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In light of the Minister's reference to life the Minister's reference to life expectancy, the Minister's reference to life expectancy, where the Minister's reference to life expectancy, where inequity the Minister's reference to life expectancy, where inequity exists expectancy, where inequity exists for expectancy, where inequity exists for affected expectancy, where inequity exists for affected groups, expectancy, where inequity exists for affected groups, will expectancy, where inequity exists for affected groups, will the for affected groups, will the Minister for affected groups, will the Minister consider for affected groups, will the Minister consider changes for affected groups, will the Minister consider changes for for affected groups, will the Minister consider changes for those Minister consider changes for those groups? Minister consider changes for those Minister Minister consider changes for those groups? If not, Minister consider changes for those groups? If not, why Minister consider changes for those groups? If not, why not? Minister consider changes for those groups? If not, why not? The groups? If not, why not? The Government groups? If not, why not? The Government has groups? If not, why not? The Government has said groups? If not, why not? The Government has said it groups? If not, why not? 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And nature of the people working over the intervening 13 years. And that the intervening 13 years. And that will the intervening 13 years. And that will be the intervening 13 years. And that will be for the intervening 13 years. And that will be for a the intervening 13 years. And that will be for a parliament the intervening 13 years. And that will be for a parliament then the intervening 13 years. And that will be for a parliament then - the intervening 13 years. And that will be for a parliament then - the will be for a parliament then - the parliament will be for a parliament then - the parliament then will be for a parliament then - the parliament then to will be for a parliament then - the parliament then to address. will be for a parliament then - the parliament then to address. But will be for a parliament then - the parliament then to address. But in parliament then to address. But in terms parliament then to address. But in terms of parliament then to address. But in terms of ethnicity, parliament then to address. But in terms of ethnicity, for parliament then to address. But in terms of ethnicity, for example, parliament then to address. But in terms of ethnicity, for example, the terms of ethnicity, for example, the good terms of ethnicity, for example, the good news terms of ethnicity, for example, the good news for terms of ethnicity, for example, the good news for the terms of ethnicity, for example, the good news for the member terms of ethnicity, for example, the good news for the member is terms of ethnicity, for example, the good news for the member is that terms of ethnicity, for example, the good news for the member is that the good news for the member is that the life good news for the member is that the life expectancy good news for the member is that the life expectancy of good news for the member is that the life expectancy of different good news for the member is that the life expectancy of different ethnic life expectancy of different ethnic groups life expectancy of different ethnic groups in life expectancy of different ethnic groups in New life expectancy of different ethnic groups in New Zealand, life expectancy of different ethnic groups in New Zealand, including, life expectancy of different ethnic groups in New Zealand, including, of groups in New Zealand, including, of course, groups in New Zealand, including, of course, Maori, groups in New Zealand, including, of course, Maori, is groups in New Zealand, including, of course, Maori, is steadily groups in New Zealand, including, of course, Maori, is steadily improving course, Maori, is steadily improving and course, Maori, is steadily improving and the course, Maori, is steadily improving and the gap course, Maori, is steadily improving and the gap with course, Maori, is steadily improving and the gap with other course, Maori, is steadily improving and the gap with other ethnic course, Maori, is steadily improving and the gap with other ethnic groups and the gap with other ethnic groups is and the gap with other ethnic groups is getting and the gap with other ethnic groups is getting smaller and the gap with other ethnic groups is getting smaller and and the gap with other ethnic groups is getting smaller and I'm and the gap with other ethnic groups is getting smaller and I'm certainly is getting smaller and I'm certainly hopeful is getting smaller and I'm certainly hopeful that is getting smaller and I'm certainly hopeful that gap is getting smaller and I'm certainly hopeful that gap will is getting smaller and I'm certainly hopeful that gap will have is getting smaller and I'm certainly hopeful that gap will have closed hopeful that gap will have closed up, hopeful that gap will have closed up, indeed, hopeful that gap will have closed up, indeed, that's hopeful that gap will have closed up, indeed, that's the hopeful that gap will have closed up, indeed, that's the projection, up, indeed, that's the projection, by up, indeed, that's the projection, by the up, indeed, that's the projection, by the time up, indeed, that's the projection, by the time this up, indeed, that's the projection, by the time this policy up, indeed, that's the projection, by the time this policy comes up, indeed, that's the projection, by the time this policy comes into by the time this policy comes into place. by the time this policy comes into place. Given by the time this policy comes into place. Given the by the time this policy comes into place. Given the Minister's by the time this policy comes into place. Given the Minister's answers place. Given the Minister's answers that place. Given the Minister's answers that adjustments place. Given the Minister's answers that adjustments to place. Given the Minister's answers that adjustments to the place. Given the Minister's answers that adjustments to the age place. Given the Minister's answers that adjustments to the age of that adjustments to the age of entilement that adjustments to the age of entilement to that adjustments to the age of entilement to superannuation that adjustments to the age of entilement to superannuation are entilement to superannuation are good entilement to superannuation are good and entilement to superannuation are good and necessary, entilement to superannuation are good and necessary, and entilement to superannuation are good and necessary, and the good and necessary, and the concession good and necessary, and the concession that good and necessary, and the concession that this good and necessary, and the concession that this government concession that this government cannot concession that this government cannot bind concession that this government cannot bind future concession that this government cannot bind future ones, concession that this government cannot bind future ones, why concession that this government cannot bind future ones, why doesn't cannot bind future ones, why doesn't his cannot bind future ones, why doesn't his government cannot bind future ones, why doesn't his government start cannot bind future ones, why doesn't his government start adjusting cannot bind future ones, why doesn't his government start adjusting the his government start adjusting the age his government start adjusting the his his government start adjusting the age now? Well, his government start adjusting the age now? Well, Mr his government start adjusting the age now? Well, Mr Speaker, his government start adjusting the age now? Well, Mr Speaker, because age now? Well, Mr Speaker, because for age now? Well, Mr Speaker, because for the age now? Well, Mr Speaker, because for the member's age now? Well, Mr Speaker, because for the member's benefit, age now? Well, Mr Speaker, because for the member's benefit, actually, for the member's benefit, actually, it for the member's benefit, actually, it would for the member's benefit, actually, it would be for the member's benefit, actually, it would be unfair for the member's benefit, actually, it would be unfair to for the member's benefit, actually, it would be unfair to start it would be unfair to start adjusting it would be unfair to start adjusting the it would be unfair to start adjusting the age it would be unfair to start adjusting the age now it would be unfair to start adjusting the age now at it would be unfair to start adjusting the age now at a it would be unfair to start adjusting the age now at a period it would be unfair to start adjusting the age now at a period of adjusting the age now at a period of time adjusting the age now at a period of time that adjusting the age now at a period of time that would adjusting the age now at a period of time that would be adjusting the age now at a period of time that would be very adjusting the age now at a period of time that would be very close adjusting the age now at a period of time that would be very close to time that would be very close to today's time that would be very close to today's date time that would be very close to today's date because time that would be very close to today's date because those time that would be very close to today's date because those people today's date because those people would today's date because those people would not today's date because those people would not have today's date because those people would not have the today's date because those people would not have the opportunity today's date because those people would not have the opportunity to would not have the opportunity to adjust would not have the opportunity to adjust the would not have the opportunity to adjust the way would not have the opportunity to adjust the way they would not have the opportunity to adjust the way they approached would not have the opportunity to adjust the way they approached their adjust the way they approached their life adjust the way they approached their life decisions adjust the way they approached their life decisions when adjust the way they approached their life decisions when they adjust the way they approached their life decisions when they were adjust the way they approached their life decisions when they were close life decisions when they were close to life decisions when they were close to retirement. to retirement. to retirement. to retirement. I think to retirement. I think it to retirement. I think it would to retirement. I think it would be to retirement. 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Supplementary question, the Rt Honable Winston Peters. Is Supplementary question, the Rt Honable Winston Peters. Is it Supplementary question, the Rt Honable Winston Peters. Is it the Honable Winston Peters. Is it the Government's Honable Winston Peters. Is it the Government's policy Honable Winston Peters. Is it the Government's policy on Honable Winston Peters. Is it the Government's policy on this Honable Winston Peters. Is it the Government's policy on this and Government's policy on this and other Government's policy on this and Government's Government's policy on this and other matters to Government's policy on this and other matters to prop Government's policy on this and other matters to prop up Government's policy on this and other matters to prop up Members Government's policy on this and other matters to prop up Members of other matters to prop up Members of Parliament, other matters to prop up Members of Parliament, give other matters to prop up Members of Parliament, give them other matters to prop up Members of Parliament, give them jobs other matters to prop up Members of Parliament, give them jobs which other matters to prop up Members of Parliament, give them jobs which are Parliament, give them jobs which are way Parliament, give them jobs which are way above Parliament, give them jobs which are way above their Parliament, give them jobs which are way above their quality, Parliament, give them jobs which are way above their quality, ability Parliament, give them jobs which are way above their quality, ability and way above their quality, ability and talent, way above their quality, ability and talent, and way above their quality, ability and talent, and then, way above their quality, ability and talent, and then, put way above their quality, ability and talent, and then, put up way above their quality, ability and talent, and then, put up with talent, and then, put up with impertinent talent, and then, put up with impertinent questions talent, and then, put up with impertinent questions whilst talent, and then, put up with impertinent questions whilst they impertinent questions whilst they try impertinent questions whilst they try and impertinent questions whilst they try and demonstrate impertinent questions whilst they try and demonstrate that impertinent questions whilst they try and demonstrate that they're impertinent questions whilst they try and demonstrate that they're not try and demonstrate that they're not National try and demonstrate that they're not National Party try and demonstrate that they're not National Party door try and demonstrate that they're not National Party door mats? try and demonstrate that they're not National Party door mats? Wellwork National Party door mats? Wellwork the National Party door mats? Wellwork the greatest National Party door mats? Wellwork the greatest respect, National Party door mats? Wellwork the greatest respect, Mr National Party door mats? Wellwork the greatest respect, Mr Speaker, National Party door mats? Wellwork the greatest respect, Mr Speaker, I the greatest respect, Mr Speaker, I think the greatest respect, Mr Speaker, I National the greatest respect, Mr Speaker, I think the member the greatest respect, Mr Speaker, I think the member might the greatest respect, Mr Speaker, I think the member might be the greatest respect, Mr Speaker, I think the member might be describing think the member might be describing his think the member might be describing his own think the member might be describing his own party. his own party. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, Order! Supplementary question, Alastair Order! Supplementary question, Alastair Scott. Order! Supplementary question, Alastair Scott. To Order! Supplementary question, Alastair Scott. To the Order! Supplementary question, Alastair Scott. To the Minister: Alastair Scott. To the Minister: What Alastair Scott. To the Minister: What aspects Alastair Scott. To the Minister: What aspects of Alastair Scott. To the Minister: What aspects of the Alastair Scott. To the Minister: What aspects of the New Alastair Scott. To the Minister: What aspects of the New Zealand What aspects of the New Zealand Super What aspects of the New Zealand Alastair What aspects of the New Zealand Super scheme will What aspects of the New Zealand Super scheme will remain What aspects of the New Zealand Super scheme will remain the What aspects of the New Zealand Super scheme will remain the same? Super scheme will remain the same? The Super scheme will remain the same? The honourable Super scheme will remain the same? The honourable Steven Super scheme will remain the same? The honourable Steven Joyce. Super scheme will remain the same? The honourable Steven Joyce. Mr The honourable Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, The honourable Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, the The honourable Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, the Government The honourable Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, the Government remains Speaker, the Government remains committed Speaker, the Government remains committed to Speaker, the Government remains committed to the Speaker, the Government remains committed to the universal Speaker, the Government remains committed to the universal aspect Speaker, the Government remains committed to the universal aspect of committed to the universal aspect of New committed to the universal aspect of New Zealand committed to the universal aspect of New Zealand Super committed to the universal aspect of New Zealand Super with committed to the universal aspect of New Zealand Super with no committed to the universal aspect of New Zealand Super with no means committed to the universal aspect of New Zealand Super with no means or New Zealand Super with no means or asset New Zealand Super with no means or asset testing. New Zealand Super with no means or asset testing. We New Zealand Super with no means or asset testing. We remain New Zealand Super with no means or asset testing. We remain committed asset testing. We remain committed to asset testing. We remain committed to it asset testing. We remain committed to it being asset testing. We remain committed to it being indexed asset testing. We remain committed to it being indexed at asset testing. We remain committed to it being indexed at 66% asset testing. We remain committed to it being indexed at 66% of asset testing. We remain committed to it being indexed at 66% of the to it being indexed at 66% of the average to it being indexed at 66% of the average weekly to it being indexed at 66% of the average weekly wage. to it being indexed at 66% of the average weekly wage. It to it being indexed at 66% of the average weekly wage. It is to it being indexed at 66% of the average weekly wage. It is worth average weekly wage. It is worth noting average weekly wage. It is worth noting that average weekly wage. It is worth noting that the average weekly wage. It is worth noting that the weekly average weekly wage. It is worth noting that the weekly payments average weekly wage. It is worth noting that the weekly payments to noting that the weekly payments to superaan noting that the weekly payments to superaan units noting that the weekly payments to superaan units has noting that the weekly payments to superaan units has increased noting that the weekly payments to superaan units has increased to. superaan units has increased to. ..Compared superaan units has increased to. superaan superaan units has increased to. ..Compared to inflation superaan units has increased to. ..Compared to inflation over superaan units has increased to. ..Compared to inflation over the ..Compared to inflation over the same ..Compared to inflation over the same period ..Compared to inflation over the same period to ..Compared to inflation over the same period to 14%. ..Compared to inflation over the same period to 14%. Kiwi ..Compared to inflation over the same period to 14%. Kiwi saverwill same period to 14%. Kiwi saverwill continue same period to 14%. 