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I made that statement because Cabinet was advised that the because Cabinet was advised that the Government because Cabinet was advised that the Government was because Cabinet was advised that the Government was exposed because Cabinet was advised that the Government was exposed to because Cabinet was advised that the Government was exposed to risk because Cabinet was advised that the Government was exposed to risk of Government was exposed to risk of between Government was exposed to risk of between $20-30 Government was exposed to risk of between $20-30 million Government was exposed to risk of between $20-30 million legal Government was exposed to risk of between $20-30 million legal claim. between $20-30 million legal claim. We between $20-30 million legal claim. We accepted between $20-30 million legal claim. We accepted that between $20-30 million legal claim. We accepted that advice. between $20-30 million legal claim. We accepted that advice. 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The only people that were wrong were The only people that were wrong were the The only people that were wrong were the Opposition The only people that were wrong were the Opposition when The only people that were wrong were the Opposition when they The only people that were wrong were the Opposition when they went The only people that were wrong were the Opposition when they went on The only people that were wrong were the Opposition when they went on and the Opposition when they went on and on the Opposition when they went on and on about the Opposition when they went on and on about - the Opposition when they went on and on about - and the Opposition when they went on and on about - and on the Opposition when they went on and on about - and on - the Opposition when they went on and on about - and on - that the Opposition when they went on and on about - and on - that the on about - and on - that the payments on about - and on - that the payments were on about - and on - that the payments were evidence on about - and on - that the payments were evidence of payments were evidence of corruption, payments were evidence of corruption, bribery payments were evidence of corruption, bribery or payments were evidence of corruption, bribery or facilitation corruption, bribery or facilitation payment. corruption, bribery or facilitation payment. The corruption, bribery or facilitation payment. The Auditor-General corruption, bribery or facilitation payment. The Auditor-General found payment. The Auditor-General found the payment. The Auditor-General found the complete payment. The Auditor-General found the complete opposite. payment. The Auditor-General found the complete opposite. Does payment. The Auditor-General found the complete opposite. Does he payment. The Auditor-General found the complete opposite. Does he agree the complete opposite. Does he agree with the complete opposite. Does he agree with Fran the complete opposite. Does he agree with Fran O'Sullivan the complete opposite. Does he agree with Fran O'Sullivan that the complete opposite. 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The The Hon The Hon Steven The Hon Steven Joyce. The Hon Steven Joyce. Today The Hon Steven Joyce. Today I The Hon Steven Joyce. Today I received The Hon Steven Joyce. Today I received a The Hon Steven Joyce. Today I received a report The Hon Steven Joyce. Today I received a report which The Hon Steven Joyce. Today I received a report which shows The Hon Steven Joyce. 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Canterbury grew 71% in experiences a 55% increase. Canterbury grew 71% in the experiences a 55% increase. Canterbury grew 71% in the same Canterbury grew 71% in the same period, Canterbury grew 71% in the same period, Waikato Canterbury grew 71% in the same period, Waikato grew Canterbury grew 71% in the same period, Waikato grew 45%, Canterbury grew 71% in the same period, Waikato grew 45%, and Canterbury grew 71% in the same period, Waikato grew 45%, and the period, Waikato grew 45%, and the south period, Waikato grew 45%, and the south island period, Waikato grew 45%, and the south island excluding period, Waikato grew 45%, and the south island excluding Canterbury south island excluding Canterbury and south island excluding Canterbury and Otago south island excluding Canterbury and Otago grew south island excluding Canterbury and Otago grew 152%. south island excluding Canterbury and Otago grew 152%. That south island excluding Canterbury and Otago grew 152%. That reflects and Otago grew 152%. That reflects the and Otago grew 152%. That reflects the efforts and Otago grew 152%. That reflects the efforts of and Otago grew 152%. That reflects the efforts of education and Otago grew 152%. That reflects the efforts of education providers the efforts of education providers nationwide the efforts of education providers nationwide to the efforts of education providers nationwide to deliver the efforts of education providers nationwide to deliver excellent nationwide to deliver excellent education nationwide to deliver excellent education around nationwide to deliver excellent education around the nationwide to deliver excellent education around the country. education around the country. Question education around the country. Question - education around the country. Question - oh, education around the country. Question - oh, point education around the country. Question - oh, point of education around the country. Question - oh, point of order. Question - oh, point of order. Andrew Question - oh, point of order. Andrew Little. Question - oh, point of order. Andrew Little. Mr Question - oh, point of order. Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, Question - oh, point of order. Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I Question - oh, point of order. Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I seek Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I seek leave Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a transcript Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a transcript from Andrew Little. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a transcript from 5 leave to table a transcript from 5 September leave to table a transcript from 5 September 2016 leave to table a transcript from 5 September 2016 in leave to table a transcript from 5 September 2016 in which leave to table a transcript from 5 September 2016 in which the leave to table a transcript from 5 September 2016 in which the PM September 2016 in which the PM states, September 2016 in which the PM states, amongst September 2016 in which the PM states, amongst other September 2016 in which the PM states, amongst other thing, September 2016 in which the PM states, amongst other thing, in states, amongst other thing, in relation states, amongst other thing, in relation to states, amongst other thing, in relation to young states, amongst other thing, in relation to young people, states, amongst other thing, in relation to young people, "They states, amongst other thing, in relation to young people, "They just relation to young people, "They just can't relation to young people, "They just can't muster relation to young people, "They just can't muster what relation to young people, "They just can't muster what is relation to young people, "They just can't muster what is required." relation to young people, "They just can't muster what is required." ... can't muster what is required." ... No, can't muster what is required." ... No, those can't muster what is required." ... No, those transcripts can't muster what is required." ... No, those transcripts are can't muster what is required." ... No, those transcripts are available No, those transcripts are available and No, those transcripts are available No, No, those transcripts are available and easily sourced No, those transcripts are available and easily sourced by No, those transcripts are available and easily sourced by any No, those transcripts are available and easily sourced by any member No, those transcripts are available and easily sourced by any member if and easily sourced by any member if they and easily sourced by any member if they want and easily sourced by any member if they want them. and easily sourced by any member if they want them. Question and easily sourced by any member if they want them. Question No. and easily sourced by any member if they want them. Question No. 7. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: Health: Does Health: Does he Health: Does he stand Health: Does he stand by Health: Does he stand by all Health: Does he stand by all his Does he stand by all his statements? