WHAT DO WE WANT? ALL CHANT: AGAINST RAPE! TONIGHT ON 20/20 ` THE SCANDAL THAT PUT A GLARING NEW SPOTLIGHT ON SEXUAL ASSAULT IN AMERICAN UNIVERSITIES. AFTER A ROLLING STONE ARTICLE... THAT SCANDAL ROCKING THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST STORIES TO EVER HIT A COLLEGE CAMPUS EVER. AT THE ELITE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA, AN ALLEGED ATTACK ON A STUDENT KNOWN ONLY AS JACKIE. SHE DOESN'T TELL POLICE BUT DOES TELL THE RENOWNED ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE. THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE FINDING OUT, BY READING A MAGAZINE. REALLY? NOW, SPEAKING ONLY TO 20/20, THE UNIVERSITY DEAN WHO SAYS SHE WAS UNFAIRLY VILIFIED. THEY MADE IT LOOK LIKE I USED THE TRUST OF YOUNG WOMEN TO COVER UP RAPE. BUT TONIGHT ` WHAT IS THE REAL STORY BEHIND AN EXPOSE THAT FELL APART? THEORIES OF DISCREPANCIES. DISCREPANCIES. DISCREPANCIES. WOW. I DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THAT. WAS IT ALL A DEVIOUS PLOT BY JACKIE? DID SHE MAKE UP THE ATTACK TO SNEER THE BOY WHO'D REJECTED HER? SHE'S PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS. SHE'S DOING ANYTHING SHE CAN TO GET YOU TO FALL IN LOVE WITH HER. AND THE MEASURES BECOME MORE AND MORE DESPERATE. YOU BELIEVE SHE STOLE YOUR STORY. THEN THERE'S THE BLOCKBUSTER LIBEL TRIAL THAT SEES ROLLING STONE ON THE STAND. 20/20 HAS THE KEY PLAYERS AND DEPOSITION TAPES NEVER SEEN BEFORE OF A REPORTER WHOSE ARTICLE HAD TO BE RETRACTED. I HAD FULL FAITH IN JACKIE, AND DISCOVERING THAT SHE HAD MISLEAD ME WAS JUST DEVASTATING. 9000 KEYSTROKES. WE WERE DONE. TONIGHT IN 'WHAT HAPPENED TO JACKIE?' COPYRIGHT ABLE 2016 KIA ORA. I'M CAROLYN ROBINSON. IT WAS A BOMBSHELL STORY THAT ROCKED THE AMERICAN UNIVERSITY SYSTEM ` THE STORY OF JACKIE, A FIRST-YEAR STUDENT AT THE PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA WHO CLAIMED SHE'D BEEN RAPED BY A GROUP OF MEN AT A PARTY ON CAMPUS. JACKIE'S STORY WAS PUBLISHED IN ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE AND SAW THE GLARE OF THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA SPOTLIGHT TURN TO THE HIGH INCIDENTS OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE ON AMERICAN CAMPUSES. BUT IT SOON TURNED OUT THAT JACKIE WAS NOT ALL SHE SEEMED TO BE. HERE'S AMY ROBACH WITH 'WHAT HAPPENED TO JACKIE?' REFLECTIVE MUSIC WELCOME WEEKEND AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA WHEN 20,000 STUDENTS DESCEND ON THE SMALL, IDYLLIC SOUTHERN CITY OF CHARLOTTESVILLE, THE CAMPUS GROUNDS SUDDENLY ALIVE WITH WIDE-EYED FIRST YEARS AND THEIR FAMILIES, STEADYING THEMSELVES FOR THAT FIRST COLLEGIATE INSTAGRAM POST AND LONG HUG GOODBYE. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO GO TO UVA. IT'S A SCHOOL THAT'S KNOWN FOR HAVING A REALLY WIDE RANGE OF EFFECTIVE ACADEMIC PROGRAMMES, UH, AND THE CAMPUS IS REALLY NICE TO BOOT. FOUNDED BY THOMAS JEFFERSON, UVA BOASTS NO SHORTAGE OF ACCOMPLISHED ALUMNI, INCLUDING JOURNALIST KATIE COURIC, COMEDIAN TINA FEY AND THE LATE ROBERT F KENNEDY. BUT IT HAS ANOTHER CLAIM TO FAME YOU WON'T SEE ON DISPLAY IN THE ROTUNDA. IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF OUR FIRST YEAR, WE WON THE, UH, PLAYBOY, LIKE, TOP PARTY SCHOOL IN AMERICA AWARD. THERE IS A WORK HARD, PLAY HARD CULTURE AT UVA THAT'S` THAT'S PRETTY PERVASIVE. THE YEAR OF THAT PLAYBOY HONOUR WAS 2012, WHERE OUR STORY BEGINS, AND THE MAIN CHARACTER, A YOUNG WOMAN, A FRESHMAN WE'RE CALLING JACKIE. BY ALL ACCOUNTS, HER INITIAL WEEKS ARE TYPICAL ` GETTING TO KNOW THE GROUNDS AND HER CLASSES AND HANGING OUT IN THE DORMS, WHERE SHE MEETS THREE OTHER FIRST-YEAR STUDENTS, RYAN DUFFIN, KATHRYN HENDLEY AND ALEX STOCK. DO YOU REMEMBER COMING TO UVA, YOUR FRESHMAN YEAR, WHAT IT WAS LIKE? I WAS PRETTY MUCH JUST LOOKING FOR FRIENDS AT THE BEGINNING, AND I MET KATHRYN, AND I MET RYAN, AND THEN THROUGH THEM, I MET JACKIE, AND WE KIND OF FORMED SOMETHING OF A FRIEND GROUP IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS. WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET JACKIE? I FIRST MET JACKIE, UH, MY SECOND DAY AT UVA ` A GOOD PERSON TO SPEND TIME WITH. WE WERE HANGING OUT A LOT IN THE FIRST FEW WEEKS OF SCHOOL, PROBABLY EVER OTHER NIGHT AT LEAST. JUST AS QUICKLY AS THE FRIENDSHIPS FORMED, THEY SAY IT APPEARED THAT JACKIE'S FEELINGS TOWARDS RYAN EXTENDED TO SOMETHING MORE. DID JACKIE TELL YOU THAT SHE HAD FEELINGS FOR YOUR FRIEND RYAN? YEAH, OH, YEAH. PRETTY QUICKLY IT BECAME CLEAR THAT SHE LIKED HIM. BUT YOU WEREN'T INTERESTED IN HER ROMANTICALLY? NO. I DIDN'T WANT TO DATE HER, BUT IT BECAME PRETTY CLEAR, UH, VERY QUICKLY THAT SHE HAD DEVELOPED AN INTEREST IN ME. WE DID GO ON ONE DATE, BECAUSE I FIGURED IF YOU'RE WILLING TO ASK, YOU SHOULD GET A CHANCE, BUT AFTER THAT DATE, I TOLD HER, 'NO, SORRY. UM, I'D RATHER JUST KEEP THIS AS FRIENDS.' YOU SAID THAT TO HER? MM-HM. AND HOW DID SHE RESPOND? UH, SHE STARTED CRYING. DID NOT GO OVER WELL AT ALL. I GUESS THAT REALLY SHOOK HER UP WHEN RYAN WASN'T INTERESTED IN HER. SHE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CRYING HER EYES OUT WITH ME AND KATHRYN. WHAT WOULD SHE SAY WHEN SHE WAS CRYING? JUST MOSTLY, 'WHY DOESN'T HE LIKE ME?' AND SHE WAS DEVASTATED? YEAH, I WOULD SAY SHE WAS PRETTY UPSET. UM, MORE UPSET THAN I THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON WOULD BE ON A CRUSH THAT'S LASTED A WEEK OR TWO. BUT SOON ENOUGH, THEY SAY JACKIE HAS A NEW MAN IN HER LIFE ` AN