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Amen. Mr Mr Speaker Mr Speaker The Mr Speaker The Hon Mr Speaker The Hon Gerry Mr Speaker The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Mr Speaker The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when Mr Speaker The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the Mr Speaker The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Mr Speaker, when the house Mr Speaker The Hon Gerry Brownlee. 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Well, because of delays in treatment? Well, once because of delays in treatment? Well, once again, because of delays in treatment? Well, once again, the because of delays in treatment? Well, once again, the Minister Well, once again, the Minister shouldn't Well, once again, the Minister Well, Well, once again, the Minister shouldn't be so Well, once again, the Minister shouldn't be so gloomy. Well, once again, the Minister shouldn't be so gloomy. When Well, once again, the Minister shouldn't be so gloomy. When you're shouldn't be so gloomy. When you're looking shouldn't be so gloomy. When you're looking at shouldn't be so gloomy. When you're looking at eye shouldn't be so gloomy. When you're looking at eye assessments shouldn't be so gloomy. 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The bank noted in particular New Zealand's noted in particular New Zealand's positive noted in particular New Zealand's positive outlook noted in particular New Zealand's positive outlook for noted in particular New Zealand's positive outlook for growth noted in particular New Zealand's positive outlook for growth relative positive outlook for growth relative to positive outlook for growth relative to other positive outlook for growth relative to other advanced positive outlook for growth relative to other advanced economies positive outlook for growth relative to other advanced economies and to other advanced economies and noted to other advanced economies and noted the to other advanced economies and noted the recent to other advanced economies and noted the recent strengthening to other advanced economies and noted the recent strengthening of noted the recent strengthening of growth noted the recent strengthening of growth to noted the recent strengthening of growth to an noted the recent strengthening of growth to an annual noted the recent strengthening of growth to an annual rate noted the recent strengthening of growth to an annual rate of noted the recent strengthening of growth to an annual rate of 3.5% noted the recent strengthening of growth to an annual rate of 3.5% in growth to an annual rate of 3.5% in the growth to an annual rate of 3.5% in the most growth to an annual rate of 3.5% in the most recent growth to an annual rate of 3.5% in the most recent quarter, growth to an annual rate of 3.5% in the most recent quarter, expecting the most recent quarter, expecting that the most recent quarter, expecting that to the most recent quarter, expecting that to continue the most recent quarter, expecting that to continue around the most recent quarter, expecting that to continue around this the most recent quarter, expecting that to continue around this level that to continue around this level for that to continue around this level for the that to continue around this level for the next that to continue around this level for the next two that to continue around this level for the next two years that to continue around this level for the next two years and that to continue around this level for the next two years and strongly for the next two years and strongly continue for the next two years and strongly continue other for the next two years and strongly continue other the for the next two years and strongly continue other the forecast for the next two years and strongly continue other the forecast period for the next two years and strongly continue other the forecast period - continue other the forecast period - around continue other the forecast period - around the continue other the forecast period - around the 3% continue other the forecast period - around the 3% mark. continue other the forecast period - around the 3% mark. 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In addition, the bank highlights strong addition, the bank highlights strong employment addition, the bank highlights strong employment growth addition, the bank highlights strong employment growth in addition, the bank highlights strong employment growth in the addition, the bank highlights strong employment growth in the last addition, the bank highlights strong employment growth in the last year employment growth in the last year as employment growth in the last year as demonstrated employment growth in the last year as demonstrated by employment growth in the last year as demonstrated by the employment growth in the last year as demonstrated by the number employment growth in the last year as demonstrated by the number of as demonstrated by the number of people as demonstrated by the number of people employed as demonstrated by the number of people employed reaching as demonstrated by the number of people employed reaching 2.5 as demonstrated by the number of people employed reaching 2.5 million people employed reaching 2.5 million for people employed reaching 2.5 million for the people employed reaching 2.5 million for the first people employed reaching 2.5 million for the first time, people employed reaching 2.5 million for the first time, and people employed reaching 2.5 million for the first time, and New for the first time, and New Zealand's for the first time, and New Zealand's employment for the first time, and New Zealand's employment rates for the first time, and New Zealand's employment rates and Zealand's employment rates and participation Zealand's employment rates and participation rates Zealand's employment rates and participation rates reaching participation rates reaching all-time participation rates reaching all-time highs participation rates reaching all-time highs of participation rates reaching all-time highs of 66.9% participation rates reaching all-time highs of 66.9% and participation rates reaching all-time highs of 66.9% and 70.5% all-time highs of 66.9% and 70.5% respectively all-time highs of 66.9% and 70.5% respectively in all-time highs of 66.9% and 70.5% respectively in the all-time highs of 66.9% and 70.5% respectively in the last all-time highs of 66.9% and 70.5% respectively in the last quarter. respectively in the last quarter. 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This is further supported by today's further supported by today's statistics further supported by today's statistics building further supported by today's statistics building consents further supported by today's statistics building consents release statistics building consents release which statistics building consents release which shows statistics building consents release which shows the statistics building consents release which shows the total statistics building consents release which shows the total number statistics building consents release which shows the total number of which shows the total number of homes which shows the total number of homes consented which shows the total number of homes consented in which shows the total number of homes consented in the which shows the total number of homes consented in the year which shows the total number of homes consented in the year was which shows the total number of homes consented in the year was just homes consented in the year was just under homes consented in the year was just under 30,000, homes consented in the year was just under 30,000, up homes consented in the year was just under 30,000, up 10% homes consented in the year was just under 30,000, up 10% from homes consented in the year was just under 30,000, up 10% from 2015. homes consented in the year was just under 30,000, up 10% from 2015. 