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Allegations of civilian casualties have Operation Burnham. Allegations of civilian casualties have not, civilian casualties have not, however, civilian casualties have not, however, been civilian casualties have not, however, been substantiated. civilian casualties have not, however, been substantiated. This however, been substantiated. This has however, been substantiated. This has been however, been substantiated. This has been on however, been substantiated. This has been on the however, been substantiated. This has been on the public however, been substantiated. This has been on the public record however, been substantiated. This has been on the public record since has been on the public record since 2010. has been on the public record since 2010. Supplementary has been on the public record since 2010. Supplementary question. has been on the public record since 2010. Supplementary question. Did 2010. Supplementary question. Did the 2010. Supplementary question. Did the PM 2010. 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Did the PM personally authorise the PM personally authorise individual the PM personally authorise individual operations the PM personally authorise individual operations in the PM personally authorise individual operations in Afghanistan individual operations in Afghanistan and individual operations in Afghanistan and if individual operations in Afghanistan and if not individual operations in Afghanistan and if not why individual operations in Afghanistan and if not why did individual operations in Afghanistan and if not why did his individual operations in Afghanistan and if not why did his predecessor and if not why did his predecessor need and if not why did his predecessor need to and if not why did his predecessor need to personally and if not why did his predecessor need to personally authorise need to personally authorise Operation need to personally authorise and need to personally authorise Operation Burnham? The need to personally authorise Operation Burnham? 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It to the care and support they need. It was to the care and support they need. It was fantastic to the care and support they need. It was fantastic to to the care and support they need. It was fantastic to attend to the care and support they need. 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I absolutely agree with those who say resourced? I absolutely agree with those who say the resourced? I absolutely agree with those who say the new resourced? I absolutely agree with those who say the new ministry resourced? I absolutely agree with those who say the new ministry needs those who say the new ministry needs to those who say the new ministry needs to be those who say the new ministry needs to be properly those who say the new ministry needs to be properly resourced, those who say the new ministry needs to be properly resourced, and those who say the new ministry needs to be properly resourced, and that to be properly resourced, and that social to be properly resourced, and that social workers to be properly resourced, and that social workers need to be properly resourced, and that social workers need support to be properly resourced, and that social workers need support in to be properly resourced, and that social workers need support in order social workers need support in order to social workers need support in order to deliver social workers need support in order to deliver the social workers need support in order to deliver the best social workers need support in order to deliver the best for social workers need support in order to deliver the best for these social workers need support in order to deliver the best for these kids. to deliver the best for these kids. That's to deliver the best for these kids. That's why to deliver the best for these kids. That's why Budget to deliver the best for these kids. That's why Budget 2016 to deliver the best for these kids. That's why Budget 2016 invested to deliver the best for these kids. That's why Budget 2016 invested $347 That's why Budget 2016 invested $347 million That's why Budget 2016 invested $347 million to That's why Budget 2016 invested $347 million to fund That's why Budget 2016 invested $347 million to fund the That's why Budget 2016 invested $347 million to fund the transformation million to fund the transformation process million to fund the transformation million million to fund the transformation process and to million to fund the transformation process and to address million to fund the transformation process and to address cost process and to address cost pressures process and to address cost process process and to address cost pressures within the process and to address cost pressures within the system. process and to address cost pressures within the system. We process and to address cost pressures within the system. We are pressures within the system. We are implementing pressures within the system. We are process pressures within the system. We are implementing changes to pressures within the system. We are implementing changes to the pressures within the system. We are implementing changes to the way pressures within the system. 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We've care to a young person's 18th birthday. We've mandated care to a young person's 18th birthday. We've mandated that birthday. We've mandated that children birthday. We've mandated that children and birthday. We've mandated that children and young birthday. We've mandated that children and young people's birthday. 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We've development of services and policy. We've also development of services and policy. We've also supported development of services and policy. We've also supported the We've also supported the establishment We've also supported the establishment of We've also supported the establishment of an We've also supported the establishment of an independent establishment of an independent youth establishment of an independent youth advocacy establishment of an independent youth advocacy service, establishment of an independent youth advocacy service, and establishment of an independent youth advocacy service, and more youth advocacy service, and more changes youth advocacy service, and more changes are youth advocacy service, and more changes are on youth advocacy service, and more changes are on the youth advocacy service, and more changes are on the way youth advocacy service, and more changes are on the way to youth advocacy service, and more changes are on the way to allow changes are on the way to allow young changes are on the way to allow young people changes are on the way to allow young people to changes are on the way to allow young people to remain changes are on the way to allow young people to remain in changes are on the way to allow young people to remain in care changes are on the way to allow young people to remain in