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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for your humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all things, your guidance in all things, and your guidance in all things, and laying your guidance in all things, and laying aside your guidance in all things, and laying aside all your guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we ask and personal interests, we ask that and personal interests, we ask that you and personal interests, we ask that you grant we ask that you grant that we ask that you grant that we we ask that you grant that we may we ask that you grant that we may conduct we ask that you grant that we may conduct the we ask that you grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of your of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy name, to the glory of your holy name, the to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. 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New Zealand has the lowest share of has the lowest share of non-performing has the lowest share of non-performing loans has the lowest share of non-performing loans in has the lowest share of non-performing loans in the has the lowest share of non-performing loans in the OECD has the lowest share of non-performing loans in the OECD at non-performing loans in the OECD at 0.4%. non-performing loans in the OECD at 0.4%. So non-performing loans in the OECD at 0.4%. So only non-performing loans in the OECD at 0.4%. So only 0.4% non-performing loans in the OECD at 0.4%. So only 0.4% of non-performing loans in the OECD at 0.4%. So only 0.4% of loans non-performing loans in the OECD at 0.4%. So only 0.4% of loans in non-performing loans in the OECD at 0.4%. So only 0.4% of loans in a 0.4%. So only 0.4% of loans in a state 0.4%. So only 0.4% of loans in a state where 0.4%. So only 0.4% of loans in a state where the 0.4%. So only 0.4% of loans in a state where the borrower 0.4%. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: Does Finance: Does he Finance: Does he support Finance: Does he support the Finance: Does he support the Reserve Does he support the Reserve Bank Does he support the Reserve Bank introducing Does he support the Reserve Bank introducing debt-to-income Bank introducing debt-to-income ratio Bank introducing debt-to-income ratio restrictions Bank introducing debt-to-income ratio restrictions for Bank introducing debt-to-income ratio restrictions for mortgage ratio restrictions for mortgage lending; ratio restrictions for mortgage lending; if ratio restrictions for mortgage lending; if so, ratio restrictions for mortgage lending; if so, why? 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How has he allowed the housing How has he allowed the housing market How has he allowed the housing market to How has he allowed the housing market to deteriorate How has he allowed the housing market to deteriorate to How has he allowed the housing market to deteriorate to the How has he allowed the housing market to deteriorate to the point market to deteriorate to the point where market to deteriorate to the point where a market to deteriorate to the point where a third market to deteriorate to the point where a third of market to deteriorate to the point where a third of new market to deteriorate to the point where a third of new mortgages market to deteriorate to the point where a third of new mortgages are where a third of new mortgages are now where a third of new mortgages are now over where a third of new mortgages are now over six where a third of new mortgages are now over six times where a third of new mortgages are now over six times the where a third of new mortgages are now over six times the family now over six times the family income? now over six times the family income? 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They can see that their job could yield confidence in the economy. They can see that their job could yield pay see that their job could yield pay rises see that their job could yield pay rises consistently see that their job could yield pay rises consistently over see that their job could yield pay rises consistently over time see that their job could yield pay rises consistently over time and rises consistently over time and rises rises consistently over time and they back themselves rises consistently over time and they back themselves to rises consistently over time and they back themselves to be rises consistently over time and they back themselves to be able rises consistently over time and they back themselves to be able to they back themselves to be able to meet they back themselves to be able to meet the they back themselves to be able to meet the mortgage they back themselves to be able to meet the mortgage commitments. they back themselves to be able to meet the mortgage commitments. I meet the mortgage commitments. 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The member refers to these hard-working refers to these hard-working families refers to these hard-working families as refers to these hard-working families as if refers to these hard-working families as if they refers to these hard-working families as if they somehow refers to these hard-working families as if they somehow lack refers to these hard-working families as if they somehow lack the families as if they somehow lack the capacity families as if they somehow lack the capacity to families as if they somehow lack the capacity to understand families as if they somehow lack the capacity to understand what families as if they somehow lack the capacity to understand what they families as if they somehow lack the capacity to understand what they are capacity to understand what they are doing. capacity to understand what they are doing. I capacity to understand what they are doing. I disagree capacity to understand what they are doing. 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Mr the planning system and crackdown on speculators? Mr Speaker, the planning system and crackdown on speculators? Mr Speaker, I the planning system and crackdown on speculators? Mr Speaker, I think the planning system and crackdown on speculators? Mr Speaker, I think the speculators? Mr Speaker, I think the - speculators? Mr Speaker, I think the - as speculators? Mr Speaker, I think the - as the speculators? Mr Speaker, I think the - as the member speculators? Mr Speaker, I think the - as the member knows, speculators? Mr Speaker, I think the - as the member knows, it's speculators? 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The exaggerated house price cycle. The biggest exaggerated house price cycle. The biggest step exaggerated house price cycle. The biggest step forward exaggerated house price cycle. The biggest step forward in exaggerated house price cycle. The biggest step forward in that exaggerated house price cycle. 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This new Auckland Unitary Plan does, and I want to Unitary Plan does, and I want to acknowledge Unitary Plan does, and I want to acknowledge the Unitary Plan does, and I want to acknowledge the member's Unitary Plan does, and I want to acknowledge the member's efforts Unitary Plan does, and I want to acknowledge the member's efforts in acknowledge the member's efforts in helping acknowledge the member's efforts in helping the acknowledge the member's efforts in helping the council acknowledge the member's efforts in helping the council get acknowledge the member's efforts in helping the council get across acknowledge the member's efforts in helping the council get across the helping the council get across the line helping the council get across the line on helping the council get across the line on what's helping the council get across the line on what's a helping the council get across the line on what's a radically helping the council get across the line on what's a radically different line on what's a radically different plan, line on what's a radically different plan, and line on what's a radically different plan, and now line on what's a radically different plan, and now he line on what's a radically different plan, and now he can line on what's a radically different plan, and now he can look line on what's a radically different plan, and now he can look forward line on what's a radically different plan, and now he can look forward to plan, and now he can look forward to increases plan, and now he can look forward to increases in plan, and now he can look forward to increases in the plan, and now he can look forward to increases in the supply plan, and now he can look forward to increases in the supply of plan, and now he can look forward to increases in the supply of housing. increases in the supply of housing. Question increases in the supply of housing. Question No. increases in the supply of housing. Question No. 5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Police: Given Police: Given reports Police: Given reports that Police: Given reports that on Police: Given reports that on 9 Police: Given reports that on 9 August Police: Given reports that on 9 August she Given reports that on 9 August she admitted Given reports that on 9 August she admitted that Given reports that on 9 August she admitted that there Given reports that on 9 August she admitted that there are Given reports that on 9 August she admitted that there are not Given reports that on 9 August she admitted that there are not enough admitted that there are not enough Police admitted that there are not enough Police and admitted that there are not enough Police and that admitted that there are not enough Police and that she admitted that there are not enough Police and that she was admitted that there are not enough Police and that she was in admitted that there are not enough Police and that she was in talks Police and that she was in talks with Police and that she was in talks with the Police and that she was in talks with the Prime Police and that she was in talks with the Prime Minister Police and that she was in talks with the Prime Minister over Police and that she was in talks with the Prime Minister over the with the Prime Minister over the matter, with the Prime Minister over the matter, can with the Prime Minister over the matter, can she with the Prime Minister over the matter, can she advise with the Prime Minister over the matter, can she advise whether with the Prime Minister over the matter, can she advise whether the matter, can she advise whether the talks matter, can she advise whether the talks have matter, can she advise whether the talks have ended matter, can she advise whether the talks have ended or matter, can she advise whether the talks have ended or are matter, can she advise whether the talks have ended or are still talks have ended or are still ongoing? 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Well, duty over the Christmas and New Year period? Well, Mr duty over the Christmas and New Year period? Well, Mr Speaker, duty over the Christmas and New Year period? Well, Mr Speaker, just period? Well, Mr Speaker, just dealing period? Well, Mr Speaker, just dealing first period? Well, Mr Speaker, just dealing first with period? Well, Mr Speaker, just dealing first with Northland period? Well, Mr Speaker, just dealing first with Northland because dealing first with Northland because that's dealing first with Northland because that's one dealing first with Northland because that's one of dealing first with Northland because that's one of the, dealing first with Northland because that's one of the, I dealing first with Northland because that's one of the, I think, dealing first with Northland because that's one of the, I think, four that's one of the, I think, four questions that's one of the, I think, four questions there. that's one of the, I think, four questions there. 