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, yes. Mr Speaker, yes. Including Mr Speaker, yes. Including my Mr Speaker, yes. Including my comment Mr Speaker, yes. Including my comment that Mr Speaker, yes. Including my comment that you Mr Speaker, yes. Including my comment that you always Mr Speaker, yes. Including my comment that you always have Mr Speaker, yes. Including my comment that you always have to comment that you always have to check comment that you always have to check the comment that you always have to check the facts, comment that you always have to check the facts, check comment that you always have to check the facts, check the comment that you always have to check the facts, check the numbers, check the facts, check the numbers, and check the facts, check the numbers, and ask check the facts, check the numbers, and ask lots check the facts, check the numbers, and ask lots of check the facts, check the numbers, and ask lots of questions check the facts, check the numbers, and ask lots of questions until check the facts, check the numbers, and ask lots of questions until you and ask lots of questions until you get and ask lots of questions until you get the and ask lots of questions until you get the truth and ask lots of questions until you get the truth about and ask lots of questions until you get the truth about any and ask lots of questions until you get the truth about any Labour and ask lots of questions until you get the truth about any Labour Party get the truth about any Labour Party claim. get the truth about any Labour Party claim. Does get the truth about any Labour Party claim. Does he get the truth about any Labour Party claim. Does he stand get the truth about any Labour Party claim. Does he stand by get the truth about any Labour Party claim. Does he stand by his claim. Does he stand by his statement claim. Does he stand by his statement that, claim. Does he stand by his statement that, "In claim. Does he stand by his statement that, "In opt claim. Does he stand by his statement that, "In opt thatmology statement that, "In opt thatmology there statement that, "In opt thatmology there are statement that, "In opt thatmology there are one statement that, "In opt thatmology there are one or statement that, "In opt thatmology there are one or two statement that, "In opt thatmology there are one or two DBHs statement that, "In opt thatmology there are one or two DBHs that statement that, "In opt thatmology there are one or two DBHs that need there are one or two DBHs that need to there are one or two DBHs that need to look there are one or two DBHs that need to look their there are one or two DBHs that need to look their game", there are one or two DBHs that need to look their game", when there are one or two DBHs that need to look their game", when it's there are one or two DBHs that need to look their game", when it's been to look their game", when it's been revealed to look their game", when it's been revealed that to look their game", when it's been revealed that over to look their game", when it's been revealed that over the to look their game", when it's been revealed that over the last to look their game", when it's been revealed that over the last week revealed that over the last week there revealed that over the last week there are revealed that over the last week there are huge revealed that over the last week there are huge delays revealed that over the last week there are huge delays in revealed that over the last week there are huge delays in Counties there are huge delays in Counties Manukau, there are huge delays in Counties Manukau, Nelson, there are huge delays in Counties Manukau, Nelson, Marlborough there are huge delays in Counties Manukau, Nelson, Marlborough and Manukau, Nelson, Marlborough and Southern Manukau, Nelson, Marlborough and Southern for Manukau, Nelson, Marlborough and Southern for follow-up Manukau, Nelson, Marlborough and Southern for follow-up appointments Southern for follow-up appointments and Southern for follow-up appointments and there Southern for follow-up appointments and there is Southern for follow-up appointments and there is no Southern for follow-up appointments and there is no timeframe Southern for follow-up appointments and there is no timeframe for and there is no timeframe for follow-up and there is no timeframe for follow-up treatment and there is no timeframe for follow-up treatment for and there is no timeframe for follow-up treatment for thousands and there is no timeframe for follow-up treatment for thousands of follow-up treatment for thousands of New follow-up treatment for thousands of New Zealanders follow-up treatment for thousands of New Zealanders with follow-up treatment for thousands of New Zealanders with eye follow-up treatment for thousands of New Zealanders with eye conditions New Zealanders with eye conditions that New Zealanders with eye conditions New New Zealanders with eye conditions that can lead New Zealanders with eye conditions that can lead to New Zealanders with eye conditions that can lead to blindness? New Zealanders with eye conditions that can lead to blindness? Yes. New Zealanders with eye conditions that can lead to blindness? Yes. Why that can lead to blindness? Yes. Why didn't that can lead to blindness? Yes. Why didn't he that can lead to blindness? Yes. Why didn't he listen that can lead to blindness? Yes. Why didn't he listen to that can lead to blindness? Yes. Why didn't he listen to Treasury that can lead to blindness? Yes. Why didn't he listen to Treasury and that can lead to blindness? Yes. Why didn't he listen to Treasury and put didn't he listen to Treasury and put in didn't he listen to Treasury and put in a didn't he listen to Treasury and put in a bid didn't he listen to Treasury and put in a bid for didn't he listen to Treasury and put in a bid for primary didn't he listen to Treasury and put in a bid for primary care didn't he listen to Treasury and put in a bid for primary care reform in a bid for primary care reform last in a bid for primary care reform last year in a bid for primary care reform last year knowing in a bid for primary care reform last year knowing that in a bid for primary care reform last year knowing that one-in-nine last year knowing that one-in-nine New last year knowing that one-in-nine New Zealanders last year knowing that one-in-nine New Zealanders cannot last year knowing that one-in-nine New Zealanders cannot afford last year knowing that one-in-nine New Zealanders cannot afford to New Zealanders cannot afford to visit New Zealanders cannot afford to visit a New Zealanders cannot afford to visit a GP New Zealanders cannot afford to visit a GP and New Zealanders cannot afford to visit a GP and the New Zealanders cannot afford to visit a GP and the chair New Zealanders cannot afford to visit a GP and the chair of New Zealanders cannot afford to visit a GP and the chair of his New Zealanders cannot afford to visit a GP and the chair of his own visit a GP and the chair of his own working visit a GP and the chair of his own working party visit a GP and the chair of his own working party advised visit a GP and the chair of his own working party advised that visit a GP and the chair of his own working party advised that it visit a GP and the chair of his own working party advised that it had, working party advised that it had, "Left working party advised that it had, "Left many working party advised that it had, "Left many low working party advised that it had, "Left many low income working party advised that it had, "Left many low income patients working party advised that it had, "Left many low income patients out "Left many low income patients out in "Left many low income patients out in the "Left many low income patients out in the cold"? 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Just have the supplementary Just have the supplementary question. Just have the supplementary question. How Just have the supplementary question. How can Just have the supplementary question. How can he Just have the supplementary question. How can he continue Just have the supplementary question. How can he continue to question. How can he continue to claim question. How can he continue to claim that question. How can he continue to claim that health question. How can he continue to claim that health has question. 