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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: What Finance: What recent Finance: What recent announcements What recent announcements has What recent announcements has the What recent announcements has the Government What recent announcements has the Government made What recent announcements has the Government made regarding has the Government made regarding its has the Government made regarding its Social has the Government made regarding its Social Housing has the Government made regarding its Social Housing Reform has the Government made regarding its Social Housing Reform Programme? 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The 2,500 properties in Christchurch. The Government 2,500 properties in Christchurch. The Government social 2,500 properties in Christchurch. The Government social housing 2,500 properties in Christchurch. The Government social housing reform The Government social housing reform programme The Government social housing reform programme is The Government social housing reform programme is aiming The Government social housing reform programme is aiming at The Government social housing reform programme is aiming at improving The Government social housing reform programme is aiming at improving the programme is aiming at improving the lives programme is aiming at improving the lives of programme is aiming at improving the lives of tenants programme is aiming at improving the lives of tenants dealing programme is aiming at improving the lives of tenants dealing with lives of tenants dealing with vulnerable lives of tenants dealing with vulnerable people lives of tenants dealing with vulnerable people who lives of tenants dealing with vulnerable people who sometimes lives of tenants dealing with vulnerable people who sometimes have vulnerable people who sometimes have very vulnerable people who sometimes have very complex vulnerable people who sometimes have very complex lives. vulnerable people who sometimes have very complex lives. 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What the houses our tenants are living in. What guarantees the houses our tenants are living in. What guarantees of the houses our tenants are living in. What guarantees of home the houses our tenants are living in. What guarantees of home security in. What guarantees of home security can in. What guarantees of home security can you in. What guarantees of home security can you give in. What guarantees of home security can you give to in. What guarantees of home security can you give to existing in. What guarantees of home security can you give to existing Housing in. What guarantees of home security can you give to existing Housing New can you give to existing Housing New Zealand can you give to existing Housing New Zealand tenants? can you give to existing Housing New Zealand tenants? Mr can you give to existing Housing New Zealand tenants? Mr Speaker, can you give to existing Housing New Zealand tenants? Mr Speaker, on Zealand tenants? Mr Speaker, on behalf Zealand tenants? Mr Speaker, on behalf of Zealand tenants? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Zealand tenants? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister, Zealand tenants? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister, one Zealand tenants? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister, one of Zealand tenants? 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Tenants as Housing New Zealand has now. Tenants will as Housing New Zealand has now. Tenants will continue as Housing New Zealand has now. Tenants will continue to as Housing New Zealand has now. Tenants will continue to be as Housing New Zealand has now. Tenants will continue to be housed Tenants will continue to be housed for Tenants will continue to be housed for the Tenants will continue to be housed for the duration Tenants will continue to be housed for the duration of Tenants will continue to be housed for the duration of their Tenants will continue to be housed for the duration of their need. Tenants will continue to be housed for the duration of their need. Any for the duration of their need. Any successful for the duration of their need. Any successful bidder for the duration of their need. Any successful bidder will for the duration of their need. Any successful bidder will enter for the duration of their need. Any successful bidder will enter a successful bidder will enter a 25-year successful bidder will enter a 25-year contract successful bidder will enter a 25-year contract with successful bidder will enter a 25-year contract with NSD successful bidder will enter a 25-year contract with NSD to successful bidder will enter a 25-year contract with NSD to provide 25-year contract with NSD to provide housing 25-year contract with NSD to provide housing places. 25-year contract with NSD to provide housing places. These 25-year contract with NSD to provide housing places. These houses 25-year contract with NSD to provide housing places. These houses cannot housing places. These houses cannot be housing places. These houses cannot be sold housing places. These houses cannot be sold and housing places. These houses cannot be sold and must housing places. These houses cannot be sold and must remain housing places. These houses cannot be sold and must remain in housing places. These houses cannot be sold and must remain in use housing places. These houses cannot be sold and must remain in use as be sold and must remain in use as social be sold and must remain in use as social housing be sold and must remain in use as social housing unless be sold and must remain in use as social housing unless the be sold and must remain in use as social housing unless the government social housing unless the government agrees social housing unless the government agrees otherwise. social housing unless the government agrees otherwise. The social housing unless the government agrees otherwise. The Government agrees otherwise. The Government believes agrees otherwise. The Government believes an agrees otherwise. The Government believes an increased agrees otherwise. The Government believes an increased role agrees otherwise. The Government believes an increased role for believes an increased role for community believes an increased role for community housing believes an increased role for community housing providers community housing providers alongside community housing providers alongside Housing community housing providers alongside Housing New community housing providers alongside Housing New Zealand community housing providers alongside Housing New Zealand will alongside Housing New Zealand will bring alongside Housing New Zealand will bring innovation alongside Housing New Zealand will bring innovation and alongside Housing New Zealand will bring innovation and performance bring innovation and performance benefits bring innovation and performance alongside bring innovation and performance benefits that will bring innovation and performance benefits that will mean bring innovation and performance benefits that will mean we bring innovation and performance benefits that will mean we can benefits that will mean we can better benefits that will mean we can better meet benefits that will mean we can better meet the benefits that will mean we can better meet the needs benefits that will mean we can better meet the needs of benefits that will mean we can better meet the needs of those better meet the needs of those vulnerable better meet the needs of those vulnerable New better meet the needs of those vulnerable New Zealanders. better meet the needs of those vulnerable New Zealanders. Does better meet the needs of those vulnerable New Zealanders. Does the vulnerable New Zealanders. Does the Government vulnerable New Zealanders. Does the Government stand vulnerable New Zealanders. Does the Government stand by vulnerable New Zealanders. Does the Government stand by its vulnerable New Zealanders. Does the Government stand by its commitment Government stand by its commitment to Government stand by its commitment to achieve Government stand by its commitment to achieve fair Government stand by its commitment to achieve fair and Government stand by its commitment to achieve fair and reasonable Government stand by its commitment to achieve fair and reasonable value to achieve fair and reasonable value for to achieve fair and reasonable value for taxpayers to achieve fair and reasonable value for taxpayers and to achieve fair and reasonable value for taxpayers and social to achieve fair and reasonable value for taxpayers and social housing for taxpayers and social housing transactions? for taxpayers and social housing for for taxpayers and social housing transactions? On behalf for taxpayers and social housing transactions? On behalf of for taxpayers and social housing transactions? On behalf of the transactions? On behalf of the Minister, transactions? On behalf of the Minister, yes. transactions? On behalf of the Minister, yes. Recently transactions? On behalf of the Minister, yes. Recently the transactions? On behalf of the Minister, yes. Recently the IHC Minister, yes. Recently the IHC owned Minister, yes. Recently the IHC owned accessible Minister, yes. Recently the IHC owned accessible properties Minister, yes. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Immigration: Immigration: Does Immigration: Does he Immigration: Does he stand Immigration: Does he stand by Immigration: Does he stand by his Immigration: Does he stand by his statement Immigration: Does he stand by his statement that Does he stand by his statement that "commitments Does he stand by his statement that "commitments that Does he stand by his statement that "commitments that are Does he stand by his statement that "commitments that are made Does he stand by his statement that "commitments that are made around "commitments that are made around sponsorship "commitments that are made around sponsorship that "commitments that are made around sponsorship that haven't "commitments that are made around sponsorship that haven't been "commitments that are made around sponsorship that haven't been met" sponsorship that haven't been met" regarding sponsorship that haven't been met" regarding his sponsorship that haven't been met" regarding his review sponsorship that haven't been met" regarding his review of sponsorship that haven't been met" regarding his review of the sponsorship that haven't been met" regarding his review of the parent regarding his review of the parent category regarding his review of the parent category immigration regarding his review of the parent category immigration rules? Yes, Yes, in Yes, in the Yes, in the context Yes, in the context in Yes, in the context in which Yes, in the context in which those Yes, in the context in which those comments Yes, in the context in which those comments were Yes, in the context in which those comments were made. Yes, in the context in which those comments were made. To Yes, in the context in which those comments were made. To the Yes, in the context in which those comments were made. To the Minister: comments were made. To the Minister: Why comments were made. To the Minister: Why are comments were made. To the Minister: Why are newly-arrived comments were made. To the Minister: Why are newly-arrived migrants comments were made. To the Minister: Why are newly-arrived migrants with Why are newly-arrived migrants with New Why are newly-arrived migrants with New Zealand Why are newly-arrived migrants with New Zealand residency Why are newly-arrived migrants with New Zealand residency not Why are newly-arrived migrants with New Zealand residency not paying Why are newly-arrived migrants with New Zealand residency not paying for New Zealand residency not paying for their New Zealand residency not paying for their parents New Zealand residency not paying for their parents to New Zealand residency not paying for their parents to live New Zealand residency not paying for their parents to live here New Zealand residency not paying for their parents to live here after their parents to live here after they their parents to live here after they brought their parents to live here after they brought them their parents to live here after they brought them into their parents to live here after they brought them into the their parents to live here after they brought them into the country they brought them into the country at they brought them into the country at a they brought them into the country at a cost they brought them into the country at a cost to they brought them into the country at a cost to New they brought them into the country at a cost to New Zealand they brought them into the country at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers of at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers of tens at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers of tens of at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers of tens of millions at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers of tens of millions of at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers of tens of millions of dollars at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers of tens of millions of dollars as at a cost to New Zealand taxpayers of tens of millions of dollars as he of tens of millions of dollars as he stated? of tens of millions of dollars as he stated? Mr of tens of millions of dollars as he stated? Mr Speaker, of tens of millions of dollars as he stated? Mr Speaker, broadly of tens of millions of dollars as he stated? Mr Speaker, broadly because stated? Mr Speaker, broadly because the stated? Mr Speaker, broadly because the sponsorship stated? Mr Speaker, broadly because the sponsorship requirements stated? Mr Speaker, broadly because the sponsorship requirements don't the sponsorship requirements don't require the sponsorship requirements don't stated? the sponsorship requirements don't require them to the sponsorship requirements don't require them to pay the sponsorship requirements don't require them to pay for the sponsorship requirements don't require them to pay for their require them to pay for their parents require them to pay for their parents to require them to pay for their parents to be require them to pay for their parents to be here. require them to pay for their parents to be here. That's require them to pay for their parents to be here. That's not require them to pay for their parents to be here. That's not part parents to be here. That's not part of parents to be here. That's not part of the parents to be here. That's not part of the residents parents to be here. That's not part of the residents programme, parents to be here. That's not part of the residents programme, but of the residents programme, but there of the residents programme, but there are of the residents programme, but there are a of the residents programme, but there are a number of the residents programme, but there are a number of of the residents programme, but there are a number of sponsorship there are a number of sponsorship obligations there are a number of sponsorship obligations that there are a number of sponsorship obligations that adeck there are a number of sponsorship obligations that adeck dotal there are a number of sponsorship obligations that adeck dotal and obligations that adeck dotal and older obligations that adeck dotal and older statistical obligations that adeck dotal and older statistical information older statistical information suggests older statistical information suggests it's older statistical information suggests it's not older statistical information suggests it's not being older statistical information suggests it's not being complied older statistical information suggests it's not being complied by suggests it's not being complied by the suggests it's not being complied by the sponsor, suggests it's not being complied by the sponsor, that's suggests it's not being complied by the sponsor, that's why suggests it's not being complied by the sponsor, that's why we're suggests it's not being complied by the sponsor, that's why we're going the sponsor, that's why we're going to the sponsor, that's why we're going to conduct the sponsor, that's why we're going to conduct the the sponsor, that's why we're going to conduct the review. the sponsor, that's why we're going to conduct the review. To the sponsor, that's why we're going to conduct the review. To the to conduct the review. To the Minister, to conduct the review. To the Minister, can to conduct the review. To the Minister, can he to conduct the review. To the Minister, can he explain to conduct the review. To the Minister, can he explain how Minister, can he explain how Immigration Minister, can he explain how Immigration NZ Minister, can he explain how Immigration NZ will Minister, can he explain how Immigration NZ will enforce Minister, can he explain how Immigration NZ will enforce the Minister, can he explain how Immigration NZ will enforce the new Immigration NZ will enforce the new 10-year Immigration NZ will enforce the new 10-year sponsorship Immigration NZ will enforce the new 10-year sponsorship period Immigration NZ will enforce the new 10-year sponsorship period for 10-year sponsorship period for migrant 10-year sponsorship period for migrant parents 10-year sponsorship period for migrant parents given 10-year sponsorship period for migrant parents given that migrant parents given that Immigration migrant parents given that Immigration NZ migrant parents given that Immigration NZ failed migrant parents given that Immigration NZ failed to migrant parents given that Immigration NZ failed to enforce migrant parents given that Immigration NZ failed to enforce the Immigration NZ failed to enforce the current Immigration NZ failed to enforce the current 5-year Immigration NZ failed to enforce the current 5-year sponsorship Immigration NZ failed to enforce the current 5-year sponsorship for current 5-year sponsorship for parents? current 5-year sponsorship for parents? Mr current 5-year sponsorship for parents? Mr Speaker, current 5-year sponsorship for parents? Mr Speaker, I current 5-year sponsorship for parents? Mr Speaker, I don't parents? Mr Speaker, I don't necessarily parents? Mr Speaker, I don't necessarily agree parents? Mr Speaker, I don't necessarily agree with parents? Mr Speaker, I don't necessarily agree with - parents? Mr Speaker, I don't necessarily agree with - or parents? Mr Speaker, I don't necessarily agree with - or disagree necessarily agree with - or disagree actually, necessarily agree with - or disagree actually, the necessarily agree with - or disagree actually, the second necessarily agree with - or disagree actually, the second part necessarily agree with - or disagree actually, the second part of necessarily agree with - or disagree actually, the second part of that actually, the second part of that question. actually, the second part of that question. But actually, the second part of that question. 