people are on a main benefit over the two that around 15,000 fewer people are on a main benefit over the two years on a main benefit over the two years between on a main benefit over the two years between 2014 on a main benefit over the two years between 2014 and on a main benefit over the two years between 2014 and '16. on a main benefit over the two years between 2014 and '16. Those on a main benefit over the two years between 2014 and '16. Those people between 2014 and '16. Those people coming between 2014 and '16. Those people coming off between 2014 and '16. Those people coming off benefits between 2014 and '16. Those people coming off benefits are between 2014 and '16. Those people coming off benefits are being coming off benefits are being supported coming off benefits are being supported by coming off benefits are being supported by successful coming off benefits are being supported by successful programmes supported by successful programmes to supported by successful programmes to support supported by successful programmes to support them supported by successful programmes to support them in supported by successful programmes to support them in work supported by successful programmes to support them in work but, supported by successful programmes to support them in work but, in to support them in work but, in particular, to support them in work but, in particular, to to support them in work but, in particular, to make to support them in work but, in particular, to make their to support them in work but, in particular, to make their exit to support them in work but, in particular, to make their exit from particular, to make their exit from benefit particular, to make their exit from benefit sustainable, particular, to make their exit from benefit sustainable, because benefit sustainable, because historically, benefit sustainable, because historically, getting benefit sustainable, because historically, getting someone benefit sustainable, because historically, getting someone off benefit sustainable, because historically, getting someone off a historically, getting someone off a benefit historically, getting someone off a benefit often historically, getting someone off a benefit often meant historically, getting someone off a benefit often meant that, historically, getting someone off a benefit often meant that, before historically, getting someone off a benefit often meant that, before too benefit often meant that, before too long, benefit often meant that, before too long, they benefit often meant that, before too long, they were benefit often meant that, before too long, they were back benefit often meant that, before too long, they were back on benefit often meant that, before too long, they were back on the benefit often meant that, before too long, they were back on the benefit. long, they were back on the benefit. Fortunately, long, they were back on the benefit. Fortunately, in long, they were back on the benefit. Fortunately, in a long, they were back on the benefit. Fortunately, in a stronger long, they were back on the benefit. 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How innovation and lateral thinking. How does innovation and lateral thinking. How does the innovation and lateral thinking. How does the Government's innovation and lateral thinking. How does the Government's priority How does the Government's priority of How does the Government's priority of delivering How does the Government's priority of delivering Better How does the Government's priority of delivering Better Public How does the Government's priority of delivering Better Public Services of delivering Better Public Services contribute of delivering Better Public Services contribute to of delivering Better Public Services contribute to its of delivering Better Public Services contribute to its other of delivering Better Public Services contribute to its other priority of delivering Better Public Services contribute to its other priority of contribute to its other priority of responsibly contribute to its other priority of responsibly managing contribute to its other priority of responsibly managing its contribute to its other priority of responsibly managing its finances? responsibly managing its finances? In responsibly managing its finances? 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Secondly, how they use the money that they already have. Secondly, as how they use the money that they already have. Secondly, as we already have. Secondly, as we develop already have. Secondly, as we develop the already have. Secondly, as we develop the tool already have. Secondly, as we develop the tool kit already have. Secondly, as we develop the tool kit for already have. Secondly, as we develop the tool kit for social develop the tool kit for social investment develop the tool kit for social investment - develop the tool kit for social investment - including develop the tool kit for social investment - including the develop the tool kit for social investment - including the use develop the tool kit for social investment - including the use of investment - including the use of data investment - including the use of data and investment - including the use of data and analytics investment - including the use of data and analytics - investment - including the use of data and analytics - we investment - including the use of data and analytics - we are investment - including the use of data and analytics - we are finding data and analytics - we are finding that data and analytics - we are finding that well-targeted data and analytics - we are finding that well-targeted early that well-targeted early intervention that well-targeted early intervention can that well-targeted early intervention can lead, that well-targeted early intervention can lead, before that well-targeted early intervention can lead, before too intervention can lead, before too long, intervention can lead, before too long, to intervention can lead, before too long, to considerable intervention can lead, before too long, to considerable savings, long, to considerable savings, simply long, to considerable savings, simply because long, to considerable savings, simply because we long, to considerable savings, simply because we can long, to considerable savings, simply because we can change long, to considerable savings, simply because we can change lives. simply because we can change lives. When simply because we can change lives. When we simply because we can change lives. When we change simply because we can change lives. When we change lives simply because we can change lives. When we change lives - simply because we can change lives. When we change lives - particularly When we change lives - particularly of When we change lives - particularly of those When we change lives - particularly of those of When we change lives - particularly of those of our When we change lives - particularly of those of our children When we change lives - particularly of those of our children and When we change lives - particularly of those of our children and young of those of our children and young people of those of our children and young people - of those of our children and young people - we of those of our children and young people - we can of those of our children and young people - we can help of those of our children and young people - we can help them of those of our children and young people - we can help them avoid of those of our children and young people - we can help them avoid a people - we can help them avoid a lifetime people - we can help them avoid a lifetime of people - we can help them avoid a lifetime of misery people - we can help them avoid a lifetime of misery and people - we can help them avoid a lifetime of misery and the people - we can help them avoid a lifetime of misery and the taxpayer lifetime of misery and the taxpayer a lifetime of misery and the taxpayer a lifetime lifetime of misery and the taxpayer a lifetime of lifetime of misery and the taxpayer a lifetime of cost. lifetime of misery and the taxpayer a lifetime of cost. Question lifetime of misery and the taxpayer a lifetime of cost. Question No. lifetime of misery and the taxpayer a lifetime of cost. Question No. 2 lifetime of misery and the taxpayer a lifetime of cost. Question No. 2 - a lifetime of cost. Question No. 2 - James a lifetime of cost. Question No. 2 - James Shaw. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Foreign My question is to the Minister of Foreign Affairs: Minister of Foreign Affairs: Did Minister of Foreign Affairs: Did he Minister of Foreign Affairs: Did he ask Minister of Foreign Affairs: Did he ask for, Did he ask for, or Did he ask for, or receive, or receive, any or receive, any advice or receive, any advice or or receive, any advice or assessment any advice or assessment from any advice or assessment from officials from officials about from officials about the from officials about the stated from officials about the stated legal from officials about the stated legal threat about the stated legal threat of about the stated legal threat of up about the stated legal threat of up to about the stated legal threat of up to $30 about the stated legal threat of up to $30 million of up to $30 million from of up to $30 million from the of up to $30 million from the Al-Khalaf of up to $30 million from the Al-Khalaf group; from the Al-Khalaf group; if from the Al-Khalaf group; if so, if so, what if so, what was if so, what was the if so, what was the nature if so, what was the nature of if so, what was the nature of that if so, what was the nature of that advice? I I received I received advice I received advice from I received advice from ministry I received advice from ministry officials I received advice from ministry officials prior I received advice from ministry officials prior to I received advice from ministry officials prior to meeting I received advice from ministry officials prior to meeting with I received advice from ministry officials prior to meeting with Mr officials prior to meeting with Mr Al officials prior to meeting with Mr Al Khalaf officials prior to meeting with Mr Al Khalaf in officials prior to meeting with Mr Al Khalaf in relation officials prior to meeting with Mr Al Khalaf in relation to officials prior to meeting with Mr Al Khalaf in relation to both officials prior to meeting with Mr Al Khalaf in relation to both legal Al Khalaf in relation to both legal advice Al Khalaf in relation to both legal advice Mr Al Khalaf in relation to both legal advice Mr Al Al Khalaf in relation to both legal advice Mr Al Khalaf Al Khalaf in relation to both legal advice Mr Al Khalaf was Al Khalaf in relation to both legal advice Mr Al Khalaf was known Al Khalaf in relation to both legal advice Mr Al Khalaf was known to advice Mr Al Khalaf was known to have advice Mr Al Khalaf was known to have taken advice Mr Al Khalaf was known to have taken regarding advice Mr Al Khalaf was known to have taken regarding a advice Mr Al Khalaf was known to have taken regarding a compensation have taken regarding a compensation claim, have taken regarding a compensation claim, and have taken regarding a compensation claim, and the have taken regarding a compensation claim, and the risks have taken regarding a compensation claim, and the risks of have taken regarding a compensation claim, and the risks of a have taken regarding a compensation claim, and the risks of a claim claim, and the risks of a claim breach claim, and the risks of a claim breach of claim, and the risks of a claim breach of New claim, and the risks of a claim breach of New Zealand's claim, and the risks of a claim breach of New Zealand's WTO claim, and the risks of a claim breach of New Zealand's WTO -- breach of New Zealand's WTO -- obligations. breach of New Zealand's WTO -- obligations. These breach of New Zealand's WTO -- obligations. These formed breach of New Zealand's WTO -- obligations. These formed part breach of New Zealand's WTO -- obligations. These formed part of breach of New Zealand's WTO -- obligations. These formed part of an obligations. These formed part of an oral obligations. These formed part of an oral briefing. obligations. These formed part of an oral briefing. Does obligations. These formed part of an oral briefing. Does he obligations. These formed part of an oral briefing. Does he stand obligations. These formed part of an oral briefing. Does he stand by obligations. These formed part of an oral briefing. Does he stand by his oral briefing. Does he stand by his statement oral briefing. Does he stand by his statement to oral briefing. Does he stand by his statement to me oral briefing. Does he stand by his statement to me in oral briefing. Does he stand by his statement to me in this oral briefing. Does he stand by his statement to me in this House oral briefing. Does he stand by his statement to me in this House on oral briefing. Does he stand by his statement to me in this House on May statement to me in this House on May 28, statement to me in this House on May 28, 2015 statement to me in this House on May 28, 2015 that statement to me in this House on May 28, 2015 that "the statement to me in this House on May 28, 2015 that "the Government statement to me in this House on May 28, 2015 that "the Government took 28, 2015 that "the Government took advice 28, 2015 that "the Government took advice from 28, 2015 that "the Government took advice from very 28, 2015 that "the Government took advice from very senior 28, 2015 that "the Government took advice from very senior officials 28, 2015 that "the Government took advice from very senior officials in advice from very senior officials in the advice from very senior officials in the Ministry advice from very senior officials in the Ministry of advice from very senior officials in the Ministry of Foreign advice from very senior officials in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs advice from very senior officials in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, including the the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, including the legal Trade, including the legal division"? 