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CLEAR Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for your humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all things, your guidance in all things, and your guidance in all things, and laying your guidance in all things, and laying aside your guidance in all things, and laying aside all your guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we ask and personal interests, we ask that and personal interests, we ask that you and personal interests, we ask that you grant we ask that you grant that we ask that you grant that we we ask that you grant that we may we ask that you grant that we may conduct we ask that you grant that we may conduct the we ask that you grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of your of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy name, to the glory of your holy name, the to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. The The Hon The Hon Simon The Hon Simon Bridges. The Hon Simon Bridges. When The Hon Simon Bridges. When the The Hon Simon Bridges. When the House The Hon Simon Bridges. When the House resumes The Hon Simon Bridges. When the House resumes on The Hon Simon Bridges. When the House resumes on Tuesday, The Hon Simon Bridges. When the House resumes on Tuesday, 11 The Hon Simon Bridges. 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I wonder whether the acting Leader of wonder whether the acting Leader of the wonder whether the acting Leader of the House wonder whether the acting Leader of the House can wonder whether the acting Leader of the House can inform wonder whether the acting Leader of the House can inform us wonder whether the acting Leader of the House can inform us why wonder whether the acting Leader of the House can inform us why the the House can inform us why the motions the House can inform us why the motions appointing the House can inform us why the motions appointing the the House can inform us why the motions appointing the right the House can inform us why the motions appointing the right Hon motions appointing the right Hon Winston motions appointing the right Hon Winston Peters motions appointing the right Hon Winston Peters to motions appointing the right Hon Winston Peters to the motions appointing the right Hon Winston Peters to the security motions appointing the right Hon Winston Peters to the security and Winston Peters to the security and intelligence Winston Peters to the security and intelligence committee Winston Peters to the security and intelligence committee and intelligence committee and appointing intelligence committee and appointing a intelligence committee and appointing a new intelligence committee and appointing a new Parliamentary appointing a new Parliamentary Commissioner appointing a new Parliamentary Commissioner for appointing a new Parliamentary Commissioner for the appointing a new Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment Commissioner for the Environment which Commissioner for the Environment which were Commissioner for the Environment which were scheduled Commissioner for the Environment which were scheduled to Commissioner for the Environment which were scheduled to have Commissioner for the Environment which were scheduled to have been which were scheduled to have been done which were scheduled to have been done this which were scheduled to have been done this afternoon which were scheduled to have been done this afternoon have which were scheduled to have been done this afternoon have been done this afternoon have been removed done this afternoon have been removed from done this afternoon have been removed from the done this afternoon have been removed from the Order done this afternoon have been removed from the Order Paper done this afternoon have been removed from the Order Paper for removed from the Order Paper for today? removed from the Order Paper for today? 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The question comes on Oral reading. The question comes on Oral Questions. reading. The question comes on Oral Questions. No. reading. The question comes on Oral Questions. No. 1. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: Does My question is to the Minister of Education: Does she My question is to the Minister of Education: Does she agree of Education: Does she agree with of Education: Does she agree with the of Education: Does she agree with the Ministry of Education: Does she agree with the Ministry of with the Ministry of Education's with the Ministry of Education's National with the Ministry of Education's National Director Education's National Director for Education's National Director for Learning Education's National Director for Learning Support Education's National Director for Learning Support that Education's National Director for Learning Support that schools for Learning Support that schools in for Learning Support that schools in Northland for Learning Support that schools in Northland should for Learning Support that schools in Northland should contact in Northland should contact the in Northland should contact the Police in Northland should contact the Police when in Northland should contact the Police when primary in Northland should contact the Police when primary school the Police when primary school children the Police when primary school children threaten the Police when primary school children threaten teachers the Police when primary school children threaten teachers and the Police when primary school children threaten teachers and other children threaten teachers and other students children threaten teachers and other students with children threaten teachers and other students with violence? 