KEI NGA IHOIHO O NGA MAUNGA WHAKAHI, KEI NGA WAI WHAKATERE TANIWHA TENA KOUTOU KATOA. KO MIHINGARANGI TENEI E MIHI ATU NEI, NAU MAI, TAHUTI MAI RA. WELCOME TO THE HUI, MAORI CURRENT AFFAIRS FOR ALL NEW ZEALANDERS. E HAERE AKE NEI. (GASPS, WHEEZES) IT'S RAW AND IT'S REAL. A VIRAL VIDEO EXPOSING THE SHOCKING EFFECTS OF SYNTHETIC DRUGS. FOR THE FRIST TIME, THE GIRL AT THE CENTRE OF THE VIDEO BREAKS HER SILENCE. I FELT SHOCKED. LIKE, DIDN'T THINK I WAS LIKE THAT. THE MOTHER OF ONE OPENS UP ABOUT HOW SHE GOT HOOKED ON SYNTHETICS AND HER STRUGGLE TO BREAK FREE FROM HER ADDICTION. AND THE LEADERS OF THE MANA PARTY AND THE MAORI PARTY ARE HERE TO DISCUSS ALL THE LATEST MANOEUVRING IN THE MAORI SEATS. COPYRIGHT ABLE 2017 KARAHUIHUI MAI. YOU MAY HAVE RECENTLY SEEN A DISTURBING VIDEO OF A YOUNG WOMAN UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SYNTHETIC DRUGS. AFTER BEING UPLOADED BY HER BROTHER ON SOCIAL MEDIA, IT WENT VIRAL, VIEWED AROUND THE WORLD. THIS WEEK, FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE YOUNG WOMAN IN THAT VIDEO BRAVELY SHARES HER STORY WITH THE HUI. ANEI RAIHA PAKI. (GASPS) (GASPS) IT'S A CONFRONTING SCENE. A YOUNG WOMAN AND HER BOYFRIEND IN A ZOMBIE-LIKE STATE,... (WHEEZES) ...UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SYNTHETIC DRUGS. (CROAKS, SNARLS) (CROAKS) THE WOMAN IN THE VIDEO IS MOTHER OF ONE NGAETU GROVER (22). MAN: ARE YOU ALL RIGHT? (CROAKS) LOOK AT YOUSE. WHAT'S IT LIKE TO SEE YOURSELF IN THAT VIDEO? I FELT SHOCKED THAT THAT'S HOW I WAS, IN THAT STATE, WHEN I GET, LIKE, IN ANOTHER WORLD, KIND OF THING. LIKE, DIDN'T THINK I WAS LIKE THAT. AND I WAS SCARED. LIKE, THAT'S HOW I GET AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE. AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THE EFFECTS THAT I WAS GETTING. THE VIDEO WAS RECORDED THEN POSTED ON FACEBOOK BY HER DESPERATE BROTHER. HE SAYS HE WAS SENDING HIS SISTER A WAKE-UP CALL. MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT I PUT IT UP TO SHAME THEM OR HUMILIATE THEM. I PUT IT UP FOR JUST TO PUT AND IMAGE ON OUR YOUTH, JUST TO THINK OF WHAT DRUGS LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT IT DOES TO YOU. SO, ENCOURAGE THEM JUST TO SAY NO TO DRUBS. HE'S A KIND, LOVING, CARING BROTHER, WHO OUT OF DESPAIR, OUT OF FRUSTRATION, TUAKEU FELT THAT WAS ALL HE HAD LEFT TO DO. NGAETU'S SYNTHETIC STUPOR HAS NOW BEEN VIEWED 2. 7 MILLION TIMES. FEELS SHAMING, KIND OF. BUT THEN IT FEELS LIKE A GOOD THING, SO, LIKE, EVERYONE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT ACTUALLY THE EFFECTS OF THAT DRUGS DOES. AND HOPEFULLY IT DOES HELPS OTHERS GETTING OFF IT. NGAETU AND TUAKEU COME FROM A LOVING WHANAU. GROWING UP, THE SIBLINGS WERE CLOSE, AND NGAETU ALWAYS LOOKED OUT FOR HER LITTLE BROTHER. SHE USED TO CLEAN UP AFTER ME, DO ALL MY DISHES AND STUFF. SHE USED TO HAVE MY BACK IF I GET INTO TROUBLE, OR IF SHE KNOWS ILL GET INTO TROUBLE, SHE'LL MAKE SURE I DON'T. THE WAY WE WERE BROUGHT UP, IT ISN'T LIKE HOW IT IS NOW, HOW I HAVE, LIKE, GONE TOWARDS THIS PATH, I DIDN'T THINK THAT I WOULD'VE CHOSEN THIS PATH THAT I WENT DOWN. (KAPA HAKA) IN HER TEENS, NGAETU'S LIFE WAS HEADED IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THIS FOOTAGE TAKEN AT A WHANAU BIRTHDAY SHOWS NGAETU PERFORMING ALONGSIDE HER BROTHER. SHE WENT TO A GOOD KURA AND LOVED KAPA HAKA. KURA DAYS, THAT WAS GOOD DAYS. THAT WAS JUST, LIKE, DOING KURA AND THEN PLAYING AND THEN STAYING OVER AT FRIENDS HOUSES. JUST DOING NORMAL KURA THINGS. NGAETU'S PATH TO ADDICTION STARTED WITH MARIJUANA, BUT OVER TIME PROGRESSED