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Is the reason he is allowing DBHs to send reason he is allowing DBHs to send letters reason he is allowing DBHs to send letters to reason he is allowing DBHs to send letters to frail reason he is allowing DBHs to send letters to frail older reason he is allowing DBHs to send letters to frail older New letters to frail older New Zealanders letters to frail older New Zealanders telling letters to frail older New Zealanders telling them letters to frail older New Zealanders telling them that letters to frail older New Zealanders telling them that their Zealanders telling them that their home Zealanders telling them that their home help Zealanders telling them that their home help will Zealanders telling them that their home help will be Zealanders telling them that their home help will be stopped Zealanders telling them that their home help will be stopped unless home help will be stopped unless they home help will be stopped unless they also home help will be stopped unless they also require home help will be stopped unless they also require personal home help will be stopped unless they also require personal care they also require personal care services they also require personal care services is they also require personal care services is the they also require personal care services is the way they also require personal care services is the way to they also require personal care services is the way to reduce they also require personal care services is the way to reduce costs services is the way to reduce costs and services is the way to reduce costs and at services is the way to reduce costs and at the services is the way to reduce costs and at the expense services is the way to reduce costs and at the expense of services is the way to reduce costs and at the expense of very and at the expense of very vulnerable and at the expense of very vulnerable people? and at the expense of very vulnerable people? Point and at the expense of very vulnerable people? Point of and at the expense of very vulnerable people? Point of order, vulnerable people? Point of order, Mr vulnerable people? Point of order, Mr Speaker. vulnerable people? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Point vulnerable people? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Point of vulnerable people? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Point of order, vulnerable people? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Point of order, the vulnerable people? Point of order, Mr Speaker. Point of order, the Hon Mr Speaker. Point of order, the Hon Annette Mr Speaker. Point of order, the Hon Annette King. Mr Speaker. Point of order, the Hon Annette King. I Mr Speaker. Point of order, the Hon Annette King. I seek Mr Speaker. Point of order, the Hon Annette King. I seek leave Mr Speaker. Point of order, the Hon Annette King. I seek leave to Mr Speaker. Point of order, the Hon Annette King. I seek leave to table Annette King. I seek leave to table a Annette King. I seek leave to table a letter Annette King. I seek leave to table a letter from Annette King. I seek leave to table a letter from MidCentral Annette King. I seek leave to table a letter from MidCentral health Annette King. I seek leave to table a letter from MidCentral health to a letter from MidCentral health to an a letter from MidCentral health to an older a letter from MidCentral health to an older New a letter from MidCentral health to an older New Zealander a letter from MidCentral health to an older New Zealander telling a letter from MidCentral health to an older New Zealander telling them an older New Zealander telling them exactly an older New Zealander telling them exactly what an older New Zealander telling them exactly what I an older New Zealander telling them exactly what I have an older New Zealander telling them exactly what I have just an older New Zealander telling them exactly what I have just said... exactly what I have just said... Order! exactly what I have just said... Order! Dated exactly what I have just said... Order! Dated 1 exactly what I have just said... Order! Dated 1 November exactly what I have just said... Order! Dated 1 November this exactly what I have just said... Order! Dated 1 November this year. Order! Dated 1 November this year. It's Order! Dated 1 November this year. It's been Order! Dated 1 November this year. It's been described. Order! Dated 1 November this year. It's been described. Leave Order! Dated 1 November this year. It's been described. Leave is Order! Dated 1 November this year. It's been described. Leave is sought It's been described. Leave is sought to It's been described. Leave is sought to table It's been described. Leave is sought to table that It's been described. Leave is sought to table that let It's been described. Leave is sought to table that let fresh It's been described. Leave is sought to table that let fresh the It's been described. Leave is sought to table that let fresh the DBH. It's been described. Leave is sought to table that let fresh the DBH. Is to table that let fresh the DBH. Is there to table that let fresh the DBH. Is there any to table that let fresh the DBH. Is there any objection? to table that let fresh the DBH. Is there any objection? There to table that let fresh the DBH. Is there any objection? There is to table that let fresh the DBH. Is there any objection? There is none. there any objection? There is none. Can there any objection? There is none. Can be there any objection? There is none. Can be tabled. there any objection? There is none. Can be tabled. Question there any objection? There is none. Can be tabled. Question No. there any objection? There is none. Can be tabled. Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Housing: Social Housing: What Social Housing: What announcements Social Housing: What announcements has Social Housing: What announcements has she Social Housing: What announcements has she made What announcements has she made about What announcements has she made about the What announcements has she made about the Government What announcements has she made about the Government increasing about the Government increasing support about the Government increasing support for about the Government increasing support for emergency about the Government increasing support for emergency housing? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, yesterday Mr Speaker, yesterday I Mr Speaker, yesterday I was Mr Speaker, yesterday I was pleased Mr Speaker, yesterday I was pleased to Mr Speaker, yesterday I was pleased to announce Mr Speaker, yesterday I was pleased to announce a Mr Speaker, yesterday I was pleased to announce a funding Mr Speaker, yesterday I was pleased to announce a funding boost Mr Speaker, yesterday I was pleased to announce a funding boost of Mr Speaker, yesterday I was pleased to announce a funding boost of more to announce a funding boost of more than to announce a funding boost of more than $300 to announce a funding boost of more than $300 million to announce a funding boost of more than $300 million for to announce a funding boost of more than $300 million for emergency than $300 million for emergency housing than $300 million for emergency housing so than $300 million for emergency housing so that than $300 million for emergency housing so that more than $300 million for emergency housing so that more vulnerable than $300 million for emergency housing so that more vulnerable New housing so that more vulnerable New Zealanders housing so that more vulnerable New Zealanders can housing so that more vulnerable New Zealanders can get housing so that more vulnerable New Zealanders can get the housing so that more vulnerable New Zealanders can get the help housing so that more vulnerable New Zealanders can get the help that Zealanders can get the help that they Zealanders can get the help that they need. Zealanders can get the help that they need. We Zealanders can get the help that they need. We have Zealanders can get the help that they need. We have the Zealanders can get the help that they need. We have the funding Zealanders can get the help that they need. We have the funding to they need. We have the funding to pay they need. We have the funding to pay for they need. We have the funding to pay for an they need. We have the funding to pay for an extra they need. We have the funding to pay for an extra 1400 they need. We have the funding to pay for an extra 1400 places they need. We have the funding to pay for an extra 1400 places at they need. We have the funding to pay for an extra 1400 places at any pay for an extra 1400 places at any one pay for an extra 1400 places at any one time, pay for an extra 1400 places at any one time, which pay for an extra 1400 places at any one time, which will pay for an extra 1400 places at any one time, which will be, pay for an extra 1400 places at any one time, which will be, I pay for an extra 1400 places at any one time, which will be, I must pay for an extra 1400 places at any one time, which will be, I must say, one time, which will be, I must say, an one time, which will be, I must say, an ambitious one time, which will be, I must say, an ambitious goal one time, which will be, I must say, an ambitious goal but one time, which will be, I must say, an ambitious goal but we one time, which will be, I must say, an ambitious goal but we have one time, which will be, I must say, an ambitious goal but we have a an ambitious goal but we have a cross-agency an ambitious goal but we have a cross-agency team an ambitious goal but we have a cross-agency team set-up an ambitious goal but we have a cross-agency team set-up to an ambitious goal but we have a cross-agency team set-up to secure cross-agency team set-up to secure and cross-agency team set-up to secure and build cross-agency team set-up to secure and build suitable cross-agency team set-up to secure and build suitable properties. cross-agency team set-up to secure and build suitable properties. This and build suitable properties. This is and build suitable properties. This is just and build suitable properties. This is just another and build suitable properties. This is just another step and build suitable properties. This is just another step in and build suitable properties. 