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Well, Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank Well, Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank identifies Well, Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank identifies international Well, Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank identifies international factors Well, Mr Speaker, the Reserve Bank identifies international factors are identifies international factors are the identifies international factors are the key identifies international factors are the key ris identifies international factors are the key ris toque identifies international factors are the key ris toque the identifies international factors are the key ris toque the economy. identifies international factors are the key ris toque the economy. While the key ris toque the economy. While the the key ris toque the economy. While the bank the key ris toque the economy. While the bank notes the key ris toque the economy. While the bank notes an the key ris toque the economy. While the bank notes an improved the key ris toque the economy. While the bank notes an improved global the bank notes an improved global outlook the bank notes an improved global outlook resulting the bank notes an improved global outlook resulting from the bank notes an improved global outlook resulting from a the bank notes an improved global outlook resulting from a more outlook resulting from a more positive outlook resulting from a more positive business outlook resulting from a more positive business an outlook resulting from a more positive business an consumer positive business an consumer sentiment positive business an consumer sentiment in positive business an consumer sentiment in other positive business an consumer sentiment in other developed sentiment in other developed countries sentiment in other developed countries and sentiment in other developed countries and a sentiment in other developed countries and a recovery sentiment in other developed countries and a recovery in countries and a recovery in commodity countries and a recovery in commodity prices, countries and a recovery in commodity prices, rising commodity prices, rising geopolitical commodity prices, rising geopolitical uncertainty commodity prices, rising geopolitical uncertainty may commodity prices, rising geopolitical uncertainty may impact geopolitical uncertainty may impact on geopolitical uncertainty may impact on the geopolitical uncertainty may impact on the outlook geopolitical uncertainty may impact on the outlook in geopolitical uncertainty may impact on the outlook in this geopolitical uncertainty may impact on the outlook in this country. geopolitical uncertainty may impact on the outlook in this country. And on the outlook in this country. And particular, on the outlook in this country. And particular, the on the outlook in this country. And particular, the bank on the outlook in this country. And particular, the bank cites on the outlook in this country. And particular, the bank cites about on the outlook in this country. And particular, the bank cites about the particular, the bank cites about the unstable particular, the bank cites about the unstable US particular, the bank cites about the unstable US area, particular, the bank cites about the unstable US area, and particular, the bank cites about the unstable US area, and the particular, the bank cites about the unstable US area, and the upcoming unstable US area, and the upcoming euro unstable US area, and the upcoming euro elections unstable US area, and the upcoming euro elections and unstable US area, and the upcoming euro elections and Brexit unstable US area, and the upcoming euro elections and Brexit as euro elections and Brexit as potential euro elections and Brexit as potential risks. euro elections and Brexit as potential risks. Question euro elections and Brexit as potential risks. Question No. euro elections and Brexit as potential risks. Question No. 3. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Conservation: Conservation: Does Conservation: Does she Conservation: Does she stand Conservation: Does she stand by Conservation: Does she stand by all Conservation: Does she stand by all her Does she stand by all her statements? Yes, Yes, in Yes, in the Yes, in the context Yes, in the context in Yes, in the context in which Yes, in the context in which they Yes, in the context in which they were Yes, in the context in which they were made. Yes, in the context in which they were made. Fabulous! Yes, in the context in which they were made. Fabulous! Supplementary were made. Fabulous! Supplementary question, were made. Fabulous! Supplementary question, Mr were made. Fabulous! Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. were made. Fabulous! Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Clayton question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Clayton Mitchell. question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Clayton Mitchell. Does question, Mr Speaker. Supplementary question, Clayton Mitchell. Does she question, Clayton Mitchell. Does she stand question, Clayton Mitchell. Does she stand by question, Clayton Mitchell. Does she stand by her question, Clayton Mitchell. Does she stand by her statement question, Clayton Mitchell. Does she stand by her statement that question, Clayton Mitchell. Does she stand by her statement that the question, Clayton Mitchell. Does she stand by her statement that the Dept stand by her statement that the Dept of stand by her statement that the Dept of Conservation stand by her statement that the Dept of Conservation had stand by her statement that the Dept of Conservation had the stand by her statement that the Dept of Conservation had the budget stand by her statement that the Dept of Conservation had the budget it of Conservation had the budget it required of Conservation had the budget it required and of Conservation had the budget it required and denying of Conservation had the budget it required and denying it of Conservation had the budget it required and denying it had of Conservation had the budget it required and denying it had been required and denying it had been increasingly required and denying it had been increasingly underfunded? required and denying it had been increasingly underfunded? If required and denying it had been increasingly underfunded? If so, increasingly underfunded? If so, why? increasingly underfunded? If so, why? In increasingly underfunded? If so, why? In order increasingly underfunded? If so, why? In order to increasingly underfunded? If so, why? In order to inform increasingly underfunded? If so, why? In order to inform the increasingly underfunded? If so, why? In order to inform the member why? In order to inform the member of why? In order to inform the member of the why? In order to inform the member of the facts why? In order to inform the member of the facts of why? In order to inform the member of the facts of the why? In order to inform the member of the facts of the matter, why? In order to inform the member of the facts of the matter, because of the facts of the matter, because that of the facts of the matter, because that member of the facts of the matter, because that member has of the facts of the matter, because that member has been of the facts of the matter, because that member has been responsible of the facts of the matter, because that member has been responsible for that member has been responsible for peddling that member has been responsible for peddling some that member has been responsible for peddling some complete that member has been responsible for peddling some complete nonsense, that member has been responsible for peddling some complete nonsense, the peddling some complete nonsense, the DOC peddling some complete nonsense, the DOC operating peddling some complete nonsense, the DOC operating budget