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If so, is that rationing the reason why so many schools are the reason why so many schools are saying the reason why so many schools are saying that the reason why so many schools are saying that under the reason why so many schools are saying that under this the reason why so many schools are saying that under this Government, saying that under this Government, they saying that under this Government, they are saying that under this Government, they are considering saying that under this Government, they are considering suspended saying that under this Government, they are considering suspended or they are considering suspended or expelling they are considering suspended or expelling opportunities they are considering suspended or expelling opportunities with expelling opportunities with behavioural expelling opportunities with behavioural or expelling opportunities with behavioural or other expelling opportunities with behavioural or other learning behavioural or other learning support behavioural or other learning support needs, behavioural or other learning support needs, because behavioural or other learning support needs, because they behavioural or other learning support needs, because they don't support needs, because they don't have support needs, because they don't have the support needs, because they don't have the resources support needs, because they don't have the resources to support needs, because they don't have the resources to support support needs, because they don't have the resources to support them? have the resources to support them? 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There are students that are suspended for particular reasons, suspended for particular reasons, and suspended for particular reasons, and they've suspended for particular reasons, and they've all suspended for particular reasons, and they've all gone suspended for particular reasons, and they've all gone through suspended for particular reasons, and they've all gone through a and they've all gone through a natural and they've all gone through a natural justice and they've all gone through a natural justice process, and they've all gone through a natural justice process, and and they've all gone through a natural justice process, and then natural justice process, and then they natural justice process, and then they go natural justice process, and then they go into natural justice process, and then they go into alternative natural justice process, and then they go into alternative education, they go into alternative education, and they go into alternative education, and then they go into alternative education, and then they they go into alternative education, and then they get they go into alternative education, and then they get particular and then they get particular support. and then they get particular support. 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Question Question number - order! Question No. Question number - order! Question No. 3. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: My question is to the Minister of Finance: How My question is to the Minister of Finance: How are My question is to the Minister of Finance: How are the My question is to the Minister of Finance: How are the Government's of Finance: How are the Government's financial of Finance: How are the Government's financial accounts of Finance: How are the Government's financial accounts tracking financial accounts tracking compared financial accounts tracking compared to financial accounts tracking compared to Budget financial accounts tracking compared to Budget 2016? 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Currently, the Crown accounts for the eight months to accounts for the eight months to February accounts for the eight months to February are accounts for the eight months to February are showing accounts for the eight months to February are showing a accounts for the eight months to February are showing a $1.4 accounts for the eight months to February are showing a $1.4 billion February are showing a $1.4 billion operating February are showing a $1.4 billion operating surplus, February are showing a $1.4 billion operating surplus, compared February are showing a $1.4 billion operating surplus, compared to operating surplus, compared to Treasury's operating surplus, compared to Treasury's forecasts operating surplus, compared to Treasury's forecasts of operating surplus, compared to Treasury's forecasts of a operating surplus, compared to Treasury's forecasts of a $568 Treasury's forecasts of a $568 million Treasury's forecasts of a $568 million surplus Treasury's forecasts of a $568 million surplus at Treasury's forecasts of a $568 million surplus at the Treasury's forecasts of a $568 million surplus at the start Treasury's forecasts of a $568 million surplus at the start of Treasury's forecasts of a $568 million surplus at the start of the million surplus at the start of the fiscal million surplus at the start of the fiscal year. million surplus at the start of the fiscal year. 