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What, then, is all of my statements in this regard. What, then, is his all of my statements in this regard. What, then, is his response all of my statements in this regard. What, then, is his response to all of my statements in this regard. What, then, is his response to the What, then, is his response to the Auditor-General's What, then, is his response to the Auditor-General's finding What, then, is his response to the Auditor-General's finding that Auditor-General's finding that "there Auditor-General's finding that "there was Auditor-General's finding that "there was no Auditor-General's finding that "there was no assessment Auditor-General's finding that "there was no assessment by Auditor-General's finding that "there was no assessment by ministry "there was no assessment by ministry officials "there was no assessment by ministry officials of "there was no assessment by ministry officials of the "there was no assessment by ministry officials of the substance "there was no assessment by ministry officials of the substance of "there was no assessment by ministry officials of the substance of that officials of the substance of that legal officials of the substance of that legal risk"? officials of the substance of that legal risk"? I officials of the substance of that legal risk"? I agree officials of the substance of that legal risk"? I agree with officials of the substance of that legal risk"? I agree with that legal risk"? I agree with that assessment. legal risk"? I agree with that assessment. I legal risk"? I agree with that assessment. I have legal risk"? I agree with that assessment. I have always legal risk"? I agree with that assessment. I have always been legal risk"? I agree with that assessment. I have always been clear assessment. I have always been clear that, assessment. I have always been clear that, in assessment. I have always been clear that, in relation assessment. I have always been clear that, in relation to assessment. I have always been clear that, in relation to the assessment. I have always been clear that, in relation to the Cabinet that, in relation to the Cabinet paper, that, in relation to the Cabinet paper, that that, in relation to the Cabinet paper, that we that, in relation to the Cabinet paper, that we made that, in relation to the Cabinet paper, that we made no that, in relation to the Cabinet paper, that we made no such that, in relation to the Cabinet paper, that we made no such claim. that, in relation to the Cabinet paper, that we made no such claim. I paper, that we made no such claim. I repeat paper, that we made no such claim. I repeat what paper, that we made no such claim. I repeat what is paper, that we made no such claim. I repeat what is in paper, that we made no such claim. I repeat what is in the paper, that we made no such claim. 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Those would not be a party to those negotiations." Those sentiments would not be a party to those negotiations." Those sentiments are negotiations." Those sentiments are reflected negotiations." Those sentiments are reflected in negotiations." Those sentiments are reflected in the negotiations." Those sentiments are reflected in the report negotiations." Those sentiments are reflected in the report of negotiations." Those sentiments are reflected in the report of the reflected in the report of the Auditor-General. reflected in the report of the Auditor-General. Now reflected in the report of the Auditor-General. Now that reflected in the report of the Auditor-General. Now that the Auditor-General. Now that the Auditor-General's Auditor-General. Now that the Auditor-General's inquiry Auditor-General. Now that the Auditor-General's inquiry is Auditor-General's inquiry is complete, Auditor-General's inquiry is complete, will Auditor-General's inquiry is complete, will he Auditor-General's inquiry is complete, will he now Auditor-General's inquiry is complete, will he now give Auditor-General's inquiry is complete, will he now give us Auditor-General's inquiry is complete, will he now give us his complete, will he now give us his response complete, will he now give us his response to complete, will he now give us his response to claims complete, will he now give us his response to claims made complete, will he now give us his response to claims made by complete, will he now give us his response to claims made by George response to claims made by George Assaf response to claims made by George Assaf on response to claims made by George Assaf on The response to claims made by George Assaf on The Nation response to claims made by George Assaf on The Nation on response to claims made by George Assaf on The Nation on July response to claims made by George Assaf on The Nation on July 3 response to claims made by George Assaf on The Nation on July 3 that Assaf on The Nation on July 3 that he Assaf on The Nation on July 3 that he had Assaf on The Nation on July 3 that he had "no Assaf on The Nation on July 3 that he had "no appetite Assaf on The Nation on July 3 that he had "no appetite or Assaf on The Nation on July 3 that he had "no appetite or intention" Assaf on The Nation on July 3 that he had "no appetite or intention" of he had "no appetite or intention" of ever he had "no appetite or intention" of ever suing he had "no appetite or intention" of ever suing the he had "no appetite or intention" of ever suing the Government he had "no appetite or intention" of ever suing the Government of he had "no appetite or intention" of ever suing the Government of New ever suing the Government of New Zealand? ever suing the Government of New Zealand? 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I'm aware that he - the member and others wish to cast doubt member and others wish to cast doubt on member and others wish to cast doubt on what member and others wish to cast doubt on what has member and others wish to cast doubt on what has been member and others wish to cast doubt on what has been said member and others wish to cast doubt on what has been said in member and others wish to cast doubt on what has been said in that on what has been said in that respect, on what has been said in that respect, and on what has been said in that respect, and I on what has been said in that respect, and I simply on what has been said in that respect, and I simply draw on what has been said in that respect, and I simply draw his respect, and I simply draw his attention respect, and I simply draw his attention to respect, and I simply draw his attention to page respect, and I simply draw his attention to page eight respect, and I simply draw his attention to page eight of respect, and I simply draw his attention to page eight of the attention to page eight of the Auditor-General's attention to page eight of the Auditor-General's report attention to page eight of the Auditor-General's report where, attention to page eight of the Auditor-General's report where, as attention to page eight of the Auditor-General's report where, as a Auditor-General's report where, as a matter Auditor-General's report where, as a matter of Auditor-General's report where, as a matter of fact, Auditor-General's report where, as a matter of fact, the Auditor-General's report where, as a matter of fact, the Auditor-General matter of fact, the Auditor-General found matter of fact, the Auditor-General found "the matter of fact, the Auditor-General found "the Al matter of fact, the Auditor-General found "the Al Khalaf matter of fact, the Auditor-General found "the Al Khalaf Group matter of fact, the Auditor-General found "the Al Khalaf Group indicated found "the Al Khalaf Group indicated that found "the Al Khalaf Group indicated that it found "the Al Khalaf Group indicated that it considered found "the Al Khalaf Group indicated that it considered it found "the Al Khalaf Group indicated that it considered it should found "the Al Khalaf Group indicated that it considered it should be found "the Al Khalaf Group indicated that it considered it should be paid that it considered it should be paid compensation that it considered it should be paid compensation of that it considered it should be paid compensation of $24 that it considered it should be paid compensation of $24 million." that it considered it should be paid compensation of $24 million." Point compensation of $24 million." Point of compensation of $24 million." Point of order, compensation of $24 million." Point of order, Mr compensation of $24 million." Point of order, Mr Speaker. of order, Mr Speaker. Mr of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, my of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, my question of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, my question was of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, my question was whether Mr Speaker, my question was whether Mr Mr Speaker, my question was whether Mr McCully Mr Speaker, my question was whether Mr McCully would Mr Speaker, my question was whether Mr McCully would answer Mr Speaker, my question was whether Mr McCully would answer a Mr Speaker, my question was whether Mr McCully would answer a response Mr McCully would answer a response by Mr McCully would answer a response by - Mr McCully would answer a response by - sorry, Mr McCully would answer a response by - sorry, a Mr McCully would answer a response by - sorry, a claim Mr McCully would answer a response by - sorry, a claim by Mr McCully would answer a response by - sorry, a claim by George Mr McCully would answer a response by - sorry, a claim by George Assaf by - sorry, a claim by George Assaf on by - sorry, a claim by George Assaf on The by - sorry, a claim by George Assaf on The Nation, by - sorry, a claim by George Assaf on The Nation, not by - sorry, a claim by George Assaf on The Nation, not in by - sorry, a claim by George Assaf on The Nation, not in relation by - sorry, a claim by George Assaf on The Nation, not in relation to on The Nation, not in relation to what on The Nation, not in relation to what he on The Nation, not in relation to what he was on The Nation, not in relation to what he was quoting on The Nation, not in relation to what he was quoting from on The Nation, not in relation to what he was quoting from the on The Nation, not in relation to what he was quoting from the report. what he was quoting from the report. 