TO SYNTHETICS. GETTING STRAIGHT IS A DAILY STRUGGLE. IT'S DIFFICULT. LIKE, I SEE THE VIDEO AND I STILL CAN'T HELP BUT JUST WANNA GO AND SMOKE AND JUST KEEP GOING. WHEN YOU'RE SOBER, YOU JUST FEEL DEPRESSED SO YOU JUST TRY GET HIGH TO NOT MAKE YOU FEEL DEPRESSED, I GUESS. LIKE, JUST TO GET OUT OF THE DAY-TO-DAY KIND OF FEELING. I KNOW THAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD BECAUSE, LIKE, GETTING HOOKED ON IT IS EASY, BUT GETTING OFF IT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT PART. NGAETU WAS JUST 16 WHEN SHE BECAME A MAMA. SHE WAS IN HER LAST YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL. OH, BECOMING A MUM WAS JUST... EVERYTHING JUST FELT LIKE YOU HAD TO GROW UP SO FAST, AND, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBILITY OF NOT JUST YOURSELF, BUT ANOTHER BAB` LIKE, ANOTHER HUMAN, KIND OF FEELING. NGAETU'S DAUGHTER WAS 3 YEARS OLD WHEN HER DRUG USE ESCALATED. I COULD JUST KINDA ESCAPE FROM REALITY AND JUST, YOU KNOW, GO INTO ANOTHER WORLD KINDA FEELING. I WOULD JUST END UP JUST GOING OUT AND THEN COME BACK ONE WEEK, AND THEN GO FOR` I'LL STAY FOR, LIKE, ONE OR TWO NIGHTS AND THEN GO AGAIN AND IT JUST ENDED UP GOING UP TO, LIKE, GOING, AND NOT COMING BACK FOR, LIKE, TWO MONTHS, AND THAT WAS THE LONGEST THAT I WAS AWAY FROM HER. IT'S NOT JUST HER DAUGHTER THAT SUFFERED. HER ADDICTION HAS TAKEN ITS TOLL ON HER RELATIONSHIP WITH HER BROTHER. I WAS YELLING AT HER, TRYING TO TALK TO HER. SHE WOULDN'T LISTEN, THEN I STARTED SCREAMING AT HER. JUST TRYING TO GET HER OFF IT. I TRIED TO SHOW HER THE GOOD` GOOD TIMES OR, LIKE, SHOW HER THE GOOD SIDE OF LIFE. THIS WEEK NGAETU APPEARED IN THE WAITAKERE DISTRICT COURT ON THEFT CHARGES, CRIMES SHE SAYS SHE COMMITTED TO PAY FOR HER HABIT. YOU'LL DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER JUST TO GET ANOTHER BAG, ANOTHER HIGH. I DIDN'T THINK IT'D GET TO THAT POINT. DOING BAD THINGS, UM, BEGGING FOR CHANGE. YOU KNOW, ANY LITTLE THING JUST TO GET A HIGH OR, LIKE, A FIX. BUT THE VIRAL VIDEO HAS BEEN A WAKE-UP CALL. ON THE DAY WE FILMED, NGAETU HAD BEEN SIX DAYS CLEAN. NOW, WHEN YOU'RE, LIKE, NOT IN IT, NOT ON IT, YOU REALISE THE BIGGER PICTURE, THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING INSTEAD OF TAKING RESPONSIBILITY AND ACTUALLY BEING A MUM. JUST, LIKE, KINDA JUST BLOCKING IT OFF AND JUST TRYING TO, I DON'T KNOW, ESCAPE FROM REALITY. FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, NGAETU'S DAUGHTER HAS BEEN MAINLY CARED FOR BY HER MOTHER AND HER STEP-DAD, ALONG WITH TUAKEU AND HIS PARTNER. HE SAYS HIS NIECE MISSES HER MUM. KILLS ME, EH? I TRY TO TELL` I'VE TRIED TELLING HER THAT, BUT THEN, WHEN SHE COMES HOME, THAT'S WHY WE ALL JUST LET THEM BE, AND THEN SHE'LL LEAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT I WON'T BE AWAKE WHEN SHE DOES, SO SHE LEAVES LATE AT NIGHT OR EARLY IN THE MORNING. UM, SHE EXPECTS TO WAKE UP WITH HER MUM NEXT TO HER. WHAT'S THAT LIKE? TO KNOW THAT YOUR PEPI WANTS YOU, BUT THE DRUGS CONTROL YOU. HARD. IT'S VERY HARD. SAD. IT HURTS THAT I CAN'T BE THERE FOR HER. UM, YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. IS SHE THE REASON YOU WANNA GET BETTER? DEFINITELY. YEAH. AFTER THREE YEARS ON SYNTHETICS, NGAETU IS NOW FOCUSED ON GETTING CLEAN AND GETTING BACK TO HER OLD SELF. COMING BACK TO REALITY AND BEING SOBER, IT'S GONNA BE A NEW SCENE FOR ME COS I'VE JUST FELT LIKE I'VE BEEN IN LA-LA LAND FOR SO LONG THAT IT'S TIME TO ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, BE GROUNDED ON EARTH AGAIN. HER DAD HEMI SAYS IT'S THE