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This is also $912 million better than expected at the million better than expected at the half-yearly million better than expected at the half-yearly update, million better than expected at the half-yearly update, which million better than expected at the half-yearly update, which was half-yearly update, which was released half-yearly update, which was released just half-yearly update, which was released just before half-yearly update, which was released just before Christmas. half-yearly update, which was released just before Christmas. The released just before Christmas. The Government's released just before Christmas. The Government's books released just before Christmas. The Government's books are released just before Christmas. The Government's books are in released just before Christmas. The Government's books are in good released just before Christmas. The Government's books are in good shape Government's books are in good shape because Government's books are in good shape because we Government's books are in good shape because we have Government's books are in good shape because we have shown Government's books are in good shape because we have shown spending because we have shown spending restraint, because we have shown spending restraint, improved because we have shown spending restraint, improved the because we have shown spending restraint, improved the quality because we have shown spending restraint, improved the quality of restraint, improved the quality of our restraint, improved the quality of our expenditure, restraint, improved the quality of our expenditure, and restraint, improved the quality of our expenditure, and focused restraint, improved the quality of our expenditure, and focused on restraint, improved the quality of our expenditure, and focused on the our expenditure, and focused on the areas our expenditure, and focused on the areas where our expenditure, and focused on the areas where we our expenditure, and focused on the areas where we can our expenditure, and focused on the areas where we can make our expenditure, and focused on the areas where we can make the our expenditure, and focused on the areas where we can make the most areas where we can make the most difference areas where we can make the most difference to areas where we can make the most difference to people's areas where we can make the most difference to people's lives. areas where we can make the most difference to people's lives. What difference to people's lives. What is difference to people's lives. What is driving difference to people's lives. What is driving this is driving this higher-than-anticipated is driving this higher-than-anticipated level is driving this higher-than-anticipated level of higher-than-anticipated level of Government higher-than-anticipated level of Government surplus? higher-than-anticipated level of Government surplus? Higher higher-than-anticipated level of Government surplus? Higher tax Government surplus? Higher tax revenues Government surplus? Higher tax revenues are Government surplus? Higher tax revenues are the Government surplus? Higher tax revenues are the major Government surplus? 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All categories have same period last year. All categories have been same period last year. All categories have been growing same period last year. All categories have been growing but categories have been growing but company categories have been growing but company tax categories have been growing but company tax was categories have been growing but company tax was the categories have been growing but company tax was the largest categories have been growing but company tax was the largest driver company tax was the largest driver of company tax was the largest driver of this company tax was the largest driver of this favourable company tax was the largest driver of this favourable result. company tax was the largest driver of this favourable result. Revenue of this favourable result. Revenue is of this favourable result. Revenue is $551 of this favourable result. Revenue is $551 million of this favourable result. Revenue is $551 million ahead of this favourable result. 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Can the minister to a strong economic claim. Can the minister tell to a strong economic claim. Can the minister tell the to a strong economic claim. Can the minister tell the House to a strong economic claim. Can the minister tell the House whether to a strong economic claim. Can the minister tell the House whether or minister tell the House whether or not minister tell the House whether or not the minister tell the House whether or not the surplus minister tell the House whether or not the surplus number minister tell the House whether or not the surplus number includes minister tell the House whether or not the surplus number includes a not the surplus number includes a calculation not the surplus number includes a calculation for not the surplus number includes a calculation for the not the surplus number includes a calculation for the costs not the surplus number includes a calculation for the costs of not the surplus number includes a calculation for the costs of the calculation for the costs of the Kaikoura calculation for the costs of the Kaikoura earthquake calculation for the costs of the Kaikoura earthquake and calculation for the costs of the Kaikoura earthquake and has calculation for the costs of the Kaikoura earthquake and has he calculation for the costs of the Kaikoura earthquake and has he been Kaikoura earthquake and has he been updated Kaikoura earthquake and has he been updated on Kaikoura earthquake and has he been updated on what Kaikoura earthquake and has he been updated on what the Kaikoura earthquake and has he been updated on what the likely Kaikoura earthquake and has he been updated on what the likely cost Kaikoura earthquake and has he been updated on what the likely cost to updated on what the likely cost to the updated on what the likely cost to the Government updated on what the likely cost to the Government of updated on what the likely cost to the Government of that updated on what the likely cost to the Government of that will updated on what the likely cost to the Government of that will be updated on what the likely cost to the Government of that will be - updated on what the likely cost to the Government of that will be - the the Government of that will be - the recovery the Government of that will be - the recovery from the Government of that will be - the recovery from it? the Government of that will be - the recovery from it? 