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I think it to give the member the benefit of the doubt. I think it has to give the member the benefit of the doubt. I think it has been the doubt. I think it has been addressed. the doubt. I think it has been addressed. But the doubt. I think it has been addressed. But I the doubt. I think it has been addressed. But I will the doubt. I think it has been addressed. But I will allow the doubt. I think it has been addressed. But I will allow the addressed. But I will allow the member addressed. But I will allow the member to addressed. But I will allow the member to ask addressed. But I will allow the member to ask the addressed. But I will allow the member to ask the question addressed. But I will allow the member to ask the question again addressed. 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I believe that these tools are robust enough to ensure that, are robust enough to ensure that, even are robust enough to ensure that, even if are robust enough to ensure that, even if the are robust enough to ensure that, even if the housing are robust enough to ensure that, even if the housing market are robust enough to ensure that, even if the housing market stops even if the housing market stops rising even if the housing market stops rising and even if the housing market stops rising and if even if the housing market stops rising and if some even if the housing market stops rising and if some households even if the housing market stops rising and if some households come rising and if some households come under rising and if some households come under pressure rising and if some households come under pressure because rising and if some households come under pressure because they rising and if some households come under pressure because they borrowed under pressure because they borrowed a under pressure because they borrowed a lot under pressure because they borrowed a lot at under pressure because they borrowed a lot at the under pressure because they borrowed a lot at the peak under pressure because they borrowed a lot at the peak of under pressure because they borrowed a lot at the peak of the under pressure because they borrowed a lot at the peak of the market, a lot at the peak of the market, that a lot at the peak of the market, that that a lot at the peak of the market, that that does a lot at the peak of the market, that that does not a lot at the peak of the market, that that does not represent a lot at the peak of the market, that that does not represent a that that does not represent a threat that that does not represent a threat to that that does not represent a threat to financial that that does not represent a threat to financial stability. threat to financial stability. In threat to financial stability. In light threat to financial stability. In light of threat to financial stability. In light of that threat to financial stability. In light of that answer, threat to financial stability. In light of that answer, why threat to financial stability. In light of that answer, why then In light of that answer, why then has In light of that answer, why then has the In light of that answer, why then has the Reserve In light of that answer, why then has the Reserve Bank In light of that answer, why then has the Reserve Bank Governor has the Reserve Bank Governor described has the Reserve Bank Governor described inflated has the Reserve Bank Governor described inflated house has the Reserve Bank Governor described inflated house values has the Reserve Bank Governor described inflated house values as has the Reserve Bank Governor described inflated house values as a described inflated house values as a threat described inflated house values as a threat to described inflated house values as a threat to financial described inflated house values as a threat to financial stability described inflated house values as a threat to financial stability in described inflated house values as a threat to financial stability in all threat to financial stability in all of threat to financial stability in all of his threat to financial stability in all of his financial threat to financial stability in all of his financial stability threat to financial stability in all of his financial stability reports of his financial stability reports in of his financial stability reports in recent of his financial stability reports in recent years? in recent years? Well, in recent years? Well, Mr in recent years? Well, Mr Speaker, in recent years? Well, Mr Speaker, I'm in recent years? Well, Mr Speaker, I'm sure in recent years? Well, Mr Speaker, I'm sure that in recent years? 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There's no doubt that Governor has used. There's no doubt that a Governor has used. There's no doubt that a housing Governor has used. There's no doubt that a housing market Governor has used. There's no doubt that a housing market rising Governor has used. There's no doubt that a housing market rising this that a housing market rising this quickly that a housing market rising this quickly can that a housing market rising this quickly can represent that a housing market rising this quickly can represent a that a housing market rising this quickly can represent a risk. that a housing market rising this quickly can represent a risk. That quickly can represent a risk. That risk quickly can represent a risk. That risk is quickly can represent a risk. That risk is being quickly can represent a risk. That risk is being well-managed quickly can represent a risk. That risk is being well-managed by quickly can represent a risk. That risk is being well-managed by the risk is being well-managed by the Reserve risk is being well-managed by the Reserve Bank. risk is being well-managed by the Reserve Bank. And risk is being well-managed by the Reserve Bank. And also risk is being well-managed by the Reserve Bank. And also - risk is being well-managed by the Reserve Bank. And also - most risk is being well-managed by the Reserve Bank. And also - most of Reserve Bank. And also - most of these Reserve Bank. And also - most of these decisions Reserve Bank. And also - most of these decisions are Reserve Bank. And also - most of these decisions are made Reserve Bank. And also - most of these decisions are made by Reserve Bank. And also - most of these decisions are made by New these decisions are made by New Zealanders these decisions are made by New Zealanders who these decisions are made by New Zealanders who run these decisions are made by New Zealanders who run the these decisions are made by New Zealanders who run the risk these decisions are made by New Zealanders who run the risk of Zealanders who run the risk of losing Zealanders who run the risk of losing their Zealanders who run the risk of losing their life Zealanders who run the risk of losing their life savings Zealanders who run the risk of losing their life savings if Zealanders who run the risk of losing their life savings if they losing their life savings if they get losing their life savings if they get it losing their life savings if they get it wrong. losing their life savings if they get it wrong. So, losing their life savings if they get it wrong. So, yes, losing their life savings if they get it wrong. So, yes, it's losing their life savings if they get it wrong. So, yes, it's a losing their life savings if they get it wrong. So, yes, it's a source get it wrong. So, yes, it's a source of get it wrong. So, yes, it's a source of risk. get it wrong. So, yes, it's a source of risk. But get it wrong. So, yes, it's a source of risk. But I get it wrong. So, yes, it's a source of risk. But I don't get it wrong. So, yes, it's a source of risk. But I don't believe get it wrong. So, yes, it's a source of risk. But I don't believe there of risk. But I don't believe there is of risk. But I don't believe there is currently of risk. But I don't believe there is currently a of risk. But I don't believe there is currently a threat of risk. But I don't believe there is currently a threat to of risk. But I don't believe there is currently a threat to financial is currently a threat to financial stability is currently a threat to financial stability from is currently a threat to financial stability from the is currently a threat to financial stability from the housing is currently a threat to financial stability from the housing market. stability from the housing market. What stability from the housing market. What does stability from the housing market. What does it stability from the housing market. What does it say stability from the housing market. What does it say about stability from the housing market. What does it say about the stability from the housing market. What does it say about the balance What does it say about the balance of What does it say about the balance of the What does it say about the balance of the economy What does it say about the balance of the economy under What does it say about the balance of the economy under his What does it say about the balance of the economy under his watch What does it say about the balance of the economy under his watch when of the economy under his watch when the of the economy under his watch when the number of the economy under his watch when the number of of the economy under his watch when the number of renting, of the economy under his watch when the number of renting, hiring of the economy under his watch when the number of renting, hiring and the number of renting, hiring and real the number of renting, hiring and real estate the number of renting, hiring and real estate companies the number of renting, hiring and real estate companies increased the number of renting, hiring and real estate companies increased by real estate companies increased by 11.6% real estate companies increased by 11.6% at real estate companies increased by 11.6% at the real estate companies increased by 11.6% at the same real estate companies increased by 11.6% at the same time real estate companies increased by 11.6% at the same time as real estate companies increased by 11.6% at the same time as the real estate companies increased by 11.6% at the same time as the number 11.6% at the same time as the number of 11.6% at the same time as the number of businesses 11.6% at the same time as the number of businesses in 11.6% at the same time as the number of businesses in productive 11.6% at the same time as the number of businesses in productive parts 11.6% at the same time as the number of businesses in productive parts of of businesses in productive parts of the of businesses in productive parts of the economy, of businesses in productive parts of the economy, such of businesses in productive parts of the economy, such as of businesses in productive parts of the economy, such as IT of businesses in productive parts of the economy, such as IT and the economy, such as IT and manufacturing, the economy, such as IT and manufacturing, were the economy, such as IT and manufacturing, were dropping? manufacturing, were dropping? 