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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for your humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all things, your guidance in all things, and your guidance in all things, and laying your guidance in all things, and laying aside your guidance in all things, and laying aside all your guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we ask and personal interests, we ask that and personal interests, we ask that you and personal interests, we ask that you grant we ask that you grant that we ask that you grant that we we ask that you grant that we may we ask that you grant that we may conduct we ask that you grant that we may conduct the we ask that you grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of your of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy name, to the glory of your holy name, the to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. The The acting The acting acting The acting acting Leader The acting acting Leader of The acting acting Leader of the The acting acting Leader of the House. The acting acting Leader of the House. Mr The acting acting Leader of the House. Mr Speaker, The acting acting Leader of the House. Mr Speaker, when The acting acting Leader of the House. Mr Speaker, when the The acting acting Leader of the House. Mr Speaker, when the House House. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes House. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on House. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on Tuesday, House. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on Tuesday, 7 House. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on Tuesday, 7 March, House. Mr Speaker, when the House resumes on Tuesday, 7 March, the resumes on Tuesday, 7 March, the Government resumes on Tuesday, 7 March, the Government will resumes on Tuesday, 7 March, the Government will look resumes on Tuesday, 7 March, the Government will look to resumes on Tuesday, 7 March, the Government will look to complete resumes on Tuesday, 7 March, the Government will look to complete the Government will look to complete the second Government will look to complete the second reading Government will look to complete the second reading of Government will look to complete the second reading of the Government will look to complete the second reading of the New Government will look to complete the second reading of the New Zealand second reading of the New Zealand Intelligence second reading of the New Zealand Intelligence and second reading of the New Zealand Intelligence and Security second reading of the New Zealand Intelligence and Security Bill. second reading of the New Zealand Intelligence and Security Bill. 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That That petition That petition stands That petition stands referred That petition stands referred to That petition stands referred to a That petition stands referred to a select That petition stands referred to a select committee That petition stands referred to a select committee allocated That petition stands referred to a select committee allocated by That petition stands referred to a select committee allocated by the select committee allocated by the Clerk. select committee allocated by the Clerk. Ministers select committee allocated by the Clerk. Ministers have select committee allocated by the Clerk. Ministers have delivered Clerk. Ministers have delivered papers. Nelson/Marlborough Nelson/Marlborough District Nelson/Marlborough District Health Nelson/Marlborough District Health Board, Nelson/Marlborough District Health Board, Annual Nelson/Marlborough District Health Board, Annual Plan Nelson/Marlborough District Health Board, Annual Plan 2016-17. Board, Annual Plan 2016-17. 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Mr Speaker. Ah, the consideration. No bills have been introduced. Mr Speaker. Ah, the Hon introduced. Mr Speaker. Ah, the Hon Amy introduced. Mr Speaker. Ah, the Hon Amy Adams. introduced. Mr Speaker. Ah, the Hon Amy Adams. Mr introduced. Mr Speaker. Ah, the Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, introduced. Mr Speaker. Ah, the Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I introduced. Mr Speaker. Ah, the Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek introduced. Mr Speaker. Ah, the Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek leave Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to move Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to move a Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to move a motion Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to move a motion without Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to move a motion without notice Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to move a motion without notice on to move a motion without notice on the to move a motion without notice on the fires to move a motion without notice on the fires in to move a motion without notice on the fires in Christchurch to move a motion without notice on the fires in Christchurch and the fires in Christchurch and Selwyn. the fires in Christchurch and Selwyn. Is the fires in Christchurch and Selwyn. Is there the fires in Christchurch and Selwyn. Is there any the fires in Christchurch and Selwyn. Is there any objection the fires in Christchurch and Selwyn. Is there any objection to Selwyn. Is there any objection to that Selwyn. Is there any objection to that course Selwyn. Is there any objection to that course of Selwyn. Is there any objection to that course of action Selwyn. Is there any objection to that course of action being that course of action being followed? that course of action being followed? There that course of action being followed? There is that course of action being followed? There is none. that course of action being followed? There is none. The that course of action being followed? There is none. The Hon that course of action being followed? There is none. The Hon Amy followed? There is none. The Hon Amy Adams. followed? There is none. The Hon Amy Adams. Mr followed? There is none. The Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, followed? There is none. The Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, on followed? There is none. The Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf followed? There is none. The Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of followed? There is none. The Hon Amy Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Civil Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Civil Defence, Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Civil Defence, I Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Civil Defence, I wish Adams. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Civil Defence, I wish to Minister of Civil Defence, I wish to inform Minister of Civil Defence, I wish to inform the Minister of Civil Defence, I wish to inform the House Minister of Civil Defence, I wish to inform the House that Minister of Civil Defence, I wish to inform the House that the inform the House that the significant inform the House that the significant fires inform the House that the significant fires in inform the House that the significant fires in the significant fires in the Christchurch significant fires in the Christchurch and significant fires in the Christchurch and Selwyn significant fires in the Christchurch and Selwyn districts Christchurch and Selwyn districts that Christchurch and Selwyn districts that started Christchurch and Selwyn districts that started on Christchurch and Selwyn districts that started on Monday Christchurch and Selwyn districts that started on Monday 13 Christchurch and Selwyn districts that started on Monday 13 February, that started on Monday 13 February, increased that started on Monday 13 February, increased in that started on Monday 13 February, increased in severity that started on Monday 13 February, increased in severity overnight increased in severity overnight across increased in severity overnight across the increased in severity overnight across the Port increased in severity overnight across the Port Hills. increased in severity overnight across the Port Hills. A increased in severity overnight across the Port Hills. A state increased in severity overnight across the Port Hills. A state of across the Port Hills. A state of local across the Port Hills. A state of local emergency across the Port Hills. A state of local emergency over across the Port Hills. A state of local emergency over the across the Port Hills. A state of local emergency over the areas local emergency over the areas affected local emergency over the areas affected was local emergency over the areas affected was declared local emergency over the areas affected was declared at local emergency over the areas affected was declared at 6:05 local emergency over the areas affected was declared at 6:05 on affected was declared at 6:05 on Wednesday affected was declared at 6:05 on Wednesday evening. affected was declared at 6:05 on Wednesday evening. Firstly, affected was declared at 6:05 on Wednesday evening. Firstly, can affected was declared at 6:05 on Wednesday evening. Firstly, can we Wednesday evening. Firstly, can we send Wednesday evening. Firstly, can we send our Wednesday evening. Firstly, can we send our deepest Wednesday evening. Firstly, can we send our deepest sympathies Wednesday evening. Firstly, can we send our deepest sympathies to Wednesday evening. Firstly, can we send our deepest sympathies to the send our deepest sympathies to the family send our deepest sympathies to the family of send our deepest sympathies to the family of helicopter send our deepest sympathies to the family of helicopter pilot send our deepest sympathies to the family of helicopter pilot Mr send our deepest sympathies to the family of helicopter pilot Mr Steven family of helicopter pilot Mr Steven Askin, family of helicopter pilot Mr Steven Askin, who family of helicopter pilot Mr Steven Askin, who tragically family of helicopter pilot Mr Steven Askin, who tragically lost family of helicopter pilot Mr Steven Askin, who tragically lost his family of helicopter pilot Mr Steven Askin, who tragically lost his life Askin, who tragically lost his life fighting Askin, who tragically lost his life fighting the Askin, who tragically lost his life fighting the blaze. Askin, who tragically lost his life fighting the blaze. Mr Askin, who tragically lost his life fighting the blaze. Mr Askin Askin, who tragically lost his life fighting the blaze. Mr Askin gave fighting the blaze. Mr Askin gave outstanding fighting the blaze. Mr Askin gave outstanding service fighting the blaze. Mr Askin gave outstanding service to fighting the blaze. Mr Askin gave outstanding service to his fighting the blaze. Mr Askin gave outstanding service to his country outstanding service to his country over outstanding service to his country over his outstanding service to his country over his life, outstanding service to his country over his life, and outstanding service to his country over his life, and I outstanding service to his country over his life, and I know outstanding service to his country over his life, and I know he'll outstanding service to his country over his life, and I know he'll be over his life, and I know he'll be greatly over his life, and I know he'll be greatly missed. over his life, and I know he'll be greatly missed. I over his life, and I know he'll be greatly missed. I also over his life, and I know he'll be greatly missed. I also want over his life, and I know he'll be greatly missed. I also want to greatly missed. I also want to acknowledge greatly missed. I also want to acknowledge the greatly missed. I also want to acknowledge the front-line greatly missed. I also want to acknowledge the front-line crews greatly missed. I also want to acknowledge the front-line crews of acknowledge the front-line crews of emergency acknowledge the front-line crews of emergency services, acknowledge the front-line crews of emergency services, who acknowledge the front-line crews of emergency services, who are acknowledge the front-line crews of emergency services, who are doing acknowledge the front-line crews of emergency services, who are doing an emergency services, who are doing an outstanding emergency services, who are doing an outstanding job emergency services, who are doing an outstanding job as emergency services, who are doing an outstanding job as they emergency services, who are doing an outstanding job as they work emergency services, who are doing an outstanding job as they work to outstanding job as they work to contain outstanding job as they work to contain the outstanding job as they work to contain the fire outstanding job as they work to contain the fire and outstanding job as they work to contain the fire and protect outstanding job as they work to contain the fire and protect public contain the fire and protect public property contain the fire and protect public property and contain the fire and protect public property and difficult contain the fire and protect public property and difficult conditions property and difficult conditions and, property and difficult conditions and, of property and difficult conditions and, of course, property and difficult conditions and, of course, the property and difficult conditions and, of course, the many property and difficult conditions and, of course, the many volunteers and, of course, the many volunteers who and, of course, the many volunteers who are and, of course, the many volunteers who are supporting and, of course, the many volunteers who are supporting them. and, of course, the many volunteers who are supporting them. This who are supporting them. This morning, who are supporting them. This morning, the who are supporting them. This morning, the PM, who are supporting them. This morning, the PM, the who are supporting them. This morning, the PM, the Minister who are supporting them. This morning, the PM, the Minister of morning, the PM, the Minister of Civil morning, the PM, the Minister of Civil Defence morning, the PM, the Minister of Civil Defence and morning, the PM, the Minister of Civil Defence and I, morning, the PM, the Minister of Civil Defence and I, along morning, the PM, the Minister of Civil Defence and I, along with Civil Defence and I, along with director Civil Defence and I, along with director of Civil Defence and I, along with director of civil Civil Defence and I, along with director of civil defence Civil Defence and I, along with director of civil defence emergency director of civil defence emergency management director of civil defence emergency management Sarah director of civil defence emergency management Sarah stut-Black, director of civil defence emergency management Sarah stut-Black, visited management Sarah stut-Black, visited some management Sarah stut-Black, visited some of management Sarah stut-Black, visited some of the management Sarah stut-Black, visited some of the emergency management Sarah stut-Black, visited some of the emergency areas management Sarah stut-Black, visited some of the emergency areas and some of the emergency areas and emergency some of the emergency areas and emergency operation some of the emergency areas and emergency operation centres. some of the emergency areas and emergency operation centres. The emergency operation centres. The ministry emergency operation centres. The ministry of emergency operation centres. The ministry of civil emergency operation centres. The ministry of civil defence emergency operation centres. The ministry of civil defence has emergency operation centres. The ministry of civil defence has been ministry of civil defence has been actingly ministry of civil defence has been actingly monitoring ministry of civil defence has been actingly monitoring the ministry of civil defence has been actingly monitoring the situation ministry of civil defence has been actingly monitoring the situation at actingly monitoring the situation at the actingly monitoring the situation at the emergency actingly monitoring the situation at the emergency management actingly monitoring the situation at the emergency management centre. actingly monitoring the situation at the emergency management centre. The the emergency management centre. The Port the emergency management centre. The Port Hills the emergency management centre. The Port Hills fires the emergency management centre. The Port Hills fires are the emergency management centre. The Port Hills fires are being the emergency management centre. The Port Hills fires are being fought the emergency management centre. The Port Hills fires are being fought on Port Hills fires are being fought on three Port Hills fires are being fought on three fronts Port Hills fires are being fought on three fronts - Port Hills fires are being fought on three fronts - Early Port Hills fires are being fought on three fronts - Early Valley Port Hills fires are being fought on three fronts - Early Valley Road, three fronts - Early Valley Road, worselies three fronts - Early Valley Road, worselies Road three fronts - Early Valley Road, worselies Road and three fronts - Early Valley Road, worselies Road and Governors three fronts - Early Valley Road, worselies Road and Governors Bay. worselies Road and Governors Bay. The worselies Road and Governors Bay. The estimated worselies Road and Governors Bay. The estimated area worselies Road and Governors Bay. The estimated area of worselies Road and Governors Bay. The estimated area of the worselies Road and Governors Bay. The estimated area of the fire worselies Road and Governors Bay. The estimated area of the fire is The estimated area of the fire is now The estimated area of the fire is now in The estimated area of the fire is now in excess The estimated area of the fire is now in excess of The estimated area of the fire is now in excess of 2,000 The estimated area of the fire is now in excess of 2,000 hectares. The estimated area of the fire is now in excess of 2,000 hectares. The now in excess of 2,000 hectares. The fire now in excess of 2,000 hectares. The fire is now in excess of 2,000 hectares. The fire is extremely now in excess of 2,000 hectares. The fire is extremely intense now in excess of 2,000 hectares. The fire is extremely intense and now in excess of 2,000 hectares. The fire is extremely intense and is fire is extremely intense and is particularly fire is extremely intense and is particularly challenging fire is extremely intense and is particularly challenging to fire is extremely intense and is particularly challenging to contain particularly challenging to contain because particularly challenging to contain because of particularly challenging to contain because of the particularly challenging to contain because of the steep particularly challenging to contain because of the steep terrain, particularly challenging to contain because of the steep terrain, high because of the steep terrain, high levels because of the steep terrain, high levels of because of the steep terrain, high levels of highly because of the steep terrain, high levels of highly combustible levels of highly combustible vegetation levels of highly combustible vegetation in levels of highly combustible vegetation in the levels of highly combustible vegetation in the area levels of highly combustible vegetation in the area - vegetation in the area - particularly vegetation in the area - particularly limited vegetation in the area - particularly limited access, particularly limited access, challenging particularly limited access, challenging wind particularly limited access, challenging wind direction, particularly limited access, challenging wind direction, and particularly limited access, challenging wind direction, and the challenging wind direction, and the location challenging wind direction, and the location near challenging wind direction, and the location near to challenging wind direction, and the location near to urban challenging wind direction, and the location near to urban areas. challenging wind direction, and the location near to urban areas. The location near to urban areas. The geography location near to urban areas. The geography and location near to urban areas. The geography and access location near to urban areas. The geography and access has location near to urban areas. The geography and access has meant location near to urban areas. The geography and access has meant that geography and access has meant that the geography and access has meant that the fire geography and access has meant that the fire is geography and access has meant that the fire is largely geography and access has meant that the fire is largely only geography and access has meant that the fire is largely only able geography and access has meant that the fire is largely only able to geography and access has meant that the fire is largely only able to be the fire is largely only able to be fought the fire is largely only able to be fought aerially. the fire is largely only able to be fought aerially. Evacuations the fire is largely only able to be fought aerially. Evacuations have fought aerially. Evacuations have been fought aerially. Evacuations have been continuing fought aerially. Evacuations have been continuing as fought aerially. Evacuations have been continuing as the fought aerially. Evacuations have been continuing as the fires fought aerially. Evacuations have been continuing as the fires burn. been continuing as the fires burn. At been continuing as the fires burn. At last been continuing as the fires burn. At last update, been continuing as the fires burn. At last update, 450 been continuing as the fires burn. At last update, 450 properties been continuing as the fires burn. At last update, 450 properties have At last update, 450 properties have been At last update, 450 properties have been officially At last update, 450 properties have been officially evacuated At last update, 450 properties have been officially evacuated on At last update, 450 properties have been officially evacuated on the been officially evacuated on the Port been officially evacuated on the Port Hills been officially evacuated on the Port Hills - been officially evacuated on the Port Hills - areas been officially evacuated on the Port Hills - areas around been officially evacuated on the Port Hills - areas around Victoria Port Hills - areas around Victoria Park, Port Hills - areas around Victoria Park, Dyers Port Hills - areas around Victoria Park, Dyers Past Port Hills - areas around Victoria Park, Dyers Past Road, Port Hills - areas around Victoria Park, Dyers Past Road, Worsley Port Hills - areas around Victoria Park, Dyers Past Road, Worsley Road, Park, Dyers Past Road, Worsley Road, West Park, Dyers Past Road, Worsley Road, West Moreland Park, Dyers Past Road, Worsley Road, West Moreland and Park, Dyers Past Road, Worsley Road, West Moreland and Kennedys Park, Dyers Past Road, Worsley Road, West Moreland and Kennedys Bush, Park, Dyers Past Road, Worsley Road, West Moreland and Kennedys Bush, in West Moreland and Kennedys Bush, in particular. West Moreland and Kennedys Bush, in particular. Most West Moreland and Kennedys Bush, in particular. Most people West Moreland and Kennedys Bush, in particular. Most people are West Moreland and Kennedys Bush, in particular. Most people are staying particular. Most people are staying with particular. Most people are staying with family particular. Most people are staying with family and particular. Most people are staying with family and friends. particular. Most people are staying with family and friends. It's with family and friends. It's certainly with family and friends. It's certainly heart-warming with family and friends. It's certainly heart-warming to with family and friends. It's certainly heart-warming to see with family and friends. It's certainly heart-warming to see New certainly heart-warming to see New Zealanders certainly heart-warming to see New Zealanders looking certainly heart-warming to see New Zealanders looking after certainly heart-warming to see New Zealanders looking after each certainly heart-warming to see New Zealanders looking after each other. Zealanders looking after each other. People Zealanders looking after each other. People were Zealanders looking after each other. People were supported Zealanders looking after each other. People were supported by Zealanders looking after each other. People were supported by civil People were supported by civil defence People were supported by civil defence emergency People were supported by civil defence emergency management defence emergency management overnight, defence emergency management overnight, and defence emergency management overnight, and civil defence emergency management overnight, and civil defence defence emergency management overnight, and civil defence centres overnight, and civil defence centres are overnight, and civil defence centres are open overnight, and civil defence centres are open for overnight, and civil defence centres are open for those overnight, and civil defence centres are open for those who overnight, and civil defence centres are open for those who need are open for those who need assistance. are open for those who need assistance. There are open for those who need assistance. There have are open for those who need assistance. There have been are open for those who need assistance. There have been homes assistance. There have been homes that assistance. There have been homes that have assistance. There have been homes that have been assistance. There have been homes that have been damaged assistance. There have been homes that have been damaged by assistance. There have been homes that have been damaged by the assistance. There have been homes that have been damaged by the fire, that have been damaged by the fire, and that have been damaged by the fire, and the that have been damaged by the fire, and the extent that have been damaged by the fire, and the extent of that have been damaged by the fire, and the extent of the that have been damaged by the fire, and the extent of the damage that have been damaged by the fire, and the extent of the damage is and the extent of the damage is still and the extent of the damage is still being and the extent of the damage is still being assessed, and the extent of the damage is still being assessed, although and the extent of the damage is still being assessed, although it's still being assessed, although it's fair still being assessed, although it's fair to still being assessed, although it's fair to say still being assessed, although it's fair to say that still being assessed, although it's fair to say that the still being assessed, although it's fair to say that the damage still being assessed, although it's fair to say that the damage and still being assessed, although it's fair to say that the damage and the fair to say that the damage and the number fair to say that the damage and the number of fair to say that the damage and the number of homes fair to say that the damage and the number of homes affected fair to say that the damage and the number of homes affected would fair to say that the damage and the number of homes affected would be number of homes affected would be considerably number of homes affected would be considerably greater number of homes affected would be considerably greater if number of homes affected would be considerably greater if it number of homes affected would be considerably greater if it