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But I would say that Immigration NZ will continue to Immigration NZ will continue to monitor Immigration NZ will continue to monitor the Immigration NZ will continue to monitor the sponsorship Immigration NZ will continue to monitor the sponsorship arrangements monitor the sponsorship arrangements as monitor the sponsorship arrangements as they monitor the sponsorship arrangements as they currently monitor the sponsorship arrangements as they currently are, monitor the sponsorship arrangements as they currently are, regardless monitor the sponsorship arrangements as they currently are, regardless of as they currently are, regardless of the as they currently are, regardless of the extension as they currently are, regardless of the extension of as they currently are, regardless of the extension of time as they currently are, regardless of the extension of time on as they currently are, regardless of the extension of time on that, as they currently are, regardless of the extension of time on that, which the extension of time on that, which incidentally the extension of time on that, which incidentally was the extension of time on that, which incidentally was decision the extension of time on that, which incidentally was decision made the extension of time on that, which incidentally was decision made some incidentally was decision made some time incidentally was decision made some time ago. incidentally was decision made some time ago. And incidentally was decision made some time ago. And then incidentally was decision made some time ago. And then the incidentally was decision made some time ago. And then the review incidentally was decision made some time ago. And then the review will time ago. And then the review will inform time ago. And then the review will inform whether time ago. And then the review will inform whether or time ago. And then the review will inform whether or not time ago. And then the review will inform whether or not a time ago. 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Mr the New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, the New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well the New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well largely the New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well largely because the New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well largely because there Speaker, well largely because there was Speaker, well largely because there was a Speaker, well largely because there was a legacy Speaker, well largely because there was a legacy cohort Speaker, well largely because there was a legacy cohort of Speaker, well largely because there was a legacy cohort of applicants was a legacy cohort of applicants that was a legacy cohort of applicants that needed was a legacy cohort of applicants that needed to was a legacy cohort of applicants that needed to be was a legacy cohort of applicants that needed to be considered was a legacy cohort of applicants that needed to be considered and that needed to be considered and then that needed to be considered and then processed that needed to be considered and then processed and that needed to be considered and then processed and that that needed to be considered and then processed and that process that needed to be considered and then processed and that process was then processed and that process was completed then processed and that process was completed at then processed and that process was completed at about then processed and that process was completed at about the then processed and that process was completed at about the middle then processed and that process was completed at about the middle of completed at about the middle of this completed at about the middle of this year completed at about the middle of this year which completed at about the middle of this year which was completed at about the middle of this year which was an completed at about the middle of this year which was an opportune this year which was an opportune time this year which was an opportune time to this year which was an opportune time to actually this year which was an opportune time to actually review this year which was an opportune time to actually review and this year which was an opportune time to actually review and make time to actually review and make small time to actually review and make small reductions time to actually review and make small reductions in time to actually review and make small reductions in the time to actually review and make small reductions in the category. time to actually review and make small reductions in the category. 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Mr abandoning them to the care of the New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well, New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well, because New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well, because that New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well, because that would New Zealand taxpayer? Mr Speaker, well, because that would be New Zealand taxpayer? 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To the Minister: Why did the Government Speaker. To the Minister: Why did the Government disregard Speaker. To the Minister: Why did the Government disregard the the Government disregard the concerns the Government disregard the concerns of the Government disregard the concerns of New the Government disregard the concerns of New Zealand the Government disregard the concerns of New Zealand taxpayers concerns of New Zealand taxpayers and concerns of New Zealand taxpayers and vote concerns of New Zealand taxpayers and vote against concerns of New Zealand taxpayers and vote against New concerns of New Zealand taxpayers and vote against New Zealand concerns of New Zealand taxpayers and vote against New Zealand First and vote against New Zealand First affordable and vote against New Zealand First affordable healthcare and vote against New Zealand First affordable healthcare bill and vote against New Zealand First affordable healthcare bill last and vote against New Zealand First affordable healthcare bill last year affordable healthcare bill last year which affordable healthcare bill last year which required affordable healthcare bill last year which required parent affordable healthcare bill last year which required parent migrants affordable healthcare bill last year which required parent migrants to which required parent migrants to buy which required parent migrants to buy healthcare which required parent migrants to buy healthcare insurance which required parent migrants to buy healthcare insurance for which required parent migrants to buy healthcare insurance for their buy healthcare insurance for their first buy healthcare insurance for their first 10 buy healthcare insurance for their first 10 years buy healthcare insurance for their first 10 years of buy healthcare insurance for their first 10 years of their buy healthcare insurance for their first 10 years of their residency, first 10 years of their residency, while first 10 years of their residency, while did first 10 years of their residency, while did you first 10 years of their residency, while did you vote first 10 years of their residency, while did you vote against first 10 years of their residency, while did you vote against it? first 10 years of their residency, while did you vote against it? Mr while did you vote against it? Mr Speaker, while did you vote against it? Mr Speaker, I while did you vote against it? Mr Speaker, I have while did you vote against it? Mr Speaker, I have no while did you vote against it? Mr Speaker, I have no ministerial Speaker, I have no ministerial responsibility Speaker, I have no ministerial responsibility for Speaker, I have no ministerial responsibility for that Speaker, I have no ministerial responsibility for that decision. responsibility for that decision. Question responsibility for that decision. Question No. responsibility for that decision. Question No. 3. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: Does Finance: Does he Finance: Does he stand Finance: Does he stand by Finance: Does he stand by his Finance: Does he stand by his statement Finance: Does he stand by his statement in Does he stand by his statement in relation Does he stand by his statement in relation to Does he stand by his statement in relation to the Does he stand by his statement in relation to the New Does he stand by his statement in relation to the New Zealand Does he stand by his statement in relation to the New Zealand Super relation to the New Zealand Super Fund, relation to the New Zealand Super Fund, "when relation to the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses relation to the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses return relation to the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses return we relation to the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses return we will Fund, "when surpluses return we will resume Fund, "when surpluses return we will resume contributions"; resume contributions"; if resume contributions"; if not, resume contributions"; if not, why resume contributions"; if not, why not? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, I Mr Speaker, I shall Mr Speaker, I shall try Mr Speaker, I shall try and Mr Speaker, I shall try and channel Mr Speaker, I shall try and channel the Mr Speaker, I shall try and channel the Minister Mr Speaker, I shall try and channel the Minister of Mr Speaker, I shall try and channel the Minister of Finance. Mr Speaker, I shall try and channel the Minister of Finance. Yes, Mr Speaker, I shall try and channel the Minister of Finance. Yes, I Mr Speaker, I shall try and channel the Minister of Finance. Yes, I do the Minister of Finance. Yes, I do stand the Minister of Finance. Yes, I do stand by the Minister of Finance. Yes, I do stand by the the Minister of Finance. Yes, I do stand by the statement the Minister of Finance. Yes, I do stand by the statement at the Minister of Finance. Yes, I do stand by the statement at the the Minister of Finance. Yes, I do stand by the statement at the time stand by the statement at the time it stand by the statement at the time it was stand by the statement at the time it was made stand by the statement at the time it was made and stand by the statement at the time it was made and as stand by the statement at the time it was made and as I stand by the statement at the time it was made and as I said stand by the statement at the time it was made and as I said in stand by the statement at the time it was made and as I said in Budget it was made and as I said in Budget 2013, it was made and as I said in Budget 2013, Budget it was made and as I said in Budget 2013, Budget 2014, it was made and as I said in Budget 2013, Budget 2014, Budget it was made and as I said in Budget 2013, Budget 2014, Budget 2015, 2013, Budget 2014, Budget 2015, Budget 2013, Budget 2014, Budget 2015, Budget 2016 2013, Budget 2014, Budget 2015, Budget 2016 and 2013, Budget 2014, Budget 2015, Budget 2016 and in 2013, Budget 2014, Budget 2015, Budget 2016 and in reply 2013, Budget 2014, Budget 2015, Budget 2016 and in reply to 2013, Budget 2014, Budget 2015, Budget 2016 and in reply to the Budget 2016 and in reply to the member's Budget 2016 and in reply to the member's question Budget 2016 and in reply to the member's question on Budget 2016 and in reply to the member's question on the Budget 2016 and in reply to the member's question on the 18th Budget 2016 and in reply to the member's question on the 18th of member's question on the 18th of October member's question on the 18th of October and member's question on the 18th of October and the member's question on the 18th of October and the member's member's question on the 18th of October and the member's question October and the member's question October and the member's question October and the member's question yesterday, and October and the member's question yesterday, and as October and the member's question yesterday, and as was October and the member's question yesterday, and as was made October and the member's question yesterday, and as was made clear October and the member's question yesterday, and as was made clear on yesterday, and as was made clear on the yesterday, and as was made clear on the National yesterday, and as was made clear on the National Party's yesterday, and as was made clear on the National Party's 2014 yesterday, and as was made clear on the National Party's 2014 election the National Party's 2014 election policy, the National Party's 2014 election policy, contributions the National Party's 2014 election policy, contributions will the National Party's 2014 election policy, contributions will resume policy, contributions will resume when policy, contributions will resume when net policy, contributions will resume when net debt policy, contributions will resume when net debt falls policy, contributions will resume when net debt falls to policy, contributions will resume when net debt falls to 20% policy, contributions will resume when net debt falls to 20% of policy, contributions will resume when net debt falls to 20% of Gross when net debt falls to 20% of Gross Domestic when net debt falls to 20% of Gross Domestic Product. when net debt falls to 20% of Gross Domestic Product. Supplementary, when net debt falls to 20% of Gross Domestic Product. Supplementary, Mr Domestic Product. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Domestic Product. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, Speaker. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, Grant Order! Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Order! Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Why Order! Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Why has Order! Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Why has the Order! Supplementary question, Grant Robertson. Why has the position Robertson. Why has the position changed Robertson. Why has the position changed on Robertson. Why has the position changed on restoring Robertson. Why has the position changed on restoring contributions changed on restoring contributions to changed on restoring contributions Robertson. changed on restoring contributions to the superfund changed on restoring contributions to the superfund from changed on restoring contributions to the superfund from what changed on restoring contributions to the superfund from what it changed on restoring contributions to the superfund from what it was changed on restoring contributions to the superfund from what it was in to the superfund from what it was in 2009 to the superfund from what it was in 2009 to to the superfund from what it was in 2009 to what to the superfund from what it was in 2009 to what it to the superfund from what it was in 2009 to what it is to the superfund from what it was in 2009 to what it is today? to the superfund from what it was in 2009 to what it is today? Mr 2009 to what it is today? Mr Speaker, 2009 to what it is today? Mr Speaker, to 2009 to what it is today? Mr Speaker, to be 2009 to what it is today? Mr Speaker, to be fair 2009 to what it is today? Mr Speaker, to be fair because 2009 to what it is today? Mr Speaker, to be fair because we 2009 to what it is today? Mr Speaker, to be fair because we were Speaker, to be fair because we were probably Speaker, to be fair because we were probably a Speaker, to be fair because we were probably a year Speaker, to be fair because we were probably a year into Speaker, to be fair because we were probably a year into the Speaker, to be fair because we were probably a year into the GFC, Speaker, to be fair because we were probably a year into the GFC, didn't probably a year into the GFC, didn't know probably a year into the GFC, didn't know how probably a year into the GFC, didn't know how deep probably a year into the GFC, didn't know how deep and probably a year into the GFC, didn't know how deep and long probably a year into the GFC, didn't know how deep and long it probably a year into the GFC, didn't know how deep and long it was probably a year into the GFC, didn't know how deep and long it was going know how deep and long it was going to know how deep and long it was going to go know how deep and long it was going to go to know how deep and long it was going to go to and know how deep and long it was going to go to and then know how deep and long it was going to go to and then made know how deep and long it was going to go to and then made our know how deep and long it was going to go to and then made our position to go to and then made our position very to go to and then made our position very clear to go to and then made our position very clear in to go to and then made our position very clear in 2013 to go to and then made our position very clear in 2013 and to go to and then made our position very clear in 2013 and have to go to and then made our position very clear in 2013 and have made to go to and then made our position very clear in 2013 and have made it very clear in 2013 and have made it very very clear in 2013 and have made it very clear very clear in 2013 and have made it very clear every very clear in 2013 and have made it very clear every year very clear in 2013 and have made it very clear every year since very clear in 2013 and have made it very clear every year since the very clear in 2013 and have made it very clear every year since the then very clear every year since the then and very clear every year since the then and repeatedly. very clear every year since the then and repeatedly. 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I think they have done an guide bargaining. I think they have done an excellent guide bargaining. I think they have done an excellent job guide bargaining. I think they have done an excellent job and guide bargaining. I think they have done an excellent job and I guide bargaining. I think they have done an excellent job and I want guide bargaining. I think they have done an excellent job and I want to done an excellent job and I want to thank done an excellent job and I want to thank the done an excellent job and I want to thank the members done an excellent job and I want to thank the members of done an excellent job and I want to thank the members of that done an excellent job and I want to thank the members of that working thank the members of that working group thank the members of that working group for thank the members of that working group for their thank the members of that working group for their efforts. thank the members of that working group for their efforts. What thank the members of that working group for their efforts. What else group for their efforts. What else is group for their efforts. What else is the group for their efforts. What else is the Government group for their efforts. What else is the Government doing group for their efforts. What else is the Government doing to group for their efforts. What else is the Government doing to close group for their efforts. What else is the Government doing to close the is the Government doing to close the gender is the Government doing to close the gender pay is the Government doing to close the gender pay gap? is the Government doing to close the gender pay gap? Mr is the Government doing to close the gender pay gap? Mr Speaker, is the Government doing to close the gender pay gap? Mr Speaker, well is the Government doing to close the gender pay gap? Mr Speaker, well the gender pay gap? Mr Speaker, well the joint gender pay gap? Mr Speaker, well the joint working gender pay gap? Mr Speaker, well the joint working group gender pay gap? Mr Speaker, well the joint working group recognised gender pay gap? Mr Speaker, well the joint working group recognised that joint working group recognised that whilst joint working group recognised that whilst pay joint working group recognised that whilst pay equity joint working group recognised that whilst pay equity is joint working group recognised that whilst pay equity is very joint working group recognised that whilst pay equity is very important, whilst pay equity is very important, it's whilst pay equity is very important, it's not whilst pay equity is very important, it's not the whilst pay equity is very important, it's not the sole whilst pay equity is very important, it's not the sole contributing it's not the sole contributing factor it's not the sole contributing factor to it's not the sole contributing factor to the it's not the sole contributing factor to the gender it's not the sole contributing factor to the gender pay it's not the sole contributing factor to the gender pay gap. it's not the sole contributing factor to the gender pay gap. It factor to the gender pay gap. It acknowledged factor to the gender pay gap. It acknowledged that factor to the gender pay gap. It acknowledged that issues factor to the gender pay gap. It acknowledged that issues such factor