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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for your humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all things, your guidance in all things, and your guidance in all things, and laying your guidance in all things, and laying aside your guidance in all things, and laying aside all your guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we ask and personal interests, we ask that and personal interests, we ask that you and personal interests, we ask that you grant we ask that you grant that we ask that you grant that we we ask that you grant that we may we ask that you grant that we may conduct we ask that you grant that we may conduct the we ask that you grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of your of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy name, to the glory of your holy name, the to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. 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What the strength of the New Zealand economy. What is the strength of the New Zealand economy. What is driving the strength of the New Zealand economy. What is driving this economy. What is driving this better-than-expected economy. What is driving this better-than-expected result economy. What is driving this better-than-expected result in economy. What is driving this better-than-expected result in the better-than-expected result in the Crown better-than-expected result in the Crown accounts better-than-expected result in the Crown accounts for better-than-expected result in the Crown accounts for this better-than-expected result in the Crown accounts for this financial Crown accounts for this financial year? 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This needs to be met through a needs to be met through a combination needs to be met through a combination of needs to be met through a combination of additional needs to be met through a combination of additional funding combination of additional funding and combination of additional funding and productivity combination of additional funding and productivity improvements. and productivity improvements. Secondly, and productivity improvements. Secondly, building and productivity improvements. 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So it is around 20% of paying down debt. So it is around 20% of GDP paying down debt. So it is around 20% of GDP by paying down debt. So it is around 20% of GDP by 2020 paying down debt. So it is around 20% of GDP by 2020 which paying down debt. So it is around 20% of GDP by 2020 which will paying down debt. So it is around 20% of GDP by 2020 which will allow 20% of GDP by 2020 which will allow us 20% of GDP by 2020 which will allow us to 20% of GDP by 2020 which will allow us to manage 20% of GDP by 2020 which will allow us to manage any 20% of GDP by 2020 which will allow us to manage any further 20% of GDP by 2020 which will allow us to manage any further shock 20% of GDP by 2020 which will allow us to manage any further shock that us to manage any further shock that is us to manage any further shock that is come us to manage any further shock that is come along us to manage any further shock that is come along in us to manage any further shock that is come along in the us to manage any further shock that is come along in the future. is come along in the future. Finally, is come along in the future. Finally, it is come along in the future. Finally, it is is come along in the future. Finally, it is very is come along in the future. Finally, it is very important is come along in the future. Finally, it is very important to Finally, it is very important to consider Finally, it is very important to consider the Finally, it is very important to consider the tax Finally, it is very important to consider the tax burden Finally, it is very important to consider the tax burden on Finally, it is very important to consider the tax burden on Kiwi consider the tax burden on Kiwi families, consider the tax burden on Kiwi families, particularly consider the tax burden on Kiwi families, particularly on consider the tax burden on Kiwi families, particularly on lower consider the tax burden on Kiwi families, particularly on lower and families, particularly on lower and middle families, particularly on lower and middle income families, particularly on lower and middle income families families, particularly on lower and middle income families that families, particularly on lower and middle income families that pay families, particularly on lower and middle income families that pay - middle income families that pay - that middle income families that pay - that face middle income families that pay - that face quite middle income families that pay - that face quite high middle income families that pay - that face quite high marginal middle income families that pay - that face quite high marginal tax that face quite high marginal tax rates. that face quite high marginal tax rates. In that face quite high marginal tax rates. In light that face quite high marginal tax rates. In light of that face quite high marginal tax rates. In light of that that face quite high marginal tax rates. In light of that answer, that face quite high marginal tax rates. In light of that answer, can rates. In light of that answer, can the rates. In light of that answer, can the minister rates. In light of that answer, can the minister confirm rates. In light of that answer, can the minister confirm tax rates. In light of that answer, can the minister confirm tax cuts rates. In light of that answer, can the minister confirm tax cuts are rates. In light of that answer, can the minister confirm tax cuts are a the minister confirm tax cuts are a higher the minister confirm tax cuts are a higher priority the minister confirm tax cuts are a higher priority for the minister confirm tax cuts are a higher priority for him the minister confirm tax cuts are a higher priority for him than higher priority for him than restarting higher priority for him than restarting contributions higher priority for him than restarting contributions to higher priority for him than restarting contributions to the higher priority for him than restarting contributions to the New restarting contributions to the New Zealand restarting contributions to the New Zealand Super restarting contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund? restarting contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund? The restarting contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund? The Government Zealand Super Fund? The Government has Zealand Super Fund? The Government has said Zealand Super Fund? The Government has said that Zealand Super Fund? The Government has said that it Zealand Super Fund? The Government has said that it will Zealand Super Fund? The Government has said that it will look Zealand Super Fund? The Government has said that it will look to Zealand Super Fund? The Government has said that it will look to resume has said that it will look to resume contributions has said that it will look to resume contributions to has said that it will look to resume contributions to the has said that it will look to resume contributions to the New has said that it will look to resume contributions to the New Zealand contributions to the New Zealand Super contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund when contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund when net contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund when net debt contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund when net debt is contributions to the New Zealand Super Fund when net debt is down Super Fund when net debt is down blow Super Fund when net debt is down blow 20% Super Fund when net debt is down blow 20% of Super Fund when net debt is down blow 20% of GDP Super Fund when net debt is down blow 20% of GDP but Super Fund when net debt is down blow 20% of GDP but actually, Super Fund when net debt is down blow 20% of GDP but actually, yes, blow 20% of GDP but actually, yes, we blow 20% of GDP but actually, yes, we are blow 20% of GDP but actually, yes, we are very blow 20% of GDP but actually, yes, we are very focused blow 20% of GDP but actually, yes, we are very focused on blow 20% of GDP but actually, yes, we are very focused on supporting we are very focused on supporting New we are very focused on supporting New Zealanders we are very focused on supporting New Zealanders and we are very focused on supporting New Zealanders and the we are very focused on supporting New Zealanders and the member we are very focused on supporting New Zealanders and the member might New Zealanders and the member might want New Zealanders and the member might want to New Zealanders and the member might want to go New Zealanders and the member might want to go out New Zealanders and the member might want to go out and New Zealanders and the member might want to go out and he'd New Zealanders and the member might want to go out and he'd say New Zealanders and the member might want to go out and he'd say that New Zealanders and the member might want to go out and he'd say that he want to go out and he'd say that he would want to go out and he'd say that he would rather want to go out and he'd say that he would rather put want to go out and he'd say that he would rather put money want to go out and he'd say that he would rather put money into want to go out and he'd say that he would rather put money into the would rather put money into the super would rather put money into the super fund would rather put money into the super fund rather would rather put money into the super fund rather than would rather put money into the super fund rather than considering super fund rather than considering the super fund rather than considering the tax super fund rather than considering the tax situation super fund rather than considering the tax situation for super fund rather than considering the tax situation for families super fund rather than considering the tax situation for families in the tax situation for families in New the tax situation for families in New Zealand. the tax situation for families in New Zealand. I the tax situation for families in New Zealand. I invite the tax situation for families in New Zealand. I invite him the tax situation for families in New Zealand. I invite him to New Zealand. I invite him to continue New Zealand. I invite him to continue doing New Zealand. I invite him to continue doing that. What What other What other uses What other uses for What other uses for additional What other uses for additional spending What other uses for additional spending has What other uses for additional spending has the What other uses for additional spending has the Government spending has the Government considered? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, we Mr Speaker, we have Mr Speaker, we have considered Mr Speaker, we have considered a Mr Speaker, we have considered a range Mr Speaker, we have considered a range of Mr Speaker, we have considered a range of things. Mr Speaker, we have considered a range of things. I Mr Speaker, we have considered a range of things. I have Mr Speaker, we have considered a range of things. I have seen range of things. I have seen proposals range of things. I have seen proposals from range of things. I have seen proposals from other range of things. I have seen proposals from other groups range of things. I have seen proposals from other groups this proposals from other groups this week proposals from other groups this week that proposals from other groups this week that the proposals from other groups this week that the Government proposals from other groups this week that the Government should proposals from other groups this week that the Government should pay week that the Government should pay more week that the Government should pay more money week that the Government should pay more money into week that the Government should pay more money into the week that the Government should pay more money into the New week that the Government should pay more money into the New Zealand more money into the New Zealand Super more money into the New Zealand Super Fund, more money into the New Zealand Super Fund, even more money into the New Zealand Super Fund, even during more money into the New Zealand Super Fund, even during the more money into the New Zealand Super Fund, even during the global Super Fund, even during the global financial Super Fund, even during the global financial crisis Super Fund, even during the global financial crisis when Super Fund, even during the global financial crisis when we Super Fund, even during the global financial crisis when we were financial crisis when we were borrowing financial crisis when we were borrowing heavily financial crisis when we were borrowing heavily to financial crisis when we were borrowing heavily to support financial crisis when we were borrowing heavily to support New borrowing heavily to support New Zealand borrowing heavily to support New Zealand families. borrowing heavily to support New Zealand families. However, borrowing heavily to support New Zealand families. However, even borrowing heavily to support New Zealand families. However, even if Zealand families. However, even if the Zealand families. However, even if the Government Zealand families. However, even if the Government had Zealand families. However, even if the Government had borrowed Zealand families. However, even if the Government had borrowed an Zealand families. However, even if the Government had borrowed an extra the Government had borrowed an extra $13.5 the Government had borrowed an extra $13.5 billion, the Government had borrowed an extra $13.5 billion, as the Government had borrowed an extra $13.5 billion, as advocated the Government had borrowed an extra $13.5 billion, as advocated by the Government had borrowed an extra $13.5 billion, as advocated by some, $13.5 billion, as advocated by some, to $13.5 billion, as advocated by some, to continue $13.5 billion, as advocated by some, to continue contributions $13.5 billion, as advocated by some, to continue contributions through to continue contributions through the to continue contributions through the GFC to continue contributions through the GFC and to continue contributions through the GFC and Canterbury to continue contributions through the GFC and Canterbury earthquake the GFC and Canterbury earthquake recovery, the GFC and Canterbury earthquake recovery, the the GFC and Canterbury earthquake recovery, the super the GFC and Canterbury earthquake recovery, the super fund the GFC and Canterbury earthquake recovery, the super fund would the GFC and Canterbury earthquake recovery, the super fund would still recovery, the super fund would still only recovery, the super fund would still only be recovery, the super fund would still only be contributing recovery, the super fund would still only be contributing an recovery, the super fund would still only be contributing an additional only be contributing an additional $1.4 only be contributing an additional $1.4 billion only be contributing an additional $1.4 billion in only be contributing an additional $1.4 billion in 2041. only be contributing an additional $1.4 billion in 2041. That only be contributing an additional $1.4 billion in 2041. That would $1.4 billion in 2041. That would leave $1.4 billion in 2041. That would leave the $1.4 billion in 2041. That would leave the proponents $1.4 billion in 2041. That would leave the proponents of $1.4 billion in 2041. That would leave the proponents of this $1.4 billion in 2041. That would leave the proponents of this idea leave the proponents of this idea short leave the proponents of this idea short $2.6 leave the proponents of this idea short $2.6 billion leave the proponents of this idea short $2.6 billion in leave the proponents of this idea short $2.6 billion in 2040 leave the proponents of this idea short $2.6 billion in 2040 alone. short $2.6 billion in 2040 alone. Unfortunately, short $2.6 billion in 2040 alone. Unfortunately, this short $2.6 billion in 2040 alone. Unfortunately, this idea short $2.6 billion in 2040 alone. Unfortunately, this idea does short $2.6 billion in 2040 alone. 