peddling some complete nonsense, the DOC operating budget has peddling some complete nonsense, the DOC operating budget has increased peddling some complete nonsense, the DOC operating budget has increased - DOC operating budget has increased - listen DOC operating budget has increased - listen carefully DOC operating budget has increased - listen carefully yorction DOC operating budget has increased - listen carefully yorction you DOC operating budget has increased - listen carefully yorction you may listen carefully yorction you may learn listen carefully yorction you may learn something listen carefully yorction you may learn something that listen carefully yorction you may learn something that is listen carefully yorction you may learn something that is factual listen carefully yorction you may learn something that is factual and learn something that is factual and will learn something that is factual and will help learn something that is factual and will help you learn something that is factual and will help you - learn something that is factual and will help you - 316 learn something that is factual and will help you - 316 million learn something that is factual and will help you - 316 million in will help you - 316 million in 2008/09 will help you - 316 million in 2008/09 go will help you - 316 million in 2008/09 go on will help you - 316 million in 2008/09 go on to will help you - 316 million in 2008/09 go on to 374 will help you - 316 million in 2008/09 go on to 374 million will help you - 316 million in 2008/09 go on to 374 million in will help you - 316 million in 2008/09 go on to 374 million in this 2008/09 go on to 374 million in this financial 2008/09 go on to 374 million in this financial year. 2008/09 go on to 374 million in this financial year. 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Question No. 4. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Climate My question is to the Minister for Climate Change My question is to the Minister for Climate Change Issues: Climate Change Issues: Does Climate Change Issues: Does she Climate Change Issues: Does she stand Climate Change Issues: Does she stand by Climate Change Issues: Does she stand by her Climate Change Issues: Does she stand by her statement, Does she stand by her statement, "we're Does she stand by her statement, "we're on Does she stand by her statement, "we're on the Does she stand by her statement, "we're on the right Does she stand by her statement, "we're on the right track Does she stand by her statement, "we're on the right track on "we're on the right track on tackling "we're on the right track on tackling climate "we're on the right track on tackling climate change"? 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Does world for future generations." Does she world for future generations." Does she agree world for future generations." Does she agree that world for future generations." Does she agree that the world for future generations." Does she agree that the real world for future generations." Does she agree that the real work world for future generations." Does she agree that the real work of she agree that the real work of reducing she agree that the real work of reducing climate she agree that the real work of reducing climate pollution she agree that the real work of reducing climate pollution can she agree that the real work of reducing climate pollution can only reducing climate pollution can only be reducing climate pollution can only be achieved reducing climate pollution can only be achieved by reducing climate pollution can only be achieved by investing reducing climate pollution can only be achieved by investing in be achieved by investing in infrastructure be achieved by investing in infrastructure that be achieved by investing in infrastructure that doesn't be achieved by investing in infrastructure that doesn't rely be achieved by investing in infrastructure that doesn't rely on infrastructure that doesn't rely on fossil infrastructure that doesn't rely on fossil fuels? infrastructure that doesn't rely on fossil fuels? Well, infrastructure that doesn't rely on fossil fuels? Well, Mr infrastructure that doesn't rely on fossil fuels? Well, Mr Speaker, infrastructure that doesn't rely on fossil fuels? Well, Mr Speaker, I fossil fuels? Well, Mr Speaker, I believe fossil fuels? Well, Mr Speaker, I believe that fossil fuels? Well, Mr Speaker, I believe that it's fossil fuels? Well, Mr Speaker, I believe that it's going fossil fuels? Well, Mr Speaker, I believe that it's going to fossil fuels? Well, Mr Speaker, I believe that it's going to take believe that it's going to take concerted believe that it's going to take concerted effort believe that it's going to take concerted effort across believe that it's going to take concerted effort across everything concerted effort across everything from concerted effort across everything infrastructure concerted effort across everything from how we concerted effort across everything from how we live concerted effort across everything from how we live our concerted effort across everything from how we live our lives, concerted effort across everything from how we live our lives, the from how we live our lives, the products from how we live our lives, the products we from how we live our lives, the products we use, from how we live our lives, the products we use, yes, from how we live our lives, the products we use, yes, infrastructure products we use, yes, infrastructure as products we use, yes, infrastructure as well, products we use, yes, infrastructure as well, electric products we use, yes, infrastructure as well, electric vehicles products we use, yes, infrastructure as well, electric vehicles I'm products we use, yes, infrastructure as well, electric vehicles I'm a products we use, yes, infrastructure as well, electric vehicles I'm a big as well, electric vehicles I'm a big fan as well, electric vehicles I'm a big fan of. as well, electric vehicles I'm a big fan of. I as well, electric vehicles I'm a big fan of. I also as well, electric vehicles I'm a big fan of. I also think as well, electric vehicles I'm a big fan of. I also think that as well, electric vehicles I'm a big fan of. I also think that renewable fan of. I also think that renewable energy fan of. I also think that renewable energy targets fan of. I also think that renewable energy targets are fan of. I also think that renewable energy targets are good. fan of. I also think that renewable energy targets are good. A fan of. I also think that renewable energy targets are good. A whole fan of. I also think that renewable energy targets are good. A whole lot energy targets are good. A whole lot of energy targets are good. A whole lot of work energy targets are good. A whole lot of work across energy targets are good. A whole lot of work across forestry energy targets are good. A whole lot of work across forestry as energy targets are good. A whole lot of work across forestry as well. energy targets are good. A whole lot of work across forestry as well. As energy targets are good. A whole lot of energy targets are good. A whole lot climate energy targets are good. A whole lot climate change minister, did energy targets are good. A whole lot climate change minister, did she climate change minister, did she agree climate change minister, did she agree with climate change minister, did she agree with the climate change minister, did she agree with the decision climate change minister, did she agree with the decision to climate change minister, did she agree with the decision to replace agree with the decision to replace clean agree with the decision to replace clean electric agree with the decision to replace clean electric trains agree with the decision to replace clean electric trains on agree with the decision to replace clean electric trains on the agree with the decision to replace clean electric trains on the North clean electric