UPPERCLASSMAN WHO HAPPENS TO BE A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE SCHOOL'S MOST PROMINENT FRATERNITIES ` PHI KAPPA PSI. SHE SAID THAT THERE WAS SOMEBODY IN HER CHEMISTRY CLASS WHO WANTED TO GO ON A DATE WITH HER. DID SHE GIVE THAT PERSON A NAME? YES. SHE SAID HIS NAME WAS HAVEN MONAHAN. REMEMBER THAT NAME, HAVEN MONAHAN, A NAME AS PECULIAR AS IT WILL BECOME PARAMOUNT. THIS NEW, UH, GUY COMES ON THE SCENE WHO'S SUDDENLY INTERESTED IN JACKIE, AND JACKIE LOVES TO TELL US ALL ABOUT IT, I GUESS LOVES TO TELL RYAN ALL ABOUT IT. AND ACCORDING TO HER FRIENDS, JACKIE HAD A WAY WITH WORDS. SHE WAS A GREAT STORYTELLER. SHE ALWAYS TOLD STORIES WITH A LOT OF DETAIL AND A LOT OF SPECIFICS THAT MADE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WERE` ALMOST LIKE YOU WERE THERE. AND ON SEPTEMBER 28, 2012, JACKIE TELLS HER FRIENDS A STORY THAT WILL CHANGE ALL OF THEIR LIVES AND COUNTLESS OTHERS. TAKE US BACK TO THAT NIGHT. > I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM HER WHERE SHE SAID, 'HEY, SOMETHING HAPPENED. 'PLEASE COME MEET ME OUT IN FRONT OF THIS DORM.' YOU IMMEDIATELY GO? YEAH. WHAT DID YOU SEE? > SHE WAS SITTING ON A PICNIC TABLE, UH, NEAR SOME OF THE FIRST-YEAR DORMS. SHE WAS CRYING. UM, SHE, YOU KNOW, WAS OBVIOUSLY REALLY UPSET ABOUT SOMETHING. WHAT DID JACKIE SAY HAPPENED? YOU WERE WAITING FOR HER TO TALK, AND SHE TALKED. YES. RYAN CLAIMS JACKIE TELLS HIM SHE HAD A DATE THAT NIGHT WITH HAVEN, ONE THAT WOULD END CATASTROPHICALLY. HAVEN PARKED HIS CAR OUT IN FRONT OF HIS FRATERNITY HOUSE AND SAID HE HAD TO RUN INSIDE TO GRAB SOMETHING. HE ASKED JACKIE IF SHE WANTED TO COME ALONG. UH, SHE SAID YES, AND SHE SAID THAT ONCE THEY GOT UP TO HIS BEDROOM, THERE WERE FIVE OTHER MEN WAITING IN THE BEDROOM AND HAVEN FORCED JACKIE TO PERFORM ORAL SEX ON THOSE FIVE MEN. WHAT WAS YOUR RESPONSE? THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS GO TO THE POLICE ABOUT IT. JACKIE DIDN'T WANT TO. WHY? COS SHE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO SIT DOWN IN A POLICE STATION AND CONTINUALLY GO OVER IT DETAIL BY DETAIL. SO I CALLED ALEX AND KATHRYN. AND RYAN'S RIGHT, UH, IN FRONT OF THAT DORM WITH JACKIE, AND, UH, HE'S GIVING ME A CALL AND SAID, 'SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAS HAPPENED TO JACKIE. I NEED YOU TO GET HERE RIGHT AWAY.' WE GET TO THE DORM, AND I GO TALK TO RYAN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, AND HE TELLS ME THAT JACKIE'S BEEN RAPED, AND JACKIE WASN'T REALLY TALKING MUCH; JUST KIND OF SITTING THERE, LIKE, AFFIRMING WHAT RYAN TELLS ME. DID YOU TELL HER TO CALL POLICE? THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT RYAN AND I WERE BOTH TELLING HER, AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT AFTER THE ATTACK, SHE WASN'T IN ANY CONDITION TO GO ANYWHERE. SHE JUST WANTED TO GO TO BED. ALEX AND I SPENT THE NIGHT SLEEPING ON SLEEPING BAGS, UH, IN HER DORM ROOM TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE WAS OK. IN THE SUBSEQUENT DAYS, JACKIE'S FRIENDS SAY THEY CONTINUED TO CHECK IN ON HER. DID THE TWO OF YOU GET CLOSER DURING THIS TIME? DID SHE LEAN ON YOU MORE? NO. SO WE ACTUALLY, UM, STOPPED HANGING OUT A FEW WEEKS AFTERWARDS. WHY? IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THE ASSAULT. IT WAS BECAUSE, UH, YET AGAIN, SHE STILL WOULD ASK ME WHY I WAS NOT WILLING TO DATE HER, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER ANSWER THAN 'I DON'T WANT TO', I REALISED THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO CUT OFF THE FRIENDSHIP. IT SEEMED LIKE YOU CAME TO THE REALISATION SHE COULDN'T ACCEPT JUST A FRIENDSHIP. YES. JACKIE CHOOSES NOT TO REPORT THE ASSAULT TO THE POLICE AND DRIFTS AWAY FROM HER THREE FRIENDS. THEN ALMOST TWO YEARS LATER, A REPORTER FROM ROLLING STONE WALKS ON TO THE CAMPUS AND PUTS JACKIE'S STORY, HER FORMER FRIENDS AND THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA IN THE NATION'S CROSSHAIRS. REPORTER: AN ALLEGATION OF A BRUTAL GANG RAPE AT A UVA FRAT HOUSE CAUSED OUTRAGE IN CHARLOTTESVILLE... ALL CHANT: MY DRESS IS NOT A YES! ...AND NATIONWIDE. COMING UP ` JACKIE'S STORY GOES NATIONAL. THE STUDENT TOLD ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE THAT SHE WAS GANG-RAPED AT A PARTY. A CAMPUS AND A COUNTRY TAKING THE STORY AS GOSPEL. THE ARTICLE WAS NOT TO BE QUESTIONED. IT WAS THE WORD OF GOD WHEN IT CAME OUT. THAT ROLLING STONE ARTICLE SPARKED A NATIONWIDE DEBATE ON ATTITUDES TO SEXUAL VIOLENCE, ESPECIALLY IN US UNIVERSITIES. BUT WHEN 20/20 RETURNS, JACKIE'S STORY IS TO COME UNDER INCREASING SCRUTINY. 1 WELCOME BACK TO 20/20 AND TONIGHT'S STORY, 'WHAT HAPPENED TO JACKIE?' AN ARTICLE IN ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE ABOUT THE BRUTAL RAPE OF A YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENT WAS A MAJOR SHOCK FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. IT MADE NATIONAL, EVEN INTERNATIONAL HEADLINES AND STARTED A DEBATE ON SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN AMERICAN SOCIETY. BUT WHAT IF JACKIE'S NOT TELLING THE TRUTH? AMY ROBACH PICKS UP THE STORY. TWO YEARS HAVE PASSED SINCE THE ALLEGED ATTACK ON A FIRST-YEAR STUDENT IN THIS STATELY FRATERNITY HOUSE ON UVA'S GREEK ROW. IT'S NOVEMBER 2014, AND JUST DAYS BEFORE STUDENTS HEAD OUT FOR THANKSGIVING, THEY'RE BLINDSIDED BY AN INCENDIARY 9000-WORD EXPOSE IN ROLLING STONE TITLED 'A RAPE ON CAMPUS'. I REMEMBER THAT MORNING I WOKE UP, AND I REMEMBER