to the gender pay gap. It acknowledged that issues such as acknowledged that issues such as equal acknowledged that issues such as equal opportunity acknowledged that issues such as equal opportunity in acknowledged that issues such as equal opportunity in employment, equal opportunity in employment, advancement, equal opportunity in employment, advancement, transparency equal opportunity in employment, advancement, transparency of equal opportunity in employment, advancement, transparency of the advancement, transparency of the remuneration advancement, transparency of the remuneration process, advancement, transparency of the remuneration process, and advancement, transparency of the remuneration process, and the advancement, transparency of the remuneration process, and the effect remuneration process, and the effect of remuneration process, and the effect of care remuneration process, and the effect of care and remuneration process, and the effect of care and responsibilities remuneration process, and the effect of care and responsibilities all of care and responsibilities all contribute of care and responsibilities all contribute to of care and responsibilities all contribute to the of care and responsibilities all contribute to the gender of care and responsibilities all contribute to the gender pay of care and responsibilities all contribute to the gender pay gap. of care and responsibilities all contribute to the gender pay gap. So contribute to the gender pay gap. So I contribute to the gender pay gap. So I want contribute to the gender pay gap. So I want to contribute to the gender pay gap. So I want to commend contribute to the gender pay gap. So I want to commend the contribute to the gender pay gap. So I want to commend the very I want to commend the very hardworking I want to commend the very hardworking Minister I want to commend the very hardworking Minister for I want to commend the very hardworking Minister for Women I want to commend the very hardworking Minister for Women whose hardworking Minister for Women whose has hardworking Minister for Women whose has the hardworking Minister for Women whose has the responsibility hardworking Minister for Women whose has the responsibility for hardworking Minister for Women whose has the responsibility for doing hardworking Minister for Women whose has the responsibility for doing all has the responsibility for doing all of has the responsibility for doing all of those has the responsibility for doing all of those other has the responsibility for doing all of those other things, has the responsibility for doing all of those other things, and has the responsibility for doing all of those other things, and note has the responsibility for doing all of those other things, and note the of those other things, and note the work of those other things, and note the work and of those other things, and note the work and progress of those other things, and note the work and progress being of those other things, and note the work and progress being made of those other things, and note the work and progress being made to work and progress being made to provide work and progress being made to provide a work and progress being made to provide a flexible work and progress being made to provide a flexible workplace provide a flexible workplace pro-provide provide a flexible workplace pro-provide better provide a flexible workplace pro-provide better information provide a flexible workplace pro-provide better information and pro-provide better information and transparency, pro-provide better information and transparency, strengthening pro-provide better information and transparency, strengthening the transparency, strengthening the leadership transparency, strengthening the leadership pipeline, transparency, strengthening the leadership pipeline, leading transparency, strengthening the leadership pipeline, leading a leadership pipeline, leading a diversity leadership pipeline, leading a diversity and leadership pipeline, leading a diversity and inclusion leadership pipeline, leading a diversity and inclusion network leadership pipeline, leading a diversity and inclusion network and diversity and inclusion network and only diversity and inclusion network and only today diversity and inclusion network and only today in diversity and inclusion network and only today in her diversity and inclusion network and only today in her press diversity and inclusion network and only today in her press release, only today in her press release, breaking only today in her press release, breaking down only today in her press release, breaking down barriers only today in her press release, breaking down barriers for only today in her press release, breaking down barriers for working breaking down barriers for working women breaking down barriers for working women identifying breaking down barriers for working women identifying the breaking down barriers for working women identifying the very breaking down barriers for working women identifying the very good women identifying the very good progress women identifying the very good progress being women identifying the very good progress being made women identifying the very good progress being made by women identifying the very good progress being made by the women identifying the very good progress being made by the National progress being made by the National Advisory progress being made by the National Advisory Council progress being made by the National Advisory Council on progress being made by the National Advisory Council on the progress being made by the National Advisory Council on the Employment Advisory Council on the Employment of Advisory Council on the Employment Advisory Advisory Council on the Employment of Women to Advisory Council on the Employment of Women to strengthen Advisory Council on the Employment of Women to strengthen its Advisory Council on the Employment of Women to strengthen its focus Advisory Council on the Employment of Women to strengthen its focus on of Women to strengthen its focus on breaking of Women to strengthen its focus on breaking down of Women to strengthen its focus on breaking down those of Women to strengthen its focus on breaking down those barriers. breaking down those barriers. Question breaking down those barriers. Question No. breaking down those barriers. Question No. 5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Building My question is to the Minister for Building and My question is to the Minister for Building and Housing: Building and Housing: <SPEAKS Building and Housing: <SPEAKS TE Building and Housing: <SPEAKS TE REO Building and Housing: <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> <SPEAKS <SPEAKS TE <SPEAKS TE REO <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, although Mr Speaker, although we Mr Speaker, although we certainly Mr Speaker, although we certainly aren't Mr Speaker, although we certainly aren't what Mr Speaker, although we certainly aren't what the Mr Speaker, although we certainly aren't what the member Mr Speaker, although we certainly aren't what the member is Mr Speaker, although we certainly aren't what the member is trying Mr Speaker, although we certainly aren't what the member is trying to aren't what the member is trying to do aren't what the member is trying to do as aren't what the member is trying to do as far aren't what the member is trying to do as far as aren't what the member is trying to do as far as tenants' aren't what the member is trying to do as far as tenants' rights, aren't what the member is trying to do as far as tenants' rights, we do as far as tenants' rights, we won't do as far as tenants' rights, we won't be do as far as tenants' rights, we won't be supporting do as far as tenants' rights, we won't be supporting the do as far as tenants' rights, we won't be supporting the bill. do as far as tenants' rights, we won't be supporting the bill. The won't be supporting the bill. The reason won't be supporting the bill. The reason being won't be supporting the bill. The reason being we won't be supporting the bill. The reason being we are won't be supporting the bill. The reason being we are genuinely reason being we are genuinely concerned reason being we are genuinely concerned that reason being we are genuinely concerned that it reason being we are genuinely concerned that it might reason being we are genuinely concerned that it might drive reason being we are genuinely concerned that it might drive up concerned that it might drive up compliance concerned that it might drive up compliance costs concerned that it might drive up compliance costs and concerned that it might drive up compliance costs and end concerned that it might drive up compliance costs and end up concerned that it might drive up compliance costs and end up harming compliance costs and end up harming tenants compliance costs and end up harming tenants more compliance costs and end up harming tenants more than compliance costs and end up harming tenants more than it compliance costs and end up harming tenants more than it ends compliance costs and end up harming tenants more than it ends up tenants more than it ends up actually tenants more than it ends up actually helping. tenants more than it ends up actually helping. The tenants more than it ends up actually helping. The Government, actually helping. The Government, however, actually helping. The Government, however, is actually helping. The Government, however, is open actually helping. The Government, however, is open to actually helping. The Government, however, is open to reforms actually helping. The Government, however, is open to reforms that however, is open to reforms that would however, is open to reforms that would encourage however, is open to reforms that would encourage longer however, is open to reforms that would encourage longer term would encourage longer term tenancies would encourage longer term reason would encourage longer term tenancies and work would encourage longer term tenancies and work is would encourage longer term tenancies and work is underway would encourage longer term tenancies and work is underway on tenancies and work is underway on setting tenancies and work is underway on setting up tenancies and work is underway on setting up a tenancies and work is underway on setting up a stakeholder tenancies and work is underway on setting up a stakeholder group tenancies and work is underway on setting up a stakeholder group on setting up a stakeholder group on these setting up a stakeholder group on these very setting up a stakeholder group on these very issues. setting up a stakeholder group on these very issues. Tena setting up a stakeholder group on these very issues. Tena koe, setting up a stakeholder group on these very issues. Tena koe, Mr these very issues. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. these very issues. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If these very issues. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If the these very issues. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister these very issues. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister is these very issues. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister is telling Speaker. If the Minister is telling first Speaker. If the Minister is telling first home Speaker. If the Minister is telling first home buyers Speaker. If the Minister is telling first home buyers now Speaker. If the Minister is telling first home buyers now not Speaker. If the Minister is telling first home buyers now not to Speaker. If the Minister is telling first home buyers now not to buy Speaker. If the Minister is telling first home buyers now not to buy a first home buyers now not to buy a house first home buyers now not to buy a house because first home buyers now not to buy a house because homes first home buyers now not to buy a house because homes are first home buyers now not to buy a house because homes are too house because homes are too expensive, house because homes are too expensive, will house because homes are too expensive, will he house because homes are too expensive, will he at house because homes are too expensive, will he at least house because homes are too expensive, will he at least support expensive, will he at least support better expensive, will he at least support better tenancy expensive, will he at least support better tenancy rules expensive, will he at least support better tenancy rules that expensive, will he at least support better tenancy rules that will better tenancy rules that will create better tenancy rules that will create transparency better tenancy rules that will create transparency around better tenancy rules that will create transparency around rent create transparency around rent rises create transparency around rent rises giving create transparency around rent rises giving rents create transparency around rent rises giving rents are create transparency around rent rises giving rents are increasing create transparency around rent rises giving rents are increasing at rises giving rents are increasing at twice rises giving rents are increasing at twice the rises giving rents are increasing at twice the rate rises giving rents are increasing at twice the rate of rises giving rents are increasing at twice the rate of wages rises giving rents are increasing at twice the rate of wages and rises giving rents are increasing at twice the rate of wages and families twice the rate of wages and families can't twice the rate of wages and families can't afford twice the rate of wages and families can't afford that twice the rate of wages and families can't afford that level twice the rate of wages and families can't afford that level of twice the rate of wages and families can't afford that level of increase? can't afford that level of increase? Mr can't afford that level of increase? Mr Speaker, can't afford that level of increase? Mr Speaker, the can't afford that level of increase? Mr Speaker, the first can't afford that level of increase? Mr Speaker, the first part can't afford that level of increase? Mr Speaker, the first part of can't afford that level of increase? Mr Speaker, the first part of the Mr Speaker, the first part of the member's Mr Speaker, the first part of the member's statement Mr Speaker, the first part of the member's statement I Mr Speaker, the first part of the member's statement I believe Mr Speaker, the first part of the member's statement I believe is member's statement I believe is taken member's statement I believe is taken a member's statement I believe is taken a bit member's statement I believe is taken a bit out member's statement I believe is taken a bit out of member's statement I believe is taken a bit out of context member's statement I believe is taken a bit out of context and taken a bit out of context and certainly taken a bit out of context and certainly not taken a bit out of context and certainly not telling taken a bit out of context and certainly not telling people taken a bit out of context and certainly not telling people not taken a bit out of context and certainly not telling people not to certainly not telling people not to buy certainly not telling people not to buy first certainly not telling people not to buy first home certainly not telling people not to buy first home buyers. certainly not telling people not to buy first home buyers. In certainly not telling people not to buy first home buyers. In fact, buy first home buyers. In fact, we're buy first home buyers. In fact, we're seeing buy first home buyers. In fact, we're seeing the buy first home buyers. In fact, we're seeing the opposite buy first home buyers. In fact, we're seeing the opposite happen buy first home buyers. In fact, we're seeing the opposite happen and we're seeing the opposite happen and even we're seeing the opposite happen and even in we're seeing the opposite happen and even in my we're seeing the opposite happen and even in my own we're seeing the opposite happen and even in my own electorate we're seeing the opposite happen and even in my own electorate in even in my own electorate in Hobsonville even in my own electorate in Hobsonville Point, even in my own electorate in Hobsonville Point, you even in my own electorate in Hobsonville Point, you can even in my own electorate in Hobsonville Point, you can see even in my own electorate in Hobsonville Point, you can see many Hobsonville Point, you can see many new Hobsonville Point, you can see many new home Hobsonville Point, you can see many new home buyers Hobsonville Point, you can see many new home buyers buying Hobsonville Point, you can see many new home buyers buying there. Hobsonville Point, you can see many new home buyers buying there. In new home buyers buying there. In relation new home buyers buying there. In relation to new home buyers buying there. In relation to the new home buyers buying there. In relation to the transparency new home buyers buying there. In relation to the transparency and relation to the transparency and some relation to the transparency and relation relation to the transparency and some of the relation to the transparency and some of the clauses relation to the transparency and some of the clauses in relation to the transparency and some of the clauses in the relation to the transparency and some of the clauses in the bill, relation to the transparency and some of the clauses in the bill, I some of the clauses in the bill, I think some of the clauses in the bill, I think they some of the clauses in the bill, I think they need some of the clauses in the bill, I think they need careful think they need careful consideration. think they need careful consideration. We think they need careful consideration. We have think they need careful consideration. We have very think they need careful consideration. We have very concerns consideration. We have very concerns on consideration. We have very concerns on this consideration. We have very concerns on this side consideration. We have very concerns on this side of consideration. We have very concerns on this side of the consideration. We have very concerns on this side of the House consideration. We have very concerns on this side of the House about on this side of the House about unintended on this side of the House about unintended consequences on this side of the House about unintended consequences and on this side of the House about unintended consequences and it on this side of the House about unintended consequences and it not unintended consequences and it not being unintended consequences and it not being positive unintended consequences and it not being positive for unintended consequences and it not being positive for the unintended consequences and it not being positive for the tenant. unintended consequences and it not being positive for the tenant. Tena being positive for the tenant. Tena koe, being positive for the tenant. Tena koe, Mr being positive for the tenant. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. being positive for the tenant. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If being positive for the tenant. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If the being positive for the tenant. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister being positive for the tenant. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister is koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister is encouraging koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister is encouraging people koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister is encouraging people to koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister is encouraging people to stay koe, Mr Speaker. If the Minister is encouraging people to stay renting encouraging people to stay renting because encouraging people to stay renting because housing encouraging people to stay renting because housing is encouraging people to stay renting because housing is so encouraging people to stay renting because housing is so expensive encouraging people to stay renting because housing is so expensive to because housing is so expensive to buy, because housing is so expensive to buy, will because housing is so expensive to buy, will he because housing is so expensive to buy, will he give because housing is so expensive to buy, will he give renters because housing is so expensive to buy, will he give renters more buy, will he give renters more security buy, will he give renters more security in buy, will he give renters more security in their buy, will he give renters more security in their homes buy, will he give renters more security in their homes by buy, will he give renters more security in their homes by removing security in their homes by removing the security in their homes by removing the 42-day security in their homes by removing the 42-day eviction security in their homes by removing the 42-day eviction notice security in their homes by removing the 42-day eviction notice which security in their homes by removing the 42-day eviction notice which is the 42-day eviction notice which is leading the 42-day eviction notice which is leading to the 42-day eviction notice which is leading to increased the 42-day eviction notice which is leading to increased levels the 42-day eviction notice which is leading to increased levels of leading to increased levels of homelessness? leading to increased levels of homelessness? Mr leading to increased levels of homelessness? Mr Speaker, leading to increased levels of homelessness? Mr Speaker, so leading to increased levels of homelessness? Mr Speaker, so I leading to increased levels of homelessness? Mr Speaker, so I don't homelessness? Mr Speaker, so I don't support homelessness? Mr Speaker, so I don't support the homelessness? Mr Speaker, so I don't support the first homelessness? Mr Speaker, so I don't support the first statement homelessness? Mr Speaker, so I don't support the first statement by homelessness? Mr Speaker, so I don't support the first statement by the support the first statement by the member, support the first statement by the member, but support the first statement by the member, but in support the first statement by the member, but in relation support the first statement by the member, but in relation to support the first statement by the member, but in relation to the member, but in relation to the second member, but in relation to the second statement, member, but in relation to the second statement, actually member, but in relation to the second statement, actually 90 member, but in relation to the second statement, actually 90 days second statement, actually 90 days is second statement, actually 90 days second second statement, actually 90 days is the norm second statement, actually 90 days is the norm and second statement, actually 90 days is the norm and there second statement, actually 90 days is the norm and there are second statement, actually 90 days is the norm and there are exceptions is the norm and there are exceptions that is the norm and there are exceptions that can is the norm and there are exceptions that can be is the norm and there are exceptions that can be the is the norm and there are exceptions that can be the 42 is the norm and there are exceptions that can be the 42 days. is the norm and there are exceptions that can be the 42 days. The that can be the 42 days. The exceptions that can be the 42 days. The exceptions for that can be the 42 days. The exceptions for the that can be the 42 days. The exceptions for the 42 that can be the 42 days. The exceptions for the 42 days that can be the 42 days. The exceptions for the 42 days are that can be the 42 days. The exceptions for the 42 days are where exceptions for the 42 days are where the exceptions for the 42 days are where the tenants' exceptions for the 42 days are where the tenants' family exceptions for the 42 days are where the tenants' family - exceptions for the 42 days are where the tenants' family - sorry, exceptions for the 42 days are where the tenants' family - sorry, the the tenants' family - sorry, the landlord's the tenants' family - sorry, the landlord's family the tenants' family - sorry, the landlord's family or the tenants' family - sorry, the landlord's family or themselves the tenants' family - sorry, the landlord's family or themselves want landlord's family or themselves want to landlord's family or themselves want to move landlord's family or themselves want to move in landlord's family or themselves want to move in or landlord's family or themselves want to move in or an landlord's family or themselves want to move in or an employee, landlord's family or themselves want to move in or an employee, and landlord's family or themselves want to move in or an employee, and then to move in or an employee, and then in to move in or an employee, and then in the to move in or an employee, and then in the cases to move in or an employee, and then in the cases of to move in or an employee, and then in the cases of where to move in or an employee, and then in the cases of where they to move in or an employee, and then in the cases of where they might in the cases of where they might have in the cases of where they might have sold, in the cases of where they might have sold, where in the cases of where they might have sold, where it's in the cases of where they might have sold, where it's sold, in the cases of where they might have sold, where it's sold, it's in the cases of where they might have sold, where it's sold, it's an have sold, where it's sold, it's an unconditional have sold, where it's sold, it's an unconditional agreement have sold, where it's sold, it's an unconditional agreement actually unconditional agreement actually signed unconditional agreement actually unconditional unconditional agreement actually signed and the unconditional agreement actually signed and the new unconditional agreement actually signed and the new owner unconditional agreement actually signed and the new owner wants unconditional agreement actually signed and the new owner wants a signed and the new owner wants a vacant signed and the new owner wants a vacant property, signed and the new owner wants a vacant property, that's signed and the new owner wants a vacant property, that's 42 signed and the new owner wants a vacant property, that's 42 days signed and the new owner wants a vacant property, that's 42 days from vacant property, that's 42 days from then, vacant property, that's 42 days from then, not vacant property, that's 42 days from then, not from vacant property, that's 42 days from then, not from when vacant property, that's 42 days from then, not from when it vacant property, that's 42 days from then, not from when it goes vacant property, that's 42 days from then, not from when it goes on vacant property, that's 42 days from then, not from when it goes on the then, not from when it goes on the market then, not from when it goes on the market or then, not from when it goes on the market or anything then, not from when it goes on the market or anything else. then, not from when it goes on the market or anything else. So then, not from when it goes on the market or anything else. So actually market or anything else. So actually 90 market or anything else. So actually 90 days market or anything else. So actually 90 days is market or anything else. So actually 90 days is the market or anything else. So actually 90 days is the norm. market or anything else. So actually 90 days is the norm. Is market or anything else. So actually 90 days is the norm. Is the market or anything else. So actually 90 days is the norm. Is the Minister 90 days is the norm. Is the Minister arguing 90 days is the norm. Is the Minister arguing that 90 days is the norm. Is the Minister arguing that a 90 days is the norm. Is the Minister arguing that a landlord's 90 days is the norm. Is the Minister arguing that a landlord's family 90 days is the norm. Is the Minister arguing that a landlord's family has arguing that a landlord's family has more arguing that a landlord's family has more rights arguing that a landlord's family has more rights to arguing that a landlord's family has more rights to that arguing that a landlord's family has more rights to that home arguing that a landlord's family has more rights to that home than arguing that a landlord's family has more rights to that home than the more rights to that home than the tenants' more rights to that home than the tenants' family more rights to that home than the tenants' family who more rights to that home than the tenants' family who may more rights to that home than the tenants' family who may well more rights to that home than the tenants' family who may well have tenants' family who may well have been tenants' family who may well have been living tenants' family who may well have been living in tenants' family who may well have been living in that tenants' family who may well have been living in that home tenants' family who may well have been living in that home for tenants' family who may well have been living in that home for many been living in that home for many years, been living in that home for many years, built been living in that home for many years, built their been living in that home for many years, built their lives been living in that home for many years, built their lives around been living in that home for many years, built their lives around the years, built their lives around the schools years, built their lives around the schools and years, built their lives around the schools and work years, built their lives around the schools and work and years, built their lives around the schools and work and community schools and work and community there, schools and work and community there, that schools and work and community there, that those schools and work and community there, that those tenants schools and work and community there, that those tenants have schools and work and community there, that those tenants have less there, that those tenants have less right there, that those tenants have less right than there, that those tenants have less right than those there, that those tenants have less right than those other there, that those tenants have less right than those other family? there, that those tenants have less right than those other family? Mr right than those other family? Mr Speaker, right than those other family? Mr Speaker, well, right than those other family? Mr Speaker, well, Mr right than those other family? Mr Speaker, well, Mr Speaker, right than those other family? Mr Speaker, well, Mr Speaker, we Speaker, well, Mr Speaker, we believe Speaker, well, Mr Speaker, we believe in Speaker, well, Mr Speaker, we believe in property Speaker, well, Mr Speaker, we believe in property rights. Speaker, well, Mr Speaker, we believe in property rights. The believe in property rights. The landlord believe in property rights. The landlord owns believe in property rights. The landlord owns the believe in property rights. The landlord owns the property believe in property rights. The landlord owns the property and believe in property rights. The landlord owns the property and if landlord owns the property and if they landlord owns the property and if they wish landlord owns the property and if they wish it landlord owns the property and if they wish it for landlord owns the property and if they wish it for themselves landlord owns the property and if they wish it for themselves or landlord owns the property and if they wish it for themselves or their they wish it for themselves or their family, they wish it for themselves or their family, then they wish it for themselves or their family, then they they wish it for themselves or their family, then they only they wish it for themselves or their family, then they only have they wish it for themselves or their family, then they only have to they wish it for themselves or their family, then they only have to give family, then they only have to give 42 family, then they only have to give 42 days' family, then they only have to give 42 days' notice. family, then they only have to give 42 days' notice. So, family, then they only have to give 42 days' notice. So, yes. family, then they only have to give 42 days' notice. So, yes. Has family, then they only have to give 42 days' notice. So, yes. Has the 42 days' notice. So, yes. Has the Minister... 42 days' notice. So, yes. Has the Minister... Order! 42 days' notice. So, yes. Has the Minister... Order! Supplementary Minister... Order! Supplementary question, Minister... Order! Supplementary question, Metiria Minister... Order! Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Minister... Order! Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Has Minister... Order! Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Has the question, Metiria Turei. Has the Minister question, Metiria Turei. Has the Minister talked question, Metiria Turei. Has the Minister talked to question, Metiria Turei. Has the Minister talked to the question, Metiria Turei. Has the Minister talked to the Minister question, Metiria Turei. Has the Minister talked to the Minister of Minister talked to the Minister of Education Minister talked to the Minister of Education about Minister talked to the Minister of Education about the Minister talked to the Minister of Education about the effect Minister talked to the Minister of Education about the effect on Education about the effect on children Education about the effect on children and Education about the effect on children and having Education about the effect on children and having to Education about the effect on children and having to move Education about the effect on children and having to move schools children and having to move schools every children and having to move schools every year children and having to move schools every year because children and having to move schools every year because their children and having to move schools every year because their parents every year because their parents cannot every year because their parents cannot afford every year because their parents cannot afford stable, every year because their parents cannot afford stable, long-term cannot afford stable, long-term tenancies cannot afford stable, long-term tenancies in cannot afford stable, long-term tenancies in homes cannot afford stable, long-term tenancies in homes because cannot afford stable, long-term tenancies in homes because of cannot afford stable, long-term tenancies in homes because of rent tenancies in homes because of rent increases tenancies in homes because of rent increases and tenancies in homes because of rent increases and 42-day tenancies in homes because of rent increases and 42-day notices? tenancies in homes because of rent increases and 42-day notices? Well, increases and 42-day notices? Well, Mr increases and 42-day notices? Well, Mr Speaker, increases and 42-day notices? Well, Mr Speaker, yes, increases and 42-day notices? Well, Mr Speaker, yes, I increases and 42-day notices? Well, Mr Speaker, yes, I have, increases and 42-day notices? Well, Mr Speaker, yes, I have, and Mr Speaker, yes, I have, and actually Mr Speaker, yes, I have, and actually we Mr Speaker, yes, I have, and actually we agree Mr Speaker, yes, I have, and actually we agree with Mr Speaker, yes, I have, and actually we agree with and Mr Speaker, yes, I have, and actually we agree with and share Mr Speaker, yes, I have, and actually we agree with and share her actually we agree with and share her concerns actually we agree with and share her concerns around actually we agree with and share her concerns around those actually we agree with and share her concerns around those that actually we agree with and share her concerns around those that are concerns around those that are moving concerns around those that are moving a concerns around those that are moving a lot concerns around those that are moving a lot and concerns around those that are moving a lot and not concerns around those that are moving a lot and not actually moving a lot and not actually getting moving a lot and not actually getting settled moving a lot and not actually getting settled in moving a lot and not actually getting settled in their getting settled in their communities. getting settled in their concerns getting settled in their communities. That's why getting settled in their communities. That's why we getting settled in their communities. That's why we have getting settled in their communities. That's why we have a communities. That's why we have a number communities. That's why we have a number of communities. That's why we have a number of things communities. That's why we have a number of things that communities. That's why we have a number of things that are communities. That's why we have a number of things that are in communities. That's why we have a number of things that are in place number of things that are in place that number of things that are in place that are number of things that are in place that are leading number of things that are in place that are leading towards number of things that are in place that are leading towards that, that are leading towards that, whether that are leading towards that, whether it's that are leading towards that, whether it's around that are leading towards that, whether it's around social that are leading towards that, whether it's around social housing, whether it's around social housing, whether whether it's around social housing, whether it's whether it's around social housing, whether it's around whether it's around social housing, whether it's around the whether it's around social housing, whether it's around the work whether it's around social housing, whether it's around the work that's whether it's around the work that's going whether it's around the work that's going on whether it's around the work that's going on via whether it's around the work that's going on via schools whether it's around the work that's going on via schools and whether it's around the work that's going on via schools and social going on via schools and social weeks going on via schools and social weeks in going on via schools and social weeks in schools going on via schools and social weeks in schools and going on via schools and social weeks in schools and other going on via schools and social weeks in schools and other sort going on via schools and social weeks in schools and other sort of weeks in schools and other sort of programmes, weeks in schools and other sort of programmes, what weeks in schools and other sort of programmes, what we weeks in schools and other sort of programmes, what we are weeks in schools and other sort of programmes, what we are concerned programmes, what we are concerned about programmes, what we are concerned about is programmes, what we are concerned about is that programmes, what we are concerned about is that some programmes, what we are concerned about is that some of programmes, what we are concerned about is that some of the programmes, what we are concerned about is that some of the policies about is that some of the policies that about is that some of the policies that the about is that some of the policies that the member about is that some of the policies that the member is about is that some of the policies that the member is trying about is that some of the policies that the member is trying to about is that some of the policies that the member is trying to put that the member is trying to put through that the member is trying to put through in that the member is trying to put through in her that the member is trying to put through in her bill, that the member is trying to put through in her bill, potentially through in her bill, potentially could through in her bill, potentially could have through in her bill, potentially could have landlords through in her bill, potentially could have landlords withdrawing could have landlords withdrawing houses could have landlords withdrawing houses for