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I have been advised in August, CIB Investigators from August, CIB Investigators from Auckland August, CIB Investigators from Auckland was August, CIB Investigators from Auckland was sent August, CIB Investigators from Auckland was sent to August, CIB Investigators from Auckland was sent to the August, CIB Investigators from Auckland was sent to the Northland Auckland was sent to the Northland district Auckland was sent to the Northland district for Auckland was sent to the Northland district for three Auckland was sent to the Northland district for three weeks Auckland was sent to the Northland district for three weeks with Auckland was sent to the Northland district for three weeks with three district for three weeks with three going district for three weeks with three going to district for three weeks with three going to Kaitai. district for three weeks with three going to Kaitai. And district for three weeks with three going to Kaitai. And six district for three weeks with three going to Kaitai. And six extra going to Kaitai. And six extra Investigators going to Kaitai. And six extra Investigators are going to Kaitai. And six extra Investigators are being going to Kaitai. And six extra Investigators are being allocated going to Kaitai. And six extra Investigators are being allocated to Investigators are being allocated to the Investigators are being allocated to Investigators Investigators are being allocated to the district for Investigators are being allocated to the district for the Investigators are being allocated to the district for the next Investigators are being allocated to the district for the next 12 Investigators are being allocated to the district for the next 12 months the district for the next 12 months which the district for the next 12 months which that the district for the next 12 months which that member the district for the next 12 months which that member I the district for the next 12 months which that member I hope the district for the next 12 months which that member I hope will which that member I hope will appreciate. which that member I hope will appreciate. Four which that member I hope will appreciate. Four of which that member I hope will appreciate. 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They'll be based in Kaikoi but still to be filled. They'll be based in Kaikoi but will still to be filled. They'll be based in Kaikoi but will be still to be filled. They'll be based in Kaikoi but will be moved still to be filled. They'll be based in Kaikoi but will be moved around in Kaikoi but will be moved around the in Kaikoi but will be moved around the district in Kaikoi but will be moved around the district as in Kaikoi but will be moved around the district as needed. in Kaikoi but will be moved around the district as needed. The in Kaikoi but will be moved around the district as needed. The team the district as needed. The team have the district as needed. The team have helped the district as needed. The team have helped to the district as needed. The team have helped to clear the district as needed. The team have helped to clear a the district as needed. The team have helped to clear a backlog the district as needed. The team have helped to clear a backlog of have helped to clear a backlog of serious have helped to clear a backlog of serious crime have helped to clear a backlog of serious crime files have helped to clear a backlog of serious crime files and have helped to clear a backlog of serious crime files and provide serious crime files and provide support serious crime files and provide support for serious crime files and provide support for local serious crime files and provide support for local staff. serious crime files and provide support for local staff. With serious crime files and provide support for local staff. With regard support for local staff. With regard to support for local staff. With regard to Northland support for local staff. With regard to Northland at support for local staff. With regard to Northland at different support for local staff. With regard to Northland at different times support for local staff. With regard to Northland at different times and to Northland at different times and periods to Northland at different times and periods over to Northland at different times and periods over the to Northland at different times and periods over the last to Northland at different times and periods over the last 10 to Northland at different times and periods over the last 10 months. to Northland at different times and periods over the last 10 months. In periods over the last 10 months. In addition, periods over the last 10 months. In addition, six periods over the last 10 months. In addition, six public periods over the last 10 months. In addition, six public safety periods over the last 10 months. In addition, six public safety team addition, six public safety team officers addition, six public safety team officers from addition, six public safety team officers from across addition, six public safety team officers from across Auckland addition, six public safety team officers from across Auckland were officers from across Auckland were also officers from across Auckland were also sent officers from across Auckland were also sent to officers from across Auckland were also sent to as officers from across Auckland were also sent to as frontline officers from across Auckland were also sent to as frontline staff officers from across Auckland were also sent to as frontline staff in also sent to as frontline staff in various also sent to as frontline staff in various places. also sent to as frontline staff in various places. Can also sent to as frontline staff in various places. Can the also sent to as frontline staff in various places. Can the Minister various places. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for the My question is to the Minister for the Environment: the Environment: Does the Environment: Does he the Environment: Does he stand the Environment: Does he stand by the Environment: Does he stand by his the Environment: Does he stand by his statement the Environment: Does he stand by his statement that Does he stand by his statement that Okahukura/Lucas Does he stand by his statement that Okahukura/Lucas Creek Does he stand by his statement that Okahukura/Lucas Creek is Does he stand by his statement that Okahukura/Lucas Creek is a Does he stand by his statement that Okahukura/Lucas Creek is a stream Okahukura/Lucas Creek is a stream that Okahukura/Lucas Creek is a stream that "nobody Okahukura/Lucas Creek is a stream that "nobody has Okahukura/Lucas Creek is a stream that "nobody has ever Okahukura/Lucas Creek is a stream that "nobody has ever wanted Okahukura/Lucas Creek is a stream that "nobody has ever wanted or that "nobody has ever wanted or tried that "nobody has ever wanted or tried to that "nobody has ever wanted or tried to swim that "nobody has ever wanted or tried to swim in"? 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On behalf of the Minister for the Environment, Dr the Minister for the Environment, Dr Smith, the Minister for the Environment, Dr Smith, I the Minister for the Environment, Dr Smith, I understand, the Minister for the Environment, Dr Smith, I understand, made the Minister for the Environment, Dr Smith, I understand, made this Smith, I understand, made this remark Smith, I understand, made this remark in Smith, I understand, made this remark in the Smith, I understand, made this remark in the context Smith, I understand, made this remark in the context that Smith, I understand, made this remark in the context that Lucas remark in the context that Lucas Creek remark in the context that Lucas Creek is remark in the context that Lucas Creek is a remark in the context that Lucas Creek is a small remark in the context that Lucas Creek is a small urban remark in the context that Lucas Creek is a small urban creek remark in the context that Lucas Creek is a small urban creek in Creek is a small urban creek in Auckland, Creek is a small urban creek in Auckland, that Creek is a small urban creek in Auckland, that Auckland Creek is a small urban creek in Auckland, that Auckland City Creek is a small urban creek in Auckland, that Auckland City has Creek is a small urban creek in Auckland, that Auckland City has a Auckland, that Auckland City has a huge Auckland, that Auckland City has a huge challenge Auckland, that Auckland City has a huge challenge to Auckland, that Auckland City has a huge challenge to improve Auckland, that Auckland City has a huge challenge to improve its Auckland, that Auckland City has a huge challenge to improve its urban huge challenge to improve its urban waterways, huge challenge to improve its urban waterways, and huge challenge to improve its urban waterways, and the huge challenge to improve its urban waterways, and the council huge challenge to improve its urban waterways, and the council and huge challenge to improve its urban waterways, and the council and the waterways, and the council and the community waterways, and the council and the community is waterways, and the council and the community is already waterways, and the council and the community is already engaged waterways, and the council and the community is already engaged in community is already engaged in cleaning community is already engaged in cleaning up community is already engaged in cleaning up this community is already engaged in cleaning up this creek. community is already engaged in cleaning up this creek. 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How does he explain this extraordinary negative statement to extraordinary negative statement to mana extraordinary negative statement to mana whenua, extraordinary negative statement to mana whenua, the extraordinary negative statement to mana whenua, the friends extraordinary negative statement to mana whenua, the friends of extraordinary negative statement to mana whenua, the friends of Lucas mana whenua, the friends of Lucas Creek, mana whenua, the friends of Lucas Creek, Sustainable mana whenua, the friends of Lucas Creek, Sustainable Parremo, mana whenua, the friends of Lucas Creek, Sustainable Parremo, the Creek, Sustainable Parremo, the Auckland Creek, Sustainable Parremo, the Auckland Council Creek, Sustainable Parremo, the Auckland Council and Creek, Sustainable Parremo, the Auckland Council and upper Creek, Sustainable Parremo, the Auckland Council and upper harbour Auckland Council and upper harbour community Auckland Council and upper harbour community board Auckland Council and upper harbour community board who Auckland Council and upper harbour community board who have Auckland Council and upper harbour community board who have been community board who have been putting community board who have been putting in community board who have been putting in hours community board who have been putting in hours of community board who have been putting in hours of work community board who have been putting in hours of work to community board who have been putting in hours of work to make community board who have been putting in hours of work to make the putting in hours of work to make the creek putting in hours of work to make the creek safe putting in hours of work to make the creek safe for putting in hours of work to make the creek safe for swimming putting in hours of work to make the creek safe for swimming again? putting in hours of work to make the creek safe for swimming again? 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So when the Green MPs kayaked enough or accessible for swimming. So when the Green MPs kayaked four So when the Green MPs kayaked four abreast So when the Green MPs kayaked four abreast and So when the Green MPs kayaked four abreast and had So when the Green MPs kayaked four abreast and had miles So when the Green MPs kayaked four abreast and had miles of So when the Green MPs kayaked four abreast and had miles of water abreast and had miles of water around abreast and had miles of water around them abreast and had miles of water around them last abreast and had miles of water around them last week abreast and had miles of water around them last week on abreast and had miles of water around them last week on the abreast and had miles of water around them last week on the Lucas around them last week on the Lucas Creek, around them last week on the Lucas Creek, why around them last week on the Lucas Creek, why was around them last week on the Lucas Creek, why was it around them last week on the Lucas Creek, why was it not around them last week on the Lucas Creek, why was it not possible around them last week on the Lucas Creek, why was it not possible for Creek, why was it not possible for us Creek, why was it not possible for us to Creek, why was it not possible for us to swim? 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The heightened activity increases the heightened activity increases the uncertainty heightened activity increases the uncertainty about heightened activity increases the uncertainty about the heightened activity increases the uncertainty about the likelihood heightened activity increases the uncertainty about the likelihood and uncertainty about the likelihood and size uncertainty about the likelihood and size of uncertainty about the likelihood and size of future uncertainty about the likelihood and size of future earthquakes. uncertainty about the likelihood and size of future earthquakes. Since size of future earthquakes. Since the size of future earthquakes. Since the 7.5 size of future earthquakes. Since the 7.5 magnitude size of future earthquakes. 