wasn't considerably greater if it wasn't for considerably greater if it wasn't for the considerably greater if it wasn't for the tremendous considerably greater if it wasn't for the tremendous work considerably greater if it wasn't for the tremendous work of considerably greater if it wasn't for the tremendous work of those for the tremendous work of those fighting for the tremendous work of those fighting the for the tremendous work of those fighting the fire. for the tremendous work of those fighting the fire. I for the tremendous work of those fighting the fire. I know for the tremendous work of those fighting the fire. I know you for the tremendous work of those fighting the fire. I know you will fighting the fire. I know you will join fighting the fire. I know you will join me fighting the fire. I know you will join me in fighting the fire. I know you will join me in expressing fighting the fire. I know you will join me in expressing that fighting the fire. I know you will join me in expressing that our join me in expressing that our thoughts join me in expressing that our thoughts are join me in expressing that our thoughts are with join me in expressing that our thoughts are with all join me in expressing that our thoughts are with all of join me in expressing that our thoughts are with all of those thoughts are with all of those affected thoughts are with all of those affected by thoughts are with all of those affected by the thoughts are with all of those affected by the emergency. thoughts are with all of those affected by the emergency. The affected by the emergency. The Government affected by the emergency. The Government stands affected by the emergency. The Government stands committed affected by the emergency. The Government stands committed and Government stands committed and ready Government stands committed and ready to Government stands committed and ready to provide Government stands committed and ready to provide whatever Government stands committed and ready to provide whatever resources ready to provide whatever resources are ready to provide whatever resources are needed ready to provide whatever resources are needed to ready to provide whatever resources are needed to assist ready to provide whatever resources are needed to assist the ready to provide whatever resources are needed to assist the local are needed to assist the local response. are needed to assist the local response. A are needed to assist the local response. A number are needed to assist the local response. A number of are needed to assist the local response. A number of agencies are needed to assist the local response. A number of agencies are response. A number of agencies are working response. A number of agencies are working together response. A number of agencies are working together to response. A number of agencies are working together to fight response. A number of agencies are working together to fight the response. A number of agencies are working together to fight the blaze working together to fight the blaze and working together to fight the blaze and support working together to fight the blaze and support the working together to fight the blaze and support the community. working together to fight the blaze and support the community. Rural and support the community. Rural fire and support the community. Rural fire authorities and support the community. Rural fire authorities across and support the community. Rural fire authorities across the and support the community. Rural fire authorities across the South fire authorities across the South Island, fire authorities across the South Island, the fire authorities across the South Island, the NZ fire authorities across the South Island, the NZ Fire fire authorities across the South Island, the NZ Fire Service, fire authorities across the South Island, the NZ Fire Service, the fire authorities across the South Island, the NZ Fire Service, the New Island, the NZ Fire Service, the New Zealand Island, the NZ Fire Service, the New Zealand Defence Island, the NZ Fire Service, the New Zealand Defence Force, Island, the NZ Fire Service, the New Zealand Defence Force, NZ Island, the NZ Fire Service, the New Zealand Defence Force, NZ Police, Zealand Defence Force, NZ Police, Civil Zealand Defence Force, NZ Police, Civil Defence Zealand Defence Force, NZ Police, Civil Defence and Zealand Defence Force, NZ Police, Civil Defence and private Zealand Defence Force, NZ Police, Civil Defence and private aircraft Civil Defence and private aircraft and Civil Defence and private aircraft and heavy Civil Defence and private aircraft and heavy machinery Civil Defence and private aircraft and heavy machinery operators. and heavy machinery operators. Everyone and heavy machinery operators. Everyone is and heavy machinery operators. Everyone is working and heavy machinery operators. Everyone is working hard and heavy machinery operators. Everyone is working hard to and heavy machinery operators. Everyone is working hard to make Everyone is working hard to make sure Everyone is working hard to make sure the Everyone is working hard to make sure the people Everyone is working hard to make sure the people affected Everyone is working hard to make sure the people affected by Everyone is working hard to make sure the people affected by the sure the people affected by the fires sure the people affected by the fires are sure the people affected by the fires are kept sure the people affected by the fires are kept safe, sure the people affected by the fires are kept safe, and sure the people affected by the fires are kept safe, and communities fires are kept safe, and communities and fires are kept safe, and communities and emergency fires are kept safe, and communities and emergency services fires are kept safe, and communities and emergency services receive fires are kept safe, and communities and emergency services receive the and emergency services receive the support and emergency services receive the support they and emergency services receive the support they need. and emergency services receive the support they need. Our and emergency services receive the support they need. Our number and emergency services receive the support they need. Our number one support they need. Our number one priority support they need. Our number one priority is, support they need. Our number one priority is, of support they need. Our number one priority is, of course, support they need. Our number one priority is, of course, ensuring support they need. Our number one priority is, of course, ensuring the priority is, of course, ensuring the safety priority is, of course, ensuring the safety and priority is, of course, ensuring the safety and wellbeing priority is, of course, ensuring the safety and wellbeing of priority is, of course, ensuring the safety and wellbeing of the priority is, of course, ensuring the safety and wellbeing of the public, safety and wellbeing of the public, and safety and wellbeing of the public, and the safety and wellbeing of the public, and the emergency safety and wellbeing of the public, and the emergency responders. safety and wellbeing of the public, and the emergency responders. People and the emergency responders. People should and the emergency responders. People should keep and the emergency responders. People should keep themselves and the emergency responders. People should keep themselves up and the emergency responders. People should keep themselves up to and the emergency responders. People should keep themselves up to date should keep themselves up to date with should keep themselves up to date with the should keep themselves up to date with the latest should keep themselves up to date with the latest news should keep themselves up to date with the latest news through should keep themselves up to date with the latest news through the with the latest news through the Christchurch with the latest news through the Christchurch City with the latest news through the Christchurch City Council, with the latest news through the Christchurch City Council, Civil Christchurch City Council, Civil Defence Christchurch City Council, Civil Defence social Christchurch City Council, Civil Defence social media Christchurch City Council, Civil Defence social media and Christchurch City Council, Civil Defence social media and websites, Defence social media and websites, or Defence social media and websites, or Selwyn Defence social media and websites, or Selwyn District Defence social media and websites, or Selwyn District Council or Selwyn District Council information or Selwyn District Council information lines. or Selwyn District Council information lines. It's or Selwyn District Council information lines. It's imperative information lines. It's imperative that information lines. It's imperative that members information lines. It's imperative that members of information lines. It's imperative that members of the information lines. It's imperative that members of the public information lines. It's imperative that members of the public keep information lines. It's imperative that members of the public keep away that members of the public keep away from that members of the public keep away from the that members of the public keep away from the affected that members of the public keep away from the affected areas that members of the public keep away from the affected areas of that members of the public keep away from the affected areas of the from the affected areas of the Hills. from the affected areas of the Hills. Mr from the affected areas of the Hills. Mr Speaker. from the affected areas of the Hills. Mr Speaker. The from the affected areas of the Hills. Mr Speaker. The question from the affected areas of the Hills. Mr Speaker. The question is Hills. Mr Speaker. The question is that Hills. Mr Speaker. The question is that the Hills. Mr Speaker. The question is that the motion Hills. Mr Speaker. The question is that the motion be Hills. Mr Speaker. The question is that the motion be agreed Hills. Mr Speaker. The question is that the motion be agreed to. Hills. Mr Speaker. The question is that the motion be agreed to. The that the motion be agreed to. The Hon that the motion be agreed to. The Hon Annette that the motion be agreed to. The Hon Annette King. that the motion be agreed to. The Hon Annette King. Mr that the motion be agreed to. The Hon Annette King. Mr Speaker, that the motion be agreed to. The Hon Annette King. Mr Speaker, Labour Hon Annette King. Mr Speaker, Labour supports Hon Annette King. Mr Speaker, Labour supports the Hon Annette King. Mr Speaker, Labour supports the Government's Hon Annette King. Mr Speaker, Labour supports the Government's motion, supports the Government's motion, and supports the Government's motion, and I supports the Government's motion, and I know supports the Government's motion, and I know that supports the Government's motion, and I know that this supports the Government's motion, and I know that this is supports the Government's motion, and I know that this is a supports the Government's motion, and I know that this is a very supports the Government's motion, and I know that this is a very small and I know that this is a very small action and I know that this is a very small action that and I know that this is a very small action that we and I know that this is a very small action that we can and I know that this is a very small action that we can take and I know that this is a very small action that we can take compared and I know that this is a very small action that we can take compared to action that we can take compared to the action that we can take compared to the work action that we can take compared to the work on action that we can take compared to the work on the action that we can take compared to the work on the ground action that we can take compared to the work on the ground by action that we can take compared to the work on the ground by so action that we can take compared to the work on the ground by so many the work on the ground by so many people the work on the ground by so many people in the work on the ground by so many people in Christchurch, the work on the ground by so many people in Christchurch, but the work on the ground by so many people in Christchurch, but it the work on the ground by so many people in Christchurch, but it is the work on the ground by so many people in Christchurch, but it is to people in Christchurch, but it is to show people in Christchurch, but it is to show our people in Christchurch, but it is to show our support people in Christchurch, but it is to show our support and people in Christchurch, but it is to show our support and solidarity show our support and solidarity across show our support and solidarity across the show our support and solidarity across the House. show our support and solidarity across the House. This show our support and solidarity across the House. This House, show our support and solidarity across the House. This House, and across the House. This House, and the across the House. This House, and the people across the House. This House, and the people of across the House. This House, and the people of New across the House. This House, and the people of New Zealand, across the House. This House, and the people of New Zealand, will across the House. This House, and the people of New Zealand, will be the people of New Zealand, will be feeling the people of New Zealand, will be feeling for the people of New Zealand, will be feeling for the the people of New Zealand, will be feeling for the residents the people of New Zealand, will be feeling for the residents of feeling for the residents of Christchurch feeling for the residents of Christchurch - feeling for the residents of Christchurch - as feeling for the residents of Christchurch - as if feeling for the residents of Christchurch - as if they feeling for the residents of Christchurch - as if they haven't Christchurch - as if they haven't faced Christchurch - as if they haven't faced enough Christchurch - as if they haven't faced enough in Christchurch - as if they haven't faced enough in recent Christchurch - as if they haven't faced enough in recent years Christchurch - as if they haven't faced enough in recent years with faced enough in recent years with the faced enough in recent years with the devastating faced enough in recent years with the devastating earthquakes. faced enough in recent years with the devastating earthquakes. And the devastating earthquakes. And now, the devastating earthquakes. And now, a the devastating earthquakes. And now, a deadly the devastating earthquakes. And now, a deadly blaze the devastating earthquakes. And now, a deadly blaze spanning the devastating earthquakes. And now, a deadly blaze spanning 1,800 now, a deadly blaze spanning 1,800 hectares now, a deadly blaze spanning 1,800 hectares with now, a deadly blaze spanning 1,800 hectares with no now, a deadly blaze spanning 1,800 hectares with no let-up now, a deadly blaze spanning 1,800 hectares with no let-up in now, a deadly blaze spanning 1,800 hectares with no let-up in sight. hectares with no let-up in sight. We're hectares with no let-up in sight. We're told hectares with no let-up in sight. We're told that hectares with no let-up in sight. We're told that nearly hectares with no let-up in sight. We're told that nearly a hectares with no let-up in sight. We're told that nearly a dozen hectares with no let-up in sight. We're told that nearly a dozen homes We're told that nearly a dozen homes have We're told that nearly a dozen homes have been We're told that nearly a dozen homes have been burnt, We're told that nearly a dozen homes have been burnt, and We're told that nearly a dozen homes have been burnt, and we We're told that nearly a dozen homes have been burnt, and we don't We're told that nearly a dozen homes have been burnt, and we don't know have been burnt, and we don't know how have been burnt, and we don't know how many have been burnt, and we don't know how many have have been burnt, and we don't know how many have been have been burnt, and we don't know how many have been damaged. have been burnt, and we don't know how many have been damaged. Hundreds how many have been damaged. Hundreds of how many have been damaged. Hundreds of residents how many have been damaged. Hundreds of residents have how many have been damaged. Hundreds of residents have been how many have been damaged. Hundreds of residents have been evacuated of residents have been evacuated from of residents have been evacuated from their of residents have been evacuated from their homes, of residents have been evacuated from their homes, and of residents have been evacuated from their homes, and the from their homes, and the strengthening from their homes, and the strengthening winds from their homes, and the strengthening winds with from their homes, and the strengthening winds with that from their homes, and the strengthening winds with that old strengthening winds with that old north-wester strengthening winds with that old north-wester they strengthening winds with that old north-wester they get strengthening winds with that old north-wester they get down strengthening winds with that old north-wester they get down there strengthening winds with that old north-wester they get down there in north-wester they get down there in kantbry north-wester they get down there in kantbry is north-wester they get down there in kantbry is likely north-wester they get down there in kantbry is likely to north-wester they get down there in kantbry is likely to -- north-wester they get down there in kantbry is likely to -- cantly north-wester they get down there in kantbry is likely to -- cantly is kantbry is likely to -- cantly is likely kantbry is likely to -- cantly is likely to kantbry is likely to -- cantly is likely to fan kantbry is likely to -- cantly is likely to fan the kantbry is likely to -- cantly is likely to fan the fire kantbry is likely to -- cantly is likely to fan the fire and kantbry is likely to -- cantly is likely to fan the fire and drive kantbry is likely to -- cantly is likely to fan the fire and drive it likely to fan the fire and drive it closer likely to fan the fire and drive it closer to likely to fan the fire and drive it closer to residential likely to fan the fire and drive it closer to residential areas. closer to residential areas. Obviously, closer to residential areas. Obviously, all closer to residential areas. Obviously, all efforts closer to residential areas. Obviously, all efforts are closer to residential areas. Obviously, all efforts are being closer to residential areas. Obviously, all efforts are being put Obviously, all efforts are being put into Obviously, all efforts are being put into directing Obviously, all efforts are being put into directing the Obviously, all efforts are being put into directing the fire Obviously, all efforts are being put into directing the fire away, Obviously, all efforts are being put into directing the fire away, but into directing the fire away, but must into directing the fire away, but must be into directing the fire away, but must be directed into directing the fire away, but must be directed towards into directing the fire away, but must be directed towards saving must be directed towards saving lives must be directed towards saving lives and must be directed towards saving lives and people, must be directed towards saving lives and people, as must be directed towards saving lives and people, as a must be directed towards saving lives and people, as a priority. lives and people, as a priority. This lives and people, as a priority. This is lives and people, as a priority. This is a lives and people, as a priority. This is a city lives and people, as a priority. This is a city that lives and people, as a priority. This is a city that is lives and people, as a priority. This is a city that is already lives and people, as a priority. This is a city that is already in lives and people, as a priority. This is a city that is already in a This is a city that is already in a state This is a city that is already in a state of This is a city that is already in a state of anxiety. This is a city that is already in a state of anxiety. As This is a city that is already in a state of anxiety. As one This is a city that is already in a state of anxiety. As one person This is a city that is already in a state of anxiety. As one person said state of anxiety. As one person said as state of anxiety. As one person said as they state of anxiety. As one person said as they watched state of anxiety. As one person said as they watched their state of anxiety. As one person said as they watched their house state of anxiety. As one person said as they watched their house burn as they watched their house burn down, as they watched their house burn down, "It as they watched their house burn down, "It is as they watched their house burn down, "It is gutting." as they watched their house burn down, "It is gutting." There's as they watched their house burn down, "It is gutting." There's only down, "It is gutting." There's only six down, "It is gutting." There's only six days down, "It is gutting." There's only six days before down, "It is gutting." There's only six days before the down, "It is gutting." There's only six days before the anniversary down, "It is gutting." There's only six days before the anniversary of six days before the anniversary of the six days before the anniversary of the 22 six days before the anniversary of the 22 February six days before the anniversary of the 22 February earthquake. six days before the anniversary of the 22 February earthquake. That six days before the anniversary of the 22 February earthquake. That is the 22 February earthquake. That is a the 22 February earthquake. That is a time, the 22 February earthquake. That is a time, now, the 22 February earthquake. That is a time, now, that the 22 February earthquake. That is a time, now, that is the 22 February earthquake. That is a time, now, that is bringing the 22 February earthquake. That is a time, now, that is bringing back a time, now, that is bringing back those a time, now, that is bringing back those bad a time, now, that is bringing back those bad memories a time, now, that is bringing back those bad memories - a time, now, that is bringing back those bad memories - the a time, now, that is bringing back those bad memories - the deep those bad memories - the deep sadness those bad memories - the deep sadness at those bad memories - the deep sadness at the those bad memories - the deep sadness at the loss those bad memories - the deep sadness at the loss of those bad memories - the deep sadness at the loss of life those bad memories - the deep sadness at the loss of life and those bad memories - the deep sadness at the loss of life and of sadness at the loss of life and of their sadness at the loss of life and of their beautiful sadness at the loss of life and of their beautiful city sadness at the loss of life and of their beautiful city as sadness at the loss of life and of their beautiful city as they sadness at the loss of life and of their beautiful city as they know their beautiful city as they know it. their beautiful city as they know it. I their beautiful city as they know it. I know their beautiful city as they know it. I know that their beautiful city as they know it. I know that we their beautiful city as they know it. I know that we feel their beautiful city as they know it. I know that we feel deeply their beautiful city as they know it. I know that we feel deeply for it. I know that we feel deeply for them. it. I know that we feel deeply for them. I, it. I know that we feel deeply for them. I, too, it. I know that we feel deeply for them. I, too, want it. I know that we feel deeply for them. I, too, want to it. I know that we feel deeply for them. I, too, want to thank it. I know that we feel deeply for them. I, too, want to thank the them. I, too, want to thank the emergency them. I, too, want to thank the emergency services, them. I, too, want to thank the emergency services, who them. I, too, want to thank the emergency services, who are them. I, too, want to thank the emergency services, who are bravely emergency services, who are bravely fighting emergency services, who are bravely fighting the emergency services, who are bravely fighting the fire. emergency services, who are bravely fighting the fire. Those emergency services, who are bravely fighting the fire. Those who emergency services, who are bravely fighting the fire. Those who are fighting the fire. Those who are going fighting the fire. Those who are going door fighting the fire. Those who are going door to fighting the fire. Those who are going door to door fighting the fire. Those who are going door to door to fighting the fire. Those who are going door to door to alert fighting the fire. Those who are going door to door to alert people, going door to door to alert people, those going door to door to alert people, those who going door to door to alert people, those who are going door to door to alert people, those who are providing going door to door to alert people, those who are providing advice, those who are providing advice, shelter those who are providing advice, shelter and those who are providing advice, shelter and food. those who are providing advice, shelter and food. And those who are providing advice, shelter and food. And we those who are providing advice, shelter and food. And we know those who are providing advice, shelter and food. And we know that shelter and food. And we know that they shelter and food. And we know that they will shelter and food. And we know that they will be shelter and food. And we know that they will be increasingly shelter and food. And we know that they will be increasingly becoming they will be increasingly becoming tired they will be increasingly becoming tired and they will be increasingly becoming tired and stressed they will be increasingly becoming tired and stressed themselves, they will be increasingly becoming tired and stressed themselves, and tired and stressed themselves, and they tired and stressed themselves, and they deserve tired and stressed themselves, and they deserve all tired and stressed themselves, and they deserve all the tired and stressed themselves, and they deserve all the support tired and stressed themselves, and they deserve all the support and they deserve all the support and encouragement they deserve all the support and encouragement that they deserve all the support and encouragement that we they deserve all the support and encouragement that we can they deserve all the support and encouragement that we can give they deserve all the support and encouragement that we can give them. encouragement that we can give them. The encouragement that we can give them. The firefighters encouragement that we can give them. The firefighters - encouragement that we can give them. The firefighters - those encouragement that we can give them. The firefighters - those from encouragement that we can give them. The firefighters - those from Dept The firefighters - those from Dept of The firefighters - those from Dept of Conservation, The firefighters - those from Dept of Conservation, territorial of Conservation, territorial authorities, of Conservation, territorial authorities, volunteers of Conservation, territorial authorities, volunteers - of Conservation, territorial authorities, volunteers - the of Conservation, territorial authorities, volunteers - the police