could have landlords withdrawing houses for tenants could have landlords withdrawing houses for tenants and could have landlords withdrawing houses for tenants and as could have landlords withdrawing houses for tenants and as a houses for tenants and as a consequence houses for tenants and as a consequence of houses for tenants and as a consequence of that houses for tenants and as a consequence of that we houses for tenants and as a consequence of that we think houses for tenants and as a consequence of that we think that, consequence of that we think that, of consequence of that we think that, of course, consequence of that we think that, of course, it consequence of that we think that, of course, it will consequence of that we think that, of course, it will mean consequence of that we think that, of course, it will mean fewer consequence of that we think that, of course, it will mean fewer homes of course, it will mean fewer homes and of course, it will mean fewer homes and lead of course, it will mean fewer homes and lead to of course, it will mean fewer homes and lead to more of course, it will mean fewer homes and lead to more disadvantage of course, it will mean fewer homes and lead to more disadvantage for and lead to more disadvantage for those and lead to more disadvantage for those very and lead to more disadvantage for those very people and lead to more disadvantage for those very people she's and lead to more disadvantage for those very people she's trying and lead to more disadvantage for those very people she's trying to those very people she's trying to help. those very people she's trying to help. Does those very people she's trying to help. Does the those very people she's trying to help. Does the Minister those very people she's trying to help. Does the Minister not help. Does the Minister not understand help. Does the Minister not understand how help. Does the Minister not understand how irrational help. Does the Minister not understand how irrational it help. Does the Minister not understand how irrational it is help. Does the Minister not understand how irrational it is for understand how irrational it is for the understand how irrational it is for the Minister understand how irrational it is for the Minister of understand how irrational it is for the Minister of Housing understand how irrational it is for the Minister of Housing to understand how irrational it is for the Minister of Housing to be the Minister of Housing to be telling the Minister of Housing to be telling families the Minister of Housing to be telling families not the Minister of Housing to be telling families not to the Minister of Housing to be telling families not to buy the Minister of Housing to be telling families not to buy a the Minister of Housing to be telling families not to buy a house telling families not to buy a house because telling families not to buy a house because housing telling families not to buy a house because housing is telling families not to buy a house because housing is too telling families not to buy a house because housing is too expensive? because housing is too expensive? And because housing is too expensive? And yet because housing is too expensive? And yet to because housing is too expensive? And yet to stay because housing is too expensive? And yet to stay in because housing is too expensive? And yet to stay in rental And yet to stay in rental accommodation And yet to stay in rental accommodation when And yet to stay in rental accommodation when renting And yet to stay in rental accommodation when renting is, And yet to stay in rental accommodation when renting is, as accommodation when renting is, as she accommodation when renting is, as she has accommodation when renting is, as she has said, accommodation when renting is, as she has said, insecure, accommodation when renting is, as she has said, insecure, unstable accommodation when renting is, as she has said, insecure, unstable and she has said, insecure, unstable and expensive? she has said, insecure, unstable and expensive? Mr she has said, insecure, unstable and expensive? Mr Speaker, she has said, insecure, unstable and expensive? Mr Speaker, I she has said, insecure, unstable and expensive? Mr Speaker, I know she has said, insecure, unstable and expensive? Mr Speaker, I know it's expensive? Mr Speaker, I know it's hard expensive? Mr Speaker, I know it's hard for expensive? Mr Speaker, I know it's hard for the expensive? Mr Speaker, I know it's hard for the member expensive? Mr Speaker, I know it's hard for the member to expensive? Mr Speaker, I know it's hard for the member to appreciate, hard for the member to appreciate, but hard for the member to appreciate, but actually hard for the member to appreciate, but actually I hard for the member to appreciate, but actually I think hard for the member to appreciate, but actually I think that hard for the member to appreciate, but actually I think that there hard for the member to appreciate, but actually I think that there is hard for the member to appreciate, but actually I think that there is a but actually I think that there is a - but actually I think that there is a - probably but actually I think that there is a - probably agreement but actually I think that there is a - probably agreement across but actually I think that there is a - probably agreement across the - probably agreement across the House - probably agreement across the House to - probably agreement across the House to what - probably agreement across the House to what we - probably agreement across the House to what we want - probably agreement across the House to what we want to - probably agreement across the House to what we want to see - probably agreement across the House to what we want to see the House to what we want to see the outcomes House to what we want to see the outcomes for House to what we want to see the outcomes for these House to what we want to see the outcomes for these people. 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What we disagree in is that actually the disagree in is that actually the venue disagree in is that actually the venue and disagree in is that actually the venue and the disagree in is that actually the venue and the vehicle disagree in is that actually the venue and the vehicle for disagree in is that actually the venue and the vehicle for doing disagree in is that actually the venue and the vehicle for doing that venue and the vehicle for doing that and venue and the vehicle for doing that and the venue and the vehicle for doing that and the member's venue and the vehicle for doing that and the member's bill venue and the vehicle for doing that and the member's bill at venue and the vehicle for doing that and the member's bill at the venue and the vehicle for doing that and the member's bill at the very and the member's bill at the very worst and the member's bill at the very worst is and the member's bill at the very worst is actually and the member's bill at the very worst is actually careless and the member's bill at the very worst is actually careless and and the member's bill at the very worst is actually careless and could worst is actually careless and could lead worst is actually careless and could lead to worst is actually careless and could lead to more worst is actually careless and could lead to more actually worst is actually careless and could lead to more actually vulnerability lead to more actually vulnerability for lead to more actually vulnerability for those lead to more actually vulnerability for those very lead to more actually vulnerability for those very families lead to more actually vulnerability for those very families whom lead to more actually vulnerability for those very families whom she lead to more actually vulnerability for those very families whom she is for those very families whom she is trying for those very families whom she is trying to for those very families whom she is trying to help. for those very families whom she is trying to help. This, for those very families whom she is trying to help. This, we for those very families whom she is trying to help. This, we have for those very families whom she is trying to help. This, we have said, trying to help. This, we have said, we're trying to help. This, we have said, we're looking trying to help. This, we have said, we're looking at trying to help. This, we have said, we're looking at setting trying to help. This, we have said, we're looking at setting up trying to help. This, we have said, we're looking at setting up a we're looking at setting up a stakeholder we're looking at setting up a stakeholder esadvisory we're looking at setting up a stakeholder esadvisory group we're looking at setting up a stakeholder esadvisory group where stakeholder esadvisory group where it stakeholder esadvisory group where trying stakeholder esadvisory group where it can be stakeholder esadvisory group where it can be carefully stakeholder esadvisory group where it can be carefully considered, stakeholder esadvisory group where it can be carefully considered, we it can be carefully considered, we can it can be carefully considered, we can make it can be carefully considered, we can make sure it can be carefully considered, we can make sure we it can be carefully considered, we can make sure we got it can be carefully considered, we can make sure we got the it can be carefully considered, we can make sure we got the interests can make sure we got the interests of can make sure we got the interests of the can make sure we got the interests of the tenants can make sure we got the interests of the tenants for can make sure we got the interests of the tenants for most can make sure we got the interests of the tenants for most of can make sure we got the interests of the tenants for most of -- of the tenants for most of -- foremost of the tenants for most of -- foremost in of the tenants for most of -- foremost in those of the tenants for most of -- foremost in those views, of the tenants for most of -- foremost in those views, we of the tenants for most of -- foremost in those views, we made foremost in those views, we made changes foremost in those views, we made changes to foremost in those views, we made changes to the foremost in those views, we made changes to the act foremost in those views, we made changes to the act earlier foremost in those views, we made changes to the act earlier this foremost in those views, we made changes to the act earlier this year changes to the act earlier this year which changes to the act earlier this year which I changes to the act earlier this year which I think changes to the act earlier this year which I think go changes to the act earlier this year which I think go some changes to the act earlier this year which I think go some way changes to the act earlier this year which I think go some way towards which I think go some way towards protecting which I think go some way towards protecting some which I think go some way towards protecting some of which I think go some way towards protecting some of the which I think go some way towards protecting some of the tenants' protecting some of the tenants' rights, protecting some of the tenants' rights, they protecting some of the tenants' rights, they do protecting some of the tenants' rights, they do actually. protecting some of the tenants' rights, they do actually. And protecting some of the tenants' rights, they do actually. And that's rights, they do actually. And that's what rights, they do actually. And that's what we'll rights, they do actually. And that's what we'll continue rights, they do actually. And that's what we'll continue to rights, they do actually. And that's what we'll continue to do, rights, they do actually. And that's what we'll continue to do, but rights, they do actually. And that's what we'll continue to do, but it what we'll continue to do, but it will what we'll continue to do, but it will be what we'll continue to do, but it will be in what we'll continue to do, but it will be in a what we'll continue to do, but it will be in a careful what we'll continue to do, but it will be in a careful and what we'll continue to do, but it will be in a careful and thoughtful will be in a careful and thoughtful manner will be in a careful and thoughtful manner that will be in a careful and thoughtful manner that leads will be in a careful and thoughtful manner that leads to will be in a careful and thoughtful manner that leads to better manner that leads to better outcomes. manner that leads to better outcomes. Question manner that leads to better outcomes. Question No. manner that leads to better outcomes. Question No. 6. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: Education: Does Education: Does she Education: Does she stand Education: Does she stand by Education: Does she stand by her Education: Does she stand by her statement Education: Does she stand by her statement that Does she stand by her statement that funding Does she stand by her statement that funding for Does she stand by her statement that funding for at-risk Does she stand by her statement that funding for at-risk students funding for at-risk students announced funding for at-risk students announced in funding for at-risk students announced in Budget funding for at-risk students announced in Budget 2016 announced in Budget 2016 "is announced in Budget 2016 "is a announced in Budget 2016 "is a clear announced in Budget 2016 "is a clear example announced in Budget 2016 "is a clear example of announced in Budget 2016 "is a clear example of how announced in Budget 2016 "is a clear example of how our "is a clear example of how our funding "is a clear example of how our funding system "is a clear example of how our funding system could "is a clear example of how our funding system could be "is a clear example of how our funding system could be changed "is a clear example of how our funding system could be changed to funding system could be changed to get funding system could be changed to get more funding system could be changed to get more support funding system could be changed to get more support to funding system could be changed to get more support to those funding system could be changed to get more support to those students get more support to those students who get more support to those students who need get more support to those students who need it get more support to those students who need it most"; get more support to those students who need it most"; if get more support to those students who need it most"; if so, get more support to those students who need it most"; if so, is get more support to those students who need it most"; if so, is she who need it most"; if so, is she concerned who need it most"; if so, is she concerned that who need it most"; if so, is she concerned that a who need it most"; if so, is she concerned that a recent who need it most"; if so, is she concerned that a recent survey who need it most"; if so, is she concerned that a recent survey found concerned that a recent survey found over concerned that a recent survey found over a concerned that a recent survey found over a third concerned that a recent survey found over a third of concerned that a recent survey found over a third of principals concerned that a recent survey found over a third of principals are over a third of principals are considering over a third of principals are considering reducing over a third of principals are considering reducing support over a third of principals are considering reducing support staff considering reducing support staff hours considering reducing support staff hours in considering reducing support staff hours in 2017? Tena Tena koe, Tena koe, Mr Tena koe, Mr Speaker. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Hekia Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Hekia Parata. Mr Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Hekia Parata. Mr Speaker, Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Hekia Parata. Mr Speaker, I Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Hekia Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Hekia Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand by Tena koe, Mr Speaker. The Hon Hekia Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand by my Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand by my statement. Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand by my statement. In Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand by my statement. In regard Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand by my statement. In regard to Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand by my statement. In regard to the Parata. Mr Speaker, I stand by my statement. In regard to the second statement. In regard to the second part statement. In regard to the second part of statement. In regard to the second part of the statement. In regard to the second part of the question, statement. In regard to the second part of the question, I'm statement. In regard to the second part of the question, I'm more part of the question, I'm more concerned part of the question, I'm more concerned that part of the question, I'm more concerned that the part of the question, I'm more concerned that the member part of the question, I'm more concerned that the member either concerned that the member either doesn't concerned that the member either doesn't know concerned that the member either doesn't know or concerned that the member either doesn't know or misunderstands concerned that the member either doesn't know or misunderstands that doesn't know or misunderstands that the doesn't know or misunderstands that the survey doesn't know or misunderstands that the survey had doesn't know or misunderstands that the survey had a doesn't know or misunderstands that the survey had a response doesn't know or misunderstands that the survey had a response from doesn't know or misunderstands that the survey had a response from just the survey had a response from just 307 the survey had a response from just 307 out the survey had a response from just 307 out of the survey had a response from just 307 out of approximately the survey had a response from just 307 out of approximately 2,380 307 out of approximately 2,380 principals, 307 out of approximately 2,380 principals, which 307 out of approximately 2,380 principals, which is 307 out of approximately 2,380 principals, which is 7.8%, 307 out of approximately 2,380 principals, which is 7.8%, not 307 out of approximately 2,380 principals, which is 7.8%, not a principals, which is 7.8%, not a third. principals, which is 7.8%, not a third. Of principals, which is 7.8%, not a third. Of those principals, which is 7.8%, not a third. Of those 119, principals, which is 7.8%, not a third. Of those 119, 10 principals, which is 7.8%, not a third. Of those 119, 10 from principals, which is 7.8%, not a third. Of those 119, 10 from the third. Of those 119, 10 from the PPTA third. Of those 119, 10 from the PPTA and third. Of those 119, 10 from the PPTA and the third. Of those 119, 10 from the PPTA and the 109 third. Of those 119, 10 from the PPTA and the 109 from third. Of those 119, 10 from the PPTA and the 109 from the third. Of those 119, 10 from the PPTA and the 109 from the NZI third. Of those 119, 10 from the PPTA and the 109 from the NZI that PPTA and the 109 from the NZI that said PPTA and the 109 from the NZI that said they PPTA and the 109 from the NZI that said they were PPTA and the 109 from the NZI that said they were considering PPTA and the 109 from the NZI that said they were considering changing said they were considering changing their said they were considering changing their staff said they were considering changing their staff support said they were considering changing their staff support hours. said they were considering changing their staff support hours. Mr their staff support hours. Mr Speaker, their staff support hours. Mr Speaker, I'd their staff support hours. Mr Speaker, I'd be their staff support hours. Mr