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" I also stand by the statements made by also stand by the statements made by the also stand by the statements made by the mayor also stand by the statements made by the mayor of also stand by the statements made by the mayor of Wellington also stand by the statements made by the mayor of Wellington "it also stand by the statements made by the mayor of Wellington "it is the mayor of Wellington "it is encouraging the mayor of Wellington "it is encouraging to the mayor of Wellington "it is encouraging to see the mayor of Wellington "it is encouraging to see the the mayor of Wellington "it is encouraging to see the building the mayor of Wellington "it is encouraging to see the building of encouraging to see the building of new encouraging to see the building of new homes encouraging to see the building of new homes is encouraging to see the building of new homes is beginning encouraging to see the building of new homes is beginning to encouraging to see the building of new homes is beginning to kick encouraging to see the building of new homes is beginning to kick into new homes is beginning to kick into gear new homes is beginning to kick into gear and new homes is beginning to kick into gear and secondly, new homes is beginning to kick into gear and secondly, for new homes is beginning to kick into gear and secondly, for the new homes is beginning to kick into gear and secondly, for the last new homes is beginning to kick into gear and secondly, for the last two gear and secondly, for the last two years gear and secondly, for the last two years growth gear and secondly, for the last two years growth and gear and secondly, for the last two years growth and new gear and secondly, for the last two years growth and new consents gear and secondly, for the last two years growth and new consents has years growth and new consents has lagged years growth and new consents has lagged behind years growth and new consents has lagged behind our years growth and new consents has lagged behind our targets years growth and new consents has lagged behind our targets but years growth and new consents has lagged behind our targets but this lagged behind our targets but this year lagged behind our targets but this year we lagged behind our targets but this year we are lagged behind our targets but this year we are in lagged behind our targets but this year we are in a lagged behind our targets but this year we are in a very lagged behind our targets but this year we are in a very strong year we are in a very strong position year we are in a very strong position and year we are in a very strong position and tracking year we are in a very strong position and tracking well year we are in a very strong position and tracking well by position and tracking well by working position and tracking well by working with position and tracking well by working with central position and tracking well by working with central Government position and tracking well by working with central Government to working with central Government to make working with central Government to make it working with central Government to make it easier working with central Government to make it easier to working with central Government to make it easier to build working with central Government to make it easier to build new working with central Government to make it easier to build new homes working with central Government to make it easier to build new homes we make it easier to build new homes we are make it easier to build new homes we are helping make it easier to build new homes we are helping to make it easier to build new homes we are helping to address make it easier to build new homes we are helping to address the make it easier to build new homes we are helping to address the lack make it easier to build new homes we are helping to address the lack of are helping to address the lack of supply. are helping to address the lack of supply. 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Mr to live when he studies is a problem of success? Mr Speaker, to live when he studies is a problem of success? Mr Speaker, as to live when he studies is a problem of success? Mr Speaker, as I to live when he studies is a problem of success? Mr Speaker, as I said, of success? Mr Speaker, as I said, the of success? Mr Speaker, as I said, the pressure of success? Mr Speaker, as I said, the pressure on of success? Mr Speaker, as I said, the pressure on rental of success? Mr Speaker, as I said, the pressure on rental housing of success? Mr Speaker, as I said, the pressure on rental housing is the pressure on rental housing is certainly the pressure on rental housing is certainly concerning the pressure on rental housing is certainly concerning for the pressure on rental housing is certainly concerning for people the pressure on rental housing is certainly concerning for people who certainly concerning for people who are certainly concerning for people who are looking certainly concerning for people who are looking for certainly concerning for people who are looking for accommodation certainly concerning for people who are looking for accommodation but certainly concerning for people who are looking for accommodation but I are looking for accommodation but I could are looking for accommodation but I could only are looking for accommodation but I could only repeat are looking for accommodation but I could only repeat the are looking for accommodation but I could only repeat the positive could only repeat the positive statements could only repeat the positive statements of could only repeat the positive statements of the could only repeat the positive statements of the mayor could only repeat the positive statements of the mayor of statements of the mayor of Wellington, statements of the mayor of Wellington, "It statements of the mayor of Wellington, "It is statements of the mayor of Wellington, "It is encouraging statements of the mayor of Wellington, "It is encouraging to Wellington, "It is encouraging to see Wellington, "It is encouraging to see the Wellington, "It is encouraging to see the building Wellington, "It is encouraging to see the building of Wellington, "It is encouraging to see the building of new Wellington, "It is encouraging to see the building of new homes Wellington, "It is encouraging to see the building of new homes is see the building of new homes is beginning see the building of new homes is beginning to see the building of new homes is beginning to kick see the building of new homes is beginning to kick into see the building of new homes is beginning to kick into at see the building of new homes is beginning to kick into at gear. see the building of new homes is beginning to kick into at gear. By beginning to kick into at gear. By working beginning to kick into at gear. By working with beginning to kick into at gear. By working with central beginning to kick into at gear. By working with central Government", working with central Government", and working with central Government", and that's working with central Government", and that's through working with central Government", and that's through mechanisms working with central Government", and that's through mechanisms like and that's through mechanisms like the and that's through mechanisms like the Special and that's through mechanisms like the Special Housing and that's through mechanisms like the Special Housing Areas, and that's through mechanisms like the Special Housing Areas, the the Special Housing Areas, the changes the Special Housing Areas, the changes to the Special Housing Areas, the changes to the the Special Housing Areas, the changes to the National the Special Housing Areas, the changes to the National Policy changes to the National Policy Statement changes to the National Policy Statement on changes to the National Policy Statement on Urban changes to the National Policy Statement on Urban Development, changes to the National Policy Statement on Urban Development, the Statement on Urban Development, the mayor Statement on Urban Development, the mayor says, Statement on Urban Development, the mayor says, "We Statement on Urban Development, the mayor says, "We are Statement on Urban Development, the mayor says, "We are making Statement on Urban Development, the mayor says, "We are making it Statement on Urban Development, the mayor says, "We are making it easier mayor says, "We are making it easier to mayor says, "We are making it easier to build mayor says, "We are making it easier to build new mayor says, "We are making it easier to build new homes. mayor says, "We are making it easier to build new homes. We're mayor says, "We are making it easier to build new homes. We're helping mayor says, "We are making it easier to build new homes. We're helping to to build new homes. We're helping to address to build new homes. We're helping to address the to build new homes. We're helping to address the lack to build new homes. We're helping to address the lack of to build new homes. We're helping to address the lack of supply." Putting Putting aside Putting aside the Putting aside the fact Putting aside the fact that Putting aside the fact that there Putting aside the fact that there is Putting aside the fact that there is no Putting aside the fact that there is no special Putting aside the fact that there is no special housing Putting aside the fact that there is no special housing area Putting aside the fact that there is no special housing area at Putting aside the fact that there is no special housing area at the Putting aside the fact that there is no special housing area at the top no special housing area at the top of no special housing area at the top of Willis no special housing area at the top of Willis street no special housing area at the top of Willis street in no special housing area at the top of Willis street in Wellington, no special housing area at the top of Willis street in Wellington, when of Willis street in Wellington, when a of Willis street in Wellington, when a couple of Willis street in Wellington, when a couple says of Willis street in Wellington, when a couple says "the of Willis street in Wellington, when a couple says "the house of Willis street in Wellington, when a couple says "the house prices of Willis street in Wellington, when a couple says "the house prices are a couple says "the house prices are just a couple says "the house prices are just so a couple says "the house prices are just so phenomenal, a couple says "the house prices are just so phenomenal, it a couple says "the house prices are just so phenomenal, it is a couple says "the house prices are just so phenomenal, it is just just so phenomenal, it is just crazy" just so phenomenal, it is just crazy" is just so phenomenal, it is just crazy" is he just so phenomenal, it is just crazy" is he seriously just so phenomenal, it is just crazy" is he seriously telling just so phenomenal, it is just crazy" is he seriously telling them crazy" is he seriously telling them that crazy" is he seriously telling them that not crazy" is he seriously telling them that not being crazy" is he seriously telling them that not being able crazy" is he seriously telling them that not being able to crazy" is he seriously telling them that not being able to buy crazy" is he seriously telling them that not being able to buy a crazy" is he seriously telling them that not being able to buy a place that not being able to buy a place to that not being able to buy a place to raise that not being able to buy a place to raise their that not being able to buy a place to raise their daughter that not being able to buy a place to raise their daughter is that not being able to buy a place to raise their daughter is a that not being able to buy a place to raise their daughter is a problem to raise their daughter is a problem of to raise their daughter is a problem of success? to raise their daughter is a problem of success? I to raise their daughter is a problem of success? I can to raise their daughter is a problem of success? I can only to raise their daughter is a problem of success? I can only repeat to raise their daughter is a problem of success? I can only repeat the of success? I can only repeat the comments of success? I can only repeat the comments that of success? I can only repeat the comments that I've of success? I can only repeat the comments that I've already of success? I can only repeat the comments that I've already made of success? I can only repeat the comments that I've already made and comments that I've already made and that comments that I've already made and that is comments that I've already made and that is the comments that I've already made and that is the pressure comments that I've already made and that is the pressure for comments that I've already made and that is the pressure for that comments that I've already made and that is the pressure for that family that is the pressure for that family is, that is the pressure for that family is, of that is the pressure for that family is, of course, that is the pressure for that family is, of course, concerning, that is the pressure for that family is, of course, concerning, but that is the pressure for that family is, of course, concerning, but the is, of course, concerning, but the Government is, of course, concerning, but the Government is is, of course, concerning, but the Government is working is, of course, concerning, but the Government is working with is, of course, concerning, but the Government is working with two Government is working with two council, Government is working with two council, as Government is working with two council, as the Government is working with two council, as the mayor Government is working with two council, as the mayor has Government is working with two council, as the mayor has outline council, as the mayor has outline outlined council, as the mayor has outline outlined and council, as the mayor has outline outlined and as council, as the mayor has outline outlined and as he council, as the mayor has outline outlined and as he says council, as the mayor has outline outlined and as he says himself, outlined and as he says himself, "We're outlined and as he says himself, "We're helping outlined and as he says himself, "We're helping to outlined and as he says himself, "We're helping to address outlined and as he says himself, "We're helping to address the outlined and as he says himself, "We're helping to address the lack "We're helping to address the lack of "We're helping to address the lack of supply" "We're helping to address the lack of supply" and "We're helping to address the lack of supply" and there "We're helping to address the lack of supply" and there is "We're helping to address the lack of supply" and there is a "We're helping to address the lack of supply" and there is a whole of supply" and there is a whole range of supply" and there is a whole range of of supply" and there is a whole range of mechanisms of supply" and there is a whole range of mechanisms in of supply" and there is a whole range of mechanisms in mace of supply" and there is a whole range of mechanisms in mace by of supply" and there is a whole range of mechanisms in mace by which range of mechanisms in mace by which Government range of mechanisms in mace by which Government is range of mechanisms in mace by which Government is working range of mechanisms in mace by which Government is working with range of mechanisms in mace by which Government is working with councils Government is working with councils to Government is working with councils to address Government is working with councils to address the Government is working with councils to address the need Government is working with councils to address the need for Government is working with councils to address the need for more Government is working with councils to address the need for more supply. Said Said Mr Said Mr Grumpy Said Mr Grumpy Order! Said Mr Grumpy Order! Mr Said Mr Grumpy Order! Mr Brownlee, Said Mr Grumpy Order! Mr Brownlee, a Said Mr Grumpy Order! Mr Brownlee, a supplementary Said Mr Grumpy Order! Mr Brownlee, a supplementary question, Said Mr Grumpy Order! Mr Brownlee, a supplementary question, Andrew supplementary question, Andrew Little. supplementary question, Andrew Little. When supplementary question, Andrew Little. When an supplementary question, Andrew Little. When an 84-year-old Little. When an 84-year-old gentleman Little. When an 84-year-old gentleman has Little. When an 84-year-old gentleman has been Little. When an 84-year-old gentleman has been paying Little. When an 84-year-old gentleman has been paying $120 Little. When an 84-year-old gentleman has been paying $120 a gentleman has been paying $120 a week gentleman has been paying $120 a week to gentleman has been paying $120 a week to sleep gentleman has been paying $120 a week to sleep in gentleman has been paying $120 a week to sleep in an gentleman has been paying $120 a week to sleep in an old gentleman has been paying $120 a week to sleep in an old shed gentleman has been paying $120 a week to sleep in an old shed in week to sleep in an old shed in Henderson, week to sleep in an old shed in Henderson, is week to sleep in an old shed in Henderson, is the week to sleep in an old shed in Henderson, is the PM week to sleep in an old shed in Henderson, is the PM seriously Henderson, is the PM seriously telling Henderson, is the PM seriously telling him Henderson, is the PM seriously telling him that Henderson, is the PM seriously telling him that spending Henderson, is the PM seriously telling him that spending his telling him that spending his twilight telling him that spending his twilight years telling him that spending his twilight years in telling him that spending his twilight years in such telling him that spending his twilight years in such conditions telling him that spending his twilight years in such conditions is twilight years in such conditions is a twilight years in such conditions is a problem twilight years in such conditions is a problem of twilight years in such conditions is a problem of success? twilight years in such conditions is a problem of success? If twilight years in such conditions is a problem of success? If there twilight years in such conditions is a problem of success? If there is a problem of success? If there is any a problem of success? If there is any individual a problem of success? If there is any individual in a problem of success? If there is any individual in housing a problem of success? If there is any individual in housing that a problem of success? If there is any individual in housing that is any individual in housing that is obviously any individual in housing that is obviously of any individual in housing that is obviously of very any individual in housing that is obviously of very poor any individual in housing that is obviously of very poor quality any individual in housing that is obviously of very poor quality and obviously of very poor quality and unsuitable obviously of very poor quality and unsuitable for obviously of very poor quality and unsuitable for them, obviously of very poor quality and unsuitable for them, they obviously of very poor quality and unsuitable for them, they have obviously