authorities, volunteers - the police patrols authorities, volunteers - the police patrols who authorities, volunteers - the police patrols who are authorities, volunteers - the police patrols who are working authorities, volunteers - the police patrols who are working 'round authorities, volunteers - the police patrols who are working 'round the patrols who are working 'round the clock. patrols who are working 'round the clock. And patrols who are working 'round the clock. And it's patrols who are working 'round the clock. And it's great patrols who are working 'round the clock. And it's great to patrols who are working 'round the clock. And it's great to know patrols who are working 'round the clock. And it's great to know that, clock. And it's great to know that, in clock. And it's great to know that, in true clock. And it's great to know that, in true Kiwi clock. And it's great to know that, in true Kiwi style, clock. And it's great to know that, in true Kiwi style, other clock. And it's great to know that, in true Kiwi style, other regions in true Kiwi style, other regions are in true Kiwi style, other regions are pitching in true Kiwi style, other regions are pitching in in true Kiwi style, other regions are pitching in to in true Kiwi style, other regions are pitching in to help. in true Kiwi style, other regions are pitching in to help. An are pitching in to help. An additional are pitching in to help. An additional -- are pitching in to help. An additional -- additional additional -- additional firefighters additional -- additional firefighters and additional -- additional firefighters and helicopters additional -- additional firefighters and helicopters are firefighters and helicopters are coming firefighters and helicopters are coming in, firefighters and helicopters are coming in, we're firefighters and helicopters are coming in, we're told, firefighters and helicopters are coming in, we're told, from firefighters and helicopters are coming in, we're told, from Nelson coming in, we're told, from Nelson and coming in, we're told, from Nelson and from coming in, we're told, from Nelson and from Timaru, coming in, we're told, from Nelson and from Timaru, and coming in, we're told, from Nelson and from Timaru, and at coming in, we're told, from Nelson and from Timaru, and at this coming in, we're told, from Nelson and from Timaru, and at this stage, and from Timaru, and at this stage, something and from Timaru, and at this stage, something like and from Timaru, and at this stage, something like 15 and from Timaru, and at this stage, something like 15 helicopterals and from Timaru, and at this stage, something like 15 helicopterals and something like 15 helicopterals and planes something like 15 helicopterals and planes are something like 15 helicopterals and planes are in something like 15 helicopterals and planes are in the something like 15 helicopterals and planes are in the air something like 15 helicopterals and planes are in the air - something like 15 helicopterals and planes are in the air - the something like 15 helicopterals and planes are in the air - the maximum planes are in the air - the maximum you planes are in the air - the maximum you can planes are in the air - the maximum you can have planes are in the air - the maximum you can have for planes are in the air - the maximum you can have for safety. planes are in the air - the maximum you can have for safety. I planes are in the air - the maximum you can have for safety. I agree you can have for safety. I agree with you can have for safety. I agree with the you can have for safety. I agree with the minister you can have for safety. I agree with the minister that you can have for safety. I agree with the minister that it's you can have for safety. I agree with the minister that it's tragic with the minister that it's tragic that with the minister that it's tragic that one with the minister that it's tragic that one life with the minister that it's tragic that one life has with the minister that it's tragic that one life has already with the minister that it's tragic that one life has already been with the minister that it's tragic that one life has already been lost that one life has already been lost - that one life has already been lost - Steve that one life has already been lost - Steve Askin that one life has already been lost - Steve Askin killed that one life has already been lost - Steve Askin killed when that one life has already been lost - Steve Askin killed when his - Steve Askin killed when his helicopter - Steve Askin killed when his helicopter crashed - Steve Askin killed when his helicopter crashed when - Steve Askin killed when his helicopter crashed when he - Steve Askin killed when his helicopter crashed when he was helicopter crashed when he was fighting helicopter crashed when he was fighting the helicopter crashed when he was fighting the Port helicopter crashed when he was fighting the Port Hills helicopter crashed when he was fighting the Port Hills fire. helicopter crashed when he was fighting the Port Hills fire. We fighting the Port Hills fire. We also fighting the Port Hills fire. We also extend fighting the Port Hills fire. We also extend our fighting the Port Hills fire. We also extend our deepest fighting the Port Hills fire. We also extend our deepest sympathy fighting the Port Hills fire. We also extend our deepest sympathy to also extend our deepest sympathy to his also extend our deepest sympathy to his wife, also extend our deepest sympathy to his wife, Elizabeth, also extend our deepest sympathy to his wife, Elizabeth, his also extend our deepest sympathy to his wife, Elizabeth, his children his wife, Elizabeth, his children and his wife, Elizabeth, his children and his his wife, Elizabeth, his children and his extended his wife, Elizabeth, his children and his extended family. his wife, Elizabeth, his children and his extended family. We his wife, Elizabeth, his children and his extended family. We can his wife, Elizabeth, his children and his extended family. We can only and his extended family. We can only hope and his extended family. We can only hope that and his extended family. We can only hope that no and his extended family. We can only hope that no more and his extended family. We can only hope that no more lives and his extended family. We can only hope that no more lives will and his extended family. We can only hope that no more lives will be hope that no more lives will be lost. hope that no more lives will be lost. This hope that no more lives will be lost. This is hope that no more lives will be lost. This is not hope that no more lives will be lost. This is not the hope that no more lives will be lost. This is not the time hope that no more lives will be lost. This is not the time to hope that no more lives will be lost. This is not the time to look lost. This is not the time to look at lost. This is not the time to look at the lost. This is not the time to look at the "whys" lost. This is not the time to look at the "whys" and lost. This is not the time to look at the "whys" and "how"s. lost. This is not the time to look at the "whys" and "how"s. That lost. This is not the time to look at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs to at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs to come at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs to come at at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs to come at a at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs to come at a later at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs to come at a later date. at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs to come at a later date. Next at the "whys" and "how"s. That needs to come at a later date. Next week, to come at a later date. Next week, we to come at a later date. Next week, we need to come at a later date. Next week, we need a to come at a later date. Next week, we need a real to come at a later date. Next week, we need a real assessment to come at a later date. Next week, we need a real assessment as to come at a later date. Next week, we need a real assessment as to to come at a later date. Next week, we need a real assessment as to what we need a real assessment as to what services we need a real assessment as to what services and we need a real assessment as to what services and support we need a real assessment as to what services and support the we need a real assessment as to what services and support the people we need a real assessment as to what services and support the people will services and support the people will need services and support the people will need - services and support the people will need - the services and support the people will need - the people services and support the people will need - the people who services and support the people will need - the people who have services and support the people will need - the people who have suffered. need - the people who have suffered. And need - the people who have suffered. And there need - the people who have suffered. And there should need - the people who have suffered. And there should be need - the people who have suffered. And there should be no need - the people who have suffered. And there should be no delay need - the people who have suffered. And there should be no delay in And there should be no delay in Government And there should be no delay in Government support, And there should be no delay in Government support, particularly And there should be no delay in Government support, particularly for Government support, particularly for those Government support, particularly for those who Government support, particularly for those who might Government support, particularly for those who might need Government support, particularly for those who might need mental Government support, particularly for those who might need mental health those who might need mental health services. those who might need mental health services. We those who might need mental health services. We will those who might need mental health services. We will back those who might need mental health services. We will back whatever services. We will back whatever support services. We will back whatever support is services. We will back whatever support is needed. services. We will back whatever support is needed. I services. We will back whatever support is needed. I know services. We will back whatever support is needed. I know that services. We will back whatever support is needed. I know that our support is needed. I know that our Labour support is needed. I know that our Labour Members support is needed. I know that our Labour Members of support is needed. I know that our Labour Members of Parliament, support is needed. I know that our Labour Members of Parliament, and Labour Members of Parliament, and those Labour Members of Parliament, and those in Labour Members of Parliament, and those in the Labour Members of Parliament, and those in the electorate Labour Members of Parliament, and those in the electorate already Labour Members of Parliament, and those in the electorate already -- those in the electorate already -- are those in the electorate already -- are already those in the electorate already -- are already on those in the electorate already -- are already on the those in the electorate already -- are already on the ground, those in the electorate already -- are already on the ground, and those in the electorate already -- are already on the ground, and they are already on the ground, and they will are already on the ground, and they will be are already on the ground, and they will be contacting are already on the ground, and they will be contacting their are already on the ground, and they will be contacting their schools are already on the ground, and they will be contacting their schools and will be contacting their schools and community will be contacting their schools and community organisations will be contacting their schools and community organisations to will be contacting their schools and community organisations to see will be contacting their schools and community organisations to see how community organisations to see how they community organisations to see how they are community organisations to see how they are coping community organisations to see how they are coping and community organisations to see how they are coping and how community organisations to see how they are coping and how they community organisations to see how they are coping and how they can community organisations to see how they are coping and how they can be they are coping and how they can be helped. they are coping and how they can be helped. It they are coping and how they can be helped. It is they are coping and how they can be helped. It is now they are coping and how they can be helped. It is now a they are coping and how they can be helped. It is now a time they are coping and how they can be helped. It is now a time for they are coping and how they can be helped. It is now a time for us they are coping and how they can be helped. It is now a time for us to helped. It is now a time for us to do helped. It is now a time for us to do all helped. It is now a time for us to do all we helped. It is now a time for us to do all we can helped. It is now a time for us to do all we can to helped. It is now a time for us to do all we can to support helped. It is now a time for us to do all we can to support the helped. It is now a time for us to do all we can to support the people do all we can to support the people of do all we can to support the people of Christchurch. do all we can to support the people of Christchurch. There do all we can to support the people of Christchurch. There will do all we can to support the people of Christchurch. There will be do all we can to support the people of Christchurch. There will be a of Christchurch. There will be a time of Christchurch. There will be a time to of Christchurch. There will be a time to see of Christchurch. There will be a time to see how of Christchurch. There will be a time to see how another of Christchurch. There will be a time to see how another such of Christchurch. There will be a time to see how another such tragedy time to see how another such tragedy can time to see how another such tragedy can be time to see how another such tragedy can be avoided. time to see how another such tragedy can be avoided. James time to see how another such tragedy can be avoided. James Shaw. time to see how another such tragedy can be avoided. James Shaw. Mr can be avoided. James Shaw. Mr Speaker, can be avoided. James Shaw. Mr Speaker, the can be avoided. James Shaw. Mr Speaker, the Green can be avoided. James Shaw. Mr Speaker, the Green Party can be avoided. James Shaw. Mr Speaker, the Green Party would can be avoided. James Shaw. Mr Speaker, the Green Party would like Speaker, the Green Party would like to Speaker, the Green Party would like to support Speaker, the Green Party would like to support the Speaker, the Green Party would like to support the Government's Speaker, the Green Party would like to support the Government's motion. to support the Government's motion. We to support the Government's motion. We express to support the Government's motion. We express our to support the Government's motion. We express our sympathies to support the Government's motion. We express our sympathies and to support the Government's motion. We express our sympathies and offer We express our sympathies and offer our We express our sympathies and offer our support We express our sympathies and offer our support to We express our sympathies and offer our support to people We express our sympathies and offer our support to people who We express our sympathies and offer our support to people who have We express our sympathies and offer our support to people who have lost our support to people who have lost their our support to people who have lost their homes our support to people who have lost their homes or our support to people who have lost their homes or have our support to people who have lost their homes or have been our support to people who have lost their homes or have been otherwise their homes or have been otherwise affected their homes or have been otherwise affected by their homes or have been otherwise affected by the their homes or have been otherwise affected by the Christchurch their homes or have been otherwise affected by the Christchurch fires. affected by the Christchurch fires. We affected by the Christchurch fires. We also affected by the Christchurch fires. We also want affected by the Christchurch fires. We also want to affected by the Christchurch fires. We also want to acknowledge affected by the Christchurch fires. We also want to acknowledge the We also want to acknowledge the incredible We also want to acknowledge the incredible Emergency We also want to acknowledge the incredible Emergency Services incredible Emergency Services personnel incredible Emergency Services personnel - incredible Emergency Services personnel - firefighters, incredible Emergency Services personnel - firefighters, helicopter personnel - firefighters, helicopter pilots, personnel - firefighters, helicopter pilots, police, personnel - firefighters, helicopter pilots, police, Defence personnel - firefighters, helicopter pilots, police, Defence Force, pilots, police, Defence Force, Christchurch pilots, police, Defence Force, Christchurch City pilots, police, Defence Force, Christchurch City and pilots, police, Defence Force, Christchurch City and Selwyn Christchurch City and Selwyn District Christchurch City and Selwyn District councils, Christchurch City and Selwyn District councils, the Christchurch City and Selwyn District councils, the Civil Christchurch City and Selwyn District councils, the Civil Defence District councils, the Civil Defence staff District councils, the Civil Defence staff and District councils, the Civil Defence staff and volunteers District councils, the Civil Defence staff and volunteers who District councils, the Civil Defence staff and volunteers who have District councils, the Civil Defence staff and volunteers who have been staff and volunteers who have been working staff and volunteers who have been working around staff and volunteers who have been working around the staff and volunteers who have been working around the clock staff and volunteers who have been working around the clock to staff and volunteers who have been working around the clock to control working around the clock to control the working around the clock to control the fires. working around the clock to control the fires. I'd working around the clock to control the fires. I'd particularly working around the clock to control the fires. I'd particularly like working around the clock to control the fires. I'd particularly like to the fires. I'd particularly like to acknowledge the fires. I'd particularly like to acknowledge the the fires. I'd particularly like to acknowledge the helicopter the fires. I'd particularly like to acknowledge the helicopter pilot acknowledge the helicopter pilot David acknowledge the helicopter pilot David Steven acknowledge the helicopter pilot David Steven Askin, acknowledge the helicopter pilot David Steven Askin, who acknowledge the helicopter pilot David Steven Askin, who lost acknowledge the helicopter pilot David Steven Askin, who lost his David Steven Askin, who lost his life David Steven Askin, who lost his life while David Steven Askin, who lost his life while working David Steven Askin, who lost his life while working to David Steven Askin, who lost his life while working to protect David Steven Askin, who lost his life while working to protect the life while working to protect the city life while working to protect the city and life while working to protect the city and its life while working to protect the city and its residents, life while working to protect the city and its residents, and life while working to protect the city and its residents, and to city and its residents, and to extend city and its residents, and to extend our city and its residents, and to extend our deepest city and its residents, and to extend our deepest condolences city and its residents, and to extend our deepest condolences to extend our deepest condolences to his extend our deepest condolences to his loved extend our deepest condolences to his loved ones. extend our deepest condolences to his loved ones. The extend our deepest condolences to his loved ones. The commitment extend our deepest condolences to his loved ones. The commitment and his loved ones. The commitment and the his loved ones. The commitment and the courage his loved ones. The commitment and the courage of his loved ones. The commitment and the courage of the his loved ones. The commitment and the courage of the helicopter the courage of the helicopter pilots, the courage of the helicopter pilots, the the courage of the helicopter pilots, the firefighters the courage of the helicopter pilots, the firefighters and the courage of the helicopter pilots, the firefighters and support pilots, the firefighters and support personnel pilots, the firefighters and support personnel working pilots, the firefighters and support personnel working incredibly pilots, the firefighters and support personnel working incredibly long personnel working incredibly long hours personnel working incredibly long hours under personnel working incredibly long hours under horrendous personnel working incredibly long hours under horrendous conditions personnel working incredibly long hours under horrendous conditions to hours under horrendous conditions to try hours under horrendous conditions to try and hours under horrendous conditions to try and contain hours under horrendous conditions to try and contain the hours under horrendous conditions to try and contain the fire hours under horrendous conditions to try and contain the fire and hours under horrendous conditions to try and contain the fire and to try and contain the fire and to protect try and contain the fire and to protect homes try and contain the fire and to protect homes and try and contain the fire and to protect homes and people try and contain the fire and to protect homes and people is protect homes and people is extraordinary. protect homes and people is extraordinary. I'd protect homes and people is extraordinary. I'd also protect homes and people is extraordinary. I'd also like protect homes and people is extraordinary. I'd also like to protect homes and people is extraordinary. I'd also like to take extraordinary. I'd also like to take this extraordinary. I'd also like to take this opportunity extraordinary. I'd also like to take this opportunity to extraordinary. I'd also like to take this opportunity to acknowledge extraordinary. I'd also like to take this opportunity to acknowledge the this opportunity to acknowledge the media, this opportunity to acknowledge the media, who this opportunity to acknowledge the media, who have this opportunity to acknowledge the media, who have been this opportunity to acknowledge the media, who have been working this opportunity to acknowledge the media, who have been working hard this opportunity to acknowledge the media, who have been working hard to media, who have been working hard to keep media, who have been working hard to keep residents media, who have been working hard to keep residents informed media, who have been working hard to keep residents informed about media, who have been working hard to keep residents informed about the keep residents informed about the situation keep residents informed about the situation through keep residents informed about the situation through their keep residents informed about the situation through their channels keep residents informed about the situation through their channels as situation through their channels as well. situation through their channels as well. Our situation through their channels as well. Our colleague, well. Our colleague, Christchurch-based well. Our colleague, Christchurch-based MP well. Our colleague, Christchurch-based MP Eugenie well. Our colleague, Christchurch-based MP Eugenie Sage, Christchurch-based MP Eugenie Sage, has Christchurch-based MP Eugenie Sage, has been Christchurch-based MP Eugenie Sage, has been visiting Christchurch-based MP Eugenie Sage, has been visiting Welfare Christchurch-based MP Eugenie Sage, has been visiting Welfare and has been visiting Welfare and Emergency has been visiting Welfare and Emergency management has been visiting Welfare and Emergency management centres has been visiting Welfare and Emergency management centres in Emergency management centres in Christchurch Emergency management centres in Christchurch City, Emergency management centres in Christchurch City, talking Emergency management centres in Christchurch City, talking to Emergency management centres in Christchurch City, talking to Civil Christchurch City, talking to Civil Defence Christchurch City, talking to Civil Defence and Christchurch City, talking to Civil Defence and other Christchurch City, talking to Civil Defence and other volunteers. Christchurch City, talking to Civil Defence and other volunteers. She Defence and other volunteers. She has Defence and other volunteers. She has told Defence and other volunteers. She has told us Defence and other volunteers. She has told us this Defence and other volunteers. She has told us this morning Defence and other volunteers. She has told us this morning she's Defence and other volunteers. She has told us this morning she's found has told us this morning she's found it has told us this morning she's found it very has told us this morning she's found it very heartening has told us this morning she's found it very heartening to has told us this morning she's found it very heartening to see has told us this morning she's found it very heartening to see just has told us this morning she's found it very heartening to see just how it very heartening to see just how well-organised it very heartening to see just how well-organised those it very heartening to see just how well-organised those centres it very heartening to see just how well-organised those centres are it very heartening to see just how well-organised those centres are on well-organised those centres are on incredibly well-organised those centres are on incredibly short well-organised those centres are on incredibly short notice. well-organised those centres are on incredibly short notice. Mr well-organised those centres are on incredibly short notice. Mr Speaker, incredibly short notice. Mr Speaker, it incredibly short notice. Mr Speaker, it is, incredibly short notice. Mr Speaker, it is, once incredibly short notice. Mr Speaker, it is, once again, incredibly short notice. Mr Speaker, it is, once again, a incredibly short notice. Mr Speaker, it is, once again, a deeply it is, once again, a deeply unsettling it is, once again, a deeply unsettling and it is, once again, a deeply unsettling and uncertain it is, once again, a deeply unsettling and uncertain time it is, once again, a deeply unsettling and uncertain time in unsettling and uncertain time in Christchurch. unsettling and uncertain time in Christchurch. The unsettling and uncertain time in Christchurch. The city unsettling and uncertain time in Christchurch. The city has unsettling and uncertain time in Christchurch. The city has been Christchurch. The city has been through Christchurch. The city has been through so Christchurch. The city has been through