READING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, 'THERE'S THIS ARTICLE THAT'S COME OUT, BOMBSHELL ARTICLE. YOU HAVE TO READ IT.' A ROLLING STONE ARTICLE... THAT SCANDAL ROCKING THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA. THE TIMING COULDN'T BE WORSE, THE SCHOOL, SEEMINGLY CURSED, REELING FROM THE HIGH-PROFILE MURDER OF STUDENT-ATHLETE YEARDLEY LOVE,... REPORTER: THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA STUDENT MURDERED BY HER FORMER BOYFRIEND. ...AND THAT SAME FALL, THE DISAPPEARANCE AND MURDER OF CO-ED HANNAH GRAHAM. SEARCHERS IN VIRGINIA STUMBLED ACROSS WHAT THEY NOW BELIEVE ARE GRAHAM'S REMAINS. IT WAS NOT THE USUAL KIND OF ATMOSPHERE ON CAMPUS. THERE WAS SOMETHING AMISS. NOW THE EXPLOSIVE ROLLING STONES STORY, BUT THIS ACCOUNT SOUNDS EVEN WORSE ` MORE LURID AND DRAMATIC THAN THE VERSION HER FRIENDS RECALL HEARING. JACKIE'S DATE TAKES HER TO A RAUCOUS FRAT PARTY AT PHI KAPPA PSI. SHE TAKES HIS HAND AS HE USHERS HER INTO A BEDROOM. THE DOOR CLOSES BEHIND THEM, THE ROOM PITCH-BLACK INSIDE. A BODY BARRELS INTO HER. SHE HEARS SOMEONE SAY... THREE HOURS OF SHEER AGONY AS SHE SAYS... JACKIE RUNS SHOELESS OUT OF THE FRAT HOUSE, FACE BEATEN, HER RED DRESS SPATTERED WITH BLOOD. SHE RUNS INTO THE ARMS OF THREE FRIENDS, BUT INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE POLICE, THERE'S A HEATED DEBATE, ONE FRIEND WARNING... WHILE THE ARTICLE CONTAINS RICH DETAIL ABOUT THE NIGHT IN QUESTION, THE REPORTER SAYS JACKIE DECLINED TO IDENTIFY HER ATTACKERS BY NAME. THE JOURNALIST WHO BROKE THE STORY FOR ROLLING STONE, SABRINA. SABRINA. SABRINA RUBIN ERDELY. THE ROLLING STONE REPORTER, SABRINA RUBIN ERDELY, BECOMES A ROCKSTAR IN HER OWN RIGHT, A SEASONED JOURNALIST WITH NUMEROUS SEXUAL-ASSAULT STORIES TO HER PORTFOLIO. I MET A YOUNG WOMAN NAMED JACKIE. SHE BECOMES A SOUGHT-AFTER TALK SHOW GUEST, HAMMERING THE UVA ADMINISTRATION FOR WHAT SHE SAYS WAS INDIFFERENCE TO JACKIE'S CLAIMS. SHE, UM, WENT TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND TOLD THEM THAT SHE HAD BEEN GANG-RAPED, AND THE ADMINISTRATION DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. IN FACT, IN THE ARTICLE, JACKIE CLAIMS SHE TOLD THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT TWO OTHER RAPE ALLEGATIONS AT THAT SAME FRATERNITY BUT SAYS NO ACTION WAS TAKEN. NOT ONLY WAS THERE NO INVESTIGATION, BUT THE CAMPUS ALSO` THE ADMINISTRATION APPARENTLY DECIDED THAT, UM, THERE WAS NO REASON TO WARN THE REST OF THE CAMPUS THAT THERE HAD BEEN MULTIPLE ALLEGATIONS OF GANG RAPE AGAINST A FRATERNITY THAT CONTINUED TO HOLD PARTIES EVERY WEEKEND. AND ANOTHER LIGHTNING STRIKE IN THE ARTICLE? JACKIE ONCE ASKED ASSOCIATE DEAN OF STUDENTS NICOLE ERAMO WHY UVA'S RAPE STATS WERE HARD TO FIND. SHE SAYS THE DEAN ANSWERED... IT WAS MY SENSE THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA WAS JUST STONEWALLING AND NOT ALLOWING JACKIE TO GET HELP. IF JACKIE SOUNDED CREDIBLE TO ANYONE, IT WAS THIS WOMAN. MY ATTACK HAPPENED FIVE WEEKS INTO MY COLLEGE CAREER. I WAS 17. LIZ SECCURO WAS ANOTHER YOUNG FRESHMAN WHEN SHE SAYS SHE WAS GANG-RAPED AT THE SAME PHI KAPPA PSI HOUSE AT UVA IN 1984. I JUST REMEMBER THIS YOUNG MAN ` YOU KNOW, I WAS CLEARLY IMPAIRED ` LOCKED ME IN A ROOM AND CUT THE LIGHTS. YOU WERE SCREAMING. I WAS SCREAMING, AND I THOUGHT, 'I'M GOING TO DIE HERE.' BUT SECCURO SURVIVED AND ULTIMATELY TURNED IN HER ATTACKER,... REPORTER: WILLIAM BEEBE PLEADED GUILTY TO AGGRAVATED SEXUAL BATTERY. ...MAKING HER A HERO TO SEX-ASSAULT SURVIVORS. YOU WROTE A MEMOIR ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE. HOW WELL KNOWN IS THE LIZ SECCURO STORY ON CAMPUS? MY BOOK IS IN THE LIBRARY. IT'S IN THE WOMEN'S CENTRE. THERE WAS A BOOK TOUR. IT WAS NATIONAL. SO IT'S VERY WELL KNOWN. SO LIZ SECCURO WAS ONLY TOO WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ROLLING STONE ARTICLE, CONCERNED THAT HISTORY WAS POSSIBLY REPEATING ITSELF. YOU WERE OBVIOUSLY STRUCK BY THE SIMILARITIES OF JACKIE'S STORY TO YOUR STORY. HOW SO? WHAT SPECIFICALLY? WELL, THE HOUSE FIRST OF ALL, AND I THINK` I THINK SABRINA PROBABLY THOUGHT, 'OH MY GOD, IS THIS SOME SORT OF SICK TRADITION?' KNOW WHO ELSE WAS WONDERING? THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. ONE OF THE REASONS ROLLING STONE WAS INTERESTED IN UVA IS BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, IT WAS ONE OF 85 SCHOOLS UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR ALLEGEDLY MISHANDLING SEXUAL-ASSAULT COMPLAINTS. UVA WAS NOT PROVIDING PROMPT OR EQUITABLE RESPONSES TO SEXUAL-ASSAULT VICTIMS WHO CHOSE TO REPORT. WHEN THE ARTICLE COMES, THERE IS A TORRENT OF REACTION ` SHOCK NOT JUST AT JACKIE'S HORRIFIC ATTACK BUT ALSO AT THE WAY THE UNIVERSITY HANDLED HER CASE. DEAN ERAMO, THE PUBLIC FACE OF THE SCANDAL, BECOMES PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE... MAN CHANTS: WHOSE UNIVERSITY? PROTESTORS CHANT: OUR UNIVERSITY! ...AS PROTESTERS REPLACE PARTYGOERS ON UVA'S GREEK ROW. WOMAN CHANTS: WHAT DO WE WANT? PROTESTERS CHANT: AN END TO RAPE! PHI KAPPA SI HOUSE IS DEFACED, A BRICK THROWN THROUGH ITS WINDOW, 'UVA CENTRE FOR RAPE STUDIES' SPRAY-PAINTED ACROSS ITS EXTERIOR. 