of very poor quality and unsuitable for them, they have the unsuitable for them, they have the opportunity, unsuitable for them, they have the opportunity, for unsuitable for them, they have the opportunity, for instance, unsuitable for them, they have the opportunity, for instance, to opportunity, for instance, to approach opportunity, for instance, to approach MSD opportunity, for instance, to approach MSD and opportunity, for instance, to approach MSD and be opportunity, for instance, to approach MSD and be placed opportunity, for instance, to approach MSD and be placed in opportunity, for instance, to approach MSD and be placed in the opportunity, for instance, to approach MSD and be placed in the - approach MSD and be placed in the - Order! approach MSD and be placed in the - Order! And approach MSD and be placed in the - Order! And be approach MSD and be placed in the - Order! And be placed approach MSD and be placed in the - Order! And be placed in approach MSD and be placed in the - Order! And be placed in the approach MSD and be placed in the - Order! And be placed in the new approach MSD and be placed in the - Order! And be placed in the new Luke Order! And be placed in the new Luke Street Order! And be placed in the new Luke Street Order! Order! And be placed in the new Luke Street Order! The Order! And be placed in the new Luke Street Order! The level Order! And be placed in the new Luke Street Order! The level of Street Order! The level of interjection Street Order! The level of interjection means Street Order! The level of interjection means it Street Order! The level of interjection means it is Street Order! The level of interjection means it is impossible interjection means it is impossible for interjection means it is impossible for the interjection means it is impossible for the rest interjection means it is impossible for the rest of interjection means it is impossible for the rest of the interjection means it is impossible for the rest of the House interjection means it is impossible for the rest of the House to interjection means it is impossible for the rest of the House to hear for the rest of the House to hear the for the rest of the House to hear the answer. for the rest of the House to hear the answer. Some for the rest of the House to hear the answer. Some members for the rest of the House to hear the answer. Some members may for the rest of the House to hear the answer. Some members may not for the rest of the House to hear the answer. Some members may not be the answer. Some members may not be interested the answer. Some members may not be interested in the answer. Some members may not be interested in the the answer. Some members may not be interested in the answer the answer. Some members may not be interested in the answer but the answer. Some members may not be interested in the answer but show interested in the answer but show respect interested in the answer but show respect for interested in the answer but show respect for the interested in the answer but show respect for the others interested in the answer but show respect for the others who interested in the answer but show respect for the others who do interested in the answer but show respect for the others who do want respect for the others who do want to respect for the others who do want to listen respect for the others who do want to listen to respect for the others who do want to listen to the respect for the others who do want to listen to the answer. respect for the others who do want to listen to the answer. It respect for the others who do want to listen to the answer. It may respect for the others who do want to listen to the answer. It may be to listen to the answer. It may be suitable to listen to the answer. It may be suitable for to listen to the answer. It may be suitable for him to listen to the answer. It may be suitable for him to to listen to the answer. It may be suitable for him to be to listen to the answer. It may be suitable for him to be placed to listen to the answer. It may be suitable for him to be placed in to listen to the answer. It may be suitable for him to be placed in the suitable for him to be placed in the new suitable for him to be placed in the new Luke suitable for him to be placed in the new Luke street suitable for him to be placed in the new Luke street house, suitable for him to be placed in the new Luke street house, a suitable for him to be placed in the new Luke street house, a group suitable for him to be placed in the new Luke street house, a group of new Luke street house, a group of several new Luke street house, a group of several dozen new Luke street house, a group of several dozen new new Luke street house, a group of several dozen new houses new Luke street house, a group of several dozen new houses built new Luke street house, a group of several dozen new houses built just several dozen new houses built just since several dozen new houses built just since October several dozen new houses built just since October when several dozen new houses built just since October when the several dozen new houses built just since October when the site several dozen new houses built just since October when the site first since October when the site first became since October when the site first became available since October when the site first became available into since October when the site first became available into which since October when the site first became available into which three since October when the site first became available into which three or became available into which three or four became available into which three or four families became available into which three or four families have became available into which three or four families have already became available into which three or four families have already moved. became available into which three or four families have already moved. A four families have already moved. A small four families have already moved. A small part four families have already moved. A small part of four families have already moved. A small part of the four families have already moved. A small part of the $300 four families have already moved. A small part of the $300 million small part of the $300 million programme small part of the $300 million programme across small part of the $300 million programme across New small part of the $300 million programme across New Zealand small part of the $300 million programme across New Zealand which programme across New Zealand which will programme across New Zealand which will supply programme across New Zealand which will supply 8,000 programme across New Zealand which will supply 8,000 - programme across New Zealand which will supply 8,000 - over programme across New Zealand which will supply 8,000 - over 8,000 will supply 8,000 - over 8,000 places will supply 8,000 - over 8,000 places for will supply 8,000 - over 8,000 places for people will supply 8,000 - over 8,000 places for people in will supply 8,000 - over 8,000 places for people in emergency places for people in emergency housing places for people in emergency housing need. places for people in emergency housing need. That places for people in emergency housing need. That has places for people in emergency housing need. That has never places for people in emergency housing need. That has never been housing need. That has never been done housing need. That has never been done before housing need. That has never been done before in housing need. That has never been done before in New housing need. That has never been done before in New Zealand. When When he When he says When he says "success" When he says "success" to When he says "success" to student When he says "success" to student wos When he says "success" to student wos can't When he says "success" to student wos can't find When he says "success" to student wos can't find a When he says "success" to student wos can't find a flat, When he says "success" to student wos can't find a flat, young When he says "success" to student wos can't find a flat, young couples wos can't find a flat, young couples who wos can't find a flat, young couples who can't wos can't find a flat, young couples who can't buy wos can't find a flat, young couples who can't buy a wos can't find a flat, young couples who can't buy a home wos can't find a flat, young couples who can't buy a home and wos can't find a flat, young couples who can't buy a home and our wos can't find a flat, young couples who can't buy a home and our elderly who can't buy a home and our elderly being who can't buy a home and our elderly being forced who can't buy a home and our elderly being forced to who can't buy a home and our elderly being forced to sleep who can't buy a home and our elderly being forced to sleep in who can't buy a home and our elderly being forced to sleep in sheds, being forced to sleep in sheds, doesn't being forced to sleep in sheds, doesn't that being forced to sleep in sheds, doesn't that just being forced to sleep in sheds, doesn't that just show being forced to sleep in sheds, doesn't that just show how being forced to sleep in sheds, doesn't that just show how out being forced to sleep in sheds, doesn't that just show how out of doesn't that just show how out of touch doesn't that just show how out of touch he doesn't that just show how out of touch he is. doesn't that just show how out of touch he is.? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, no. Mr Speaker, no. As Mr Speaker, no. As I've Mr Speaker, no. As I've just Mr Speaker, no. As I've just pointed Mr Speaker, no. As I've just pointed out. Mr Speaker, no. As I've just pointed out. The Mr Speaker, no. As I've just pointed out. The Government Mr Speaker, no. As I've just pointed out. The Government has Mr Speaker, no. As I've just pointed out. The Government has $300 Mr Speaker, no. As I've just pointed out. The Government has $300 million out. The Government has $300 million expenditure out. The Government has $300 million expenditure on out. The Government has $300 million expenditure on emergency out. The Government has $300 million expenditure on emergency housing expenditure on emergency housing which expenditure on emergency housing which is expenditure on emergency housing which is now expenditure on emergency housing which is now beginning expenditure on emergency housing which is now beginning to expenditure on emergency housing which is now beginning to roll expenditure on emergency housing which is now beginning to roll out, which is now beginning to roll out, and which is now beginning to roll out, and will which is now beginning to roll out, and will supply which is now beginning to roll out, and will supply places which is now beginning to roll out, and will supply places for which is now beginning to roll out, and will supply places for 8,000 and will supply places for 8,000 people. and will supply places for 8,000 people. I and will supply places for 8,000 people. I might and will supply places for 8,000 people. I might say and will supply places for 8,000 people. I might say that and will supply places for 8,000 people. I might say that when and will supply places for 8,000 people. I might say that when that people. I might say that when that party people. I might say that when that party was people. I might say that when that party was in people. I might say that when that party was in Government people. I might say that when that party was in Government in people. I might say that when that party was in Government in the people. I might say that when that party was in Government in the early party was in Government in the early 2000s party was in Government in the early 2000s when party was in Government in the early 2000s when there party was in Government in the early 2000s when there was party was in Government in the early 2000s when there was house party was in Government in the early 2000s when there was house price 2000s when there was house price increases, 2000s when there was house price increases, they 2000s when there was house price increases, they didn't 2000s when there was house price increases, they didn't do 2000s when there was house price increases, they didn't do anything increases, they didn't do anything to increases, they didn't do anything to deal increases, they didn't do anything to deal with increases, they didn't do anything to deal with the increases, they didn't do anything to deal with the pressures increases, they didn't do anything to deal with the pressures of to deal with the pressures of emergency to deal with the pressures of emergency housing, to deal with the pressures of emergency housing, which to deal with the pressures of emergency housing, which is to deal with the pressures of emergency housing, which is why to deal with the pressures of emergency housing, which is why this emergency housing, which is why this Government emergency housing, which is why this Government had emergency housing, which is why this Government had to emergency housing, which is why this Government had to create emergency housing, which is why this Government had to create a emergency housing, which is why this Government had to create a whole emergency housing, which is why this Government had to create a whole new Government had to create a whole new system Government had to create a whole new system for Government had to create a whole new system for it. Government had to create a whole new system for it. But Government had to create a whole new system for it. But I Government had to create a whole new system for it. But I must Government had to create a whole new system for it. But I must say Government had to create a whole new system for it. But I must say it Government had to create a whole new system for it. But I must say it is system for it. But I must say it is pleasing system for it. But I must say it is pleasing to system for it. But I must say it is pleasing to see system for it. But I must say it is pleasing to see that system for it. But I must say it is pleasing to see that Wellington, pleasing to see that Wellington, after pleasing to see that Wellington, after a pleasing to see that Wellington, after a period pleasing to see that Wellington, after a period of pleasing to see that Wellington, after a period of relatively pleasing to see that Wellington, after a period of relatively low after a period of relatively low growth, after a period of relatively low growth, is after a period of relatively low growth, is now after a period of relatively low growth, is now an after a period of relatively low growth, is now an attractive after a period of relatively low growth, is now an attractive place growth, is now an attractive place to growth, is now an attractive place to live, growth, is now an attractive place to live, and growth, is now an attractive place to live, and I growth, is now an attractive place to live, and I think growth, is now an attractive place to live, and I think we growth, is now an attractive place to live, and I think we should growth, is now an attractive place to live, and I think we should be to live, and I think we should be proud, to live, and I think we should be proud, and to live, and I think we should be proud, and the to live, and I think we should be proud, and the city to live, and I think we should be proud, and the city should to live, and I think we should be proud, and the city should be to live, and I think we should be proud, and the city should be proud, proud, and the city should be proud, of proud, and the city should be proud, of the proud, and the city should be proud, of the demand proud, and the city should be proud, of the demand for proud, and the city should be proud, of the demand for housing proud, and the city should be proud, of the demand for housing going proud, and the city should be proud, of the demand for housing going on of the demand for housing going on in of the demand for housing going on in the of the demand for housing going on in the city. Which Which of Which of Nick Which of Nick Smith's Which of Nick Smith's so-called Which of Nick Smith's so-called successes Which of Nick Smith's so-called successes is Which of Nick Smith's so-called successes is he Which of Nick Smith's so-called successes is he most Which of Nick Smith's so-called successes is he most proud Which of Nick Smith's so-called successes is he most proud of. successes is he most proud of. Building successes is he most proud of. Building fewer successes is he most proud of. Building fewer houses successes is he most proud of. Building fewer houses than successes is he most proud of. Building fewer houses than we successes is he most proud of. Building fewer houses than we did successes is he most proud of. Building fewer houses than we did 12 Building fewer houses than we did 12 years Building fewer houses than we did 12 years ago, Building fewer houses than we did 12 years ago, falling Building fewer houses than we did 12 years ago, falling building years ago, falling building consents, years ago, falling building consents, selling years ago, falling building consents, selling off years ago, falling building consents, selling off state years ago, falling building consents, selling off state houses consents, selling off state houses during consents, selling off state houses during a consents, selling off state houses during a housing consents, selling off state houses during a housing crisis, consents, selling off state houses during a housing crisis, the consents, selling off state houses during a housing crisis, the lowest during a housing crisis, the lowest home during a housing crisis, the lowest home ownership during a housing crisis, the lowest home ownership in during a housing crisis, the lowest home ownership in 66 during a housing crisis, the lowest home ownership in 66 years, during a housing crisis, the lowest home ownership in 66 years, the home ownership in 66 years, the fourth home ownership in 66 years, the fourth most home ownership in 66 years, the fourth most unaffordable home ownership in 66 years, the fourth most unaffordable city home ownership in 66 years, the fourth most unaffordable city in home ownership in 66 years, the fourth most unaffordable city in the fourth most unaffordable city in the world fourth most unaffordable city in the world or fourth most unaffordable city in the world or foreign fourth most unaffordable city in the world or foreign speculators fourth most unaffordable city in the world or foreign speculators buying world or foreign speculators buying more world or foreign speculators buying more of world or foreign speculators buying more of our world or foreign speculators buying more of our houses world or foreign speculators buying more of our houses than world or foreign speculators buying more of our houses than ever world or foreign speculators buying more of our houses than ever before? 