so much Christchurch. The city has been through so much over Christchurch. The city has been through so much over the Christchurch. The city has been through so much over the course Christchurch. The city has been through so much over the course of through so much over the course of the through so much over the course of the last through so much over the course of the last decade, through so much over the course of the last decade, and through so much over the course of the last decade, and it through so much over the course of the last decade, and it is the last decade, and it is absolutely the last decade, and it is absolutely heartbreaking the last decade, and it is absolutely heartbreaking to the last decade, and it is absolutely heartbreaking to see absolutely heartbreaking to see people absolutely heartbreaking to see people experiencing absolutely heartbreaking to see people experiencing trauma absolutely heartbreaking to see people experiencing trauma and absolutely heartbreaking to see people experiencing trauma and loss people experiencing trauma and loss all people experiencing trauma and loss all over people experiencing trauma and loss all over again. people experiencing trauma and loss all over again. Cantabrians people experiencing trauma and loss all over again. Cantabrians have people experiencing trauma and loss all over again. Cantabrians have had all over again. Cantabrians have had to all over again. Cantabrians have had to build all over again. Cantabrians have had to build resilience all over again. Cantabrians have had to build resilience and all over again. Cantabrians have had to build resilience and a all over again. Cantabrians have had to build resilience and a community to build resilience and a community spirit to build resilience and a community spirit to to build resilience and a community spirit to get to build resilience and a community spirit to get them to build resilience and a community spirit to get them through to build resilience and a community spirit to get them through the to build resilience and a community spirit to get them through the last spirit to get them through the last few spirit to get them through the last few years. spirit to get them through the last few years. Once spirit to get them through the last few years. Once again, spirit to get them through the last few years. Once again, we spirit to get them through the last few years. Once again, we are spirit to get them through the last few years. Once again, we are seeing few years. Once again, we are seeing that few years. Once again, we are seeing that coming few years. Once again, we are seeing that coming to few years. Once again, we are seeing that coming to the few years. Once again, we are seeing that coming to the fore. few years. Once again, we are seeing that coming to the fore. It few years. Once again, we are seeing that coming to the fore. It is that coming to the fore. It is obviously that coming to the fore. It is obviously tremendously that coming to the fore. It is obviously tremendously frightening obviously tremendously frightening for obviously tremendously frightening for residents obviously tremendously frightening for residents to obviously tremendously frightening for residents to watch obviously tremendously frightening for residents to watch the obviously tremendously frightening for residents to watch the glow obviously tremendously frightening for residents to watch the glow of for residents to watch the glow of the for residents to watch the glow of the fire for residents to watch the glow of the fire on for residents to watch the glow of the fire on the for residents to watch the glow of the fire on the Hills for residents to watch the glow of the fire on the Hills at for residents to watch the glow of the fire on the Hills at night for residents to watch the glow of the fire on the Hills at night and the fire on the Hills at night and to the fire on the Hills at night and to see the fire on the Hills at night and to see those the fire on the Hills at night and to see those brave the fire on the Hills at night and to see those brave people the fire on the Hills at night and to see those brave people and to see those brave people and helicopters to see those brave people and helicopters disappearing to see those brave people and helicopters disappearing into to see those brave people and helicopters disappearing into the helicopters disappearing into the huge helicopters disappearing into the huge plumes helicopters disappearing into the huge plumes of helicopters disappearing into the huge plumes of smoke helicopters disappearing into the huge plumes of smoke to helicopters disappearing into the huge plumes of smoke to subdue helicopters disappearing into the huge plumes of smoke to subdue the huge plumes of smoke to subdue the flames. huge plumes of smoke to subdue the flames. Many huge plumes of smoke to subdue the flames. Many in huge plumes of smoke to subdue the flames. Many in the huge plumes of smoke to subdue the flames. Many in the city huge plumes of smoke to subdue the flames. Many in the city will huge plumes of smoke to subdue the flames. Many in the city will be flames. Many in the city will be feeling flames. Many in the city will be feeling the flames. Many in the city will be feeling the uncertainty flames. Many in the city will be feeling the uncertainty and flames. Many in the city will be feeling the uncertainty and the feeling the uncertainty and the anxiety feeling the uncertainty and the anxiety that feeling the uncertainty and the anxiety that comes feeling the uncertainty and the anxiety that comes with feeling the uncertainty and the anxiety that comes with an feeling the uncertainty and the anxiety that comes with an emergency anxiety that comes with an emergency of anxiety that comes with an emergency of this anxiety that comes with an emergency of this nature. anxiety that comes with an emergency of this nature. So anxiety that comes with an emergency of this nature. So it's anxiety that comes with an emergency of this nature. So it's a anxiety that comes with an emergency of this nature. So it's a good anxiety that comes with an emergency of this nature. So it's a good time of this nature. So it's a good time to of this nature. So it's a good time to reach of this nature. So it's a good time to reach out of this nature. So it's a good time to reach out to of this nature. So it's a good time to reach out to neighbours, of this nature. So it's a good time to reach out to neighbours, to of this nature. So it's a good time to reach out to neighbours, to work to reach out to neighbours, to work colleagues, to reach out to neighbours, to work colleagues, and to reach out to neighbours, to work colleagues, and to to reach out to neighbours, to work colleagues, and to anyone to reach out to neighbours, to work colleagues, and to anyone who to reach out to neighbours, to work colleagues, and to anyone who may to reach out to neighbours, to work colleagues, and to anyone who may be colleagues, and to anyone who may be feeling colleagues, and to anyone who may be feeling vulnerable colleagues, and to anyone who may be feeling vulnerable or colleagues, and to anyone who may be feeling vulnerable or anxious. colleagues, and to anyone who may be feeling vulnerable or anxious. The feeling vulnerable or anxious. The community feeling vulnerable or anxious. The community support feeling vulnerable or anxious. The community support and feeling vulnerable or anxious. The community support and the feeling vulnerable or anxious. The community support and the kindness community support and the kindness of community support and the kindness of residents community support and the kindness of residents and community support and the kindness of residents and strangers community support and the kindness of residents and strangers was community support and the kindness of residents and strangers was an of residents and strangers was an enormous of residents and strangers was an enormous help of residents and strangers was an enormous help in of residents and strangers was an enormous help in the of residents and strangers was an enormous help in the aftermath of residents and strangers was an enormous help in the aftermath of enormous help in the aftermath of the enormous help in the aftermath of the earthquake. enormous help in the aftermath of the earthquake. It enormous help in the aftermath of the earthquake. It will enormous help in the aftermath of the earthquake. It will be, enormous help in the aftermath of the earthquake. It will be, once the earthquake. It will be, once again, the earthquake. It will be, once again, in the earthquake. It will be, once again, in helping the earthquake. It will be, once again, in helping the the earthquake. It will be, once again, in helping the city the earthquake. It will be, once again, in helping the city to again, in helping the city to recover again, in helping the city to recover from again, in helping the city to recover from this again, in helping the city to recover from this emergency. again, in helping the city to recover from this emergency. Kia recover from this emergency. Kia kaha, recover from this emergency. Kia kaha, Christchurch. recover from this emergency. Kia kaha, Christchurch. Ron recover from this emergency. Kia kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. recover from this emergency. Kia kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. Thank kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. Thank you, kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is a kaha, Christchurch. Ron Mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. It is a privilege you, Mr Speaker. It is a privilege to you, Mr Speaker. It is a privilege to rise you, Mr Speaker. It is a privilege to rise on you, Mr Speaker. It is a privilege to rise on behalf you, Mr Speaker. It is a privilege to rise on behalf of you, Mr Speaker. It is a privilege to rise on behalf of New you, Mr Speaker. It is a privilege to rise on behalf of New Zealand to rise on behalf of New Zealand First to rise on behalf of New Zealand First in to rise on behalf of New Zealand First in support to rise on behalf of New Zealand First in support of to rise on behalf of New Zealand First in support of the to rise on behalf of New Zealand First in support of the minister's First in support of the minister's motion, First in support of the minister's motion, and First in support of the minister's motion, and to First in support of the minister's motion, and to endorse First in support of the minister's motion, and to endorse and First in support of the minister's motion, and to endorse and support motion, and to endorse and support all motion, and to endorse and support all of motion, and to endorse and support all of the motion, and to endorse and support all of the comments motion, and to endorse and support all of the comments made motion, and to endorse and support all of the comments made by motion, and to endorse and support all of the comments made by the all of the comments made by the previous all of the comments made by the previous speakers all of the comments made by the previous speakers from all of the comments made by the previous speakers from the all of the comments made by the previous speakers from the various previous speakers from the various political previous speakers from the various political parties previous speakers from the various political parties who've previous speakers from the various political parties who've spoken previous speakers from the various political parties who've spoken thus political parties who've spoken thus far. political parties who've spoken thus far. Mr political parties who've spoken thus far. Mr Speaker, political parties who've spoken thus far. Mr Speaker, it political parties who've spoken thus far. Mr Speaker, it is political parties who've spoken thus far. Mr Speaker, it is our political parties who've spoken thus far. Mr Speaker, it is our party's far. Mr Speaker, it is our party's desire far. Mr Speaker, it is our party's desire that far. Mr Speaker, it is our party's desire that we far. Mr Speaker, it is our party's desire that we express, far. Mr Speaker, it is our party's desire that we express, along far. Mr Speaker, it is our party's desire that we express, along with desire that we express, along with the desire that we express, along with the parliament, desire that we express, along with the parliament, our desire that we express, along with the parliament, our solidarity desire that we express, along with the parliament, our solidarity with the parliament, our solidarity with the the parliament, our solidarity with the people the parliament, our solidarity with the people of the parliament, our solidarity with the people of Christchurch the parliament, our solidarity with the people of Christchurch - the people of Christchurch - especially the people of Christchurch - especially those the people of Christchurch - especially those of the people of Christchurch - especially those of the the people of Christchurch - especially those of the families the people of Christchurch - especially those of the families of especially those of the families of the especially those of the families of the first especially those of the families of the first respondents especially those of the families of the first respondents who especially those of the families of the first respondents who are especially those of the families of the first respondents who are in especially those of the families of the first respondents who are in the the first respondents who are in the field the first respondents who are in the field doing the first respondents who are in the field doing their the first respondents who are in the field doing their duty the first respondents who are in the field doing their duty right the first respondents who are in the field doing their duty right now. the first respondents who are in the field doing their duty right now. 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To the police officers who thank you. To the police officers who are thank you. To the police officers who are involved, thank you. To the police officers who are involved, protecting thank you. To the police officers who are involved, protecting life thank you. 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And the intensity and the size of the fire, intensity and the size of the fire, I intensity and the size of the fire, I am intensity and the size of the fire, I am advised, intensity and the size of the fire, I am advised, is intensity and the size of the fire, I am advised, is in intensity and the size of the fire, I am advised, is in its intensity and the size of the fire, I am advised, is in its own intensity and the size of the fire, I am advised, is in its own way I am advised, is in its own way restricting I am advised, is in its own way restricting the I am advised, is in its own way restricting the number I am advised, is in its own way restricting the number of restricting the number of firefighters restricting the number of firefighters that restricting the number of firefighters that can restricting the number of firefighters that can be restricting the number of firefighters that can be safely restricting the number of firefighters that can be safely put firefighters that can be safely put on firefighters that can be safely put on the firefighters that can be safely put on the ground. firefighters that can be safely put on the ground. Mr firefighters that can be safely put on the ground. Mr Speaker, firefighters that can be safely put on the ground. Mr Speaker, there firefighters that can be safely put on the ground. Mr Speaker, there are on the ground. Mr Speaker, there are currently on the ground. Mr Speaker, there are currently some on the ground. Mr Speaker, there are currently some 20 on the ground. Mr Speaker, there are currently some 20 rural on the ground. Mr Speaker, there are currently some 20 rural crews on the ground. Mr Speaker, there are currently some 20 rural crews and on the ground. Mr Speaker, there are currently some 20 rural crews and 20 currently some 20 rural crews and 20 urban currently some 20 rural crews and 20 urban crews currently some 20 rural crews and 20 urban crews working currently some 20 rural crews and 20 urban crews working in currently some 20 rural crews and 20 urban crews working in the currently some 20 rural crews and 20 urban crews working in the area currently some 20 rural crews and 20 urban crews working in the area - urban crews working in the area - three urban crews working in the area - three fixed-wing urban crews working in the area - three fixed-wing aircraft urban crews working in the area - three fixed-wing aircraft and urban crews working in the area - three fixed-wing aircraft and 13 three fixed-wing aircraft and 13 helicopters. three fixed-wing aircraft and 13 helicopters. Crews three fixed-wing aircraft and 13 helicopters. Crews are three fixed-wing aircraft and 13 helicopters. Crews are coming three fixed-wing aircraft and 13 helicopters. Crews are coming from helicopters. Crews are coming from other helicopters. Crews are coming from other parts helicopters. Crews are coming from other parts of helicopters. Crews are coming from other parts of the helicopters. Crews are coming from other parts of the country helicopters. Crews are coming from other parts of the country - helicopters. Crews are coming from other parts of the country - a helicopters. Crews are coming from other parts of the country - a crew other parts of the country - a crew is other parts of the country - a crew is on other parts of the country - a crew is on its other parts of the country - a crew is on its way other parts of the country - a crew is on its way north other parts of the country - a crew is on its way north from other parts of the country - a crew is on its way north from Dunedin. other parts of the country - a crew is on its way north from Dunedin. Mr is on its way north from Dunedin. Mr Speaker, is on its way north from Dunedin. Mr Speaker, the is on its way north from Dunedin. Mr Speaker, the advice is on its way north from Dunedin. Mr Speaker, the advice that is on its way north from Dunedin. Mr Speaker, the advice that I've Speaker, the advice that I've received Speaker, the advice that I've received is Speaker, the advice that I've received is that Speaker, the advice that I've received is that the Speaker, the advice that I've received is that the main Speaker, the advice that I've received is that the main tactic, Speaker, the advice that I've received is that the main tactic, at received is that the main tactic, at present, received is that the main tactic, at present, is received is that the main tactic, at present, is an received is that the main tactic, at present, is an aerial received is that the main tactic, at present, is an aerial attack received is that the main tactic, at present, is an aerial attack to present, is an aerial attack to fight present, is an aerial attack to fight the present, is an aerial attack to fight the most present, is an aerial attack to fight the most intense present, is an aerial attack to fight the most intense parts present, is an aerial attack to fight the most intense parts of present, is an aerial attack to fight the most intense parts of the fight the most intense parts of the fire. fight the most intense parts of the fire. This fight the most intense parts of the fire. This is fight the most intense parts of the fire. This is being fight the most intense parts of the fire. This is being supported fight the most intense parts of the fire. This is being supported by fire. This is being supported by firefighters fire. This is being supported by firefighters on fire. This is being supported by firefighters on the fire. This is being supported by firefighters on the ground fire. This is being supported by firefighters on the ground who fire. This is being supported by firefighters on the ground who are firefighters on the ground who are being firefighters on the ground who are being strategically firefighters on the ground who are being strategically positioned being strategically positioned around being strategically positioned around Christchurch being strategically positioned around Christchurch to being strategically positioned around Christchurch to protect being strategically positioned around Christchurch to protect life around Christchurch to protect life and around Christchurch to protect life and property. around Christchurch to protect life and property. Mr around Christchurch to protect life and property. Mr Speaker, around Christchurch to protect life and property. Mr Speaker, as around Christchurch to protect life and property. Mr Speaker, as has and property. Mr Speaker, as has been and property. Mr Speaker, as has been reported and property. Mr Speaker, as has been reported elsewhere, and property. Mr Speaker, as has been reported elsewhere, this and property. Mr Speaker, as has been reported elsewhere, this is and property. Mr Speaker, as has been reported elsewhere, this is a been reported elsewhere, this is a rapidly been reported elsewhere, this is a rapidly moving been reported elsewhere, this is a rapidly moving and been reported elsewhere, this is a rapidly moving and changing been reported elsewhere, this is a rapidly moving and changing fire, rapidly moving and changing fire, and rapidly moving and changing fire, and it rapidly moving and changing fire, and it brings rapidly moving and changing fire, and it brings with rapidly moving and changing fire, and it brings with it rapidly moving and changing fire, and it brings with it those rapidly moving and changing fire, and it brings with it those huge and it brings with it those huge emotional and it brings with it those huge emotional impacts and it brings with it those huge emotional impacts of and it brings with it those huge emotional impacts of people and it brings with it those huge emotional impacts of people who and it brings with it those huge emotional impacts of people who fear emotional impacts of people who fear property emotional impacts of people who fear property loss, emotional impacts of people who fear property loss, who emotional impacts of people who fear property loss, who fear emotional impacts of people who fear property loss, who fear for emotional impacts of people who fear property loss, who fear for their property loss, who fear for their safety, property loss, who fear for their safety, who property loss, who fear for their safety, who fear property loss, who fear for their safety, who fear for property loss, who fear for their safety, who fear for their safety, who fear for their livelihoods. safety, who fear for their livelihoods. And safety, who fear for their livelihoods. And for safety, who fear for their livelihoods. And for their safety, who fear for their livelihoods. And for their wider livelihoods. And for their wider families livelihoods. And for their wider families who livelihoods. And for their wider families who fear livelihoods. And for their wider families who fear for livelihoods. And for their wider families who fear for them, livelihoods. And for their wider families who fear for them, I livelihoods. And for their wider families who fear for them, I have families who fear for them, I have family families who fear for them, I have family living families who fear for them, I have family living in families who fear for them, I have family living in the families who fear for them, I have family living in the affected families who fear for them, I have family living in the affected area families who fear for them, I have family living in the affected area - family living in the affected area - I family living in the affected area - I think family living in the affected area - I think they're family living in the affected area - I think they're OK, family living in the affected area - I think they're OK, but family living in the affected area - I think they're OK, but my family living in the affected area - I think they're OK, but my attempts I think they're OK, but my attempts to I think they're OK, but my attempts to make I think they're OK, but my attempts to make contact, I think they're OK, but my attempts to make contact, so I think they're OK, but my attempts to make contact, so far, I think they're OK, but my attempts to make contact, so far, have I think they're OK, but my attempts to make contact, so far, have been to make contact, so far, have been typically to make contact, so far, have been typically to to make contact, so far, have been typically to no to make contact, so far, have been typically to no avail. to make contact, so far, have been typically to no avail. But to make contact, so far, have been typically to no avail. But there typically to no avail. But there will typically to no avail. But there will be typically to no avail. But there will be many typically to no avail. But there will be many people typically to no avail. But there will be many people around typically to no avail. But there will be many people around New will be many people around New Zealand will be many people around New Zealand wondering will be many people around New Zealand wondering similarly, will be many people around New Zealand wondering similarly, and Zealand wondering similarly, and wondering Zealand wondering similarly, and wondering what Zealand wondering similarly, and wondering what it Zealand wondering similarly, and wondering what it means Zealand wondering similarly, and wondering what it means - Zealand wondering similarly, and wondering what it means - is Zealand wondering similarly, and wondering what it means - is this, wondering what it means - is this, yet wondering what it means - is this, yet again, wondering what it means - is this, yet again, another wondering what it means - is this, yet again, another natural wondering what it means - is this, yet again, another natural disaster yet again, another natural disaster for yet again, another natural disaster for this yet again, another natural disaster for this city, yet again, another natural disaster for this city, which yet again, another natural disaster for this city, which has yet again, another natural disaster for this city, which has suffered for this city, which has suffered and for this city, which has suffered and so for this city, which has suffered and so much for this city, which has suffered and so much in for this city, which has suffered and so much in recent for this city, which has suffered and so much in recent years? for this city, which has suffered and so much in recent years? And and so much in recent years? And will and so much in recent years? And will that and so much in recent years? And will that spirit and so much in recent years? And will that spirit of and so much in recent years? And will that spirit of resilience and so much in recent years? And will that spirit of resilience which will that spirit of resilience which people will that spirit of resilience which people have will that spirit of resilience which people have spoken will that spirit of resilience which people have spoken of will that spirit of resilience which people have spoken of and will that spirit of resilience which people have spoken of and admired will that spirit of resilience which people have spoken of and admired so people have spoken of and admired so much people have spoken of and admired so much come people have spoken of and admired so much come to people have spoken of and admired so much come to the people have spoken of and admired so much come to the fore people have spoken of and admired so much come to the fore again? people have spoken of and admired so much come to the fore again? We people have spoken of and admired so much come to the fore again? We have much come to the fore again? We have to much come to the fore again? 