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Question Question No. Question No. 9. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Economic My question is to the Minister for Economic Development: Economic Development: How Economic Development: How is Economic Development: How is the Economic Development: How is the Government Economic Development: How is the Government supporting How is the Government supporting economic How is the Government supporting economic development How is the Government supporting economic development in How is the Government supporting economic development in Southland? Order! Order! The Order! The Hon Order! The Hon Steven Order! The Hon Steven Joyce. Order! The Hon Steven Joyce. Mr Order! The Hon Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, Order! The Hon Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, yesterday Order! The Hon Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, yesterday Primary Speaker, yesterday Primary Industries Speaker, yesterday Primary Industries Minister Speaker, yesterday Primary Industries Minister Nathan Speaker, yesterday Primary Industries Minister Nathan Guy Speaker, yesterday Primary Industries Minister Nathan Guy and Speaker, yesterday Primary Industries Minister Nathan Guy and I Industries Minister Nathan Guy and I attended Industries Minister Nathan Guy and I attended a Industries Minister Nathan Guy and I attended a meeting Industries Minister Nathan Guy and I attended a meeting of Industries Minister Nathan Guy and I attended a meeting of more Industries Minister Nathan Guy and I attended a meeting of more than Industries Minister Nathan Guy and I attended a meeting of more than 500 attended a meeting of more than 500 people attended a meeting of more than 500 people in attended a meeting of more than 500 people in Invercargill attended a meeting of more than 500 people in Invercargill for attended a meeting of more than 500 people in Invercargill for the attended a meeting of more than 500 people in Invercargill for the the people in Invercargill for the the plan. people in Invercargill for the the plan. It's people in Invercargill for the the plan. It's supported people in Invercargill for the the plan. It's supported by people in Invercargill for the the plan. It's supported by the plan. It's supported by the Government plan. It's supported by the Government through plan. It's supported by the Government through our plan. It's supported by the Government through our regional Government through our regional growth Government through our regional growth programme Government through our regional growth programme which Government through our regional growth programme which aims Government through our regional growth programme which aims to growth programme which aims to increase growth programme which aims to increase jobs, growth programme which aims to increase jobs, incomes growth programme which aims to increase jobs, incomes and increase jobs, incomes and investment increase jobs, incomes and investment across increase jobs, incomes and investment across regional increase jobs, incomes and investment across regional New investment across regional New Zealand. investment across regional New Zealand. It investment across regional New Zealand. It lays investment across regional New Zealand. It lays out investment across regional New Zealand. It lays out a investment across regional New Zealand. It lays out a clear investment across regional New Zealand. It lays out a clear plan investment across regional New Zealand. It lays out a clear plan to Zealand. It lays out a clear plan to diversify Zealand. It lays out a clear plan to diversify the Zealand. It lays out a clear plan to diversify the Southland Zealand. It lays out a clear plan to diversify the Southland economy, diversify the Southland economy, grow diversify the Southland economy, growth diversify the Southland economy, grow the population diversify the Southland economy, grow the population by diversify the Southland economy, grow the population by 10,000 diversify the Southland economy, grow the population by 10,000 people grow the population by 10,000 people over grow the population by 10,000 people over the grow the population by 10,000 people over the next grow the population by 10,000 people over the next 10 grow the population by 10,000 people over the next 10 years, grow the population by 10,000 people over the next 10 years, and over the next 10 years, and strengthen over the next 10 years, and strengthen local over the next 10 years, and strengthen local businesses. over the next 10 years, and strengthen local businesses. To over the next 10 years, and strengthen local businesses. To help strengthen local businesses. To help achieve strengthen local businesses. To help achieve these strengthen local businesses. To help achieve these goals, strengthen local businesses. To help achieve these goals, the strengthen local businesses. To help achieve these goals, the region strengthen local businesses. To help achieve these goals, the region has achieve these goals, the region has identified achieve these goals, the region has identified opportunities achieve these goals, the region has identified opportunities to achieve these goals, the region has identified opportunities to grow identified opportunities to grow sectors identified opportunities to grow sectors like identified opportunities to grow sectors like tourism identified opportunities to grow sectors like tourism and sectors like tourism and international sectors like tourism and international education sectors like tourism and international education to sectors like tourism and international education to develop international education to develop the international education to develop the aqua international education to develop the aqua culture international education to develop the aqua culture sector international education to develop the aqua culture sector and international education to develop the aqua culture sector and further the aqua culture sector and further improve the aqua culture sector and further improve the the aqua culture sector and further improve the productivity the aqua culture sector and further improve the productivity of the aqua culture sector and further improve the productivity of the improve the productivity of the sheep, improve the productivity of the sheep, beef improve the productivity of the sheep, beef and improve the productivity of the sheep, beef and dairy improve the productivity of the sheep, beef and dairy industries. improve the productivity of the sheep, beef and dairy industries. 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Mr Speaker, agriculture is, of primary sector? Mr Speaker, agriculture is, of course, primary sector? Mr Speaker, agriculture is, of course, a primary sector? Mr Speaker, agriculture is, of course, a crucial agriculture is, of course, a crucial part agriculture is, of course, a crucial part of agriculture is, of course, a crucial part of the agriculture is, of course, a crucial part of the Southland agriculture is, of course, a crucial part of the Southland economy. agriculture is, of course, a crucial part of the Southland economy. It's part of the Southland economy. It's the part of the Southland economy. It's the largest part of the Southland economy. It's the largest contributor part of the Southland economy. It's the largest contributor to part of the Southland economy. It's the largest contributor to the the largest contributor to the region's the largest contributor to the the the largest contributor to the region's Gross Domestic the largest contributor to the region's Gross Domestic Product the largest contributor to the region's Gross Domestic Product but region's Gross Domestic Product but there region's Gross Domestic Product but there are region's Gross Domestic Product but there are opportunities region's Gross Domestic Product but there are opportunities to region's Gross Domestic Product but there are opportunities to grow region's Gross Domestic Product but there are opportunities to grow it there are opportunities to grow it further there are opportunities to grow it further by there are opportunities to grow it further by diversifying there are opportunities to grow it further by diversifying land there are opportunities to grow it further by diversifying land use there are opportunities to grow it further by diversifying land use and further by diversifying land use and finding further by diversifying land use and finding innovative further by diversifying land use and finding innovative and further by diversifying land use and finding innovative and sustainable finding innovative and sustainable ways finding innovative and sustainable ways to finding innovative and sustainable ways to grow finding innovative and sustainable ways to grow productivity. finding innovative and sustainable ways to grow productivity. We're ways to grow productivity. We're supporting ways to grow productivity. We're supporting that ways to grow productivity. We're supporting that work ways to grow productivity. We're supporting that work by ways to grow productivity. We're supporting that work by investing supporting that work by investing $220,000 supporting that work by investing $220,000 to supporting that work by investing $220,000 to develop supporting that work by investing $220,000 to develop the supporting that work by investing $220,000 to develop the skills supporting that work by investing $220,000 to develop the skills and $220,000 to develop the skills and capabilities $220,000 to develop the skills and capabilities of $220,000 to develop the skills and capabilities of farmers, $220,000 to develop the skills and capabilities of farmers, and $220,000 to develop the skills and capabilities of farmers, and promote capabilities of farmers, and promote the capabilities of farmers, and promote the uptake capabilities of farmers, and promote the uptake of capabilities of farmers, and promote the uptake of improved capabilities of farmers, and promote the uptake of improved farming the uptake of improved farming practises. the uptake of improved farming practises. 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And we're investing just under a million investing just under a million dollars investing just under a million dollars to investing just under a million dollars to investigate investing just under a million dollars to investigate the investing just under a million dollars to investigate the potential dollars to investigate the potential for dollars to investigate the potential for substantially dollars to investigate the potential for substantially growing dollars to investigate the potential for substantially growing the dollars to investigate the potential for substantially growing the aqua for substantially growing the aqua culture for substantially growing the aqua culture industry for substantially growing the aqua culture industry in for substantially growing the aqua culture industry in Southland for substantially growing the aqua culture industry in Southland to culture industry in Southland to further culture industry in Southland to culture culture industry in Southland to further diversify the culture industry in Southland to further diversify the local culture industry in Southland to further diversify the local economy. further diversify the local economy. . further diversify the local economy. . What further diversify the local economy. . What other further diversify the local economy. . What other initiatives further diversify the local economy. . What other initiatives are further diversify the local economy. . What other initiatives are in further diversify the local economy. . What other initiatives are in the . What other initiatives are in the plan? . What other initiatives are in the plan? And . What other initiatives are in the plan? And what . What other initiatives are in the plan? And what support . What other initiatives are in the plan? And what support is . What other initiatives are in the plan? And what support is the plan? And what support is the Government plan? And what support is the Government providing? plan? And what support is the Government providing? Mr plan? And what support is the Government