trains on the North Island clean electric trains on the North Island railline clean electric trains on the North Island railline with clean electric trains on the North Island railline with diesel clean electric trains on the North Island railline with diesel trains? Island railline with diesel trains? It Island railline with diesel trains? It wasn't Island railline with diesel trains? It wasn't a Island railline with diesel trains? It wasn't a decision Island railline with diesel trains? It wasn't a decision for Island railline with diesel trains? It wasn't a decision for for Island railline with diesel trains? It wasn't a decision for for me Island railline with diesel trains? It wasn't a decision for for me to It wasn't a decision for for me to agree It wasn't a decision for for me to agree to It wasn't a decision for for me to agree to or It wasn't a decision for for me to agree to or not, It wasn't a decision for for me to agree to or not, it It wasn't a decision for for me to agree to or not, it was It wasn't a decision for for me to agree to or not, it was an agree to or not, it was an independent agree to or not, it was an independent decision agree to or not, it was an independent decision by agree to or not, it was an independent decision by the independent decision by the directors. independent decision by the directors. Does independent decision by the directors. Does she independent decision by the directors. Does she agree independent decision by the directors. Does she agree that independent decision by the directors. Does she agree that the directors. Does she agree that the independent directors. Does she agree that the independent decision directors. Does she agree that the independent decision made directors. Does she agree that the independent decision made by directors. Does she agree that the independent decision made by the independent decision made by the directors independent decision made by the directors was independent decision made by the directors was influenced independent decision made by the directors was influenced by independent decision made by the directors was influenced by the directors was influenced by the amount directors was influenced by the amount of directors was influenced by the amount of funding directors was influenced by the amount of funding that's directors was influenced by the amount of funding that's available amount of funding that's available to amount of funding that's available amount amount of funding that's available to KiwiRail by amount of funding that's available to KiwiRail by her amount of funding that's available to KiwiRail by her government? amount of funding that's available to KiwiRail by her government? Mr to KiwiRail by her government? Mr Speaker, to KiwiRail by her government? Mr Speaker, no, to KiwiRail by her government? Mr Speaker, no, and, to KiwiRail by her government? Mr Speaker, no, and, in to KiwiRail by her government? Mr Speaker, no, and, in fact, to KiwiRail by her government? Mr Speaker, no, and, in fact, I'm Speaker, no, and, in fact, I'm someone Speaker, no, and, in fact, I'm someone that Speaker, no, and, in fact, I'm someone that has Speaker, no, and, in fact, I'm someone that has sat Speaker, no, and, in fact, I'm someone that has sat over Speaker, no, and, in fact, I'm someone that has sat over the Speaker, no, and, in fact, I'm someone that has sat over the years someone that has sat over the years and someone that has sat over the years and watched someone that has sat over the years and watched literally someone that has sat over the years and watched literally hundreds someone that has sat over the years and watched literally hundreds of and watched literally hundreds of millions and watched literally hundreds of millions of and watched literally hundreds of millions of dollars, and watched literally hundreds of millions of dollars, billions and watched literally hundreds of millions of dollars, billions I'm millions of dollars, billions I'm told, millions of dollars, billions I'm told, go millions of dollars, billions I'm told, go to millions of dollars, billions I'm told, go to KiwiRail, millions of dollars, billions I'm told, go to KiwiRail, so millions of dollars, billions I'm told, go to KiwiRail, so I millions of dollars, billions I'm told, go to KiwiRail, so I don't told, go to KiwiRail, so I don't think told, go to KiwiRail, so I don't think it's told, go to KiwiRail, so I don't think it's a told, go to KiwiRail, so I don't think it's a funding told, go to KiwiRail, so I don't think it's a funding issue. told, go to KiwiRail, so I don't think it's a funding issue. Does told, go to KiwiRail, so I don't think it's a funding issue. Does she think it's a funding issue. Does she agree think it's a funding issue. Does she agree that think it's a funding issue. Does she agree that the think it's a funding issue. Does she agree that the ten-year think it's a funding issue. Does she agree that the ten-year transport agree that the ten-year transport plan agree that the ten-year transport plan setout agree that the ten-year transport plan setout by agree that the ten-year transport plan setout by her agree that the ten-year transport plan setout by her government agree that the ten-year transport plan setout by her government which plan setout by her government which will plan setout by her government which will spend plan setout by her government which will spend over plan setout by her government which will spend over $30 plan setout by her government which will spend over $30 billion plan setout by her government which will spend over $30 billion on will spend over $30 billion on infrastructure will spend over $30 billion on infrastructure should will spend over $30 billion on infrastructure should consider infrastructure should consider overall infrastructure should consider infrastructure infrastructure should consider overall impact on infrastructure should consider overall impact on climate infrastructure should consider overall impact on climate pollution overall impact on climate pollution and overall impact on climate pollution and allow overall impact on climate pollution and allow for overall impact on climate pollution and allow for investment overall impact on climate pollution and allow for investment in overall impact on climate pollution and allow for investment in rail, and allow for investment in rail, not and allow for investment in rail, not just and allow for investment in rail, not just highways? and allow for investment in rail, not just highways? Mr and allow for investment in rail, not just highways? Mr Speaker, and allow for investment in rail, not just highways? Mr Speaker, we not just highways? Mr Speaker, we spend not just highways? Mr Speaker, we spend literally not just highways? Mr Speaker, we spend literally billions not just highways? Mr Speaker, we spend literally billions on not just highways? Mr Speaker, we spend literally billions on rail spend literally billions on rail over spend literally billions on rail over the spend literally billions on rail over the years. spend literally billions on rail over the years. This spend literally billions on rail over the years. This government spend literally billions on rail over the years. This government has over the years. This government has proven over the years. This government has proven it over the years. This government has proven it to over the years. This government has proven it to be over the years. This government has proven it to be a over the years. This government has proven it to be a supporter over the years. This government has proven it to be a supporter of over the years. This government has proven it to be a supporter of rail proven it to be a supporter of rail but proven it to be a supporter of rail but we proven it to be a supporter of rail but we also proven it to be a supporter of rail but we also need proven it to be a supporter of rail but