'ISTANDWITHJACKIE' HASHTAGS TREND NATIONWIDE. UVA PRESIDENT TERESA SULLIVAN HOLDS A PRESS CONFERENCE,... WE HAVE A PROBLEM, AND WE'RE GONNA GET AFTER IT. ...SUSPENDING GREEK LIFE AND CALLING FOR CHARLOTTESVILLE POLICE TO INVESTIGATE THE HEINOUS CRIME. IT WAS SOMETHING I HAD TO STRUGGLE WITH ` 'DO WE KNOW THIS?' (CHUCKLES) 'DID ANYONE TELL US THIS? IS THIS THE FIRST WE'RE FINDING OUT, BY READING A MAGAZINE? REALLY?' COMING UP ` 'REALLY?' BECOMES A REAL QUESTION WHEN A NEW REPORTER STARTS DIGGING. YOU WEREN'T SETTING OUT TO DISPROVE THIS STORY. ABSOLUTELY NOT. I WAS SETTING OUT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE STORY. I TOLD EVERYBODY THAT I MET THAT I JUST WANNA FIND OUT THE TRUTH. TURNS OUT THE TRUTH WOULD BECOME A MOVING TARGET, BUT NOT BEFORE THE DEAN BECOMES A MOVING PARIAH, FEARFUL SHE MAY BE THE NEXT TARGET OF VIOLENCE. 'DEAR NICOLE ERAMO, THE DEAN OF RAPE. I HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE A DAUGHTER.' OUR INTERVIEW WITH THE WOMAN IN THE EYE OF THE STORM NEXT. AFTER THE BREAK, THAT INTERVIEW WITH NICOLE ERAMO, THE WOMAN WHO WAS THE PUBLIC FACE OF THE UNIVERSITY AND WHO WAS ACCUSED OF COVERING UP JACKIE'S ALLEGED RAPE. Get your child covered for free with NIB Health Insurance. If you're a parent, get NIB's top private hospital plus by December 31 and we'll cover one of your little whippersnappers for free. Hurry - offer ends 31 December. So buy online or call us on 0800 123 NIB. DRAMATIC MUSIC WELCOME BACK TO 20/20 AS 'WHAT HAPPENED TO JACKIE?' CONTINUES. THE ROLLING STONE ARTICLE, 'A RAPE ON CAMPUS', SAW ONE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA'S MANAGEMENT TEAM BECOME THE FOCUS OF THE PUBLIC'S RAGE. NOW, NICOLE ERAMO SPEAKS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THAT ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED TO 20/20'S AMY ROBACH. ROCK MUSIC FOR 49 YEARS, IT'S BEEN CONSIDERED THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF ROCK, BUT NOW THE ROLLING STONE ARTICLE ABOUT AN ALLEGED RAPE IS ROCKING THE VERY FOUNDATION OF AN ELITE UNIVERSITY, THE MOST READ NON-CELEBRITY STORY IN ITS HISTORY. THE UNIVERSITY FOUNDED BY THOMAS JEFFERSON NOW FINDS ITSELF IN TOTAL CRISIS. THE STATE'S ATTORNEY GENERAL IS APPOINTING A SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR. THERE'S SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THE UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS IN CHARGE OF THESE STUDENTS. AND THE PUBLIC FACE OF THAT SCANDAL? ASSOCIATE DEAN OF STUDENTS NICOLE ERAMO, WHO SHARED WITH US JUST A TAME SELECTION OF THE ONSLAUGHT OF HATE MAIL SHE RECEIVED IN ITS WAKE. READS: DEAR NICOLE ERAMO, THE DEAN OF RAPE. I REALLY HOPE THAT AN ENTERPRISING US ATTORNEY FINDS A WAY TO THROW YOU IN PRISON. GOD WILL HAVE HIS DAY WITH YOU AND HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE. YOU'RE A DESPICABLE HUMAN BEING. ERAMO BREAKING HER SILENCE FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED. I JUST THOUGHT, 'WHAT AM I GONNA DO?' AND... THAT WAS HARD. IT WAS VERY HARD. HARDEST, PERHAPS, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO ERAMO, SHE IS NOT ONLY AN EMPLOYEE WHO LOVED HER STUDENTS ` THIS IS MY UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA RING. SHE'S ALSO A PROUD UVA ALUM. I'M PROUD OF IT. I HAVE THREE DEGREES FROM UVA. AS THE ASSOCIATE DEAN OF STUDENTS, YOU WERE ALSO THE CHAIR OF UVA'S MISCONDUCT BOARD. THE SEXUAL-MISCONDUCT BOARD, YES. SO FRONT-LINE DEALING WITH, UH, THOSE WHO CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED ON CAMPUS, CORRECT? YES. ONE OF THEM WAS JACKIE. JACKIE CAME TO HER ABOUT A YEAR AFTER HER ALLEGED ASSAULT, YET WHEN ERAMO READ THE ACCOUNT IN ROLLING STONE, SHE SAYS IT WAS PRACTICALLY UNRECOGNISABLE. MY HEART SUNK. IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I KNEW OF THE STORY, SO I WAS VERY CONFUSED AT FIRST. LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T SHE TELL ME? YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD SHE PROVIDE ALL THIS INFORMATION AND NOT PROVIDE IT TO ME AND LET ME HELP HER? SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY FIRST REACTION. ERAMO SAYS JACKIE'S ACCOUNT IN THE MAGAZINE WAS FAR MORE SPECIFIC, FAR MORE VIOLENT, AND THE PORTRAYAL OF HER SUPPORT OF JACKIE VERY MISLEADING. IT PORTRAYED HER AS A CALLOUS, INDIFFERENT ADMINISTRATOR WHO BECAME A FALSE FRIEND OF JACKIE IN ORDER TO CODDLE HER INTO NOT REPORTING HER SEXUAL ASSAULT BEYOND` BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF DEAN ERAMO'S OFFICE. THE ROLLING STONE REPORTER REQUESTED AN INTERVIEW WITH ERAMO, BUT THE SCHOOL WOULDN'T ALLOW HER TO PARTICIPATE. NEVERTHELESS, SHE'S MENTIONED BY NAME 31 TIMES, AND THE ARTICLE INCLUDES THIS PHOTO ILLUSTRATION OF HER, AND AS YOU'LL FIND OUT, IT WILL BECOME A MAJOR POINT OF CONTENTION IN THE STORY. HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE HOW ROLLING STONE PORTRAYED YOU? THEY MADE IT LOOK LIKE I USED THE TRUST OF YOUNG WOMEN TO COVER UP RAPES, AND THAT WAS SO FAR FROM ANYTHING I WOULD EVER DO. IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE TO ME. QUOTE, 'BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO SEND THEIR DAUGHTER TO THE RAPE SCHOOL.' DID YOU SAY THAT? NO. DID SHE MAKE THAT UP? I CAN'T SAY, BUT I KNOW I DIDN'T SAY IT. WOULD YOU HAVE EVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO AN ALLEGED VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA? NO. ERAMO SAYS DESPITE HER ISSUES WITH THE ACCURACY OF THE ARTICLE, HER HANDS WERE TIED DUE TO PRIVACY LAWS. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF MY INTERACTIONS WITH STUDENTS. YOU COULDN'T DEFEND YOURSELF? NO. THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO TO SPEAK TO WHAT I KNEW WASN'T ACCURATE, AND THAT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT. YOU WERE SCARED? YEAH, I THOUGHT I` I WAS SURE I WAS GONNA BE FIRED. I WAS SURE OF THAT,... AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF I COULD DO IT, HONESTLY, AND I WENT TO WORK EVERY DAY, AND I TRIED TO DO IT, BUT I WASN'T SURE I COULD DO IT. (SNIFFS) BUT WHILE THE FIRES OF FURY BURN ON CAMPUS AT UVA, ANOTHER REPORTER IS ABOUT TO STOKE THE FLAMES FROM ABOUT 120 MILES EAST AT THE WASHINGTON POST. MEET T REES SHAPIRO. SHAPIRO WORKS THE POST'S EDUCATION BEAT. I HAD BEEN IN CHARLOTTESVILLE FOR THE BETTER PART OF SIX WEEKS COVERING THE HANNAH GRAHAM DISAPPEARANCE, AND A LOT OF THE FEELING THAT I GOT AT THE TIME WAS, 'HOW COME WE ARE TOTALLY BLIND-SIDED BY THIS REPORT OUT OF ROLLING STONE, 'A NATIONAL OUTLET THAT HAS NO CONNECTION TO CHARLOTTESVILLE WHATSOEVER'? YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD MISSED SOMETHING. AND I HAD. I HAD MISSED SOMETHING. I` I` IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST STORIES TO EVER HIT A COLLEGE CAMPUS EVER. SOON ENOUGH, SHAPIRO IS OUT OF THE NEWSROOM AND BACK IN CHARLOTTESVILLE TALKING TO STUDENTS. YOU WEREN'T SETTING OUT TO DISPROVE THIS STORY. ABSOLUTELY NOT. I WAS SETTING OUT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM, UH, OF THE STORY. SHAPIRO GOES RIGHT TO THE SOURCE, JACKIE HERSELF, AND OVER A COFFEE, HE SAYS SHE DOUBLES DOWN ON THE STORY SHE TOLD TO ROLLING STONE. TELL ME ABOUT YOUR IMPRESSIONS OF JACKIE WHEN YOU SAT DOWN WITH HER. EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT, UH, COMPOSED, SORT OF, GENTLY MANNERED. UM, SHE CAME UP TO ME AND INTRODUCED HERSELF AND SAID, 'OH, HEY. I'M JACKIE.' AND SHE WASN'T AFRAID TO BE IN PUBLIC EITHER. AT THAT POINT, EVERYBODY, IT SEEMED, IN THE NATION KNEW HER NAME AND KNEW OF HER` OF HER STORY. UM, AND SHE DIDN'T SHY AWAY FROM ME. SHE DIDN'T ALSO SHY AWAY FROM ANY QUESTION THAT I ASKED HER. WAS SHE DETAILED? VERY DETAILED, ABSOLUTELY, AND I WENT TO MY EDITOR, AND I SAID, 'WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPOKEN WITH HER, 'AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE, UM, A REALLY GOOD INTERVIEW HERE,' AND HE APPROPRIATELY SAID, 'WELL, NOW IT'S OUR TURN TO GET TO THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER TOO,' AND THAT WE NEED TO FIND, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO ALLEGEDLY ASSAULTED HER. ON CAMPUS, SHAPIRO CAN'T FIND THOSE ALLEGED ATTACKERS, BUT WHO HE DOES FIND BRINGS THE KIND OF BREAKTHROUGH SEASONED REPORTERS BANK ON. THE THREE FRIENDS THAT JACKIE HAD` HAD MET, UM, IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF THAT, THEY WEREN'T HIDING. THEY WERE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH ME. IN FACT, THOSE THREE FRIENDS MIGHT HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO TALK TO ROLLING STONE TOO, BUT THEY DIDN'T. WHY? JACKIE ANSWERED FOR THEM, TELLING THE MAGAZINE THEY DECLINED. SABRINA ASKED JACKIE TO REACH OUT TO ME. JACKIE TOLD SABRINA THAT I HAD SAID NO. COMING UP ` WHEN JACKIE'S FRIENDS SAY YES TO INTERVIEWS, HER STORY STARTS TO CRUMBLE AND A DIFFERENT ONE EMERGES. I THINK SHE HAD A CRUSH ON A BOY AND WAS TRYING TO GET HIS ATTENTION. I THINK IT'S` IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. BUT NOTHING SEEMS SIMPLE IN THIS STORY, AND WHEN 20/20 RETURNS ` REMEMBER THE MYSTERY MAN, HAVEN MONAHAN, THE MAN JACKIE SAID BROUGHT HER BACK TO HIS FRATERNITY HOUSE WHERE SHE WAS ATTACKED? WE'LL FIND OUT WHO HE REALLY IS. DRAMATIC MUSIC WELCOME BACK TO 20/20 AND TONIGHT'S STORY, 'WHAT HAPPENED TO JACKIE?' THE PUBLICATION OF A STORY ABOUT A RAPE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA DREW INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION TO SEXUAL VIOLENCE IN US COLLEGES, BUT AS AMY ROBACH REPORTS, WITH NEW INFORMATION COMING TO LIGHT, DOUBTS BEGIN TO EMERGE ABOUT THE ARTICLE AND ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO JACKIE. AFTER HOURS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, FRAT LIFE BACK IN FULL SWING, BUT BACK ON CAMPUS, TWO STORIES HAVE EMERGED IN THE ALLEGED RAPE OF A COLLEGE CO-ED, THE ONE ON THE RECORD IN ROLLING STONE AND THE ONE THAT'S JUST STARTING TO CIRCULATE THAT IT'S MAYBE ALL A LIE. THEORIES OF DISCREPANCIES. DISCREPANCIES. DISCREPANCIES. THE FRATERNITY SAYS NO PARTY HAPPENED THE NIGHT IN QUESTION. REPORTER: THERE WAS NO SOCIAL EVENT AT THE HOUSE... REPORTER: ...DURING THE WEEKEND OF SEPTEMBER 28... REPORTER: ...THE ACCUSER SAID SHE ATTENDED AND WAS RAPED. REPORTER SABRINA RUBIN ERDELY GETS ON THE PHONE WITH JACKIE, ASKING HER AGAIN TO GIVE HER THE NAME OF THE RINGLEADER OF HER ATTACK. JACKIE GIVES HER ONE BUT WAVERS ON THE SPELLING. IT'S A RED FLAG FOR ERDELY. AFTER SHE CAN'T FIND ANYONE MATCHING THAT NAME AND ANOTHER UNSETTLING CALL WITH JACKIE, SHE FIRES OFF THIS OMINOUS EMAIL TO HER EDITORS ` THE SUBJECT LINE ` 'OUR WORST NIGHTMARE'. WITHIN HOURS, THEY POST AN EDITOR'S NOTE ONLINE ACKNOWLEDGING MISTAKES IN THE REPORTING PROCESS. FOR THE FIRST TIME ON THIS STORY, THE VAUNTED MAGAZINE IS BACKTRACKING. THEY TURN TO THE COLUMBIA JOURNALISM SCHOOL TO CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW. MEANWHILE, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY FINISHING UP A REVIEW THAT THEY'RE DOING ON ROLLING STONE. BUT THAT OTHER REPORTER, THE WASHINGTON POST'S T REES SHAPIRO HAD ALREADY BEGUN HIS OWN REPORTING, STARTING WITH JACKIE'S THREE FRIENDS, NOW UNDER THE