providing? Mr Speaker, Government providing? Mr Speaker, along Government providing? Mr Speaker, along with Government providing? Mr Speaker, along with the Government providing? Mr Speaker, along with the release Government providing? Mr Speaker, along with the release of Government providing? Mr Speaker, along with the release of the Government providing? Mr Speaker, along with the release of the plan, along with the release of the plan, associate along with the release of the plan, associate Tourism along with the release of the plan, associate Tourism Minister, along with the release of the plan, associate Tourism Minister, Paula associate Tourism Minister, Paula Bennett associate Tourism Minister, Paula Bennett and associate Tourism Minister, Paula Bennett and I, associate Tourism Minister, Paula Bennett and I, announced associate Tourism Minister, Paula Bennett and I, announced a associate Tourism Minister, Paula Bennett and I, announced a $510,000 Bennett and I, announced a $510,000 package Bennett and I, announced a $510,000 package to Bennett and I, announced a $510,000 package to help Bennett and I, announced a $510,000 package to help strengthen Bennett and I, announced a $510,000 package to help strengthen the package to help strengthen the tourism package to help strengthen the tourism industry package to help strengthen the tourism industry and package to help strengthen the tourism industry and aa package to help strengthen the tourism industry and aa tract package to help strengthen the tourism industry and aa tract more tourism industry and aa tract more visitors tourism industry and aa tract more visitors to tourism industry and aa tract more visitors to more tourism industry and aa tract more visitors to more of tourism industry and aa tract more visitors to more of the tourism industry and aa tract more visitors to more of the attractions visitors to more of the attractions in visitors to more of the attractions in the visitors to more of the attractions in the region. visitors to more of the attractions in the region. Why visitors to more of the attractions in the region. Why Southland in the region. Why Southland visitors in the region. Why Southland visitors spending in the region. Why Southland visitors spending is in the region. Why Southland visitors spending is up in the region. Why Southland visitors spending is up 3.3% in the region. Why Southland visitors spending is up 3.3% of in the region. Why Southland visitors spending is up 3.3% of the visitors spending is up 3.3% of the year visitors spending is up 3.3% of the year to visitors spending is up 3.3% of the year to September, visitors spending is up 3.3% of the year to September, that's visitors spending is up 3.3% of the year to September, that's a visitors spending is up 3.3% of the year to September, that's a lower year to September, that's a lower rate year to September, that's a lower rate of year to September, that's a lower rate of growth year to September, that's a lower rate of growth than year to September, that's a lower rate of growth than other year to September, that's a lower rate of growth than other parts year to September, that's a lower rate of growth than other parts of rate of growth than other parts of New rate of growth than other parts of New Zealand. rate of growth than other parts of New Zealand. There's rate of growth than other parts of New Zealand. There's huge rate of growth than other parts of New Zealand. There's huge potential New Zealand. There's huge potential to New Zealand. There's huge potential to grow New Zealand. There's huge potential to grow this New Zealand. There's huge potential to grow this further. New Zealand. There's huge potential to grow this further. We're New Zealand. There's huge potential to grow this further. We're also to grow this further. We're also investing to grow this further. We're also investing $440,000 to grow this further. We're also investing $440,000 to to grow this further. We're also investing $440,000 to promote investing $440,000 to promote international investing $440,000 to promote international education investing $440,000 to promote international education and investing $440,000 to promote international education and skilled international education and skilled development international education and skilled development in international education and skilled development in the international education and skilled development in the primary international education and skilled development in the primary sector. development in the primary sector. That development in the primary sector. That will development in the primary sector. That will assist development in the primary sector. That will assist with development in the primary sector. That will assist with the development in the primary sector. That will assist with the region's That will assist with the region's goal That will assist with the region's goal not That will assist with the region's goal not only That will assist with the region's goal not only bring That will assist with the region's goal not only bring in That will assist with the region's goal not only bring in an That will assist with the region's goal not only bring in an additional goal not only bring in an additional 3,500 goal not only bring in an additional 3,500 international goal not only bring in an additional 3,500 international students goal not only bring in an additional 3,500 international students but goal not only bring in an additional 3,500 international students but to 3,500 international students but to increase 3,500 international students but to increase a 3,500 international students but to increase a number 3,500 international students but to increase a number of 3,500 international students but to increase a number of students 3,500 international students but to increase a number of students in increase a number of students in their increase a number of students in their families increase a number of students in their families that increase a number of students in their families that settle increase a number of students in their families that settle and their families that settle and remain their families that settle and remain in their families that settle and remain in Southland their families that settle and remain in Southland as their families that settle and remain in Southland as the their families that settle and remain in Southland as the region remain in Southland as the region grows. remain in Southland as the region grows. Question remain in Southland as the region grows. Question No. remain in Southland as the region grows. Question No. 10. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: Police: Does Police: Does she Police: Does she agree Police: Does she agree with Police: Does she agree with the Police: Does she agree with the frontline Does she agree with the frontline police Does she agree with the frontline police officer Does she agree with the frontline police officer who Does she agree with the frontline police officer who recently Does she agree with the frontline police officer who recently said, police officer who recently said, regarding police officer who recently said, regarding Police police officer who recently said, regarding Police resources police officer who recently said, regarding Police resources to police officer who recently said, regarding Police resources to attend regarding Police resources to attend every regarding Police resources to attend every dwelling regarding Police resources to attend every dwelling burglary, regarding Police resources to attend every dwelling burglary, "we're regarding Police resources to attend every dwelling burglary, "we're only every dwelling burglary, "we're only chasing every dwelling burglary, "we're only chasing our every dwelling burglary, "we're only chasing our tails?The every dwelling burglary, "we're only chasing our tails?The only every dwelling burglary, "we're only chasing our tails?The only solution chasing our tails?The only solution is chasing our tails?The only solution is more chasing our tails?The only solution is more staff. chasing our tails?The only solution is more staff. With chasing our tails?The only solution is more staff. With successive is more staff. With successive frozen is more staff. With successive frozen budgets, is more staff. With successive frozen budgets, we're is more staff. With successive frozen budgets, we're at is more staff. With successive frozen budgets, we're at rock frozen budgets, we're at rock bottom"? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, I Mr Speaker, I certainly Mr Speaker, I certainly agree Mr Speaker, I certainly agree with Mr Speaker, I certainly agree with the Mr Speaker, I certainly agree with the officer's Mr Speaker, I certainly agree with the officer's views Mr Speaker, I certainly agree with the officer's views on Mr Speaker, I certainly agree with the officer's views on the Mr Speaker, I certainly agree with the officer's views on the impact the officer's views on the impact that the officer's views on the impact that burglary the officer's views on the impact that burglary has the officer's views on the impact that burglary has on the officer's views on the impact that burglary has on victims the officer's views on the impact that burglary has on victims an the officer's views on the impact that burglary has on victims an for that burglary has on victims an for those that burglary has on victims an for those reasons that burglary has on victims an for those reasons I that burglary has on victims an for those reasons I support that burglary has on victims an for those reasons I support police's those reasons I support police's increased those reasons I support police's increased focus those reasons I support police's increased focus on those reasons I support police's increased focus on burglary. those reasons I support police's increased focus on burglary. I those reasons I support police's increased focus on burglary. I also increased focus on burglary. I also agree increased focus on burglary. I also agree that increased focus on burglary. I also agree that police increased focus on burglary. I also agree that police will increased focus on burglary. I also agree that police will need increased focus on burglary. I also agree that police will need more agree that police will need more resources agree that police will need more resources going agree that police will need more resources going into agree that police will need more resources going into the agree that police will need more resources going into the future. resources going into the future. However, resources going into the future. However, the resources going into the future. However, the officer resources going into the future. However, the officer was resources going into the future. However, the officer was incorrect However, the officer was incorrect to However, the officer was incorrect to say However, the officer was incorrect to say that However, the officer was incorrect to say that the However, the officer was incorrect to say that the police However, the officer was incorrect to say that the police budget However, the officer was incorrect to say that the police budget has to say that the police budget has been to say that the police budget has been frozen. to say that the police budget has been frozen. Police to say that the police budget has been frozen. Police have to say that the police budget has been frozen. Police have received been frozen. Police have received considerable been frozen. Police have received considerable extra been frozen. Police have received considerable extra funding been frozen. Police have received considerable extra funding under considerable extra funding under this considerable extra funding under this Government considerable extra funding under this Government with considerable extra funding under this Government with an considerable extra funding under this Government with an annual this Government with an annual Budget this Government with an annual Budget of this Government with an annual Budget of $1.6 this Government with an annual Budget of $1.6 billion, this Government with an annual Budget of $1.6 billion, up this Government with an annual Budget of $1.6 billion, up from this Government with an annual Budget of $1.6 billion, up from $1.2 Budget of $1.6 billion, up from $1.2 billion Budget of $1.6 billion, up from $1.2 billion when Budget of $1.6 billion, up from $1.2 billion when National Budget of $1.6 billion, up from $1.2 billion when National took Budget of $1.6 billion, up from $1.2 billion when National