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You only have to be a single person to set us that much. You only have to be a single person to set up us that much. You only have to be a single person to set up a us that much. You only have to be a single person to set up a real single person to set up a real estate single person to set up a real estate agency, single person to set up a real estate agency, and single person to set up a real estate agency, and there's single person to set up a real estate agency, and there's been single person to set up a real estate agency, and there's been a estate agency, and there's been a fair estate agency, and there's been a fair bit estate agency, and there's been a fair bit of estate agency, and there's been a fair bit of that estate agency, and there's been a fair bit of that on estate agency, and there's been a fair bit of that on the estate agency, and there's been a fair bit of that on the back estate agency, and there's been a fair bit of that on the back of estate agency, and there's been a fair bit of that on the back of the fair bit of that on the back of the increase fair bit of that on the back of the increase in fair bit of that on the back of the increase in the fair bit of that on the back of the increase in the housing fair bit of that on the back of the increase in the housing market. fair bit of that on the back of the increase in the housing market. You increase in the housing market. You have increase in the housing market. You have to increase in the housing market. You have to be increase in the housing market. You have to be a increase in the housing market. You have to be a larger increase in the housing market. You have to be a larger entity increase in the housing market. You have to be a larger entity to have to be a larger entity to survive have to be a larger entity to survive in have to be a larger entity to survive in manufacturing have to be a larger entity to survive in manufacturing or have to be a larger entity to survive in manufacturing or IT. have to be a larger entity to survive in manufacturing or IT. The survive in manufacturing or IT. The fact survive in manufacturing or IT. The fact is survive in manufacturing or IT. The fact is that survive in manufacturing or IT. The fact is that we survive in manufacturing or IT. The fact is that we have survive in manufacturing or IT. The fact is that we have record-low fact is that we have record-low interest fact is that we have record-low interest rates, fact is that we have record-low interest rates, strong fact is that we have record-low interest rates, strong population interest rates, strong population growth, interest rates, strong population growth, and interest rates, strong population growth, and therefore interest rates, strong population growth, and therefore strong interest rates, strong population growth, and therefore strong demand growth, and therefore strong demand for growth, and therefore strong demand for housing. growth, and therefore strong demand for housing. This growth, and therefore strong demand for housing. This is growth, and therefore strong demand for housing. This is a growth, and therefore strong demand for housing. This is a challenge growth, and therefore strong demand for housing. This is a challenge of for housing. This is a challenge of growth for housing. This is a challenge of growth and, for housing. This is a challenge of growth and, fortunately, for housing. This is a challenge of growth and, fortunately, the for housing. This is a challenge of growth and, fortunately, the New growth and, fortunately, the New Zealand growth and, fortunately, the New Zealand economy growth and, fortunately, the New Zealand economy is growth and, fortunately, the New Zealand economy is reacting growth and, fortunately, the New Zealand economy is reacting to growth and, fortunately, the New Zealand economy is reacting to it Zealand economy is reacting to it with Zealand economy is reacting to it with resilience. Zealand economy is reacting to it with resilience. In Zealand economy is reacting to it with resilience. In time, Zealand economy is reacting to it with resilience. In time, the with resilience. In time, the housing with resilience. In time, the housing market with resilience. In time, the housing market will with resilience. In time, the housing market will run with resilience. In time, the housing market will run through with resilience. In time, the housing market will run through and housing market will run through and capital housing market will run through and capital will housing market will run through and capital will flow housing market will run through and capital will flow to housing market will run through and capital will flow to other housing market will run through and capital will flow to other parts housing market will run through and capital will flow to other parts of capital will flow to other parts of the capital will flow to other parts of the economy. capital will flow to other parts of the economy. How capital will flow to other parts of the economy. How does capital will flow to other parts of the economy. How does he capital will flow to other parts of the economy. How does he think the economy. How does he think imbalances the economy. How does he think imbalances in the economy. How does he think imbalances in the the economy. How does he think imbalances in the economy the economy. How does he think imbalances in the economy will imbalances in the economy will improve imbalances in the economy will improve when, imbalances in the economy will improve when, according imbalances in the economy will improve when, according to improve when, according to statistics improve when, according to statistics New improve when, according to statistics New Zealand's improve when, according to statistics New Zealand's latest statistics New Zealand's latest business statistics New Zealand's latest business demography statistics New Zealand's latest business demography release, statistics New Zealand's latest business demography release, there business demography release, there were business demography release, there were fewer business demography release, there were fewer new business demography release, there were fewer new businesses business demography release, there were fewer new businesses created business demography release, there were fewer new businesses created in were fewer new businesses created in New were fewer new businesses created in New Zealand were fewer new businesses created in New Zealand this were fewer new businesses created in New Zealand this year were fewer new businesses created in New Zealand this year than were fewer new businesses created in New Zealand this year than last New Zealand this year than last year, New Zealand this year than last year, and New Zealand this year than last year, and that New Zealand this year than last year, and that the New Zealand this year than last year, and that the number New Zealand this year than last year, and that the number of New Zealand this year than last year, and that the number of new year, and that the number of new businesses year, and that the number of new businesses created year, and that the number of new businesses created in year, and that the number of new businesses created in the year, and that the number of new businesses created in the last year, and that the number of new businesses created in the last year businesses created in the last year is businesses created in the last year is 6% businesses created in the last year is 6% lower businesses created in the last year is 6% lower than businesses created in the last year is 6% lower than in businesses created in the last year is 6% lower than in 2008? is 6% lower than in 2008? Well, is 6% lower than in 2008? Well, Mr is 6% lower than in 2008? Well, Mr Speaker, is 6% lower than in 2008? Well, Mr Speaker, of is 6% lower than in 2008? Well, Mr Speaker, of course is 6% lower than in 2008? 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But if the what you think that might mean. But if the member what you think that might mean. But if the member is what you think that might mean. But if the member is looking what you think that might mean. But if the member is looking for if the member is looking for indications if the member is looking for indications of if the member is looking for indications of balance if the member is looking for indications of balance in if the member is looking for indications of balance in the indications of balance in the economy, indications of balance in the economy, then indications of balance in the economy, then he indications of balance in the economy, then he might indications of balance in the economy, then he might note indications of balance in the economy, then he might note that economy, then he might note that what economy, then he might note that what is economy, then he might note that what is often economy, then he might note that what is often regarded economy, then he might note that what is often regarded as economy, then he might note that what is often regarded as a economy, then he might note that what is often regarded as a measure what is often regarded as a measure of what is often regarded as a measure of imbalance what is often regarded as a measure of imbalance - what is often regarded as a measure of imbalance - the what is often regarded as a measure of imbalance - the current what is often regarded as a measure of imbalance - the current account of imbalance - the current account deficit of imbalance - the current account deficit - of imbalance - the current account deficit - is of imbalance - the current account deficit - is now of imbalance - the current account deficit - is now running of imbalance - the current account deficit - is now running at of imbalance - the current account deficit - is now running at around deficit - is now running at around the deficit - is now running at around the rate deficit - is now running at around the rate of deficit - is now running at around the rate of GDP deficit - is now running at around the rate of GDP growth, deficit - is now running at around the rate of GDP growth, which, deficit - is now running at around the rate of GDP growth, which, after the rate of GDP growth, which, after 30 the rate of GDP growth, which, after 30 or the rate of GDP growth, which, after 30 or 40 the rate of GDP growth, which, after 30 or 40 years the rate of GDP growth, which, after 30 or 40 years of the rate of GDP growth, which, after 30 or 40 years of fairly the rate of GDP growth, which, after 30 or 40 years of fairly significant 30 or 40 years of fairly significant imbalance, 30 or 40 years of fairly significant imbalance, actually 30 or 40 years of fairly significant imbalance, actually shows 30 or 40 years of fairly significant imbalance, actually shows that 30 or 40 years of fairly significant imbalance, actually shows that this imbalance, actually shows that this economy imbalance, actually shows that this economy is imbalance, actually shows that this economy is becoming imbalance, actually shows that this economy is becoming a imbalance, actually shows that this economy is becoming a bit imbalance, actually shows that this economy is becoming a bit more economy is becoming a bit more balanced economy is becoming a bit more balanced - economy is becoming a bit more balanced - gradually, economy is becoming a bit more balanced - gradually, over economy is becoming a bit more balanced - gradually, over time, economy is becoming a bit more balanced - gradually, over time, as balanced - gradually, over time, as measured balanced - gradually, over time, as measured by balanced - gradually, over time, as measured by the balanced - gradually, over time, as measured by the current balanced - gradually, over time, as measured by the current account measured by the current account deficit. deficit. Is deficit. Is it deficit. Is it correct deficit. Is it correct that, deficit. Is it correct that, since deficit. Is it correct that, since the Is it correct that, since the beginning Is it correct that, since the beginning of Is it correct that, since the beginning of 2012, Is it correct that, since the beginning of 2012, that Is it correct that, since the beginning of 2012, that real beginning of 2012, that real GDP-per-hour beginning of 2012, that real GDP-per-hour figures beginning of 2012, that real GDP-per-hour figures show beginning of 2012, that real GDP-per-hour figures show that beginning of 2012, that real GDP-per-hour figures show that we GDP-per-hour figures show that we have GDP-per-hour figures show that we have had GDP-per-hour figures show that we have had no GDP-per-hour figures show that we have had no productivity GDP-per-hour figures show that we have had no productivity growth GDP-per-hour figures show that we have had no productivity growth at have had no productivity growth at all, have had no productivity growth at all, and have had no productivity growth at all, and it have had no productivity growth at all, and it has have had no productivity growth at all, and it has in have had no productivity growth at all, and it has in fact have had no productivity growth at all, and it has in fact started have had no productivity growth at all, and it has in fact started to all, and it has in fact started to decline all, and it has in fact started to decline in all, and it has in fact started to decline in 2016? all, and it has in fact started to decline in 2016? We've all, and it has in fact started to decline in 2016? We've discussed all, and it has in fact started to decline in 2016? We've discussed at decline in 2016? We've discussed at some decline in 2016? We've discussed at some length decline in 2016? We've discussed at some length in decline in 2016? We've discussed at some length in the decline in 2016? We've discussed at some length in the House decline in 2016? We've discussed at some length in the House here some length in the House here measures some length in the House here measures around some length in the House here measures around per-capita some length in the House here