Speaker, I'd be concerned their staff support hours. Mr Speaker, I'd be concerned if Speaker, I'd be concerned if principals Speaker, I'd be concerned if principals weren't Speaker, I'd be concerned if principals weren't considering Speaker, I'd be concerned if principals weren't considering what principals weren't considering what staffing principals weren't considering what staffing they principals weren't considering what staffing they required principals weren't considering what staffing they required for principals weren't considering what staffing they required for the principals weren't considering what staffing they required for the next staffing they required for the next year. staffing they required for the next year. I staffing they required for the next year. I think staffing they required for the next year. I think that's staffing they required for the next year. I think that's highly year. I think that's highly appropriate. year. I think that's highly appropriate. I year. I think that's highly appropriate. I also year. I think that's highly appropriate. I also think year. I think that's highly appropriate. I also think it's appropriate. I also think it's highly appropriate. I also think it's highly misleading appropriate. I also think it's highly misleading to appropriate. I also think it's highly misleading to use appropriate. I also think it's highly misleading to use a appropriate. I also think it's highly misleading to use a teacher highly misleading to use a teacher trade highly misleading to use a teacher trade union highly misleading to use a teacher trade union survey highly misleading to use a teacher trade union survey to highly misleading to use a teacher trade union survey to conclude highly misleading to use a teacher trade union survey to conclude that trade union survey to conclude that all trade union survey to conclude that all our trade union survey to conclude that all our schooling trade union survey to conclude that all our schooling sector trade union survey to conclude that all our schooling sector is trade union survey to conclude that all our schooling sector is making trade union survey to conclude that all our schooling sector is making a all our schooling sector is making a change all our schooling sector is making a change based all our schooling sector is making a change based on all our schooling sector is making a change based on the all our schooling sector is making a change based on the views all our schooling sector is making a change based on the views of all our schooling sector is making a change based on the views of just change based on the views of just 5%. change based on the views of just 5%. . change based on the views of just 5%. . What change based on the views of just 5%. . What does change based on the views of just 5%. . What does she change based on the views of just 5%. . What does she say change based on the views of just 5%. . What does she say to change based on the views of just 5%. . What does she say to the 5%. . What does she say to the Wellington 5%. . What does she say to the Wellington principal 5%. . What does she say to the Wellington principal from 5%. . What does she say to the Wellington principal from a 5%. . What does she say to the Wellington principal from a decile 5%. . What does she say to the Wellington principal from a decile 1 Wellington principal from a decile 1 school, Wellington principal from a decile 1 school, "As Wellington principal from a decile 1 school, "As a Wellington principal from a decile 1 school, "As a dessite Wellington principal from a decile 1 school, "As a dessite 1 Wellington principal from a decile 1 school, "As a dessite 1 community school, "As a dessite 1 community there school, "As a dessite 1 community there is school, "As a dessite 1 community there is no school, "As a dessite 1 community there is no option school, "As a dessite 1 community there is no option of school, "As a dessite 1 community there is no option of raising school, "As a dessite 1 community there is no option of raising the there is no option of raising the money there is no option of raising the money through there is no option of raising the money through parent there is no option of raising the money through parent donations there is no option of raising the money through parent donations and money through parent donations and fund-raising, money through parent donations and fund-raising, therefore money through parent donations and fund-raising, therefore we money through parent donations and fund-raising, therefore we can money through parent donations and fund-raising, therefore we can only fund-raising, therefore we can only reduce fund-raising, therefore we can only reduce our fund-raising, therefore we can only reduce our expend fund-raising, therefore we can only reduce our expend your fund-raising, therefore we can only reduce our expend your as fund-raising, therefore we can only reduce our expend your as much fund-raising, therefore we can only reduce our expend your as much as reduce our expend your as much as possible reduce our expend your as much as possible which reduce our expend your as much as possible which then reduce our expend your as much as possible which then disadvantages possible which then disadvantages our possible which then disadvantages reduce possible which then disadvantages our students further"? possible which then disadvantages our students further"? Mr possible which then disadvantages our students further"? Mr Speaker, possible which then disadvantages our students further"? Mr Speaker, I our students further"? Mr Speaker, I would our students further"? Mr Speaker, I would say our students further"? Mr Speaker, I would say that our students further"? Mr Speaker, I would say that if our students further"? Mr Speaker, I would say that if he our students further"? Mr Speaker, I would say that if he needs would say that if he needs assistance would say that if he needs assistance in would say that if he needs assistance in thinking would say that if he needs assistance in thinking about would say that if he needs assistance in thinking about how would say that if he needs assistance in thinking about how his assistance in thinking about how his budget assistance in thinking about how his budget or assistance in thinking about how his budget or her assistance in thinking about how his budget or her budget assistance in thinking about how his budget or her budget is assistance in thinking about how his budget or her budget is to assistance in thinking about how his budget or her budget is to be assistance in thinking about how his budget or her budget is to be used, budget or her budget is to be used, the budget or her budget is to be used, the Ministry budget or her budget is to be used, the Ministry of budget or her budget is to be used, the Ministry of Education budget or her budget is to be used, the Ministry of Education is the Ministry of Education is available the Ministry of Education is available to the Ministry of Education is available to do the Ministry of Education is available to do that. the Ministry of Education is available to do that. Under the Ministry of Education is available to do that. Under this available to do that. Under this government, available to do that. Under this government, funding available to do that. Under this government, funding for available to do that. Under this government, funding for primary government, funding for primary schooling government, funding for primary schooling has government, funding for primary schooling has gone government, funding for primary schooling has gone up government, funding for primary schooling has gone up over government, funding for primary schooling has gone up over 30%. government, funding for primary schooling has gone up over 30%. For schooling has gone up over 30%. For secondary schooling has gone up over 30%. For secondary school, schooling has gone up over 30%. For secondary school, over schooling has gone up over 30%. For secondary school, over 24%. schooling has gone up over 30%. For secondary school, over 24%. In schooling has gone up over 30%. 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On top of that, that $1.35 billion. On top of that, that school, $1.35 billion. On top of that, that school, being $1.35 billion. On top of that, that school, being dessite $1.35 billion. On top of that, that school, being dessite one, $1.35 billion. 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NZQA has been working with those schools and students for with those schools and students for support with those schools and students for support on with those schools and students for support on derived with those schools and students for support on derived grades with those schools and students for support on derived grades to support on derived grades to recognise support on derived grades to recognise the support on derived grades to recognise the impact support on derived grades to recognise the impact and recognise the impact and destruction. recognise the impact and destruction. Scholarship recognise the impact and destruction. Scholarship exams recognise the impact and destruction. Scholarship exams have destruction. Scholarship exams have been destruction. Scholarship exams have been rescheduled destruction. Scholarship exams have been rescheduled and destruction. Scholarship exams have been rescheduled and provided destruction. 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Scholarship exams have been rescheduled and provided at the been rescheduled and provided at the schools been rescheduled and provided at the schools that been rescheduled and provided at the schools that were been rescheduled and provided at the schools that were able been rescheduled and provided at the schools that were able to been rescheduled and provided at the schools that were able to reopen schools that were able to reopen earlier schools that were able to reopen earlier with schools that were able to reopen earlier with scholarship schools that were able to reopen earlier with scholarship history schools that were able to reopen earlier with scholarship history and earlier with scholarship history and chemistry earlier with scholarship history and chemistry exams earlier with scholarship history and chemistry exams taking earlier with scholarship history and chemistry exams taking place earlier with scholarship history and chemistry exams taking place this chemistry exams taking place this week. chemistry exams taking place this week. Two chemistry exams taking place this week. Two very chemistry exams taking place this week. Two very experienced week. Two very experienced principals week. Two very experienced principals are week. Two very experienced principals are on week. Two very experienced principals are on the week. Two very experienced principals are on the ground week. Two very experienced principals are on the ground two principals are on the ground two provide principals are on the ground two provide support principals are on the ground two provide support to principals are on the ground two provide support to those principals are on the ground two provide support to those schools provide support to those schools that provide support to those schools that wish provide support to those schools that wish to provide support to those schools that wish to have provide support to those schools that wish to have it provide support to those schools that wish to have it and, provide support to those schools that wish to have it and, lastly, provide support to those schools that wish to have it and, lastly, I that wish to have it and, lastly, I am that wish to have it and, lastly, I am very that wish to have it and, lastly, I am very pleased that wish to have it and, lastly, I am very pleased to that wish to have it and, lastly, I am very pleased to say that wish to have it and, lastly, I am very pleased to say that that wish to have it and, lastly, I am very pleased to say that Kaikoura am very pleased to say that Kaikoura Primary am very pleased to say that Kaikoura Primary School am very pleased to say that Kaikoura Primary School who am very pleased to say that Kaikoura Primary School who recently am very pleased to say that Kaikoura Primary School who recently had Primary School who recently had constructed Primary School who recently had constructed new Primary School who recently had constructed new modular Primary School who recently had constructed new modular buildings, constructed new modular buildings, they constructed new modular buildings, they performed constructed new modular buildings, they performed incredibly constructed new modular buildings, they performed incredibly well constructed new modular buildings, they performed incredibly well with they performed incredibly well with no they performed incredibly well with no structural they performed incredibly well with no structural damage they performed incredibly well with no structural damage and they performed incredibly well with no structural damage and the no structural damage and the resilience no structural damage and the resilience of no structural damage and the resilience of the no structural damage and the resilience of the bulk no structural damage and the resilience of the bulk of no structural damage and the resilience of the bulk of school resilience of the bulk of school buildings resilience of the bulk of school buildings has resilience of the bulk of school buildings has helped resilience of the bulk of school buildings has helped all resilience of the bulk of school buildings has helped all of resilience of the bulk of school buildings has helped all of the buildings has helped all of the schools buildings has helped all of the schools to buildings has helped all of the schools to reopen buildings has helped all of the schools to reopen quickly buildings has helped all of the schools to reopen quickly for buildings has helped all of the schools to reopen quickly for their schools to reopen quickly for their 487 schools to reopen quickly for their 487 students, schools to reopen quickly for their 487 students, the schools to reopen quickly for their 487 students, the parents schools to reopen quickly for their 487 students, the parents and schools to reopen quickly for their 487 students, the parents and the 487 students, the parents and the community. 487 students, the parents and the community. Question 487 students, the parents and the community. Question month 487 students, the parents and the community. Question month 9, 487 students, the parents and the community. Question month 9, Iain community. Question month 9, Iain Lees-Galloway. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Immigration: Immigration: Is Immigration: Is the Immigration: Is the immigration Immigration: Is the immigration system Immigration: Is the immigration system working Immigration: Is the immigration system working in Is the immigration system working in the Is the immigration system working in the best Is the immigration system working in the best interests Is the immigration system working in the best interests of Is the immigration system working in the best interests of New Is the immigration system working in the best interests of New Zealand the best interests of New Zealand and the best interests of New Zealand and migrants? The The Hon The Hon Michael The Hon Michael Woodhouse. The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, over-all The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, over-all yes. The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, over-all yes. Results The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, over-all yes. Results and Speaker, over-all yes. Results and improvements Speaker, over-all yes. Results and improvements to Speaker, over-all yes. Results and improvements to New Speaker, over-all yes. Results and improvements to New Zealand Speaker, over-all yes. Results and improvements to New Zealand both improvements to New Zealand both economicically, improvements to New Zealand both economicically, socialy improvements to New Zealand both economicically, socialy and economicically, socialy and culturally. economicically, socialy and culturally. For economicically, socialy and culturally. For migrants economicically, socialy and culturally. For migrants the culturally. For migrants the immigration culturally. For migrants the immigration system culturally. For migrants the immigration system supported culturally. For migrants the immigration system supported a immigration system supported a business immigration system supported a business start-up immigration system supported a business start-up and immigration system supported a business start-up and for immigration system supported a business start-up and for those business start-up and for those staying business start-up and for those staying longer business start-up and for those staying longer or business start-up and for those staying longer or permanently business start-up and for those staying longer or permanently the staying longer or permanently the framework staying longer or permanently the framework is staying longer or permanently the framework is recognised staying longer or permanently the framework is recognised as staying longer or permanently the framework is recognised as world framework is recognised as world leading. framework is recognised as world leading. 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How can the immigration system be working in the immigration system be working in the best immigration system be working in the best interests immigration system be working in the best interests of immigration system be working in the best interests of skilled immigration system be working in the best interests of skilled migrants, best interests of skilled migrants, given best interests of skilled migrants, given their best interests of skilled migrants, given their earnings best interests of skilled migrants, given their earnings have best interests of skilled migrants, given their earnings have fallen best interests of skilled migrants, given their earnings have fallen by given their earnings have fallen by 10% given their earnings have fallen by 10% between given their earnings have fallen by 10% between 2003 given their earnings have fallen by 10% between 2003 and given their earnings have fallen by 10% between 2003 and 2013? given their earnings have fallen by 10% between 2003 and 2013? 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I presume the member refers to recent migrants. I presume the member refers to recent residency migrants. I presume the member refers to recent residency visa refers to recent residency visa holders refers to recent residency visa holders who refers to recent residency visa holders who were refers to recent residency visa holders who were approved refers to recent residency visa holders who were approved for holders who were approved for residency holders who were approved for residency under holders who were approved for residency under the holders who were approved for residency under the skilled holders who were approved for residency under the skilled migrant residency under the skilled migrant category. residency under the skilled migrant category. I residency under the skilled migrant category. I don't residency under the skilled migrant category. I don't have residency under the skilled migrant category. I don't have ta residency under the skilled migrant category. 