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If the Minister believes a sudden Minister believes a sudden adjustment Minister believes a sudden adjustment in Minister believes a sudden adjustment in the Minister believes a sudden adjustment in the age Minister believes a sudden adjustment in the age of Minister believes a sudden adjustment in the age of entitlement adjustment in the age of entitlement to adjustment in the age of entitlement to superannuation adjustment in the age of entitlement to superannuation would adjustment in the age of entitlement to superannuation would be adjustment in the age of entitlement to superannuation would be unfair, to superannuation would be unfair, why to superannuation would be unfair, why doesn't to superannuation would be unfair, why doesn't he to superannuation would be unfair, why doesn't he start to superannuation would be unfair, why doesn't he start early to superannuation would be unfair, why doesn't he start early and why doesn't he start early and adjust why doesn't he start early and adjust it why doesn't he start early and adjust it for why doesn't he start early and adjust it for gradually why doesn't he start early and adjust it for gradually rather why doesn't he start early and adjust it for gradually rather than adjust it for gradually rather than proposing adjust it for gradually rather than proposing to adjust it for gradually rather than proposing to lump adjust it for gradually rather than proposing to lump the adjust it for gradually rather than proposing to lump the entire adjust it for gradually rather than proposing to lump the entire cost adjust it for gradually rather than proposing to lump the entire cost on proposing to lump the entire cost on millennials proposing to lump the entire cost on millennials long proposing to lump the entire cost on millennials long after proposing to lump the entire cost on millennials long after he, proposing to lump the entire cost on millennials long after he, himself, millennials long after he, himself, has millennials long after he, himself, has reached millennials long after he, himself, has reached retirement millennials long after he, himself, has reached retirement age? millennials long after he, himself, has reached retirement age? Well, millennials long after he, himself, has reached retirement age? Well, Mr has reached retirement age? Well, Mr Speaker, has reached retirement age? Well, Mr millennials has reached retirement age? Well, Mr Speaker, I thank has reached retirement age? Well, Mr Speaker, I thank the has reached retirement age? Well, Mr Speaker, I thank the member has reached retirement age? Well, Mr Speaker, I thank the member for Speaker, I thank the member for referring Speaker, I thank the member for referring to Speaker, I thank the member for referring to my Speaker, I thank the member for referring to my youthful Speaker, I thank the member for referring to my youthful nature, Speaker, I thank the member for referring to my youthful nature, but referring to my youthful nature, but it referring to my youthful nature, but it is referring to my youthful nature, but it is important referring to my youthful nature, but it is important to referring to my youthful nature, but it is important to note referring to my youthful nature, but it is important to note that's it is important to note that's what's it is important to note that's what's actually it is important to note that's what's actually happening it is important to note that's what's actually happening here it is important to note that's what's actually happening here is what's actually happening here is that what's actually happening here is that life what's actually happening here is that life expectancy what's actually happening here is that life expectancy is what's actually happening here is that life expectancy is increasing that life expectancy is increasing at that life expectancy is increasing that that life expectancy is increasing at 1.3 years that life expectancy is increasing at 1.3 years every that life expectancy is increasing at 1.3 years every decade. that life expectancy is increasing at 1.3 years every decade. If that life expectancy is increasing at 1.3 years every decade. If you at 1.3 years every decade. If you make at 1.3 years every decade. If you make a at 1.3 years every decade. If you make a change at 1.3 years every decade. If you make a change 20 at 1.3 years every decade. If you make a change 20 years at 1.3 years every decade. If you make a change 20 years from at 1.3 years every decade. If you make a change 20 years from now at 1.3 years every decade. If you make a change 20 years from now to make a change 20 years from now to the make a change 20 years from now to the superannuation make a change 20 years from now to the superannuation and make a change 20 years from now to the superannuation and extend make a change 20 years from now to the superannuation and extend it make a change 20 years from now to the superannuation and extend it a the superannuation and extend it a further the superannuation and extend it a further two the superannuation and extend it a further two years, the superannuation and extend it a further two years, people the superannuation and extend it a further two years, people who the superannuation and extend it a further two years, people who retire further two years, people who retire at further two years, people who retire at 67 further two years, people who retire at 67 in further two years, people who retire at 67 in 2040 further two years, people who retire at 67 in 2040 will further two years, people who retire at 67 in 2040 will spend further two years, people who retire at 67 in 2040 will spend a further two years, people who retire at 67 in 2040 will spend a slightly at 67 in 2040 will spend a slightly longer at 67 in 2040 will spend a slightly longer proportion at 67 in 2040 will spend a slightly longer proportion of at 67 in 2040 will spend a slightly longer proportion of their at 67 in 2040 will spend a slightly longer proportion of their lives, at 67 in 2040 will spend a slightly longer proportion of their lives, on longer proportion of their lives, on average, longer proportion of their lives, on average, than longer proportion of their lives, on average, than somebody longer proportion of their lives, on average, than somebody who longer proportion of their lives, on average, than somebody who retires average, than somebody who retires today average, than somebody who retires average, average, than somebody who retires today at 65. average, than somebody who retires today at 65. 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Supplementary paying National Superannuation. Supplementary question, paying National Superannuation. Supplementary question, David Supplementary question, David Seymour. Supplementary question, David Seymour. Is Supplementary question, David Seymour. Is the Supplementary question, David Seymour. Is the Minister Supplementary question, David Seymour. Is the Minister seriously Seymour. Is the Minister seriously suggesting Seymour. Is the Minister seriously suggesting that Seymour. Is the Minister seriously suggesting that increases Seymour. Is the Minister seriously suggesting that increases in Seymour. Is the Minister seriously suggesting that increases in live suggesting that increases in live expectancy suggesting that increases in live expectancy don't suggesting that increases in live expectancy don't begin suggesting that increases in live expectancy don't begin until suggesting that increases in live expectancy don't begin until 2037? expectancy don't begin until 2037? 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And then, when we make the change, that, actually, increasing. And then, when we make the change, that, actually, the the change, that, actually, the percentage the change, that, actually, the percentage of the change, that, actually, the percentage of life the change, that, actually, the percentage of life people the change, that, actually, the percentage of life people spend the change, that, actually, the percentage of life people spend on percentage of life people spend on superannuation percentage of life people spend on superannuation will percentage of life people spend on superannuation will be, percentage of life people spend on superannuation will be, as percentage of life people spend on superannuation will be, as I percentage of life people spend on superannuation will be, as I say, superannuation will be, as I say, slightly superannuation will be, as I say, the superannuation will be, as I say, slightly more than superannuation will be, as I say, slightly more than it superannuation will be, as I say, slightly more than it is superannuation will be, as I say, slightly more than it is today. superannuation will be, as I say, slightly more than it is today. 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How does the Minister reconcile that answer with the fact reconcile that answer with the fact that reconcile that answer with the fact that every reconcile that answer with the fact that every country reconcile that answer with the fact that every country cited reconcile that answer with the fact that every country cited in reconcile that answer with the fact that every country cited in the that every country cited in the Government's that every country cited in the Government's information that every country cited in the Government's information sheet that every country cited in the Government's information sheet on Government's information sheet on this Government's information sheet on this topic, Government's information sheet on this topic, including Government's information sheet on this topic, including Australia, Government's information sheet on this topic, including Australia, the this topic, including Australia, the United this topic, including Australia, the United Kingdom, this topic, including Australia, the United Kingdom, Denmark, this topic, including Australia, the United Kingdom, Denmark, the United Kingdom, Denmark, the Netherlands, United Kingdom, Denmark, the Netherlands, Ireland, United Kingdom, Denmark, the Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, United Kingdom, Denmark, the Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Italy Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Italy and Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Italy and the United Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Italy and the United States, Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Italy and the United States, are Netherlands, Ireland, Germany, Italy and the United States, are all and the United States, are all making and the United States, are all making that and the United States, are all making that adjustment and the United States, are all making that adjustment within and the United States, are all making that adjustment within the making that adjustment within the 2020s making that adjustment within the 2020s and making that adjustment within the 2020s and will making that adjustment within the 2020s and will finish making that adjustment within the 2020s and will finish making making that adjustment within the 2020s and will finish making their 2020s and will finish making their adjustment 2020s and will finish making their making 2020s and will finish making their adjustment seven years 2020s and will finish making their adjustment seven years before 2020s and will finish making their adjustment seven years before his adjustment seven years before his proposed adjustment seven years before his adjustment adjustment seven years before his proposed adjustment even adjustment seven years before his proposed adjustment even begins? proposed adjustment even begins? Well, proposed adjustment even begins? Well, Mr proposed adjustment even begins? Well, Mr Speaker, proposed adjustment even begins? Well, Mr Speaker, because proposed adjustment even begins? Well, Mr Speaker, because our proposed adjustment even begins? 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If you put money into it, you either you put money into it, you either barrow you put money into it, you either barrow it you put money into it, you either barrow it or you put money into it, you either barrow it or you're you put money into it, you either barrow it or you're taking you put money into it, you either barrow it or you're taking it you put money into it, you either barrow it or you're taking it from barrow it or you're taking it from the barrow it or you're taking it from the taxes barrow it or you're taking it from the taxes of barrow it or you're taking it from the taxes of the barrow it or you're taking it from the taxes of the current barrow it or you're taking it from the taxes of the current generation, the taxes of the current generation, some the taxes of the current generation, some of the taxes of the current generation, some of whom the taxes of the current generation, some of whom are the taxes of the current generation, some of whom are feeling the taxes of the current generation, some of whom are feeling the some of whom are feeling the pressure some of whom are feeling the pressure on some of whom are feeling the pressure on their some of whom are feeling the pressure on their incomes some of whom are feeling the pressure on their incomes and some of whom are feeling the pressure on their incomes and want pressure on their incomes and want to pressure on their incomes and want barrow pressure on their incomes and want to be able pressure on their incomes and want to be able to pressure on their incomes and want to be able to get pressure on their incomes and want to be able to get ahead. to be able to get ahead. What to be able to get ahead. What reports to be able to get ahead. What reports has to be able to get ahead. What reports has the to be able to get ahead. What reports has the PM to be able to get ahead. What reports has the PM seen What reports has the PM seen expressing What reports has the PM seen expressing concern What reports has the PM seen expressing concern about What reports has the PM seen expressing concern about the What reports has the PM seen expressing concern about the rising expressing concern about the rising future expressing concern about the rising expressing expressing concern about the rising future cost of expressing concern about the rising future cost of New expressing concern about the rising future cost of New Zealand expressing concern about the rising future cost of New Zealand Nation? future cost of New Zealand Nation? -- future cost of New Zealand Nation? -- of future cost of New Zealand Nation? -- of New future cost of New Zealand Nation? -- of New Zealand future cost of New Zealand Nation? -- of New Zealand Superannuation? -- of New Zealand Superannuation? Well, -- of New Zealand Superannuation? Well, Mr -- of New Zealand Superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, -- of New Zealand Superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, I -- of New Zealand Superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, I have -- of New Zealand Superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen -- of New Zealand Superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a whole Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a whole range Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a whole range of Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a whole range of reports Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a whole range of reports. Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a whole range of reports. Here Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a whole range of reports. Here is Well, Mr Speaker, I have seen a whole range of reports. Here is one whole range of reports. Here is one - whole range of reports. Here is one - in whole range of reports. Here is one - in three whole range of reports. Here is one - in three years' whole range of reports. Here is one - in three years' superannuation - in three years' superannuation will - in three years' superannuation will cost - in three years' superannuation will cost more - in three years' superannuation will cost more than - in three years' superannuation will cost more than the - in three years' superannuation will cost more than the entire will cost more than the entire education will cost more than the entire education budget. will cost more than the entire education budget. It will cost more than the entire education budget. It will will cost more than the entire education budget. It will grow will cost more than the entire education budget. It will grow to will cost more than the entire education budget. It will grow to 20 education budget. It will grow to 20 times education budget. It will grow to 20 times the education budget. It will grow to 20 times the cost education budget. It will grow to 20 times the cost of education budget. It will grow to 20 times the cost of unemployment times the cost of unemployment benefit. times the cost of unemployment benefit. We times the cost of unemployment benefit. We need times the cost of unemployment benefit. We need to times the cost of unemployment benefit. We need to ask times the cost of unemployment benefit. We need to ask if times the cost of unemployment benefit. We need to ask if the benefit. We need to ask if the universal benefit. We need to ask if the universal age benefit. We need to ask if the universal age of benefit. We need to ask if the universal age of super benefit. We need to ask if the universal age of super is benefit. We need to ask if the universal age of super is set benefit. We need to ask if the universal age of super is set at benefit. We need to ask if the universal age of super is set at the universal age of super is set at the right universal age of super is set at the right place. universal age of super is set at the right place. That universal age of super is set at the right place. That was universal age of super is set at the right place. That was the universal age of super is set at the right place. That was the new universal age of super is set at the right place. That was the new Deputy right place. That was the new Deputy Leader right place. That was the new Deputy Leader of right place. That was the new Deputy Leader of the right place. That was the new Deputy Leader of the Labour right place. That was the new Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, right place. That was the new Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, Jacinda Leader of the Labour Party, Jacinda Ardern. Leader of the Labour Party, Jacinda Ardern. Order! Leader of the Labour Party, Jacinda Ardern. Order! Supplementary Ardern. Order! Supplementary question, Ardern. Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Ardern. Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. Ardern. Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. Thank Ardern. Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. Thank you, question, Andrew Little. Thank you, Mr question, Andrew Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker, question, Andrew Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker, moving question, Andrew Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker, moving on question, Andrew Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker, moving on from Mr Speaker, moving on from Government Mr Speaker, moving on from Government flip-flops, Mr Speaker, moving on from Government flip-flops, given Mr Speaker, moving on from Government flip-flops, given his Government flip-flops, given his outlandish Government flip-flops, given his outlandish claim... outlandish claim... <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Oh, <INTERRUPTION> Oh, yes. <INTERRUPTION> Oh, yes. Order! <INTERRUPTION> Oh, yes. Order! I <INTERRUPTION> Oh, yes. Order! I issued <INTERRUPTION> Oh, yes. Order! I issued what <INTERRUPTION> Oh, yes. Order! I issued what I Oh, yes. Order! I issued what I thought Oh, yes. Order! I issued what I thought was Oh, yes. Order! I issued what I thought was a Oh, yes. Order! I issued what I thought was a reasonable Oh, yes. Order! I issued what I thought was a reasonable warning Oh, yes. Order! I issued what I thought was a reasonable warning to thought was a reasonable warning to my thought was a reasonable warning to Oh, thought was a reasonable warning to my right-hand side. thought was a reasonable warning to my right-hand side. It thought was a reasonable warning to my right-hand side. It appears thought was a reasonable warning to my right-hand side. It appears to my right-hand side. It appears to have my right-hand side. It appears to have been my right-hand side. It appears to have been ignored my right-hand side. It appears to have been ignored so my right-hand side. It appears to have been ignored so far. my right-hand side. It appears to have been ignored so far. So my right-hand side. It appears to have been ignored so far. So I my right-hand side. It appears to have been ignored so far. So I won't have been ignored so far. So I won't hesitate have been ignored so far. So I won't hesitate to have been ignored so far. So I won't hesitate to identify have been ignored so far. So I won't hesitate to identify somebody have been ignored so far. So I won't hesitate to identify somebody who hesitate to identify somebody who continues hesitate to identify somebody who continues to hesitate to identify somebody who continues to loudly hesitate to identify somebody who continues to loudly interject, hesitate to identify somebody who continues to loudly interject, and continues to loudly interject, and be continues to loudly interject, and be asking continues to loudly interject, and be asking them continues to loudly interject, and be asking them to continues to loudly interject, and be asking them to retire continues to loudly interject, and be asking them to retire for continues to loudly interject, and be asking them to retire for the be asking them to retire for the balance be asking them to retire for the balance of be asking them to retire for the balance of question be asking them to retire for the balance of question time. be asking them to retire for the balance of question time. Andrew balance of question time. Andrew Little. balance of question time. Andrew balance balance of question time. Andrew Little. Thank you, balance of question time. Andrew Little. Thank you, Mr balance of question time. Andrew Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker. balance of question time. Andrew Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given his Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given his outlandish Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given his outlandish claim Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given his outlandish claim that Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given his outlandish claim that 40 Little. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Given his outlandish claim that 40 people his outlandish claim that 40 people desperate his outlandish claim that 40 people balance his outlandish claim that 40 people desperate to rent his outlandish claim that 40 people desperate to rent a his outlandish claim that 40 people desperate to rent a house his outlandish claim that 40 people desperate to rent a house - his outlandish claim that 40 people desperate to rent a house - it desperate to rent a house - it happened desperate to rent a house - it happened to desperate to rent a house - it happened to be desperate to rent a house - it happened to be in desperate to rent a house - it happened to be in Wellington desperate to rent a house - it happened to be in Wellington - desperate to rent a house - it happened to be in Wellington - in happened to be in Wellington - in the happened to be in Wellington - in the middle happened to be in Wellington - in the middle of happened to be in Wellington - in the middle of a happened to be in Wellington - in the middle of a housing happened to be in Wellington - in the middle of a housing crisis happened to be in Wellington - in the middle of a housing crisis a the middle of a housing crisis a problem the middle of a housing crisis a problem of the middle of a housing crisis a problem of success, the middle of a housing crisis a problem of success, just the middle of a housing crisis a problem of success, just what the middle of a housing crisis a problem of success, just what kind problem of success, just what kind of problem of success, just what kind of a problem of success, just what kind of a problem problem of success, just what kind of a problem does problem of success, just what kind of a problem does he problem of success, just what kind of a problem does he call problem of success, just what kind of a problem does he call Nick of a problem does he call Nick Smith? of a problem does he call Nick Smith? Well, of a problem does he call Nick Smith? Well, Mr of a problem does he call Nick Smith? Well, Mr Speaker, of a problem does he call Nick Smith? Well, Mr Speaker, that's Smith? Well, Mr Speaker, that's right, Smith? Well, Mr Speaker, that's right, Nick Smith? Well, Mr Speaker, that's right, Nick Smith Smith? Well, Mr Speaker, that's right, Nick Smith has Smith? Well, Mr Speaker, that's right, Nick Smith has dealt Smith? Well, Mr Speaker, that's right, Nick Smith has dealt with right, Nick Smith has dealt with some right, Nick Smith has dealt with some of right, Nick Smith has dealt with some of the right, Nick Smith has dealt with some of the most right, Nick Smith has dealt with some of the most complex right, Nick Smith has dealt with some of the most complex problems right, Nick Smith has dealt with some of the most complex problems of some of the most complex problems of resource some of the most complex problems of resource law some of the most complex problems of resource law and some of the most complex problems of resource law and housing some of the most complex problems of resource law and housing more resource law and housing more successfully resource law and housing more resource resource law and housing more successfully than any resource law and housing more successfully than any other successfully than any other politician successfully than any other politician here successfully than any other politician here could successfully than any other politician here could have. successfully than any other politician here could have. But successfully than any other politician here could have. But he's politician here could have. But he's better politician here could have. But he's better at politician here could have. But he's better at - politician here could have. But he's better at - he's politician here could have. But he's better at - he's better politician here could have. But he's better at - he's better at politician here could have. But he's better at - he's better at solving better at - he's better at solving problems better at - he's better at solving problems than better at - he's better at solving problems than the better at - he's better at solving problems than the Leader better at - he's better at solving problems than the Leader of better at - he's better at solving problems than the Leader of the problems than the Leader of the Opposition, problems than the Leader of the Opposition, who problems than the Leader of the Opposition, who often problems than the Leader of the Opposition, who often gets problems than the Leader of the Opposition, who often gets his Opposition, who often gets his advice Opposition, who often gets his advice from Opposition, who often gets his advice from the Opposition, who often gets his advice from the Dominion Opposition, who often gets his advice from the Dominion editorials. advice from the Dominion editorials. I advice from the Dominion editorials. I invite advice from the Dominion editorials. I invite him advice from the Dominion editorials. I invite him to advice from the Dominion editorials. I invite him to read's advice from the Dominion editorials. I invite him to read's today advice from the Dominion editorials. I invite him to read's today which I invite him to read's today which includes, I invite him to read's today which includes, includes, I invite him to read's today which includes, includes, "Labour I invite him to read's today which includes, includes, "Labour leader, includes, includes, "Labour leader, Andrew includes, includes, "Labour leader, Andrew Little, includes, includes, "Labour leader, Andrew Little, is includes, includes, "Labour leader, Andrew Little, is in includes, includes, "Labour leader, Andrew Little, is in a includes, includes, "Labour leader, Andrew Little, is in a 'hopeless Andrew Little, is in a 'hopeless position.'" Andrew Little, is in a 'hopeless position.'" Order! Andrew Little, is in a 'hopeless position.'" Order! Supplementary position.'" Order! Supplementary question, position.'" Order! Supplementary question, Andrew position.'" Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. position.'" Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. Isn't position.'" Order! Supplementary question, Andrew Little. Isn't this question, Andrew Little. Isn't this the question, Andrew Little. Isn't this the truth question, Andrew Little. Isn't this the truth - question, Andrew Little. Isn't this the truth - a question, Andrew Little. Isn't this the truth - a Government question, Andrew Little. Isn't this the truth - a Government that question, Andrew Little. Isn't this the truth - a Government that wanted the truth - a Government that wanted a the truth - a Government that wanted a better the truth - a Government that wanted a better future the truth - a Government that wanted a better future will the truth - a Government that wanted a better future will be the truth - a Government that wanted a better future will be building the truth - a Government that wanted a better future will be building it a better future will be building it now a better future will be building it now by a better future will be building it now by saving a better future will be building it now by saving in a better future will be building it now by saving in the a better future will be building it now by saving in the super a better future will be building it now by saving in the super fund, now by saving in the super fund, cleaning now by saving in the super fund, cleaning up now by saving in the super fund, cleaning up our now by saving in the super fund, cleaning up our waterways, now by saving in the super fund, cleaning up our waterways, backing cleaning up our waterways, backing our cleaning up our waterways, backing cleaning cleaning up our waterways, backing our young people cleaning up our waterways, backing our young people and cleaning up our waterways, backing our young people and building our young people and building affordable our young people and building affordable homes our young people and building affordable homes for our young people and building affordable homes for families our young people and building affordable homes for families to affordable homes for families to buy, affordable homes for families to affordable affordable homes for families to buy, and why affordable homes for families to buy, and why does affordable homes for families to buy, and why does he affordable homes for families to buy, and why does he refuse affordable homes for families to buy, and why does he refuse to affordable homes for families to buy, and why does he refuse to do buy, and why does he refuse to do any buy, and why does he refuse to do any of buy, and why does he refuse to do any of that? buy, and why does he refuse to do any of that? Well, buy, and why does he refuse to do any of that? Well, Mr buy, and why does he refuse to do any of that? Well, Mr Speaker, buy, and why does he refuse to do any of that? Well, Mr Speaker, this any of that? Well, Mr Speaker, this is any of that? Well, Mr Speaker, this is where any of that? Well, Mr Speaker, this is where we any of that? Well, Mr Speaker, this is where we probably any of that? Well, Mr Speaker, this is where we probably agree, any of that? Well, Mr Speaker, this is where we probably agree, the is where we probably agree, the Government is where we probably agree, the Government is is where we probably agree, the Government is doing is where we probably agree, the Government is doing all is where we probably agree, the Government is doing all of is where we probably agree, the Government is doing all of those Government is doing all of those things, Government is doing all of those things, and Government is doing all of those things, and doing Government is doing all of those things, and doing all Government is doing all of those things, and doing all of Government is doing all of those things, and doing all of them Government is doing all of those things, and doing all of them very things, and doing all of them very well, things, and doing all of them very well, with things, and doing all of them very well, with the things, and doing all of them very well, with the exception things, and doing all of them very well, with the exception of things, and doing all of them very well, with the exception of actually well, with the exception of actually putting well, with the exception of actually putting cash well, with the exception of actually putting cash in well, with the exception of actually putting cash in the well, with the exception of actually putting cash in the superfund. well, with the exception of actually putting cash in the superfund. At putting cash in the superfund. At the putting cash in the superfund. At the moment, putting cash in the superfund. At the moment, we putting cash in the superfund. At the moment, we are putting cash in the superfund. At the moment, we are planning putting cash in the superfund. At the moment, we are planning to the moment, we are planning to reduce the moment, we are planning to things, the moment, we are planning to reduce debt first, the moment, we are planning to reduce debt first, because the moment, we are planning to reduce debt first, because that the moment, we are planning to reduce debt first, because that is reduce debt first, because that is prudent reduce debt first, because that is prudent management reduce debt first, because that is prudent management of reduce debt first, because that is prudent management of the prudent management of the Government's prudent management of the things, prudent management of the Government's balance sheet. prudent management of the Government's balance sheet. As prudent management of the Government's balance sheet. As soon Government's balance sheet. As soon as Government's balance sheet. As soon as we've Government's balance sheet. As soon as we've got Government's balance sheet. As soon as we've got it Government's balance sheet. As soon as we've got it down Government's balance sheet. As soon as we've got it down to Government's balance sheet. As soon as we've got it down to 20% Government's balance sheet. As soon as we've got it down to 20% of Government's balance sheet. As soon as we've got it down to 20% of GDP, as we've got it down to 20% of GDP, we'll as we've got it down to 20% of GDP, we'll start as we've got it down to 20% of GDP, we'll start contributing as we've got it down to 20% of GDP, we'll start contributing to as we've got it down to 20% of GDP, we'll start contributing to the we'll start contributing to the super we'll start contributing to the super fund. super fund. Question super fund. Question no. super fund. Question no. 3, super fund. Question no. 3, Metiria super fund. Question no. 3, Metiria Turei. super fund. Question no. 3, Metiria Turei. Tena Question no. 3, Metiria Turei. Tena koe, Question no. 3, Metiria Turei. Tena koe, Mr Question no. 3, Metiria Turei. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. koe, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS koe, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE koe, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE REO koe, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Yes. Yes. Supplementary Yes. Supplementary question, Yes. Supplementary question, Metiria Yes. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Yes. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Did Yes. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Did did Yes. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Did did the Yes. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Did did the PM Yes. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Did did the PM use Yes. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Did did the PM use genXars Turei. Did did the PM use genXars the Turei. Did did the PM use genXars the generation Turei. Did did the PM use genXars the generation to Turei. Did did the PM use genXars the generation to be Turei. Did did the PM use genXars the generation to be the Turei. Did did the PM use genXars the generation to be the full Turei. Did did the PM use genXars the generation to be the full cost the generation to be the full cost of the generation to be the full cost of his the generation to be the full cost of his planned the generation to be the full cost of his planned changes the generation to be the full cost of his planned changes to of his planned changes to superannuation? of his planned changes to superannuation? Well, of his planned changes to superannuation? Well, Mr of his planned changes to superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, that, superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, that, of superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, that, of course, superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, that, of course, is superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, that, of course, is not superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, that, of course, is not what's superannuation? Well, Mr Speaker, that, of course, is not what's been that, of course, is not what's been decided that, of course, is not what's been decided or that, of course, is not what's been decided or not that, of course, is not what's been decided or not decided. that, of course, is not what's been decided or not decided. What that, of course, is not what's been decided or not decided. What I that, of course, is not what's been decided or not decided. What I would decided or not decided. What I would like decided or not decided. What I would like - decided or not decided. What I would like - what decided or not decided. What I would like - what - decided or not decided. What I would like - what - the decided or not decided. What I would like - what - the question decided or not decided. 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Supplementary for health and education. Supplementary question, for health and education. Supplementary question, Metiria Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Has Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Has the Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Has the PM Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Has the PM seen Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Has the PM seen the Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Has the PM seen the evidence Turei. Has the PM seen the evidence that Turei. Has the PM seen the evidence that the Turei. Has the PM seen the evidence that the retirement Turei. Has the PM seen the evidence that the retirement savings Turei. Has the PM seen the evidence that the retirement savings for that the retirement savings for those that the retirement savings for those born that the retirement savings for those born in that the retirement savings for those born in the that the retirement savings for those born in the 1970s that the retirement savings for those born in the 1970s is that the retirement savings for those born in the 1970s is likely that the retirement savings for those born in the 1970s is likely to those born in the 1970s is likely to be those born in the 1970s is likely to be $100,000 those born in the 1970s is likely to be $100,000 less those born in the 1970s is likely to be $100,000 less than those born in the 1970s is likely to be $100,000 less than the those born in the 1970s is likely to be $100,000 less than the generation be $100,000 less than the generation born be $100,000 less than the generation born before, be $100,000 less than the generation born before, and, be $100,000 less than the generation born before, and, if be $100,000 less than the generation born before, and, if so, be $100,000 less than the generation born before, and, if so, why be $100,000 less than the generation born before, and, if so, why is be $100,000 less than the generation born before, and, if so, why is he born before, and, if so, why is he targeting born before, and, if so, why is he targeting that born before, and, if so, why is he targeting that generation born before, and, if so, why is he targeting that generation with born before, and, if so, why is he targeting that generation with the targeting that generation with the biggest targeting that generation with the biggest burden targeting that generation with the biggest burden of targeting that generation with the biggest burden of his targeting that generation with the biggest burden of his planned biggest burden of his planned changes biggest burden of his planned changes to biggest burden of his planned changes to superannuation? biggest burden of his planned changes to superannuation? The biggest burden of his planned changes to superannuation? The Rt changes to superannuation? The Rt Hon changes to superannuation? The Rt Hon PM. changes to superannuation? The Rt Hon PM. Well, changes to superannuation? The Rt Hon PM. Well, Mr changes to superannuation? The Rt Hon PM. Well, Mr Speaker, changes to superannuation? The Rt Hon PM. Well, Mr Speaker, the Hon PM. Well, Mr Speaker, the younger Hon PM. Well, Mr Speaker, the younger generation, Hon PM. Well, Mr Speaker, the younger generation, of Hon PM. 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That's what the Greens are carry the burden. That's what the Greens are doing. carry the burden. That's what the Greens are doing. Supplementary Greens are doing. Supplementary question, Greens are doing. Supplementary question, Metiria Greens are doing. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Greens are doing. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Can Greens are doing. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Can the Greens are doing. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Can the PM question, Metiria Turei. Can the PM please question, Metiria Turei. Can the PM please explain question, Metiria Turei. Can the PM please explain how question, Metiria Turei. Can the PM please explain how he question, Metiria Turei. Can the PM please explain how he expects question, Metiria Turei. Can the PM please explain how he expects young please explain how he expects young people, please explain how he expects young people, our please explain how he expects young people, our kids, please explain how he expects young people, our kids, actually, please explain how he expects young people, our kids, actually, how please explain how he expects young people, our kids, actually, how they people, our kids, actually, how they should people, our kids, actually, how they should plan people, our kids, actually, how they should plan for people, our kids, actually, how they should plan for their people, our kids, actually, how they should plan for their retirement people, our kids, actually, how they should plan for their retirement and should plan for their retirement and pay should plan for their retirement and pay for should plan for their retirement and pay for ours should plan for their retirement and pay for ours when should plan for their retirement and pay for ours when they should plan for their retirement and pay for ours when they are should plan for their retirement and pay for ours when they are already pay for ours when they are already struggling pay for ours when they are already struggling with pay for ours when they are already struggling with high pay for ours when they are already struggling with high student pay for ours when they are already struggling with high student loans struggling with high student loans and struggling with high student loans and sky-high struggling with high student loans and sky-high property struggling with high student loans and sky-high property prices? struggling with high student loans and sky-high property prices? 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What is going to make life hard for them is the to make life hard for them is the policies to make life hard for them is the policies of to make life hard for them is the policies of the to make life hard for them is the policies of the Labour to make life hard for them is the policies of the Labour and to make life hard for them is the policies of the Labour and the policies of the Labour and the Greens policies of the Labour and the Greens - policies of the Labour and the Greens - to policies of the Labour and the Greens - to put policies of the Labour and the Greens - to put up policies of the Labour and the Greens - to put up taxes, policies of the Labour and the Greens - to put up taxes, to policies of the Labour and the Greens - to put up taxes, to spend policies of the Labour and the Greens - to put up taxes, to spend a Greens - to put up taxes, to spend a whole Greens - to put up taxes, to spend a whole lot Greens - to put up taxes, to spend a whole lot more Greens - to put up taxes, to spend a whole lot more taxpayers' Greens - to put up taxes, to spend a whole lot more taxpayers' money Greens - to put up taxes, to spend a whole lot more taxpayers' money on whole lot more taxpayers' money on stuff whole lot more taxpayers' money on stuff that whole lot more taxpayers' money on stuff that doesn't whole lot more taxpayers' money on stuff that doesn't work. whole lot more taxpayers' money on stuff that doesn't work. I whole lot more taxpayers' money on stuff that doesn't work. I don't stuff that doesn't work. I don't think stuff that doesn't work. I don't think any stuff that doesn't work. I don't think any 35-year-old stuff that doesn't work. I don't think any 35-year-old now stuff that doesn't work. I don't think any 35-year-old now will think any 35-year-old now will welcome think any 35-year-old now will welcome those think any 35-year-old now will welcome those policies. welcome those policies. Supplementary welcome those policies. Supplementary question, welcome those policies. Supplementary question, Metiria Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Why Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Why is Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Why is the Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Why is the PM Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Why is the PM fuelling Supplementary question, Metiria Turei. Why is the PM fuelling the Turei. Why is the PM fuelling the intergenerational Turei. Why is the PM fuelling the intergenerational struggle Turei. Why is the PM fuelling the intergenerational struggle between intergenerational struggle between our intergenerational struggle between our generation, intergenerational struggle between our generation, his intergenerational struggle between our generation, his and intergenerational struggle between our generation, his and mine, intergenerational struggle