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What -- to withstand future shocks. What is -- to withstand future shocks. What is the -- to withstand future shocks. What is the total -- to withstand future shocks. What is the total debt -- to withstand future shocks. What is the total debt attributable -- to withstand future shocks. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Does for Social Development: Does she for Social Development: Does she stand for Social Development: Does she stand by for Social Development: Does she stand by her for Social Development: Does she stand by her statement she stand by her statement about she stand by her statement about the she stand by her statement about the Privacy she stand by her statement about the Privacy Commissioner she stand by her statement about the Privacy Commissioner that about the Privacy Commissioner that "we about the Privacy Commissioner that "we will about the Privacy Commissioner that "we will listen about the Privacy Commissioner that "we will listen to about the Privacy Commissioner that "we will listen to any "we will listen to any recommendations "we will listen to any recommendations that "we will listen to any recommendations that he "we will listen to any recommendations that he has "we will listen to any recommendations that he has to "we will listen to any recommendations that he has to make" recommendations that he has to make" about recommendations that he has to make" about feedback recommendations that he has to make" about feedback on recommendations that he has to make" about feedback on her recommendations that he has to make" about feedback on her Government's about feedback on her Government's approach about feedback on her Government's approach to about feedback on her Government's approach to private about feedback on her Government's approach to private client about feedback on her Government's approach to private client data approach to private client data collection approach to private client data collection from approach to private client data collection from social approach to private client data collection from social services? Yes. Yes. How Yes. How can Yes. How can she Yes. How can she say Yes. How can she say she Yes. How can she say she is Yes. How can she say she is listening Yes. How can she say she is listening when Yes. How can she say she is listening when this Yes. How can she say she is listening when this morning Yes. How can she say she is listening when this morning on Yes. 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Well, if they knew the data was going to be shared. Well, because if they knew the data was going to be shared. Well, because the if they knew the data was going to be shared. Well, because the Privacy be shared. Well, because the Privacy Commissioner's be shared. Well, because the Privacy Commissioner's comment be shared. Well, because the Privacy Commissioner's comment was be shared. Well, because the Privacy Commissioner's comment was 'could' Commissioner's comment was 'could' and Commissioner's comment was 'could' and in Commissioner's comment was 'could' and in my Commissioner's comment was 'could' and in my discussions Commissioner's comment was 'could' and in my discussions with Commissioner's comment was 'could' and in my discussions with the and in my discussions with the Privacy and in my discussions with the Privacy Commissioner, and in my discussions with the Privacy Commissioner, he and in my discussions with the Privacy Commissioner, he did and in my discussions with the Privacy Commissioner, he did not Privacy Commissioner, he did not have Privacy Commissioner, he did not have any Privacy Commissioner, he did not have any proof Privacy Commissioner, he did not have any proof that Privacy Commissioner, he did not have any proof that people Privacy Commissioner, he did not have any proof that people would Privacy Commissioner, he did not have any proof that people would not have any proof that people would not seek have any proof that people would not seek help have any proof that people would not seek help - have any proof that people would not seek help - it have any proof that people would not seek help - it is have any proof that people would not seek help - it is an have any proof that people would not seek help - it is an assumption have any proof that people would not seek help - it is an assumption that seek help - it is an assumption that they seek help - it is an assumption that they won't seek help - it is an assumption that they won't seek seek help - it is an assumption that they won't seek help. seek help - it is an assumption that they won't seek help. 