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Most recently the $1 billion housing recently the $1 billion housing infrastructure recently the $1 billion housing infrastructure fund recently the $1 billion housing infrastructure fund into recently the $1 billion housing infrastructure fund into which infrastructure fund into which Wellington infrastructure fund into which Wellington council infrastructure fund into which Wellington council has infrastructure fund into which Wellington council has every infrastructure fund into which Wellington council has every right Wellington council has every right to Wellington council has every right to bid Wellington council has every right to bid if Wellington council has every right to bid if they Wellington council has every right to bid if they want Wellington council has every right to bid if they want help Wellington council has every right to bid if they want help with Wellington council has every right to bid if they want help with their to bid if they want help with their supply to bid if they want help with their supply of to bid if they want help with their supply of housing. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Justice: My question is to the Minister of Justice: What My question is to the Minister of Justice: What recent My question is to the Minister of Justice: What recent announcements Justice: What recent announcements has Justice: What recent announcements has she Justice: What recent announcements has she made Justice: What recent announcements has she made about Justice: What recent announcements has she made about justice Justice: What recent announcements has she made about justice sector has she made about justice sector investment? 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The justice sector fund enables underspends sector fund enables underspends across sector fund enables underspends across all sector fund enables underspends across all agencies sector fund enables underspends across all agencies to sector fund enables underspends across all agencies to be sector fund enables underspends across all agencies to be retained across all agencies to be retained and across all agencies to be retained and reused across all agencies to be retained and reused to across all agencies to be retained and reused to fund across all agencies to be retained and reused to fund projects across all agencies to be retained and reused to fund projects to and reused to fund projects to support and reused to fund projects to support is and reused to fund projects to support is the and reused to fund projects to support is the reduction and reused to fund projects to support is the reduction of and reused to fund projects to support is the reduction of crime support is the reduction of crime and support is the reduction of crime and allows support is the reduction of crime and allows agencies support is the reduction of crime and allows agencies to support is the reduction of crime and allows agencies to trial support is the reduction of crime and allows agencies to trial new and allows agencies to trial new initiatives and allows agencies to trial new initiatives that and allows agencies to trial new initiatives that deliver and allows agencies to trial new initiatives that deliver better initiatives that deliver better results initiatives that deliver better results for initiatives that deliver better results for New initiatives that deliver better results for New Zealanders. initiatives that deliver better results for New Zealanders. 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justice programmes, $14.2 million into programmes, $14.2 million into mental programmes, $14.2 million into mental health programmes, $14.2 million into mental health services programmes, $14.2 million into mental health services across programmes, $14.2 million into mental health services across the mental health services across the justice mental health services across the justice sector mental health services across the justice sector and mental health services across the justice sector and an mental health services across the justice sector and an additional justice sector and an additional $1.2 justice sector and an additional $1.2 million justice sector and an additional $1.2 million for justice sector and an additional $1.2 million for the justice sector and an additional $1.2 million for the alcohol justice sector and an additional $1.2 million for the alcohol and $1.2 million for the alcohol and drug $1.2 million for the alcohol and drug treatment $1.2 million for the alcohol and drug treatment courts, $1.2 million for the alcohol and drug treatment courts, $2.3 $1.2 million for the alcohol and drug treatment courts, $2.3 million drug treatment courts, $2.3 million for drug treatment courts, $2.3 million for community drug treatment courts, $2.3 million for community and drug treatment courts, $2.3 million for community and iwi drug treatment courts, $2.3 million for community and iwi panels drug treatment courts, $2.3 million for community and iwi panels that for community and iwi panels that respond for community and iwi panels that respond to for community and iwi panels that respond to low for community and iwi panels that respond to low level for community and iwi panels that respond to low level offending for community and iwi panels that respond to low level offending and respond to low level offending and address respond to low level offending and address factors respond to low level offending and address factors relating respond to low level 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Last year's roadshows were and information available to them. Last year's roadshows were very Last year's roadshows were very well-attended Last year's roadshows were very well-attended and Last year's roadshows were very well-attended and reinforced Last year's roadshows were very well-attended and reinforced how well-attended and reinforced how important well-attended and reinforced how important it well-attended and reinforced how important it is well-attended and reinforced how important it is to well-attended and reinforced how important it is to continuously important it is to continuously engage important it is to continuously engage with important it is to continuously engage with small important it is to continuously engage with small businesses important it is to continuously engage with small businesses and important it is to continuously engage with small businesses and how engage with small businesses and how critical engage with small businesses and how critical it engage with small businesses and how critical it is engage with small businesses and how critical it is to engage with small businesses and how critical it is to increase engage with small businesses and how critical it is to increase the critical it is to increase the visibility critical it is to increase the visibility of critical it is to increase the visibility of support critical it is to increase the visibility of support that critical it is to increase the visibility of support that they critical it is to increase the visibility of support that they can visibility of support that they can access. visibility of support that they can access. 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How How is How is she How is she supporting How is she supporting earthquake-affected How is she supporting earthquake-affected areas, How is she supporting earthquake-affected areas, such How is she supporting earthquake-affected areas, such as earthquake-affected areas, such as Kaichoreo, earthquake-affected areas, such as Kaichoreo, through earthquake-affected areas, such as Kaichoreo, through the earthquake-affected areas, such as Kaichoreo, through the 2017 Kaichoreo, through the 2017 roadshows? Kaichoreo, through the 2017 roadshows? Thank Kaichoreo, through the 2017 roadshows? Thank you. Kaichoreo, through the 2017 roadshows? Thank you. Today Kaichoreo, through the 2017 roadshows? Thank you. Today I roadshows? Thank you. Today I announced roadshows? Thank you. Today I announced the roadshows? Thank you. Today I announced the first roadshows? Thank you. Today I announced the first roadshow roadshows? Thank you. Today I announced the first roadshow for announced the first roadshow for 2017 announced the first roadshow for 2017 will announced the first roadshow for 2017 will be announced the first roadshow for 2017 will be held announced the first roadshow for 2017 will be held in announced the first roadshow for 2017 will be held in Kaikoura. 2017 will be held in Kaikoura. Kaikoura 2017 will be held in Kaikoura. Kaikoura and 2017 will be held in Kaikoura. Kaikoura and the 2017 will be held in Kaikoura. Kaikoura and the surrounding 2017 will be held in Kaikoura. 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This roadshow will support small roadshow will support small businesses roadshow will support small businesses in roadshow will support small businesses in the roadshow will support small businesses in the area roadshow will support small businesses in the area with roadshow will support small businesses in the area with a businesses in the area with a particular businesses in the area with a particular focus businesses in the area with a particular focus on businesses in the area with a particular focus on earthquake particular focus on earthquake recovery-related particular focus on earthquake recovery-related matters. particular focus on earthquake recovery-related matters. I particular focus on earthquake recovery-related matters. I have recovery-related matters. I have also recovery-related matters. I have also announced recovery-related matters. I have also announced that recovery-related matters. I have also announced that the recovery-related matters. I have also announced that the next also announced that the next roadshow also announced that the next roadshow will also announced that the next roadshow will be also announced that the next roadshow will be held also announced that the next roadshow will be held in also announced that the next roadshow will be held in Blennan. also announced that the next roadshow will be held in Blennan. It roadshow will be held in Blennan. It had roadshow will be held in Blennan. It had a roadshow will be held in Blennan. It had a roadshow roadshow will be held in Blennan. It had a roadshow that roadshow will be held in Blennan. It had a roadshow that was roadshow will be held in Blennan. It had a roadshow that was scheduled had a roadshow that was scheduled last had a roadshow that was scheduled last year had a roadshow that was scheduled last year but had a roadshow that was scheduled last year but was had a roadshow that was scheduled last year but was postponed had a roadshow that was scheduled last year but was postponed due had a roadshow that was scheduled last year but was postponed due to last year but was postponed due to the last year but was postponed due to the earthquake. last year but was postponed due to the earthquake. How last year but was postponed due to the earthquake. How is last year but was postponed due to the earthquake. How is she the earthquake. How is she supporting the earthquake. How is she supporting Maori the earthquake. How is she supporting Maori business the earthquake. How is she supporting Maori business and supporting Maori business and enterprise supporting Maori business and enterprise through supporting Maori business and enterprise through the supporting Maori business and enterprise through the 2017 enterprise through the 2017 roadshows? enterprise through the 2017 roadshows? Thank enterprise through the 2017 roadshows? Thank you. enterprise through the 2017 roadshows? Thank you. This enterprise through the 2017 roadshows? Thank you. This year, roadshows? Thank you. This year, there roadshows? Thank you. This year, there will roadshows? Thank you. This year, there will be roadshows? Thank you. This year, there will be two roadshows? Thank you. This year, there will be two roadshows there will be two roadshows specifically there will be two roadshows specifically designed there will be two roadshows specifically designed for there will be two roadshows specifically designed for Maori specifically designed for Maori business. specifically designed for Maori business. These specifically designed for Maori business. These will specifically designed for Maori business. These will be specifically designed for Maori business. These will be held specifically designed for Maori business. These will be held in business. These will be held in Kaitia business. These will be held in Kaitia and business. These will be held in Kaitia and if business. These will be held in Kaitia and if you business. These will be held in Kaitia and if you can business. These will be held in Kaitia and if you can tanny. business. These will be held in Kaitia and if you can tanny. -- business. These will be held in Kaitia and if you can tanny. -- and Kaitia and if you can tanny. -- and whakatani. Kaitia and if you can tanny. -- and whakatani. It Kaitia and if you can tanny. -- and whakatani. It is Kaitia and if you can tanny. -- and whakatani. It is important Kaitia and if you can tanny. -- and whakatani. It is important we whakatani. It is important we support whakatani. It is important we support Maori whakatani. It is important we support Maori business. whakatani. It is important we support Maori business. I whakatani. It is important we support Maori business. I am whakatani. It is important we support Maori business. I am also support Maori business. I am also talking support Maori business. I am also talking to support Maori business. I am also talking to my support Maori business. I am also talking to my ministerial support Maori business. I am also talking to my ministerial colleagues talking to my ministerial colleagues and talking to my ministerial colleagues and Government talking to my ministerial colleagues and Government partners talking to my ministerial colleagues and Government partners about and Government partners about further and Government partners about further opportunities and Government partners about further opportunities to and Government partners about further opportunities to support further opportunities to support Maori further opportunities to support Maori business further opportunities to support Maori business and further opportunities to support Maori business and enterprise. Maori business and enterprise. Order! Maori business and enterprise. Order! Question Maori business and enterprise. Order! Question No. Maori business and enterprise. Order! Question No. 7. Maori business and enterprise. Order! Question No. 7. The Maori business and enterprise. Order! Question No. 7. The Rt Maori business and enterprise. Order! Question No. 7. The Rt Hon Order! Question No. 7. The Rt Hon Winston Order! Question No. 7. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Prime My question is to the Prime Minister: My question is to the Prime Minister: Does My question is to the Prime Minister: Does he My question is to the Prime Minister: Does he stand My question is to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by My question is to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all My question is to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Minister: Does he stand by all his statements Minister: Does he stand by all his statements regarding Minister: Does he stand by all his statements regarding superannuation; statements regarding superannuation; if statements regarding superannuation; if so, statements regarding superannuation; if so, why? The The Rt The Rt Hon The Rt Hon PM. The Rt Hon PM. Yes, The Rt Hon PM. 