we also need roads proven it to be a supporter of rail but we also need roads that proven it to be a supporter of rail but we also need roads that the proven it to be a supporter of rail but we also need roads that the cars but we also need roads that the cars can but we also need roads that the cars can go but we also need roads that the cars can go on but we also need roads that the cars can go on that but we also need roads that the cars can go on that people but we also need roads that the cars can go on that people can but we also need roads that the cars can go on that people can travel but we also need roads that the cars can go on that people can travel on. can go on that people can travel on. Does can go on that people can travel on. Does she can go on that people can travel on. Does she agree can go on that people can travel on. Does she agree that can go on that people can travel on. Does she agree that completing Does she agree that completing electrification Does she agree that completing electrification of Does she agree that completing electrification of the Does she agree that completing electrification of the rail Does she agree that completing electrification of the rail network electrification of the rail network and electrification of the rail network and buying electrification of the rail network and buying new electrification of the rail network and buying new electric electrification of the rail network and buying new electric trains electrification of the rail network and buying new electric trains will and buying new electric trains will not and buying new electric trains will not only and buying new electric trains will not only help and buying new electric trains will not only help reduce and buying new electric trains will not only help reduce climate not only help reduce climate pollution, not only help reduce climate pollution, but not only help reduce climate pollution, but New not only help reduce climate pollution, but New Zealanders not only help reduce climate pollution, but New Zealanders can pollution, but New Zealanders can reduce pollution, but New Zealanders can reduce freight pollution, but New Zealanders can reduce freight costs pollution, but New Zealanders can reduce freight costs and pollution, but New Zealanders can reduce freight costs and maintenance reduce freight costs and maintenance costs, reduce freight costs and maintenance costs, have reduce freight costs and maintenance costs, have cleaner reduce freight costs and maintenance costs, have cleaner and reduce freight costs and maintenance costs, have cleaner and quieter costs, have cleaner and quieter transport costs, have cleaner and quieter transport through costs, have cleaner and quieter transport through our costs, have cleaner and quieter transport through our towns costs, have cleaner and quieter transport through our towns and costs, have cleaner and quieter transport through our towns and will transport through our towns and will benefit transport through our towns and will benefit the transport through our towns and will benefit the country transport through our towns and will benefit the country for transport through our towns and will benefit the country for generations benefit the country for generations to benefit the country for generations to come, benefit the country for generations to come, if benefit the country for generations to come, if not, benefit the country for generations to come, if not, why benefit the country for generations to come, if not, why not? benefit the country for generations to come, if not, why not? Mr to come, if not, why not? Mr Speaker, to come, if not, why not? Mr Speaker, I to come, if not, why not? Mr Speaker, I believe to come, if not, why not? Mr Speaker, I believe that to come, if not, why not? Mr Speaker, I believe that that to come, if not, why not? Mr Speaker, I believe that that would Speaker, I believe that that would cost Speaker, I believe that that would cost billions Speaker, I believe that that would cost billions and Speaker, I believe that that would cost billions and billions Speaker, I believe that that would cost billions and billions of cost billions and billions of dollars. cost billions and billions of dollars. Ultimately, cost billions and billions of dollars. Ultimately, the cost billions and billions of dollars. Ultimately, the - cost billions and billions of dollars. Ultimately, the - they cost billions and billions of dollars. Ultimately, the - they have dollars. Ultimately, the - they have decided dollars. Ultimately, the - they have decided to dollars. Ultimately, the - they have decided to retain dollars. Ultimately, the - they have decided to retain the dollars. Ultimately, the - they have decided to retain the diesel dollars. Ultimately, the - they have decided to retain the diesel trains decided to retain the diesel trains because decided to retain the diesel trains because it decided to retain the diesel trains because it would decided to retain the diesel trains because it would cost decided to retain the diesel trains because it would cost more decided to retain the diesel trains because it would cost more than decided to retain the diesel trains because it would cost more than $1 because it would cost more than $1 billion because it would cost more than $1 billion and because it would cost more than $1 billion and have because it would cost more than $1 billion and have taken because it would cost more than $1 billion and have taken years because it would cost more than $1 billion and have taken years to billion and have taken years to upgrade billion and have taken years to upgrade the billion and have taken years to upgrade the electric billion and have taken years to upgrade the electric trains. billion and have taken years to upgrade the electric trains. I'm upgrade the electric trains. I'm also upgrade the electric trains. I'm also assured upgrade the electric trains. I'm also assured that upgrade the electric trains. I'm also assured that this upgrade the electric trains. I'm also assured that this will upgrade the electric trains. I'm also assured that this will - upgrade the electric trains. I'm also assured that this will - this also assured that this will - this would also assured that this will - this would have also assured that this will - this would have meant also assured that this will - this would have meant more also assured that this will - this would have meant more trucks also assured that this will - this would have meant more trucks on also assured that this will - this would have meant more trucks on the would have meant more trucks on the road would have meant more trucks on the road in would have meant more trucks on the road in the would have meant more trucks on the road in the interim would have meant more trucks on the road in the interim and would have meant more trucks on the road in the interim and trucks would have meant more trucks on the road in the interim and trucks emit road in the interim and trucks emit 66% road in the interim and trucks emit 66% more road in the interim and trucks emit 66% more to road in the interim and trucks emit 66% more to move road in the interim and trucks emit 66% more to move the road in the interim and trucks emit 66% more to move the same road in the interim and trucks emit 66% more to move the same amount road in the interim and trucks emit 66% more to move the same amount of 66% more to move the same amount of freight 66% more to move the same amount of freight as 66% more to move the same amount of freight as a 66% more to move the same amount of freight as a diesel 66% more to move the same amount of freight as a diesel train. 