between our generation, his and mine, and our generation, his and mine, and our our generation, his and mine, and our children's our generation, his and mine, and our children's generation our generation, his and mine, and our children's generation by our generation, his and mine, and our children's generation by locking our children's generation by locking them our children's generation by locking them out our children's generation by locking them out of our children's generation by locking them out of housing, our children's generation by locking them out of housing, forcing our children's generation by locking them out of housing, forcing them our children's generation by locking them out of housing, forcing them to them out of housing, forcing them to pay them out of housing, forcing them to pay for them out of housing, forcing them to pay for their them out of housing, forcing them to pay for their own them out of housing, forcing them to pay for their own education, them out of housing, forcing them to pay for their own education, pay them out of housing, forcing them to pay for their own education, pay for pay for their own education, pay for their pay for their own education, pay for their kids' pay for their own education, pay for their kids' education, pay for their own education, pay for their kids' education, pay pay for their own education, pay for their kids' education, pay for pay for their own education, pay for their kids' education, pay for their their kids' education, pay for their parents' their kids' education, pay for their parents' super, their kids' education, pay for their parents' super, and their kids' education, pay for their parents' super, and now their kids' education, pay for their parents' super, and now have their kids' education, pay for their parents' super, and now have to their kids' education, pay for their parents' super, and now have to wait parents' super, and now have to wait longer parents' super, and now have to wait longer for parents' super, and now have to wait longer for their parents' super, and now have to wait longer for their own? parents' super, and now have to wait longer for their own? Well, parents' super, and now have to wait longer for their own? Well, the longer for their own? Well, the member longer for their own? Well, the member still longer for their own? Well, the member still is longer for their own? Well, the member still is under longer for their own? Well, the member still is under the longer for their own? Well, the member still is under the burden longer for their own? Well, the member still is under the burden of member still is under the burden of a member still is under the burden of a basic member still is under the burden of a basic misunderstanding. member still is under the burden of a basic misunderstanding. The a basic misunderstanding. The announcement a basic misunderstanding. The announcement - a basic misunderstanding. The announcement - the a basic misunderstanding. The announcement - the Government's announcement - the Government's policy announcement - the Government's policy somewhat announcement - the Government's policy somewhat reduces announcement - the Government's policy somewhat reduces the announcement - the Government's policy somewhat reduces the burden policy somewhat reduces the burden on policy somewhat reduces the burden on the policy somewhat reduces the burden on the generation policy somewhat reduces the burden on the generation who policy somewhat reduces the burden on the generation who will policy somewhat reduces the burden on the generation who will be policy somewhat reduces the burden on the generation who will be paying on the generation who will be paying for on the generation who will be paying for super. on the generation who will be paying for super. It on the generation who will be paying for super. It is on the generation who will be paying for super. It is actually on the generation who will be paying for super. It is actually the on the generation who will be paying for super. It is actually the Greens for super. It is actually the Greens and for super. It is actually the Greens and Labour for super. It is actually the Greens and Labour policy for super. It is actually the Greens and Labour policy which for super. It is actually the Greens and Labour policy which says for super. It is actually the Greens and Labour policy which says nothing and Labour policy which says nothing will and Labour policy which says nothing will ever and Labour policy which says nothing will ever change and Labour policy which says nothing will ever change that and Labour policy which says nothing will ever change that guarantees will ever change that guarantees growth will ever change that guarantees growth in will ever change that guarantees growth in the will ever change that guarantees growth in the burden will ever change that guarantees growth in the burden on will ever change that guarantees growth in the burden on our growth in the burden on our workforce growth in the burden on our workforce in growth in the burden on our workforce in a growth in the burden on our workforce in a way growth in the burden on our workforce in a way that growth in the burden on our workforce in a way that we growth in the burden on our workforce in a way that we believe workforce in a way that we believe is workforce in a way that we believe is not workforce in a way that we believe is not fair workforce in a way that we believe is not fair or workforce in a way that we believe is not fair or reasonable. workforce in a way that we believe is not fair or reasonable. So, workforce in a way that we believe is not fair or reasonable. So, we is not fair or reasonable. So, we are is not fair or reasonable. So, we are lightening is not fair or reasonable. So, we are lightening the is not fair or reasonable. So, we are lightening the burden. is not fair or reasonable. So, we are lightening the burden. Labour are lightening the burden. Labour and are lightening the burden. Labour and the are lightening the burden. Labour and the Greens, are lightening the burden. Labour and the Greens, for are lightening the burden. Labour and the Greens, for short-term and the Greens, for short-term political and the Greens, for short-term political benefit, and the Greens, for short-term political benefit, want and the Greens, for short-term political benefit, want to and the Greens, for short-term political benefit, want to keep and the Greens, for short-term political benefit, want to keep the political benefit, want to keep the burden political benefit, want to keep the burden in political benefit, want to keep the burden in place political benefit, want to keep the burden in place and political benefit, want to keep the burden in place and ensure political benefit, want to keep the burden in place and ensure it political benefit, want to keep the burden in place and ensure it gets burden in place and ensure it gets worse. burden in place and ensure it gets worse. Question burden in place and ensure it gets worse. Question No. burden in place and ensure it gets worse. Question No. 4. burden in place and ensure it gets worse. Question No. 4. The burden in place and ensure it gets worse. Question No. 4. The Rt burden in place and ensure it gets worse. Question No. 4. The Rt Hon worse. Question No. 4. The Rt Hon Winston worse. Question No. 4. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. 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I say, 15 years ago. I haven't say, 15 years ago. I haven't made say, 15 years ago. I haven't made the say, 15 years ago. I haven't made the same I haven't made the same undertaking I haven't made the same undertaking as I haven't made the same undertaking as John, undertaking as John, so undertaking as John, so we undertaking as John, so we have undertaking as John, so we have the undertaking as John, so we have the opportunity so we have the opportunity for so we have the opportunity for a so we have the opportunity for a bit so we have the opportunity for a bit of so we have the opportunity for a bit of a so we have the opportunity for a bit of a reset so we have the opportunity for a bit of a reset there"? The The Rt The Rt Hon The Rt Hon PM. The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The reality The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The reality is The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The reality is that The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The reality is that because The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The reality is that because of The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The reality is that because of stronger The Rt Hon PM. Yes. The reality is that because of stronger economic that because of stronger economic growth that because of stronger economic growth in that because of stronger economic growth in New that because of stronger economic growth in New Zealand that because of stronger economic growth in New Zealand now that because of stronger economic growth in New Zealand now over that because of stronger economic growth in New Zealand now over the growth in New Zealand now over the last growth in New Zealand now over the last seven growth in New Zealand now over the last seven or growth in New Zealand now over the last seven or eight growth in New Zealand now over the last seven or eight years, growth in New Zealand now over the last seven or eight years, the last seven or eight years, the projections last seven or eight years, the projections about last seven or eight years, the projections about the last seven or eight years, the projections about the cost last seven or eight years, the projections about the cost of projections about the cost of national projections about the cost of national super projections about the cost of national super show projections about the cost of national super show that projections about the cost of national super show that it's projections about the cost of national super show that it's a projections about the cost of national super show that it's a bit national super show that it's a bit national super show that it's a bit national super show that it's a bit more affordable national super show that it's a bit more affordable than national super show that it's a bit more affordable than it national super show that it's a bit more affordable than it was. national super show that it's a bit more affordable than it was. But national super show that it's a bit more affordable than it was. But it more affordable than it was. But it is more affordable than it was. But it is still more affordable than it was. But it is still increasing more affordable than it was. But it is still increasing quite is still increasing quite significantly. is still increasing quite significantly. The is still increasing quite significantly. The fact is still increasing quite significantly. The fact is is still increasing quite significantly. The fact is if is still increasing quite significantly. The fact is if the significantly. The fact is if the economy significantly. The fact is if the economy had significantly. The fact is if the economy had not significantly. The fact is if the economy had not grown significantly. The fact is if the economy had not grown as economy had not grown as successfully economy had not grown as successfully as economy had not grown as successfully as it economy had not grown as successfully as it had economy had not grown as successfully as it had probably economy had not grown as successfully as it had probably more successfully as it had probably more drastic successfully as it had probably more drastic decision successfully as it had probably more drastic decision would successfully as it had probably more drastic decision would be successfully as it had probably more drastic decision would be required. drastic decision would be required. That's drastic decision would be required. That's why drastic decision would be required. That's why we drastic decision would be required. That's why we take drastic decision would be required. That's why we take the drastic decision would be required. That's why we take the opportunity That's why we take the opportunity for That's why we take the opportunity for a That's why we take the opportunity for a fair That's why we take the opportunity for a fair and That's why we take the opportunity for a fair and reasonable That's why we take the opportunity for a fair and reasonable transition for a fair and reasonable transition to for a fair and reasonable transition to a for a fair and reasonable transition to a higher for a fair and reasonable transition to a higher age for a fair and reasonable transition to a higher age of for a fair and reasonable transition to a higher age of eligibility. to a higher age of eligibility. Supplementary to a higher age of eligibility. Supplementary question, to a higher age of eligibility. Supplementary question, Rt to a higher age of eligibility. Supplementary question, Rt Hon Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. Why Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. Why should Supplementary question, Rt Hon Winston Peters. Why should New Winston Peters. Why should New Zealanders Winston Peters. Why should New Zealanders trust Winston Peters. Why should New Zealanders trust Nationals' Winston Peters. Why should New Zealanders trust Nationals' phase-in Zealanders trust Nationals' phase-in from Zealanders trust Nationals' phase-in from 20037, Zealanders trust Nationals' phase-in from 20037, and Zealanders trust Nationals' phase-in from 20037, and does Zealanders trust Nationals' phase-in from 20037, and does he Zealanders trust Nationals' phase-in from 20037, and does he recall from 20037, and does he recall Nationals' from 20037, and does he recall Nationals' 1990 from 20037, and does he recall Nationals' 1990 promise from 20037, and does he recall Nationals' 1990 promise to from 20037, and does he recall Nationals' 1990 promise to raise from 20037, and does he recall Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the age Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the age to Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the age to 65 Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the age to 65 over Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the age to 65 over a Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the age to 65 over a 20-year Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the age to 65 over a 20-year period, Nationals' 1990 promise to raise the age to 65 over a 20-year period, in age to 65 over a 20-year period, in annual age to 65 over a 20-year period, in annual increases age to 65 over a 20-year period, in annual increases of age to 65 over a 20-year period, in annual increases of three age to 65 over a 20-year period, in annual increases of three months age to 65 over a 20-year period, in annual increases of three months in annual increases of three months in the annual increases of three months in the age annual increases of three months in the age of annual increases of three months in the age of entitlement, annual increases of three months in the age of entitlement, which annual increases of three months in the age of entitlement, which then, the age of entitlement, which then, having the age of entitlement, which then, having won the age of entitlement, which then, having won the the age of entitlement, which then, having won the election, the age of entitlement, which then, having won the election, Nationals having won the election, Nationals switched having won the election, Nationals switched to having won the election, Nationals switched to just having won the election, Nationals switched to just eight having won the election, Nationals switched to just eight years having won the election, Nationals switched to just eight years after switched to just eight years after '99 switched to just eight years after '99 election? switched to just eight years after '99 election? That's switched to just eight years after '99 election? That's exactly switched to just eight years after '99 election? That's exactly the '99 election? That's exactly the point '99 election? That's exactly the point I '99 election? That's exactly the point I was '99 election? That's exactly the point I was going '99 election? That's exactly the point I was going to '99 election? That's exactly the point I was going to make. '99 election? That's exactly the point I was going to make. The point I was going to make. The person point I was going to make. The person