BREAKTHROUGH THEY'VE BEEN HOPING FOR, AND HE'S GRATEFUL TO HIS SON FOR HITTING THE 'POST' BUTTON. WE'RE SO PROUD OF THAT BOY. YEAH. GOOD ON HIM. I WISH MORE WHANAU THROUGHOUT THE MOTU, YOU KNOW, WOULD SAY TO THEIR WHANAU, 'ENOUGH.' AND IF I CAN'T STOP YOU, WELL, MAYBE SEEING YOUR UGLY FACE BEING PROMOTED AROUND THE WORLD, MAYBE THAT'LL STOP YOU. WHAT NGAETU'S WHANAU WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS DRUG ADDICTION DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE. EVEN LOVING, SUPPORTIVE WHANAU CAN BE AFFECTED. ALTHOUGH THE WHANAU KNOW THE ROAD TO RECOVERY MAY BE LONG, THEIR AROHA FOR NGAETU IS UNCONDITIONAL. PROUD OF HER. UM, YEAH, JUST HOPE THAT SHE DOES. I KNOW IT'LL TAKE TIME. YEAH, WE'LL SEE IN TIME HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT. (SNIFFLES) DO YOU STILL HAVE HER BACK? ALL DAY. I JUST, LIKE, THANK MY BROTHER, I GUESS, AND, YEAH, HIS WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT. MAKES ME HAPPY THAT I'VE GOT A BROTHER THAT REALLY CARES AND THAT WANTS TO SUPPORT ME AND HELP ME GET OFF THIS` GET OFF THE ADDICTIONS. NA RAIHA PAKI TERA PURONGO. SINCE THAT STORY WAS FILMED, NGAETU HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET INTO A RESIDENTIAL REHAB PROGRAMME, BUT HAS BEEN PUT ON A WAITING LIST. WE'LL LET YOU KNOW HOW SHE'S GOING. KEI TUA O NGA WHAKATAIRANGA, KO TE KAIARAHI TAKIRUA O TE PATI MAORI. MARAMA FOX IS IN THE HUI HOUSE NEXT. IT'S RAW AND IT'S REAL. A VIRAL VIDEO EXPOSING THE SHOCKING EFFECTS OF SYNTHETIC DRUGS. HOKI MAI ANO. IT'S OFFICIAL, CHILD YOUTH AND FAMILY IS NOW THE MINISTRY FOR VULNERABLE CHILDREN. 3,354 TAMARIKI MAORI ARE CURRENTLY WARDS OF THE STATE, AN INCREASE OF 8.1%. NO SURPRISE THEN THAT LATEST PRISON STATISTICS SHOW A SHARP INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF ADULT MAORI IN INCARCERATION. IT BEGS THE QUESTION WHY HASN'T THE MAORI PARTY'S PRESENCE AND POLICIES IN GOVERNMENT SUCCEEDED IN TURNING THESE STATS AROUND? AND, WHY ARE SEVERAL ESTEEMED MAORI LAND EXPERTS CALLING FOR A HALT TO THEIR MAORI LAND REFORM BILL? JOINING ME NOW IS MAORI PARTY CO-LEADER MARAMA FOX. KIA ORA. TENA KOE. TENA KOE, MIHI. ARE YOU GOING TO LISTEN TO THE COUNTRY'S EXPERTS IN MAORI LAND AND HALT THE BILL? UM, I SAW THE LETTER YESTERDAY THAT WAS DROPPED ON THE INTERNET, AND I WONDERED IF THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE SOP. TO BE FAIR, THE GUTS OF THAT LETTER HAS BEEN SINCE TO THE MAORI PARTY AND THEY HADN'T HAD A RESPONSE WAKATU THAT'S RIGHT, BUT THE INTERESTING PART ABOUT LETTER IS IT CAME BEFORE THE SOPS CAME OUT, WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT INTO THE TURE WHENUA, SO I WONDER IF IT'S ACTUALLY A RESPONSE TO WHAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE OR WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW. IS IT MORE POLITICAL THAN CRITICAL? I DO THINK WE NEED TO SPEAK WITH ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY SO I WILL BE MAKING CONTACT WITH THEM. SO, ARE YOU GOING TO HOLD THE BILL UP UNTIL YOU'VE SPOKEN TO THAT GROUP? IT'S NOT MY BILL. BUT IT'S YOUR PARTY'S. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT, WHAT TE URURO` ARE GOING TO ASK`? WHAT TE URUROA FLAVELL HAS DONE IS HE HAS RESPONDED TO EVERY SINGLE SUBMISSIONER WHO'S PUT THEIR CASE FORWARD, AND HE'S MADE CHANGES TO THE BILL BASED ON THOSE SUBMISSIONS, SO I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO GIVE IT A FAIR GO BY HAVING A LOOK AT WHAT THE CHANGED HAVE DONE TO IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN OVER IT CLAUSE BY CLAUSE, LINE BY LINE, AND IT IS ACTUALLY GOOD. AND I TOLD TE URUROA AT THE BEGINNING THAT IF I DIDN'T LIKE IT, I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT. I'M CONVINCED THAT IT'S GOOD AND I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT. SO THESE ARE THE EXPERTS OF LAND LAW IN THIS COUNTRY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THEY KNOW THAT THEIR LAND INSIDE AND OUT. I UNDER STAND THAT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. I SPOKE TO ONE YESTERDAY AND HER CONCERN IS AFTER THIS LETTER HAS BEEN SENT SO I THINK SHE PROBABLY HAS READ THOSE CHANGES AND IT'S STILL` WELL, THEY ONLY CAME OUT YESTERDAY SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY'RE ABEL TO DO THAT. FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND THIS LETTER WAS SENT IN THE AFTERNOON. BUT THE LETTER WAS IN RESPONSE TO SOMETHING THEY'D WRITTEN BEFORE SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT WITH THEM. OK, SO ARE YOU GOING TO SUGGEST TO YOUR CO-LEADER TE URUROA FLAVELL THAT HE HALTS THE BILL UNTIL THIS GROUP OF EXPERTS HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HIM. ALL THE WAY ALONG, TE URUROA HAS RESPONDED TO ALL OF THE SUBMITTERS WHO HAVE HAD CONCERNS. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE WILL DO THAT AGAIN WITH THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE. BEFORE THE BILL BECOMES AN ACT? UH, THERE IS A BIT OF A PROCESS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN YET. WE'VE GOT COMMITTEE STAGE, WE'VE GOT THE THIRD READING SO THERE IS ACTUALLY A BIT OF TIME IN ORDER TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. BEFORE WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE THIS BILL BECOMES AN ACT. ABSOLUTELY. COULD THIS BE THE MAORI PARTY'S FORESHORE AND SEABED? ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THAT? UM, NO I'M NOT. DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE I'M CONVINCED, HAVING GONE OVER IT LINE BY LINE AND CLAUSE BY CLAUSE, THAT IT IS ACTUALLY A BETTER PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THAT THE ENABLER'S PART OF THIS LOOKS AT NOT REMOVING MAORI LAND UNDER THE PUBLIC WORKS, UNDER LANDLOCKED LANDS, UNDER PAPER ROADS, THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO ADDRESSED NOW. A RATING ON WHENUA, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ENABLE OUR WHANAU TO UTILISE THEIR LAND,` BUT WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAORI LAND SERVICE IS. WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS, SO THIS IS THE CONCERN OF THESE PEOPLE. AND I GET THAT. THEY'RE SAYING THAT INDIVIDUAL LAND OWNERS, THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THE RISK IS JUST TOO HIGH. BUT THERE IS NOTHING IN THE BILL. LIKE, SHOW ME THE CLAUSE. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE BILL THAT PUTS MAORI LAND AT RISK. IN FACT, IT STRENGTHENS THE PLACE OF MAORI LAND AND THE OWNERSHIP OF MAORI LAND SO THAT IT'S HARDER TO ALIENATE MAORI LAND. SO, I'M SAYING TO THEM TO TELL ME WHICH CLAUSES, TELL ME WHICH PARTS. THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING FEELING, BUT IS THAT ABOUT BEING CRITICAL OR POLITICAL? AND I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE` OF COURSE IT IS. THERE IS NOT CLAUSE THAT EXPLAINS WHAT THE MAORI LAND SERVICE IS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE DOING THE JOB OF THE MAORI LAND COURT. YEAH, BUT MAORI LAND SERVICE IS SEPARATE FROM THE LAW. IT'S ABOUT REGULATION AND ADMINISTRATION. SO, YOU DON'T PUT THOSE THINGS INTO THE LAW, YOU PUT THEM INTO THE REGULATIONS. OK, QUICKLY MOVING ON. 8.3% MORE MAORI CHILDREN IN STATE CARE. 12.7% MORE MAORI KIDS IN SECURE UNITS, AND 56% OF THE PRISON POPULATION ARE NOW MAORI. WHY HAVEN'T YOU BEEN ABLE TO INFLUENCE THE GOVERNMENT IN THESE CHANGES AT THE TABLE, LIKE YOU SAY? DO YOU KNOW WHAT? IF I'M REALLY HONEST, I THINK THAT PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT SUFFERS FROM KNOW-IT-ALL-NESS. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE LISTENING. WE HAVE BEEN SITTING IN FRONT OF THEM FOR A LONG TIME TRYING TO GET THEM TO CHANGE THEIR MIND. IN FACT, WE DID MANAGE TO GET THE MINISTER TO MAKE A U-TURN ON THE LAW ABOUT PLACEMENT OF MAORI CHILDREN. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE ACTUALLY WORDING YET, BUT SHE'S AGREED THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO, WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE THAT INFLUENCE, BUT THEY DO SUFFER FROM KNOW-IT-ALL-NESS. I'M OVER` SO, WHY ARE YOU WITH THEM? WE'LL BE AT THE SEAT OF THE TABLE NO MATTER WHO'S THERE BECAUSE YOU WALK AWAY AND LET` WHAT'S THE POINT BEING AT THE SEAT AT THE TABLE WHEN OUR CHILDREN, THE INCREASE IS 8.3% MORE TAMARIKI MAORI IN CYFS CARE? THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S APPALLING. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S APPALLING. 56% OF THE PRISON POPULATION. WE USED TO SAY 51%. 71% OF THE YOUTH PRISON POPULATION ARE MAORI. THAT IS APPALLING STATISTICS, BUT THIS HASN'T HAPPENED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, THIS HAS BEEN ENDEMIC FOR 50 YEARS. SINCE THE '50S. BUT IT'S INCREASING. BUT IT'S INTERGENERATIONAL. WHEN YOU TAKE CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND PUT THEM INTO STATE CARE WHERE THEY ARE ABUSED, AND THEN THEY COME OUT AND THAT ABUSE CONTINUES INTERGENERATIONALLY, OF COURSE WE HAVE THAT PICTURE. WE'VE NOT DONE ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY, IN THE SYSTEM, TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. WE HAVE TO HAVE A ROYAL COMMISSION ON INQUIRY TO LOOK INTO IT SO WE CAN LEARN WHAT'S WRONG AND HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION. VULNERABLE CHILDREN? IT'S JUST A BIT OF FACE PAINT, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. WE'VE TRIED AND TRIED WITH THIS MINISTER, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SHE IS LISTENING. SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE MAORI PARTY BEING AT THE TABLE AND HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY AS FOR MAORI TO VOTE FOR YOU WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO PROP UP THE GOVERNMENT THAT CREATES THIS? LOOK, I'M NOT ASKING THE PUBLIC TO VOTE FOR US SO THAT WE CAN PROP UP NATIONAL. I COULD CARE LESS WHETHER IT WAS NATIONAL OR LABOUR. THIS ENDEMIC PROBLEM HAS HAPPENED OVER NUMEROUS GOVERNMENTS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN IN POWER, RED AND BLUE, FOR AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. AND UNDER YOUR WATCH TOO. WELL, I GET THAT, BUT WE'RE HERE TO TRY AND MAKE A CHANGE. AND WE CAN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE IF WE DON'T HOLD THE BALANCE OF POWER SO, HERE'S THE THING. IF WE CAN HOLD THE BALANCE OF POWER AND HAVE 10 SEATS, 15 SEATS, AND GROW THAT FAITH IN OURSELVES, THEN THEY CAN NO LONGER DICTATE TO US. WE WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD THEM TO ACCOUNT OVER EVERYTHING. KIA ORA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME IN COMING IN THIS MORING. TENA KOE. KIA MAU TONU MAI RA E TE IWI, INANGETO NEI KA KORERO AHAU KI TE KAIARAHI O MANA. HONE