took office. billion when National took office. This billion when National took office. This year's billion when National took office. This year's budget billion when National took office. This year's budget further This year's budget further demonstrated This year's budget further billion This year's budget further demonstrated the Government's demonstrated the Government's commitment demonstrated the Government's commitment to demonstrated the Government's commitment to preventing demonstrated the Government's commitment to preventing and commitment to preventing and reducing commitment to preventing and reducing crime commitment to preventing and reducing crime with commitment to preventing and reducing crime with police commitment to preventing and reducing crime with police receiving reducing crime with police receiving an reducing crime with police receiving an extra reducing crime with police receiving an extra 299.2 reducing crime with police receiving an extra 299.2 million reducing crime with police receiving an extra 299.2 million dollars. an extra 299.2 million dollars. Hardly an extra 299.2 million dollars. an an extra 299.2 million dollars. Hardly a frozen an extra 299.2 million dollars. Hardly a frozen budget. an extra 299.2 million dollars. Hardly a frozen budget. When an extra 299.2 million dollars. Hardly a frozen budget. When she Hardly a frozen budget. When she said Hardly a frozen budget. When she said in Hardly a frozen budget. When she said in response Hardly a frozen budget. When she said in response to Hardly a frozen budget. When she said in response to question Hardly a frozen budget. When she said in response to question five Hardly a frozen budget. When she said in response to question five if said in response to question five if she said in response to question five if she had said in response to question five if she had her said in response to question five if she had her way, said in response to question five if she had her way, all said in response to question five if she had her way, all the said in response to question five if she had her way, all the police she had her way, all the police would she had her way, all the police would be she had her way, all the police would be moved she had her way, all the police would be moved to she had her way, all the police would be moved to her she had her way, all the police would be moved to her electorate, she had her way, all the police would be moved to her electorate, is would be moved to her electorate, is that would be moved to her electorate, is that because would be moved to her electorate, is that because in would be moved to her electorate, is that because in her would be moved to her electorate, is that because in her police would be moved to her electorate, is that because in her police district that because in her police district over that because in her police district over the that because in her police district over the last that because in her police district over the last 12 that because in her police district over the last 12 months, that because in her police district over the last 12 months, crime over the last 12 months, crime increased over the last 12 months, crime increased by over the last 12 months, crime increased by 7% over the last 12 months, crime increased by 7% or over the last 12 months, crime increased by 7% or over over the last 12 months, crime increased by 7% or over 50 over the last 12 months, crime increased by 7% or over 50 crimes increased by 7% or over 50 crimes per increased by 7% or over 50 crimes per week? increased by 7% or over 50 crimes per week? <INTERRUPTION> per week? <INTERRUPTION> Well, per week? <INTERRUPTION> Well, really, per week? <INTERRUPTION> Well, really, Mr per week? <INTERRUPTION> Well, really, Mr Speaker, per week? <INTERRUPTION> Well, really, Mr Speaker, I per week? <INTERRUPTION> Well, really, Mr Speaker, I think Well, really, Mr Speaker, I think that Well, really, Mr Speaker, I think that the Well, really, Mr Speaker, I think that the member Well, really, Mr Speaker, I think that the member needs Well, really, Mr Speaker, I think that the member needs to Well, really, Mr Speaker, I think that the member needs to listen Well, really, Mr Speaker, I think that the member needs to listen a that the member needs to listen a little that the member needs to listen a little bit that the member needs to listen a little bit more that the member needs to listen a little bit more closely. that the member needs to listen a little bit more closely. I that the member needs to listen a little bit more closely. I did, little bit more closely. I did, however, little bit more closely. I did, however, point little bit more closely. I did, however, point out little bit more closely. I did, however, point out that little bit more closely. I did, however, point out that there's little bit more closely. 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Well, make a better Police Minister than she would! <INTERRUPTION> than she would! <INTERRUPTION> Order! than she would! <INTERRUPTION> Order! The than she would! <INTERRUPTION> Order! The member than she would! <INTERRUPTION> Order! The member was than she would! <INTERRUPTION> Order! The member was - than she would! <INTERRUPTION> Order! The member was - the than she would! <INTERRUPTION> Order! The member was - the member Order! The member was - the member was Order! The member was - the member was responding Order! The member was - the member was responding to Order! The member was - the member was responding to an Order! The member was - the member was responding to an interjection. was responding to an interjection. Will was responding to an interjection. Will now was responding to an interjection. Will now proceed was responding to an interjection. Will now proceed with was responding to an interjection. Will now proceed with the Will now proceed with the supplementary Will now proceed with the Will supplementary question. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! How <INTERRUPTION> Order! How does <INTERRUPTION> Order! How does she <INTERRUPTION> Order! How does she explain <INTERRUPTION> Order! How does she explain to <INTERRUPTION> Order! How does she explain to the Order! How does she explain to the people Order! How does she explain to the people of Order! How does she explain to the people of New Order! How does she explain to the people of New Zealand Order! How does she explain to the people of New Zealand an Order! How does she explain to the people of New Zealand an increase Order! How does she explain to the people of New Zealand an increase of people of New Zealand an increase of over people of New Zealand an increase of over 13,000 people of New Zealand an increase of over 13,000 crimes people of New Zealand an increase of over 13,000 crimes over people of New Zealand an increase of over 13,000 crimes over the people of New Zealand an increase of over 13,000 crimes over the past people of New Zealand an increase of over 13,000 crimes over the past 12 over 13,000 crimes over the past 12 months, over 13,000 crimes over the past 12 months, that's over 13,000 crimes over the past 12 months, that's 250 over 13,000 crimes over the past 12 months, that's 250 crimes over 13,000 crimes over the past 12 months, that's 250 crimes extra over 13,000 crimes over the past 12 months, that's 250 crimes extra per months, that's 250 crimes extra per week, months, that's 250 crimes extra per week, compared months, that's 250 crimes extra per week, compared to months, that's 250 crimes extra per week, compared to the months, that's 250 crimes extra per week, compared to the 12 months, that's 250 crimes extra per week, compared to the 12 months week, compared to the 12 months previous, week, compared to the 12 months previous, and week, compared to the 12 months previous, and yet week, compared to the 12 months previous, and yet she week, compared to the 12 months previous, and yet she still week, compared to the 12 months previous, and yet she still has week, compared to the 12 months previous, and yet she still has done previous, and yet she still has done nothing previous, and yet she still has done nothing to previous, and yet she still has done nothing to increase previous, and yet she still has done nothing to increase police previous, and yet she still has done nothing to increase police numbers? nothing to increase police numbers? Mr nothing to increase police numbers? Mr Speaker, nothing to increase police numbers? Mr Speaker, of nothing to increase police numbers? Mr Speaker, of course, nothing to increase police numbers? Mr Speaker, of course, if nothing to increase police numbers? Mr Speaker, of course, if I nothing to increase police numbers? Mr Speaker, of course, if I want nothing to increase police numbers? Mr Speaker, of course, if I want to Mr Speaker, of course, if I want to explain Mr Speaker, of course, if I want to explain those Mr Speaker, of course, if I want to explain those numbers, Mr Speaker, of course, if I want to explain those numbers, the Mr Speaker, of course, if I want to explain those numbers, the 70% Mr Speaker, of course, if I want to explain those numbers, the 70% of explain those numbers, the 70% of them explain those numbers, the 70% of them are explain those numbers, the 70% of them are an explain those numbers, the 70% of them are an increase explain those numbers, the 70% of them are an increase in explain those numbers, the 70% of them are an increase in burglaries them are an increase in burglaries and them are an increase in burglaries and that's them are an increase in burglaries and that's why them are an increase in burglaries and that's why police them are an increase in burglaries and that's why police are them are an increase in burglaries and that's why police are focused them are an increase in burglaries and that's why police are focused on and that's why police are focused on burglaries. and that's why police are focused on burglaries. Well, and that's why police are focused on burglaries. Well, in and that's why police are focused on burglaries. Well, in light and that's why police are focused on burglaries. Well, in light of and that's why police are focused on burglaries. Well, in light of that, burglaries. Well, in light of that, has burglaries. Well, in light of that, has she burglaries. Well, in light of that, has she received burglaries. Well, in light of that, has she received any burglaries. Well, in light of that, has she received any reports burglaries. Well, in light of that, has she received any reports of has she received any reports of police has she received any reports of police from has she received any reports of police from organised has she received any reports of police from organised crime has she received any reports of police from organised crime units police from organised crime units being police from organised crime units being moved police from organised crime units being moved either police from organised crime units being moved either temporarily police from organised crime units being moved either temporarily or being moved either temporarily or permanently being moved either temporarily or permanently to being moved either temporarily or permanently to solve being moved either temporarily or permanently to solve burglaries? being moved either temporarily or permanently to solve burglaries? And permanently to solve burglaries? And if permanently to solve burglaries? And if so, permanently to solve burglaries? And if so, what permanently to solve burglaries? And if so, what are permanently to solve burglaries? And if so, what are the permanently to solve burglaries? And if so, what are the nature permanently to solve burglaries? And if so, what are the nature of permanently to solve burglaries? And if so, what are the nature of these if so, what are the nature of these reports? if so, what are the nature of these reports? Mr if so, what are the nature of these reports? Mr Speaker, if so, what are the nature of these reports? Mr Speaker, I if so, what are the nature of these reports? Mr Speaker, I understand reports? Mr Speaker, I understand that reports? Mr Speaker, I understand that there reports? Mr Speaker, I understand that there is reports? Mr Speaker, I understand that there is an reports? Mr Speaker, I understand that there is an anonymous reports? Mr Speaker, I understand that there is an anonymous letter reports? Mr Speaker, I understand that there is an anonymous letter to that there is an anonymous letter to a that there is an anonymous letter to a trade that there is an anonymous letter to a trade union that there is an anonymous letter to a trade union organisation that there is an anonymous letter to a trade union organisation paper a trade union organisation paper saying a trade union organisation paper saying that, a trade union organisation paper saying that, but a trade union organisation paper saying that, but I a trade union organisation paper saying that, but I haven't a trade union organisation paper saying that, but I haven't got a trade union organisation paper saying that, but I haven't got any saying that, but I haven't got any evidence saying that, but I haven't got any evidence of saying that, but I haven't got any evidence of it saying that, but I haven't got any evidence of it other saying that, but I haven't got any evidence of it other than saying that, but I haven't got any evidence of it other than that. evidence of it other than that. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, Order! Supplementary question, Stuart Order! Supplementary question, Stuart Nash. Order! Supplementary question, Stuart Nash. When Order! Supplementary question, Stuart Nash. When she Order! Supplementary question, Stuart Nash. When she said Order! Supplementary question, Stuart Nash. When she said yesterday Stuart Nash. When she said yesterday that, Stuart Nash. When she said yesterday that, "That Stuart Nash. When she said yesterday that, "That member Stuart Nash. When she said yesterday that, "That member knows Stuart Nash. When she said yesterday that, "That member knows that Stuart Nash. When she said yesterday that, "That member knows that the Stuart Nash. 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Well, before the Minister finally stops talking and starts acting? Well, Mr talking and starts acting? Well, Mr Speaker, talking and starts acting? Well, Mr Speaker, leaving talking and starts acting? Well, Mr Speaker, leaving aside talking and starts acting? Well, Mr Speaker, leaving aside the talking and starts acting? Well, Mr Speaker, leaving aside the very Speaker, leaving aside the very unfair Speaker, leaving aside the very unfair naivt Speaker, leaving aside the very unfair naivt of Speaker, leaving aside the very unfair naivt of that Speaker, leaving aside the very unfair naivt of that question, Speaker, leaving aside the very unfair naivt of that question, I Speaker, leaving aside the very unfair naivt of that question, I can unfair naivt of that question, I can say unfair naivt of that question, I can say that unfair naivt of that question, I can say that this unfair naivt of that question, I can say that this Minister unfair naivt of that question, I can say that this Minister is unfair naivt of that question, I can say that this Minister is acting unfair naivt of that question, I can say that this Minister is acting all say that this Minister is acting all the say that this Minister is acting all the time say that this Minister is acting all the time when say that this Minister is acting all the time when it say that this Minister is acting all the time when it comes say that this Minister is acting all the time when it comes to say that this Minister is acting all the time when it comes to numbers the time when it comes to numbers because the time when it comes to numbers because we the time when it comes to numbers because we are the time when it comes to numbers because we are working the time when it comes to numbers because we are working on the time when it comes to numbers because we are working on this the time when it comes to numbers because we are working on this and because we are working on this and have because we are working on this and have been because we are working on this and have been for because we are working on this and have been for some because we are working on this and have been for some time. because we are working on this and have been for some time. And because we are working on this and have been for some time. And if because we are working on this and have been for some time. And if only have been for some time. And if only he have been for some time. And if only he would have been for some time. And if only he would do have been for some time. And if only he would do the have been for some time. And if only he would do the groundwork have been for some time. And if only he would do the groundwork like have been for some time. And if only he would do the groundwork like New he would do the groundwork like New Zealand he would do the groundwork like New Zealand First he would do the groundwork like New Zealand First does he would do the groundwork like New Zealand First does and he would do the groundwork like New Zealand First does and do he would do the groundwork like New Zealand First does and do the he would do the groundwork like New Zealand First does and do the odd Zealand First does and do the odd OIA, Zealand First does and do the odd OIA, he Zealand First does and do the odd OIA, he will Zealand First does and do the odd OIA, he will find Zealand First does and do the odd OIA, he will find out. OIA, he will find out. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Question <INTERRUPTION> Question No. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 11. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Communications: Communications: What Communications: What recent Communications: What recent announcements Communications: What recent announcements has Communications: What recent announcements has she What recent announcements has she made What recent announcements has she made on What recent announcements has she made on the What recent announcements has she made on the Ultrafast What recent announcements has she made on the Ultrafast Broadband made on the Ultrafast Broadband programme? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, on Mr Speaker, on behalf Mr Speaker, on behalf of Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister for Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister for Communications, Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister for Communications, last Minister for Communications, last week Minister for Communications, last week I Minister for Communications, last week I released Minister for Communications, last week I released the Minister for Communications, last week I released the latest Minister for Communications, last week I released the latest quarterly week I released the latest quarterly broadband week I released the latest quarterly broadband update week I released the latest quarterly broadband update which week I released the latest quarterly broadband update which highlights broadband update which highlights that broadband update which highlights that nearly broadband update which highlights that nearly 50,000 broadband update which highlights that nearly 50,000 new broadband update which highlights that nearly 50,000 new connections that nearly 50,000 new connections were that nearly 50,000 new connections were made that nearly 50,000 new connections were made to that nearly 50,000 new connections were made to ultrafast that nearly 50,000 new connections were made to ultrafast broadband that nearly 50,000 new connections were made to ultrafast broadband in were made to ultrafast broadband in the were made to ultrafast broadband in the three were made to ultrafast broadband in the three months were made to ultrafast broadband in the three months to were made to ultrafast broadband in the three months to September. were made to ultrafast broadband in the three months to September. This the three months to September. This mean the three months to September. This mean it the three months to September. This mean it is the three months to September. This mean it is number the three months to September. This mean it is number of the three months to September. This mean it is number of premises mean it is number of premises connected mean it is number of premises connected has mean it is number of premises connected has now mean it is number of premises connected has now surpassed mean it is number of premises connected has now surpassed 300 mean it is number of premises connected has now surpassed 300 ,000 connected has now surpassed 300 ,000 homes connected has now surpassed 300 ,000 homes and connected has now surpassed 300 ,000 homes and businesses connected has now surpassed 300 ,000 homes and businesses nationwide. homes and businesses nationwide. Uptake homes and businesses nationwide. Uptake has homes and businesses nationwide. Uptake has increased homes and businesses nationwide. Uptake has increased to homes and businesses nationwide. Uptake has increased to 28.3% homes and businesses nationwide. Uptake has increased to 28.3% so Uptake has increased to 28.3% so we're Uptake has increased to 28.3% so we're now Uptake has increased to 28.3% so we're now well Uptake has increased to 28.3% so we're now well on Uptake has increased to 28.3% so we're now well on our Uptake has increased to 28.3% so we're now well on our way Uptake has increased to 28.3% so we're now well on our way to Uptake has increased to 28.3% so we're now well on our way to having we're now well on our way to having the we're now well on our way to having the 36% we're now well on our way to having the 36% uptake we're now well on our way to having the 36% uptake we we're now well on our way to having the 36% uptake we expected we're now well on our way to having the 36% uptake we expected to we're now well on our way to having the 36% uptake we expected to have the 36% uptake we expected to have for the 36% uptake we expected to have for 2019 the 36% uptake we expected to have for 2019 where the 36% uptake we expected to have for 2019 where the the 36% uptake we expected to have for 2019 where the build the 36% uptake we expected to have for 2019 where the build is for 2019 where the build is finished. for 2019 where the build is finished. So for 2019 where the build is finished. So people for 2019 where the build is finished. So people are for 2019 where the build is finished. So people are connecting finished. So people are connecting to finished. So people are connecting to fibre finished. So people are connecting to fibre more finished. So people are connecting to fibre more quickly finished. So people are connecting to fibre more quickly and finished. So people are connecting to fibre more quickly and seeing finished. So people are connecting to fibre more quickly and seeing the to fibre more quickly and seeing the benefits to fibre more quickly and seeing the benefits of to fibre more quickly and seeing the benefits of this to fibre more quickly and seeing the benefits of this world-leading benefits of this world-leading connectivity benefits of this world-leading connectivity project. benefits of this world-leading connectivity project. To benefits of this world-leading connectivity project. To the connectivity project. To the Minister: connectivity project. To the Minister: How connectivity project. To the Minister: How has connectivity project. To the Minister: How has the connectivity project. To the Minister: How has the UFB connectivity project. To the Minister: How has the UFB programme Minister: How has the UFB programme tracking Minister: How has the UFB programme tracking against Minister: How has the UFB programme tracking against initial tracking against initial expectations? tracking against initial expectations? Mr tracking against initial expectations? Mr Speaker, tracking against initial expectations? Mr Speaker, on tracking against initial expectations? Mr Speaker, on behalf expectations? Mr Speaker, on behalf of expectations? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the expectations? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister expectations? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of expectations? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of commune expectations? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of commune Cations, of the Minister of commune Cations, the of the Minister of commune Cations, the overall of the Minister of commune Cations, the overall deployment of the Minister of commune Cations, the overall deployment of of the Minister of commune Cations, the overall deployment of UFB of the Minister of commune Cations, the overall deployment of UFB is of the Minister of commune Cations, the overall deployment of UFB is now the overall deployment of UFB is now 5% the overall deployment of UFB is now 5% ahead the overall deployment of UFB is now 5% ahead of the overall deployment of UFB is now 5% ahead of schedule the overall deployment of UFB is now 5% ahead of schedule at the overall deployment of UFB is now 5% ahead of schedule at over the overall deployment of UFB is now 5% ahead of schedule at over 69% 5% ahead of schedule at over 69% complete 5% ahead of schedule at over 69% complete around 5% ahead of schedule at over 69% complete around the 5% ahead of schedule at over 69% complete around the country 5% ahead of schedule at over 69% complete around the country with complete around the country with 13,342 complete around the country with 13,342 new complete around the country with 13,342 new end-users complete around the country with 13,342 new end-users added complete around the country with 13,342 new end-users added to complete around the country with 13,342 new end-users added to the 13,342 new end-users added to the market 13,342 new end-users added to the market this 13,342 new end-users added to the market this quarter. 13,342 new end-users added to the market this quarter. Uptake 13,342 new end-users added to the market this quarter. Uptake is 13,342 new end-users added to the market this quarter. Uptake is also market this quarter. Uptake is also tracking market this quarter. Uptake is also tracking above market this quarter. Uptake is also tracking above expectations, market this quarter. Uptake is also tracking above expectations, and tracking above expectations, and we're tracking above expectations, and we're seeing tracking above expectations, and we're seeing fibre tracking above expectations, and we're seeing fibre transform we're seeing fibre transform communities we're seeing fibre transform communities and we're seeing fibre transform communities and businesses we're seeing fibre transform communities and businesses right communities and businesses right around communities and businesses right around New communities and businesses right around New Zealand. communities and businesses right around New Zealand. Question communities and businesses right around New Zealand. Question No. communities and businesses right around New Zealand. Question No. 12. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: Education: Is Education: Is she Education: Is she satisfied Education: Is she satisfied with Education: Is she satisfied with the Education: Is she satisfied with the level Education: Is she satisfied with the level of Is she satisfied with the level of support Is she satisfied with the level of support and Is she satisfied with the level of support and choice Is she satisfied with the level of support and choice provided Is she satisfied with the level of support and choice provided by Is she satisfied with the level of support and choice provided by her support and choice provided by her ministry support and choice provided by her ministry for support and choice provided by her ministry for students support and choice provided by her ministry for students with support and choice provided by her ministry for students with the ministry for students with the highest ministry for students with the highest level ministry for students with the highest level of ministry for students with the highest level of special ministry for students with the highest level of special needs ministry for students with the highest level of special needs to highest level of special needs to attain highest level of special needs to attain their highest level of special needs to attain their personal highest level of special needs to attain their personal best? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, I'm Mr Speaker, I'm never Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied that Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied that we Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied that we can't Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied that we can't always Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied that we can't always improve. Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied that we can't always improve. That Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied that we can't always improve. That is Mr Speaker, I'm never satisfied that we can't always improve. That is why we can't always improve. That is why last we can't always improve. That is why last week we can't always improve. That is why last week I we can't always improve. That is why last week I announced we can't always improve. That is why last week I announced that we can't always improve. That is why last week I announced that a we can't always improve. That is why last week I announced that a single last week I announced that a single point last week I announced that a single point of last week I announced that a single point of access last week I announced that a single point of access that last week I announced that a single point of access that we last week I announced that a single point of access that we piloted last week I announced that a single point of access that we piloted in point of access that we piloted in the point of access that we piloted in the Bay point of access that we piloted in the Bay of point of access that we piloted in the Bay of Plenty point of access that we piloted in the Bay of Plenty to point of access that we piloted in the Bay of Plenty to schools point of access that we piloted in the Bay of Plenty to schools and the Bay of Plenty to schools and families the Bay of Plenty to schools and families who the Bay of Plenty to schools and families who need the Bay of Plenty to schools and families who need to the Bay of Plenty to schools and families who need to access the Bay of Plenty to schools and families who need to access learning families who need to access learning support families who need to access learning support for families who need to access learning support for their families who need to access learning support for their children. families who need to access learning support for their children. This support for their children. This pilot support for their children. This support support for their children. This pilot is part support for their children. This pilot is part of support for their children. This pilot is part of the support for their children. This pilot is part of the learning pilot is part of the learning support pilot is part of the learning support update pilot is part of the learning support update that pilot is part of the learning support update that I pilot is part of the learning support update that I commissioned support update that I commissioned to support update that I commissioned to ensure support update that I commissioned to ensure that support update that I commissioned to ensure that we support update that I commissioned to ensure that we have support update that I commissioned to ensure that we have world-class to ensure that we have world-class inclusive to ensure that we have world-class inclusive education to ensure that we have world-class inclusive education that to ensure that we have world-class inclusive education that puts inclusive education that puts progress inclusive education that puts support inclusive education that puts progress and success inclusive education that puts progress and success for inclusive education that puts progress and success for all progress and success for all children progress and success for all children and progress and success for all children and young progress and success for all children and young people progress and success for all children and young people at progress and success for all children and young people at the children and young people at the heart children and young people at the heart of children and young people at the heart of teaching children and young people at the heart of teaching and children and young people at the heart of teaching and learning. children and young people at the heart of teaching and learning. The heart of teaching and learning. The update heart of teaching and learning. The update work heart of teaching and learning. The update work which heart of teaching and learning. The update work which has heart of teaching and learning. The update work which has not heart of teaching and learning. The update work which has not completed, update work which has not completed, is update work which has not completed, is focused update work which has not completed, is focused on update work which has not completed, is focused on ensuring update work which has not completed, is focused on ensuring our update work which has not completed, is focused on ensuring our learning is focused on ensuring our learning support is focused on ensuring our learning support system is focused on ensuring our learning support system is is focused on ensuring our learning support system is child-centred, support system is child-centred, simple support system is child-centred, simple to support system is child-centred, simple to access, support system is child-centred, simple to access, available simple to access, available promptly, simple to access, available promptly, early simple to access, available promptly, early and simple to access, available promptly, early and without promptly, early and without interruption promptly, early and without interruption for promptly, early and without interruption for as promptly, early and without interruption for as long promptly, early and without interruption for as long as promptly, early and without interruption for as long as it promptly, early and without interruption for as long as it is interruption for as long as it is required. interruption for as long as it is required. Can interruption for as long as it is required. Can she interruption for as long as it is required. Can she confirm interruption for as long as it is required. Can she confirm that required. Can she confirm that Hallswell required. Can she confirm that Hallswell residential required. Can she confirm that Hallswell residential school required. Can she confirm that Hallswell residential school is required. Can she confirm that Hallswell residential school is one Hallswell residential school is one of Hallswell residential school is one of the Hallswell residential school is one of the eight Hallswell residential school is one of the eight her Hallswell residential school is one of the eight her ministry Hallswell residential school is one of the eight her ministry has Hallswell residential school is one of the eight her ministry has been of the eight her ministry has been working of the eight her ministry has been working with of the eight her ministry has been working with over of the eight her ministry has been working with over seclusion of the eight her ministry has been working with over seclusion rooms? working with over seclusion rooms? Mr working with over seclusion rooms? Mr Speaker, working with over seclusion rooms? Mr Speaker, yes. working with over seclusion rooms? Mr Speaker, yes. Is working with over seclusion rooms? Mr Speaker, yes. Is the working with over seclusion rooms? Mr Speaker, yes. Is the Minister Mr Speaker, yes. Is the Minister aware Mr Speaker, yes. Is the Minister aware that Mr Speaker, yes. Is the Minister aware that Salisbury Mr Speaker, yes. Is the Minister aware that Salisbury residential aware that Salisbury residential school, aware that Salisbury residential school, a aware that Salisbury residential school, a school aware that Salisbury residential school, a school she aware that Salisbury residential school, a school she is aware that Salisbury residential school, a school she is considering school, a school she is considering closing, school, a school she is considering closing, eliminated school, a school she is considering closing, eliminated seclusion, closing, eliminated seclusion, restraint, closing, eliminated seclusion, restraint, isolation closing, eliminated seclusion, restraint, isolation and closing, eliminated seclusion, restraint, isolation and timeout closing, eliminated seclusion, restraint, isolation and timeout in restraint, isolation and timeout in 2011 restraint, isolation and timeout in 2011 and restraint, isolation and timeout in 2011 and is restraint, isolation and timeout in 2011 and is now restraint, isolation and timeout in 2011 and is now a restraint, isolation and timeout in 2011 and is now a model restraint, isolation and timeout in 2011 and is now a model of 2011 and is now a model of best-practice? 