care until young people to remain in care until the young people to remain in care until the age young people to remain in care until the age of young people to remain in care until the age of 21, young people to remain in care until the age of 21, and young people to remain in care until the age of 21, and receive young people to remain in care until the age of 21, and receive support the age of 21, and receive support until the age of 21, and receive support until they the age of 21, and receive support until they are the age of 21, and receive support until they are 25, the age of 21, and receive support until they are 25, which the age of 21, and receive support until they are 25, which will until they are 25, which will greatly until they are 25, which will greatly help until they are 25, which will greatly help their until they are 25, which will greatly help their transition until they are 25, which will greatly help their transition into greatly help their transition into adulthood. greatly help their transition into adulthood. Question greatly help their transition into adulthood. Question No. greatly help their transition into adulthood. Question No. 5. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Building My question is to the Minister for Building and My question is to the Minister for Building and Construction: My question is to the Minister for Building and Construction: Does for Building and Construction: Does he for Building and Construction: Does he stand for Building and Construction: Does he stand by for Building and Construction: Does he stand by his for Building and Construction: Does he stand by his statement, he stand by his statement, "Whenever he stand by his statement, "Whenever people he stand by his statement, "Whenever people make he stand by his statement, "Whenever people make that he stand by his statement, "Whenever people make that first "Whenever people make that first decision "Whenever people make that first decision to "Whenever people make that first decision to get "Whenever people make that first decision to get into "Whenever people make that first decision to get into a "Whenever people make that first decision to get into a first "Whenever people make that first decision to get into a first home, decision to get into a first home, it decision to get into a first home, it is decision to get into a first home, it is always decision to get into a first home, it is always going decision to get into a first home, it is always going to decision to get into a first home, it is always going to be it is always going to be a it is always going to be a stretch it is always going to be a stretch and it is always going to be a stretch and difficult. a stretch and difficult. I a stretch and difficult. I think a stretch and difficult. I think there a stretch and difficult. I think there is a stretch and difficult. I think there is an a stretch and difficult. I think there is an element a stretch and difficult. I think there is an element that I think there is an element that people I think there is an element that people need I think there is an element that people need to I think there is an element that people need to be I think there is an element that people need to be realistic people need to be realistic and people need to be realistic and that people need to be realistic and that is people need to be realistic and that is that people need to be realistic and that is that your people need to be realistic and that is that your first people need to be realistic and that is that your first home and that is that your first home is and that is that your first home is not and that is that your first home is not going and that is that your first home is not going to and that is that your first home is not going to be and that is that your first home is not going to be one and that is that your first home is not going to be one in and that is that your first home is not going to be one in the and that is that your first home is not going to be one in the leafy is not going to be one in the leafy suburbs is not going to be one in the leafy suburbs of is not going to be one in the leafy suburbs of Remuera is not going to be one in the leafy suburbs of Remuera close suburbs of Remuera close to suburbs of Remuera close to the suburbs of Remuera close to the central suburbs of Remuera close to the central city"? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr Nick The Hon Dr Nick Smith. The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. And The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. And I The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. And I note The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. And I note through The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. And I note through the The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. And I note through the Home The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. And I note through the Home Start The Hon Dr Nick Smith. Yes. And I note through the Home Start grants note through the Home Start grants at note through the Home Start grants at the note through the Home Start grants at the time note through the Home Start grants at the time of note through the Home Start grants at the time of that note through the Home Start grants at the time of that quote note through the Home Start grants at the time of that quote two note through the Home Start grants at the time of that quote two years at the time of that quote two years ago at the time of that quote two years ago we at the time of that quote two years ago we have at the time of that quote two years ago we have helped at the time of that quote two years ago we have helped over at the time of that quote two years ago we have helped over 27,000 at the time of that quote two years ago we have helped over 27,000 first ago we have helped over 27,000 first home ago we have helped over 27,000 first home buyers ago we have helped over 27,000 first home buyers into ago we have helped over 27,000 first home buyers into their ago we have helped over 27,000 first home buyers into their first ago we have helped over 27,000 first home buyers into their first home, home buyers into their first home, with home buyers into their first home, with grants home buyers into their first home, with grants topping home buyers into their first home, with grants topping $120 home buyers into their first home, with grants topping $120 million, with grants topping $120 million, the with grants topping $120 million, the most with grants topping $120 million, the most generous with grants topping $120 million, the most generous help with grants topping $120 million, the most generous help a with grants topping $120 million, the most generous help a government the most generous help a government has the most generous help a government has given the most generous help a government has given to the most generous help a government has given to first the most generous help a government has