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Mr Speaker, someone said to me just Speaker, someone said to me just before Speaker, someone said to me just before I Speaker, someone said to me just before I came Speaker, someone said to me just before I came to Speaker, someone said to me just before I came to the Speaker, someone said to me just before I came to the House Speaker, someone said to me just before I came to the House today before I came to the House today that before I came to the House today that there's before I came to the House today that there's something before I came to the House today that there's something very before I came to the House today that there's something very weird that there's something very weird going that there's something very weird going on that there's something very weird going on here. that there's something very weird going on here. We that there's something very weird going on here. We are that there's something very weird going on here. We are used that there's something very weird going on here. We are used to going on here. We are used to looking going on here. We are used to looking at going on here. We are used to looking at these going on here. We are used to looking at these sorts going on here. We are used to looking at these sorts of going on here. We are used to looking at these sorts of scenes looking at these sorts of scenes from looking at these sorts of scenes from Australia. looking at these sorts of scenes from Australia. The looking at these sorts of scenes from Australia. The fact looking at these sorts of scenes from Australia. The fact that looking at these sorts of scenes from Australia. The fact that our from Australia. The fact that our second-largest from Australia. The fact that our second-largest city from Australia. The fact that our second-largest city is from Australia. The fact that our second-largest city is now from Australia. The fact that our second-largest city is now home, from Australia. The fact that our second-largest city is now home, if second-largest city is now home, if you second-largest city is now home, if you like, second-largest city is now home, if you like, to second-largest city is now home, if you like, to the second-largest city is now home, if you like, to the sorts second-largest city is now home, if you like, to the sorts of second-largest city is now home, if you like, to the sorts of scenes second-largest city is now home, if you like, to the sorts of scenes we you like, to the sorts of scenes we normally you like, to the sorts of scenes we normally associate you like, to the sorts of scenes we normally associate with you like, to the sorts of scenes we normally associate with Western normally associate with Western Sydney normally associate with Western Sydney and normally associate with Western Sydney and parts normally associate with Western Sydney and parts of normally associate with Western Sydney and parts of Victoria normally associate with Western Sydney and parts of Victoria is Sydney and parts of Victoria is extraordinarily Sydney and parts of Victoria is extraordinarily disturbing. Sydney and parts of Victoria is extraordinarily disturbing. Others extraordinarily disturbing. Others will extraordinarily disturbing. Others will draw extraordinarily disturbing. Others will draw their extraordinarily disturbing. Others will draw their conclusions extraordinarily disturbing. Others will draw their conclusions as extraordinarily disturbing. Others will draw their conclusions as to will draw their conclusions as to the will draw their conclusions as to the reasons will draw their conclusions as to the reasons why. will draw their conclusions as to the reasons why. Mr will draw their conclusions as to the reasons why. Mr Speaker, will draw their conclusions as to the reasons why. Mr Speaker, I the reasons why. Mr Speaker, I simply the reasons why. Mr Speaker, I simply want, the reasons why. Mr Speaker, I simply want, again, the reasons why. Mr Speaker, I simply want, again, to the reasons why. Mr Speaker, I simply want, again, to express the reasons why. Mr Speaker, I simply want, again, to express my simply want, again, to express my huge simply want, again, to express my huge thanks simply want, again, to express my huge thanks to simply want, again, to express my huge thanks to the simply want, again, to express my huge thanks to the men simply want, again, to express my huge thanks to the men and simply want, again, to express my huge thanks to the men and women simply want, again, to express my huge thanks to the men and women of huge thanks to the men and women of the huge thanks to the men and women of the NZ huge thanks to the men and women of the NZ Fire huge thanks to the men and women of the NZ Fire Service, huge thanks to the men and women of the NZ Fire Service, rural the NZ Fire Service, rural firefighters, the NZ Fire Service, rural firefighters, and the NZ Fire Service, rural firefighters, and our the NZ Fire Service, rural firefighters, and our emergency firefighters, and our emergency services firefighters, and our emergency services for firefighters, and our emergency services for the firefighters, and our emergency services for the work firefighters, and our emergency services for the work that firefighters, and our emergency services for the work that they firefighters, and our emergency services for the work that they are services for the work that they are doing services for the work that they are doing in services for the work that they are doing in Christchurch. services for the work that they are doing in Christchurch. There services for the work that they are doing in Christchurch. There will doing in Christchurch. There will inevitably doing in Christchurch. There will inevitably be doing in Christchurch. There will inevitably be a doing in Christchurch. There will inevitably be a debrief doing in Christchurch. There will inevitably be a debrief afterwards inevitably be a debrief afterwards as inevitably be a debrief afterwards as to inevitably be a debrief afterwards as to the inevitably be a debrief afterwards as to the lessons, inevitably be a debrief afterwards as to the lessons, and inevitably be a debrief afterwards as to the lessons, and we inevitably be a debrief afterwards as to the lessons, and we will inevitably be a debrief afterwards as to the lessons, and we will await as to the lessons, and we will await the as to the lessons, and we will await the outcome as to the lessons, and we will await the outcome with as to the lessons, and we will await the outcome with appropriate the outcome with appropriate interest. the outcome with appropriate interest. My the outcome with appropriate interest. My sympathy the outcome with appropriate interest. My sympathy and the outcome with appropriate interest. My sympathy and support the outcome with appropriate interest. My sympathy and support to interest. My sympathy and support to the interest. My sympathy and support to the people interest. My sympathy and support to the people of interest. My sympathy and support to the people of Christchurch interest. My sympathy and support to the people of Christchurch in interest. My sympathy and support to the people of Christchurch in this the people of Christchurch in this moment the people of Christchurch in this moment of the people of Christchurch in this moment of trial the people of Christchurch in this moment of trial and, the people of Christchurch in this moment of trial and, sir, the people of Christchurch in this moment of trial and, sir, I the people of Christchurch in this moment of trial and, sir, I think moment of trial and, sir, I think that moment of trial and, sir, I think that the moment of trial and, sir, I think that the House moment of trial and, sir, I think that the House can moment of trial and, sir, I think that the House can show moment of trial and, sir, I think that the House can show them moment of trial and, sir, I think that the House can show them proper that the House can show them proper respect that the House can show them proper respect and that the House can show them proper respect and due that the House can show them proper respect and due support that the House can show them proper respect and due support today that the House can show them proper respect and due support today by respect and due support today by passing respect and due support today by passing this respect and due support today by passing this motion. respect and due support today by passing this motion. The respect and due support today by passing this motion. The question respect and due support today by passing this motion. The question is passing this motion. The question is that passing this motion. The question is that the passing this motion. The question is that the motion passing this motion. The question is that the motion be passing this motion. The question is that the motion be agreed passing this motion. The question is that the motion be agreed to. passing this motion. The question is that the motion be agreed to. Those that the motion be agreed to. Those of that the motion be agreed to. Those of that that the motion be agreed to. Those of that opinion that the motion be agreed to. Those of that opinion will that the motion be agreed to. Those of that opinion will say Aye. that the motion be agreed to. Those of that opinion will say Aye. To that the motion be agreed to. Those of that opinion will say Aye. To the of that opinion will say Aye. To the contrary, of that opinion will say Aye. To the contrary, No. of that opinion will say Aye. To the contrary, No. The of that opinion will say Aye. To the contrary, No. The Ayes of that opinion will say Aye. To the contrary, No. The Ayes have of that opinion will say Aye. To the contrary, No. The Ayes have it. of that opinion will say Aye. To the contrary, No. The Ayes have it. The contrary, No. The Ayes have it. The House contrary, No. The Ayes have it. The House now contrary, No. The Ayes have it. The House now comes contrary, No. The Ayes have it. The House now comes to contrary, No. The Ayes have it. The House now comes to Oral contrary, No. The Ayes have it. The House now comes to Oral Questions. House now comes to Oral Questions. Question House now comes to Oral Questions. Question No. House now comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, House now comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in House now comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in the House now comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in the name House now comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in the name of House now comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1, in the name of the Question No. 1, in the name of the Hon Question No. 1, in the name of the Hon Annette Question No. 1, in the name of the Hon Annette King. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: Minister of Health: Is Minister of Health: Is he Minister of Health: Is he satisfied Minister of Health: Is he satisfied that Minister of Health: Is he satisfied that the Minister of Health: Is he satisfied that the current Is he satisfied that the current level Is he satisfied that the current level of Is he satisfied that the current level of investment level of investment into level of investment into public level of investment into public health level of investment into public health facilities into public health facilities and into public health facilities and services and services is and services is meeting and services is meeting acceptable and services is meeting acceptable standards is meeting acceptable standards and is meeting acceptable standards and patient is meeting acceptable standards and patient needs? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, yes. Mr Speaker, yes. The Mr Speaker, yes. The Government Mr Speaker, yes. The Government has Mr Speaker, yes. The Government has invested Mr Speaker, yes. The Government has invested $1.7 Mr Speaker, yes. The Government has invested $1.7 billion Mr Speaker, yes. The Government has invested $1.7 billion into Mr Speaker, yes. The Government has invested $1.7 billion into new Mr Speaker, yes. The Government has invested $1.7 billion into new or invested $1.7 billion into new or refurbished invested $1.7 billion into new or refurbished health invested $1.7 billion into new or refurbished health facilities invested $1.7 billion into new or refurbished health facilities over refurbished health facilities over the refurbished health facilities over the past refurbished health facilities over the past eight refurbished health facilities over the past eight years refurbished health facilities over the past eight years up refurbished health facilities over the past eight years up and refurbished health facilities over the past eight years up and down refurbished health facilities over the past eight years up and down the the past eight years up and down the country. the past eight years up and down the country. The the past eight years up and down the country. The list the past eight years up and down the country. The list is the past eight years up and down the country. The list is long, the past eight years up and down the country. The list is long, but the past eight years up and down the country. The list is long, but some country. The list is long, but some exemples country. The list is long, but some exemples include country. The list is long, but some exemples include major country. The list is long, but some exemples include major upgrades country. The list is long, but some exemples include major upgrades at exemples include major upgrades at Waikato exemples include major upgrades at Waikato and exemples include major upgrades at Waikato and wite exemples include major upgrades at Waikato and wite matta, exemples include major upgrades at Waikato and wite matta, and exemples include major upgrades at Waikato and wite matta, and new Waikato and wite matta, and new facilities Waikato and wite matta, and new facilities at Waikato and wite matta, and new facilities at Whakatane, Waikato and wite matta, and new facilities at Whakatane, New facilities at Whakatane, New Plymouth facilities at Whakatane, New Plymouth and facilities at Whakatane, New Plymouth and Canterbury. facilities at Whakatane, New Plymouth and Canterbury. West facilities at Whakatane, New Plymouth and Canterbury. West Coast Plymouth and Canterbury. West Coast is Plymouth and Canterbury. West Coast is next, Plymouth and Canterbury. West Coast is next, then Plymouth and Canterbury. West Coast is next, then Dunedin. Plymouth and Canterbury. West Coast is next, then Dunedin. In Plymouth and Canterbury. West Coast is next, then Dunedin. In terms Plymouth and Canterbury. West Coast is next, then Dunedin. In terms of is next, then Dunedin. In terms of New is next, then Dunedin. In terms of New Zealand's is next, then Dunedin. In terms of New Zealand's 100-plus is next, then Dunedin. 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But, of course, there's always this Government. But, of course, there's always mere this Government. But, of course, there's always mere to this Government. But, of course, there's always mere to do. this Government. But, of course, there's always mere to do. In this Government. But, of course, there's always mere to do. In light there's always mere to do. In light of there's always mere to do. In light of that there's always mere to do. In light of that answer, there's always mere to do. In light of that answer, why there's always mere to do. In light of that answer, why has there's always mere to do. In light of that answer, why has he there's always mere to do. In light of that answer, why has he not there's always mere to do. In light of that answer, why has he not taken of that answer, why has he not taken action of that answer, why has he not taken action to of that answer, why has he not taken action to address of that answer, why has he not taken action to address the of that answer, why has he not taken action to address the permanent action to address the permanent overcrowding action to address the permanent overcrowding of action to address the permanent overcrowding of the action to address the permanent overcrowding of the Emergency overcrowding of the Emergency Department overcrowding of the Emergency Department at overcrowding of the Emergency Department at Waikato overcrowding of the Emergency Department at Waikato Hospital, Department at Waikato Hospital, which Department at Waikato Hospital, which led Department at Waikato Hospital, which led to Department at Waikato Hospital, which led to management Department at Waikato Hospital, which led to management wanting Department at Waikato Hospital, which led to management wanting to which led to management wanting to put which led to management wanting to put beds which led to management wanting to put beds in which led to management wanting to put beds in the which led to management wanting to put beds in the corridors which led to management wanting to put beds in the corridors with put beds in the corridors with patients put beds in the corridors with patients being put beds in the corridors with patients being given put beds in the corridors with patients being given cowbells put beds in the corridors with patients being given cowbells to patients being given cowbells to ring patients being given cowbells to ring the patients being given cowbells to ring the nurses? patients being given cowbells to ring the nurses? 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I what's happening in our EDs around the country. I specifically what's happening in our EDs around the country. I specifically spoke the country. I specifically spoke about the country. I specifically spoke about Waikato. the country. I specifically spoke about Waikato. They the country. I specifically spoke about Waikato. They have the country. I specifically spoke about Waikato. They have got the country. I specifically spoke about Waikato. They have got a the country. I specifically spoke about Waikato. They have got a very about Waikato. They have got a very specific about Waikato. They have got a very specific plan about Waikato. They have got a very specific plan around about Waikato. They have got a very specific plan around the about Waikato. They have got a very specific plan around the ED about Waikato. They have got a very specific plan around the ED there, specific plan around the ED there, and specific plan around the ED there, and I'd specific plan around the ED there, and I'd just specific plan around the ED there, and I'd just remind specific plan around the ED there, and I'd just remind the specific plan around the ED there, and I'd just remind the member specific plan around the ED there, and I'd just remind the member that, and I'd just remind the member that, in and I'd just remind the member that, in the and I'd just remind the member that, in the last and I'd just remind the member that, in the last budget, and I'd just remind the member that, in the last budget, Waikato's in the last budget, Waikato's funding in the last budget, Waikato's funding went in the last budget, Waikato's funding went up in the last budget, Waikato's funding went up by in the last budget, Waikato's funding went up by $55 in the last budget, Waikato's funding went up by $55 million. funding went up by $55 million. They've funding went up by $55 million. They've had funding went up by $55 million. They've had an funding went up by $55 million. They've had an extra funding went up by $55 million. They've had an extra $351 funding went up by $55 million. They've had an extra $351 million They've had an extra $351 million over They've had an extra $351 million over the They've had an extra $351 million over the past They've had an extra $351 million over the past eight They've had an extra $351 million over the past eight years. They've had an extra $351 million over the past eight years. Of over the past eight years. Of course, over the past eight years. Of course, they've over the past eight years. Of course, they've also over the past eight years. Of course, they've also had over the past eight years. Of course, they've also had that over the past eight years. Of course, they've also had that major course, they've also had that major upgrade course, they've also had that major upgrade of course, they've also had that major upgrade of their course, they've also had that major upgrade of their facilities. course, they've also had that major upgrade of their facilities. And upgrade of their facilities. And they upgrade of their facilities. And they are upgrade of their facilities. And they are providing upgrade of their facilities. And they are providing very, upgrade of their facilities. And they are providing very, very upgrade of their facilities. And they are providing very, very good they are providing very, very good services they are providing very, very good services to they are providing very, very good services to the they are providing very, very good services to the people they are providing very, very good services to the people of they are providing very, very good services to the people of Waikato services to the people of Waikato catchment services to the people of Waikato catchment area. services to the people of Waikato catchment area. Why services to the people of Waikato catchment area. Why has services to the people of Waikato catchment area. Why has he services to the people of Waikato catchment area. Why has he allowed catchment area. Why has he allowed Capital catchment area. Why has he allowed Capital & catchment area. Why has he allowed Capital & Coast catchment area. Why has he allowed Capital & Coast DHB catchment area. Why has he allowed Capital & Coast DHB to catchment area. Why has he allowed Capital & Coast DHB to struggle catchment area. Why has he allowed Capital & Coast DHB to struggle to Capital & Coast DHB to struggle to find Capital & Coast DHB to struggle to find the Capital & Coast DHB to struggle to find the capital Capital & Coast DHB to struggle to find the capital funding Capital & Coast DHB to struggle to find the capital funding to Capital & Coast DHB to struggle to find the capital funding to rebuild find the capital funding to rebuild their find the capital funding to rebuild their forensic find the capital funding to rebuild their forensic mental find the capital funding to rebuild their forensic mental health find the capital funding to rebuild their forensic mental health unit, their forensic mental health unit, which their forensic mental health unit, which has their forensic mental health unit, which has reported their forensic mental health unit, which has reported not their forensic mental health unit, which has reported not to their forensic mental health unit, which has reported not to meet their forensic mental health unit, which has reported not to meet fire which has reported not to meet fire or which has reported not to meet fire or health which has reported not to meet fire or health and which has reported not to meet fire or health and safety which has reported not to meet fire or health and safety regulations, which has reported not to meet fire or health and safety regulations, is or health and safety regulations, is not or health and safety regulations, is not fit or health and safety regulations, is not fit for or health and safety regulations, is not fit for purpose, or health and safety regulations, is not fit for purpose, and or health and safety regulations, is not fit for purpose, and from or health and safety regulations, is not fit for purpose, and from which not fit for purpose, and from which 22 not fit for purpose, and from which 22 forensic not fit for purpose, and from which 22 forensic patients not fit for purpose, and from which 22 forensic patients have not fit for purpose, and from which 22 forensic patients have absconded 22 forensic patients have absconded since 22 forensic patients have absconded since 2013? 22 forensic patients have absconded since 2013? Well, 22 forensic patients have absconded since 2013? Well, as 22 forensic patients have absconded since 2013? Well, as the 22 forensic patients have absconded since 2013? Well, as the member since 2013? Well, as the member knows, since 2013? Well, as the member knows, there since 2013? Well, as the member knows, there is since 2013? Well, as the member knows, there is an since 2013? Well, as the member knows, there is an upgrade/rebuild knows, there is an upgrade/rebuild going knows, there is an upgrade/rebuild going on knows, there is an upgrade/rebuild going on at knows, there is an upgrade/rebuild going on at Kinnapuru knows, there is an upgrade/rebuild going on at Kinnapuru Hospital. going on at Kinnapuru Hospital. We've going on at Kinnapuru Hospital. We've actually going on at Kinnapuru Hospital. We've actually turned going on at Kinnapuru Hospital. We've actually turned around going on at Kinnapuru Hospital. We've actually turned around the We've actually turned around the situation We've actually turned around the situation at We've actually turned around the situation at Capital We've actually turned around the situation at Capital & We've actually turned around the situation at Capital & Coast We've actually turned around the situation at Capital & Coast DHB. situation at Capital & Coast DHB. The situation at Capital & Coast DHB. The deficit's situation at Capital & Coast DHB. The deficit's about situation at Capital & Coast DHB. The deficit's about $20 situation at Capital & Coast DHB. The deficit's about $20 million situation at Capital & Coast DHB. The deficit's about $20 million at The deficit's about $20 million at the The deficit's about $20 million at the home The deficit's about $20 million at the home - The deficit's about $20 million at the home - unlike The deficit's about $20 million at the home - unlike the The deficit's about $20 million at the home - unlike the $70 The deficit's about $20 million at the home - unlike the $70 million The deficit's about $20 million at the home - unlike the $70 million we the home - unlike the $70 million we inherited the home - unlike the $70 million we inherited from the home - unlike the $70 million we inherited from Mrs the home - unlike the $70 million we inherited from Mrs King. the home - unlike the $70 million we inherited from Mrs King. Much the home - unlike the $70 million we inherited from Mrs King. Much worse inherited from Mrs King. Much worse than inherited from Mrs King. Much worse than your inherited from Mrs King. Much worse than your time, inherited from Mrs King. Much worse than your time, I'm inherited from Mrs King. Much worse than your time, I'm afraid. inherited from Mrs King. Much worse than your time, I'm afraid. Oh, than your time, I'm afraid. Oh, dear. than your time, I'm afraid. Oh, dear. Back than your time, I'm afraid. Oh, dear. Back to than your time, I'm afraid. Oh, dear. Back to that than your time, I'm afraid. Oh, dear. Back to that old than your time, I'm afraid. Oh, dear. Back to that old stuff, than your time, I'm afraid. Oh, dear. Back to that old stuff, are dear. Back to that old stuff, are we? dear. Back to that old stuff, are we? Order! dear. Back to that old stuff, are we? Order! If dear. Back to that old stuff, are we? Order! If his dear. Back to that old stuff, are we? Order! If his so-called dear. Back to that old stuff, are we? Order! If his so-called "ring we? Order! If his so-called "ring fence" we? Order! If his so-called "ring fence" for we? Order! If his so-called "ring fence" for mental we? Order! If his so-called "ring fence" for mental health we? Order! If his so-called "ring fence" for mental health funding we? Order! If his so-called "ring fence" for mental health funding is fence" for mental health funding is set fence" for mental health funding is set at fence" for mental health funding is set at a fence" for mental health funding is set at a level fence" for mental health funding is set at a level to fence" for mental health funding is set at a level to meet fence" for mental health funding is set at a level to meet growing set at a level to meet growing demands set at a level to meet growing demands for set at a level to meet growing demands for service, set at a level to meet growing demands for service, why set at a level to meet growing demands for service, why did set at a level to meet growing demands for service, why did the demands for service, why did the chief demands for service, why did the chief executive demands for service, why did the chief executive of demands for service, why did the chief executive of Southern demands for service, why did the chief executive of Southern DHB chief executive of Southern DHB admit chief executive of Southern DHB admit yesterday chief executive of Southern DHB admit yesterday that chief executive of Southern DHB admit yesterday that they chief executive of Southern DHB admit yesterday that they "are chief executive of Southern DHB admit yesterday that they "are not admit yesterday that they "are not investing admit yesterday that they "are not investing enough admit yesterday that they "are not investing enough money admit yesterday that they "are not investing enough money into admit yesterday that they "are not investing enough money into primary investing enough money into primary and investing enough money into primary and community investing enough money into primary and community mental investing enough money into primary and community mental health," investing enough money into primary and community mental health," and and community mental health," and the and community mental health," and the only and community mental health," and the only options and community mental health," and the only options were and community mental health," and the only options were for and community mental health," and the only options were for more the only options were for more funding the only options were for more funding or the only options were for more funding or making the only options were for more funding or making tough the only options were for more funding or making tough decisions? funding or making tough decisions? 