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To the Minister: How will the affordable housing. . To the Minister: How will the $300 affordable housing. . To the Minister: How will the $300 million Minister: How will the $300 million be Minister: How will the $300 million be spent? Minister: How will the $300 million be spent? Mr Minister: How will the $300 million be spent? Mr Speaker, Minister: How will the $300 million be spent? Mr Speaker, the Minister: How will the $300 million be spent? Mr Speaker, the first be spent? Mr Speaker, the first thing be spent? Mr Speaker, the first thing we be spent? Mr Speaker, the first thing we need be spent? Mr Speaker, the first thing we need to be spent? Mr Speaker, the first thing we need to do be spent? Mr Speaker, the first thing we need to do is be spent? 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Mr Speaker, I have seen another fund emergency housing? Mr Speaker, I have seen another proposal fund emergency housing? Mr Speaker, I have seen another proposal which I have seen another proposal which also I have seen another proposal which also claims I have seen another proposal which also claims to I have seen another proposal which also claims to provide I have seen another proposal which also claims to provide 1400 I have seen another proposal which also claims to provide 1400 new also claims to provide 1400 new emergency also claims to provide 1400 new emergency housing also claims to provide 1400 new emergency housing beds, also claims to provide 1400 new emergency housing beds, but also claims to provide 1400 new emergency housing beds, but it's emergency housing beds, but it's only emergency housing beds, but it's only worth emergency housing beds, but it's only worth 15 emergency housing beds, but it's only worth 15 - emergency housing beds, but it's only worth 15 - one emergency housing beds, but it's only worth 15 - one five emergency housing beds, but it's only worth 15 - one five - emergency housing beds, but it's only worth 15 - one five - million only worth 15 - one five - million dollar only worth 15 - one five - million dollar as only worth 15 - one five - million dollar as year. only worth 15 - one five - million dollar as year. 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So one policy equates that these tenants desperately need. So one policy equates to that these tenants desperately need. So one policy equates to $67 that these tenants desperately need. So one policy equates to $67 million So one policy equates to $67 million over So one policy equates to $67 million over 4.5 So one policy equates to $67 million over 4.5 years. So one policy equates to $67 million over 4.5 years. And So one policy equates to $67 million over 4.5 years. And ours, So one policy equates to $67 million over 4.5 years. And ours, of So one policy equates to $67 million over 4.5 years. And ours, of course, over 4.5 years. And ours, of course, is over 4.5 years. And ours, of course, is fully-funded. over 4.5 years. And ours, of course, is fully-funded. I over 4.5 years. And ours, of course, is fully-funded. I suggest over 4.5 years. And ours, of course, is fully-funded. I suggest you over 4.5 years. And ours, of course, is fully-funded. I suggest you get is fully-funded. 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So that 300 million, quite frankly, we're actually the first frankly, we're actually the first Government frankly, we're actually the first Government to frankly, we're actually the first Government to ever, frankly, we're actually the first Government to ever, ever, frankly, we're actually the first Government to ever, ever, have Government to ever, ever, have stepped Government to ever, ever, have stepped in Government to ever, ever, have stepped in and Government to ever, ever, have stepped in and funded Government to ever, ever, have stepped in and funded emergency stepped in and funded emergency housing stepped in and funded emergency housing beds. stepped in and funded emergency housing beds. So stepped in and funded emergency housing beds. So while stepped in and funded emergency housing beds. So while Labour housing beds. So while Labour ignored housing beds. So while Labour ignored it, housing beds. So while Labour ignored it, we're housing beds. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Prime My question is to the Prime Minister: Minister: Does Minister: Does he Minister: Does he stand Minister: Does he stand by Minister: Does he stand by his Minister: Does he stand by his statement Minister: Does he stand by his statement in Does he stand by his statement in relation Does he stand by his statement in relation to Does he stand by his statement in relation to the Does he stand by his statement in relation to the Pike Does he stand by his statement in relation to the Pike River Does he stand by his statement in relation to the Pike River Mine Does he stand by his statement in relation to the Pike River Mine that relation to the Pike River Mine that "What relation to the Pike River Mine that "What I relation to the Pike River Mine that "What I did relation to the Pike River Mine that "What I did promise relation to the Pike River Mine that "What I did promise is relation to the Pike River Mine that "What I did promise is that relation to the Pike River Mine that "What I did promise is that we relation to the Pike River Mine that "What I did promise is that we could "What I did promise is that we could do "What I did promise is that we could do everything "What I did promise is that we could do everything we "What I did promise is that we could do everything we can "What I did promise is that we could do everything we can to "What I did promise is that we could do everything we can to get "What I did promise is that we could do everything we can to get those do everything we can to get those bodies do everything we can to get those bodies out"? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, yes. Mr Speaker, yes. To Mr Speaker, yes. To the Mr Speaker, yes. To the PM: Mr Speaker, yes. To the PM: Is Mr Speaker, yes. To the PM: Is he Mr Speaker, yes. To the PM: Is he aware Mr Speaker, yes. To the PM: Is he aware that Mr Speaker, yes. To the PM: Is he aware that non-mining Mr Speaker, yes. To the PM: Is he aware that non-mining contractors aware that non-mining contractors and aware that non-mining contractors do aware that non-mining contractors and personnel have aware that non-mining contractors and personnel have been aware that non-mining contractors and personnel have been working aware that non-mining contractors and personnel have been working on and personnel have been working on the and personnel have been working on the reversal and personnel have been working on the reversal seal and personnel have been working on the reversal seal without and personnel have been working on the reversal seal without breathing the reversal seal without breathing apparatus the reversal seal without breathing apparatus which the reversal seal without breathing apparatus which contradicts the reversal seal without breathing apparatus which contradicts the the reversal seal without breathing apparatus which contradicts the risk apparatus which contradicts the risk assessment apparatus which contradicts the risk assessment conducted apparatus which contradicts the risk assessment conducted by apparatus which contradicts the risk assessment conducted by Solid apparatus