given to first homeowners the most generous help a government has given to first homeowners in has given to first homeowners in generations. has given to first homeowners in generations. Did has given to first homeowners in generations. Did he has given to first homeowners in generations. Did he say has given to first homeowners in generations. Did he say that has given to first homeowners in generations. Did he say that of has given to first homeowners in generations. Did he say that of the generations. Did he say that of the 90,000 generations. Did he say that of the 90,000 first generations. Did he say that of the 90,000 first home generations. Did he say that of the 90,000 first home buyers generations. Did he say that of the 90,000 first home buyers that generations. Did he say that of the 90,000 first home buyers that he 90,000 first home buyers that he promised 90,000 first home buyers that he promised a 90,000 first home buyers that he promised a first 90,000 first home buyers that he promised a first home 90,000 first home buyers that he promised a first home under 90,000 first home buyers that he promised a first home under his 90,000 first home buyers that he promised a first home under his Home promised a first home under his Home Start promised a first home under his Home Start Package, promised a first home under his Home Start Package, only promised a first home under his Home Start Package, only 26,000 promised a first home under his Home Start Package, only 26,000 are Start Package, only 26,000 are actually Start Package, only 26,000 are actually living Start Package, only 26,000 are actually living in Start Package, only 26,000 are actually living in their Start Package, only 26,000 are actually living in their first Start Package, only 26,000 are actually living in their first homes actually living in their first homes two actually living in their first homes two years actually living in their first homes two years later? actually living in their first homes two years later? And actually living in their first homes two years later? And was actually living in their first homes two years later? And was it two years later? And was it deliberate two years later? And was it deliberate that two years later? And was it deliberate that that two years later? And was it deliberate that that package two years later? And was it deliberate that that package was deliberate that that package was announced deliberate that that package was announced on deliberate that that package was announced on 1 deliberate that that package was announced on 1 April? deliberate that that package was announced on 1 April? The deliberate that that package was announced on 1 April? The Home deliberate that that package was announced on 1 April? The Home Start announced on 1 April? The Home Start Scheme announced on 1 April? The Home Start Scheme that announced on 1 April? The Home Start Scheme that the announced on 1 April? The Home Start Scheme that the Government announced on 1 April? The Home Start Scheme that the Government started Scheme that the Government started on Scheme that the Government started on 1 Scheme that the Government started on 1 April Scheme that the Government started on 1 April 2015 Scheme that the Government started on 1 April 2015 is Scheme that the Government started on 1 April 2015 is growing Scheme that the Government started on 1 April 2015 is growing in on 1 April 2015 is growing in success. on 1 April 2015 is growing in success. <INTERRUPTION> success. <INTERRUPTION> 90,000 success. <INTERRUPTION> 90,000 over success. <INTERRUPTION> 90,000 over five success. <INTERRUPTION> 90,000 over five years, success. <INTERRUPTION> 90,000 over five years, Phil. success. <INTERRUPTION> 90,000 over five years, Phil. And success. <INTERRUPTION> 90,000 over five years, Phil. And we 90,000 over five years, Phil. And we have 90,000 over five years, Phil. And we have 27,000 90,000 over five years, Phil. And we have 27,000 - 90,000 over five years, Phil. And we have 27,000 - 27,000 90,000 over five years, Phil. And we have 27,000 - 27,000 people 90,000 over five years, Phil. 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Has he seen report their circumstances. Has he seen report that their circumstances. Has he seen report that is their circumstances. Has he seen report that is his their circumstances. Has he seen report that is his claimed their circumstances. Has he seen report that is his claimed Auckland report that is his claimed Auckland house-building report that is his claimed Auckland house-building boom report that is his claimed Auckland house-building boom resulted report that is his claimed Auckland house-building boom resulted in house-building boom resulted in about house-building boom resulted in about 8,000 house-building boom resulted in about 8,000 houses house-building boom resulted in about 8,000 houses being house-building boom resulted in about 8,000 houses being built house-building boom resulted in about 8,000 houses being built last about 8,000 houses being built last year about 8,000 houses being built last year when about 8,000 houses being built last year when the about 8,000 houses being built last year when the city about 8,000 houses being built last year when the city needs about 8,000 houses being built last year when the city needs 13,000 about 8,000 houses being built last year when the city needs 13,000 a year when the city needs 13,000 a year year when the city needs 13,000 a year just year when the city needs 13,000 a year just to year when the city needs 13,000 a year just to keep year when the city needs 13,000 a year just to keep up year when the city needs 13,000 a year just to keep up with year just to keep up with population, year just to keep up with population, adding year just to keep up with population, adding to year just to keep up with population, adding to the population, adding to the 40,000-home population, adding to the 40,000-home deficit population, adding to the 40,000-home deficit built population, adding to the 40,000-home deficit built under population, adding to the 40,000-home deficit built under his 40,000-home deficit built under his watch? 40,000-home deficit built under his watch? And, 40,000-home deficit built under his watch? And, if 40,000-home deficit built under his watch? And, if so, 40,000-home deficit built under his watch? And, if so, does 40,000-home deficit built under his watch? And, if so, does he 40,000-home deficit built under his watch? And, if so, does he still watch? And, if so, does he still think watch? And, if so, does he still think that watch? And, if so, does he still think that his watch? And, if so, does he still think that his time watch? And, if so, does he still think that his time as watch? And, if so, does he still think that his time as Minister watch? And, if so, does he still think that his time as Minister has think that his time as Minister has been think that his time as Minister has been successful? think that his time as Minister has been successful? When think that his time as Minister has been successful? When I think that his time as Minister has been successful? When I became been successful? 