MICROSCOPE. THEIR VERSION OF HER STORY WAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE THAT APPEARED IN ROLLING STONE. TOTALLY DIFFERENT. THOSE FRIENDS? TWO OF THEM YOU MET EARLIER, ALEX AND RYAN. NAMED ANDY AND RANDALL IN THE ARTICLE, THEY SAY THEY WERE PORTRAYED AS COLD-HEARTED WHEN JACKIE CAME TO THEM IN CRISIS. THERE WERE ALL THESE HORRIBLE QUOTES ATTRIBUTED TO ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 'QUIT BEING A BABY,' AND, 'WE WANNA GET IN A FRATERNITY, SO STOP WHINING,' AND I WAS THINKING, 'I DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THAT.' THAT CONVERSATION NEVER HAPPENED. WE WANTED HER TO, YOU KNOW, GO TO AUTHORITIES. SABRINA DID REACH OUT TO YOU AFTER THE ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED. YES. SABRINA CALLED ME WITH ONE QUESTION. SHE WANTED TO KNOW IF JACKIE HAD EVER ACTUALLY ASKED ME TO BE A PART OF THE INITIAL REPORTING. SHE HAD NOT. IF YOU HAD SPOKEN WITH ROLLING STONE BEFORE THE STORY WAS PUBLISHED, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TOLD THEM? I WOULD'VE TOLD THEM THE STORY AS I WAS TOLD IT BY JACKIE ` THE VERSION OF THE STORY INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE ARTICLE. ONE OF THOSE INCONSISTENCIES? IN THE VERSION THEY HEARD, THERE WERE FIVE ALLEGED ATTACKERS, NOT SEVEN, AND THE RINGLEADER OF THE ASSAULT HAD A NAME ` HAVEN MONAHAN. SHE NAMED HER ATTACKER AS HAVEN MONAHAN. > YES. HAVEN MONAHAN. REMEMBER, HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY JACKIE'S DATE THE NIGHT IN QUESTION. RYAN SAYS JACKIE TOLD HIM SHE WAS NERVOUS ABOUT DATING AN UPPERCLASSMAN, SO SHE ASKED RYAN TO VET HIM. YOU HAD BEEN TEXTING HIM TRYING TO FIND OUT HIS CHARACTER ON JACKIE'S BEHALF. BUT IN THOSE TEXTS OBTAINED BY 20/20, HAVEN SEEMS FRUSTRATED, BECAUSE JACKIE IS CLEARLY SMITTEN WITH SOMEONE ELSE. SO HAVEN STARTED SPEAKING PRETTY QUICKLY ABOUT HOW JACKIE WAS INTERESTED IN SOME OTHER GUY SHE KNEW. THEY WERE DESCRIBING YOU. YES. AND YOU KNEW THAT IMMEDIATELY? IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR. RYAN AND HAVEN NEVER ACTUALLY MET IN PERSON, SO AFTER THE ALLEGED ATTACK, HE WANTS TO CONFRONT HIM. I RAN A SEARCH ON UVA'S STUDENT DIRECTORY TO TRY TO FIND HAVEN MONAHAN ` NO RESULTS. FROM WHAT I COULD TURN UP, THERE WAS NO STUDENT AT UVA NAMED HAVEN MONAHAN. GUESS WHO ELSE FIGURED THAT OUT ` THE CHARLOTTESVILLE POLICE, WHO NOW SAY JACKIE ISN'T COOPERATING WITH ITS INVESTIGATION,... SO THAT WAS AN OBSTACLE FOR US. ...LEADING POLICE CHIEF TIM LONGO TO MAKE THIS BLOCKBUSTER ANNOUNCEMENT. THAT ACT THAT WAS DESCRIBED WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES AS THEY WERE DESCRIBED, UM, IN THE ARTICLE IN ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE. I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT WAS DEPICTED IN THAT ARTICLE TOOK PLACE. DID SOMETHING HAPPEN? I DON'T KNOW. SO WHAT ABOUT THAT ROLLING STONE ARTICLE? IN APRIL 2015, THE COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW WEIGHS IN AND DETERMINES THE STORY WAS, QUOTE, A 'JOURNALISTIC FAILURE' THAT WAS AVOIDABLE. IT WAS THE PRODUCT OF FAILED METHODOLOGY. FIVE MONTHS AFTER PUBLICATION, ROLLING STONE TAKES DOWN ITS STORY. SEEKING TO CLEAR HER NAME AND RESTORE HER REPUTATION, DEAN NICOLE ERAMO FILES A $7.85 MILLION LAWSUIT AGAINST ROLLING STONE AND THAT REPORTER, SABRINA RUBIN ERDELY. NOW DEAN ERAMO FIGHTING BACK AGAINST ATTACKS ON WHAT SHE CALLS HER LIFE'S WORK. LEFT THE ARTICLE... DEFAMATION LAWYERS TOM CLARE AND LIBBY LOCKE TOOK THE CASE. WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO GAIN WITH THIS LAWSUIT? FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE WANT THE RECORD SET STRAIGHT. AS THEY BEGIN TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE CASE, SPECIFICALLY THOSE TEXT MESSAGES, THEY CONCLUDE WHAT MIGHT BE THE MOST INCREDIBLE TWIST YET IN THIS SAD SAGA ` HAVEN WAS JACKIE ALL ALONG. WAS THERE THAT 'AHA' MOMENT WHEN YOU REALISED THAT THIS WAS A HUGE CATFISHING SCHEME? I THINK, UH, RECEIVING THOSE TEXT MESSAGES FROM RYAN AND READING THEM BACK AND FORTH AND SEEING THAT THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT THIS WASN'T JACKIE. HAVEN MONAHAN WAS, IN FACT, JACKIE. YES. JACKIE WAS HAVEN MONAHAN. BETTER PUT. CLARE AND LOCKE SAY THEY DETERMINED THAT JACKIE HAD CREATED FALSE PHONE NUMBERS FOR HAVEN TO MAKE RYAN JEALOUS, AND WHEN THAT DIDN'T WORK, SHE UPPED THE ANTE, CREATING A FAKE STORY ABOUT AN ASSAULT. SHE'S PULLING OUT ALL THE STOPS. SHE'S DOING ANYTHING SHE CAN TO GET YOU TO TALK TO HER, TO CARE ABOUT HER, TO FALL IN LOVE WITH HER. AND THE MEASURES BECOME MORE AND MORE DESPERATE AS TIME GOES ON. SO DESPERATE, RYAN SAYS, AT ONE POINT, JACKIE EVEN TOLD HIM SHE'S SUFFERING FROM A TERMINAL ILLNESS,... SHE SAID THERE WAS A COPY OF HER WILL ON FILE AT STUDENT HEALTH. JACKIE TOLD YOU SHE WAS DYING? YES. ...ALL CONCOCTED, CLARE AND LOCKE BELIEVE, TO WIN RYAN'S HEART. SUCH AN INTRICATE AND COMPLICATED STORY. ALL WOVEN BY ONE PERSON. COMING UP ` THE ROLLING STONE REPORTER IS BEFORE THE CAMERAS AGAIN, THIS TIME UNDER OATH. I DO. < THANK YOU. WHEN WE COME BACK, ROLLING STONE BACKPEDALS, AND THERE ARE STILL PLENTY OF SHOCKS TO COME AS NEW INQUIRIES UNCOVER NEW FACTS. THAT'S WHEN 20/20 RETURNS. DRAMATIC MUSIC WELCOME BACK. AS 20/20 CONTINUES, ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE HAS WRITTEN A RETRACTION. BUT DID JACKIE LIE ABOUT HER RAPE? AND IF SHE DID, WHY? AND WHERE DID SHE GET HER STORY FROM? TWO LAWYERS SAY