which contradicts the risk assessment conducted by Solid Energy assessment conducted by Solid Energy claiming assessment conducted by Solid Energy claiming it assessment conducted by Solid Energy claiming it couldn't assessment conducted by Solid Energy claiming it couldn't be assessment conducted by Solid Energy claiming it couldn't be done assessment conducted by Solid Energy claiming it couldn't be done and claiming it couldn't be done and vindicates claiming it couldn't be done and vindicates the claiming it couldn't be done and vindicates the expert claiming it couldn't be done and vindicates the expert advice claiming it couldn't be done and vindicates the expert advice to claiming it couldn't be done and vindicates the expert advice to the vindicates the expert advice to the families vindicates the expert advice to the assessment vindicates the expert advice to the families of the vindicates the expert advice to the families of the 29 vindicates the expert advice to the families of the 29 victims vindicates the expert advice to the families of the 29 victims as families of the 29 victims as witnessed families of the 29 victims as witnessed by families of the 29 victims as witnessed by Minister families of the 29 victims as witnessed by Minister Barry families of the 29 victims as witnessed by Minister Barry in families of the 29 victims as witnessed by Minister Barry in her witnessed by Minister Barry in her last witnessed by Minister Barry in her last visit witnessed by Minister Barry in her last visit to witnessed by Minister Barry in her last visit to the witnessed by Minister Barry in her last visit to the mine? witnessed by Minister Barry in her last visit to the mine? Mr witnessed by Minister Barry in her last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, no, last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, no, but last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, no, but what last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, no, but what I last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, no, but what I am last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, no, but what I am aware last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, no, but what I am aware is last visit to the mine? Mr Speaker, no, but what I am aware is the no, but what I am aware is the advice no, but what I am aware is the advice we no, but what I am aware is the advice we received no, but what I am aware is the advice we received from no, but what I am aware is the advice we received from Solid advice we received from Solid Energy, advice we received from Solid Energy, the advice we received from Solid Energy, the environment advice we received from Solid Energy, the environment is advice we received from Solid Energy, the environment is not Energy, the environment is not materially Energy, the environment is not materially changed Energy, the environment is not materially changed since Energy, the environment is not materially changed since the materially changed since the decision materially changed since the decision not materially changed since the decision not to materially changed since the decision not to re-enter materially changed since the decision not to re-enter the materially changed since the decision not to re-enter the drift decision not to re-enter the drift was decision not to re-enter the drift was made decision not to re-enter the drift was made in decision not to re-enter the drift was made in 2014. decision not to re-enter the drift was made in 2014. To decision not to re-enter the drift was made in 2014. To the decision not to re-enter the drift was made in 2014. To the PM: decision not to re-enter the drift was made in 2014. To the PM: With was made in 2014. To the PM: With recent was made in 2014. To the PM: With recent testing was made in 2014. To the PM: With recent testing results was made in 2014. To the PM: With recent testing results showing was made in 2014. To the PM: With recent testing results showing gas recent testing results showing gas levels recent testing results showing gas levels within recent testing results showing gas levels within the recent testing results showing gas levels within the Pike recent testing results showing gas levels within the Pike River recent testing results showing gas levels within the Pike River Mine levels within the Pike River Mine are levels within the Pike River Mine are safe levels within the Pike River Mine are safe enough levels within the Pike River Mine are safe enough for levels within the Pike River Mine are safe enough for reentry, levels within the Pike River Mine are safe enough for reentry, will levels within the Pike River Mine are safe enough for reentry, will he are safe enough for reentry, will he now are safe enough for reentry, will he now take are safe enough for reentry, will he now take steps are safe enough for reentry, will he now take steps to are safe enough for reentry, will he now take steps to get are safe enough for reentry, will he now take steps to get the are safe enough for reentry, will he now take steps to get the bodies are safe enough for reentry, will he now take steps to get the bodies out now take steps to get the bodies out of now take steps to get the bodies out of the now take steps to get the bodies out of the mine now take steps to get the bodies out of the mine so now take steps to get the bodies out of the mine so the now take steps to get the bodies out of the mine so the family now take steps to get the bodies out of the mine so the family can now take steps to get the bodies out of the mine so the family can have of the mine so the family can have their of the mine so the family can have their men of the mine so the family can have their men back, of the mine so the family can have their men back, and of the mine so the family can have their men back, and if of the mine so the family can have their men back, and if not, of the mine so the family can have their men back, and if not, why of the mine so the family can have their men back, and if not, why not. their men back, and if not, why not. 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New Zealanders as a result of the tragedy. Thank New Zealanders as a result of the tragedy. Thank you, New Zealanders as a result of the tragedy. Thank you, Mr New Zealanders as a result of the tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. New Zealanders as a result of the tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the PM: tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the PM: Why tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the PM: Why won't tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the PM: Why won't the tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the PM: Why won't the PM tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the PM: Why won't the PM honour tragedy. Thank you, Mr Speaker. 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I company that the Government has effectively sold out? I believe company that the Government has effectively sold out? I believe I effectively sold out? I believe I met effectively sold out? I believe I met all effectively sold out? I believe I met all my effectively sold out? I believe I met all my commitments effectively sold out? I believe I met all my commitments to effectively sold out? I believe I met all my commitments to the met all my commitments to the families. met all my commitments to the families. Question met all my commitments to the families. Question No. met all my commitments to the families. Question No. 10. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for the My question is to the Minister for the Environment: the Environment: Does the Environment: Does he the Environment: Does he agree the Environment: Does he agree with the Environment: Does he agree with the the Environment: Does he agree with the Environmental Does he agree with the Environmental Protection Does he agree with the Environmental Protection Authority's Does he agree with the Environmental Protection Authority's Chief Protection Authority's Chief Scientist Protection Authority's Chief Scientist Jacqueline Protection Authority's Chief Scientist Jacqueline Rowarth's Scientist Jacqueline Rowarth's comment Scientist Jacqueline Rowarth's comment that Scientist Jacqueline Rowarth's comment that the Scientist Jacqueline Rowarth's comment that the Waikato Scientist Jacqueline Rowarth's comment that the Waikato River Scientist Jacqueline Rowarth's comment that the Waikato River is comment that the Waikato River is one comment that the Waikato River is one of comment that the Waikato River is one of the comment that the Waikato River is one of the five comment that the Waikato River is one of the five cleanest comment that the Waikato River is one of the five cleanest rivers comment that the Waikato River is one of the five cleanest rivers in one of the five cleanest rivers in the one of the five cleanest rivers in the world? 