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That is phenomenal building 10,000 a year. That is phenomenal growth. building 10,000 a year. That is phenomenal growth. And building 10,000 a year. That is phenomenal growth. And there building 10,000 a year. That is phenomenal growth. And there is phenomenal growth. And there is actually phenomenal growth. And there is actually no phenomenal growth. And there is actually no 4-year phenomenal growth. And there is actually no 4-year period phenomenal growth. And there is actually no 4-year period in phenomenal growth. And there is actually no 4-year period in which actually no 4-year period in which there actually no 4-year period in which there has actually no 4-year period in which there has been actually no 4-year period in which there has been strong actually no 4-year period in which there has been strong and actually no 4-year period in which there has been strong and consistent there has been strong and consistent growth there has been strong and consistent growth in there has been strong and consistent growth in building there has been strong and consistent growth in building in there has been strong and consistent growth in building in Auckland there has been strong and consistent growth in building in Auckland than growth in building in Auckland than over growth in building in Auckland than over the growth in building in Auckland than over the last growth in building in Auckland than over the last four growth in building in Auckland than over the last four years. growth in building in Auckland than over the last four years. Can growth in building in Auckland than over the last four years. Can the over the last four years. Can the Minister over the last four years. Can the Minister also over the last four years. Can the Minister also confirm over the last four years. Can the Minister also confirm that over the last four years. Can the Minister also confirm that when over the last four years. Can the Minister also confirm that when he Minister also confirm that when he became Minister also confirm that when he became Minister, Minister also confirm that when he became Minister, Auckland, Minister also confirm that when he became Minister, Auckland, and became Minister, Auckland, and indeed became Minister, Auckland, and indeed New became Minister, Auckland, and indeed New Zealand, became Minister, Auckland, and indeed New Zealand, were became Minister, Auckland, and indeed New Zealand, were at became Minister, Auckland, and indeed New Zealand, were at a indeed New Zealand, were at a 40-year indeed New Zealand, were at a 40-year low? indeed New Zealand, were at a 40-year low? No. indeed New Zealand, were at a 40-year low? No. The indeed New Zealand, were at a 40-year low? No. The actual indeed New Zealand, were at a 40-year low? No. The actual lowest 40-year low? No. The actual lowest number 40-year low? No. The actual lowest number of 40-year low? No. The actual lowest number of building 40-year low? No. The actual lowest number of building consents 40-year low? 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And which house prices had doubled and the economy had collapsed. And that the economy had collapsed. And that just the economy had collapsed. And that just reinforces the economy had collapsed. And that just reinforces the the economy had collapsed. And that just reinforces the challenge the economy had collapsed. And that just reinforces the challenge that just reinforces the challenge that myself just reinforces the challenge that myself and just reinforces the challenge that myself and colleagues just reinforces the challenge that myself and colleagues on just reinforces the challenge that myself and colleagues on this just reinforces the challenge that myself and colleagues on this side myself and colleagues on this side of myself and colleagues on this side of the myself and colleagues on this side of the House myself and colleagues on this side of the House had myself and colleagues on this side of the House had to myself and colleagues on this side of the House had to pick myself and colleagues on this side of the House had to pick up myself and colleagues on this side of the House had to pick up on myself and colleagues on this side of the House had to pick up on from of the House had to pick up on from 2009. of the House had to pick up on from 2009. How of the House had to pick up on from 2009. How much of the House had to pick up on from 2009. How much longer of the House had to pick up on from 2009. How much longer should of the House had to pick up on from 2009. How much longer should first 2009. How much longer should first home 2009. How much longer should first home buyers 2009. How much longer should first home buyers be 2009. How much longer should first home buyers be patient, 2009. How much longer should first home buyers be patient, given 2009. How much longer should first home buyers be patient, given that home buyers be patient, given that under home buyers be patient, given that under National home buyers be patient, given that under National the home buyers be patient, given that under National the average home buyers be patient, given that under National the average Auckland under National the average Auckland house under National the average Auckland house price under National the average Auckland house price has under National the average Auckland house price has doubled under National the average Auckland house price has doubled and house price has doubled and homeownership house price has doubled and homeownership for house price has doubled and homeownership for people house price has doubled and homeownership for people under house price has doubled and homeownership for people under 40 homeownership for people under 40 has homeownership for people under 40 has dropped homeownership for people under 40 has dropped to homeownership for people under 40 has dropped to 25%? homeownership for people under 40 has dropped to 25%? 