who point I was going to make. The person who would point I was going to make. The person who would remember point I was going to make. The person who would remember all point I was going to make. The person who would remember all of person who would remember all of that person who would remember all of that is person who would remember all of that is the person who would remember all of that is the member person who would remember all of that is the member who person who would remember all of that is the member who was person who would remember all of that is the member who was both person who would remember all of that is the member who was both in that is the member who was both in the that is the member who was both in the Opposition that is the member who was both in the Opposition and that is the member who was both in the Opposition and then that is the member who was both in the Opposition and then the that is the member who was both in the Opposition and then the new the Opposition and then the new Cabinet the Opposition and then the new Cabinet that the Opposition and then the new Cabinet that made the Opposition and then the new Cabinet that made those the Opposition and then the new Cabinet that made those decisions. Cabinet that made those decisions. Point Cabinet that made those decisions. Point of Cabinet that made those decisions. Point of order. Cabinet that made those decisions. Point of order. Point Cabinet that made those decisions. Point of order. Point of Cabinet that made those decisions. Point of order. Point of order. Point of order. Point of order. There Point of order. Point of order. There are Point of order. Point of order. There are some Point of order. Point of order. There are some people Point of order. Point of order. There are some people in Point of order. Point of order. There are some people in this Point of order. Point of order. There are some people in this party, There are some people in this party, and There are some people in this party, and you There are some people in this party, and you would There are some people in this party, and you would be There are some people in this party, and you would be one There are some people in this party, and you would be one of There are some people in this party, and you would be one of them, There are some people in this party, and you would be one of them, the and you would be one of them, the National and you would be one of them, the National Party and you would be one of them, the National Party would and you would be one of them, the National Party would know and you would be one of them, the National Party would know that National Party would know that statement National Party would know that statement is National Party would know that statement is demonstrably National Party would know that statement is demonstrably false. statement is demonstrably false. Order! statement is demonstrably false. Order! Does statement is demonstrably false. Order! Does the statement is demonstrably false. Order! Does the member statement is demonstrably false. Order! Does the member want statement is demonstrably false. Order! Does the member want to statement is demonstrably false. Order! Does the member want to add? Order! Does the member want to add? No. Order! Does the member want to add? No. If Order! Does the member want to add? No. If the Order! Does the member want to add? No. If the member Order! Does the member want to add? No. If the member feels Order! Does the member want to add? No. If the member feels there Order! Does the member want to add? No. If the member feels there has No. If the member feels there has been No. If the member feels there has been a No. If the member feels there has been a misrepresentation, No. If the member feels there has been a misrepresentation, then No. If the member feels there has been a misrepresentation, then he been a misrepresentation, then he knows been a misrepresentation, then he knows what been a misrepresentation, then he knows what to been a misrepresentation, then he knows what to do been a misrepresentation, then he knows what to do about been a misrepresentation, then he knows what to do about it. been a misrepresentation, then he knows what to do about it. Further knows what to do about it. Further supplementary? knows what to do about it. Further supplementary? Supplementary supplementary? Supplementary question. supplementary? Supplementary question. Why supplementary? Supplementary question. Why should supplementary? Supplementary question. Why should New supplementary? Supplementary question. Why should New Zealanders question. Why should New Zealanders trust question. Why should New Zealanders trust National question. Why should New Zealanders trust National when question. Why should New Zealanders trust National when they question. Why should New Zealanders trust National when they won, trust National when they won, promised trust National when they won, promised to trust National when they won, promised to get trust National when they won, promised to get rid trust National when they won, promised to get rid of trust National when they won, promised to get rid of the trust National when they won, promised to get rid of the tax trust National when they won, promised to get rid of the tax and promised to get rid of the tax and didn't, promised to get rid of the tax and didn't, and, promised to get rid of the tax and didn't, and, second, promised to get rid of the tax and didn't, and, second, increased promised to get rid of the tax and didn't, and, second, increased it promised to get rid of the tax and didn't, and, second, increased it to didn't, and, second, increased it to 92 didn't, and, second, increased it to 92 cents didn't, and, second, increased it to 92 cents in didn't, and, second, increased it to 92 cents in the didn't, and, second, increased it to 92 cents in the dollar, didn't, and, second, increased it to 92 cents in the dollar, a didn't, and, second, increased it to 92 cents in the dollar, a situation 92 cents in the dollar, a situation which 92 cents in the dollar, a situation which only 92 cents in the dollar, a situation which only New 92 cents in the dollar, a situation which only New Zealand 92 cents in the dollar, a situation which only New Zealand First which only New Zealand First redeemed? which only New Zealand First redeemed? The which only New Zealand First redeemed? The Rt which only New Zealand First redeemed? The Rt Hon which only New Zealand First redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. which only New Zealand First redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. Well, which only New Zealand First redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. Well, as redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. Well, as the redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. Well, as the member redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. Well, as the member would redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. Well, as the member would have redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. Well, as the member would have a redeemed? The Rt Hon PM. Well, as the member would have a better the member would have a better recollection the member would have a better recollection than the member would have a better recollection than any the member would have a better recollection than any of the member would have a better recollection than any of us, the member would have a better recollection than any of us, as the member would have a better recollection than any of us, as I recollection than any of us, as I said, recollection than any of us, as I said, but recollection than any of us, as I said, but the recollection than any of us, as I said, but the question recollection than any of us, as I said, but the question the recollection than any of us, as I said, but the question the member said, but the question the member needs said, but the question the member needs to said, but the question the member needs to answer said, but the question the member needs to answer is: said, but the question the member needs to answer is: What said, but the question the member needs to answer is: What exactly said, but the question the member needs to answer is: What exactly is needs to answer is: What exactly is wrong needs to answer is: What exactly is wrong with needs to answer is: What exactly is wrong with the needs to answer is: What exactly is wrong with the announcement needs to answer is: What exactly is wrong with the announcement made wrong with the announcement made yesterday? wrong with the announcement made yesterday? What's wrong with the announcement made yesterday? What's wrong wrong with the announcement made yesterday? What's wrong with wrong with the announcement made yesterday? What's wrong with the yesterday? What's wrong with the policy? yesterday? What's wrong with the policy? Because yesterday? What's wrong with the policy? Because it yesterday? What's wrong with the policy? Because it protects yesterday? What's wrong with the policy? Because it protects all policy? Because it protects all existing policy? Because it protects all existing superannuants. policy? Because it protects all existing superannuants. It policy? Because it protects all existing superannuants. It protects existing superannuants. It protects those existing superannuants. It protects those who existing superannuants. It protects those who he existing superannuants. It protects those who he labels existing superannuants. It protects those who he labels as existing superannuants. It protects those who he labels as near those who he labels as near retirement. those who he labels as near retirement. In those who he labels as near retirement. In this those who he labels as near retirement. In this case, those who he labels as near retirement. In this case, it's retirement. In this case, it's everyone retirement. In this case, it's everyone aged retirement. In this case, it's everyone aged 45 retirement. In this case, it's everyone aged 45 and retirement. In this case, it's everyone aged 45 and over, retirement. In this case, it's everyone aged 45 and over, from retirement. In this case, it's everyone aged 45 and over, from any everyone aged 45 and over, from any change everyone aged 45 and over, from any change in everyone aged 45 and over, from any change in their everyone aged 45 and over, from any change in their superannuation change in their superannuation entitlement. change in their superannuation entitlement. And change in their superannuation entitlement. And it change in their superannuation entitlement. And it changes entitlement. And it changes residency entitlement. And it changes residency requirements entitlement. And it changes residency requirements in entitlement. And it changes residency requirements in a entitlement. And it changes residency requirements in a way residency requirements in a way which residency requirements in a way which I residency requirements in a way which I assume residency requirements in a way which I assume the residency requirements in a way which I assume the member residency requirements in a way which I assume the member supports. which I assume the member supports. So, which I assume the member supports. So, then which I assume the member supports. So, then the which I assume the member supports. So, then the question which I assume the member supports. So, then the question is: which I assume the member supports. 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But I invite the member to consider the policy member to consider the policy position member to consider the policy position that member to consider the policy position that we've member to consider the policy position that we've outlined, position that we've outlined, because position that we've outlined, because I position that we've outlined, because I believe position that we've outlined, because I believe it's position that we've outlined, because I believe it's one position that we've outlined, because I believe it's one that position that we've outlined, because I believe it's one that he because I believe it's one that he could because I believe it's one that he could support, because I believe it's one that he could support, not because I believe it's one that he could support, not completely, could support, not completely, maybe, could support, not completely, maybe, but could support, not completely, maybe, but it could support, not completely, maybe, but it does could support, not completely, maybe, but it does protect could support, not completely, maybe, but it does protect - could support, not completely, maybe, but it does protect - he maybe, but it does protect - he could maybe, but it does protect - he could support maybe, but it does protect - he could support these maybe, but it does protect - he could support these aspects: maybe, but it does protect - he could support these aspects: It could support these aspects: It protects could support these aspects: It protects existing could support these aspects: It protects existing superannuants. could support these aspects: It protects existing superannuants. 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The The Hon The Hon Steven The Hon Steven Joyce. The Hon Steven Joyce. I The Hon Steven Joyce. I confirm The Hon Steven Joyce. I confirm that The Hon Steven Joyce. I confirm that had The Hon Steven Joyce. I confirm that had contributions The Hon Steven Joyce. I confirm that had contributions not The Hon Steven Joyce. I confirm that had contributions not been The Hon Steven Joyce. I confirm that had contributions not been put The Hon Steven Joyce. 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Does he realise that the amount of money that higher taxation. 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Can he confirm that he continues to confirm that he continues to prioritise confirm that he continues to prioritise borrowing confirm that he continues to prioritise borrowing for confirm that he continues to prioritise borrowing for tax confirm that he continues to prioritise borrowing for tax cuts prioritise borrowing for tax cuts ahead prioritise borrowing for tax cuts ahead of prioritise borrowing for tax cuts ahead of re-starting prioritise borrowing for tax cuts ahead of re-starting contributions ahead of re-starting contributions to ahead of re-starting contributions to the ahead of re-starting contributions to the Super ahead of re-starting contributions to the Super Fund ahead of re-starting contributions to the Super Fund that ahead of re-starting contributions to the Super Fund that have ahead of re-starting contributions to the Super Fund that have been to the Super Fund that have been consistently to the Super Fund that have been consistently earning to the Super Fund that have been consistently earning far to the Super Fund that have been consistently earning far more to the Super Fund that have been consistently earning far more than consistently earning far more than the consistently earning far more than consistently consistently earning far more than the cost of consistently earning far more than the cost of borrowing? consistently earning far more than the cost of borrowing? Mr consistently earning far more than the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. What the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. What I the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. What I can the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. What I can say the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. What I can say to the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. What I can say to the the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. What I can say to the member the cost of borrowing? Mr Speaker, no. What I can say to the member is no. What I can say to the member is that no. What I can say to the member is that if no. What I can say to the member is that if the no. What I can say to the member is that if the Government no. What I can say to the member is that if the Government had no. What I can say to the member is that if the Government had taken no. 