66% more to move the same amount of freight as a diesel train. Does 66% more to move the same amount of freight as a diesel train. Does she freight as a diesel train. Does she know freight as a diesel train. Does she know that freight as a diesel train. Does she know that her freight as a diesel train. Does she know that her Government freight as a diesel train. Does she know that her Government could freight as a diesel train. Does she know that her Government could fully know that her Government could fully electrify know that her Government could fully electrify the know that her Government could fully electrify the rail know that her Government could fully electrify the rail line know that her Government could fully electrify the rail line between electrify the rail line between Auckland electrify the rail line between Auckland and electrify the rail line between Auckland and Wellington electrify the rail line between Auckland and Wellington allowing Auckland and Wellington allowing electric Auckland and Wellington allowing electrify Auckland and Wellington allowing electric trains to Auckland and Wellington allowing electric trains to go Auckland and Wellington allowing electric trains to go the Auckland and Wellington allowing electric trains to go the full electric trains to go the full distance electric trains to go the full distance for electric trains to go the full distance for less electric trains to go the full distance for less than electric trains to go the full distance for less than the electric trains to go the full distance for less than the cost electric trains to go the full distance for less than the cost of distance for less than the cost of 17km distance for less than the cost of 17km of distance for less than the cost of 17km of holiday distance for less than the cost of 17km of holiday highway distance for less than the cost of 17km of holiday highway that distance for less than the cost of 17km of holiday highway that will distance for less than the cost of 17km of holiday highway that will do 17km of holiday highway that will do nothing 17km of holiday highway that will do nothing to 17km of holiday highway that will do nothing to reduce 17km of holiday highway that will do nothing to reduce climate 17km of holiday highway that will do nothing to reduce climate pollution nothing to reduce climate pollution or nothing to reduce climate pollution or even nothing to reduce climate pollution or even save nothing to reduce climate pollution or even save time nothing to reduce climate pollution or even save time for nothing to reduce climate pollution or even save time for trucks? nothing to reduce climate pollution or even save time for trucks? Mr or even save time for trucks? Mr Speaker, or even save time for trucks? Mr Speaker, Order! or even save time for trucks? Mr Speaker, Order! I or even save time for trucks? Mr Speaker, Order! I very or even save time for trucks? Mr Speaker, Order! I very much or even save time for trucks? Mr Speaker, Order! I very much question Speaker, Order! I very much question the Speaker, Order! I very much question the member's Speaker, Order! I very much question the member's math. Speaker, Order! I very much question the member's math. Given Speaker, Order! I very much question the member's math. Given that the member's math. Given that answer, the member's math. Given that answer, is the member's math. Given that answer, is there the member's math. Given that answer, is there any the member's math. Given that answer, is there any plans the member's math. Given that answer, is there any plans that the member's math. Given that answer, is there any plans that the answer, is there any plans that the government answer, is there any plans that the government will answer, is there any plans that the government will be answer, is there any plans that the government will be announcing answer, is there any plans that the government will be announcing about government will be announcing about reconnecting government will be announcing about reconnecting the government will be announcing about reconnecting the rail government will be announcing about reconnecting the rail line government will be announcing about reconnecting the rail line from reconnecting the rail line from Napier reconnecting the rail line from Napier to reconnecting the rail line from Napier to Gisborne. reconnecting the rail line from Napier to Gisborne. There's reconnecting the rail line from Napier to Gisborne. There's no Napier to Gisborne. There's no ministerial Napier to Gisborne. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Finance: Does Finance: Does he Finance: Does he agree Finance: Does he agree with Finance: Does he agree with his Finance: Does he agree with his predecessor's Does he agree with his predecessor's reported Does he agree with his predecessor's reported statement Does he agree with his predecessor's reported statement that Does he agree with his predecessor's reported statement that "the reported statement that "the Government reported statement that "the Government was reported statement that "the Government was keen reported statement that "the Government was keen to reported statement that "the Government was keen to get Government was keen to get the Government was keen to get the cost Government was keen to get the cost of Government was keen to get the cost of housing Government was keen to get the cost of housing down, Government was keen to get the cost of housing down, so Government was keen to get the cost of housing down, so that the cost of housing down, so that whether the cost of housing down, so that whether people the cost of housing down, so that whether people owned the cost of housing down, so that whether people owned or the cost of housing down, so that whether people owned or rented the cost of housing down, so that whether people owned or rented a whether people owned or rented a house whether people owned or rented a house they whether people owned or rented a house they did whether people owned or rented a house they did not whether people owned or rented a house they did not use whether people owned or rented a house they did not use such whether people owned or rented a house they did not use such a whether people owned or rented a house they did not use such a large house they did not use such a large proportion house they did not use such a large proportion of house they did not use such a large proportion of their house they did not use such a large proportion of their income house they did not use such a large proportion of their income paying proportion of their income paying for proportion of their income paying for it"? . . 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Improving housing costs relative to incomes is a costs relative to incomes is a priority costs relative to incomes is a priority for costs relative to incomes is a priority for the costs relative to incomes is a priority for the Government, costs relative to incomes is a priority for the Government, and costs relative to incomes is a priority for the Government, and - priority for the Government, and - well, priority for the Government, and - well, actually priority for the Government, and - well, actually between, priority for the Government, and - well, actually between, for priority for the Government, and - well, actually between, for the well, actually between, for the member's well, actually between, for the member's benefit, well, actually between, for the member's benefit, was well, actually between, for the member's benefit, was the well, actually between, for the member's benefit, was the highest member's benefit, was the highest ever member's benefit, was the highest ever rate, member's benefit, was the highest ever rate, back member's benefit, was the highest ever rate, back quite member's benefit, was the highest ever rate, back quite some member's benefit, was the highest ever rate, back quite some time, member's benefit, was the highest ever rate, back quite some time, as ever rate, back quite some time, as far ever rate, back quite some time, as far as ever rate, back quite some time, as far as records ever rate, back quite some time, as far as records are ever rate, back quite some time, as far as records are available, ever rate, back quite some time, as far as records are available, and far as records are available, and today far as records are available, and today is far as records are available, and today is around far as records are available, and today is around 38%. far as records are available, and today is around 38%. 