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If you take the Massi Affordability If you take the Massi Affordability Index If you take the Massi Affordability Index it If you take the Massi Affordability Index it shows If you take the Massi Affordability Index it shows improvements If you take the Massi Affordability Index it shows improvements in Index it shows improvements in housing Index it shows improvements in housing affordability Index it shows improvements in housing affordability over Index it shows improvements in housing affordability over the Index it shows improvements in housing affordability over the last housing affordability over the last 12 housing affordability over the last 12 months. housing affordability over the last 12 months. And housing affordability over the last 12 months. And Reserve housing affordability over the last 12 months. And Reserve Bank housing affordability over the last 12 months. And Reserve Bank data 12 months. And Reserve Bank data last 12 months. And Reserve Bank data last week 12 months. And Reserve Bank data last week that 12 months. And Reserve Bank data last week that shows 12 months. And Reserve Bank data last week that shows lending 12 months. And Reserve Bank data last week that shows lending for last week that shows lending for investors last week that shows lending for investors had last week that shows lending for investors had dropped last week that shows lending for investors had dropped and last week that shows lending for investors had dropped and lending investors had dropped and lending for investors had dropped and lending for first investors had dropped and lending for first home investors had dropped and lending for first home buyers investors had dropped and lending for first home buyers and investors had dropped and lending for first home buyers and other for first home buyers and other owner-occupiers for first home buyers and other owner-occupiers has for first home buyers and other owner-occupiers has increased owner-occupiers has increased substantially owner-occupiers has increased substantially over owner-occupiers has increased substantially over the owner-occupiers has increased substantially over the last owner-occupiers has increased substantially over the last 12 substantially over the last 12 months. substantially over the last 12 months. Can substantially over the last 12 months. Can the substantially over the last 12 months. Can the Minister substantially over the last 12 months. Can the Minister confirm months. Can the Minister confirm that months. Can the Minister confirm that on months. Can the Minister confirm that on an months. Can the Minister confirm that on an annual months. Can the Minister confirm that on an annual basis, months. Can the Minister confirm that on an annual basis, when months. Can the Minister confirm that on an annual basis, when he that on an annual basis, when he came that on an annual basis, when he came in that on an annual basis, when he came in to that on an annual basis, when he came in to being that on an annual basis, when he came in to being Minister, that on an annual basis, when he came in to being Minister, New came in to being Minister, New Zealand came in to being Minister, New Zealand was came in to being Minister, New Zealand was at came in to being Minister, New Zealand was at a came in to being Minister, New Zealand was at a 40-year came in to being Minister, New Zealand was at a 40-year low came in to being Minister, New Zealand was at a 40-year low in came in to being Minister, New Zealand was at a 40-year low in home Zealand was at a 40-year low in home building Zealand was at a 40-year low in home building consents? Zealand was at a 40-year low in home building consents? When Zealand was at a 40-year low in home building consents? When I Zealand was at a 40-year low in home building consents? When I became building consents? When I became Minister, building consents? When I became Minister, nationally building consents? When I became Minister, nationally we building consents? When I became Minister, nationally we were Minister, nationally we were building Minister, nationally we were building 13,000 Minister, nationally we were building 13,000 homes Minister, nationally we were building 13,000 homes per Minister, nationally we were building 13,000 homes per year. Minister, nationally we were building 13,000 homes per year. The building 13,000 homes per year. The latest building 13,000 homes per year. The latest data building 13,000 homes per year. The latest data is building 13,000 homes per year. The latest data is that building 13,000 homes per year. The latest data is that we building 13,000 homes per year. The latest data is that we are building 13,000 homes per year. The latest data is that we are building latest data is that we are building 30,000 latest data is that we are building 30,000 houses latest data is that we are building 30,000 houses per latest data is that we are building 30,000 houses per year. latest data is that we are building 30,000 houses per year. And latest data is that we are building 30,000 houses per year. And I latest data is that we are building 30,000 houses per year. And I would 30,000 houses per year. And I would challenge 30,000 houses per year. And I would challenge that 30,000 houses per year. And I would challenge that member 30,000 houses per year. And I would challenge that member or 30,000 houses per year. And I would challenge that member or any 30,000 houses per year. And I would challenge that member or any other challenge that member or any other in challenge that member or any other in the challenge that member or any other in the House challenge that member or any other in the House to challenge that member or any other in the House to show challenge that member or any other in the House to show a challenge that member or any other in the House to show a period challenge that member or any other in the House to show a period of in the House to show a period of four in the House to show a period of four years in the House to show a period of four years when in the House to show a period of four years when there in the House to show a period of four years when there has in the House to show a period of four years when there has been in the House to show a period of four years when there has been as four years when there has been as strong four years when there has been as strong a four years when there has been as strong a growth four years when there has been as strong a growth in four years when there has been as strong a growth in building four years when there has been as strong a growth in building and strong a growth in building and construction. strong a growth in building and construction. Question strong a growth in building and construction. Question No. strong a growth in building and construction. Question No. 9. construction. Question No. 9. Jami-Lee construction. Question No. 9. Jami-Lee Ross. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Trade: My question is to the Minister of Trade: What My question is to the Minister of Trade: What reports My question is to the Minister of Trade: What reports has of Trade: What reports has he of Trade: What reports has he received of Trade: What reports has he received on of Trade: What reports has he received on trade of Trade: What reports has he received on trade issues? On On 24 On 24 March, On 24 March, the On 24 March, the PM On 24 March, the PM launched On 24 March, the PM launched trade On 24 March, the PM launched trade agenda On 24 March, the PM launched trade agenda 2030, On 24 March, the PM launched trade agenda 2030, securing On 24 March, the PM launched trade agenda 2030, securing our On 24 March, the PM launched trade agenda 2030, securing our place On 24 March, the PM launched trade agenda 2030, securing our place in agenda 2030, securing our place in the agenda 2030, securing our place in the world. agenda 2030, securing our place in the world. The agenda 2030, securing our place in the world. The agenda agenda 2030, securing our place in the world. The agenda sets agenda 2030, securing our place in the world. The agenda sets an the world. The agenda sets an ambitious the world. The agenda sets an ambitious path the world. The agenda sets an ambitious path for the world. The agenda sets an ambitious path for New the world. The agenda sets an ambitious path for New Zealand's ambitious path for New Zealand's trade ambitious path for New Zealand's trade strategy ambitious path for New Zealand's trade strategy over ambitious path for New Zealand's trade strategy over the ambitious path for New Zealand's trade strategy over the next ambitious path for New Zealand's trade strategy over the next 10-15 trade strategy over the next 10-15 years trade strategy over the next 10-15 years and trade strategy over the next 10-15 years and aims trade strategy over the next 10-15 years and aims to trade strategy over the next 10-15 years and aims to get trade strategy over the next 10-15 years and aims to get the trade strategy over the next 10-15 years and aims to get the best years and aims to get the best possible years and aims to get the best possible export years and aims to get the best possible export outcomes years and aims to get the best possible export outcomes for years and aims to get the best possible export outcomes for our possible export outcomes for our country. possible export outcomes for our country. 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Our exports of goods and services have Rifan from $29 billion services have Rifan from $29 billion in services have Rifan from $29 billion in 1995 services have Rifan from $29 billion in 1995 to services have Rifan from $29 billion in 1995 to $70 services have Rifan from $29 billion in 1995 to $70 billion services have Rifan from $29 billion in 1995 to $70 billion in services have Rifan from $29 billion in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, services have Rifan from $29 billion in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, and in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, and trade in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, and trade agenda in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, and trade agenda 2030 in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, and trade agenda 2030 charts in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, and trade agenda 2030 charts a in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, and trade agenda 2030 charts a course in 1995 to $70 billion in 2016, and trade agenda 2030 charts a course to trade agenda 2030 charts a course to dramatically trade agenda 2030 charts a course to dramatically increase trade agenda 2030 charts a course to dramatically increase these trade agenda 2030 charts a course to dramatically increase these gains. dramatically increase these gains. How dramatically increase these gains. How will dramatically increase these gains. How will the dramatically increase these gains. How will the Trade dramatically increase these gains. How will the Trade Agenda dramatically increase these gains. How will the Trade Agenda 2030 How will the Trade Agenda 2030 achieve How will the Trade Agenda 2030 achieve success How will the Trade Agenda 2030 achieve success for How will the Trade Agenda 2030 achieve success for export How will the Trade Agenda 2030 achieve success for export seniors achieve success for export seniors -- achieve success for export seniors -- exporters? achieve success for export seniors -- exporters? Well, achieve success for export seniors -- exporters? Well, Mr achieve success for export seniors -- exporters? Well, Mr Speaker, -- exporters? Well, Mr Speaker, Trade -- exporters? Well, Mr Speaker, Trade Agenda -- exporters? Well, Mr Speaker, Trade Agenda 2030 -- exporters? Well, Mr Speaker, Trade Agenda 2030 sets -- exporters? Well, Mr Speaker, Trade Agenda 2030 sets an -- exporters? Well, Mr Speaker, Trade Agenda 2030 sets an ambitious Trade Agenda 2030 sets an ambitious target Trade Agenda 2030 sets an ambitious target of Trade Agenda 2030 sets an ambitious target of 90% Trade Agenda 2030 sets an ambitious target of 90% of Trade Agenda 2030 sets an ambitious target of 90% of goods, Trade Agenda 2030 sets an ambitious target of 90% of goods, trade, Trade Agenda 2030 sets an ambitious target of 90% of goods, trade, being target of 90% of goods, trade, being covered target of 90% of goods, trade, being covered by target of 90% of goods, trade, being covered by FTAs target of 90% of goods, trade, being covered by FTAs by target of 90% of goods, trade, being covered by FTAs by 2030, target of 90% of goods, trade, being covered by FTAs by 2030, up target of 90% of goods, trade, being covered by FTAs by 2030, up from target of 90% of goods, trade, being covered by FTAs by 2030, up from 53% covered by FTAs by 2030, up from 53% currently. covered by FTAs by 2030, up from 53% currently. It covered by FTAs by 2030, up from 53% currently. It sees covered by FTAs by 2030, up from 53% currently. It sees $91 covered by FTAs by 2030, up from 53% currently. It sees $91 million covered by FTAs by 2030, up from 53% currently. It sees $91 million of currently. It sees $91 million of new currently. It sees $91 million of new funding, currently. It sees $91 million of new funding, our currently. It sees $91 million of new funding, our biggest currently. It sees $91 million of new funding, our biggest ever new funding, our biggest ever investment new funding, our biggest ever investment in new funding, our biggest ever investment in trade new funding, our biggest ever investment in trade policy new funding, our biggest ever investment in trade policy and new funding, our biggest ever investment in trade policy and it investment in trade policy and it provides investment in trade policy and it provides more investment in trade policy and it provides more resources investment in trade policy and it provides more resources for provides more resources for government provides more resources for government to provides more resources for government to tackle provides more resources for government to tackle non-tariff government to tackle non-tariff barriers government to tackle non-tariff barriers that government to tackle non-tariff barriers that exporters government to tackle non-tariff barriers that exporters face. government to tackle non-tariff barriers that exporters face. It barriers that exporters face. It increases barriers that exporters face. It increases focus barriers that exporters face. It increases focus on barriers that exporters face. It increases focus on services barriers that exporters face. It increases focus on services and increases focus on services and investment increases focus on services and investment and increases focus on services and investment and digital increases focus on services and investment and digital