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It is a fundamental ready to come into effect on 1 April this year. It is a fundamental shift this year. It is a fundamental shift from this year. It is a fundamental shift from the this year. It is a fundamental shift from the crisis this year. It is a fundamental shift from the crisis management this year. It is a fundamental shift from the crisis management approach from the crisis management approach of from the crisis management approach of Child, from the crisis management approach of Child, Youth from the crisis management approach of Child, Youth and from the crisis management approach of Child, Youth and Family, from the crisis management approach of Child, Youth and Family, to from the crisis management approach of Child, Youth and Family, to focus of Child, Youth and Family, to focus on of Child, Youth and Family, to focus on better of Child, Youth and Family, to focus on better long-term of Child, Youth and Family, to focus on better long-term life of Child, Youth and Family, to focus on better long-term life outcomes on better long-term life outcomes for on better long-term life outcomes for our on better long-term life outcomes for our most on better long-term life outcomes for our most vulnerable on better long-term life outcomes for our most vulnerable people on better long-term life outcomes for our most vulnerable people and for our most vulnerable people and young for our most vulnerable people and young children. for our most vulnerable people and young children. It for our most vulnerable people and young children. It will for our most vulnerable people and young children. It will focus for our most vulnerable people and young children. It will focus on young children. It will focus on prevention, young children. It will focus on prevention, intensive young children. It will focus on prevention, intensive intervention, prevention, intensive intervention, care prevention, intensive intervention, care support, prevention, intensive intervention, care support, youth prevention, intensive intervention, care support, youth justice, prevention, intensive intervention, care support, youth justice, and care support, youth justice, and transition care support, youth justice, and transition support. care support, youth justice, and transition support. I care support, youth justice, and transition support. I have care support, youth justice, and transition support. I have seen transition support. I have seen reports transition support. 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Instead, what this Government is Youth and Family. Instead, what this Government is pursuing Youth and Family. Instead, what this Government is pursuing is Youth and Family. Instead, what this Government is pursuing is a Government is pursuing is a fundamental Government is pursuing is a Government Government is pursuing is a fundamental change in Government is pursuing is a fundamental change in the Government is pursuing is a fundamental change in the way Government is pursuing is a fundamental change in the way we fundamental change in the way we deal fundamental change in the way we deal with fundamental change in the way we deal with care fundamental change in the way we deal with care and fundamental change in the way we deal with care and protection fundamental change in the way we deal with care and protection in fundamental change in the way we deal with care and protection in New deal with care and protection in New Zealand. deal with care and protection in New Zealand. How deal with care and protection in New Zealand. How will deal with care and protection in New Zealand. How will the deal with care and protection in New Zealand. How will the the deal with care and protection in New Zealand. How will the the new Zealand. How will the the new Ministry Zealand. How will the the new Ministry for Zealand. How will the the new Ministry for Vulnerable Zealand. How will the the new Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Ministry for Vulnerable Children, deal Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki? It Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki? It will Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki? It will take Ministry for Vulnerable Children, Oranga Tamariki? It will take a Oranga Tamariki? It will take a child-centred Oranga Tamariki? It will take a child-centred focus Oranga Tamariki? It will take a child-centred focus with Oranga Tamariki? It will take a child-centred focus with much Oranga Tamariki? It will take a child-centred focus with much more child-centred focus with much more focus child-centred focus with much more child-centred child-centred focus with much more focus on prevention child-centred focus with much more focus on prevention and child-centred focus with much more focus on prevention and early focus on prevention and early intervention focus on prevention and early intervention to focus on prevention and early intervention to keep focus on prevention and early intervention to keep families intervention to keep families together. intervention to keep families together. This intervention to keep families together. This is intervention to keep families together. This is not intervention to keep families together. This is not a intervention to keep families together. This is not a quick-fix. together. This is not a quick-fix. This together. This is not a quick-fix. This is together. This is not a quick-fix. This is a together. This is not a quick-fix. This is a long together. This is not a quick-fix. This is a long process together. This is not a quick-fix. This is a long process of together. This is not a quick-fix. This is a long process of reforms This is a long process of reforms over This is a long process of reforms over four This is a long process of reforms over four to This is a long process of reforms over four to five This is a long process of reforms over four to five years This is a long process of reforms over four to five years to This is a long process of reforms over four to five years to be This is a long process of reforms over four to five years to be fully over four to five years to be fully implemented over four to five years to be fully implemented and over four to five years to be fully implemented and bedded over four to five years to be fully implemented and bedded in. over four to five years to be fully implemented and bedded in. We over four to five years to be fully implemented and bedded in. We have implemented and bedded in. We have seen implemented and bedded in. We have seen some implemented and bedded in. We have seen some of implemented and bedded in. We have seen some of these implemented and bedded in. We have seen some of these reforms implemented and bedded in. We have seen some of these reforms taking seen some of these reforms taking place, seen some of these reforms taking place, with seen some of these reforms taking place, with the seen some of these reforms taking place, with the implementation seen some of these reforms taking place, with the implementation of place, with the implementation of VOICE, place, with the implementation of VOICE, and place, with the implementation of VOICE, and ensuring place, with the implementation of VOICE, and ensuring that place, with the implementation of VOICE, and ensuring that young VOICE, and ensuring that young people's VOICE, and ensuring that young people's voices VOICE, and ensuring that young people's voices will VOICE, and ensuring that young people's voices will be VOICE, and ensuring that young people's voices will be heard VOICE, and ensuring that young people's voices will be heard and people's voices will be heard and decisions people's voices will be heard and VOICE, people's voices will be heard and decisions kept at people's voices will be heard and decisions kept at the people's voices will be heard and decisions kept at the centre people's voices will be heard and decisions kept at the centre they're decisions kept at the centre they're made decisions kept at the centre they're made in. decisions kept at the centre they're made in. They decisions kept at the centre they're made in. They run decisions kept at the centre they're made in. They run it. decisions kept at the centre they're made in. They run it. What decisions kept at the centre they're made in. They run it. What other made in. They run it. What other changes made in. They run it. What other changes are made in. They run it. What other changes are being made in. They run it. What other changes are being made made in. They run it. What other changes are being made as made in. They run it. What other changes are being made as part made in. They run it. What other changes are being made as part of changes are being made as part of the changes are being made as part of the overhaul changes are being made as part of the overhaul of changes are being made as part of the overhaul of Child, changes are being made as part of the overhaul of Child, Youth changes are being made as part of the overhaul of Child, Youth and the overhaul of Child, Youth and Family. the overhaul of Child, Youth and Family. There the overhaul of Child, Youth and Family. There will the overhaul of Child, Youth and Family. There will be the overhaul of Child, Youth and Family. There will be intensive Family. There will be intensive targeted Family. There will be intensive targeted support Family. There will be intensive targeted support for Family. There will be intensive targeted support for care-givers, targeted support for care-givers, including targeted support for care-givers, including some targeted support for care-givers, including some increased targeted support for care-givers, including some increased financial including some increased financial assistance, including some increased financial assistance, and including some increased financial assistance, and better including some increased financial assistance, and better access including some increased financial assistance, and better access to assistance, and better access to support assistance, and better access to support services. assistance, and better access to support services. National assistance, and better access to support services. National care support services. National care standards support services. National care standards will support services. National care standards will be support services. National care standards will be introduced support services. National care standards will be introduced so standards will be introduced so there standards will be introduced so there is standards will be introduced so there is a standards will be introduced so there is a clear standards will be introduced so there is a clear expectation standards will be introduced so there is a clear expectation for standards will be introduced so there is a clear expectation for the there is a clear expectation for the standard there is a clear expectation for the standard and there is a clear expectation for the standard and quality there is a clear expectation for the standard and quality of there is a clear expectation for the standard and quality of care there is a clear expectation for the standard and quality of care in standard and quality of care in placement standard and quality of care in placement homes. standard and quality of care in placement homes. We standard and quality of care in placement homes. We have standard and quality of care in placement homes. We have already placement homes. We have already passed placement homes. We have already passed legislation placement homes. We have already passed legislation to placement homes. We have already passed legislation to raise placement homes. We have already passed legislation to raise the placement homes. We have already passed legislation to raise the age passed legislation to raise the age of passed legislation to raise the age of state passed legislation to raise the age of state care passed legislation to raise the age of state care to passed legislation to raise the age of state care to a passed legislation to raise the age of state care to a child's passed legislation to raise the age of state care to a child's 18th of state care to a child's 18th birthday. of state care to a child's 18th birthday. I of state care to a child's 18th birthday. I have of state care to a child's 18th birthday. I have to of state care to a child's 18th birthday. I have to say, of state care to a child's 18th birthday. I have to say, Mr of state care to a child's 18th birthday. I have to say, Mr Speaker, birthday. I have to say, Mr Speaker, it's birthday. I have to say, Mr Speaker, it's disappointing birthday. I have to say, Mr Speaker, it's disappointing to birthday. I have to say, Mr Speaker, it's disappointing to see birthday. I have to say, Mr Speaker, it's disappointing to see members it's disappointing to see members who it's disappointing to see members who have it's disappointing to see members who have launched it's disappointing to see members who have launched and it's disappointing to see members who have launched and presented who have launched and presented petitions, who have launched and presented petitions, calling who have launched and presented petitions, calling on who have launched and presented petitions, calling on me who have launched and presented petitions, calling on me to petitions, calling on me to implement petitions, calling on me to implement these petitions, calling on me to implement these exact petitions, calling on me to implement these exact changes, petitions, calling on me to implement these exact changes, then implement these exact changes, then vote implement these exact changes, then vote against implement these exact changes, then vote against the implement these exact changes, then vote against the legislation, vote against the legislation, including vote against the legislation, including Labour's vote against the legislation, including Labour's Children's including Labour's Children's Spokesperson including Labour's Children's Spokesperson and including Labour's Children's Spokesperson and new including Labour's Children's Spokesperson and new Deputy including Labour's Children's Spokesperson and new Deputy Leader, Spokesperson and new Deputy Leader, Jacinda Spokesperson and new Deputy Leader, Jacinda Ardern. Spokesperson and new Deputy Leader, Jacinda Ardern. Question Spokesperson and new Deputy Leader, Jacinda Ardern. Question no. Spokesperson and new Deputy Leader, Jacinda Ardern. Question no. 11, Spokesperson and new Deputy Leader, Jacinda Ardern. Question no. 11, the Jacinda Ardern. Question no. 11, the Hon Jacinda Ardern. Question no. 11, the Spokesperson Jacinda Ardern. Question no. 11, the Hon David Parker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for the My question is to the Minister for the Environment: My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Does My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Does he My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Does he believe for the Environment: Does he believe that for the Environment: Does he believe that he for the Environment: Does he believe that he has for the Environment: Does he believe that he has control for the Environment: Does he believe that he has control of for the Environment: Does he believe that he has control of his that he has control of his Environment that he has control of his Environment portfolio, My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for the My question is to the Minister for the Environment: My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Does My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Does he My question is to the Minister for the Environment: Does he believe for the Environment: Does he believe that for the Environment: Does he believe that he for the Environment: Does he believe that he has for the Environment: Does he believe that he has control for the Environment: Does he believe that he has control of for the Environment: Does he believe that he has control of his that he has control of his Environment that he has control of his Environment portfolio, Environment portfolio, given Environment portfolio, given the Environment portfolio, given the Kermadec Environment portfolio, given the Kermadec sanctuary given the Kermadec sanctuary legislation given the Kermadec sanctuary legislation he given the Kermadec sanctuary legislation he is given the Kermadec sanctuary legislation he is responsible legislation he is responsible for legislation he is responsible for is legislation he is responsible for is becalmed, legislation he is responsible for is becalmed, and legislation he is responsible for is becalmed, and his legislation he is responsible for is becalmed, and his proposed for is becalmed, and his proposed standard for is becalmed, and his proposed standard for for is becalmed, and his proposed standard for swimmable for is becalmed, and his proposed standard for swimmable rivers for is becalmed, and his proposed standard for swimmable rivers has standard for swimmable rivers has been standard for swimmable rivers has been condemned standard for swimmable rivers has been condemned by standard for swimmable rivers has been condemned by freshwater been condemned by freshwater scientists been condemned by freshwater scientists and been condemned by freshwater scientists and environmentalists, scientists and environmentalists, as scientists and environmentalists, as well scientists and environmentalists, as well as scientists and environmentalists, as well as recreational scientists and environmentalists, as well as recreational users as well as recreational users of as well as recreational users of the as well as recreational users of the rivers as well as recreational users of the rivers and as well as recreational users of the rivers and lakes, of the rivers and lakes, which of the rivers and lakes, which have of the rivers and lakes, which have been of the rivers and lakes, which have been deteriorating which have been deteriorating under which have been deteriorating under his which have been deteriorating under his watch? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr Nick The Hon Dr Nick Smith. The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, I'm The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, I'm happy The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, I'm happy to The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, I'm happy to be The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, I'm happy to be judged The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, I'm happy to be judged on The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, I'm happy to be judged on results. I'm happy to be judged on results. I've I'm happy to be judged on results. I've successfully... I've successfully... <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> I <INTERRUPTION> I have <INTERRUPTION> I have successfully <INTERRUPTION> I have successfully concluded <INTERRUPTION> I have successfully concluded 10 I have successfully concluded 10 marine I have successfully concluded 10 marine reserves I have successfully concluded 10 marine reserves under I have successfully concluded 10 marine reserves under this marine reserves under this Government marine reserves under this Government and marine reserves under this Government and three marine reserves under this Government and three previously. marine reserves under this Government and three previously. All Government and three previously. All the Government and three previously. All the key Government and three previously. All the key stakeholders Government and three previously. All the key stakeholders on Government and three previously. All the key stakeholders on fresh Government and three previously. All the key stakeholders on fresh water the key stakeholders on fresh water acknowledge the key stakeholders on fresh water acknowledge that the key stakeholders on fresh water acknowledge that this the key stakeholders on fresh water acknowledge that this Government the key stakeholders on fresh water acknowledge that this Government is acknowledge that this Government is doing acknowledge that this Government is doing more acknowledge that this Government is doing more than acknowledge that this Government is doing more than any acknowledge that this Government is doing more than any Government acknowledge that this Government is doing more than any Government has doing more than any Government has in doing more than any Government has in advancing doing more than any Government has in advancing reforms doing more than any Government has in advancing reforms to doing more than any Government has in advancing reforms to deliver in advancing reforms to deliver better in advancing reforms to deliver in in advancing reforms to deliver better water quality. in advancing reforms to deliver better water quality. The better water quality. The controversy better water quality. The controversy is better water quality. The controversy is that better water quality. The controversy is that some better water quality. The controversy is that some extreme controversy is that some extreme Greens controversy is that some extreme Greens wasn't controversy is that some extreme Greens wasn't impractical controversy is that some extreme Greens wasn't impractical policies Greens wasn't impractical policies that Greens wasn't impractical policies that simply Greens wasn't impractical policies that simply won't Greens wasn't impractical policies that simply won't work. Greens wasn't impractical policies that simply won't work. Does Greens wasn't impractical policies that simply won't work. Does he that simply won't work. Does he agree that simply won't work. Does he controversy that simply won't work. Does he agree with Forest that simply won't work. Does he agree with Forest and that simply won't work. Does he agree with Forest and Bird that simply won't work. Does he agree with Forest and Bird that that simply won't work. Does he agree with Forest and Bird that his agree with Forest and Bird that his swimmable agree with Forest and Bird that his swimmable standard agree with Forest and Bird that his swimmable standard excludes agree with Forest and Bird that his swimmable standard excludes a agree with Forest and Bird that his swimmable standard excludes a large swimmable standard excludes a large number swimmable standard excludes a large number of swimmable standard excludes a large number of local swimmable standard excludes a large number of local rivers swimmable standard excludes a large number of local rivers that swimmable standard excludes a large number of local rivers that Kiwis number of local rivers that Kiwis actually number of local rivers that Kiwis actually swim number of local rivers that Kiwis actually swim in, number of local rivers that Kiwis actually swim in, or number of local rivers that Kiwis actually swim in, or with number of local rivers that Kiwis actually swim in, or with freshwater actually swim in, or with freshwater scientist actually swim in, or with freshwater scientist Mike actually swim in, or with freshwater scientist Mike Joy actually swim in, or with freshwater scientist Mike Joy who actually swim in, or with freshwater scientist Mike Joy who has actually swim in, or with freshwater scientist Mike Joy who has said, scientist Mike Joy who has said, "The scientist Mike Joy who has said, "The Government scientist Mike Joy who has said, "The Government has scientist Mike Joy who has said, "The Government has shifted scientist Mike Joy who has said, "The Government has shifted the scientist Mike Joy who has said, "The Government has shifted the goal "The Government has shifted the goal posts", "The Government has shifted the goal posts", and, "The Government has shifted the goal posts", and, "Tried "The Government has shifted the goal posts", and, "Tried to "The Government has shifted the goal posts", and, "Tried to pull "The Government has shifted the goal posts", and, "Tried to pull a "The Government has shifted the goal posts", and, "Tried to pull a swifty posts", and, "Tried to pull a swifty on posts", and, "Tried to pull a swifty on the posts", and, "Tried to pull a swifty on the people posts", and, "Tried to pull a swifty on the people of posts", and, "Tried to pull a swifty on the people of New posts", and, "Tried to pull a swifty on the people of New Zealand"? posts", and, "Tried to pull a swifty on the people of New Zealand"? Mr on the people of New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, on the people of New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, in on the people of New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, in respect on the people of New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, in respect of on the people of New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, in respect of Kevin on the people of New Zealand"? Mr Speaker, in respect of Kevin Hayes' Speaker, in respect of Kevin Hayes' comments Speaker, in respect of Kevin Hayes' comments at Speaker, in respect of Kevin Hayes' comments at the Speaker, in respect of Kevin Hayes' comments at the weekend, Speaker, in respect of Kevin Hayes' comments at the weekend, I Speaker, in respect of Kevin Hayes' comments at the weekend, I would comments at the weekend, I would love comments at the weekend, I would love to comments at the weekend, I would love to take comments at the weekend, I would love to take members comments at the weekend, I would love to take members of comments at the weekend, I would love to take members of this comments at the weekend, I would love to take members of this house love to take members of this house to love to take members of this house to some love to take members of this house to some of love to take members of this house to some of the love to take members of this house to some of the streams love to take members of this house to some of the streams he love to take members of this house to some of the streams he should love to take members of this house to some of the streams he should be to some of the streams he should be monitored to some of the streams he should be monitored in to some of the streams he should be monitored in Wellington to some of the streams he should be monitored in Wellington because monitored in Wellington because they're monitored in Wellington because they're actually monitored in Wellington because they're actually underground monitored in Wellington because they're actually underground pumps. they're actually underground pumps. Secondly, they're actually underground pumps. Secondly, the they're actually underground pumps. Secondly, the standards they're actually underground pumps. Secondly, the standards set they're actually underground pumps. Secondly, the standards set apply they're actually underground pumps. Secondly, the standards set apply to Secondly, the standards set apply to lakes Secondly, the standards set apply to love Secondly, the standards set apply to lakes more than Secondly, the standards set apply to lakes more than 40cm Secondly, the standards set apply to lakes more than 40cm deep, Secondly, the standards set apply to lakes more than 40cm deep, and lakes more than 40cm deep, and lakes. lakes more than 40cm deep, and lakes. But lakes more than 40cm deep, and lakes. But hello, lakes more than 40cm deep, and lakes. But hello, hull lakes more than 40cm deep, and lakes. But hello, hull -- lakes more than 40cm deep, and lakes. But hello, hull -- hello, lakes more than 40cm deep, and lakes. But hello, hull -- hello, 90% lakes. But hello, hull -- hello, 90% of lakes. But hello, hull -- hello, 90% of the lakes. But hello, hull -- hello, 90% of the smaller lakes. But hello, hull -- hello, 90% of the smaller waterways lakes. But hello, hull -- hello, 90% of the smaller waterways actually of the smaller waterways actually flow of the smaller waterways actually of of the smaller waterways actually flow into those of the smaller waterways actually flow into those and of the smaller waterways actually flow into those and will of the smaller waterways actually flow into those and will have of the smaller waterways actually flow into those and will have to flow into those and will have to have flow into those and will have to have improved flow into those and will have to have improved water flow into those and will have to have improved water quality flow into those and will have to have improved water quality for flow into those and will have to have improved water quality for the have improved water quality for the policy have improved water quality for the flow have improved water quality for the policy to be have improved water quality for the policy to be chriveed. have improved water quality for the policy to be chriveed. Thirdly, policy to be chriveed. Thirdly, regional policy to be chriveed. Thirdly, regional councils policy to be chriveed. Thirdly, regional councils have policy to be chriveed. Thirdly, regional councils have able policy to be chriveed. Thirdly, regional councils have able to regional councils have able to identify regional councils have able to identify smaller regional councils have able to identify smaller water regional councils have able to identify smaller water bodies, regional councils have able to identify smaller water bodies, set identify smaller water bodies, set standards identify smaller water bodies, set standards for identify smaller water bodies, set standards for them, identify smaller water bodies, set standards for them, and identify smaller water bodies, set standards for them, and improve standards for them, and improve them. standards for them, and improve them. Order! Point Point of Point of order... Point of order... It Point of order... It is Point of order... It is just Point of order... It is just a Point of order... It is just a matter Point of order... It is just a matter of Point of order... It is just a matter of curtsey Point of order... It is just a matter of curtsey I Point of order... It is just a matter of curtsey I seek Point of order... It is just a matter of curtsey I seek to Point of order... It is just a matter of curtsey I seek to raise. matter of curtsey I seek to raise. I'm matter of curtsey I seek to raise. I'm watching matter of curtsey I seek to raise. I'm watching the matter of curtsey I seek to raise. I'm watching the minister matter of curtsey I seek to raise. I'm watching the minister there matter of curtsey I seek to raise. 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Mr Speaker, I take offence at the allegation that's been made at the allegation that's been made by at the allegation that's been made by Mr at the allegation that's been made by Mr Peters at the allegation that's been made by Mr Peters and at the allegation that's been made by Mr Peters and I at the allegation that's been made by Mr Peters and I think at the allegation that's been made by Mr Peters and I think he at the allegation that's been made by Mr Peters and I think he should by Mr Peters and I think he should be by Mr Peters and I think he should be asked by Mr Peters and I think he should be asked to by Mr Peters and I think he should be asked to withdraw by Mr Peters and I think he should be asked to withdraw and by Mr Peters and I think he should be asked to withdraw and apologise. be asked to withdraw and apologise. And be asked to withdraw and apologise. And the be asked to withdraw and apologise. And the member be asked to withdraw and apologise. And the member is be asked to withdraw and apologise. And the member is not be asked to withdraw and apologise. And the member is not meant be asked to withdraw and apologise. And the member is not meant to be asked to withdraw and apologise. And the member is not meant to be And the member is not meant to be using And the member is not meant to be using a And the member is not meant to be using a cell And the member is not meant to be using a cell phone And the member is not meant to be using a cell phone to And the member is not meant to be using a cell phone to take using a cell phone to take photographs using a cell phone to take Supplementary using a cell phone to take photographs in this using a cell phone to take photographs in this House. using a cell phone to take photographs in this House. The photographs in this House. The member photographs in this House. The member stands, photographs in this House. The member stands, withdraws photographs in this House. 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I am not convinced the matter has such an element of matter has such an element of urgency matter has such an element of Government matter has such an element of urgency that it matter has such an element of urgency that it must matter has such an element of urgency that it must take matter has such an element of urgency that it must take precedent urgency that it must take precedent over urgency that it must take precedent over other urgency that it must take precedent over other business urgency that it must take precedent over other business of urgency that it must take precedent over other business of the urgency that it must take precedent over other business of the House. over other business of the House. The over other business of the House. The application over other business of the House. The application is over other business of the House. The application is therefore The application is therefore declined. The The Hon The Hon Brownlee. The Hon Brownlee. Mr The Hon Brownlee. 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