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And from last year, and the most for any calendar year since 2004. And we calendar year since 2004. And we expect calendar year since 2004. And we expect that calendar year since 2004. And we expect that to calendar year since 2004. And we expect that to continue calendar year since 2004. And we expect that to continue to calendar year since 2004. And we expect that to continue to increase. expect that to continue to increase. Supplementary. expect that to continue to increase. Supplementary. What expect that to continue to increase. Supplementary. What responsibility Supplementary. What responsibility does Supplementary. What responsibility does he Supplementary. What responsibility does he take Supplementary. What responsibility does he take given Supplementary. What responsibility does he take given his Supplementary. What responsibility does he take given his failure Supplementary. 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Does he think it's people's own decision that the rise people's own decision that the rise if people's own decision that the rise if housing people's own decision that the rise if housing costs people's own decision that the rise if housing costs in people's own decision that the rise if housing costs in 2016 people's own decision that the rise if housing costs in 2016 totally if housing costs in 2016 totally wiped if housing costs in 2016 totally wiped out if housing costs in 2016 totally wiped out any if housing costs in 2016 totally wiped out any income if housing costs in 2016 totally wiped out any income increases if housing costs in 2016 totally wiped out any income increases they wiped out any income increases they had, wiped out any income increases they had, according wiped out any income increases they had, according to wiped out any income increases they had, according to Statistics wiped out any income increases they had, according to Statistics New had, according to Statistics New Zealand's had, according to Statistics New Zealand's household had, according to Statistics New Zealand's household expenditure Zealand's household expenditure survey? 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The Reserve Bank Governor enough houses. Hear, hear. The Reserve Bank Governor not enough houses. Hear, hear. The Reserve Bank Governor not only enough houses. Hear, hear. The Reserve Bank Governor not only made Reserve Bank Governor not only made that Reserve Bank Governor not only made that concern Reserve Bank Governor not only made that concern aware Reserve Bank Governor not only made that concern aware in Reserve Bank Governor not only made that concern aware in the Reserve Bank Governor not only made that concern aware in the select that concern aware in the select committee, that concern aware in the select committee, he that concern aware in the select committee, he also that concern aware in the select committee, he also discussed that concern aware in the select committee, he also discussed that committee, he also discussed that with committee, he also discussed that with me committee, he also discussed that with me as committee, he also discussed that with me as late committee, he also discussed that with me as late as committee, he also discussed that with me as late as yesterday. committee, he also discussed that with me as late as yesterday. He with me as late as yesterday. He also with me as late as yesterday. He also signalled with me as late as yesterday. He also signalled that with me as late as yesterday. He also signalled that he with me as late as yesterday. He also signalled that he was with me as late as yesterday. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: Health: Can Health: Can he Health: Can he confirm Health: Can he confirm the Health: Can he confirm the number Health: Can he confirm the number of Can he confirm the number of patients Can he confirm the number of patients benefiting Can he confirm the number of patients benefiting from Can he confirm the number of patients benefiting from First patients benefiting from First Specialist patients benefiting from First Specialist Assessments patients benefiting from First Specialist Assessments has patients benefiting from First Specialist Assessments has risen Specialist Assessments has risen from Specialist Assessments has risen from 404,511 Specialist Assessments has risen from 404,511 a Specialist Assessments has risen from 404,511 a year Specialist Assessments has risen from 404,511 a year in Specialist Assessments has risen from 404,511 a year in 2008, Specialist Assessments has risen from 404,511 a year in 2008, to from 404,511 a year in 2008, to from from 404,511 a year in 2008, to 552,423 a year from 404,511 a year in 2008, to 552,423 a year in from 404,511 a year in 2008, to 552,423 a year in 2016, from 404,511 a year in 2008, to 552,423 a year in 2016, and from 404,511 a year in 2008, to 552,423 a year in 2016, and that 552,423 a year in 2016, and that this 552,423 a year in 2016, and that this is 552,423 a year in 2016, and that this is an 552,423 a year in 2016, and that this is an increase 552,423 a year in 2016, and that this is an increase of 552,423 a year in 2016, and that this is an increase of 147,912 552,423 a year in 2016, and that this is an increase of 147,912 more this is an increase of 147,912 more patients this is an increase of 147,912 more patients now this is an increase of 147,912 more patients now being this is an increase of 147,912 more patients now being seen? Yes, Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. This Yes, indeed. This new Yes, indeed. This new data Yes, indeed. This new data shows Yes, indeed. This new data shows a Yes, indeed. This new data shows a huge Yes, indeed. This new data shows a huge 36% Yes, indeed. This new data shows a huge 36% increase Yes, indeed. This new data shows a huge 36% increase in Yes, indeed. This new data shows a huge 36% increase in the Yes, indeed. This new data shows a huge 36% increase in the number Yes, indeed. This new data shows a huge 36% increase in the number of huge 36% increase in the number of patients huge 36% increase in the number of patients who huge 36% increase in the number of patients who are huge 36% increase in the number of patients who are now huge 36% increase in the number of patients who are now receiving huge 36% increase in the number of patients who are now receiving a patients who are now receiving a hospital patients who are now receiving a hospital specialist patients who are now receiving a hospital specialist assessment patients who are now receiving a hospital specialist assessment each hospital specialist assessment each year. hospital specialist assessment each year. That's hospital specialist assessment each year. That's due hospital specialist assessment each year. That's due to hospital specialist assessment each year. That's due to the hospital specialist assessment each year. That's due to the hard hospital specialist assessment each year. That's due to the hard work hospital specialist assessment each year. That's due to the hard work of year. That's due to the hard work of health year. That's due to the hard work of health professionals year. That's due to the hard work of health professionals and year. That's due to the hard work of health professionals and the year. That's due to the hard work of health professionals and the extra health professionals and the extra $4. health professionals and the extra $4. 3 health professionals and the extra $4. 