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That's why we've taken the step of outlining a we've taken the step of outlining a fair we've taken the step of outlining a fair and we've taken the step of outlining a fair and reasonable we've taken the step of outlining a fair and reasonable process we've taken the step of outlining a fair and reasonable process for fair and reasonable process for increasing fair and reasonable process for increasing the fair and reasonable process for increasing the age fair and reasonable process for increasing the age of fair and reasonable process for increasing the age of New fair and reasonable process for increasing the age of New Zealand increasing the age of New Zealand Super increasing the age of New Zealand Super to increasing the age of New Zealand Super to 67, increasing the age of New Zealand Super to 67, starting increasing the age of New Zealand Super to 67, starting in increasing the age of New Zealand Super to 67, starting in 20 increasing the age of New Zealand Super to 67, starting in 20 years' Super to 67, starting in 20 years' time, Super to 67, starting in 20 years' time, because Super to 67, starting in 20 years' time, because we Super to 67, starting in 20 years' time, because we believe Super to 67, starting in 20 years' time, because we believe it's Super to 67, starting in 20 years' time, because we believe it's an time, because we believe it's an issue time, because we believe it's an issue that time, because we believe it's an issue that is time, because we believe it's an issue that is best time, because we believe it's an issue that is best dealt time, because we believe it's an issue that is best dealt with time, because we believe it's an issue that is best dealt with well issue that is best dealt with well ahead issue that is best dealt with well ahead of issue that is best dealt with well ahead of time, issue that is best dealt with well ahead of time, rather issue that is best dealt with well ahead of time, rather than ahead of time, rather than pretending ahead of time, rather than pretending - ahead of time, rather than pretending - rather ahead of time, rather than pretending - rather than ahead of time, rather than pretending - rather than pretending pretending - rather than pretending nothing pretending - rather than pretending nothing should pretending - rather than pretending nothing should change pretending - rather than pretending nothing should change anged pretending - rather than pretending nothing should change anged making nothing should change anged making harsh nothing should change anged making harsh decisions nothing should change anged making harsh decisions when nothing should change anged making harsh decisions when -- nothing should change anged making harsh decisions when -- and nothing should change anged making harsh decisions when -- and making harsh decisions when -- and making harsh harsh decisions when -- and making harsh decisions harsh decisions when -- and making harsh decisions when harsh decisions when -- and making harsh decisions when it's harsh decisions when -- and making harsh decisions when it's too harsh decisions when -- and making harsh decisions when it's too late. harsh decisions when it's too late. Order! harsh decisions when it's too late. Order! Supplementary harsh decisions when it's too late. Order! Supplementary question, harsh decisions when it's too late. Order! Supplementary question, Rt Order! Supplementary question, Rt Hon Order! Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Order! Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. Order! Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. PM, Order! Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. PM, if Order! Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. PM, if a Hon Winston Peters. PM, if a proposal Hon Winston Peters. PM, if a proposal two Hon Winston Peters. PM, if a proposal two years Hon Winston Peters. PM, if a proposal two years ago Hon Winston Peters. PM, if a proposal two years ago to Hon Winston Peters. 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Supplementary will be moved from 10 years to 20 years. Supplementary question, will be moved from 10 years to 20 years. Supplementary question, Rt years. Supplementary question, Rt Hon years. Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston years. Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. years. Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. Will years. Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. Will he years. Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. Will he disown Hon Winston Peters. Will he disown comments Hon Winston Peters. Will he disown comments of Hon Winston Peters. Will he disown comments of his Hon Winston Peters. Will he disown comments of his Cabinet Hon Winston Peters. 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The is code for means-testing super. The Rt is code for means-testing super. The Rt Hon is code for means-testing super. The Rt Hon PM. is code for means-testing super. The Rt Hon PM. Well, is code for means-testing super. The Rt Hon PM. Well, if is code for means-testing super. The Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's is code for means-testing super. The Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what is code for means-testing super. The Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what the Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what the member Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what the member thinks Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what the member thinks it's Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what the member thinks it's code Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what the member thinks it's code for, Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what the member thinks it's code for, then Rt Hon PM. Well, if that's what the member thinks it's code for, then we member thinks it's code for, then we would, member thinks it's code for, then we would, uh, member thinks it's code for, then we would, uh, certainly member thinks it's code for, then we would, uh, certainly disagree member thinks it's code for, then we would, uh, certainly disagree with would, uh, certainly disagree with that would, uh, certainly disagree with that comment. would, uh, certainly disagree with that comment. The would, uh, certainly disagree with that comment. The Government would, uh, certainly disagree with that comment. The Government has would, uh, certainly disagree with that comment. The Government has no that comment. The Government has no plans that comment. The Government has no plans for that comment. The Government has no plans for means-testing that comment. The Government has no plans for means-testing National plans for means-testing National Super. plans for means-testing National Super. Why plans for means-testing National Super. Why is plans for means-testing National Super. Why is the plans for means-testing National Super. Why is the Government plans for means-testing National Super. Why is the Government so Super. Why is the Government so opposed Super. Why is the Government so opposed to Super. Why is the Government so opposed to abolishing Super. Why is the Government so opposed to abolishing Section Super. Why is the Government so opposed to abolishing Section 70 Super. Why is the Government so opposed to abolishing Section 70 of opposed to abolishing Section 70 of the opposed to abolishing Section 70 of the Social opposed to abolishing Section 70 of the Social Security opposed to abolishing Section 70 of the Social Security Act opposed to abolishing Section 70 of the Social Security Act 1964, opposed to abolishing Section 70 of the Social Security Act 1964, which the Social Security Act 1964, which is the Social Security Act 1964, which is so the Social Security Act 1964, which is so unfair the Social Security Act 1964, which is so unfair to the Social Security Act 1964, which is so unfair to migrants the Social Security Act 1964, which is so unfair to migrants in the Social Security Act 1964, which is so unfair to migrants in New is so unfair to migrants in New Zealand is so unfair to migrants in New Zealand who is so unfair to migrants in New Zealand who have is so unfair to migrants in New Zealand who have an is so unfair to migrants in New Zealand who have an overseas is so unfair to migrants in New Zealand who have an overseas pension Zealand who have an overseas pension arrangement? 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Well, the measure - I think the measure that the member is think the measure that the member is referring think the measure that the member is referring to think the measure that the member is referring to is think the measure that the member is referring to is just think the measure that the member is referring to is just a think the measure that the member is referring to is just a long-standing referring to is just a long-standing measure referring to is just a long-standing measure that referring to is just a long-standing measure that New referring to is just a long-standing measure that New Zealand's referring to is just a long-standing measure that New Zealand's had referring to is just a long-standing measure that New Zealand's had in measure that New Zealand's had in place measure that New Zealand's had in place through measure that New Zealand's had in place through successive measure that New Zealand's had in place through successive governments place through successive governments because place through successive governments because we place through successive governments because we believe place through successive governments because we believe that's place through successive governments because we believe that's what's because we believe that's what's fair because we believe that's what's fair and because we believe that's what's fair and reasonable because we believe that's what's fair and reasonable to because we believe that's what's fair and reasonable to both because we believe that's what's fair and reasonable to both the fair and reasonable to both the migrant fair and reasonable to both the migrant and fair and reasonable to both the migrant and New fair and reasonable to both the migrant and New Zealand fair and reasonable to both the migrant and New Zealand taxpayers. migrant and New Zealand taxpayers. Thank migrant and New Zealand taxpayers. Thank you. migrant and New Zealand taxpayers. Thank you. What migrant and New Zealand taxpayers. Thank you. What is migrant and New Zealand taxpayers. Thank you. What is their migrant and New Zealand taxpayers. Thank you. What is their redeemable Thank you. What is their redeemable but Thank you. What is their redeemable but a Thank you. What is their redeemable but a long-term Thank you. What is their redeemable but a long-term arrangement Thank you. What is their redeemable but a long-term arrangement if Thank you. What is their redeemable but a long-term arrangement if it's but a long-term arrangement if it's wrong, but a long-term arrangement if it's wrong, and but a long-term arrangement if it's wrong, and rather but a long-term arrangement if it's wrong, and rather than but a long-term arrangement if it's wrong, and rather than Kiwi wrong, and rather than Kiwi taxpayers wrong, and rather than Kiwi taxpayers being wrong, and rather than Kiwi taxpayers being ripped wrong, and rather than Kiwi taxpayers being ripped off wrong, and rather than Kiwi taxpayers being ripped off by taxpayers being ripped off by reciprocal taxpayers being ripped off by reciprocal pension taxpayers being ripped off by reciprocal pension agreements, taxpayers being ripped off by reciprocal pension agreements, why reciprocal pension agreements, why don't reciprocal pension agreements, why don't we reciprocal pension agreements, why don't we ditch reciprocal pension agreements, why don't we ditch them, reciprocal pension agreements, why don't we ditch them, adopt reciprocal pension agreements, why don't we ditch them, adopt a reciprocal pension agreements, why don't we ditch them, adopt a 25-year don't we ditch them, adopt a 25-year requirement don't we ditch them, adopt a 25-year requirement and don't we ditch them, adopt a 25-year requirement and allow don't we ditch them, adopt a 25-year requirement and allow migrants don't we ditch them, adopt a 25-year requirement and allow migrants to requirement and allow migrants to bring requirement and allow migrants to bring their requirement and allow migrants to bring their overseas requirement and allow migrants to bring their overseas pension requirement and allow migrants to bring their overseas pension here bring their overseas pension here intact? bring their overseas pension here intact? Order! bring their overseas pension here intact? Order! Well, bring their overseas pension here intact? Order! Well, we bring their overseas pension here intact? Order! Well, we think bring their overseas pension here intact? Order! Well, we think the intact? Order! Well, we think the current intact? Order! Well, we think the current arrangements intact? Order! Well, we think the current arrangements involving current arrangements involving reciprocal current arrangements involving reciprocal agreements current arrangements involving reciprocal agreements with current arrangements involving reciprocal agreements with other reciprocal agreements with other countries reciprocal agreements with other countries work reciprocal agreements with other countries work best reciprocal agreements with other countries work best both reciprocal agreements with other countries work best both with reciprocal agreements with other countries work best both with the countries work best both with the citizens countries work best both with the citizens of countries work best both with the citizens of other countries work best both with the citizens of other countries countries work best both with the citizens of other countries coming citizens of other countries coming here citizens of other countries coming here and citizens of other countries coming here and New citizens of other countries coming here and New Zealanders citizens of other countries coming here and New Zealanders going citizens of other countries coming here and New Zealanders going to here and New Zealanders going to other here and New Zealanders going to other countries. here and New Zealanders going to other countries. 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Why on earth does the policy announced this week by the Government. Why on earth does he the Government. Why on earth does he expect the Government. Why on earth does he expect New the Government. Why on earth does he expect New Zealanders the Government. Why on earth does he expect New Zealanders to the Government. Why on earth does he expect New Zealanders to trust the Government. 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But indications are pretty good public support for it. But I indications are pretty good public support for it. But I know indications are pretty good public support for it. But I know how support for it. But I know how difficult support for it. But I know how difficult it support for it. But I know how difficult it must support for it. But I know how difficult it must be support for it. But I know how difficult it must be for support for it. But I know how difficult it must be for the support for it. But I know how difficult it must be for the member difficult it must be for the member to difficult it must be for the member to maintain difficult it must be for the member to maintain his difficult it must be for the member to maintain his manufactured to maintain his manufactured outrage, to maintain his manufactured outrage, because to maintain his manufactured outrage, because he to maintain his manufactured outrage, because he can't to maintain his manufactured outrage, because he can't find outrage, because he can't find anything outrage, because he can't find anything he outrage, because he can't find anything he disagrees outrage, because he can't find anything he disagrees with outrage, because he can't find anything he disagrees with in outrage, because he can't find anything he disagrees with in the anything he disagrees with in the policy anything he disagrees with in the policy that anything he disagrees with in the policy that we've anything he disagrees with in the policy that we've announced. anything he disagrees with in the policy that we've announced. 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Well, I, you know, expect there could be some you know, expect there could be some debate you know, expect there could be some debate between you know, expect there could be some debate between the you know, expect there could be some debate between the 20-year you know, expect there could be some debate between the 20-year threshold debate between the 20-year threshold we've debate between the 20-year threshold we've proposed debate between the 20-year threshold we've proposed and debate between the 20-year threshold we've proposed and the debate between the 20-year threshold we've proposed and the 25-year we've proposed and the 25-year threshold we've proposed and the 25-year threshold that we've proposed and the 25-year threshold that member's we've proposed and the 25-year threshold that member's proposed. threshold that member's proposed. And threshold that member's proposed. And I'm threshold that member's proposed. And I'm pleased threshold that member's proposed. 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And I'm pleased to see that if that And I'm pleased to see that if that is And I'm pleased to see that if that is the And I'm pleased to see that if that is the one And I'm pleased to see that if that is the one difference And I'm pleased to see that if that is the one difference of And I'm pleased to see that if that is the one difference of opinion, is the one difference of opinion, then is the one difference of opinion, then perhaps is the one difference of opinion, then perhaps our is the one difference of opinion, then perhaps our policy is the one difference of opinion, then perhaps our policy has is the one difference of opinion, then perhaps our policy has more then perhaps our policy has more support then perhaps our policy has more support than then perhaps our policy has more support than even then perhaps our policy has more support than even the then perhaps our policy has more support than even the member then perhaps our policy has more support than even the member is support than even the member is aware support than even the member is aware of. support than even the member is aware of. Question support than even the member is aware of. Question No. support than even the member is aware of. Question No. 8. support than even the member is aware of. Question No. 8. Grant aware of. Question No. 8. Grant Robertson. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he agree My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he agree with My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he agree with the Finance: Does he agree with the former Finance: Does he agree with the former Minister Finance: Does he agree with the former Minister of Finance: Does he agree with the former Minister of Finance Finance: Does he agree with the former Minister of Finance Bill former Minister of Finance Bill English's former Minister of Finance Bill English's statement, former Minister of Finance Bill English's statement, in former Minister of Finance Bill English's statement, in regard former Minister of Finance Bill English's statement, in regard to English's statement, in regard to the English's statement, in regard to the New English's statement, in regard to the New Zealand English's statement, in regard to the New Zealand Super English's statement, in regard to the New Zealand Super Fund, English's statement, in regard to the New Zealand Super Fund, "when the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses return the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses return we the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses return we will the New Zealand Super Fund, "when surpluses return we will resume surpluses return we will resume contributions"? The The Hon The Hon Steven The Hon Steven Joyce. The Hon Steven Joyce. I The Hon Steven Joyce. I agree The Hon Steven Joyce. I agree with The Hon Steven Joyce. I agree with the The Hon Steven Joyce. I agree with the former The Hon Steven Joyce. I agree with the former Finance The Hon Steven Joyce. I agree with the former Finance Minister The Hon Steven Joyce. I agree with the former Finance Minister and the former Finance Minister and current the former Finance Minister and current PM the former Finance Minister and current PM on the former Finance Minister and current PM on the the former Finance Minister and current PM on the subject. the former Finance Minister and current PM on the subject. The current PM on the subject. The Government current PM on the subject. The Government has current PM on the subject. The Government has outlined current PM on the subject. The Government has outlined its current PM on the subject. The Government has outlined its position Government has outlined its position many, Government has outlined its position many, many Government has outlined its position many, many times Government has outlined its position many, many times over Government has outlined its position many, many times over recent Government has outlined its position many, many times over recent years many, many times over recent years that many, many times over recent years that we many, many times over recent years that we will many, many times over recent years that we will resume many, many times over recent years that we will resume contributions many, many times over recent years that we will resume contributions to that we will resume contributions to the that we will resume contributions to the Super that we will resume contributions to the Super Fund that we will resume contributions to the Super Fund when that we will resume contributions to the Super Fund when core that we will resume contributions to the Super Fund when core Crown that we will resume contributions to the Super Fund when core Crown net the Super Fund when core Crown net debt the Super Fund when core Crown net debt falls the Super Fund when core Crown net debt falls below the Super Fund when core Crown net debt falls below 20% the Super Fund when core Crown net debt falls below 20% of the Super Fund when core Crown net debt falls below 20% of GDP. the Super Fund when core Crown net debt falls below 20% of GDP. This the Super Fund when core Crown net debt falls below 20% of GDP. This is debt falls below 20% of GDP. This is currently debt falls below 20% of GDP. This is currently expected debt falls below 20% of GDP. This is currently expected to debt falls below 20% of GDP. This is currently expected to occur debt falls below 20% of GDP. This is currently expected to occur between currently expected to occur between 2020/21. currently expected to occur between 2020/21. Point currently expected to occur between 2020/21. Point of currently expected to occur between 2020/21. Point of order. currently expected to occur between 2020/21. Point of order. Mr currently expected to occur between 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table question 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table question 7 2020/21. Point of order. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table question 7 of I seek leave to table question 7 of 18 I seek leave to table question 7 of 18 Tarin I seek leave to table question 7 of 18 Tarin Kowt I seek leave to table question 7 of 18 Tarin Kowt 2016 I seek leave to table question 7 of 18 Tarin Kowt 2016 and I seek leave to table question 7 of 18 Tarin Kowt 2016 and question I seek leave to table question 7 of 18 Tarin Kowt 2016 and question -- 18 Tarin Kowt 2016 and question -- October 18 Tarin Kowt 2016 and question -- October 2016... 18 Tarin Kowt 2016 and question -- October 2016... Order! 18 Tarin Kowt 2016 and question -- October 2016... Order! Members October 2016... Order! Members can... October 2016... Order! Members can... Members October 2016... Order! Members can... Members are October 2016... Order! Members can... Members are allowed October 2016... 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In light of his predecessor's various statements predecessor's various statements that predecessor's various statements that the predecessor's various statements that the Government predecessor's various statements that the Government would predecessor's various statements that the Government would restart that the Government would restart Super that the Government would restart Super Fund that the Government would restart Super Fund contributions that the Government would restart Super Fund contributions when that the Government would restart Super Fund contributions when the Super Fund contributions when the Government Super Fund contributions when the Government reached Super Fund contributions when the Government reached surplus, Super Fund contributions when the Government reached surplus, it Super Fund contributions when the Government reached surplus, it would Government reached surplus, it would restart Government reached surplus, it would restart them Government reached surplus, it would restart them in Government reached surplus, it would restart them in 2017, Government reached surplus, it would restart them in 2017, then Government reached surplus, it would restart them in 2017, then that Government reached surplus, it would restart them in 2017, then that it restart them in 2017, then that it would restart them in 2017, then that it would restart restart them in 2017, then that it would restart them restart them in 2017, then that it would restart them in restart them in 2017, then that it would restart them in 2019, restart them in 2017, then that it would restart them in 2019, and restart them in 2017, then that it would restart them in 2019, and now would restart them in 2019, and now that would restart them in 2019, and now that it would restart them in 2019, and now that it will would restart them in 2019, and now that it will restart would restart them in 2019, and now that it will restart them would restart them in 2019, and now that it will restart them in would restart them in 2019, and now that it will restart them in 2021, that it will restart them in 2021, isn't that it will restart them in 2021, isn't the that it will restart them in 2021, isn't the truth that it will restart them in 2021, isn't the truth that that it will restart them in 2021, isn't the truth that he that it will restart them in 2021, isn't the truth that he never isn't the truth that he never intends isn't the truth that he never intends to isn't the truth that he never intends to restart isn't the truth that he never intends to restart them? isn't the truth that he never intends to restart them? 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Well, I feel obliged now to raise those feel obliged now to raise those questions feel obliged now to raise those questions from feel obliged now to raise those questions from last feel obliged now to raise those questions from last year, feel obliged now to raise those questions from last year, which feel obliged now to raise those questions from last year, which were questions from last year, which were answered questions from last year, which were answered in questions from last year, which were answered in exactly questions from last year, which were answered in exactly the questions from last year, which were answered in exactly the same questions from last year, which were answered in exactly the same manner answered in exactly the same manner as answered in exactly the same manner as this answered in exactly the same manner as this particular answered in exactly the same manner as this particular line answered in exactly the same manner as this particular line of as this particular line of questioning as this particular line of questioning today. as this particular line of questioning today. 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Question No. 10. Eugenie Sage. Tena recommendations. Question No. 10. Eugenie Sage. Tena koe. 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No. No. And No. And that No. And that view No. And that view is No. And that view is not No. And that view is not shared No. And that view is not shared by No. And that view is not shared by the No. And that view is not shared by the 65 No. And that view is not shared by the 65 Forum No. And that view is not shared by the 65 Forum organisations, No. And that view is not shared by the 65 Forum organisations, nor No. And that view is not shared by the 65 Forum organisations, nor the the 65 Forum organisations, nor the majority the 65 Forum organisations, nor the majority of the 65 Forum organisations, nor the majority of the the 65 Forum organisations, nor the majority of the environmental the 65 Forum organisations, nor the majority of the environmental groups majority of the environmental groups that majority of the environmental groups that are majority of the environmental groups that are on majority of the environmental groups that are on it. majority of the environmental groups that are on it. 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Given the member's vehement on all regional councils. Given the member's vehement Opposition on all regional councils. Given the member's vehement Opposition to on all regional councils. 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They said that freshwater management." They said that they freshwater management." They said that they particularly freshwater management." They said that they particularly welcomed freshwater management." 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They also included areas that required further work areas that required further work over areas that required further work over the areas that required further work over the detail, areas that required further work over the detail, particularly areas that required further work over the detail, particularly around over the detail, particularly around the over the detail, particularly around the issues over the detail, particularly around the issues of over the detail, particularly around the issues of eek over the detail, particularly around the issues of eek logical over the detail, particularly around the issues of eek logical health over the detail, particularly around the issues of eek logical health and the issues of eek logical health and nutrients, the issues of eek logical health and nutrients, and the issues of eek logical health and nutrients, and how the issues of eek logical health and nutrients, and how regional the issues of eek logical health and nutrients, and how regional councils nutrients, and how regional councils should nutrients, and how regional councils should respond nutrients, and how regional councils should respond when nutrients, and how regional councils should respond when those nutrients, and how regional councils should respond when those indicators should respond when those indicators show should respond when those indicators show that should respond when those indicators show that things should respond when those indicators show that things are should respond when those indicators show that things are not should respond when those indicators show that things are not making show that things are not making progress. show that things are not making progress. How show that things are not making progress. How can show that things are not making progress. How can he show that things are not making progress. How can he say show that things are not making progress. How can he say that show that things are not making progress. How can he say that the progress. How can he say that the Government progress. How can he say that the Government has progress. How can he say that the Government has made progress. How can he say that the Government has made progress progress. 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But if you look at the core of what they recommended, and that of what they recommended, and that was of what they recommended, and that was a of what they recommended, and that was a national of what they recommended, and that was a national policy of what they recommended, and that was a national policy statement of what they recommended, and that was a national policy statement that was a national policy statement that this was a national policy statement that this country was a national policy statement that this country never was a national policy statement that this country never had was a national policy statement that this country never had until was a national policy statement that this country never had until this this country never had until this Government, this country never had until this Government, regulations this country never had until this Government, regulations for this country never had until this Government, regulations for stock Government, regulations for stock exclusion Government, regulations for stock exclusion regulations, Government, regulations for stock exclusion regulations, well, Government, regulations for stock exclusion regulations, well, you Government, regulations for stock exclusion regulations, well, you had exclusion regulations, well, you had nine exclusion regulations, well, you had nine years exclusion regulations, well, you had nine years and exclusion regulations, well, you had nine years and you exclusion regulations, well, you had nine years and you did exclusion regulations, well, you had nine years and you did nothing. nine years and you did nothing. 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The reality is that New Zealand rivers regularly practical. The reality is that New Zealand rivers regularly flood. Zealand rivers regularly flood. During Zealand rivers regularly flood. During those Zealand rivers regularly flood. During those periods, Zealand rivers regularly flood. During those periods, E. Zealand rivers regularly flood. During those periods, E. Coli Zealand rivers regularly flood. During those periods, E. Coli limits During those periods, E. Coli limits peak. During those periods, E. Coli limits peak. And During those periods, E. Coli limits peak. And with During those periods, E. Coli limits peak. And with the During those periods, E. Coli limits peak. And with the swimability peak. And with the swimability standards peak. And with the swimability standards that peak. And with the swimability standards that are peak. And with the swimability standards that are being peak. And with the swimability standards that are being proposed peak. And with the swimability standards that are being proposed by standards that are being proposed by members standards that are being proposed by members of standards that are being proposed by members of the standards that are being proposed by members of the Opposition, standards that are being proposed by members of the Opposition, you standards that are being proposed by members of the Opposition, you would members of the Opposition, you would end members of the Opposition, you would end up members of the Opposition, you would end up labelling members of the Opposition, you would end up labelling most members of the Opposition, you would end up labelling most of members of the Opposition, you would end up labelling most of the members of the Opposition, you would end up labelling most of the rivers end up labelling most of the rivers in end up labelling most of the rivers in New end up labelling most of the rivers in New Zealand end up labelling most of the rivers in New Zealand as end up labelling most of the rivers in New Zealand as unswimable, end up labelling most of the rivers in New Zealand as unswimable, simply in New Zealand as unswimable, simply because in New Zealand as unswimable, simply because they in New Zealand as unswimable, simply because they flood in New Zealand as unswimable, simply because they flood and in New Zealand as unswimable, simply because they flood and that in New Zealand as unswimable, simply because they flood and that is because they flood and that is illogical, because they flood and that is illogical, and because they flood and that is illogical, and we because they flood and that is illogical, and we are because they flood and that is illogical, and we are the because they flood and that is illogical, and we are the party because they flood and that is illogical, and we are the party of illogical, and we are the party of practical illogical, and we are the party of practical environmentalists. practical environmentalists. Question practical environmentalists. Question No. practical environmentalists. Question No. 11. practical environmentalists. Question No. 11. Jonathan practical environmentalists. Question No. 11. Jonathan Young. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: My question is to the Minister of Transport: What My question is to the Minister of Transport: What updates My question is to the Minister of Transport: What updates can My question is to the Minister of Transport: What updates can he Transport: What updates can he provide Transport: What updates can he provide on Transport: What updates can he provide on the Transport: What updates can he provide on the Government's provide on the Government's Accelerated provide on the Government's Accelerated Regional provide on the Government's Accelerated Regional Roading Accelerated Regional Roading Package? The The Hon... The Hon... The The Hon... The Government The Hon... The Government continues The Hon... The Government continues to The Hon... The Government continues to make The Hon... The Government continues to make strong The Hon... The Government continues to make strong progress The Hon... The Government continues to make strong progress on to make strong progress on delivering to make strong progress on delivering its to make strong progress on delivering its package to make strong progress on delivering its package of delivering its package of Accelerated delivering its package of Accelerated Regional delivering its package of Accelerated Regional Roading Accelerated Regional Roading Projects Accelerated Regional Roading Projects across Accelerated Regional Roading Projects across New Accelerated Regional Roading Projects across New Zealand. Accelerated Regional Roading Projects across New Zealand. It's Accelerated Regional Roading Projects across New Zealand. 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We section of state highway 3 north of Norman by and Taranaki. We have Norman by and Taranaki. We have invested Norman by and Taranaki. We have invested $18 Norman by and Taranaki. We have invested $18 million Norman by and Taranaki. We have invested $18 million to Norman by and Taranaki. We have invested $18 million to re-align Norman by and Taranaki. We have invested $18 million to re-align and invested $18 million to re-align and improve invested $18 million to re-align and improve the invested $18 million to re-align and improve the capacity invested $18 million to re-align and improve the capacity and invested $18 million to re-align and improve the capacity and safety invested $18 million to re-align and improve the capacity and safety on improve the capacity and safety on this improve the capacity and safety on this important improve the capacity and safety on this important stretch improve the capacity and safety on this important stretch of improve the capacity and safety on this important stretch of road. improve the capacity and safety on this important stretch of road. The this important stretch of road. The local this important stretch of road. The local community this important stretch of road. The local community has, this important stretch of road. The local community has, as this important stretch of road. The local community has, as I this important stretch of road. The local community has, as I know this important stretch of road. The local community has, as I know the local community has, as I know the member local community has, as I know the member knows local community has, as I know the member knows well, local community has, as I know the member knows well, campaigned member knows well, campaigned passionately member knows well, campaigned passionately for member knows well, campaigned passionately for much-needed member knows well, campaigned passionately for much-needed safety passionately for much-needed safety upgrades passionately for much-needed safety upgrades to passionately for much-needed safety upgrades to the passionately for much-needed safety upgrades to the road, passionately for much-needed safety upgrades to the road, which passionately for much-needed safety upgrades to the road, which has passionately for much-needed safety upgrades to the road, which has a upgrades to the road, which has a history upgrades to the road, which has a history of upgrades to the road, which has a history of serious upgrades to the road, which has a history of serious and, upgrades to the road, which has a history of serious and, indeed, history of serious and, indeed, fatal history of serious and, indeed, fatal crashes. history of serious and, indeed, fatal crashes. That's history of serious and, indeed, fatal crashes. That's why history of serious and, indeed, fatal crashes. That's why I'm history of serious and, indeed, fatal crashes. That's why I'm proud fatal crashes. That's why I'm proud the fatal crashes. That's why I'm proud the Government fatal crashes. That's why I'm proud the Government has fatal crashes. That's why I'm proud the Government has been fatal crashes. That's why I'm proud the Government has been able fatal crashes. That's why I'm proud the Government has been able to fatal crashes. That's why I'm proud the Government has been able to step the Government has been able to step in the Government has been able to step in and the Government has been able to step in and deliver the Government has been able to step in and deliver a the Government has been able to step in and deliver a new the Government has been able to step in and deliver a new road the Government has been able to step in and deliver a new road that the Government has been able to step in and deliver a new road that will in and deliver a new road that will - in and deliver a new road that will - that in and deliver a new road that will - that will in and deliver a new road that will - that will reduce, in and deliver a new road that will - that will reduce, I in and deliver a new road that will - that will reduce, I should in and deliver a new road that will - that will reduce, I should say, - that will reduce, I should say, the - that will reduce, I should say, the risk - that will reduce, I should say, the risk of - that will reduce, I should say, the risk of crashes - that will reduce, I should say, the risk of crashes and the risk of crashes and significantly the risk of crashes and significantly cut the risk of crashes and significantly cut travel the risk of crashes and significantly cut travel times the risk of crashes and significantly cut travel times for significantly cut travel times for road significantly cut travel times for road users. road users. What road users. What other road users. What other projects road users. What other projects is road users. What other projects is the What other projects is the Government What other projects is the Government delivering What other projects is the Government delivering through What other projects is the Government delivering through the Government delivering through the Accelerated Government delivering through the Accelerated Regional Government delivering through the Accelerated Regional Roading Government delivering through the Accelerated Regional Roading Package Accelerated Regional Roading Package to Accelerated Regional Roading Package to improve Accelerated Regional Roading Package to improve safety Accelerated Regional Roading Package to improve safety and Accelerated Regional Roading Package to improve safety and support to improve safety and support economic to improve safety and support economic growth to improve safety and support economic growth in to improve safety and support economic growth in Taranaki? economic growth in Taranaki? Supporting economic growth in Taranaki? Supporting the economic growth in Taranaki? Supporting the growth economic growth in Taranaki? Supporting the growth of economic growth in Taranaki? Supporting the growth of Taranaki Supporting the growth of Taranaki through Supporting the growth of Taranaki through the Supporting the growth of Taranaki through the Transport Supporting the growth of Taranaki through the Transport Network Supporting the growth of Taranaki through the Transport Network is Supporting the growth of Taranaki through the Transport Network is a through the Transport Network is a real through the Transport Network is a real priority through the Transport Network is a real priority for through the Transport Network is a real priority for the through the Transport Network is a real priority for the Government. real priority for the Government. That's real priority for the Government. That's why real priority for the Government. That's why we're real priority for the Government. That's why we're stepping real priority for the Government. That's why we're stepping in real priority for the Government. That's why we're stepping in and That's why we're stepping in and investing That's why we're stepping in and investing $135 That's why we're stepping in and investing $135 million That's why we're stepping in and investing $135 million on That's why we're stepping in and investing $135 million on the That's why we're stepping in and investing $135 million on the Mount investing $135 million on the Mount Messenger investing $135 million on the Mount Messenger to investing $135 million on the Mount Messenger to the investing $135 million on the Mount Messenger to the tunnel investing $135 million on the Mount Messenger to the tunnel bypass Messenger to the tunnel bypass projects, Messenger to the tunnel bypass projects, as Messenger to the tunnel bypass projects, as well Messenger to the tunnel bypass projects, as well as Messenger to the tunnel bypass projects, as well as a Messenger to the tunnel bypass projects, as well as a range Messenger to the tunnel bypass projects, as well as a range of projects, as well as a range of safety projects, as well as a range of safety improvements projects, as well as a range of safety improvements along projects, as well as a range of safety improvements along State safety improvements along State Highway safety improvements along State Highway 3. safety improvements along State Highway 3. The safety improvements along State Highway 3. The bypasses safety improvements along State Highway 3. The bypasses and safety improvements along State Highway 3. The bypasses and other Highway 3. The bypasses and other planned Highway 3. The bypasses and other planned safety Highway 3. The bypasses and other planned safety improvements Highway 3. The bypasses and other planned safety improvements will planned safety improvements will ensure planned safety improvements will ensure this planned safety improvements will ensure this important planned safety improvements will ensure this important stretch planned safety improvements will ensure this important stretch of ensure this important stretch of road ensure this important stretch of road is ensure this important stretch of road is safer ensure this important stretch of road is safer and ensure this important stretch of road is safer and much, ensure this important stretch of road is safer and much, much ensure this important stretch of road is safer and much, much more road is safer and much, much more reliable road is safer and much, much more reliable to road is safer and much, much more reliable to travel road is safer and much, much more reliable to travel on. road is safer and much, much more reliable to travel on. All road is safer and much, much more reliable to travel on. All up, road is safer and much, much more reliable to travel on. All up, this reliable to travel on. All up, this and reliable to travel on. All up, this and other reliable to travel on. All up, this and other projects reliable to travel on. All up, this and other projects demonstrate reliable to travel on. All up, this and other projects demonstrate the and other projects demonstrate the Government's and other projects demonstrate the Government's strong, and other projects demonstrate the Government's strong, ongoing Government's strong, ongoing commitment Government's strong, ongoing commitment to Government's strong, ongoing commitment to investing Government's strong, ongoing commitment to investing in Government's strong, ongoing commitment to investing in Taranaki commitment to investing in Taranaki and commitment to investing in Taranaki and its commitment to investing in Taranaki and its transport commitment to investing in Taranaki and its transport development commitment to investing in Taranaki and its transport development and and its transport development and economic and its transport development and economic growth. economic growth. Question economic growth. Question No. economic growth. Question No. 12. economic growth. Question No. 12. Chris economic growth. Question No. 12. Chris Hipkins. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: Does My question is to the Minister of Education: Does she My question is to the Minister of Education: Does she stand My question is to the Minister of Education: Does she stand by My question is to the Minister of Education: Does she stand by her Education: Does she stand by her statement Education: Does she stand by her statement in Education: Does she stand by her statement in June Education: Does she stand by her statement in June 2014 Education: Does she stand by her statement in June 2014 with Education: Does she stand by her statement in June 2014 with regard statement in June 2014 with regard to statement in June 2014 with regard to the statement in June 2014 with regard to the Investing statement in June 2014 with regard to the Investing in statement in June 2014 with regard to the Investing in Educational to the Investing in Educational Success to the Investing in Educational Success initiative, to the Investing in Educational Success initiative, "parents to the Investing in Educational Success initiative, "parents will to the Investing in Educational Success initiative, "parents will be Success initiative, "parents will be very Success initiative, "parents will be very pleased Success initiative, "parents will be very pleased we're Success initiative, "parents will be very pleased we're making Success initiative, "parents will be very pleased we're making such Success initiative, "parents will be very pleased we're making such good very pleased we're making such good progress very pleased we're making such good progress on very pleased we're making such good progress on something very pleased we're making such good progress on something that very pleased we're making such good progress on something that will very pleased we're making such good progress on something that will make progress on something that will make a progress on something that will make a real progress on something that will make a real difference progress on something that will make a real difference in progress on something that will make a real difference in our progress on something that will make a real difference in our schools progress on something that will make a real difference in our schools and a real difference in our schools and classrooms"? The The Hon The Hon Hekia The Hon Hekia Parata. The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. Tena The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. Tena koe. The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. Tena koe. Yes, The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. Tena koe. Yes, and The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. Tena koe. Yes, and I The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. Tena koe. Yes, and I would The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. Tena koe. Yes, and I would like The Hon Hekia Parata. Tena koe. Tena koe. Yes, and I would like to koe. Yes, and I would like to congratulate koe. Yes, and I would like to congratulate the koe. Yes, and I would like to congratulate the member koe. Yes, and I would like to congratulate the member that koe. Yes, and I would like to congratulate the member that this koe. Yes, and I would like to congratulate the member that this is congratulate the member that this is the congratulate the member that this is the first congratulate the member that this is the first full congratulate the member that this is the first full and congratulate the member that this is the first full and accurate congratulate the member that this is the first full and accurate quote the first full and accurate quote that the first full and accurate quote that he the first full and accurate quote that he has the first full and accurate quote that he has attributed the first full and accurate quote that he has attributed to the first full and accurate quote that he has attributed to me. that he has attributed to me. Supplementary that he has attributed to me. Supplementary question, that he has attributed to me. Supplementary question, Chris Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How is Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How is having Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How is having 93% Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How is having 93% of Supplementary question, Chris Hipkins. How is having 93% of the Hipkins. How is having 93% of the $359 Hipkins. How is having 93% of the $359 million Hipkins. How is having 93% of the $359 million in Hipkins. How is having 93% of the $359 million in funding Hipkins. How is having 93% of the $359 million in funding that Hipkins. How is having 93% of the $359 million in funding that was $359 million in funding that was appropriated $359 million in funding that was appropriated back $359 million in funding that was appropriated back in $359 million in funding that was appropriated back in 2014 $359 million in funding that was appropriated back in 2014 remaining appropriated back in 2014 remaining unspent appropriated back in 2014 remaining unspent in appropriated back in 2014 remaining unspent in the appropriated back in 2014 remaining unspent in the Crown appropriated back in 2014 remaining unspent in the Crown account appropriated back in 2014 remaining unspent in the Crown account making unspent in the Crown account making a unspent in the Crown account making a real unspent in the Crown account making a real difference unspent in the Crown account making a real difference to unspent in the Crown account making a real difference to schools unspent in the Crown account making a real difference to schools and a real difference to schools and classrooms? a real difference to schools and classrooms? Yes, a real difference to schools and classrooms? Yes, I'm a real difference to schools and classrooms? Yes, I'm very a real difference to schools and classrooms? Yes, I'm very impatient classrooms? Yes, I'm very impatient about classrooms? Yes, I'm very impatient about that classrooms? Yes, I'm very impatient about that figure, classrooms? Yes, I'm very impatient about that figure, because classrooms? 