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We've the Budget at this point. We've actually the Budget at this point. We've actually had the Budget at this point. We've actually had quite the Budget at this point. We've actually had quite a the Budget at this point. We've actually had quite a job the Budget at this point. We've actually had quite a job turning actually had quite a job turning around actually had quite a job turning around the actually had quite a job turning around the mess actually had quite a job turning around the mess at actually had quite a job turning around the mess at Southern actually had quite a job turning around the mess at Southern DHB. actually had quite a job turning around the mess at Southern DHB. As around the mess at Southern DHB. As you around the mess at Southern DHB. As you know, around the mess at Southern DHB. As you know, there's around the mess at Southern DHB. As you know, there's a around the mess at Southern DHB. As you know, there's a commissioner around the mess at Southern DHB. As you know, there's a commissioner in you know, there's a commissioner in there. you know, there's a commissioner in there. We'll you know, there's a commissioner in there. We'll be you know, there's a commissioner in there. We'll be rebuilding you know, there's a commissioner in there. We'll be rebuilding the there. We'll be rebuilding the hospital there. We'll be rebuilding the hospital there. there. We'll be rebuilding the hospital there. And there. We'll be rebuilding the hospital there. And there's there. We'll be rebuilding the hospital there. And there's a there. We'll be rebuilding the hospital there. And there's a firm hospital there. And there's a firm plan hospital there. And there's a firm plan for hospital there. And there's a firm plan for turning hospital there. And there's a firm plan for turning the hospital there. And there's a firm plan for turning the place hospital there. And there's a firm plan for turning the place around. plan for turning the place around. But plan for turning the place around. But we plan for turning the place around. But we had plan for turning the place around. But we had deficits plan for turning the place around. But we had deficits of plan for turning the place around. But we had deficits of $42 plan for turning the place around. But we had deficits of $42 million plan for turning the place around. But we had deficits of $42 million - But we had deficits of $42 million - that's But we had deficits of $42 million - that's now But we had deficits of $42 million - that's now down But we had deficits of $42 million - that's now down to But we had deficits of $42 million - that's now down to $35 But we had deficits of $42 million - that's now down to $35 million, But we had deficits of $42 million - that's now down to $35 million, on that's now down to $35 million, on track that's now down to $35 million, on track for that's now down to $35 million, on track for about that's now down to $35 million, on track for about $26 that's now down to $35 million, on track for about $26 million that's now down to $35 million, on track for about $26 million this track for about $26 million this year. track for about $26 million this year. So track for about $26 million this year. So it's track for about $26 million this year. So it's getting track for about $26 million this year. So it's getting better track for about $26 million this year. So it's getting better all track for about $26 million this year. So it's getting better all the year. So it's getting better all the time. year. So it's getting better all the time. The year. So it's getting better all the time. The key year. So it's getting better all the time. The key thing year. So it's getting better all the time. The key thing is year. So it's getting better all the time. The key thing is - year. So it's getting better all the time. The key thing is - no-one year. So it's getting better all the time. The key thing is - no-one has time. The key thing is - no-one has actually time. The key thing is - no-one has actually missed time. The key thing is - no-one has actually missed out time. The key thing is - no-one has actually missed out on time. The key thing is - no-one has actually missed out on vital actually missed out on vital services actually missed out on vital services there. actually missed out on vital services there. What actually missed out on vital services there. What tough actually missed out on vital services there. What tough decisions services there. What tough decisions does services there. What tough decisions does he services there. What tough decisions does he recommend services there. What tough decisions does he recommend Southern services there. What tough decisions does he recommend Southern DHB services there. What tough decisions does he recommend Southern DHB take does he recommend Southern DHB take in does he recommend Southern DHB take in light does he recommend Southern DHB take in light of does he recommend Southern DHB take in light of the does he recommend Southern DHB take in light of the warning does he recommend Southern DHB take in light of the warning given does he recommend Southern DHB take in light of the warning given by does he recommend Southern DHB take in light of the warning given by the in light of the warning given by the mental in light of the warning given by the mental health in light of the warning given by the mental health and in light of the warning given by the mental health and addiction in light of the warning given by the mental health and addiction Network mental health and addiction Network to mental health and addiction Network to the mental health and addiction Network to the DHB mental health and addiction Network to the DHB that mental health and addiction Network to the DHB that patients mental health and addiction Network to the DHB that patients could mental health and addiction Network to the DHB that patients could be to the DHB that patients could be stranded to the DHB that patients could be stranded without to the DHB that patients could be stranded without services to the DHB that patients could be stranded without services if to the DHB that patients could be stranded without services if extra stranded without services if extra funding stranded without services if extra funding is stranded without services if extra funding is not stranded without services if extra funding is not provided? 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The decisions are always difficult in health but actually the difficult in health but actually the easy difficult in health but actually the easy decision difficult in health but actually the easy decision for difficult in health but actually the easy decision for people difficult in health but actually the easy decision for people in difficult in health but actually the easy decision for people in Dunedin easy decision for people in Dunedin this easy decision for people in Dunedin this year easy decision for people in Dunedin this year will easy decision for people in Dunedin this year will be easy decision for people in Dunedin this year will be to easy decision for people in Dunedin this year will be to vote easy decision for people in Dunedin this year will be to vote for this year will be to vote for National. this year will be to vote for National. That this year will be to vote for National. That would this year will be to vote for National. That would be this year will be to vote for National. That would be stupid. this year will be to vote for National. That would be stupid. How National. That would be stupid. How can National. That would be stupid. How can he National. That would be stupid. How can he continue National. That would be stupid. How can he continue to National. That would be stupid. How can he continue to deny National. That would be stupid. How can he continue to deny under can he continue to deny under funding can he continue to deny under funding of can he continue to deny under funding of mental can he continue to deny under funding of mental health can he continue to deny under funding of mental health services funding of mental health services when funding of mental health services when DHB's funding of mental health services when DHB's acute funding of mental health services when DHB's acute adult funding of mental health services when DHB's acute adult bed funding of mental health services when DHB's acute adult bed numbers when DHB's acute adult bed numbers have when DHB's acute adult bed numbers have decreased when DHB's acute adult bed numbers have decreased since when DHB's acute adult bed numbers have decreased since 2011/12 when DHB's acute adult bed numbers have decreased since 2011/12 in when DHB's acute adult bed numbers have decreased since 2011/12 in the have decreased since 2011/12 in the face have decreased since 2011/12 in the face of have decreased since 2011/12 in the face of increased have decreased since 2011/12 in the face of increased readmission have decreased since 2011/12 in the face of increased readmission rates face of increased readmission rates within face of increased readmission rates within 28 face of increased readmission rates within 28 days face of increased readmission rates within 28 days over face of increased readmission rates within 28 days over the face of increased readmission rates within 28 days over the same face of increased readmission rates within 28 days over the same period? within 28 days over the same period? As within 28 days over the same period? As the within 28 days over the same period? As the member within 28 days over the same period? As the member well within 28 days over the same period? As the member well knows, within 28 days over the same period? As the member well knows, the within 28 days over the same period? As the member well knows, the model As the member well knows, the model of As the member well knows, the model of care As the member well knows, the model of care around As the member well knows, the model of care around mental As the member well knows, the model of care around mental health As the member well knows, the model of care around mental health has of care around mental health has changed of care around mental health has changed dramatically. of care around mental health has changed dramatically. We of care around mental health has changed dramatically. We are changed dramatically. We are actually changed dramatically. We are actually treating changed dramatically. We are actually treating more changed dramatically. We are actually treating more and changed dramatically. We are actually treating more and more actually treating more and more people actually treating more and more people in actually treating more and more people in the actually treating more and more people in the commurnty. actually treating more and more people in the commurnty. That actually treating more and more people in the commurnty. That was people in the commurnty. That was happening people in the commurnty. That was happening under people in the commurnty. That was happening under the people in the commurnty. That was happening under the Labour happening under the Labour Government. happening under the Labour Government. Over happening under the Labour Government. Over the happening under the Labour Government. Over the last happening under the Labour Government. Over the last five happening under the Labour Government. Over the last five years Government. Over the last five years we Government. Over the last five years we are Government. Over the last five years we are treating Government. Over the last five years we are treating an Government. Over the last five years we are treating an extra Government. Over the last five years we are treating an extra 28,000 we are treating an extra 28,000 people we are treating an extra 28,000 people per we are treating an extra 28,000 people per year we are treating an extra 28,000 people per year compared we are treating an extra 28,000 people per year compared to we are treating an extra 28,000 people per year compared to five people per year compared to five years people per year compared to five years ago. people per year compared to five years ago. That people per year compared to five years ago. That is people per year compared to five years ago. That is an people per year compared to five years ago. That is an uplift people per year compared to five years ago. That is an uplift of people per year compared to five years ago. That is an uplift of 20%. years ago. That is an uplift of 20%. So years ago. That is an uplift of 20%. So there's years ago. That is an uplift of 20%. So there's more years ago. That is an uplift of 20%. So there's more people years ago. That is an uplift of 20%. So there's more people we're So there's more people we're treating. So there's more people we're treating. There's So there's more people we're treating. There's more So there's more people we're treating. There's more money So there's more people we're treating. There's more money we So there's more people we're treating. There's more money we are treating. There's more money we are putting treating. There's more money we are putting into treating. There's more money we are putting into it. treating. There's more money we are putting into it. We treating. There's more money we are putting into it. 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The Lala-Wibb site our Good, but not good enough. The Lala-Wibb site our Government Good, but not good enough. 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There meeting Ministry of Health guidelines for swimming. There are guidelines for swimming. There are rivers guidelines for swimming. There are rivers and guidelines for swimming. There are rivers and lakes guidelines for swimming. There are rivers and lakes where guidelines for swimming. There are rivers and lakes where water guidelines for swimming. There are rivers and lakes where water quality rivers and lakes where water quality is rivers and lakes where water quality is unacceptably rivers and lakes where water quality is unacceptably low rivers and lakes where water quality is unacceptably low and rivers and lakes where water quality is unacceptably low and that rivers and lakes where water quality is unacceptably low and that is rivers and lakes where water quality is unacceptably low and that is why is unacceptably low and that is why our is unacceptably low and that is why our Government is unacceptably low and that is why our Government is is unacceptably low and that is why our Government is doing is unacceptably low and that is why our Government is doing so is unacceptably low and that is why our Government is doing so much is unacceptably low and that is why our Government is doing so much work our Government is doing so much work in our Government is doing so much work in this our Government is doing so much work in this area. our Government is doing so much work in this area. I our Government is doing so much work in this area. I am our Government is doing so much work in this area. I am planning our Government is doing so much work in this area. I am planning on in this area. I am planning on releasing in this area. I am planning on releasing comprehensive in this area. 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I draw the member's attention to the draw the member's attention to the Environment draw the member's attention to the Environment Canterbury draw the member's attention to the Environment Canterbury Water draw the member's attention to the Environment Canterbury Water Quality Environment Canterbury Water Quality scientist Environment Canterbury Water Quality scientist who Environment Canterbury Water Quality scientist who pointed Environment Canterbury Water Quality scientist who pointed out Environment Canterbury Water Quality scientist who pointed out that scientist who pointed out that Canterbury scientist who pointed out that Canterbury has scientist who pointed out that Canterbury has had scientist who pointed out that Canterbury has had three scientist who pointed out that Canterbury has had three very scientist who pointed out that Canterbury has had three very dry Canterbury has had three very dry years Canterbury has had three very dry years and Canterbury has had three very dry years and that Canterbury has had three very dry years and that has Canterbury has had three very dry years and that has contributed. 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This Government, with the support around nutrients. This Government, with the support of around nutrients. This Government, with the support of the around nutrients. This Government, with the support of the Environment with the support of the Environment Canterbury with the support of the Environment Canterbury commissioners with the support of the Environment Canterbury commissioners has with the support of the Environment Canterbury commissioners has put with the support of the Environment Canterbury commissioners has put in Canterbury commissioners has put in place Canterbury commissioners has put in place the Canterbury commissioners has put in place the first Canterbury commissioners has put in place the first caps Canterbury commissioners has put in place the first caps and Canterbury commissioners has put in place the first caps and limits Canterbury commissioners has put in place the first caps and limits on place the first caps and limits on nutrients place the first caps and limits on nutrients in place the first caps and limits on nutrients in that place the first caps and limits on nutrients in that region place the first caps and limits on nutrients in that region because nutrients in that region because water nutrients in that region because water quality nutrients in that region because water quality is nutrients in that region because water quality is not nutrients in that region because water quality is not acceptable. Will Will the Will the Government Will the Government commit Will the Government commit to Will the Government commit to doing Will the Government commit to doing whatever Will the Government commit to doing whatever it Will the Government commit to doing whatever it takes, Will the Government commit to doing whatever it takes, including Will the Government commit to doing whatever it takes, including winding whatever it takes, including winding up whatever it takes, including winding up Government whatever it takes, including winding up Government subsidies whatever it takes, including winding up Government subsidies for up Government subsidies for irrigation up Government subsidies for irrigation schemes up Government subsidies for irrigation schemes in up Government subsidies for irrigation schemes in order up Government subsidies for irrigation schemes in order to irrigation schemes in order to prevent irrigation schemes in order to prevent other irrigation schemes in order to prevent other rivers irrigation schemes in order to prevent other rivers in irrigation schemes in order to prevent other rivers in Aotearoa prevent other rivers in Aotearoa suffering prevent other rivers in Aotearoa suffering the prevent other rivers in Aotearoa suffering the same prevent other rivers in Aotearoa suffering the same fete prevent other rivers in Aotearoa suffering the same fete as prevent other rivers in Aotearoa suffering the same fete as the suffering the same fete as the Selwyn suffering the same fete as the Selwyn Waikirikiri suffering the same fete as the Selwyn Waikirikiri river? suffering the same fete as the Selwyn Waikirikiri river? 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The second poor assumption the member makes is lifting. The second poor assumption the member makes is that lifting. The second poor assumption the member makes is that water the member makes is that water storage the member makes is that water storage schemes the member makes is that water storage schemes automatically the member makes is that water storage schemes automatically result storage schemes automatically result in storage schemes automatically result in reduced storage schemes automatically result in reduced water storage schemes automatically result in reduced water quality. storage schemes automatically result in reduced water quality. I storage schemes automatically result in reduced water quality. I could in reduced water quality. I could give in reduced water quality. I could give the in reduced water quality. I could give the member in reduced water quality. I could give the member numerous in reduced water quality. I could give the member numerous examples in reduced water quality. 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What improve water quality and increase horticulture production. What will horticulture production. What will he horticulture production. What will he do horticulture production. What will he do to horticulture production. What will he do to resustain horticulture production. What will he do to resustain the horticulture production. 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It is my hope that before the end of this month we will be able to end of this month we will be able to respond end of this month we will be able to respond to end of this month we will be able to respond to those end of this month we will be able to respond to those submissions end of this month we will be able to respond to those submissions and respond to those submissions and changes respond to those submissions and changes to respond to those submissions and changes to policy. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Civil My question is to the Minister of Civil Defence: Minister of Civil Defence: Can Minister of Civil Defence: Can the Minister of Civil Defence: Can the Government Minister of Civil Defence: Can the Government provide Minister of Civil Defence: Can the Government provide an Minister of Civil Defence: Can the Government provide an update Can the Government provide an update on Can the Government provide an update on the Can the Government provide an update on the response on the response to on the response to the on the response to the Christchurch to the Christchurch and to the Christchurch and Selwyn to the Christchurch and Selwyn District to the Christchurch and Selwyn District fires? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Building My question is to the Minister for Building and My question is to the Minister for Building and Construction: Building and Construction: What Building and Construction: What was Building and Construction: What was the Building and Construction: What was the increase What was the increase in What was the increase in the What was the increase in the housing What was the increase in the housing shortfall What was the increase in the housing shortfall in What was the increase in the housing shortfall in Auckland in the housing shortfall in Auckland between in the housing shortfall in Auckland between June in the housing shortfall in Auckland between June 2008 in the housing shortfall in Auckland between June 2008 and in the housing shortfall in Auckland between June 2008 and June in the housing shortfall in Auckland between June 2008 and June 2016, between June 2008 and June 2016, given between June 2008 and June 2016, given that between June 2008 and June 2016, given that the between June 2008 and June 2016, given that the population given that the population increased given that the population increased by given that the population increased by 208,900, increased by 208,900, meaning increased by 208,900, meaning at increased by 208,900, meaning at 2.7 increased by 208,900, meaning at 2.7 people increased by 208,900, meaning at 2.7 people per increased by 208,900, meaning at 2.7 people per household meaning at 2.7 people per household 77,370 meaning at 2.7 people per household 77,370 additional meaning at 2.7 people per household 77,370 additional houses 77,370 additional houses would 77,370 additional houses would be 77,370 additional houses would be needed? Officials Officials advise Officials advise there Officials advise there are Officials advise there are not Officials advise there are not reliable Officials advise there are not reliable figures Officials advise there are not reliable figures on Officials advise there are not reliable figures on the Officials advise there are not reliable figures on the housing reliable figures on the housing shortfall reliable figures on the housing shortfall and reliable figures on the housing shortfall and variations reliable figures on the housing shortfall and variations in shortfall and variations in assumptions shortfall and variations in assumptions can shortfall and variations in assumptions can shift shortfall and variations in assumptions can shift the shortfall and variations in assumptions can shift the numbers shortfall and variations in assumptions can shift the numbers up assumptions can shift the numbers up or assumptions can shift the numbers up or down assumptions can shift the numbers up or down by assumptions can shift the numbers up or down by 50,000. assumptions can shift the numbers up or down by 50,000. 