3 billion health professionals and the extra $4. 3 billion invested health professionals and the extra $4. 3 billion invested in health professionals and the extra $4. 3 billion invested in the health professionals and the extra $4. 3 billion invested in the health $4. 3 billion invested in the health system $4. 3 billion invested in the health system under $4. 3 billion invested in the health system under National. system under National. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> supplementary <INTERRUPTION> supplementary question. <INTERRUPTION> supplementary question. Can <INTERRUPTION> supplementary question. Can the supplementary question. Can the Minister supplementary question. Can the Minister confirm supplementary question. Can the Minister confirm this supplementary question. Can the Minister confirm this positive Minister confirm this positive increase Minister confirm this positive increase in Minister confirm this positive increase in specialist Minister confirm this positive increase in specialist assessment increase in specialist assessment has increase in specialist assessment has included increase in specialist assessment has included a increase in specialist assessment has included a big increase in specialist assessment has included a big increase increase in specialist assessment has included a big increase in increase in specialist assessment has included a big increase in the has included a big increase in the number has included a big increase in the number of has included a big increase in the number of patients has included a big increase in the number of patients benefiting has included a big increase in the number of patients benefiting from number of patients benefiting from ophthalmology number of patients benefiting from ophthalmology assessments? ophthalmology assessments? <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Once <INTERRUPTION> Once again, <INTERRUPTION> Once again, yes. <INTERRUPTION> Once again, yes. In <INTERRUPTION> Once again, yes. In 2008 <INTERRUPTION> Once again, yes. In 2008 41,000-plus Once again, yes. In 2008 41,000-plus patients Once again, yes. In 2008 41,000-plus patients had Once again, yes. In 2008 41,000-plus patients had their Once again, yes. In 2008 41,000-plus patients had their first Once again, yes. In 2008 41,000-plus patients had their first assessments patients had their first assessments and patients had their first assessments and in patients had their first assessments and in 201657,000 patients had their first assessments and in 201657,000 57004 patients had their first assessments and in 201657,000 57004 patients patients had their first assessments and in 201657,000 57004 patients had and in 201657,000 57004 patients had ophthalmology and in 201657,000 57004 patients had ophthalmology assessments, and in 201657,000 57004 patients had ophthalmology assessments, an ophthalmology assessments, an increase ophthalmology assessments, an increase of ophthalmology assessments, an increase of 15,500 ophthalmology assessments, an increase of 15,500 patients, ophthalmology assessments, an increase of 15,500 patients, or ophthalmology assessments, an increase of 15,500 patients, or 37% increase of 15,500 patients, or 37% more increase of 15,500 patients, or 37% more than increase of 15,500 patients, or 37% more than under increase of 15,500 patients, or 37% more than under the increase of 15,500 patients, or 37% more than under the previous more than under the previous Government. more than under the previous Government. 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Yes, Yes, I Yes, I do. Yes, I do. The Yes, I do. The value Yes, I do. The value of Yes, I do. The value of building Yes, I do. The value of building consents Yes, I do. The value of building consents nationwide Yes, I do. The value of building consents nationwide was Yes, I do. The value of building consents nationwide was 19 consents nationwide was 19 approximately consents nationwide was 19 approximately -- consents nationwide was 19 approximately -- $19 consents nationwide was 19 approximately -- $19 billion consents nationwide was 19 approximately -- $19 billion in approximately -- $19 billion in 2016. approximately -- $19 billion in 2016. The approximately -- $19 billion in 2016. The highest approximately -- $19 billion in 2016. The highest level approximately -- $19 billion in 2016. The highest level ever 2016. The highest level ever recorded, 2016. The highest level ever recorded, and 2016. The highest level ever recorded, and 68% 2016. The highest level ever recorded, and 68% higher 2016. The highest level ever recorded, and 68% higher than 2016. The highest level ever recorded, and 68% higher than in recorded, and 68% higher than in 2008. recorded, and 68% higher than in 2016. 2008. <INTERRUPTION> The 2008. <INTERRUPTION> The number 2008. <INTERRUPTION> The number of 2008. <INTERRUPTION> The number of people 2008. <INTERRUPTION> The number of people employed 2008. <INTERRUPTION> The number of people employed in 2008. <INTERRUPTION> The number of people employed in the The number of people employed in the construction The number of people employed in the construction industry The number of people employed in the construction industry in The number of people employed in the construction industry in this construction industry in this country construction industry in this country also construction industry in this country also is construction industry in this country also is the construction industry in this country also is the highest construction industry in this country also is the highest ever. construction industry in this country also is the highest ever. 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At the end of December last year, the end of December last year, household the end of December last year, household labour the end of December last year, household labour force the end of December last year, household labour force survey household labour force survey recorded household labour force survey recorded 242 household labour force survey recorded 242 ,900 household labour force survey recorded 242 ,900 people household labour force survey recorded 242 ,900 people employed household labour force survey recorded 242 ,900 people employed in recorded 242 ,900 people employed in the recorded 242 ,900 people employed in the construction recorded 242 ,900 people employed in the construction industry. recorded 242 ,900 people employed in the construction industry. It's the construction industry. It's never the construction industry. It's country the construction industry. It's never been higher. the construction industry. 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Has he chosen to let these tens of thousands of low-paid tens of thousands of low-paid working tens of thousands of low-paid working women tens of thousands of low-paid working women continue tens of thousands of low-paid working women continue to tens of thousands of low-paid working women continue to struggle working women continue to struggle to working women continue to struggle working working women continue to struggle to make ends working women continue to struggle to make ends meet working women continue to struggle to make ends meet so working women continue to struggle to make ends meet so he working women continue to struggle to make ends meet so he can working women continue to struggle to make ends meet so he can get working women continue to struggle to make ends meet so he can get an to make ends meet so he can get an election to make ends meet so he can get an election year to make ends meet so he can get an election year announcement? to make ends meet so he can get an election year announcement? No. election year announcement? No. Question election year announcement? No. Question No. election year announcement? No. Question No. 12. 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