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I seek leave to table advice to the leave to table advice to the minister leave to table advice to the minister that leave to table advice to the minister that we leave to table advice to the minister that we received leave to table advice to the minister that we received under leave to table advice to the minister that we received under the minister that we received under the official minister that we received under the official information minister that we received under the official information Act minister that we received under the official information Act dated minister that we received under the official information Act dated 25 official information Act dated 25 May, official information Act dated 25 May, 2016 official information Act dated 25 May, 2016 that official information Act dated 25 May, 2016 that demonstrates official information Act dated 25 May, 2016 that demonstrates that May, 2016 that demonstrates that earnings May, 2016 that demonstrates that earnings for May, 2016 that demonstrates that earnings for skilled May, 2016 that demonstrates that earnings for skilled migrant May, 2016 that demonstrates that earnings for skilled migrant account earnings for skilled migrant account grey earnings for skilled migrant account grey migrants earnings for skilled migrant account grey migrants have earnings for skilled migrant account grey migrants have declined earnings for skilled migrant account grey migrants have declined by earnings for skilled migrant account grey migrants have declined by 10% grey migrants have declined by 10% over grey migrants have declined by 10% over that grey migrants have declined by 10% over that period. grey migrants have declined by 10% over that period. Leave grey migrants have declined by 10% over that period. Leave is grey migrants have declined by 10% over that period. Leave is sought. over that period. Leave is sought. Any over that period. Leave is sought. Any objection? over that period. Leave is sought. Any objection? Is over that period. Leave is sought. Any objection? Is there over that period. Leave is sought. Any objection? Is there any Any objection? Is there any objection? Any objection? Is there any objection? There Any objection? Is there any objection? There is Any objection? Is there any objection? There is none. Any objection? Is there any objection? There is none. Iain objection? There is none. Iain Lees-Galloway objection? There is none. Iain Lees-Galloway supplementary Lees-Galloway supplementary question. Lees-Galloway supplementary question. Why Lees-Galloway supplementary question. Why is Lees-Galloway supplementary question. Why is the Lees-Galloway supplementary question. Why is the immigration question. Why is the immigration system question. Why is the immigration system being question. Why is the immigration system being used question. Why is the immigration system being used to question. Why is the immigration system being used to undercut question. 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The other skilled workers in the same industry? The Hon other skilled workers in the same industry? The Hon Michael other skilled workers in the same industry? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. industry? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr industry? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, industry? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, I industry? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, I don't industry? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, I don't have industry? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. 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I seek leave to table advice to the minister acquired by advice to the minister acquired by us advice to the minister acquired by us under advice to the minister acquired by us under the advice to the minister acquired by us under the official advice to the minister acquired by us under the official information us under the official information Act us under the official information Act dated us under the official information Act dated 25 us under the official information Act dated 25 May, us under the official information Act dated 25 May, 2016, us under the official information Act dated 25 May, 2016, which Act dated 25 May, 2016, which demonstrates Act dated 25 May, 2016, which demonstrates that Act dated 25 May, 2016, which demonstrates that in Act dated 25 May, 2016, which demonstrates that in a Act dated 25 May, 2016, which demonstrates that in a variety Act dated 25 May, 2016, which demonstrates that in a variety of demonstrates that in a variety of categories, demonstrates that in a variety of categories, skill demonstrates that in a variety of categories, skill migrant demonstrates that in a variety of categories, skill migrant category, categories, skill migrant category, migrants categories, skill migrant category, migrants earn categories, skill migrant category, migrants earn less categories, skill migrant category, migrants earn less and categories, skill migrant category, migrants earn less and in categories, skill migrant category, migrants earn less and in particular migrants earn less and in particular -- migrants earn less and in particular -- Order! migrants earn less and in particular -- Order! 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Supplementary question Iain Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. If Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. If wages Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. If wages for Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. If wages for skilled Lees-Galloway. If wages for skilled workers Lees-Galloway. If wages for skilled workers are Lees-Galloway. If wages for skilled workers are being Lees-Galloway. If wages for skilled workers are being suppressed Lees-Galloway. If wages for skilled workers are being suppressed this workers are being suppressed this much workers are being suppressed this much by workers are being suppressed this much by migration, workers are being suppressed this much by migration, won't workers are being suppressed this much by migration, won't it workers are being suppressed this much by migration, won't it even workers are being suppressed this much by migration, won't it even be much by migration, won't it even be worse much by migration, won't it even be worse for much by migration, won't it even be worse for unskilled much by migration, won't it even be worse for unskilled migrants, much by migration, won't it even be worse for unskilled migrants, given worse for unskilled migrants, given that worse for unskilled migrants, given that his worse for unskilled migrants, given that his government worse for unskilled migrants, given that his government has worse for unskilled migrants, given that his government has approved worse for unskilled migrants, given that his government has approved 1.2 that his government has approved 1.2 million that his government has approved 1.2 million work that his government has approved 1.2 million work visas that his government has approved 1.2 million work visas since that his government has approved 1.2 million work visas since 2009? that his government has approved 1.2 million work visas since 2009? The million work visas since 2009? The Hon million work visas since 2009? The Hon Michael million work visas since 2009? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. million work visas since 2009? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Well, million work visas since 2009? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Well, Mr Hon Michael Woodhouse. Well, Mr Speaker, Hon Michael Woodhouse. Well, Mr Speaker, the Hon Michael Woodhouse. Well, Mr Speaker, the category Hon Michael Woodhouse. Well, Mr Speaker, the category of Hon Michael Woodhouse. Well, Mr Speaker, the category of work Hon Michael Woodhouse. 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I note for the House's benefit that the essential House's benefit that the essential skills House's benefit that the essential skills work House's benefit that the essential skills work visa House's benefit that the essential skills work visa category House's benefit that the essential skills work visa category has House's benefit that the essential skills work visa category has seen House's benefit that the essential skills work visa category has seen a skills work visa category has seen a marked skills work visa category has seen a marked reduction skills work visa category has seen a marked reduction since skills work visa category has seen a marked reduction since this marked reduction since this government marked reduction since this government came marked reduction since this government came to marked reduction since this government came to office, government came to office, particularly government came to office, particularly in government came to office, particularly in things government came to office, particularly in things like particularly in things like labourers, particularly in things like labourers, despite particularly in things like labourers, despite the particularly in things like labourers, despite the Canterbury labourers, despite the Canterbury rebuild labourers, despite the Canterbury skills labourers, despite the Canterbury rebuild and the labourers, despite the Canterbury rebuild and the very labourers, despite the Canterbury rebuild and the very strong labourers, despite the Canterbury rebuild and the very strong growth rebuild and the very strong growth in rebuild and the very strong growth in demand rebuild and the very strong growth in demand for rebuild and the very strong growth in demand for construction rebuild and the very strong growth in demand for construction workers in demand for construction workers in in demand for construction workers in Auckland, in demand for construction workers in Auckland, the in demand for construction workers in Auckland, the number in demand for construction workers in Auckland, the number of in demand for construction workers in Auckland, the number of visas in Auckland, the number of visas overall, in Auckland, the number of visas overall, essential in Auckland, the number of visas overall, essential skills in Auckland, the number of visas overall, essential skills visas in Auckland, the number of visas overall, essential skills visas and overall, essential skills visas and Labour overall, essential skills visas and Labour visas overall, essential skills visas and Labour visas has overall, essential skills visas and Labour visas has again overall, essential skills visas and Labour visas has again down Labour visas has again down materially. Labour visas has again down materially. Supplementary Labour visas has again down materially. Supplementary question materially. Supplementary question Iain materially. Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. materially. Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. Why materially. Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. Why is materially. Supplementary question Iain Lees-Galloway. Why is his Iain Lees-Galloway. Why is his government Iain Lees-Galloway. Why is his government continuing Iain Lees-Galloway. Why is his government continuing with Iain Lees-Galloway. Why is his government continuing with high government continuing with high levels government continuing with high levels of government continuing with high levels of migration government continuing with high levels of migration in government continuing with high levels of migration in issuing levels of migration in issuing millions levels of migration in issuing millions of levels of migration in issuing millions of work levels of migration in issuing millions of work visas levels of migration in issuing millions of work visas when levels of migration in issuing millions of work visas when the millions of work visas when the evidence millions of work visas when the evidence from millions of work visas when the evidence from MB millions of work visas when the evidence from MB and millions of work visas when the evidence from MB and The millions of work visas when the evidence from MB and The Treasury evidence from MB and The Treasury provided evidence from MB and The Treasury provided to evidence from MB and The Treasury provided to him evidence from MB and The Treasury provided to him as evidence from MB and The Treasury provided to him as minister provided to him as minister demonstrates provided to him as minister demonstrates that provided to him as minister demonstrates that it provided to him as minister demonstrates that it is provided to him as minister demonstrates that it is suppressing demonstrates that it is suppressing wages demonstrates that it is suppressing wages in demonstrates that it is suppressing wages in New demonstrates that it is suppressing wages in New Zealand? demonstrates that it is suppressing wages in New Zealand? The demonstrates that it is suppressing wages in New Zealand? The Hon wages in New Zealand? The Hon Michael wages in New Zealand? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. wages in New Zealand? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr wages in New Zealand? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, wages in New Zealand? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, if Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, if that Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, if that were Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, if that were true, Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, if that were true, and Michael Woodhouse. 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We would not be seeing very high growth in the median wane. We would would not be seeing very high growth in the median wane. We would not would not be seeing very high growth in the median wane. We would not be in the median wane. We would not be seeing in the median wane. We would not be seeing unemployment in the median wane. We would not be seeing unemployment dropping seeing unemployment dropping materially seeing unemployment dropping materially and seeing unemployment dropping materially and job seeing unemployment dropping materially and job participation seeing unemployment dropping materially and job participation at materially and job participation at its materially and job participation at its very materially and job participation at its very highest. materially and job participation at its very highest. I materially and job participation at its very highest. I challenge materially and job participation at its very highest. I challenge the its very highest. I challenge the thesis its very highest. I challenge the thesis that its very highest. I challenge the thesis that the its very highest. I challenge the thesis that the economy its very highest. I challenge the thesis that the economy is its very highest. I challenge the thesis that the economy is strong thesis that the economy is strong because thesis that the economy is strong because immigration thesis that the economy is strong because immigration is thesis that the economy is strong because immigration is strong. because immigration is strong. Because because immigration is strong. materially because immigration is strong. Because the economy because immigration is strong. Because the economy is because immigration is strong. Because the economy is agreeing, Because the economy is agreeing, labour Because the economy is agreeing, labour demand Because the economy is agreeing, labour demand is Because the economy is agreeing, labour demand is high Because the economy is agreeing, labour demand is high and Because the economy is agreeing, labour demand is high and for Because the economy is agreeing, labour demand is high and for the labour demand is high and for the foreseeable labour demand is high and for the foreseeable future labour demand is high and for the foreseeable future we labour demand is high and for the foreseeable future we will labour demand is high and for the foreseeable future we will need labour demand is high and for the foreseeable future we will need to foreseeable future we will need to go foreseeable future we will need to go to foreseeable future we will need to go to the foreseeable future we will need to go to the international foreseeable future we will need to go to the international labour go to the international labour market. go to the international labour market. I go to the international labour market. I reject go to the international labour market. I reject the go to the international labour market. I reject the assertion go to the international labour market. I reject the assertion it go to the international labour market. I reject the assertion it is market. I reject the assertion it is suppressing market. I reject the assertion it is suppressing wages. market. I reject the assertion it is suppressing wages. Question market. I reject the assertion it is suppressing wages. Question No. market. I reject the assertion it is suppressing wages. Question No. 10, suppressing wages. Question No. 10, Fiona suppressing wages. Question No. 10, Fiona Simpson. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Local My question is to the Associate Minister of Local Government: Minister of Local Government: What Minister of Local Government: What recent Minister of Local Government: What recent announcements Minister of Local Government: What recent announcements has Minister of Local Government: What recent announcements has she What recent announcements has she made What recent announcements has she made on What recent announcements has she made on reducing What recent announcements has she made on reducing the What recent announcements has she made on reducing the risk What recent announcements has she made on reducing the risk and What recent announcements has she made on reducing the risk and harm made on reducing the risk and harm of made on reducing the risk and harm of dog made on reducing the risk and harm of dog attacks? 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Mr Speaker, in September I announced a plan. Louise Upston. Mr Speaker, in September I announced a plan. It September I announced a plan. It responded September I announced a plan. It responded to September I announced a plan. It responded to the September I announced a plan. It responded to the clear September I announced a plan. 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On 23rd November I announced a second round of announced a second round of initiatives announced a second round of initiatives to announced a second round of initiatives to further announced a second round of initiatives to further protect announced a second round of initiatives to further protect New initiatives to further protect New Zealanders initiatives to further protect New Zealanders from initiatives to further protect New Zealanders from the initiatives to further protect New Zealanders from the risk initiatives to further protect New Zealanders from the risk and initiatives to further protect New Zealanders from the risk and harm initiatives to further protect New Zealanders from the risk and harm of Zealanders from the risk and harm of dog Zealanders from the risk and harm of dog attacks Zealanders from the risk and harm of dog attacks and Zealanders from the risk and harm of dog attacks and to Zealanders from the risk and harm of dog attacks and to ensure Zealanders from the risk and harm of dog attacks and to ensure that Zealanders from the risk and harm of dog attacks and to ensure that dog dog attacks and to ensure that dog owners dog attacks and to ensure that dog owners understand dog attacks and to ensure that dog owners understand their owners understand their responsibilities. owners understand their responsibilities. 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This number of dogs both registered and microchiped. This scheme number of dogs both registered and microchiped. This scheme is number of dogs both registered and microchiped. This scheme is now microchiped. This scheme is now under microchiped. This scheme is now under way, microchiped. This scheme is now under way, Mr microchiped. This scheme is now under way, Mr Speaker, microchiped. This scheme is now under way, Mr Speaker, in microchiped. This scheme is now under way, Mr Speaker, in Rotorua under way, Mr Speaker, in Rotorua and under way, Mr Speaker, in Rotorua and will under way, Mr Speaker, in Rotorua and will be under way, Mr Speaker, in Rotorua and will be rolled under way, Mr Speaker, in Rotorua and will be rolled out under way, Mr Speaker, in Rotorua and will be rolled out nationwide. and will be rolled out nationwide. Supplementary and will be rolled out nationwide. Supplementary question and will be rolled out nationwide. 