2011 and is now a model of best-practice? Mr 2011 and is now a model of best-practice? Mr Speaker, 2011 and is now a model of best-practice? Mr Speaker, I 2011 and is now a model of best-practice? Mr Speaker, I am 2011 and is now a model of best-practice? Mr Speaker, I am well best-practice? Mr Speaker, I am well aware best-practice? Mr Speaker, I am well aware that best-practice? Mr Speaker, I am well aware that the best-practice? Mr Speaker, I am well aware that the Salisbury best-practice? Mr Speaker, I am well aware that the Salisbury has best-practice? Mr Speaker, I am well aware that the Salisbury has done aware that the Salisbury has done that. aware that the Salisbury has done that. I'm aware that the Salisbury has done that. I'm well aware that the Salisbury has done that. I'm well aware aware that the Salisbury has done that. I'm well aware that aware that the Salisbury has done that. I'm well aware that the aware that the Salisbury has done that. I'm well aware that the ratio that. I'm well aware that the ratio of that. I'm well aware that the ratio of staff that. I'm well aware that the ratio of staff to that. I'm well aware that the ratio of staff to students that. I'm well aware that the ratio of staff to students is of staff to students is significantly of staff to students is significantly higher of staff to students is significantly higher than of staff to students is significantly higher than it of staff to students is significantly higher than it is significantly higher than it is anywhere significantly higher than it is anywhere else significantly higher than it is anywhere else in significantly higher than it is anywhere else in the significantly higher than it is anywhere else in the country. significantly higher than it is anywhere else in the country. When anywhere else in the country. When will anywhere else in the country. When will the anywhere else in the country. When will the Minister anywhere else in the country. When will the Minister announce anywhere else in the country. When will the Minister announce her will the Minister announce her decision will the Minister announce her decision on will the Minister announce her decision on Salisbury will the Minister announce her decision on Salisbury school's decision on Salisbury school's future decision on Salisbury school's future when decision on Salisbury school's future when given decision on Salisbury school's future when given originally decision on Salisbury school's future when given originally she future when given originally she said future when given originally she said it future when given originally she said it would future when given originally she said it would be future when given originally she said it would be released future when given originally she said it would be released in future when given originally she said it would be released in October said it would be released in October 2016, said it would be released in October 2016, or said it would be released in October 2016, or is said it would be released in October 2016, or is she said it would be released in October 2016, or is she waiting said it would be released in October 2016, or is she waiting until said it would be released in October 2016, or is she waiting until after 2016, or is she waiting until after the 2016, or is she waiting until after the house 2016, or is she waiting until after the house has 2016, or is she waiting until after the house has risen 2016, or is she waiting until after the house has risen so 2016, or is she waiting until after the house has risen so she 2016, or is she waiting until after the house has risen so she can 2016, or is she waiting until after the house has risen so she can avoid the house has risen so she can avoid answering the house has risen so she can avoid answering questions the house has risen so she can avoid answering questions how the house has risen so she can avoid answering questions how she the house has risen so she can avoid answering questions how she has the house has risen so she can avoid answering questions how she has left answering questions how she has left the answering questions how she has left the staff, answering questions how she has left the staff, parents answering questions how she has left the staff, parents and answering questions how she has left the staff, parents and students answering questions how she has left the staff, parents and students in the staff, parents and students in limbo the staff, parents and students in limbo awaiting the staff, parents and students in limbo awaiting her the staff, parents and students in limbo awaiting her pleasure? the staff, parents and students in limbo awaiting her pleasure? Mr limbo awaiting her pleasure? Mr Speaker, limbo awaiting her pleasure? Mr Speaker, there's limbo awaiting her pleasure? Mr Speaker, there's nothing limbo awaiting her pleasure? Mr Speaker, there's nothing pleasurable Speaker, there's nothing pleasurable about Speaker, there's nothing pleasurable about this. Speaker, there's nothing pleasurable about this. No, Speaker, there's nothing pleasurable about this. No, I Speaker, there's nothing pleasurable about this. No, I don't Speaker, there's nothing pleasurable about this. No, I don't intend Speaker, there's nothing pleasurable about this. No, I don't intend to about this. No, I don't intend to outwait about this. No, I don't intend to outwait the about this. No, I don't intend to outwait the House, about this. No, I don't intend to outwait the House, I'm about this. No, I don't intend to outwait the House, I'm very about this. No, I don't intend to outwait the House, I'm very happy about this. No, I don't intend to outwait the House, I'm very happy to outwait the House, I'm very happy to be outwait the House, I'm very happy to be accountable. outwait the House, I'm very happy to be accountable. And outwait the House, I'm very happy to be accountable. And the outwait the House, I'm very happy to be accountable. And the staff outwait the House, I'm very happy to be accountable. And the staff have be accountable. And the staff have not be accountable. And the staff have not been be accountable. And the staff have not been left be accountable. And the staff have not been left in be accountable. And the staff have not been left in limbo, be accountable. And the staff have not been left in limbo, the be accountable. And the staff have not been left in limbo, the ministry not been left in limbo, the ministry has not been left in limbo, the ministry has consistently not been left in limbo, the ministry has consistently updated not been left in limbo, the ministry has consistently updated them not been left in limbo, the ministry has consistently updated them with has consistently updated them with where has consistently updated them with where we has consistently updated them with where we are, has consistently updated them with where we are, including has consistently updated them with where we are, including answering where we are, including answering further where we are, including answering further questions where we are, including answering further questions that where we are, including answering further questions that Salisbury where we are, including answering further questions that Salisbury has further questions that Salisbury has put further questions that Salisbury has put to further questions that Salisbury has put to us. Supplementary Supplementary question. Supplementary question. Why Supplementary question. Why did Supplementary question. Why did this Supplementary question. Why did this year's Supplementary question. Why did this year's budget Supplementary question. Why did this year's budget allocate Supplementary question. Why did this year's budget allocate $6 Supplementary question. Why did this year's budget allocate $6 million year's budget allocate $6 million less year's budget allocate $6 million less to year's budget allocate $6 million less to the year's budget allocate $6 million less to the ongoing year's budget allocate $6 million less to the ongoing resourcing less to the ongoing resourcing scheme less to the ongoing resourcing scheme which less to the ongoing resourcing scheme which supports less to the ongoing resourcing scheme which supports the less to the ongoing resourcing scheme which supports the most less to the ongoing resourcing scheme which supports the most high scheme which supports the most high needs scheme which supports the most high needs special scheme which supports the most high needs special needs scheme which supports the most high needs special needs students scheme which supports the most high needs special needs students in scheme which supports the most high needs special needs students in our needs special needs students in our schools needs special needs students in our schools than needs special needs students in our schools than her needs special needs students in our schools than her own needs special needs students in our schools than her own budget schools than her own budget indicated schools than her own budget indicated required schools than her own budget indicated required was schools than her own budget indicated required was just schools than her own budget indicated required was just to indicated required was just to maintain indicated required was just to maintain the indicated required was just to maintain the status indicated required was just to maintain the status quo? indicated required was just to maintain the status quo? Mr indicated required was just to maintain the status quo? Mr Speaker, maintain the status quo? Mr Speaker, the maintain the status quo? Mr Speaker, the budget maintain the status quo? Mr Speaker, the budget provided maintain the status quo? Mr Speaker, the budget provided $16.5 maintain the status quo? Mr Speaker, the budget provided $16.5 million maintain the status quo? Mr Speaker, the budget provided $16.5 million to the budget provided $16.5 million to enable the budget provided $16.5 million to enable more the budget provided $16.5 million to enable more students the budget provided $16.5 million to enable more students to the budget provided $16.5 million to enable more students to access the budget provided $16.5 million to enable more students to access the enable more students to access the ongoing enable more students to access the ongoing resourcing enable more students to access the ongoing resourcing scream. enable more students to access the ongoing resourcing scream. Point enable more students to access the ongoing resourcing scream. Point of ongoing resourcing scream. Point of order, ongoing resourcing scream. Point of order, Mr ongoing resourcing scream. Point of order, Mr Speaker? ongoing resourcing scream. Point of order, Mr Speaker? Is ongoing resourcing scream. Point of order, Mr Speaker? Is it ongoing resourcing scream. Point of order, Mr Speaker? Is it that ongoing resourcing scream. Point of order, Mr Speaker? Is it that the order, Mr Speaker? Is it that the question order, Mr Speaker? Is it that the question hasn't order, Mr Speaker? Is it that the question hasn't been... order, Mr Speaker? Is it that the question hasn't been... No, order, Mr Speaker? Is it that the question hasn't been... No, no, question hasn't been... No, no, point question hasn't been... No, no, point of question hasn't been... No, no, point of order. question hasn't been... No, no, point of order. I question hasn't been... No, no, point of order. I seek question hasn't been... No, no, point of order. I seek leave question hasn't been... No, no, point of order. I seek leave to point of order. I seek leave to table point of order. I seek leave to table to point of order. I seek leave to table to minister's point of order. I seek leave to table to minister's budget point of order. I seek leave to table to minister's budget bid point of order. I seek leave to table to minister's budget bid that table to minister's budget bid that said table to minister's budget bid that said $22 table to minister's budget bid that said $22 million table to minister's budget bid that said $22 million was table to minister's budget bid that said $22 million was required. table to minister's budget bid that said $22 million was required. Is said $22 million was required. Is there said $22 million was required. Is there any said $22 million was required. Is there any objection? said $22 million was required. Is there any objection? There said $22 million was required. Is there any objection? There is said $22 million was required. Is there any objection? There is not. there any objection? There is not. It there any objection? There is not. It can there any objection? There is not. It can be there any objection? There is not. It can be tabled. there any objection? There is not. It can be tabled. That there any objection? There is not. It can be tabled. That concludes It can be tabled. That concludes Oral