THEY HAVE THE ANSWER AS 'WHAT HAPPENED TO JACKIE' CONTINUES. MUSIC NOTES BOOM THEY'RE THE MOST RECOGNISABLE TWO NOTES IN ALL OF CRIME DRAMA, BUT DEAN ERAMO'S DEFAMATION LAWYERS SAY THIS SCENE SHOULD RING FAMILIAR TOO. THE RAPE VICTIM IN THAT SVU EPISODE, AS SHE'S BEING ATTACKED, THE PERPETRATORS SAY... GRAB HER LEGS, MAN. COME ON. GRAB HER LEGS. AND THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT JACKIE ALLEGES THAT SHE HEARD ONE OF HER ATTACKERS SAY. LIBBY LOCKE AND TOM CLARE SAY JACKIE PERPETRATED AN ELABORATE HOAX, HER STORY REALLY A SERIES OF COMPOSITES PLUCKED FROM POP CULTURE. LOOK AT THIS ` A LOVE LETTER WRITTEN ABOUT RYAN. THEY SAY JACKIE LIFTED IT FROM... SHE'S GREAT. I MEAN, SHE'S... SHE'S SMART. SHE'S BEAUTIFUL. SHE'S FUNNY. SHE'S... SHE'S A BIG OLD SCAREDY-CAT. (CHUCKLES) IF YOU CREEP UP FROM BEHIND HER, SHE'LL JUMP OUT OF HER SKIN. SHE SEEMS TO HAVE DRAWN SIGNIFICANT COMPONENTS OF HER STORY FROM POP CULTURE. BUT REMEMBER LIZ SECCURO, THE SURVIVOR OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT IN 1984? SHE THINKS JACKIE DREW INSPIRATION FROM AT LEAST ONE NON-FICTION STORY ` HERS. YOU BELIEVE SHE STOLE YOUR STORY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, 100%. NOW NICOLE ERAMO WILL GO TOE TO TOE WITH A MEDIA TITAN ` ROLLING STONE. I THINK THAT THE EVIDENCE IS VERY CLEAR THAT ROLLING STONE ACTED WITH ACTUAL MALICE AND RECKLESSNESS IN REGARD FOR THE TRUTH. ERAMO WILL NEED TO PROVE ROLLING STONE PUBLISHED ITS ARTICLE WITH RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE TRUTH, HER LAWYERS POINTING OUT THAT THE EDITOR'S OWN FACT-CHECKERS RAISED ISSUES BEFORE THE STORY WENT TO PRINT. AND WHAT DO THEY HOLD UP AS THE PROVERBIAL EXHIBIT A? THAT IMAGE OF THE DEAN THAT APPEARED IN THE ARTICLE. SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PHOTO OF YOU. AND THEN THIS IS THE PICTURE THAT APPEARED IN ROLLING STONE. YES. WHAT DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU SEE THIS PICTURE? MY HUSBAND AND I CALL IT A DEVIL PICTURE, COS I LOOK EVIL. IT LOOKS LIKE I'M COMPLETELY INDIFFERENT TO THIS YOUNG WOMAN WHO'S CRYING IN MY OFFICE, WHICH IS A COMPLETE MIS-CHARACTERISATION OF THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT I AM. ROLLING STONE CALLED IT A PHOTO ILLUSTRATION, BUT IT TURNS OUT EVEN THEIR OWN FACT-CHECKER FLAGGED IT, ASKING 'TOO MEAN?' WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK ANY FURTHER THAN WHAT THE FACT-CHECKER AT ROLLING STONE FIRST THOUGHT WHEN SHE SAW THAT ILLUSTRATION. 'IS THIS TOO MEAN?' AND THAT WAS HER INITIAL REACTION. 20/20 REQUESTED AN INTERVIEW WITH SABRINA RUBIN ERDELY ` SHE DECLINED. BUT WE HAVE HER ON TAPE NEVERTHELESS. IN THIS NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN DEPOSITION TAPE FROM THIS PAST SPRING, WE ARE HEARING FROM ERDELY FOR THE FIRST TIME, BEING QUESTIONED UNDER OATH BY ERAMO'S LAWYERS. < UH, MS ERDELY, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JACKIE WAS ACTUALLY GANG-RAPED KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW NOW? I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. < DO YOU ANY BELIEVE WHATSOEVER AS TO WHETHER SHE WAS OR WAS NOT GANG-RAPED? I` I COULDN'T POSSIBLY SPECULATE. IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THAT JACKIE WAS FABRICATING THIS STORY. < JACKIE TOLD YOU THAT SHE WAS RAPED BY SEVEN MEN, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? YES. < DID THAT CAUSE ANY RED FLAGS IN YOUR MIND? NO. I KNEW PRIOR TO PUBLICATION THAT JACKIE HAD ORIGINALLY` WHEN SHE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT HER ASSAULT, SHE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT AS BEING AN ORAL ASSAULT BY FIVE DIFFERENT MEN, UM, BUT SHE HAD TOLD HER` UH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHE TOLD HER ROOMMATE, RACHEL, UM, BUT RACHEL TOLD ME THAT AS JACKIE BECAME MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DETAILS OF HER ASSAULT, SHE CAME FORWARD WITH THE TRUTH, WHICH IS THAT IT HAD ACTUALLY BEEN SEVEN MEN IN A VAGINAL ASSAULT. SHE PROVED TO BE CREDIBLE IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. SHE WAS ABLE TO FURNISH ME WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF, UH, EVIDENCE TO BACK UP WHAT SHE WAS SAYING. AND HERE IS ERDELY'S RESPONSE TO WHY SHE DIDN'T SPEAK WITH RYAN DUFFIN BEFORE THE ARTICLE CAME OUT. < WHAT STEPS DID YOU TAKE TO VERIFY THAT MR DUFFIN ACTUALLY WASN'T WILLING TO SPEAK WITH YOU, < OTHER THAN HAVING JACKIE TELL YOU SO. JACKIE AT THAT POINT WAS A` I TOOK HER AS A VERY CREDIBLE SOURCE, AND, UM, I TOOK HER AT HER WORD THAT, UM` THAT HE DID NOT WANNA SPEAK. BUT THE DECISION TO TRUST JACKIE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS EVIDENTLY A PAINFUL ONE. < WHY DO THESE QUESTIONS UPSET YOU? (SNIFFS) BECAUSE, UM... (SNIFFS) BECAUSE IT JUST` IT` IT BRINGS ME BACK TO THAT T` THE TIME, UM, AFTER I REALISED. (SNIFFS) YOU KNOW, I` I'D HAD FULL FAITH IN JACKIE (SNIFFS) AND IN HER STORY, AND... DISCOVERING THAT, UH... (SNIFFS) THAT SHE HAD MISLED ME OR HAD OMITTED INFORMATION, UM, IT WAS, UH... (SNIFFS, SIGHS) IT WAS` IT WAS JUST DEVASTATING. WHILE ROLLING STONE ADMITS THEY MADE MISTAKES, THEY DEFEND THEIR PORTRAYAL OF THE UVA ADMINISTRATION, POINTING TO THE RESULTS OF THAT FEDERAL INVESTIGATION INTO HOW THE UNIVERSITY HANDLED SEXUAL ASSAULTS, THE GOVERNMENT CONCLUDING AT TIMES, THE SCHOOL FAILED TO PROMPTLY AND EQUITABLY RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS. IN A STATEMENT GIVEN TO ABC NEWS, ROLLING STONE SAYS IN PART... ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS ROLLING STONE SAYS IT FOCUSED ON UVA TO BEGIN WITH WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS ALREADY A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION < INTO HOW THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA HANDLED SEXUAL-ASSAULT CASES ON CAMPUS. DO YOU THINK THERE WAS A PROBLEM? IT'S CERTAINLY AN ISSUE THAT WE STRUGGLED WITH, BUT IT WAS ONE THAT WE WERE DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET BETTER AT. ROLLING STONE, IN FACT, ARGUES THAT THEIR PORTRAYAL OF YOU IS SUPPORTED BY THE OFFICE OF CIVIL RIGHTS' REPORT THAT CONCLUDED UVA, INCLUDING YOU, DEAN ERAMO, VIOLATED TITLE 9 AND CREATED A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT FOR VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AT UVA. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT ACCOUNT. UH, I THINK WE WERE DOING THE BEST WE COULD IN A VERY DIFFICULT CLIMATE IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION. < COULD YOU HAVE DONE BETTER? I THINK EVERYBODY CAN IMPROVE, AND I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO IMPROVE. BUT HERE'S A FACT MENTIONED IN ROLLING STONE THAT ERAMO CAN'T DISPUTE ` DURING HER TENURE AS ASSOCIATE DEAN, NOT A SINGLE STUDENT WAS EVER EXPELLED FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THAT MAY MAKE SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT UVA DID NOT TAKE SEXUAL ASSAULTS ON CAMPUS SERIOUSLY ENOUGH? I CAN CERTAINLY SEE HOW SOME PEOPLE COULD MAKE THAT LEAP, BUT I` I JUST KNOW WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO EVERY DAY, AND WE WERE TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY FROM MY POSITION. 20/20 DID ASK THE UNIVERSITY TO PARTICIPATE IN TONIGHT'S STORY, BUT IT DECLINED. IN THE WAKE OF THE SCANDAL, NICOLE ERAMO IS STILL EMPLOYED AT UVA, BUT SHE'S NO LONGER THE ASSOCIATE DEAN OF STUDENTS. I NOW WORK IN THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR STUDENT AFFAIRS' OFFICE FOR DOING, UM, A BIT MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE, SO I DON'T WORK WITH STUDENTS AS OFTEN. I SEE YOU'RE EMOTIONAL SAYING THAT. IT'S DIFFICULT. IT'S... YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MY PASSION. UM, IT'S BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT ADJUSTMENT TO BE IN A DIFFERENT ROLE AND NOT` NOT HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO BE WITH STUDENTS IN THAT TIME OF NEED. UNDER THE WATCHFUL GAZE OF FOUNDER THOMAS JEFFERSON, UVA STUDENTS ABIDE BY AN HONOUR CODE, PLEDGING NEVER TO LIE, CHEAT OR STEAL, BUT NO AMOUNT OF TRUTH-SEEKING THUS FAR HAS YIELDED AN ANSWER TO THE CENTRAL QUESTION ` WHAT, IF ANYTHING, HAPPENED TO JACKIE? WE ASKED, BUT SHE DIDN'T RESPOND TO OUR REQUEST FOR AN INTERVIEW. WAS THERE ANY QUESTION IN YOUR MIND THAT JACKIE HAD BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED? I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVED IT. AND CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IT. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAPPENED TO HER ON SEPTEMBER 28, HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT NOTHING HAPPENED TO HER BEFORE THAT WOULD HAVE PROMPTED HER CREATING A STORY LIKE THIS, AND I'VE RESOLVED MYSELF TO REALISE THAT I NEVER WILL KNOW. RYAN DUFFIN'S TRUST JUST PART OF THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THEY WERE CAUGHT IN JACKIE'S WEB. ARE YOU A MORE SCEPTICAL PERSON NOW THAN YOU WERE BEFORE? ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS STORY, RIGHT? PEOPLE WERE SO QUICK TO SHUT DOWN PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTUALLY BEING CRITICAL OF THE ARTICLE, WHEN THOSE PEOPLE ENDED UP BEING RIGHT. I ONLY HAVE THE ONE COPY, WHICH I THOUGHT WOULD BE SORT OF A COMMEMORATIVE COPY OF A PIECE THAT CHANGED THE WAY WE ALL LOOK AT SEXUAL VIOLENCE, AND, YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S A PAINFUL REMINDER. SEXUAL-ASSAULT SURVIVOR LIZ SECCURO NOW AN ADVOCATE FOR VICTIMS' RIGHTS. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TURN THIS INTO 'WOMEN LIE ABOUT RAPE ALL THE TIME. NOW THEY JUST HAVE A MUCH BIGGER PLATFORM'. BECAUSE FALSE REPORTING OF SEXUAL ASSAULT IS EXTREMELY RARE. IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY RARE. HOW BIG OF A SETBACK WAS THIS TO YOUR CAUSE? HERE COULD HAVE BEEN A PIECE THAT CHANGED THE WAY AMERICANS LOOK AT THE EPIDEMIC OF CAMPUS SEXUAL ASSAULT, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EPIDEMIC OF CAMPUS SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND IN 9000 KEYSTROKES, WE WERE DONE, WEREN'T WE? AN ALARMING STATISTIC BURIED IN THE FALLOUT ` ALMOST ONE IN FIVE WOMEN WILL BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED WHILE IN COLLEGE. IS THERE A VILLAIN IN THIS STORY? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK EVERYBODY LOSES. DEAN NICOLE ERAMO'S DEFAMATION CASE IS STILL BEFORE THE COURTS, WHILE THE PHI KAPPA PSI FRATERNITY IS ALSO SUING ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE. IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW HAS BEEN THE VICTIM OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AGENCIES THAT CAN HELP IN NZ, SUCH AS VICTIM SUPPORT, RAPE CRISIS AND LIFELINE. THEY ALL HAVE TOLL-FREE NUMBERS, OR YOU CAN CONTACT THEM THROUGH THEIR WEBSITES. WELL, THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. KIA ORA. NGA MIHI.