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How can she expect New Zealanders to have expect New Zealanders to have confidence expect New Zealanders to have confidence in expect New Zealanders to have confidence in her expect New Zealanders to have confidence in her ministry's expect New Zealanders to have confidence in her ministry's client confidence in her ministry's client data confidence in her ministry's client data sharing confidence in her ministry's client data sharing approach confidence in her ministry's client data sharing approach when confidence in her ministry's client data sharing approach when two confidence in her ministry's client data sharing approach when two days data sharing approach when two days ago data sharing approach when two days ago her data sharing approach when two days ago her IT data sharing approach when two days ago her IT portal, data sharing approach when two days ago her IT portal, for data sharing approach when two days ago her IT portal, for storing data sharing approach when two days ago her IT portal, for storing this ago her IT portal, for storing this data, ago her IT portal, for storing this data, had ago her IT portal, for storing this data, had to ago her IT portal, for storing this data, had to be ago her IT portal, for storing this data, had to be shut ago her IT portal, for storing this data, had to be shut down ago her IT portal, for storing this data, had to be shut down because ago her IT portal, for storing this data, had to be shut down because it data, had to be shut down because it was data, had to be shut down because it was compromised? data, had to be shut down because it was compromised? She data, had to be shut down because it was compromised? She said data, had to be shut down because it was compromised? She said this was compromised? She said this morning was compromised? She said this morning she was compromised? She said this morning she had was compromised? She said this morning she had no was compromised? She said this morning she had no confidence was compromised? She said this morning she had no confidence in was compromised? She said this morning she had no confidence in the morning she had no confidence in the system, morning she had no confidence in the system, and morning she had no confidence in the system, and the morning she had no confidence in the system, and the ministry morning she had no confidence in the system, and the ministry has morning she had no confidence in the system, and the ministry has an system, and the ministry has an abysmal system, and the ministry has an abysmal track system, and the ministry has an abysmal track record system, and the ministry has an abysmal track record for system, and the ministry has an abysmal track record for breaches system, and the ministry has an abysmal track record for breaches of abysmal track record for breaches of private abysmal track record for breaches of private client abysmal track record for breaches of private client information? abysmal track record for breaches of private client information? Firstly, private client information? Firstly, I private client information? Firstly, morning private client information? Firstly, I would say private client information? Firstly, I would say that private client information? Firstly, I would say that MSD private client information? Firstly, I would say that MSD deals private client information? Firstly, I would say that MSD deals with private client information? Firstly, I would say that MSD deals with over I would say that MSD deals with over a I would say that MSD deals with over a million I would say that MSD deals with over a million New I would say that MSD deals with over a million New Zealanders I would say that MSD deals with over a million New Zealanders and I would say that MSD deals with over a million New Zealanders and does a million New Zealanders and does not a million New Zealanders and does not have a million New Zealanders and does not have an a million New Zealanders and does not have an appalling a million New Zealanders and does not have an appalling track a million New Zealanders and does not have an appalling track record. not have an appalling track record. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> That's <INTERRUPTION> That's not <INTERRUPTION> That's not to <INTERRUPTION> That's not to say <INTERRUPTION> That's not to say it <INTERRUPTION> That's not to say it hasn't <INTERRUPTION> That's not to say it hasn't had That's not to say it hasn't had breaches, That's not to say it hasn't had breaches, but That's not to say it hasn't had breaches, but it That's not to say it hasn't had breaches, but it has That's not to say it hasn't had breaches, but it has a That's not to say it hasn't had breaches, but it has a very That's not to say it hasn't had breaches, but it has a very good breaches, but it has a very good record breaches, but it has a very good record of breaches, but it has a very good record of protecting breaches, but it has a very good record of protecting over breaches, but it has a very good record of protecting over a breaches, but it has a very good record of protecting over a million record of protecting over a million New record of protecting over a million New Zealanders' record of protecting over a million New Zealanders' information. record of protecting over a million New Zealanders' information. But New Zealanders' information. But secondly, New Zealanders' information. But secondly, I New Zealanders' information. But secondly, I would New Zealanders' information. But secondly, I would say New Zealanders' information. But secondly, I would say to New Zealanders' information. But secondly, I would say to that secondly, I would say to that member, secondly, I would say to that member, the secondly, I would say to that member, the reason secondly, I would say to that member, the reason I secondly, I would say to that member, the reason I shut secondly, I would say to that member, the reason I shut the secondly, I would say to that member, the reason I shut the portal member, the reason I shut the portal down member, the reason I shut the portal down was member, the reason I shut the portal down was because member, the reason I shut the portal down was because I'm member, the reason I shut the portal down was because I'm not member, the reason I shut the portal down was because I'm not confident down was because I'm not confident in down was because I'm not confident in it down was because I'm not confident in it and down was because I'm not confident in it and therefore down was because I'm not confident in it and therefore no down was because I'm not confident in it and therefore no New down was because I'm not confident in it and therefore no New Zealander in it and therefore no New Zealander can in it and therefore no New Zealander can be in it and therefore no New Zealander can be confident in it and therefore no New Zealander can be confident in in it and therefore no New Zealander can be confident in it. can be confident in it. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Does <INTERRUPTION> Does she <INTERRUPTION> Does she really <INTERRUPTION> Does she really think <INTERRUPTION> Does she really think she <INTERRUPTION> Does she really think she has <INTERRUPTION> Does she really think she has the Does she really think she has the confidence Does she really think she has the confidence of Does she really think she has the confidence of social Does she really think she has the confidence of social service confidence of social service providers confidence of social service providers and confidence of social service providers and vulnerable confidence of social service providers and vulnerable people providers and vulnerable people seeking providers and vulnerable people seeking support providers and vulnerable people seeking support from providers and vulnerable people seeking support from these providers and vulnerable people seeking support from these social seeking support from these social services seeking support from these social services given seeking support from these social services given the seeking support from these social services given the data seeking support from these social services given the data security services given the data security breach services given the data security breach and services given the data security breach and findings services given the data security breach and findings of services given the data security breach and findings of the services given the data security breach and findings of the Privacy breach and findings of the Privacy Commissioner breach and findings of the Privacy Commissioner that breach and findings of the Privacy Commissioner that have breach and findings of the Privacy Commissioner that have come breach and findings of the Privacy Commissioner that have come to breach and findings of the Privacy Commissioner that have come to light Commissioner that have come to light in Commissioner that have come to light in the Commissioner that have come to light in the past Commissioner that have come to light in the past 72 Commissioner that have come to light in the past 72 hours? Commissioner that have come to light in the past 72 hours? I Commissioner that have come to light in the past 72 hours? I think Commissioner that have come to light in the past 72 hours? I think it's in the past 72 hours? I think it's very in the past 72 hours? I think it's very dangerous in the past 72 hours? I think it's very dangerous to in the past 72 hours? I think it's very dangerous to link in the past 72 hours? I think it's very dangerous to link the in the past 72 hours? I think it's very dangerous to link the two. very dangerous to link the two. First very dangerous to link the two. First of very dangerous to link the two. First of all, very dangerous to link the two. First of all, the very dangerous to link the two. First of all, the data very dangerous to link the two. First of all, the data collection First of all, the data collection will First of all, the data collection will continue First of all, the data collection will continue, First of all, the data collection will continue, but First of all, the data collection will continue, but there First of all, the data collection will continue, but there will First of all, the data collection will continue, but there will be First of all, the data collection will continue, but there will be no will continue, but there will be no information will continue, but there will be no information uploaded will continue, but there will be no information uploaded until will continue, but there will be no information uploaded until I will continue, but there will be no information uploaded until I am information uploaded until I am convinced, information uploaded until I am convinced, and information uploaded until I am convinced, and the information uploaded until I am convinced, and the Privacy convinced, and the Privacy Commissioner convinced, and the Privacy Commissioner is convinced, and the Privacy Commissioner is convinced, convinced, and the Privacy Commissioner is convinced, that convinced, and the Privacy Commissioner is convinced, that we Commissioner is convinced, that we have Commissioner is convinced, that we have a Commissioner is convinced, that we have a system Commissioner is convinced, that we have a system that Commissioner is convinced, that we have a system that is Commissioner is convinced, that we have a system that is secure. Commissioner is convinced, that we have a system that is secure. That's have a system that is secure. That's the have a system that is secure. That's the responsible have a system that is secure. That's the responsible thing have a system that is secure. That's the responsible thing to have a system that is secure. That's the responsible thing to do. the responsible thing to do. However, the responsible thing to do. However, when the responsible thing to do. However, when we the responsible thing to do. However, when we talk the responsible thing to do. 