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I have seen authoritifall estimates of seen authoritifall estimates of between seen authoritifall estimates of between 15,000 seen authoritifall estimates of between 15,000 and seen authoritifall estimates of between 15,000 and 70,000. seen authoritifall estimates of between 15,000 and 70,000. The seen authoritifall estimates of between 15,000 and 70,000. The exact between 15,000 and 70,000. The exact number between 15,000 and 70,000. The exact number does between 15,000 and 70,000. The exact number does not between 15,000 and 70,000. The exact number does not change between 15,000 and 70,000. The exact number does not change the between 15,000 and 70,000. The exact number does not change the policy number does not change the policy response, number does not change the policy response, which number does not change the policy response, which is number does not change the policy response, which is to number does not change the policy response, which is to pull number does not change the policy response, which is to pull out number does not change the policy response, which is to pull out all response, which is to pull out all stops response, which is to pull out all stops to response, which is to pull out all stops to grow response, which is to pull out all stops to grow supply. response, which is to pull out all stops to grow supply. The response, which is to pull out all stops to grow supply. The last response, which is to pull out all stops to grow supply. The last five stops to grow supply. The last five years stops to grow supply. The last five years has stops to grow supply. The last five years has been stops to grow supply. The last five years has been the stops to grow supply. The last five years has been the number stops to grow supply. The last five years has been the number of stops to grow supply. The last five years has been the number of homes years has been the number of homes being years has been the number of homes being built years has been the number of homes being built in years has been the number of homes being built in Auckland years has been the number of homes being built in Auckland grow years has been the number of homes being built in Auckland grow from being built in Auckland grow from 4,000 being built in Auckland grow from 4,000 a being built in Auckland grow from 4,000 a year being built in Auckland grow from 4,000 a year to being built in Auckland grow from 4,000 a year to nearly being built in Auckland grow from 4,000 a year to nearly 10,000 being built in Auckland grow from 4,000 a year to nearly 10,000 per 4,000 a year to nearly 10,000 per year. 4,000 a year to nearly 10,000 per year. Auckland 4,000 a year to nearly 10,000 per year. Auckland has 4,000 a year to nearly 10,000 per year. Auckland has never 4,000 a year to nearly 10,000 per year. Auckland has never had 4,000 a year to nearly 10,000 per year. Auckland has never had before year. Auckland has never had before five year. Auckland has never had before five straight year. Auckland has never had before five straight years year. Auckland has never had before five straight years of year. Auckland has never had before five straight years of such year. Auckland has never had before five straight years of such strong five straight years of such strong growth five straight years of such strong growth in five straight years of such strong growth in home five straight years of such strong growth in home construction. Surely Surely he Surely he must Surely he must accept Surely he must accept that Surely he must accept that with Surely he must accept that with only Surely he must accept that with only 44,000 Surely he must accept that with only 44,000 homes Surely he must accept that with only 44,000 homes consented Surely he must accept that with only 44,000 homes consented over Surely he must accept that with only 44,000 homes consented over this 44,000 homes consented over this 8-year 44,000 homes consented over this 8-year period, 44,000 homes consented over this 8-year period, 77,000 44,000 homes consented over this 8-year period, 77,000 additional 8-year period, 77,000 additional homes 8-year period, 77,000 additional homes needed, 8-year period, 77,000 additional homes needed, that 8-year period, 77,000 additional homes needed, that a 8-year period, 77,000 additional homes needed, that a shortfall 8-year period, 77,000 additional homes needed, that a shortfall of homes needed, that a shortfall of more homes needed, that a shortfall of more than homes needed, that a shortfall of more than 32,000 homes needed, that a shortfall of more than 32,000 homes homes needed, that a shortfall of more than 32,000 homes has homes needed, that a shortfall of more than 32,000 homes has built homes needed, that a shortfall of more than 32,000 homes has built up more than 32,000 homes has built up on more than 32,000 homes has built up on his more than 32,000 homes has built up on his watch. more than 32,000 homes has built up on his watch. No, more than 32,000 homes has built up on his watch. No, I more than 32,000 homes has built up on his watch. No, I don't more than 32,000 homes has built up on his watch. No, I don't accept. on his watch. No, I don't accept. That on his watch. No, I don't accept. That I on his watch. No, I don't accept. That I draw on his watch. No, I don't accept. That I draw the on his watch. No, I don't accept. That I draw the member's on his watch. No, I don't accept. 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If you look at history, population varies far more quickly population varies far more quickly than population varies far more quickly than the population varies far more quickly than the construction population varies far more quickly than the construction industry population varies far more quickly than the construction industry is than the construction industry is able than the construction industry is able to than the construction industry is able to respond than the construction industry is able to respond and than the construction industry is able to respond and there than the construction industry is able to respond and there have than the construction industry is able to respond and there have been able to respond and there have been many able to respond and there have been many periods able to respond and there have been many periods where able to respond and there have been many periods where there able to respond and there have been many periods where there has able to respond and there have been many periods where there has been able to respond and there have been many periods where there has been a many periods where there has been a lag many periods where there has been a lag in many periods where there has been a lag in getting many periods where there has been a lag in getting the many periods where there has been a lag in getting the new many periods where there has been a lag in getting the new homes many periods where there has been a lag in getting the new homes built lag in getting the new homes built to lag in getting the new homes built to support lag in getting the new homes built to support that lag in getting the new homes built to support that population. What What reports What reports has What reports has the What reports has the minister What reports has the minister received What reports has the minister received of What reports has the minister received of Opposition What reports has the minister received of Opposition to What reports has the minister received of Opposition to housing received of Opposition to housing Projects received of Opposition to housing Projects in received of Opposition to housing Projects in Auckland received of Opposition to housing Projects in Auckland that received of Opposition to housing Projects in Auckland that would received of Opposition to housing Projects in Auckland that would help Projects in Auckland that would help to Projects in Auckland that would help to increase Projects in Auckland that would help to increase supply? Projects in Auckland that would help to increase supply? Housing Projects in Auckland that would help to increase supply? Housing project to increase supply? 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They can't have having vigorously opposed by members opposite. They can't have it having vigorously opposed by members opposite. They can't have it both opposite. They can't have it both ways opposite. They can't have it both ways and opposite. They can't have it both ways and complain opposite. They can't have it both ways and complain about opposite. 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That years when Labour was in office at the GTC in 2008. That over years when Labour was in office at the GTC in 2008. That over each years when Labour was in office at the GTC in 2008. That over each of the GTC in 2008. That over each of the the GTC in 2008. That over each of the last the GTC in 2008. That over each of the last five the GTC in 2008. That over each of the last five years the GTC in 2008. That over each of the last five years the the GTC in 2008. That over each of the last five years the number the GTC in 2008. 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It is dangerous offenders. It is necessary, dangerous offenders. It is necessary, proportionate dangerous offenders. It is necessary, proportionate and dangerous offenders. It is necessary, proportionate and fair. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Immigration: Minister of Immigration: Does Minister of Immigration: Does he Minister of Immigration: Does he believe Minister of Immigration: Does he believe that Minister of Immigration: Does he believe that it Minister of Immigration: Does he believe that it is Minister of Immigration: Does he believe that it is fair Does he believe that it is fair that Does he believe that it is fair that the Does he believe that it is fair that the Indian Does he believe that it is fair that the Indian students Does he believe that it is fair that the Indian students seeking that the Indian students seeking sanctuary that the Indian students seeking sanctuary in that the Indian students seeking sanctuary in an that the Indian students seeking sanctuary in an Auckland that the Indian students seeking sanctuary in an Auckland church sanctuary in an Auckland church should sanctuary in an Auckland church should be sanctuary in an Auckland church should be deported sanctuary in an Auckland church should be deported for sanctuary in an Auckland church should be deported for visa sanctuary in an Auckland church should be deported for visa fraud should be deported for visa fraud if should be deported for visa fraud if they should be deported for visa fraud if they have should be deported for visa fraud if they have not should be deported for visa fraud if they have not been should be deported for visa fraud if they have not been charged if they have not been charged with if they have not been charged with that if they have not been charged with that offence? Yes, Yes, I Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I Yes, I do. I also Yes, I do. I also think Yes, I do. I also think it's Yes, I do. I also think it's fair Yes, I do. I also think it's fair that, Yes, I do. I also think it's fair that, despite Yes, I do. I also think it's fair that, despite being Yes, I do. I also think it's fair that, despite being unlawful Yes, I do. I also think it's fair that, despite being unlawful for Yes, I do. I also think it's fair that, despite being unlawful for 6-9 that, despite being unlawful for 6-9 months, that, despite being unlawful for 6-9 months, they that, despite being unlawful for 6-9 months, they have that, despite being unlawful for 6-9 months, they have been that, despite being unlawful for 6-9 months, they have been allowed that, despite being unlawful for 6-9 months, they have been allowed to months, they have been allowed to stay months, they have been allowed to stay in months, they have been allowed to stay in New months, they have been allowed to stay in New Zealand, months, they have been allowed to stay in New Zealand, complete months, they have been allowed to stay in New Zealand, complete their stay in New Zealand, complete their studies, stay in New Zealand, complete their studies, and stay in New Zealand, complete their studies, and receive stay in New Zealand, complete their studies, and receive their studies, and receive their qualifications, studies, and receive their qualifications, as studies, and receive their qualifications, as I'm studies, and receive their qualifications, as I'm advised studies, and receive their qualifications, as I'm advised is qualifications, as I'm advised is the qualifications, as I'm advised is the case qualifications, as I'm advised is the case with qualifications, as I'm advised is the case with 6 qualifications, as I'm advised is the case with 6 of qualifications, as I'm advised is the case with 6 of the qualifications, as I'm advised is the case with 6 of the 7 qualifications, as I'm advised is the case with 6 of the 7 students the case with 6 of the 7 students being the case with 6 of the 7 students being represented the case with 6 of the 7 students being represented by the case with 6 of the 7 students being represented by Mr the case with 6 of the 7 students being represented by Mr McClymont. the case with 6 of the 7 students being represented by Mr McClymont. 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Have the chance to voluntarily depart New Zealand. Have there the chance to voluntarily depart New Zealand. Have there been the chance to voluntarily depart New Zealand. Have there been no the chance to voluntarily depart New Zealand. Have there been no charges Zealand. Have there been no charges laid Zealand. Have there been no charges laid under Zealand. Have there been no charges laid under the Zealand. Have there been no charges laid under the immigration Zealand. Have there been no charges laid under the immigration Act laid under the immigration Act because laid under the immigration Act because -- laid under the immigration Act because -- Immigration laid under the immigration Act because -- Immigration Act laid under the immigration Act because -- Immigration Act because because -- Immigration Act because the because -- Immigration Act because the Government because -- Immigration Act because the Government cannot, because -- Immigration Act because the Government cannot, in because -- Immigration Act because the Government cannot, in fact, the Government cannot, in fact, prove the Government cannot, in fact, prove beyond the Government cannot, in fact, prove beyond reasonable the Government cannot, in fact, prove beyond reasonable doubt the Government cannot, in fact, prove beyond reasonable doubt that prove beyond reasonable doubt that these prove beyond reasonable doubt that these students prove beyond reasonable doubt that these students were prove beyond reasonable doubt that these students were aware prove beyond reasonable doubt that these students were aware of prove beyond reasonable doubt that these students were aware of the these students were aware of the fraud these students were aware of the fraud committed these students were aware of the fraud committed by these students were aware of the fraud committed by Immigration fraud committed by Immigration agents fraud committed by Immigration agents in fraud committed by Immigration agents in their fraud committed by Immigration agents in their name? fraud committed by Immigration agents in their name? No. fraud committed by Immigration agents in their name? No. I fraud committed by Immigration agents in their name? No. I have fraud committed by Immigration agents in their name? No. I have a agents in their name? No. I have a copy agents in their name? No. I have a copy of agents in their name? No. I have a copy of a agents in their name? No. I have a copy of a student agents in their name? No. I have a copy of a student visa agents in their name? No. I have a copy of a student visa application copy of a student visa application in copy of a student visa application in front copy of a student visa application in front of copy of a student visa application in front of me, copy of a student visa application in front of me, the copy of a student visa application in front of me, the like copy of a student visa application in front of me, the like of copy of a student visa application in front of me, the like of which in front of me, the like of which would in front of me, the like of which would have in front of me, the like of which would have been in front of me, the like of which would have been signed in front of me, the like of which would have been signed by in front of me, the like of which would have been signed by those would have been signed by those people, would have been signed by those people, saying would have been signed by those people, saying they would have been signed by those people, saying they had would have been signed by those people, saying they had provided people, saying they had provided true people, saying they had provided true and people, saying they had provided true and correct people, saying they had provided true and correct answers people, saying they had provided true and correct answers to people, saying they had provided true and correct answers to the true and correct answers to the questions true and correct answers to the questions in true and correct answers to the questions in the true and correct answers to the questions in the form, true and correct answers to the questions in the form, saying true and correct answers to the questions in the form, saying that questions in the form, saying that they questions in the form, saying that they had questions in the form, saying that they had attached questions in the form, saying that they had attached evidence questions in the form, saying that they had attached evidence that questions in the form, saying that they had attached evidence that they they had attached evidence that they had they had attached evidence that they had access they had attached evidence that they had access to they had attached evidence that they had access to sufficient they had attached evidence that they had access to sufficient funds they had attached evidence that they had access to sufficient funds to had access to sufficient funds to support had access to sufficient funds to support themselves had access to sufficient funds to support themselves throughout had access to sufficient funds to support themselves throughout the support themselves throughout the intended support themselves throughout the intended length support themselves throughout the intended length of support themselves throughout the intended length of their support themselves throughout the intended length of their stay. support themselves throughout the intended length of their stay. 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I have to bear the impact of that mistake? I think have to bear the impact of that mistake? I think Immigration have to bear the impact of that mistake? I think Immigration NZ have to bear the impact of that mistake? I think Immigration NZ has mistake? I think Immigration NZ has shown mistake? I think Immigration NZ has shown significant mistake? I think Immigration NZ has shown significant compassion mistake? I think Immigration NZ has shown significant compassion in shown significant compassion in allowing shown significant compassion in allowing the shown significant compassion in allowing the students shown significant compassion in allowing the students to shown significant compassion in allowing the students to be shown significant compassion in allowing the students to be able shown significant compassion in allowing the students to be able to allowing the students to be able to stay allowing the students to be able to stay and allowing the students to be able to stay and complete allowing the students to be able to stay and complete their allowing the students to be able to stay and complete their courses allowing the students to be able to stay and complete their courses in, stay and complete their courses in, as stay and complete their courses in, as I stay and complete their courses in, as I say, stay and complete their courses in, as I say, six stay and complete their courses in, as I say, six of stay and complete their courses in, as I say, six of seven stay and complete their courses in, as I say, six of seven occasions as I say, six of seven occasions actually as I say, six of seven occasions actually getting as I say, six of seven occasions actually getting the as I say, six of seven occasions actually getting the qualifications actually getting the qualifications the actually getting the qualifications the students actually getting the qualifications the students were actually getting the qualifications the students were seeking, actually getting the qualifications the students were seeking, and actually getting the qualifications the students were seeking, and I the students were seeking, and I would the students were seeking, and I would also the students were seeking, and I would also add the students were seeking, and I would also add that the students were seeking, and I would also add that a the students were seeking, and I would also add that a visa the students were seeking, and I would also add that a visa system would also add that a visa system which would also add that a visa system which issues would also add that a visa system which issues somewhere would also add that a visa system which issues somewhere in would also add that a visa system which issues somewhere in the would also add that a visa system which issues somewhere in the region which issues somewhere in the region of which issues somewhere in the region of 750,000 which issues somewhere in the region of 750,000 visas which issues somewhere in the region of 750,000 visas per which issues somewhere in the region of 750,000 visas per year, which issues somewhere in the region of 750,000 visas per year, the of 750,000 visas per year, the honest of 750,000 visas per year, the honest stations of 750,000 visas per year, the honest stations of of 750,000 visas per year, the honest stations of the of 750,000 visas per year, the honest stations of the applicants of 750,000 visas per year, the honest stations of the applicants is honest stations of the applicants is a honest stations of the applicants is a significant honest stations of the applicants is a significant part honest stations of the applicants is a significant part of honest stations of the applicants is a significant part of that honest stations of the applicants is a significant part of that with a significant part of that with sanctions a significant part of that with sanctions for a significant part of that with sanctions for non-compliance. a significant part of that with sanctions for non-compliance. Point sanctions for non-compliance. Point of sanctions for non-compliance. Point of order. sanctions for non-compliance. Point of order. Mr sanctions for non-compliance. Point of order. Mr Speaker, sanctions for non-compliance. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I sanctions for non-compliance. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek sanctions for non-compliance. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table this of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table this document of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table this document which of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table this document which is of order. 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I'll put the leave and the the Immigration file cases. I'll put the leave and the House the Immigration file cases. I'll put the leave and the House will the Immigration file cases. I'll put the leave and the House will decide the leave and the House will decide whether the leave and the House will decide whether it's the leave and the House will decide whether it's relevant the leave and the House will decide whether it's relevant to the leave and the House will decide whether it's relevant to them. the leave and the House will decide whether it's relevant to them. Leave whether it's relevant to them. Leave is whether it's relevant to them. Leave is sought whether it's relevant to them. Leave is sought to whether it's relevant to them. Leave is sought to table whether it's relevant to them. Leave is sought to table that whether it's relevant to them. Leave is sought to table that particular is sought to table that particular document. is sought to table that particular document. Is is sought to table that particular document. Is there is sought to table that particular document. Is there any is sought to table that particular document. Is there any objection is sought to table that particular document. Is there any objection to document. Is there any objection to it document. Is there any objection to it being document. Is there any objection to it being tabled? document. Is there any objection to it being tabled? There document. Is there any objection to it being tabled? There is document. Is there any objection to it being tabled? There is objection. it being tabled? There is objection. Supplementary. it being tabled? There is objection. Supplementary. Supplementary Supplementary. Supplementary question, Supplementary. Supplementary question, Denise Supplementary. Supplementary question, Denise Roche. Supplementary. Supplementary question, Denise Roche. Does Supplementary. Supplementary question, Denise Roche. Does the question, Denise Roche. Does the minister question, Denise Roche. Does the minister agree, question, Denise Roche. Does the minister agree, with question, Denise Roche. Does the minister agree, with religious minister agree, with religious leaders, minister agree, with religious leaders, Cardinal minister agree, with religious leaders, Cardinal John minister agree, with religious leaders, Cardinal John ew, leaders, Cardinal John ew, archbishop leaders, Cardinal John ew, archbishop Philip leaders, Cardinal John ew, archbishop Philip Richardson, leaders, Cardinal John ew, archbishop Philip Richardson, the archbishop Philip Richardson, the Reverend archbishop Philip Richardson, the Reverend Prince archbishop Philip Richardson, the Reverend Prince Duvan archbishop Philip Richardson, the Reverend Prince Duvan Dandan, archbishop Philip Richardson, the Reverend Prince Duvan Dandan, who Reverend Prince Duvan Dandan, who have Reverend Prince Duvan Dandan, who have called Reverend Prince Duvan Dandan, who have called on Reverend Prince Duvan Dandan, who have called on this Reverend Prince Duvan Dandan, who have called on this Government Reverend Prince Duvan Dandan, who have called on this Government to have called on this Government to reconsider have called on this Government to reconsider your have called on this Government to reconsider your actions have called on this Government to reconsider your actions in have called on this Government to reconsider your actions in the have called on this Government to reconsider your actions in the name reconsider your actions in the name of reconsider your actions in the name of humanitarianism reconsider your actions in the name of humanitarianism and reconsider your actions in the name of humanitarianism and justice? reconsider your actions in the name of humanitarianism and justice? The of humanitarianism and justice? The Hon of humanitarianism and justice? The Hon Michael of humanitarianism and justice? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. of humanitarianism and justice? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr of humanitarianism and justice? The Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, at Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, at the Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, at the time Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, at the time those Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, at the time those religious Hon Michael Woodhouse. Mr Speaker, at the time those religious leaders at the time those religious leaders wrote at the time those religious leaders wrote to at the time those religious leaders wrote to me, at the time those religious leaders wrote to me, they at the time those religious leaders wrote to me, they were at the time those religious leaders wrote to me, they were not at the time those religious leaders wrote to me, they were not in wrote to me, they were not in position wrote to me, they were not in position of, wrote to me, they were not in position of, I wrote to me, they were not in position of, I think, wrote to me, they were not in position of, I think, very wrote to me, they were not in position of, I think, very important position of, I think, very important information. position of, I think, very important information. And position of, I think, very important information. And that position of, I think, very important information. And that is position of, I think, very important information. And that is this position of, I think, very important information. And that is this - information. And that is this - despite information. And that is this - despite being information. And that is this - despite being unlawful, information. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: Minister of Transport: What Minister of Transport: What progress What progress has What progress has the What progress has the Government What progress has the Government made has the Government made on has the Government made on the has the Government made on the Mackays has the Government made on the Mackays to has the Government made on the Mackays to Peka has the Government made on the Mackays to Peka Peka on the Mackays to Peka Peka Expressway on the Mackays to Peka Peka Expressway north on the Mackays to Peka Peka Expressway north of on the Mackays to Peka Peka Expressway north of Wellington? The The Hon The Hon David The Hon David Bennett. The Hon David Bennett. Mr The Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, The Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on The Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf The Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf of The Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the The Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister The Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of on behalf of the Minister of Transport, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, today, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, today, the on behalf of the Minister of Transport, today, the Government Transport, today, the Government opened Transport, today, the Government opened the Transport, today, the Government opened the $630 Transport, today, the Government opened the $630 million Transport, today, the Government opened the $630 million Mackays Transport, today, the Government opened the $630 million Mackays to opened the $630 million Mackays to Peka opened the $630 million Mackays to Peka Peka opened the $630 million Mackays to Peka Peka Expressway, opened the $630 million Mackays to Peka Peka Expressway, delivering opened the $630 million Mackays to Peka Peka Expressway, delivering a Peka Peka Expressway, delivering a long-awaited Peka Peka Expressway, delivering a long-awaited road Peka Peka Expressway, delivering a long-awaited road to Peka Peka Expressway, delivering a long-awaited road to the Peka Peka Expressway, delivering a long-awaited road to the Wellington long-awaited road to the Wellington region. long-awaited road to the Wellington region. The long-awaited road to the Wellington region. The expressway long-awaited road to the Wellington region. The expressway is long-awaited road to the Wellington region. The expressway is part long-awaited road to the Wellington region. The expressway is part of region. The expressway is part of the region. The expressway is part of the Wellington region. The expressway is part of the Wellington Northern region. The expressway is part of the Wellington Northern Corridor, the Wellington Northern Corridor, one the Wellington Northern Corridor, one of the Wellington Northern Corridor, one of the the Wellington Northern Corridor, one of the Government's the Wellington Northern Corridor, one of the Government's Roads the Wellington Northern Corridor, one of the Government's Roads of one of the Government's Roads of National one of the Government's Roads of National Significance, one of the Government's Roads of National Significance, identified one of the Government's Roads of National Significance, identified as National Significance, identified as key National Significance, identified as key to National Significance, identified as key to economic National Significance, identified as key to economic growth. National Significance, identified as key to economic growth. This key to economic growth. This impressive key to economic growth. This impressive piece key to economic growth. This impressive piece of key to economic growth. This impressive piece of infrastructure impressive piece of infrastructure has impressive piece of infrastructure has been impressive piece of infrastructure has been a impressive piece of infrastructure has been a long impressive piece of infrastructure has been a long time impressive piece of infrastructure has been a long time coming impressive piece of infrastructure has been a long time coming and, has been a long time coming and, after has been a long time coming and, after three has been a long time coming and, after three years has been a long time coming and, after three years of has been a long time coming and, after three years of construction, after three years of construction, it's after three years of construction, it's fantastic after three years of construction, it's fantastic to after three years of construction, it's fantastic to be after three years of construction, it's fantastic to be delivering after three years of construction, it's fantastic to be delivering it it's fantastic to be delivering it four it's fantastic to be delivering it four months it's fantastic to be delivering it four months ahead it's fantastic to be delivering it four months ahead of it's fantastic to be delivering it four months ahead of schedule. it's fantastic to be delivering it four months ahead of schedule. 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How will the Mackays to Peka Peka Expressway benefit road Peka Peka Expressway benefit road users Peka Peka Expressway benefit road users in Peka Peka Expressway benefit road users in the Peka Peka Expressway benefit road users in the Orang Peka Peka Expressway benefit road users in the Orang - Peka Peka Expressway benefit road users in the Orang - excuse Peka Peka Expressway benefit road users in the Orang - excuse me, Peka Peka Expressway benefit road users in the Orang - excuse me, the users in the Orang - excuse me, the Wellington users in the Orang - excuse me, the Wellington region? users in the Orang - excuse me, the Wellington region? Mr users in the Orang - excuse me, the Wellington region? Mr Speaker, users in the Orang - excuse me, the Wellington region? Mr Speaker, on Wellington region? Mr Speaker, on behalf Wellington region? Mr Speaker, on behalf of Wellington region? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Wellington region? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister Wellington region? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Wellington region? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, behalf of the Minister of Transport, this behalf of the Minister of Transport, this new behalf of the Minister of Transport, this new stretch behalf of the Minister of Transport, this new stretch of behalf of the Minister of Transport, this new stretch of road behalf of the Minister of Transport, this new stretch of road will behalf of the Minister of Transport, this new stretch of road will be this new stretch of road will be transformational this new stretch of road will be transformational for this new stretch of road will be transformational for it this new stretch of road will be transformational for it the this new stretch of road will be transformational for it the Kapiti transformational for it the Kapiti coast transformational for it the Kapiti coast and transformational for it the Kapiti coast and the transformational for it the Kapiti coast and the wider transformational for it the Kapiti coast and the wider region. transformational for it the Kapiti coast and the wider region. The transformational for it the Kapiti coast and the wider region. The new coast and the wider region. The new expressway coast and the wider region. The new expressway will coast and the wider region. The new expressway will deliver coast and the wider region. The new expressway will deliver a coast and the wider region. The new expressway will deliver a range coast and the wider region. The new expressway will deliver a range of expressway will deliver a range of benefits expressway will deliver a range of benefits and expressway will deliver a range of benefits and significant expressway will deliver a range of benefits and significant safety expressway will deliver a range of benefits and significant safety im. benefits and significant safety im. Improved benefits and significant safety im. Improved journey benefits and significant safety im. Improved journey times benefits and significant safety im. Improved journey times to Improved journey times to Wellington's Improved journey times to Wellington's port, Improved journey times to Wellington's port, CBD, Improved journey times to Wellington's port, CBD, interisland Wellington's port, CBD, interisland ferry Wellington's port, CBD, interisland ferry terminals, Wellington's port, CBD, interisland ferry terminals, airport Wellington's port, CBD, interisland ferry terminals, airport and ferry terminals, airport and hospital ferry terminals, airport and hospital will ferry terminals, airport and hospital will benefit ferry terminals, airport and hospital will benefit the ferry terminals, airport and hospital will benefit the wider hospital will benefit the wider region. hospital will benefit the wider region. The hospital will benefit the wider region. The new hospital will benefit the wider region. The new expressway hospital will benefit the wider region. The new expressway also region. The new expressway also delivers region. The new expressway also delivers a region. The new expressway also delivers a second, region. The new expressway also delivers a second, more region. The new expressway also delivers a second, more resilient delivers a second, more resilient network delivers a second, more resilient network north delivers a second, more resilient network north of delivers a second, more resilient network north of Wellington delivers a second, more resilient network north of Wellington - delivers a second, more resilient network north of Wellington - an network north of Wellington - an important network north of Wellington - an important feature network north of Wellington - an important feature in network north of Wellington - an important feature in the network north of Wellington - an important feature in the wake network north of Wellington - an important feature in the wake of important feature in the wake of recent important feature in the wake of recent earthquakes. important feature in the wake of recent earthquakes. Order! recent earthquakes. Order! Supplementary recent earthquakes. Order! Supplementary question, recent earthquakes. Order! 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Mr Speaker, while this Government investment of $630 Government investment of $630 million Government investment of $630 million has Government investment of $630 million has been Government investment of $630 million has been eagerly Government investment of $630 million has been eagerly awaited Government investment of $630 million has been eagerly awaited by million has been eagerly awaited by motorists million has been eagerly awaited by motorists in million has been eagerly awaited by motorists in my million has been eagerly awaited by motorists in my electorate million has been eagerly awaited by motorists in my electorate for motorists in my electorate for absolute motorists in my electorate for absolute decades... motorists in my electorate for absolute decades... I motorists in my electorate for absolute decades... I want motorists in my electorate for absolute decades... I want the absolute decades... I want the question. absolute decades... I want the question. What absolute decades... I want the question. What recent absolute decades... I want the question. What recent reports absolute decades... I want the question. What recent reports has question. What recent reports has the question. What recent reports has the minister question. What recent reports has the minister seen question. What recent reports has the minister seen of question. What recent reports has the minister seen of people question. What recent reports has the minister seen of people opposing the minister seen of people opposing this the minister seen of people opposing this investment the minister seen of people opposing this investment in the minister seen of people opposing this investment in the the minister seen of people opposing this investment in the Kapiti this investment in the Kapiti community? this investment in the Kapiti community? Order! this investment in the Kapiti community? Order! Before this investment in the Kapiti community? Order! Before I this investment in the Kapiti community? Order! Before I call this investment in the Kapiti community? Order! Before I call the community? Order! Before I call the minister community? Order! Before I call the minister - community? Order! Before I call the minister - order! community? Order! Before I call the minister - order! I'd community? Order! Before I call the minister - order! I'd just community? Order! Before I call the minister - order! I'd just remind minister - order! I'd just remind the minister - order! I'd just remind the House minister - order! I'd just remind the House that minister - order! I'd just remind the House that Speaker's minister - order! I'd just remind the House that Speaker's ruling minister - order! I'd just remind the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 - the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 - it the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 - it will the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 - it will not the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 - it will not be the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 - it will not be reasonable the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 - it will not be reasonable for the House that Speaker's ruling 1743 - it will not be reasonable for the - it will not be reasonable for the Government - it will not be reasonable for the Government to - it will not be reasonable for the Government to be - it will not be reasonable for the Government to be using - it will not be reasonable for the Government to be using a - it will not be reasonable for the Government to be using a question - it will not be reasonable for the Government to be using a question to Government to be using a question to attack Government to be using a question to attack an Government to be using a question to attack an Opposition Government to be using a question to attack an Opposition member. Government to be using a question to attack an Opposition member. I'll attack an Opposition member. I'll hear attack an Opposition member. I'll hear from attack an Opposition member. I'll hear from the attack an Opposition member. I'll hear from the Hon attack an Opposition member. I'll hear from the Hon David attack an Opposition member. I'll hear from the Hon David Bennett. attack an Opposition member. I'll hear from the Hon David Bennett. Mr hear from the Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, hear from the Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on hear from the Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf hear from the Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf of hear from the Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the hear from the Hon David Bennett. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, yes Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, yes - Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, yes - and Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, yes - and I Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, yes - and I would Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Transport, yes - and I would like of Transport, yes - and I would like to of Transport, yes - and I would like to acknowledge of Transport, yes - and I would like to acknowledge that of Transport, yes - and I would like to acknowledge that member of Transport, yes - and I would like to acknowledge that member for of Transport, yes - and I would like to acknowledge that member for his to acknowledge that member for his strong to acknowledge that member for his strong advocacy to acknowledge that member for his strong advocacy in to acknowledge that member for his strong advocacy in this to acknowledge that member for his strong advocacy in this project. to acknowledge that member for his strong advocacy in this project. I strong advocacy in this project. I have strong advocacy in this project. I have received strong advocacy in this project. I have received reports strong advocacy in this project. I have received reports outlining have received reports outlining Opposition have received reports outlining Opposition to have received reports outlining Opposition to the have received reports outlining Opposition to the expressway, Opposition to the expressway, including Opposition to the expressway, including reports Opposition to the expressway, including reports that Opposition to the expressway, including reports that is Opposition to the expressway, including reports that is an including reports that is an over-the-top including reports that is an over-the-top reaction including reports that is an over-the-top reaction for including reports that is an over-the-top reaction for the including reports that is an over-the-top reaction for the needs over-the-top reaction for the needs of over-the-top reaction for the needs of our over-the-top reaction for the needs of our community, over-the-top reaction for the needs of our community, and over-the-top reaction for the needs of our community, and should over-the-top reaction for the needs of our community, and should be of our community, and should be mothballed of our community, and should be mothballed or of our community, and should be mothballed or that of our community, and should be mothballed or that the of our community, and should be mothballed or that the plug of our community, and should be mothballed or that the plug should mothballed or that the plug should be mothballed or that the plug should be pulled. mothballed or that the plug should be pulled. These mothballed or that the plug should be pulled. These reports, mothballed or that the plug should be pulled. These reports, of mothballed or that the plug should be pulled. These reports, of course, be pulled. These reports, of course, come be pulled. These reports, of course, come from be pulled. These reports, of course, come from the be pulled. These reports, of course, come from the Labour be pulled. These reports, of course, come from the Labour Party, be pulled. These reports, of course, come from the Labour Party, who be pulled. These reports, of course, come from the Labour Party, who are come from the Labour Party, who are clearly come from the Labour Party, who are clearly out come from the Labour Party, who are clearly out of come from the Labour Party, who are clearly out of touch. come from the Labour Party, who are clearly out of touch. Order! <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! Question <INTERRUPTION> Order! Question No. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Minister for Social Development: Is Minister for Social Development: Is she Minister for Social Development: Is she concerned Is she concerned that Is she concerned that the Is she concerned that the Superu Is she concerned that the Superu report that the Superu report released that the Superu report released last that the Superu report released last week released last week showed released last week showed that released last week showed that 1 released last week showed that 1 in released last week showed that 1 in 4 showed that 1 in 4 former showed that 1 in 4 former beneficiaries former beneficiaries return former beneficiaries return to former beneficiaries return to the former beneficiaries return to the benefit return to the benefit within return to the benefit within 24 return to the benefit within 24 months within 24 months after within 24 months after they within 24 months after they come within 24 months after they come off? 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In 2013, the Government introduced welfare reforms which introduced welfare reforms which made introduced welfare reforms which made significant introduced welfare reforms which made significant changes introduced welfare reforms which made significant changes to introduced welfare reforms which made significant changes to the made significant changes to the benefit made significant changes to the benefit system. made significant changes to the benefit system. It made significant changes to the benefit system. It is made significant changes to the benefit system. It is important made significant changes to the benefit system. It is important to benefit system. It is important to note benefit system. It is important to note that benefit system. It is important to note that this benefit system. It is important to note that this research benefit system. It is important to note that this research by benefit system. 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That is baseline data, and we are conducting more surveys to see are conducting more surveys to see what are conducting more surveys to see what happens are conducting more surveys to see what happens post-reforms, are conducting more surveys to see what happens post-reforms, but are conducting more surveys to see what happens post-reforms, but the what happens post-reforms, but the evidence what happens post-reforms, but the evidence is what happens post-reforms, but the evidence is very what happens post-reforms, but the evidence is very clear what happens post-reforms, but the evidence is very clear - what happens post-reforms, but the evidence is very clear - if what happens post-reforms, but the evidence is very clear - if people evidence is very clear - if people remain evidence is very clear - if people remain on evidence is very clear - if people remain on welfare evidence is very clear - if people remain on welfare for evidence is very clear - if people remain on welfare for a evidence is very clear - if people remain on welfare for a long evidence is very clear - if people remain on welfare for a long period remain on welfare for a long period of remain on welfare for a long period of time, remain on welfare for a long period of time, their remain on welfare for a long period of time, their children remain on welfare for a long period of time, their children do remain on welfare for a long period of time, their children do worse remain on welfare for a long period of time, their children do worse in of time, their children do worse in school, of time, their children do worse in school, they of time, their children do worse in school, they are of time, their children do worse in school, they are more of time, their children do worse in school, they are more likely of time, their children do worse in school, they are more likely to of time, their children do worse in school, they are more likely to have school, they are more likely to have a school, they are more likely to have a CYF school, they are more likely to have a CYF notification, school, they are more likely to have a CYF notification, they school, they are more likely to have a CYF notification, they are school, they are more likely to have a CYF notification, they are more a CYF notification, they are more likely a CYF notification, they are more likely to a CYF notification, they are more likely to be a CYF notification, they are more likely to be referred a CYF notification, they are more likely to be referred to a CYF notification, they are more likely to be referred to police a CYF notification, they are more likely to be referred to police for likely to be referred to police for family likely to be referred to police for family violence, likely to be referred to police for family violence, and likely to be referred to police for family violence, and they likely to be referred to police for family violence, and they are likely to be referred to police for family violence, and they are more family violence, and they are more likely family violence, and they are more likely to family violence, and they are more likely to be family violence, and they are more likely to be very family violence, and they are more likely to be very poor. family violence, and they are more likely to be very poor. 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And coordinated way to help people make their lives better. And that their lives better. And that concludes their lives better. And that concludes Oral their lives better. And that concludes Oral Questions. their lives better. And that concludes Oral Questions. I their lives better. And that concludes Oral Questions. I call their lives better. And that concludes Oral Questions. I call on concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Orders concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Orders of concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Orders of the concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Orders of the Day concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Orders of the Day No. concludes Oral Questions. I call on Government Orders of the Day No. 1 Government Orders of the Day No. 1 and Government Orders of the Day No. 1 and 2. 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