trade increases focus on services and investment and digital trade and investment and digital trade and will investment and digital trade and will do investment and digital trade and will do more investment and digital trade and will do more to investment and digital trade and will do more to help investment and digital trade and will do more to help exporters will do more to help exporters succeed will do more to help exporters succeed by will do more to help exporters succeed by providing will do more to help exporters succeed by providing them will do more to help exporters succeed by providing them with succeed by providing them with practical succeed by providing them with practical assistance. succeed by providing them with practical assistance. What succeed by providing them with practical assistance. What progress practical assistance. What progress has practical assistance. What progress has been practical assistance. What progress has been made practical assistance. What progress has been made on practical assistance. What progress has been made on an practical assistance. What progress has been made on an FTA practical assistance. What progress has been made on an FTA upgrade practical assistance. What progress has been made on an FTA upgrade with has been made on an FTA upgrade with China? has been made on an FTA upgrade with China? Last has been made on an FTA upgrade with China? Last week has been made on an FTA upgrade with China? Last week the has been made on an FTA upgrade with China? Last week the PM has been made on an FTA upgrade with China? Last week the PM announced China? Last week the PM announced during China? Last week the PM announced during the China? Last week the PM announced during the visit China? Last week the PM announced during the visit of China? Last week the PM announced during the visit of Premier China? Last week the PM announced during the visit of Premier Li China? Last week the PM announced during the visit of Premier Li that during the visit of Premier Li that our during the visit of Premier Li that our two during the visit of Premier Li that our two countries during the visit of Premier Li that our two countries will during the visit of Premier Li that our two countries will begin during the visit of Premier Li that our two countries will begin FTA our two countries will begin FTA upgrade our two countries will begin FTA upgrade talks our two countries will begin FTA upgrade talks on our two countries will begin FTA upgrade talks on 25 our two countries will begin FTA upgrade talks on 25 April. our two countries will begin FTA upgrade talks on 25 April. This our two countries will begin FTA upgrade talks on 25 April. This is upgrade talks on 25 April. This is an upgrade talks on 25 April. This is an important upgrade talks on 25 April. This is an important step upgrade talks on 25 April. This is an important step to upgrade talks on 25 April. This is an important step to modernising upgrade talks on 25 April. This is an important step to modernising our an important step to modernising our trade an important step to modernising our trade relationship, an important step to modernising our trade relationship, which an important step to modernising our trade relationship, which has trade relationship, which has evolved trade relationship, which has evolved over trade relationship, which has evolved over the trade relationship, which has evolved over the past trade relationship, which has evolved over the past eight trade relationship, which has evolved over the past eight years. evolved over the past eight years. Since evolved over the past eight years. Since the evolved over the past eight years. Since the FTA evolved over the past eight years. Since the FTA came evolved over the past eight years. Since the FTA came into evolved over the past eight years. Since the FTA came into force evolved over the past eight years. Since the FTA came into force in Since the FTA came into force in 2008, Since the FTA came into force in 2008, two-way Since the FTA came into force in 2008, two-way goods Since the FTA came into force in 2008, two-way goods and Since the FTA came into force in 2008, two-way goods and services 2008, two-way goods and services trade 2008, two-way goods and services trade has 2008, two-way goods and services trade has nearly 2008, two-way goods and services trade has nearly tripled 2008, two-way goods and services trade has nearly tripled to 2008, two-way goods and services trade has nearly tripled to $23 trade has nearly tripled to $23 billion trade has nearly tripled to $23 billion and trade has nearly tripled to $23 billion and created trade has nearly tripled to $23 billion and created jobs trade has nearly tripled to $23 billion and created jobs and billion and created jobs and opportunities billion and created jobs and opportunities for billion and created jobs and opportunities for New billion and created jobs and opportunities for New Zealanders. opportunities for New Zealanders. Supplementary opportunities for New Zealanders. Supplementary question, opportunities for New Zealanders. Supplementary question, Jami-Lee Supplementary question, Jami-Lee Ross. Supplementary question, Jami-Lee Ross. And Supplementary question, Jami-Lee Ross. And how Supplementary question, Jami-Lee Ross. And how will Supplementary question, Jami-Lee Ross. And how will Trade Supplementary question, Jami-Lee Ross. And how will Trade Agenda Supplementary question, Jami-Lee Ross. And how will Trade Agenda 2030 Ross. And how will Trade Agenda 2030 help Ross. And how will Trade Agenda 2030 help the Ross. And how will Trade Agenda 2030 help the Government Ross. And how will Trade Agenda 2030 help the Government to Ross. And how will Trade Agenda 2030 help the Government to engage Ross. And how will Trade Agenda 2030 help the Government to engage New help the Government to engage New Zealanders help the Government to engage New Zealanders on help the Government to engage New Zealanders on the help the Government to engage New Zealanders on the bfs help the Government to engage New Zealanders on the bfs of help the Government to engage New Zealanders on the bfs of trade? help the Government to engage New Zealanders on the bfs of trade? -- Zealanders on the bfs of trade? -- benefits Zealanders on the bfs of trade? -- benefits of Zealanders on the bfs of trade? -- benefits of trade? Zealanders on the bfs of trade? -- benefits of trade? Well, Zealanders on the bfs of trade? -- benefits of trade? Well, there Zealanders on the bfs of trade? -- benefits of trade? Well, there has benefits of trade? Well, there has been benefits of trade? Well, there has been significant benefits of trade? Well, there has been significant engagement benefits of trade? Well, there has been significant engagement with benefits of trade? Well, there has been significant engagement with New been significant engagement with New Zealanders been significant engagement with New Zealanders on been significant engagement with New Zealanders on trade been