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Does she think perhaps the delay could have been perhaps the delay could have been avoided perhaps the delay could have been avoided if perhaps the delay could have been avoided if she perhaps the delay could have been avoided if she designed perhaps the delay could have been avoided if she designed the perhaps the delay could have been avoided if she designed the policy avoided if she designed the policy better avoided if she designed the policy better in avoided if she designed the policy better in the avoided if she designed the policy better in the first avoided if she designed the policy better in the first place, avoided if she designed the policy better in the first place, given better in the first place, given after better in the first place, given after it better in the first place, given after it was better in the first place, given after it was announced better in the first place, given after it was announced a better in the first place, given after it was announced a survey better in the first place, given after it was announced a survey of after it was announced a survey of school after it was announced a survey of school principals after it was announced a survey of school principals found after it was announced a survey of school principals found that after it was announced a survey of school principals found that 54% school principals found that 54% were school principals found that 54% were opposed school principals found that 54% were opposed outright. school principals found that 54% were opposed outright. 27% school principals found that 54% were opposed outright. 27% had were opposed outright. 27% had serious were opposed outright. 27% had serious concerns were opposed outright. 27% had serious concerns about were opposed outright. 27% had serious concerns about the were opposed outright. 27% had serious concerns about the policy, serious concerns about the policy, while serious concerns about the policy, while only serious concerns about the policy, while only 4% serious concerns about the policy, while only 4% thought serious concerns about the policy, while only 4% thought it serious concerns about the policy, while only 4% thought it was serious concerns about the policy, while only 4% thought it was a serious concerns about the policy, while only 4% thought it was a good while only 4% thought it was a good idea? while only 4% thought it was a good idea? No. while only 4% thought it was a good idea? No. I while only 4% thought it was a good idea? No. I don't while only 4% thought it was a good idea? No. I don't agree while only 4% thought it was a good idea? No. I don't agree with while only 4% thought it was a good idea? No. I don't agree with the idea? No. I don't agree with the member, idea? No. I don't agree with the member, given idea? No. I don't agree with the member, given that idea? No. I don't agree with the member, given that the idea? No. I don't agree with the member, given that the working idea? No. I don't agree with the member, given that the working group member, given that the working group involved member, given that the working group involved representatives member, given that the working group involved representatives from member, given that the working group involved representatives from the involved representatives from the peak involved representatives from the peak bodies, involved representatives from the peak bodies, from involved representatives from the peak bodies, from the involved representatives from the peak bodies, from the unions. involved representatives from the peak bodies, from the unions. Prior peak bodies, from the unions. Prior to peak bodies, from the unions. Prior to it peak bodies, from the unions. Prior to it being peak bodies, from the unions. Prior to it being announced, peak bodies, from the unions. Prior to it being announced, we peak bodies, from the unions. 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And we are now in the unions wanted to work at. And we are now in the situation unions wanted to work at. And we are now in the situation where, unions wanted to work at. And we are now in the situation where, as unions wanted to work at. And we are now in the situation where, as I've now in the situation where, as I've said, now in the situation where, as I've said, over now in the situation where, as I've said, over half now in the situation where, as I've said, over half of now in the situation where, as I've said, over half of all now in the situation where, as I've said, over half of all schools now in the situation where, as I've said, over half of all schools are said, over half of all schools are involved said, over half of all schools are involved in said, over half of all schools are involved in this said, over half of all schools are involved in this really said, over half of all schools are involved in this really exciting involved in this really exciting initiative. involved in this really exciting initiative. But involved in this really exciting initiative. But the involved in this really exciting initiative. But the travesty involved in this really exciting initiative. But the travesty here involved in this really exciting initiative. But the travesty here is initiative. But the travesty here is the initiative. But the travesty here is the delay initiative. But the travesty here is the delay has initiative. But the travesty here is the delay has caused initiative. But the travesty here is the delay has caused hundreds initiative. But the travesty here is the delay has caused hundreds of the delay has caused hundreds of teachers the delay has caused hundreds of teachers not the delay has caused hundreds of teachers not to the delay has caused hundreds of teachers not to have the delay has caused hundreds of teachers not to have access the delay has caused hundreds of teachers not to have access to the delay has caused hundreds of teachers not to have access to these teachers not to have access to these new teachers not to have access to these new roles. teachers not to have access to these new roles. Why teachers not to have access to these new roles. Why will teachers not to have access to these new roles. Why will parents teachers not to have access to these new roles. Why will parents be new roles. Why will parents be pleased new roles. Why will parents be pleased that new roles. Why will parents be pleased that over new roles. Why will parents be pleased that over $330 new roles. Why will parents be pleased that over $330 million pleased that over $330 million remains pleased that over $330 million remains sitting pleased that over $330 million remains sitting unspent pleased that over $330 million remains sitting unspent in pleased that over $330 million remains sitting unspent in the pleased that over $330 million remains sitting unspent in the Crown remains sitting unspent in the Crown accounts, remains sitting unspent in the Crown accounts, given remains sitting unspent in the Crown accounts, given that remains sitting unspent in the Crown accounts, given that since remains sitting unspent in the Crown accounts, given that since she accounts, given that since she became accounts, given that since she became Minister accounts, given that since she became Minister in accounts, given that since she became Minister in 2011 accounts, given that since she became Minister in 2011 parental became Minister in 2011 parental contributions became Minister in 2011 parental contributions to became Minister in 2011 parental contributions to their became Minister in 2011 parental contributions to their kids' contributions to their kids' education contributions to their kids' education has contributions to their kids' education has increased contributions to their kids' education has increased by contributions to their kids' education has increased by over contributions to their kids' education has increased by over 23%, education has increased by over 23%, almost education has increased by over 23%, almost five education has increased by over 23%, almost five times education has increased by over 23%, almost five times the education has increased by over 23%, almost five times the rate education has increased by over 23%, almost five times the rate of almost five times the rate of inflation? almost five times the rate of inflation? Parents almost five times the rate of inflation? Parents should almost five times the rate of inflation? Parents should be almost five times the rate of inflation? Parents should be very inflation? Parents should be very concerned inflation? Parents should be very concerned about inflation? Parents should be very concerned about that inflation? Parents should be very concerned about that member's concerned about that member's ability concerned about that member's ability to concerned about that member's ability to actually concerned about that member's ability to actually read concerned about that member's ability to actually read Government ability to actually read Government accounts, ability to actually read Government accounts, where ability to actually read Government accounts, where it ability to actually read Government accounts, where it tells ability to actually read Government accounts, where it tells or ability to actually read Government accounts, where it tells or even accounts, where it tells or even survey accounts, where it tells or even survey information, accounts, where it tells or even survey information, because accounts, where it tells or even survey information, because the survey information, because the figure survey information, because the figure that survey information, because the figure that he survey information, because the figure that he persists survey information, because the figure that he persists with figure that he persists with includes figure that he persists with includes fees figure that he persists with includes fees for figure that he persists with includes fees for private figure that he persists with includes fees for private schools. includes fees for private schools. 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Whereas the facts based on the Whereas the facts based on the financial Whereas the facts based on the financial returns Whereas the facts based on the financial returns of Whereas the facts based on the financial returns of schools Whereas the facts based on the financial returns of schools is Whereas the facts based on the financial returns of schools is that financial returns of schools is that parental financial returns of schools is that parental donations financial returns of schools is that parental donations have financial returns of schools is that parental donations have remained parental donations have remained consistent parental donations have remained consistent at parental donations have remained consistent at about parental donations have remained consistent at about 1.8%, parental donations have remained consistent at about 1.8%, and parental donations have remained consistent at about 1.8%, and they consistent at about 1.8%, and they are consistent at about 1.8%, and they are donations. consistent at about 1.8%, and they are donations. Therefore, consistent at about 1.8%, and they are donations. Therefore, they consistent at about 1.8%, and they are donations. Therefore, they are are donations. Therefore, they are voluntary. are donations. Therefore, they are voluntary. Therefore, are donations. Therefore, they are voluntary. Therefore, parents are donations. Therefore, they are voluntary. Therefore, parents are voluntary. Therefore, parents are making voluntary. Therefore, parents are making them. making them. Why making them. Why have making them. Why have 32% making them. Why have 32% of making them. Why have 32% of the making them. Why have 32% of the allowances making them. Why have 32% of the allowances paid Why have 32% of the allowances paid to Why have 32% of the allowances paid to teachers Why have 32% of the allowances paid to teachers under Why have 32% of the allowances paid to teachers under the Why have 32% of the allowances paid to teachers under the Investing Why have 32% of the allowances paid to teachers under the Investing in to teachers under the Investing in Education to teachers under the Investing in Education Success to teachers under the Investing in Education Success Initiative to teachers under the Investing in Education Success Initiative been Education Success Initiative been paid Education Success Initiative been paid to Education Success Initiative been paid to teachers Education Success Initiative been paid to teachers working Education Success Initiative been paid to teachers working in Education Success Initiative been paid to teachers working in the paid to teachers working in the highest paid to teachers working in the highest schools paid to teachers working in the highest schools w paid to teachers working in the highest schools w while paid to teachers working in the highest schools w while only paid to teachers working in the highest schools w while only 2% paid to teachers working in the highest schools w while only 2% has highest schools w while only 2% has been highest schools w while only 2% has been paid highest schools w while only 2% has been paid to highest schools w while only 2% has been paid to teachers highest schools w while only 2% has been paid to teachers working highest schools w while only 2% has been paid to teachers working in been paid to teachers working in decile been paid to teachers working in decile 1 been paid to teachers working in decile 1 schools? been paid to teachers working in decile 1 schools? We're been paid to teachers working in decile 1 schools? We're just been paid to teachers working in decile 1 schools? We're just heading decile 1 schools? We're just heading past decile 1 schools? We're just heading past the decile 1 schools? We're just heading past the 2-year decile 1 schools? We're just heading past the 2-year mark decile 1 schools? We're just heading past the 2-year mark of decile 1 schools? We're just heading past the 2-year mark of this past the 2-year mark of this programme. past the 2-year mark of this programme. When past the 2-year mark of this programme. When it past the 2-year mark of this programme. When it first past the 2-year mark of this programme. When it first gan, past the 2-year mark of this programme. When it first gan, higher programme. When it first gan, higher decile programme. When it first gan, higher decile schools programme. When it first gan, higher decile schools were programme. When it first gan, higher decile schools were the programme. When it first gan, higher decile schools were the early decile schools were the early adopters. decile schools were the early adopters. I'm decile schools were the early adopters. I'm happy decile schools were the early adopters. I'm happy to decile schools were the early adopters. I'm happy to relieve decile schools were the early adopters. I'm happy to relieve the adopters. I'm happy to relieve the member's adopters. I'm happy to relieve the member's anxiety adopters. I'm happy to relieve the member's anxiety by adopters. I'm happy to relieve the member's anxiety by telling adopters. I'm happy to relieve the member's anxiety by telling him adopters. I'm happy to relieve the member's anxiety by telling him that member's anxiety by telling him that we member's anxiety by telling him that we have member's anxiety by telling him that we have 150 member's anxiety by telling him that we have 150 decile-1 member's anxiety by telling him that we have 150 decile-1 schools, we have 150 decile-1 schools, whereas we have 150 decile-1 schools, whereas we we have 150 decile-1 schools, whereas we have we have 150 decile-1 schools, whereas we have 141 we have 150 decile-1 schools, whereas we have 141 decile-10 whereas we have 141 decile-10 schools. whereas we have 141 decile-10 schools. We whereas we have 141 decile-10 schools. We have whereas we have 141 decile-10 schools. We have 156 whereas we have 141 decile-10 schools. We have 156 decile-3 schools. We have 156 decile-3 schools schools. We have 156 decile-3 schools and schools. We have 156 decile-3 schools and 156 schools. We have 156 decile-3 schools and 156 decile-8 schools. 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