measures around per-capita GDP some length in the House here measures around per-capita GDP or measures around per-capita GDP or per-capita measures around per-capita GDP or per-capita productivity. measures around per-capita GDP or per-capita productivity. The measures around per-capita GDP or per-capita productivity. The fact measures around per-capita GDP or per-capita productivity. The fact is per-capita productivity. The fact is that per-capita productivity. The fact is that New per-capita productivity. The fact is that New Zealand per-capita productivity. The fact is that New Zealand is per-capita productivity. The fact is that New Zealand is going per-capita productivity. The fact is that New Zealand is going through per-capita productivity. The fact is that New Zealand is going through a that New Zealand is going through a pretty that New Zealand is going through a pretty substantial that New Zealand is going through a pretty substantial population pretty substantial population growth. pretty substantial population growth. <INTERRUPTION> growth. <INTERRUPTION> At growth. <INTERRUPTION> At the growth. <INTERRUPTION> At the same growth. <INTERRUPTION> At the same time, growth. <INTERRUPTION> At the same time, it's growth. <INTERRUPTION> At the same time, it's got growth. <INTERRUPTION> At the same time, it's got rapid At the same time, it's got rapid growth At the same time, it's got rapid growth in At the same time, it's got rapid growth in tourism, At the same time, it's got rapid growth in tourism, which At the same time, it's got rapid growth in tourism, which tends At the same time, it's got rapid growth in tourism, which tends to growth in tourism, which tends to have growth in tourism, which tends to have lower-paid growth in tourism, which tends to have lower-paid and growth in tourism, which tends to have lower-paid and is growth in tourism, which tends to have lower-paid and is a growth in tourism, which tends to have lower-paid and is a lower have lower-paid and is a lower productivity have lower-paid and is a lower productivity sector, have lower-paid and is a lower productivity sector, so have lower-paid and is a lower productivity sector, so it's have lower-paid and is a lower productivity sector, so it's not productivity sector, so it's not surprising productivity sector, so it's not surprising that, productivity sector, so it's not surprising that, in productivity sector, so it's not surprising that, in this productivity sector, so it's not surprising that, in this phase, surprising that, in this phase, we've surprising that, in this phase, we've got surprising that, in this phase, we've got relatively surprising that, in this phase, we've got relatively low surprising that, in this phase, we've got relatively low per-capita we've got relatively low per-capita growth we've got relatively low per-capita growth compared we've got relatively low per-capita growth compared to we've got relatively low per-capita growth compared to some we've got relatively low per-capita growth compared to some parts we've got relatively low per-capita growth compared to some parts of growth compared to some parts of history. growth compared to some parts of history. But growth compared to some parts of history. But recent growth compared to some parts of history. But recent figures growth compared to some parts of history. But recent figures show growth compared to some parts of history. But recent figures show it history. But recent figures show it picking history. But recent figures show it picking up. history. But recent figures show it picking up. And history. But recent figures show it picking up. And in history. But recent figures show it picking up. And in an history. But recent figures show it picking up. And in an economy picking up. And in an economy growing picking up. And in an economy growing at picking up. And in an economy growing at over picking up. And in an economy growing at over 3.5%, picking up. And in an economy growing at over 3.5%, one picking up. And in an economy growing at over 3.5%, one of picking up. And in an economy growing at over 3.5%, one of the growing at over 3.5%, one of the fastest growing at over 3.5%, one of the fastest in growing at over 3.5%, one of the fastest in the growing at over 3.5%, one of the fastest in the developed growing at over 3.5%, one of the fastest in the developed world, growing at over 3.5%, one of the fastest in the developed world, I fastest in the developed world, I think fastest in the developed world, I think the fastest in the developed world, I think the outlook's fastest in the developed world, I think the outlook's pretty fastest in the developed world, I think the outlook's pretty positive. think the outlook's pretty positive. Isn't think the outlook's pretty positive. Isn't it think the outlook's pretty positive. Isn't it actually think the outlook's pretty positive. Isn't it actually the think the outlook's pretty positive. Isn't it actually the case think the outlook's pretty positive. 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I also agree, Government must align on transport." I also agree, Mr Government must align on transport." I also agree, Mr Speaker, Government must align on transport." I also agree, Mr Speaker, with I also agree, Mr Speaker, with Brown, I also agree, Mr Speaker, with Brown, who I also agree, Mr Speaker, with Brown, who says I also agree, Mr Speaker, with Brown, who says it I also agree, Mr Speaker, with Brown, who says it needs I also agree, Mr Speaker, with Brown, who says it needs to I also agree, Mr Speaker, with Brown, who says it needs to put Brown, who says it needs to put aside Brown, who says it needs to put aside politics, Brown, who says it needs to put aside politics, agree Brown, who says it needs to put aside politics, agree the Brown, who says it needs to put aside politics, agree the facts, aside politics, agree the facts, design aside politics, agree the facts, design the aside politics, agree the facts, design the responses aside politics, agree the facts, design the responses and aside politics, agree the facts, design the responses and jointly design the responses and jointly deliver design the responses and jointly deliver transport design the responses and jointly deliver transport investment design the responses and jointly deliver transport investment across deliver transport investment across Auckland. Auckland. Order! Auckland. Order! Supplementary. Auckland. Order! Supplementary. Order! Order! Supplementary. Order! Supplementary Order! Supplementary. Order! Supplementary question, Order! Supplementary. Order! Supplementary question, Phil Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can he Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can he confirm Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can he confirm that Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can he confirm that the Twyford. Can he confirm that the Auckland Twyford. Can he confirm that the Auckland Regional Twyford. Can he confirm that the Auckland Regional Fuel Twyford. Can he confirm that the Auckland Regional Fuel Tax, Auckland Regional Fuel Tax, abolished Auckland Regional Fuel Tax, abolished by Auckland Regional Fuel Tax, abolished by his Auckland Regional Fuel Tax, abolished by his Government, Auckland Regional Fuel Tax, abolished by his Government, would abolished by his Government, would have abolished by his Government, would have raised abolished by his Government, would have raised more abolished by his Government, would have raised more than abolished by his Government, would have raised more than $900 abolished by his Government, would have raised more than $900 million have raised more than $900 million by have raised more than $900 million by now, have raised more than $900 million by now, and have raised more than $900 million by now, and if have raised more than $900 million by now, and if his have raised more than $900 million by now, and if his Government have raised more than $900 million by now, and if his Government hadn't by now, and if his Government hadn't spent by now, and if his Government hadn't spent the by now, and if his Government hadn't spent the last by now, and if his Government hadn't spent the last five by now, and if his Government hadn't spent the last five years by now, and if his Government hadn't spent the last five years rejecting spent the last five years rejecting Auckland spent the last five years rejecting Auckland Council's spent the last five years rejecting Auckland Council's proposals spent the last five years rejecting Auckland Council's proposals for Auckland Council's proposals for revenue Auckland Council's proposals for revenue generation, Auckland Council's proposals for revenue generation, there Auckland Council's proposals for revenue generation, there would Auckland Council's proposals for revenue generation, there would be revenue generation, there would be enough revenue generation, there would be enough money revenue generation, there would be enough money in revenue generation, there would be enough money in the revenue generation, there would be enough money in the fund revenue generation, there would be enough money in the fund to revenue generation, there would be enough money in the fund to build enough money in the fund to build light enough money in the fund to build light rail enough money in the fund to build light rail now? enough money in the fund to build light rail now? On enough money in the fund to build light rail now? On behalf enough money in the fund to build light rail now? On behalf of enough money in the fund to build light rail now? On behalf of the light rail now? On behalf of the Minister, light rail now? On behalf of the Minister, on light rail now? On behalf of the Minister, on the light rail now? On behalf of the Minister, on the contrary, light rail now? On behalf of the Minister, on the contrary, Mr Minister, on the contrary, Mr Speaker, Minister, on the contrary, Mr Speaker, the Minister, on the contrary, Mr Speaker, the funds Minister, on the contrary, Mr Speaker, the funds raised Minister, on the contrary, Mr Speaker, the funds raised from Minister, on the contrary, Mr Speaker, the funds raised from the Speaker, the funds raised from the excise Speaker, the funds raised from the excise across Speaker, the funds raised from the excise across Auckland, Speaker, the funds raised from the excise across Auckland, excise excise across Auckland, excise duties excise across Auckland, excise duties across excise across Auckland, excise duties across Auckland excise across Auckland, excise duties across Auckland have excise across Auckland, excise duties across Auckland have been duties across Auckland have been used duties across Auckland have been used and duties across Auckland have been used and poured duties across Auckland have been used and poured into duties across Auckland have been used and poured into the duties across Auckland have been used and poured into the roading used and poured into the roading infrastructure used and poured into the roading infrastructure across used and poured into the roading infrastructure across Auckland, infrastructure across Auckland, multibillion infrastructure across Auckland, multibillion investment. infrastructure across Auckland, multibillion investment. 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Government. Order! Government. Order! Supplementary Government. Order! Supplementary question, Government. Order! Supplementary question, Phil Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can he Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can he name Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can he name one Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Can he name one new Twyford. Can he name one new significant Twyford. Can he name one new significant piece Twyford. Can he name one new significant piece of Twyford. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Trade: Minister of Trade: Why Minister of Trade: Why is Minister of Trade: Why is he Minister of Trade: Why is he advancing Why is he advancing the Why is he advancing the Trans-Pacific Why is he advancing the Trans-Pacific Partnership the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement, Agreement, when Agreement, when it Agreement, when it is Agreement, when it is widely Agreement, when it is widely reported when it is widely reported that when it is widely reported that the when it is widely reported that the agreement that the agreement will that the agreement will not that the agreement will not get that the agreement will not get through that the agreement will not get through the that the agreement will not get through the US that the agreement will not get through the US Congress will not get through the US Congress this will not get through the US Congress this year this year and this year and countries this year and countries like this year and countries like Canada, and countries like Canada, Australia, and countries like Canada, Australia, and and countries like Canada, Australia, and Vietnam Australia, and Vietnam have Australia, and Vietnam have delayed have delayed their have delayed their ratification have delayed their ratification processes? The The Hon The Hon Christopher The Hon Christopher Finlayson. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Yes, The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Yes, on The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Yes, on behalf The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Yes, on behalf of The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Yes, on behalf of the The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Yes, on behalf of the Minister The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Yes, on behalf of the Minister of The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Yes, on behalf of the Minister of Trade, on behalf of the Minister of Trade, because on behalf of the Minister of Trade, because ratification on behalf of the Minister of Trade, because ratification is on behalf of the Minister of Trade, because ratification is actually on behalf of the Minister of Trade, because ratification is actually in because ratification is actually in New because ratification is actually in New Zealand's because ratification is actually in New Zealand's best because ratification is actually in New Zealand's best interests, because ratification is actually in New Zealand's best interests, and because ratification is actually in New Zealand's best interests, and I New Zealand's best interests, and I note New Zealand's best interests, and I note the New Zealand's best interests, and I note the question New Zealand's best interests, and I note the question talks New Zealand's best interests, and I note the question talks about New Zealand's best interests, and I note the question talks about things note the question talks about things being note the question talks about things being widely note the question talks about things being widely reported. note the question talks about things being widely reported. 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Does the Minister agree with Nobel Economics Prize winner Coates. 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A well-regulated environment where the well-regulated environment where the laws well-regulated environment where the laws are well-regulated environment where the laws are properly well-regulated environment where the laws are properly enforced well-regulated environment where the laws are properly enforced by well-regulated environment where the laws are properly enforced by a laws are properly enforced by a capable laws are properly enforced by a capable and laws are properly enforced by a capable and effective laws are properly enforced by a capable and effective regulator capable and effective regulator generates capable and effective regulator generates benefits capable and effective regulator generates benefits for capable and effective regulator generates benefits for all capable and effective regulator generates benefits for all financial generates benefits for all financial markets' generates benefits for all financial markets' participants, generates benefits for all financial markets' participants, including markets' participants, including financial markets' participants, including financial service markets' participants, including financial service providers, financial service providers, investors financial service providers, investors and, financial service providers, investors and, most financial service providers, investors and, most importantly financial service providers, investors and, most importantly of investors and, most importantly of all, investors and, most importantly of all, consumers. investors and, most importantly of all, consumers. Question investors and, most importantly of all, consumers. Question No. investors and, most importantly of all, consumers. Question No. 12 investors and, most importantly of all, consumers. Question No. 12 - all, consumers. Question No. 12 - Barbara all, consumers. Question No. 12 - Barbara Stewart. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for ACC: Minister for ACC: Is Minister for ACC: Is he Minister for ACC: Is he satisfied Minister for ACC: Is he satisfied that Minister for ACC: Is he satisfied that clients Is he satisfied that clients are Is he satisfied that clients are receiving are receiving a are receiving a good are receiving a good standard are receiving a good standard of are receiving a good standard of care a good standard of care from a good standard of care from ACC a good standard of care from ACC providers? The The Hon The Hon Nathan The Hon Nathan Guy. The Hon Nathan Guy. Yes. Yes. Supplementary Yes. Supplementary question, Yes. Supplementary question, Barbara Supplementary question, Barbara Stewart. Stewart. Is Stewart. Is it Stewart. Is it acceptable Stewart. Is it acceptable for Stewart. Is it acceptable for ACC Stewart. Is it acceptable for ACC to Stewart. Is it acceptable for ACC to force Is it acceptable for ACC to force clients Is it acceptable for ACC to force clients to Is it acceptable for ACC to force clients to receive Is it acceptable for ACC to force clients to receive a Is it acceptable for ACC to force clients to receive a poor Is it acceptable for ACC to force clients to receive a poor standard clients to receive a poor standard of clients to receive a poor standard of care clients to receive a poor standard of care from clients to receive a poor standard of care from the clients to receive a poor standard of care from the New clients to receive a poor standard of care from the New Zealand of care from the New Zealand Artificial of care from the New Zealand Artificial Limbs of care from the New Zealand Artificial Limbs Service, of care from the New Zealand Artificial Limbs Service, his Artificial Limbs Service, his agency's Artificial Limbs Service, his agency's preferred Artificial Limbs Service, his agency's preferred supplier? 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They are, indeed, the sole provider. a key supplier to ACC. They are, indeed, the sole provider. Clients indeed, the sole provider. Clients can indeed, the sole provider. Clients can request indeed, the sole provider. Clients can request to indeed, the sole provider. Clients can request to use indeed, the sole provider. Clients can request to use other indeed, the sole provider. Clients can request to use other providers can request to use other providers on can request to use other providers on a can request to use other providers on a case-by-case can request to use other providers on a case-by-case basis. on a case-by-case basis. Is on a case-by-case basis. Is it on a case-by-case basis. Is it acceptable on a case-by-case basis. Is it acceptable that, on a case-by-case basis. Is it acceptable that, after on a case-by-case basis. Is it acceptable that, after 208 Is it acceptable that, after 208 visits, Is it acceptable that, after 208 visits, one Is it acceptable that, after 208 visits, one amputee Is it acceptable that, after 208 visits, one amputee did Is it acceptable that, after 208 visits, one amputee did not Is it acceptable that, after 208 visits, one amputee did not receive visits, one amputee did not receive a visits, one amputee did not receive a leg visits, one amputee did not receive a leg that visits, one amputee did not receive a leg that she visits, one amputee did not receive a leg that she could visits, one amputee did not receive a leg that she could walk visits, one amputee did not receive a leg that she could walk on, visits, one amputee did not receive a leg that she could walk on, and a leg that she could walk on, and subsequently a leg that she could walk on, and subsequently caused a leg that she could walk on, and subsequently caused her a leg that she could walk on, and subsequently caused her a a leg that she could walk on, and subsequently caused her a permanent subsequently caused her a permanent injury subsequently caused her a permanent injury from subsequently caused her a permanent injury from the subsequently caused her a permanent injury from the limbs subsequently caused her a permanent injury from the limbs provided subsequently caused her a permanent injury from the limbs provided by injury from the limbs provided by the injury from the limbs provided by the New injury from the limbs provided by the New Zealand injury from the limbs provided by the New Zealand Artificial injury from the limbs provided by the New Zealand Artificial Limbs the New Zealand Artificial Limbs Service? the New Zealand Artificial Limbs Service? Unfortunately, the New Zealand Artificial Limbs Service? Unfortunately, I the New Zealand Artificial Limbs Service? Unfortunately, I can't Service? Unfortunately, I can't substantiate Service? Unfortunately, I can't substantiate the Service? Unfortunately, I can't substantiate the claims Service? Unfortunately, I can't substantiate the claims that Service? Unfortunately, I can't substantiate the claims that the substantiate the claims that the member substantiate the claims that the member is substantiate the claims that the member is making substantiate the claims that the member is making on substantiate the claims that the member is making on behalf substantiate the claims that the member is making on behalf of substantiate the claims that the member is making on behalf of the member is making on behalf of the individual member is making on behalf of the individual concerned. member is making on behalf of the individual concerned. 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What I can say is that ACC meets with key suppliers is that ACC meets with key suppliers on is that ACC meets with key suppliers on a is that ACC meets with key suppliers on a monthly is that ACC meets with key suppliers on a monthly basis is that ACC meets with key suppliers on a monthly basis to is that ACC meets with key suppliers on a monthly basis to discuss is that ACC meets with key suppliers on a monthly basis to discuss areas on a monthly basis to discuss areas such on a monthly basis to discuss areas such as on a monthly basis to discuss areas such as their on a monthly basis to discuss areas such as their performance, on a monthly basis to discuss areas such as their performance, their such as their performance, their service such as their performance, their service delivery, such as their performance, their service delivery, and such as their performance, their service delivery, and their such as their performance, their service delivery, and their contract service delivery, and their contract management. service delivery, and their contract management. 