HARAWIRA IS HERE NEXT IT'S RAW AND IT'S REAL. A VIRAL VIDEO EXPOSING THE SHOCKING EFFECTS OF SYNTHETIC DRUGS. TAHUTI MAI ANO. WELL, FORMER PRIME MINISTER HELEN CLARKE CALLED HIM A HATER AND A WRECKER, BUT HE'D PROBABLY PREFER TO THINK OF HIMSELF AS A LOVER AND A FIGHTER. BUT IT'S ANYONE'S GUESS HOW THE MAORI PARTY FEELS ABOUT HONE HARAWIRA THIS WEEK AFTER HE TOOK AIM AT THE MAORI PARTY'S LAND REFORM BILL THE MANA PARTY LEADER RECENTLY SIGNED A DEAL TO PLAY NICE WITH HIS OLD FOE TE URUROA FLAVELL, BUT THAT HASN'T STOPPED HIM FROM CALLING FLAVELL'S BILL A POISONOUS CANCER THAT NEEDS TO BE THROWN OUT. HERE TO TELL US WHY IS HONE HARAWIRA. TENA KOE. KIA ORA. KIA ORA, MIHI. UH, THIS WEEK YOU DID TEST YOUR FRIENDSHIP WITH YOUR OLD MATE TE URUROA FLAVELL YOU CALLED HIS LAND BILL A POISONOUS CANCER. WHAT DID HE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT? LOOK, FIRST OF ALL I JUST THINK WE NEED A BIT OF CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE MANA-MAORI RELATIONSHIP. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO. EH? YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A GO. OK. WE GOT INTO THIS BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT FROM THE LAST ELECTION, MANA STANDING AGAINST THE MAORI PARTY, ALL THAT LED TO WAS THE PEOPLE WHO STOLE OUR FORESHORE AND SEABED STEALING OUR SEATS AS WELL, MAORI SEATS. SO, WE GOT INTO AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE WE WOULDN'T STAND AGAINST ONE ANOTHER SO WE COULD WIN ALL THOSE SEATS BACK TO KAUPAPA MAORI PARTIES. THAT'S WHY WE DID IT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TO AGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER. UH, AND IN FACT` SO HE'S OK WITH YOU SAYING POISONOUS CANCER? NO, NO. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF THE MAORI PARTY WANTS TO PROMOTE TE TURE WHENUA MAORI BILL AND WE WANT TO OPPOSE IT, THAT'S OK. IF MANA WANTS TO PROMOTE MAORI BEING COMPULSORY IN SCHOOLS, AND THE MAORI PARTY DOESN'T WANNA PROMOTE THAT, THAT'S OK. OK. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE AND PROMOTE OUR OWN POLICIES AND CRITICISE ONE ANOTHER'S POLICIES AS LONG AS THAT CRITICISM DOESN'T SLIP ACROSS INTO ATTACKS ON THE PERSONALITIES. SO YOU DID DO THAT THIS WEEK, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE OPEN LETTER THAT'S BEEN SENT TO THE GOVERNMENT WARNING THEM NOT TO PASS THIS BILL. IN TERMS OF THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION, WHICH IS SOON TO BECOME AN ACT ` THE LAW ` WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? IF WE GO BACK TO THAT LETTER FROM THOSE MAORI ACADEMICS, FROM THOSE LAWYERS, FROM` ALL OF THE LAND COURT JUDGES ARE OPPOSED TO IT AS WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THE MAORI WOMEN'S WELFARE LEAGUE SI TAKING IT ALL THE WAY TO THE UNITED NATIONS. I THINK TE URUROA NEEDS TO STAND BACK AND SAY, 'THIS ISN'T WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. 'I THINK MAYBE I SHOULD JUST TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE ALTOGETHER.' IT'S NOT WORKING. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WANTING TO SUPPORT THIS BILL. IT'S A BILL TARGETED AT MAORI LAND ALIENATION, NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF MAORI LAND PROTECTION. WHEN YOU CALL IT A POISONOUS PIECE OF CANCER, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? YOU WANT THE WHOLE THING GONE, DON'T YOU? (SIGHS) UM, WELL, YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH CANCER JUST BY GIVING SOMEBODY A PILL. YOU'VE GOT TO CUT IT OUT. YOU GOTTA GET RID OF IT. WHEN WHINA COOPER LED THE GREAT MAORI LAND MARCH, THE SLOGAN WAS 'NOT ONE ACRE MORE'. IF THIS BILL GOES THROUGH, THE NEW SLOGAN WILL BE 'NOT ONE ACRE LEFT.' I MEAN, IF YOUR GRANDDAD HAS 66 ACRES, MIHI, AND ALL MAORI KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND OVER THE YEARS, SOMEBODY HAD STOLEN THE LOT AND JUST LEFT YOU THREE, WOULD YOU WANNA CHANGE THE LAW SO THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD GET THE OTHER THREE? OK, WELL, LET'S GO WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MAORI PARTY AND THE MAORI PARTY, YOU HEARD WHAT MARAMA SAID, SHE SAID THAT SHE THINKS THE CHANGES, THE AMENDMENTS THAT THEY ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY MAKE THE BILL A GOOD ONE SO THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PASS IT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOUR VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE TOLD TO VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE IN THEIR ROHE, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S WAIKATO-HAURAKI, IT WILL BE RAHUI PAPA, HE'LL GET INTO PARLIAMENT AND HE'S GOING TO PROP UP THIS LAW THAT YOU SAY IS CANCEROUS. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? ISN'T THAT HYPOCRITICAL? IT'S NOT HYPOCRITICAL AT ALL. IN FACT, I WROTE TO THE MAORI PARTY TO LET THEM KNOW THAT I WOULD FIND IT INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT ` IN FACT IMPOSSIBLE ` TO SAY TO MANA PARTY MEMBERS, 'I EXPECT YOU TO VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE,' IF THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BILL. THIS BILL IS SO MUCH DISLIKED. BUT THEY'RE ALL GOING TO SUPPORT IT. THIS BILL IS SO MUCH DISLIKED BY MAORI PEOPLE RIGHT AROUND THE COUNTRY, DARE I SAY IT, EVEN BY MAORI PARTY MEMBERS, IT SHOULD BE STOPPED IN ITS TRACKS AND SET ASIDE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO NOT ENCOURAGE YOUR MEMBER FROM THE MANA PARTY`? I HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT IN TERMS OF THE TURE WHENUA MAORI BILL, IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT, I WOULD FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY TO MANA MEMBERS THAT YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THEM. IT'S A CHOICE THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO MAKE ANYWAY, BUT I'D FIND IT INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO SAY TO THEM, 'VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE THAT'S GOING TO PROMOTE THE BILL 'THAT'S GOING TO SEE THE LOSS OF THE REST OF OUR MAORI LAND.' I DON'T SUPPORT THE BILL. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF YOUR DEAL WITH THE MAORI PARTY THEN? YOU'LL GET IN IN TE TAI TOKERAU COS THEY'RE NOT GONNA STAND. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THE ARRANGEMENT ISN'T ABOUT LOVING ONE ANOTHER'S POLICIES. IT'S ABOUT NOT STANDING` IT'S ABOUT GETTING SEVEN PEOPLE INTO PARLIAMENT. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S ABOUT NOT STANDING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. AND IF MANA VOTERS DON'T VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE IN THOSE SEATS, HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET THROUGH? LOOK, WELL, IF THEY` WELL, EASY. IF THEY WERE TO FOLLOW REALLY COOL POLICIES LIKE WHAT MANA'S GOT, WHICH IS MAORI LAND PROTECTION, NOT MAORI LAND ALIENATION, THAT'S GOT A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF GETTING INTO PARLIAMENT. BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN'T MAKE THEM WRITE THEIR POLICIES. THEY HAVE TO PROMOTE THE POLICIES THEY THINK ARE IMPORTANT. CLASSIC EXAMPLE ` MANA HAS A POLICY OF COMPULSORY MAORI LANGUAGE IN SCHOOL. THAT'S OUR BUSINESS. THE MAORI PARTY DOESN'T HAVE THAT POLICY. THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS. SO, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. THAT'S LIFE. WHAT WOULD BE SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT YOU THINK THAT THE MANA VOTERS WOULD SUPPORT? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE CHANGES IN WITH THE MAORI PARTY? I THINK STRENGTHENING MAORI LAND PROTECTION IS THE FIRST THING. NUMBER TWO, ENSURING MAORI WAS COMPULSORY IN SCHOOLS. THREE, THROWING OUT THIS, UH` WHAT'S IT CALLED? ORANGA TAMARIKI ACT? I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T EVEN SAY` THAT'S NOT A TRANSLATION OF 'MINISTRY OF VULNERABLE CHILDREN.' I MEAN, THAT'S 'TE TARI O NGA TAMARIKI WHAKARAERAE'. BUT THEY DON'T WANNA SAY THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL IT 'ORANGA TAMARIKI,' WHICH IS AN INSULT TO WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING TO OUR CHILDREN. OK, SO BASED ON THOSE THREE THINGS THAT YOU WANT` OH, NO. NO, PLEASE. IT;S ONLY BECAUSE WE'VE JUST GOT A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF REALLY INTELLIGENT THINGS. OK, BUT BASED ON THE COUPLE OF THINGS THAT YOU'VE THROWN UP IN THE AIR, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MAORI PARTY IS IN BIG TROUBLE. NO, IT'S NOT. I MEAN,I GOT A TEXT FROM TE URUROA THE OTHER DAY AND HE FOLLOWED IT UP WITH A COMMENT ON THE RADIO. HE'S LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING A SIT DOWN WITH ME TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HE THINKS ARE IMPORTANT. MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT. KA PAI. KA PAI. KIA ORA. TENA KOE. NO REIRA. NEXT WEEK A VERY SPECIAL EPISODE OF THE HUI, WE DEDICATE OUR PROGRAMME TO A GROUP OF MEN WE ARE CALLING NGA MOREHU, THE SURVIVORS. (DRAMATIC MUSIC) MORE THAN 100,000 CHILDREN WERE REMOVED FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND PLACE IN STATE CARE FACILITIES BETWEEN THE 1950S AND THE 1980S. YEAH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE WORST TIMES OF MY LIFE. KOHE TERE. YEAH. WORSE THAN JAIL? WORSE THAN JAIL. MANY WERE SUBJECTED TO MENTAL, PHYSICAL AND SEXUAL ABUSE. WHAT DID YOU SEE? (EXHALES) A 9-YEAR-OLD BOY BEING HELD DOWN AND SODOMISED BY GROWN MEN. THEY TOOK ME INTO THE SHOWERS AND, UH, YEAH, ABUSED ME. UM, FOR A LONG TIME. AND IT SEEMED LIKE ALL NIGHT. THE GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO HOLD AN INQUIRY. I HAD HORRIFIC, INHUMANE SHIT DONE TO ME. PEOPLE KNEW THIS WAS HAPPENING. THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT WE'RE TOO FAST TO BURY THINGS. AN INQUIRY INTO THE SYSTEMIC ABUSE OF THIS COUNTRY? I THINK IT'S WELL OVERDUE, MYSELF. FOR THE FIRST TIME, FOUR FORMER WARDS OF THE STATE COME TOGETHER TO SHARE THEIR STORY. THE MORE THAN I WAS INSTITUTIONALISED, THE HARDER I BECAME. BY THE TIME I GOT TO JAIL, I'D LEARNED HOW TO FIGHT PROPERLY. I'D LEARNED ALL OF THE STUFF THAT THEY LEARNED IN JAIL, AND I BROUGHT IT ALL TOGETHER, AND I DISHED IT OUT TO WHOEVER WAS IN FRONT OF ME. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU JOIN US FOR THAT SPECIAL BROADCAST. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY, HUI HOPPERS. WE'LL POST LINKS TO THE SHOW ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE AND ON TWITTER @THEHUINZ, AND YOU'LL FIND ALL OUR STORIES ON THE NEWSHUB WEBSITE. KUA HIKINA TE HUI MO TENEI RA. THE NATION'S NEXT. PAI MARIRE KI A TATOU KATOA.