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Shouldn't the services that the Government is providing. Shouldn't the the services that the Government is providing. Shouldn't the minister providing. Shouldn't the minister have providing. Shouldn't the minister have made providing. Shouldn't the minister have made sure providing. Shouldn't the minister have made sure that providing. Shouldn't the minister have made sure that the providing. Shouldn't the minister have made sure that the system providing. Shouldn't the minister have made sure that the system for have made sure that the system for storing have made sure that the system for storing that have made sure that the system for storing that information have made sure that the system for storing that information was have made sure that the system for storing that information was secure storing that information was secure before storing that information was secure before she storing that information was secure before she pushed storing that information was secure before she pushed ahead storing that information was secure before she pushed ahead with storing that information was secure before she pushed ahead with her before she pushed ahead with her Government's before she pushed ahead with her Government's data before she pushed ahead with her Government's data collection before she pushed ahead with her Government's data collection and Government's data collection and sharing Government's data collection and sharing agenda? Government's data collection and sharing agenda? I Government's data collection and sharing agenda? I have Government's data collection and sharing agenda? I have said Government's data collection and sharing agenda? I have said in Government's data collection and sharing agenda? I have said in this sharing agenda? I have said in this House sharing agenda? I have said in this House and sharing agenda? I have said in this House and I've sharing agenda? I have said in this House and I've said sharing agenda? I have said in this House and I've said outside sharing agenda? I have said in this House and I've said outside this House and I've said outside this House House and I've said outside this House - House and I've said outside this House - we House and I've said outside this House - we will House and I've said outside this House - we will not House and I've said outside this House - we will not be House and I've said outside this House - we will not be uploading House and I've said outside this House - we will not be uploading any House - we will not be uploading any data House - we will not be uploading any data until House - we will not be uploading any data until I House - we will not be uploading any data until I can House - we will not be uploading any data until I can be House - we will not be uploading any data until I can be assured House - we will not be uploading any data until I can be assured and House - we will not be uploading any data until I can be assured and I data until I can be assured and I can data until I can be assured and I can assure data until I can be assured and I can assure New data until I can be assured and I can assure New Zealanders data until I can be assured and I can assure New Zealanders that data until I can be assured and I can assure New Zealanders that the can assure New Zealanders that the system can assure New Zealanders that the system that can assure New Zealanders that the system that collects can assure New Zealanders that the system that collects and can assure New Zealanders that the system that collects and holds can assure New Zealanders that the system that collects and holds the system that collects and holds the data system that collects and holds the data is system that collects and holds the data is secure. system that collects and holds the data is secure. <INTERRUPTION> data is secure. <INTERRUPTION> Will data is secure. <INTERRUPTION> Will she data is secure. <INTERRUPTION> Will she admit data is secure. <INTERRUPTION> Will she admit that data is secure. <INTERRUPTION> Will she admit that the data is secure. <INTERRUPTION> Will she admit that the Government's Will she admit that the Government's social Will she admit that the Government's social investment Will she admit that the Government's social investment approach Will she admit that the Government's social investment approach was Will she admit that the Government's social investment approach was never social investment approach was never about social investment approach was never about investing social investment approach was never about investing in social investment approach was never about investing in people, social investment approach was never about investing in people, but social investment approach was never about investing in people, but about about investing in people, but about saving about investing in people, but about saving money about investing in people, but about saving money in about investing in people, but about saving money in the about investing in people, but about saving money in the short-term about investing in people, but about saving money in the short-term by saving money in the short-term by underfunding saving money in the short-term by underfunding social saving money in the short-term by underfunding social services saving money in the short-term by underfunding social services and underfunding social services and putting underfunding social services and putting up underfunding social services and putting up barriers underfunding social services and putting up barriers to underfunding social services and putting up barriers to people putting up barriers to people accessing putting up barriers to people accessing support putting up barriers to people accessing support, putting up barriers to people accessing support, and putting up barriers to people accessing support, and