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Where a complaint is received about a provider's received about a provider's performance, received about a provider's performance, ACC received about a provider's performance, ACC engages received about a provider's performance, ACC engages with received about a provider's performance, ACC engages with the performance, ACC engages with the identified performance, ACC engages with the identified provider performance, ACC engages with the identified provider to performance, ACC engages with the identified provider to investigate identified provider to investigate the identified provider to investigate the complaint identified provider to investigate the complaint and identified provider to investigate the complaint and the identified provider to investigate the complaint and the cause, identified provider to investigate the complaint and the cause, and identified provider to investigate the complaint and the cause, and how the complaint and the cause, and how it the complaint and the cause, and how it can the complaint and the cause, and how it can be the complaint and the cause, and how it can be resolved. it can be resolved. If it can be resolved. If clients it can be resolved. If clients are it can be resolved. If clients are entitled it can be resolved. If clients are entitled to it can be resolved. If clients are entitled to "a it can be resolved. If clients are entitled to "a second If clients are entitled to "a second opinion If clients are entitled to "a second opinion from If clients are entitled to "a second opinion from an If clients are entitled to "a second opinion from an independently opinion from an independently appropriately opinion from an independently appropriately qualified opinion from an independently appropriately qualified process appropriately qualified process thesest, appropriately qualified process thesest, as appropriately qualified process thesest, as stated appropriately qualified process thesest, as stated on appropriately qualified process thesest, as stated on ACC's appropriately qualified process thesest, as stated on ACC's website, thesest, as stated on ACC's website, why thesest, as stated on ACC's website, why are thesest, as stated on ACC's website, why are requests thesest, as stated on ACC's website, why are requests for thesest, as stated on ACC's website, why are requests for second thesest, as stated on ACC's website, why are requests for second opinions why are requests for second opinions being why are requests for second opinions being refused? why are requests for second opinions being refused? I'd why are requests for second opinions being refused? I'd have why are requests for second opinions being refused? I'd have to why are requests for second opinions being refused? I'd have to go why are requests for second opinions being refused? I'd have to go and being refused? I'd have to go and away being refused? I'd have to go and away and being refused? I'd have to go and away and get being refused? I'd have to go and away and get some being refused? I'd have to go and away and get some advice being refused? I'd have to go and away and get some advice on being refused? I'd have to go and away and get some advice on that. being refused? I'd have to go and away and get some advice on that. I away and get some advice on that. I can't away and get some advice on that. I can't substantiate away and get some advice on that. I can't substantiate the away and get some advice on that. I can't substantiate the claims away and get some advice on that. 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Has ACC issued a directive to case Has ACC issued a directive to case managers Has ACC issued a directive to case managers to Has ACC issued a directive to case managers to not Has ACC issued a directive to case managers to not fund Has ACC issued a directive to case managers to not fund visits Has ACC issued a directive to case managers to not fund visits to managers to not fund visits to Orthopro managers to not fund visits to Orthopro and, managers to not fund visits to Orthopro and, if managers to not fund visits to Orthopro and, if so, managers to not fund visits to Orthopro and, if so, why managers to not fund visits to Orthopro and, if so, why is managers to not fund visits to Orthopro and, if so, why is ACC Orthopro and, if so, why is ACC still Orthopro and, if so, why is ACC still backing Orthopro and, if so, why is ACC still backing a Orthopro and, if so, why is ACC still backing a provider Orthopro and, if so, why is ACC still backing a provider that Orthopro and, if so, why is ACC still backing a provider that has still backing a provider that has been still backing a provider that has been found still backing a provider that has been found to still backing a provider that has been found to have still backing a provider that has been found to have defrauded still backing a provider that has been found to have defrauded them still backing a provider that has been found to have defrauded them of been found to have defrauded them of at been found to have defrauded them of at least been found to have defrauded them of at least $47,000? been found to have defrauded them of at least $47,000? 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I'll be taking the member at her word I'm unaware of that. I'll be taking the member at her word and I'm unaware of that. I'll be taking the member at her word and in I'm unaware of that. I'll be taking the member at her word and in good the member at her word and in good faith. the member at her word and in good faith. Very the member at her word and in good faith. Very happy the member at her word and in good faith. Very happy to the member at her word and in good faith. Very happy to have the member at her word and in good faith. Very happy to have the faith. Very happy to have the conversation faith. Very happy to have the conversation with faith. Very happy to have the conversation with the faith. Very happy to have the conversation with the member. faith. Very happy to have the conversation with the member. Would conversation with the member. Would appreciate conversation with the member. Would appreciate her conversation with the member. Would appreciate her giving conversation with the member. Would appreciate her giving me conversation with the member. Would appreciate her giving me the appreciate her giving me the information appreciate her giving me the information so appreciate her giving me the information so I appreciate her giving me the information so I can appreciate her giving me the information so I can follow appreciate her giving me the information so I can follow it appreciate her giving me the information so I can follow it up. information so I can follow it up. We information so I can follow it up. We move information so I can follow it up. We move now information so I can follow it up. We move now to information so I can follow it up. We move now to questions information so I can follow it up. We move now to questions to information so I can follow it up. We move now to questions to members. We move now to questions to members. Question We move now to questions to members. Question No. We move now to questions to members. Question No. 1 We move now to questions to members. Question No. 1 - We move now to questions to members. Question No. 1 - the We move now to questions to members. Question No. 1 - the Hon We move now to questions to members. Question No. 1 - the Hon David Question No. 1 - the Hon David Parker Question No. 1 - the Hon David Parker and, Question No. 1 - the Hon David Parker and, I Question No. 1 - the Hon David Parker and, I understand, Question No. 1 - the Hon David Parker and, I understand, Dr Question No. 1 - the Hon David Parker and, I understand, Dr Megan Parker and, I understand, Dr Megan Woods Parker and, I understand, Dr Megan Woods will Parker and, I understand, Dr Megan Woods will be Parker and, I understand, Dr Megan Woods will be asking Parker and, I understand, Dr Megan Woods will be asking the Parker and, I understand, Dr Megan Woods will be asking the question. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Chairperson My question is to the Chairperson of My question is to the Chairperson of the My question is to the Chairperson of the Local My question is to the Chairperson of the Local Government of the Local Government and of the Local Government and Environment of the Local Government and Environment Committee: and Environment Committee: How and Environment Committee: How many and Environment Committee: How many submitters and Environment Committee: How many submitters were and Environment Committee: How many submitters were heard How many submitters were heard on How many submitters were heard on the How many submitters were heard on the Resource How many submitters were heard on the Resource Legislation on the Resource Legislation Amendment on the Resource Legislation Amendment Bill, Amendment Bill, referred Amendment Bill, referred to Amendment Bill, referred to the Amendment Bill, referred to the Local Amendment Bill, referred to the Local Government referred to the Local Government and referred to the Local Government and Environment referred to the Local Government and Environment Committee and Environment Committee on and Environment Committee on 3 and Environment Committee on 3 December and Environment Committee on 3 December 2015, on 3 December 2015, and on 3 December 2015, and when on 3 December 2015, and when were on 3 December 2015, and when were those and when were those submissions and when were those submissions heard? Scott Scott Simpson. Scott Simpson. Mr Scott Simpson. Mr Speaker, Scott Simpson. Mr Speaker, the Scott Simpson. Mr Speaker, the committee Scott Simpson. Mr Speaker, the committee has Scott Simpson. Mr Speaker, the committee has heard Mr Speaker, the committee has heard from Mr Speaker, the committee has heard from 160 Mr Speaker, the committee has heard from 160 submitters Mr Speaker, the committee has heard from 160 submitters on Mr Speaker, the committee has heard from 160 submitters on the Mr Speaker, the committee has heard from 160 submitters on the Resource from 160 submitters on the Resource Legislation from 160 submitters on the Resource Legislation Amendment from 160 submitters on the Resource Legislation Amendment Bill, from 160 submitters on the Resource Legislation Amendment Bill, and from 160 submitters on the Resource Legislation Amendment Bill, and they Legislation Amendment Bill, and they were Legislation Amendment Bill, and they were heard Legislation Amendment Bill, and they were heard in Legislation Amendment Bill, and they were heard in the Legislation Amendment Bill, and they were heard in the course Legislation Amendment Bill, and they were heard in the course of Legislation Amendment Bill, and they were heard in the course of 11 were heard in the course of 11 meetings were heard in the course of 11 meetings of were heard in the course of 11 meetings of the were heard in the course of 11 meetings of the committee were heard in the course of 11 meetings of the committee held meetings of the committee held during meetings of the committee held during April, meetings of the committee held during April, May meetings of the committee held during April, May and meetings of the committee held during April, May and June meetings of the committee held during April, May and June of meetings of the committee held during April, May and June of this during April, May and June of this year. during April, May and June of this year. Is during April, May and June of this year. Is the during April, May and June of this year. Is the bill during April, May and June of this year. Is the bill due during April, May and June of this year. Is the bill due back during April, May and June of this year. Is the bill due back in during April, May and June of this year. Is the bill due back in the year. Is the bill due back in the House year. Is the bill due back in the House on year. Is the bill due back in the House on Monday, year. Is the bill due back in the House on Monday, 7 year. Is the bill due back in the House on Monday, 7 November year. Is the bill due back in the House on Monday, 7 November 2016? House on Monday, 7 November 2016? Yes. Yes. Question Yes. Question No. Yes. Question No. 2 Yes. Question No. 2 - Yes. Question No. 2 - Dr Yes. Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Yes. Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Woods Yes. Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Woods on Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Woods on behalf Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Woods on behalf of Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Woods on behalf of the Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Woods on behalf of the Hon Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Woods on behalf of the Hon David Question No. 2 - Dr Megan Woods on behalf of the Hon David Parker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Chairperson My question is to the Chairperson of My question is to the Chairperson of the My question is to the Chairperson of the Local My question is to the Chairperson of the Local Government of the Local Government and of the Local Government and Environment of the Local Government and Environment Committee: and Environment Committee: Has and Environment Committee: Has he, and Environment Committee: Has he, as and Environment Committee: Has he, as Chair, Has he, as Chair, put Has he, as Chair, put on Has he, as Chair, put on the Has he, as Chair, put on the agenda put on the agenda the put on the agenda the giving put on the agenda the giving of put on the agenda the giving of complete the giving of complete drafting the giving of complete drafting instructions drafting instructions to drafting instructions to the drafting instructions to the Parliamentary drafting instructions to the Parliamentary Counsel drafting instructions to the Parliamentary Counsel Office to the Parliamentary Counsel Office on to the Parliamentary Counsel Office on the to the Parliamentary Counsel Office on the Resource to the Parliamentary Counsel Office on the Resource Legislation on the Resource Legislation Amendment on the Resource Legislation Amendment Bill; Amendment Bill; if Amendment Bill; if not, Amendment Bill; if not, why Amendment Bill; if not, why not? Scott Scott Simpson. Scott Simpson. No, Scott Simpson. No, I Scott Simpson. No, I haven't Scott Simpson. No, I haven't put Scott Simpson. No, I haven't put it Scott Simpson. No, I haven't put it on Scott Simpson. No, I haven't put it on the Scott Simpson. No, I haven't put it on the agenda. Scott Simpson. No, I haven't put it on the agenda. Instructions Scott Simpson. No, I haven't put it on the agenda. Instructions to on the agenda. Instructions to Parliamentary on the agenda. Instructions to Parliamentary Counsel on the agenda. Instructions to Parliamentary Counsel Office on the agenda. Instructions to Parliamentary Counsel Office are on the agenda. Instructions to Parliamentary Counsel Office are not Parliamentary Counsel Office are not generally Parliamentary Counsel Office are not generally included Parliamentary Counsel Office are not generally included on Parliamentary Counsel Office are not generally included on the generally included on the committee's generally included on the committee's agenda. generally included on the committee's agenda. Did generally included on the committee's agenda. Did today's committee's agenda. Did today's agenda committee's agenda. Did today's agenda include committee's agenda. Did today's agenda include a committee's agenda. Did today's agenda include a motion committee's agenda. Did today's agenda include a motion from committee's agenda. Did today's agenda include a motion from David agenda include a motion from David Parker agenda include a motion from David Parker for agenda include a motion from David Parker for the agenda include a motion from David Parker for the select agenda include a motion from David Parker for the select committee agenda include a motion from David Parker for the select committee to Parker for the select committee to report Parker for the select committee to report back Parker for the select committee to report back to Parker for the select committee to report back to the Parker for the select committee to report back to the House, Parker for the select committee to report back to the House, including report back to the House, including a report back to the House, including a minority report back to the House, including a minority report report back to the House, including a minority report explaining report back to the House, including a minority report explaining the a minority report explaining the appalling a minority report explaining the appalling delays a minority report explaining the appalling delays to a minority report explaining the appalling delays to date? a minority report explaining the appalling delays to date? Order! a minority report explaining the appalling delays to date? Order! I'm appalling delays to date? Order! I'm going appalling delays to date? Order! I'm going to appalling delays to date? Order! I'm going to just appalling delays to date? Order! I'm going to just ask appalling delays to date? Order! I'm going to just ask the appalling delays to date? Order! I'm going to just ask the member appalling delays to date? Order! I'm going to just ask the member to going to just ask the member to think going to just ask the member to think carefully going to just ask the member to think carefully about going to just ask the member to think carefully about the going to just ask the member to think carefully about the question. think carefully about the question. I'm think carefully about the question. I'm not think carefully about the question. I'm not ruling think carefully about the question. I'm not ruling it think carefully about the question. I'm not ruling it out think carefully about the question. I'm not ruling it out of think carefully about the question. I'm not ruling it out of order, think carefully about the question. I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm going I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm going to I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm going to ask I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm going to ask for I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm going to ask for it I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm going to ask for it to I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm going to ask for it to be I'm not ruling it out of order, I'm going to ask for it to be heard going to ask for it to be heard again. going to ask for it to be heard again. But going to ask for it to be heard again. But before going to ask for it to be heard again. But before the going to ask for it to be heard again. But before the member going to ask for it to be heard again. But before the member does again. But before the member does so, again. But before the member does so, I again. But before the member does so, I want again. But before the member does so, I want her again. But before the member does so, I want her to again. But before the member does so, I want her to take again. But before the member does so, I want her to take the so, I want her to take the opportunity so, I want her to take the opportunity of so, I want her to take the opportunity of reading so, I want her to take the opportunity of reading Standing opportunity of reading Standing Order opportunity of reading Standing Order 239 opportunity of reading Standing Order 239 regarding opportunity of reading Standing Order 239 regarding the Order 239 regarding the confidentiality Order 239 regarding the confidentiality of Order 239 regarding the confidentiality of proceedings Order 239 regarding the confidentiality of proceedings in Order 239 regarding the confidentiality of proceedings in a confidentiality of proceedings in a select confidentiality of proceedings in a select committee. confidentiality of proceedings in a select committee. So confidentiality of proceedings in a select committee. So I confidentiality of proceedings in a select committee. So I want confidentiality of proceedings in a select committee. So I want the select committee. So I want the member select committee. So I want the member to select committee. So I want the member to understand select committee. So I want the member to understand the select committee. So I want the member to understand the severity select committee. So I want the member to understand the severity of member to understand the severity of that. member to understand the severity of that. I member to understand the severity of that. I will member to understand the severity of that. I will listen member to understand the severity of that. I will listen to member to understand the severity of that. I will listen to the member to understand the severity of that. I will listen to the question. that. I will listen to the question. I that. I will listen to the question. I will that. I will listen to the question. I will either that. I will listen to the question. I will either decide that. I will listen to the question. I will either decide that that. I will listen to the question. I will either decide that it's that. I will listen to the question. I will either decide that it's in I will either decide that it's in order I will either decide that it's in order or I will either decide that it's in order or I'll I will either decide that it's in order or I'll rule I will either decide that it's in order or I'll rule it I will either decide that it's in order or I'll rule it out. I will either decide that it's in order or I'll rule it out. And I will either decide that it's in order or I'll rule it out. And if I will either decide that it's in order or I'll rule it out. And if I order or I'll rule it out. And if I decide order or I'll rule it out. And if I decide that order or I'll rule it out. And if I decide that it's order or I'll rule it out. And if I decide that it's a order or I'll rule it out. 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I call on Government Order of Order! I call on Government Order of the Order! I call on Government Order of the Day Order! I call on Government Order of the Day No. Order! I call on Government Order of the Day No. 1. the Day No. 1. Trans-Pacific the Day No. 1. Trans-Pacific Partnership the Day No. 1. Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill - Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill - second Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill - second reading. Amendment Bill - second reading. The Amendment Bill - second reading. The Hon Amendment Bill - second reading. The Hon Christopher Amendment Bill - second reading. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Amendment Bill - second reading. The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Mr The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Mr Speaker, The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Mr Speaker, I The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Mr Speaker, I move The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Mr Speaker, I move that The Hon Christopher Finlayson. Mr Speaker, I move that the Speaker, I move that the Trans-Pacific Speaker, I move that the Trans-Pacific Partnership Speaker, I move that the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill be Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill be now Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill be now read Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill be now read a Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement Amendment Bill be now read a second Amendment Bill be now read a second time. Amendment Bill be now read a second time. Can Amendment Bill be now read a second time. Can I Amendment Bill be now read a second time. Can I begin Amendment Bill be now read a second time. Can I begin by Amendment Bill be now read a second time. Can I begin by thanking Amendment Bill be now read a second time. Can I begin by thanking the time. Can I begin by thanking the Foreign time. Can I begin by thanking the Foreign Affairs time. Can I begin by thanking the Foreign Affairs Committee time. Can I begin by thanking the Foreign Affairs Committee for time. Can I begin by thanking the Foreign Affairs Committee for its Foreign Affairs Committee for its detailed Foreign Affairs Committee for its detailed consideration Foreign Affairs Committee for its detailed consideration of Foreign Affairs Committee for its detailed consideration of the Foreign Affairs Committee for its detailed consideration of the bill? detailed consideration of the bill? The detailed consideration of the bill? The committee's detailed consideration of the bill? The committee's recommendation detailed consideration of the bill? 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Mr Speaker, the Government recognises that trade this agreement. Mr Speaker, the Government recognises that trade is Government recognises that trade is critical Government recognises that trade is critical to Government recognises that trade is critical to our Government recognises that trade is critical to our continued Government recognises that trade is critical to our continued growth Government recognises that trade is critical to our continued growth and critical to our continued growth and prosperity. critical to our continued growth and prosperity. For critical to our continued growth and prosperity. For this critical to our continued growth and prosperity. For this reason, prosperity. For this reason, successive prosperity. For this reason, successive governments prosperity. For this reason, successive governments have prosperity. 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