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The The Hon The Hon Judith The Hon Judith Collins. The Hon Judith Collins. Mr The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, no. The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, no. I The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, no. I would The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, no. I would like The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, no. I would like to The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, no. I would like to take The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, no. I would like to take this The Hon Judith Collins. Mr Speaker, no. I would like to take this tune no. I would like to take this tune to no. I would like to take this tune to trumpet no. I would like to take this tune to trumpet yet no. I would like to take this tune to trumpet yet more no. I would like to take this tune to trumpet yet more excellent no. 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It is important to note that the Ministry of Social note that the Ministry of Social Development note that the Ministry of Social Development did note that the Ministry of Social Development did not note that the Ministry of Social Development did not exist note that the Ministry of Social Development did not exist in note that the Ministry of Social Development did not exist in the Development did not exist in the 1950s Development did not exist in the 1950s and Development did not exist in the 1950s and 60's Development did not exist in the 1950s and 60's when Development did not exist in the 1950s and 60's when most Development did not exist in the 1950s and 60's when most of Development did not exist in the 1950s and 60's when most of this 1950s and 60's when most of this abuse 1950s and 60's when most of this abuse occurred. 1950s and 60's when most of this abuse occurred. The 1950s and 60's when most of this abuse occurred. The recommendations abuse occurred. 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I think the legislation that I have brought to this House and I have brought to this House and will I have brought to this House and will bring I have brought to this House and will bring to I have brought to this House and will bring to this I have brought to this House and will bring to this House I have brought to this House and will bring to this House will I have brought to this House and will bring to this House will show will bring to this House will show that will bring to this House will show that I will bring to this House will show that I am will bring to this House will show that I am determined will bring to this House will show that I am determined that will bring to this House will show that I am determined that the will bring to this House will show that I am determined that the new that I am determined that the new system that I am determined that the new system will that I am determined that the new system will keep that I am determined that the new system will keep children that I am determined that the new system will keep children at that I am determined that the new system will keep children at the system will keep children at the heart system will keep children at the heart of system will keep children at the heart of it system will keep children at the heart of it and system will keep children at the heart of it and that system will keep children at the heart of it and that their system will keep children at the heart of it and that their voice heart of it and that their voice will heart of it and that their voice will be heart of it and that their voice will be heard heart of it and that their voice will be heard and heart of it and that their voice will be heard and it heart of it and that their voice will be heard and it is will be heard and it is disappointing will be heard and it is disappointing that will be heard and it is disappointing that the will be heard and it is disappointing that the Green will be heard and it is disappointing that the Green Party disappointing that the Green Party and disappointing that the Green Party and the disappointing that the Green Party and the Labour disappointing that the Green Party and the Labour Party disappointing that the Green Party and the Labour Party do disappointing that the Green Party and the Labour Party do not disappointing that the Green Party and the Labour Party do not support and the Labour Party do not support having and the Labour Party do not support having chin and the Labour Party do not support having chin the and the Labour Party do not support having chin the right and the Labour Party do not support having chin the right to and the Labour Party do not support having chin the right to have and the Labour Party do not support having chin the right to have a and the Labour Party do not support having chin the right to have a say having chin the right to have a say about having chin the right to have a say about their having chin the right to have a say about their futures having chin the right to have a say about their futures in having chin the right to have a say about their futures in the about their futures in the legislation about their futures in the legislation that about their futures in the legislation that is about their futures in the legislation that is before about their futures in the legislation that is before the about their futures in the legislation that is before the House legislation that is before the House at legislation that is before the House at the legislation that is before the House at the moment. legislation that is before the House at the moment. <APPLAUSE> Order! 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Mr move - order! Order! Point of order! Denis O'Rourke. Mr Speaker, move - order! Order! Point of order! Denis O'Rourke. Mr Speaker, in Denis O'Rourke. Mr Speaker, in relation Denis O'Rourke. Mr Speaker, in relation to Denis O'Rourke. Mr Speaker, in relation to your Denis O'Rourke. Mr Speaker, in relation to your decision Denis O'Rourke. Mr Speaker, in relation to your decision yesterday relation to your decision yesterday to relation to your decision yesterday to decline relation to your decision yesterday to decline an relation to your decision yesterday to decline an urgent relation to your decision yesterday to decline an urgent debate relation to your decision yesterday to decline an urgent debate under to decline an urgent debate under Standing to decline an urgent debate under Standing Order to decline an urgent debate under Standing Order 389, to decline an urgent debate under Standing Order 389, in to decline an urgent debate under Standing Order 389, in relation to decline an urgent debate under Standing Order 389, in relation to Standing Order 389, in relation to your Standing Order 389, in relation to your recent Standing Order 389, in relation to your recent announcement Standing Order 389, in relation to your recent announcement of Standing Order 389, in relation to your recent announcement of a Standing Order 389, in relation to your recent announcement of a new your recent announcement of a new parliamentary your recent announcement of a new parliamentary building, your recent announcement of a new parliamentary building, can your recent announcement of a new parliamentary building, can you parliamentary building, can you confirm parliamentary building, can you confirm for parliamentary building, can you confirm for members parliamentary building, can you confirm for members that parliamentary building, can you confirm for members that you parliamentary building, can you confirm for members that you have confirm for members that you have received confirm for members that you have received full confirm for members that you have received full Cabinet confirm for members that you have received full Cabinet approval confirm for members that you have received full Cabinet approval to received full Cabinet approval to fund received full Cabinet approval to fund it? received full Cabinet approval to fund it? 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If the member wants to come the order of the House at all. If the member wants to come and the order of the House at all. If the member wants to come and see the order of the House at all. If the member wants to come and see me the member wants to come and see me later the member wants to come and see me later on the member wants to come and see me later on that the member wants to come and see me later on that matter the member wants to come and see me later on that matter I the member wants to come and see me later on that matter I am the member wants to come and see me later on that matter I am happy the member wants to come and see me later on that matter I am happy to later on that matter I am happy to discuss later on that matter I am happy to discuss it. later on that matter I am happy to discuss it. I later on that matter I am happy to discuss it. I ruled later on that matter I am happy to discuss it. I ruled on later on that matter I am happy to discuss it. I ruled on the later on that matter I am happy to discuss it. I ruled on the urgent discuss it. I ruled on the urgent debate discuss it. I ruled on the urgent debate yesterday discuss it. I ruled on the urgent debate yesterday and discuss it. I ruled on the urgent debate yesterday and that discuss it. I ruled on the urgent debate yesterday and that matter discuss it. I ruled on the urgent debate yesterday and that matter now debate yesterday and that matter now is debate yesterday and that matter now is closed. debate yesterday and that matter now is closed. Order! debate yesterday and that matter now is closed. Order! Order! debate yesterday and that matter now is closed. Order! Order! I debate yesterday and that matter now is closed. Order! Order! I just debate yesterday and that matter now is closed. Order! Order! I just need is closed. Order! Order! I just need to is closed. Order! Order! I just need to warn is closed. Order! Order! I just need to warn the is closed. Order! Order! I just need to warn the member is closed. Order! Order! I just need to warn the member if is closed. Order! Order! I just need to warn the member if he is closed. Order! Order! I just need to warn the member if he is is closed. Order! Order! I just need to warn the member if he is in is closed. Order! Order! I just need to warn the member if he is in any to warn the member if he is in any way to warn the member if he is in any way attempting to warn the member if he is in any way attempting to to warn the member if he is in any way attempting to go to warn the member if he is in any way attempting to go over to warn the member if he is in any way attempting to go over the way attempting to go over the decision way attempting to go over the decision I way attempting to go over the decision I made way attempting to go over the decision I made yesterday way attempting to go over the decision I made yesterday or way attempting to go over the decision I made yesterday or my decision I made yesterday or my comep decision I made yesterday or my comep to decision I made yesterday or my comep to Mr decision I made yesterday or my comep to Mr O'Rourke, decision I made yesterday or my comep to Mr O'Rourke, I decision I made yesterday or my comep to Mr O'Rourke, I would decision I made yesterday or my comep to Mr O'Rourke, I would take comep to Mr O'Rourke, I would take that comep to Mr O'Rourke, I would take that very comep to Mr O'Rourke, I would take that very seriously. comep to Mr O'Rourke, I would take that very seriously. 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I seek for our edification how for our edification how appropriations for our edification how appropriations is for our edification how appropriations is not for our edification how appropriations is not a for our edification how appropriations is not a matter for our edification how appropriations is not a matter -- appropriations is not a matter -- The appropriations is not a matter -- The member appropriations is not a matter -- The member is appropriations is not a matter -- The member is now appropriations is not a matter -- The member is now trifling appropriations is not a matter -- The member is now trifling with appropriations is not a matter -- The member is now trifling with the The member is now trifling with the Chair The member is now trifling with the Chair and The member is now trifling with the Chair and the The member is now trifling with the Chair and the House. The member is now trifling with the Chair and the House. I The member is now trifling with the Chair and the House. I invite The member is now trifling with the Chair and the House. I invite the Chair and the House. I invite the member, Chair and the House. I invite the member, if Chair and the House. I invite the member, if he Chair and the House. I invite the member, if he needs Chair and the House. I invite the member, if he needs a Chair and the House. I invite the member, if he needs a lesson Chair and the House. I invite the member, if he needs a lesson on Chair and the House. I invite the member, if he needs a lesson on how member, if he needs a lesson on how the member, if he needs a lesson on how the financial member, if he needs a lesson on how the financial procedures member, if he needs a lesson on how the financial procedures of member, if he needs a lesson on how the financial procedures of this the financial procedures of this Parliament the financial procedures of this Parliament work, the financial procedures of this Parliament work, to the financial procedures of this Parliament work, to come the financial procedures of this Parliament work, to come and the financial procedures of this Parliament work, to come and see the financial procedures of this Parliament work, to come and see me Parliament work, to come and see me immediately Parliament work, to come and see me immediately after Parliament work, to come and see me immediately after - Parliament work, to come and see me immediately after - order! immediately after - order! Mr immediately after - order! Mr Ron immediately after - order! Mr Ron Mark immediately after - order! Mr Ron Mark will immediately after - order! Mr Ron Mark will leave immediately after - order! Mr Ron Mark will leave the immediately after - order! Mr Ron Mark will leave the House Mark will leave the House immediately. 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Mr Speaker, the matter of miscellaneous business. Mr Speaker, I the matter of miscellaneous business. Mr Speaker, I move. business. Mr Speaker, I move. Annette business. Mr Speaker, I move. Annette king. business. Mr Speaker, I move. Annette king. A business. Mr Speaker, I move. Annette king. A former business. Mr Speaker, I move. Annette king. A former United business. Mr Speaker, I move. Annette king. A former United States Annette king. A former United States president Annette king. A former United States president once Annette king. A former United States president once said Annette king. A former United States president once said the Annette king. A former United States president once said the moral Annette king. A former United States president once said the moral test president once said the moral test of president once said the moral test of a president once said the moral test of a government president once said the moral test of a government is president once said the moral test of a government is how president once said the moral test of a government is how that of a government is how that government of a government is how that government treats of a government is how that government treats those of a government is how that government treats those in of a government is how that government treats those in the of a government is how that government treats those in the dawn government treats those in the dawn of government treats those in the dawn of their government treats those in the dawn of their life, government treats those in the dawn of their life, the government treats those in the dawn of their life, the children, government treats those in the dawn of their life, the children, those of their life, the children, those who of their life, the children, those who are of their life, the children, those who are in of their life, the children, those who are in the of their life, the children, those who are in the twilight of their life, the children, those who are in the twilight of of their life, the children, those who are in the twilight of their who are in the twilight of their life, who are in the twilight of their life, the who are in the twilight of their life, the elderly, who are in the twilight of their life, the elderly, those who are in the twilight of their life, the elderly, those who who are in the twilight of their life, the elderly, those who are who are in the twilight of their life, the elderly, those who are in life, the elderly, those who are in the life, the elderly, those who are in the shadows life, the elderly, those who are in the shadows of life, the elderly, those who are in the shadows of life, life, the elderly, those who are in the shadows of life, the life, the elderly, those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, life, the elderly, those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the the shadows of life, the sick, the needy the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the disabled. the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the disabled. So, the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the disabled. So, let's needy and the disabled. So, let's put needy and the disabled. So, let's put aside needy and the disabled. So, let's put aside this needy and the disabled. So, let's put aside this government's needy and the disabled. So, let's put aside this government's bluster put aside this government's bluster of put aside this government's bluster of bravado put aside this government's bluster of bravado and put aside this government's bluster of bravado and bull put aside this government's bluster of bravado and bull and put aside this government's bluster of bravado and bull and look put aside this government's bluster of bravado and bull and look at put aside this government's bluster of bravado and bull and look at how of bravado and bull and look at how this of bravado and bull and look at how this government of bravado and bull and look at how this government is of bravado and bull and look at how this government is treating of bravado and bull and look at how this government is treating those this government is treating those who this government is treating those who are this government is treating those who are in this government is treating those who are in the this government is treating those who are in the dawn, this government is treating those who are in the dawn, the this government is treating those who are in the dawn, the twilight who are in the dawn, the twilight and who are in the dawn, the twilight and the who are in the dawn, the twilight and the shadows who are in the dawn, the twilight and the shadows of who are in the dawn, the twilight and the shadows of their who are in the dawn, the twilight and the shadows of their life. who are in the dawn, the twilight and the shadows of their life. I and the shadows of their life. I want and the shadows of their life. I want to and the shadows of their life. I want to put and the shadows of their life. I want to put to and the shadows of their life. I want to put to this and the shadows of their life. I want to put to this House and the shadows of their life. I want to put to this House that and the shadows of their life. 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