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These particularly below the confluence of the Waipa river. These problems particularly below the confluence of the Waipa river. These problems have the Waipa river. These problems have been the Waipa river. These problems have been increasing the Waipa river. These problems have been increasing in the Waipa river. These problems have been increasing in recent the Waipa river. These problems have been increasing in recent decades, been increasing in recent decades, and been increasing in recent decades, and steps been increasing in recent decades, and steps are been increasing in recent decades, and steps are required been increasing in recent decades, and steps are required to been increasing in recent decades, and steps are required to reverse and steps are required to reverse those and steps are required to reverse those trends and steps are required to reverse those trends and and steps are required to reverse those trends and that and steps are required to reverse those trends and that is and steps are required to reverse those trends and that is why and steps are required to reverse those trends and that is why this those trends and that is why this government those trends and that is why this government has those trends and that is why this government has invested those trends and that is why this government has invested over those trends and that is why this government has invested over $300 government has invested over $300 million government has invested over $300 million in government has invested over $300 million in its government has invested over $300 million in its clean-up. government has invested over $300 million in its clean-up. I government has invested over $300 million in its clean-up. I do government has invested over $300 million in its clean-up. I do note million in its clean-up. I do note the million in its clean-up. I do note the EPA million in its clean-up. I do note the EPA does million in its clean-up. I do note the EPA does not million in its clean-up. I do note the EPA does not have million in its clean-up. I do note the EPA does not have a million in its clean-up. I do note the EPA does not have a role million in its clean-up. I do note the EPA does not have a role in million in its clean-up. I do note the EPA does not have a role in the the EPA does not have a role in the regulation the EPA does not have a role in the regulation of the EPA does not have a role in the regulation of water the EPA does not have a role in the regulation of water quality the EPA does not have a role in the regulation of water quality and regulation of water quality and their regulation of water quality and their principal regulation of water quality and their principal function regulation of water quality and their principal function is regulation of water quality and their principal function is the their principal function is the regulation their principal function is the regulation of their principal function is the regulation of hazardous their principal function is the regulation of hazardous substances regulation of hazardous substances and regulation of hazardous substances their regulation of hazardous substances and organisms. Does regulation of hazardous substances and organisms. 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Does he consider that the new Chief scientist of the EPA's the new Chief scientist of the EPA's comments the new Chief scientist of the EPA's comments show the new Chief scientist of the EPA's comments show a the new Chief scientist of the EPA's comments show a robust the new Chief scientist of the EPA's comments show a robust understanding comments show a robust understanding of comments show a robust understanding of science comments show a robust understanding of science and comments show a robust understanding of science and of comments show a robust understanding of science and of a comments show a robust understanding of science and of a waterway comments show a robust understanding of science and of a waterway which of science and of a waterway which has of science and of a waterway which has more of science and of a waterway which has more than of science and of a waterway which has more than $8 of science and of a waterway which has more than $8 million of science and of a waterway which has more than $8 million of has more than $8 million of Government has more than $8 million of Government funding has more than $8 million of Government funding dedicated has more than $8 million of Government funding dedicated to Government funding dedicated to cleaning Government funding dedicated to cleaning it Government funding dedicated to cleaning it up Government funding dedicated to cleaning it up because Government funding dedicated to cleaning it up because it's Government funding dedicated to cleaning it up because it's so cleaning it up because it's so seriously cleaning it up because it's so seriously polluted? cleaning it up because it's so seriously polluted? 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It is spending over $300 million. Thus than $8 million. It is spending over $300 million. Thus is than $8 million. It is spending over $300 million. Thus is the than $8 million. It is spending over $300 million. Thus is the importance $300 million. Thus is the importance of $300 million. Thus is the importance of Lake $300 million. Thus is the importance of Lake Taupo $300 million. Thus is the importance of Lake Taupo and $300 million. Thus is the importance of Lake Taupo and the $300 million. Thus is the importance of Lake Taupo and the Waikato $300 million. Thus is the importance of Lake Taupo and the Waikato River of Lake Taupo and the Waikato River to of Lake Taupo and the Waikato River to this of Lake Taupo and the Waikato River to this Government of Lake Taupo and the Waikato River to this Government in of Lake Taupo and the Waikato River to this Government in respect of Lake Taupo and the Waikato River to this Government in respect of to this Government in respect of this to this Government in respect of this particular to this Government in respect of this particular individual, to this Government in respect of this particular individual, I to this Government in respect of this particular individual, I think this particular individual, I think the this particular individual, I think the member this particular individual, I think the member should this particular individual, I think the member should be this particular individual, I think the member should be cautious this particular individual, I think the member should be cautious of the member should be cautious of taking the member should be cautious of taking her the member should be cautious of taking her comments the member should be cautious of taking her comments out the member should be cautious of taking her comments out of the member should be cautious of taking her comments out of context taking her comments out of context because taking her comments out of context because actually taking her comments out of context because actually in taking her comments out of context because actually in the taking her comments out of context because actually in the upper because actually in the upper reaches, because actually in the upper reaches, the because actually in the upper reaches, the water because actually in the upper reaches, the water quality because actually in the upper reaches, the water quality is because actually in the upper reaches, the water quality is very reaches, the water quality is very good reaches, the water quality is very good at reaches, the water quality is very good at the reaches, the water quality is very good at the falls reaches, the water quality is very good at the falls and reaches, the water quality is very good at the falls and it reaches, the water quality is very good at the falls and it would reaches, the water quality is very good at the falls and it would be good at the falls and it would be wrong good at the falls and it would be wrong for good at the falls and it would be wrong for the good at the falls and it would be wrong for the Green good at the falls and it would be wrong for the Green Party good at the falls and it would be wrong for the Green Party to good at the falls and it would be wrong for the Green Party to run wrong for the Green Party to run that wrong for the Green Party to run that down. wrong for the Green Party to run that down. 