significant engagement with New Zealanders on trade over been significant engagement with New Zealanders on trade over the been significant engagement with New Zealanders on trade over the last Zealanders on trade over the last year, Zealanders on trade over the last year, and Zealanders on trade over the last year, and a Zealanders on trade over the last year, and a demonstration Zealanders on trade over the last year, and a demonstration of Zealanders on trade over the last year, and a demonstration of our year, and a demonstration of our commitment year, and a demonstration of our commitment to year, and a demonstration of our commitment to engagement, year, and a demonstration of our commitment to engagement, I year, and a demonstration of our commitment to engagement, I have commitment to engagement, I have recently commitment to engagement, I have recently established commitment to engagement, I have recently established a commitment to engagement, I have recently established a ministerial recently established a ministerial advisory recently established a ministerial advisory group recently established a ministerial advisory group on recently established a ministerial advisory group on trade, recently established a ministerial advisory group on trade, which advisory group on trade, which includes advisory group on trade, which includes representatives advisory group on trade, which includes representatives from advisory group on trade, which includes representatives from NGOs, includes representatives from NGOs, from includes representatives from NGOs, from iwi, includes representatives from NGOs, from iwi, unions, includes representatives from NGOs, from iwi, unions, industry from iwi, unions, industry stakeholders from iwi, unions, industry stakeholders and from iwi, unions, industry stakeholders and exporters. from iwi, unions, industry stakeholders and exporters. We'll stakeholders and exporters. We'll continue stakeholders and exporters. We'll continue to stakeholders and exporters. We'll continue to meet stakeholders and exporters. We'll continue to meet with stakeholders and exporters. 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Question No. 10. Megan be tabled. Question No. 10. Megan Woods. 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But what I can say is that where there are claims dealt with by EQC, there are claims dealt with by EQC, they there are claims dealt with by EQC, they will there are claims dealt with by EQC, they will be there are claims dealt with by EQC, they will be dealt there are claims dealt with by EQC, they will be dealt with there are claims dealt with by EQC, they will be dealt with in there are claims dealt with by EQC, they will be dealt with in a there are claims dealt with by EQC, they will be dealt with in a fair they will be dealt with in a fair and they will be dealt with in a fair and reasonable they will be dealt with in a fair and reasonable manner they will be dealt with in a fair and reasonable manner within they will be dealt with in a fair and reasonable manner within the and reasonable manner within the constraints and reasonable manner within the constraints of and reasonable manner within the constraints of the and reasonable manner within the constraints of the Act and reasonable manner within the constraints of the Act and and reasonable manner within the constraints of the Act and the and reasonable manner within the constraints of the Act and the cover constraints of the Act and the cover that's constraints of the Act and the cover that's provided constraints of the Act and the cover that's provided by constraints of the Act and the cover that's provided by that constraints of the Act and the cover that's provided by that insurance. that's provided by that insurance. 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Is the Minister saying that the chair of the saying that the chair of the Earthquake saying that the chair of the Earthquake Commission saying that the chair of the Earthquake Commission was saying that the chair of the Earthquake Commission was wrong saying that the chair of the Earthquake Commission was wrong to Earthquake Commission was wrong to give Earthquake Commission was wrong to give a Earthquake Commission was wrong to give a commitment Earthquake Commission was wrong to give a commitment that Earthquake Commission was wrong to give a commitment that all Earthquake Commission was wrong to give a commitment that all claims give a commitment that all claims lodged give a commitment that all claims lodged by give a commitment that all claims lodged by the give a commitment that all claims lodged by the 30 give a commitment that all claims lodged by the 30 June give a commitment that all claims lodged by the 30 June 2016 give a commitment that all claims lodged by the 30 June 2016 would give a commitment that all claims lodged by the 30 June 2016 would be lodged by the 30 June 2016 would be settled, lodged by the 30 June 2016 would be settled, remedial lodged by the 30 June 2016 would be settled, remedial claims, lodged by the 30 June 2016 would be settled, remedial claims, would lodged by the 30 June 2016 would be settled, remedial claims, would be settled, remedial claims, would be settled settled, remedial claims, would be settled by settled, remedial claims, would be settled by 2017? 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As regards the woman's personal details, as the member will personal details, as the member will appreciate, personal details, as the member will appreciate, some personal details, as the member will appreciate, some of personal details, as the member will appreciate, some of that personal details, as the member will appreciate, some of that is personal details, as the member will appreciate, some of that is private appreciate, some of that is private information, appreciate, some of that is private information, but appreciate, some of that is private information, but what appreciate, some of that is private information, but what I appreciate, some of that is private information, but what I am appreciate, some of that is private information, but what I am assured information, but what I am assured of information, but what I am assured of by information, but what I am assured of by officials information, but what I am assured of by officials is information, but what I am assured of by officials is that information, but what I am assured of by officials is that clinically of by officials is that clinically the of by officials is that clinically the outbreak of by officials is that clinically the outbreak has of by officials is that clinically the outbreak has been of by officials is that clinically the outbreak has been handled the outbreak has been handled entirely the outbreak has been handled the the outbreak has been handled entirely appropriately. Order! the outbreak has been handled entirely appropriately. Order! That entirely appropriately. Order! That concludes entirely appropriately. Order! That concludes Oral