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Given that the New Zealand Freshwater Sciences Society Zealand Freshwater Sciences Society comprising Zealand Freshwater Sciences Society comprising 400 Zealand Freshwater Sciences Society comprising 400 fresh Zealand Freshwater Sciences Society comprising 400 fresh water comprising 400 fresh water scientists comprising 400 fresh water scientists and comprising 400 fresh water scientists and professionals, scientists and professionals, dispute scientists and professionals, dispute Rowarth's scientists and professionals, dispute Rowarth's full scientists and professionals, dispute Rowarth's full claim, scientists and professionals, dispute Rowarth's full claim, should dispute Rowarth's full claim, should we dispute Rowarth's full claim, should we have dispute Rowarth's full claim, should we have faith dispute Rowarth's full claim, should we have faith that dispute Rowarth's full claim, should we have faith that the dispute Rowarth's full claim, should we have faith that the EPA dispute Rowarth's full claim, should we have faith that the EPA is dispute Rowarth's full claim, should we have faith that the EPA is able we have faith that the EPA is able to we have faith that the EPA is able to make we have faith that the EPA is able to make good we have faith that the EPA is able to make good decisions we have faith that the EPA is able to make good decisions about to make good decisions about hazardous to make good decisions about hazardous chemicals to make good decisions about hazardous chemicals and to make good decisions about hazardous chemicals and water to make good decisions about hazardous chemicals and water and hazardous chemicals and water and protect hazardous chemicals and water and protect our hazardous chemicals and water and protect our environment? hazardous chemicals and water and protect our environment? Professor protect our environment? Professor Rowarth's, protect our environment? Professor hazardous protect our environment? Professor Rowarth's, who's a protect our environment? Professor Rowarth's, who's a new protect our environment? 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Will term as a professor at Waikato University. Will the term as a professor at Waikato University. Will the Minister term as a professor at Waikato University. Will the Minister rule University. Will the Minister rule in University. Will the Minister rule in or University. Will the Minister rule in or out University. Will the Minister rule in or out invoking University. Will the Minister rule in or out invoking section University. Will the Minister rule in or out invoking section 142 University. Will the Minister rule in or out invoking section 142 of in or out invoking section 142 of the in or out invoking section 142 of the Resource in or out invoking section 142 of the Resource Management in or out invoking section 142 of the Resource Management Act in or out invoking section 142 of the Resource Management Act and the Resource Management Act and appoint the Resource Management Act and appoint a the Resource Management Act and appoint a board the Resource Management Act and appoint a board of the Resource Management Act and appoint a board of inquiry the Resource Management Act and appoint a board of inquiry for the Resource Management Act and appoint a board of inquiry for the appoint a board of inquiry for the Healthy appoint a board of inquiry for the Healthy Rivers appoint a board of inquiry for the Healthy Rivers Plan appoint a board of inquiry for the Healthy Rivers Plan for appoint a board of inquiry for the Healthy Rivers Plan for Change, appoint a board of inquiry for the Healthy Rivers Plan for Change, in Healthy Rivers Plan for Change, in light Healthy Rivers Plan for Change, in light of Healthy Rivers Plan for Change, in light of complaints Healthy Rivers Plan for Change, in light of complaints of Healthy Rivers Plan for Change, in light of complaints of farmers Healthy Rivers Plan for Change, in light of complaints of farmers in light of complaints of farmers in the light of complaints of farmers in the area light of complaints of farmers in the area that light of complaints of farmers in the area that it light of complaints of farmers in the area that it will light of complaints of farmers in the area that it will put light of complaints of farmers in the area that it will put them light of complaints of farmers in the area that it will put them out the area that it will put them out of the area that it will put them out of business? the area that it will put them out of business? Mr the area that it will put them out of business? Mr Speaker, the area that it will put them out of business? Mr Speaker, the the area that it will put them out of business? Mr Speaker, the process of business? Mr Speaker, the process under of business? Mr Speaker, the process under the of business? Mr Speaker, the process under the Resource of business? Mr Speaker, the process under the Resource Management of business? Mr Speaker, the process under the Resource Management Act under the Resource Management Act where under the Resource Management Act where I, under the Resource Management Act where I, as under the Resource Management Act where I, as Minister, under the Resource Management Act where I, as Minister, can under the Resource Management Act where I, as Minister, can call under the Resource Management Act where I, as Minister, can call in under the Resource Management Act where I, as Minister, can call in a where I, as Minister, can call in a plan where I, as Minister, can call in a plan change where I, as Minister, can call in a plan change is where I, as Minister, can call in a plan change is only where I, as Minister, can call in a plan change is only time-limited where I, as Minister, can call in a plan change is only time-limited to plan change is only time-limited to a plan change is only time-limited to a period plan change is only time-limited to a period prior plan change is only time-limited to a period prior to plan change is only time-limited to a period prior to the plan change is only time-limited to a period prior to the notification. a period prior to the notification. 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The notification of the plan changes The notification of the plan changes on The notification of the plan changes on the The notification of the plan changes on the Waikato The notification of the plan changes on the Waikato River The notification of the plan changes on the Waikato River that The notification of the plan changes on the Waikato River that are on the Waikato River that are publicly-available on the Waikato River that are publicly-available for on the Waikato River that are publicly-available for submissions publicly-available for submissions right publicly-available for submissions right now publicly-available for submissions right now has publicly-available for submissions right now has passed publicly-available for submissions right now has passed that publicly-available for submissions right now has passed that point right now has passed that point where right now has passed that point where I right now has passed that point where I could right now has passed that point where I could intervene. right now has passed that point where I could intervene. 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But it would be unusual for the Government would be unusual for the Government to would be unusual for the Government to step would be unusual for the Government to step in would be unusual for the Government to step in and would be unusual for the Government to step in and effectively would be unusual for the Government to step in and effectively take would be unusual for the Government to step in and effectively take over to step in and effectively take over a to step in and effectively take over a Regional to step in and effectively take over a Regional Council's to step in and effectively take over a Regional Council's most to step in and effectively take over a Regional Council's most important a Regional Council's most important function a Regional Council's most important function of a Regional Council's most important function of water a Regional Council's most important function of water quality. a Regional Council's most important function of water quality. 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We'll now <INTERRUPTION> Order! We'll now move <INTERRUPTION> Order! We'll now move to <INTERRUPTION> Order! We'll now move to question Order! We'll now move to question No. Order! We'll now move to question No. 11. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: Does Finance: Does he Finance: Does he agree Finance: Does he agree with Finance: Does he agree with Nobel Does he agree with Nobel Prize-winning Does he agree with Nobel Prize-winning economist Does he agree with Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman, Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman, "A Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman, "A country's Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman, "A country's ability Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman, "A country's ability to Krugman, "A country's ability to improve Krugman, "A country's ability to improve its Krugman, "A country's ability to improve its standard Krugman, "A country's ability to improve its standard of Krugman, "A country's ability to improve its standard of living Krugman, "A country's ability to improve its standard of living over improve its standard of living over time improve its standard of living over time depends improve its standard of living over time depends almost improve its standard of living over time depends almost entirely improve its standard of living over time depends almost entirely on improve its standard of living over time depends almost entirely on its time depends almost entirely on its ability time depends almost entirely on its ability to time depends almost entirely on its ability to raise time depends almost entirely on its ability to raise its time depends almost entirely on its ability to raise its output time depends almost entirely on its ability to raise its output per ability to raise its output per worker"; ability to raise its output per worker"; if ability to raise its output per worker"; if so, ability to raise its output per worker"; if so, can ability to raise its output per worker"; if so, can he ability to raise its output per worker"; if so, can he confirm ability to raise its output per worker"; if so, can he confirm that worker"; if so, can he confirm that real worker"; if so, can he confirm that real GDP worker"; if so, can he confirm that real GDP per worker"; if so, can he confirm that real GDP per hour worker"; if so, can he confirm that real GDP per hour worked worker"; if so, can he confirm that real GDP per hour worked has worker"; if so, can he confirm that real GDP per hour worked has not real GDP per hour worked has not grown real GDP per hour worked has not grown in real GDP per hour worked has not grown in New real GDP per hour worked has not grown in New Zealand real GDP per hour worked has not grown in New Zealand since real GDP per hour worked has not grown in New Zealand since 2012? 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So having more people in work is actually a very good thing. So more actually a very good thing. So more people actually a very good thing. So more people working actually a very good thing. So more people working with actually a very good thing. So more people working with the actually a very good thing. So more people working with the highest people working with the highest participation people working with the highest participation rate people working with the highest participation rate in people working with the highest participation rate in the people working with the highest participation rate in the developed participation rate in the developed world participation rate in the developed participation participation rate in the developed world is an participation rate in the developed world is an indicator participation rate in the developed world is an indicator of participation rate in the developed world is an indicator of success. world is an indicator of success. 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We'll make it likely to see GDP per hour growing. . We'll make it simple. likely to see GDP per hour growing. . We'll make it simple. Order! . We'll make it simple. Order! Supplementary . We'll make it simple. Order! Supplementary question, . We'll make it simple. Order! Supplementary question, Grant Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Is Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Is real Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Is real GDP Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Is real GDP per Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Is real GDP per hour Robertson. Is real GDP per hour worked Robertson. Is real GDP per hour worked lower Robertson. Is real GDP per hour worked lower as Robertson. Is real GDP per hour worked lower as at Robertson. Is real GDP per hour worked lower as at September Robertson. 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Yes, growth at the same time last year? Yes, Mr growth at the same time last year? Yes, Mr Speaker. growth at the same time last year? Yes, Mr Speaker. The growth at the same time last year? Yes, Mr Speaker. The wage growth at the same time last year? Yes, Mr Speaker. The wage growth Yes, Mr Speaker. The wage growth looks Yes, Mr Speaker. The wage growth looks moderate Yes, Mr Speaker. The wage growth looks moderate when Yes, Mr Speaker. The wage growth looks moderate when you Yes, Mr Speaker. The wage growth looks moderate when you look Yes, Mr Speaker. 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So it's been upgraded to 0. 4% for the year. So real it's been upgraded to 0. 4% for the year. So real wage it's been upgraded to 0. 4% for the year. So real wage increases it's been upgraded to 0. 4% for the year. So real wage increases have year. So real wage increases have been year. So real wage increases have been incurring year. So real wage increases have been incurring year-on-year year. So real wage increases have been incurring year-on-year for year. 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How does migrants is somehow going to fix this! How does he migrants is somehow going to fix this! How does he expect migrants is somehow going to fix this! How does he expect New this! How does he expect New Zealanders this! How does he expect New Zealanders to this! How does he expect New Zealanders to get this! How does he expect New Zealanders to get ahead this! How does he expect New Zealanders to get ahead with this! 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Well, Mr Speaker, I'm very pleased for those, Speaker, I'm very pleased for those, I Speaker, I'm very pleased for those, I think Speaker, I'm very pleased for those, I think 135,000 Speaker, I'm very pleased for those, I think 135,000 New Speaker, I'm very pleased for those, I think 135,000 New Zealanders, Speaker, I'm very pleased for those, I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who have I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who have a I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who have a job I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who have a job now I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who have a job now that I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who have a job now that didn't I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who have a job now that didn't exist I think 135,000 New Zealanders, who have a job now that didn't exist - have a job now that didn't exist - that have a job now that didn't exist - that didn't have a job now that didn't exist - that didn't exist have a job now that didn't exist - that didn't exist - have a job now that didn't exist - that didn't exist - just have a job now that didn't exist - that didn't exist - just a have a job now that didn't exist - that didn't exist - just a couple have a job now that didn't exist - that didn't exist - just a couple of that didn't exist - just a couple of years that didn't exist - just a couple of years ago. that didn't exist - just a couple of years ago. 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Question productivity per hour is likely to rise. Question No. productivity per hour is likely to rise. Question No. 12. 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Government is better for business. Thank Government is better for business. Thank you, Government is better for business. Thank you, Mr Government is better for business. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Government is better for business. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What Government is better for business. Thank you, Mr Speaker. What reports Thank you, Mr Speaker. What reports has Thank you, Mr Speaker. What reports has he Thank you, Mr Speaker. What reports has he seen Thank you, Mr Speaker. What reports has he seen from Thank you, Mr Speaker. What reports has he seen from small Thank you, Mr Speaker. 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