will putting up barriers to people accessing support, and will she accessing support, and will she Akmal accessing support, and will she Akmal -- accessing support, and will she Akmal -- acknowledge accessing support, and will she Akmal -- acknowledge that accessing support, and will she Akmal -- acknowledge that this Akmal -- acknowledge that this approach Akmal -- acknowledge that this approach has Akmal -- acknowledge that this approach has long-term approach has long-term repercussions? approach has long-term repercussions? Well, approach has long-term repercussions? Well, far approach has long-term repercussions? Well, far be approach has long-term repercussions? Well, far be it approach has long-term repercussions? Well, far be it from repercussions? Well, far be it from that repercussions? Well, far be it from that member repercussions? Well, far be it from that member ever repercussions? Well, far be it from that member ever to repercussions? Well, far be it from that member ever to describe repercussions? Well, far be it from that member ever to describe social that member ever to describe social investment, that member ever to describe social investment, because that member ever to describe social investment, because it that member ever to describe social investment, because it is that member ever to describe social investment, because it is quite that member ever to describe social investment, because it is quite the investment, because it is quite the reverse. investment, because it is quite the reverse. The investment, because it is quite the reverse. The whole investment, because it is quite the reverse. The whole social investment, because it is quite the reverse. The whole social investment reverse. The whole social investment approach reverse. The whole social investment approach is reverse. The whole social investment approach is by reverse. The whole social investment approach is by investing reverse. The whole social investment approach is by investing earlier reverse. The whole social investment approach is by investing earlier and approach is by investing earlier and more approach is by investing earlier and more effectively, approach is by investing earlier and more effectively, so approach is by investing earlier and more effectively, so that approach is by investing earlier and more effectively, so that you approach is by investing earlier and more effectively, so that you get more effectively, so that you get better more effectively, so that you get better long-term more effectively, so that you get better long-term outcomes more effectively, so that you get better long-term outcomes for better long-term outcomes for people, better long-term outcomes for people, and better long-term outcomes for people, and that better long-term outcomes for people, and that always better long-term outcomes for people, and that always costs better long-term outcomes for people, and that always costs more. people, and that always costs more. Question people, and that always costs more. Question No. people, and that always costs more. Question No. 5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Does for Social Development: Does she for Social Development: Does she believe for Social Development: Does she believe she for Social Development: Does she believe she delivered she believe she delivered on she believe she delivered on her she believe she delivered on her statement she believe she delivered on her statement that she believe she delivered on her statement that "robust on her statement that "robust procedures on her statement that "robust procedures would on her statement that "robust procedures would gather on her statement that "robust procedures would gather and on her statement that "robust procedures would gather and protect procedures would gather and protect the procedures would gather and protect the information" procedures would gather and protect the information" when procedures would gather and protect the information" when referring the information" when referring to the information" when referring to her the information" when referring to her ministry's the information" when referring to her ministry's Individual the information" when referring to her ministry's Individual Client to her ministry's Individual Client Level to her ministry's Individual Client Level Data to her ministry's Individual Client Level Data Collection to her ministry's Individual Client Level Data Collection policy? Yes, Yes, as Yes, as I Yes, as I said Yes, as I said yesterday, Yes, as I said yesterday, it's Yes, as I said yesterday, it's absolutely Yes, as I said yesterday, it's absolutely vital Yes, as I said yesterday, it's absolutely vital that Yes, as I said yesterday, it's absolutely vital that clients Yes, as I said yesterday, it's absolutely vital that clients and absolutely vital that clients and providers absolutely vital that clients and providers have absolutely vital that clients and providers have confidence absolutely vital that clients and providers have confidence that absolutely vital that clients and providers have confidence that their providers have confidence that their information providers have confidence that their information is providers have confidence that their information is being providers have confidence that their information is being protected, information is being protected, which information is being protected, which is information is being protected, which is why information is being protected, which is why yesterday, information is being protected, which is why yesterday, after information is being protected, which is why yesterday, after I information is being protected, which is why yesterday, after I was which is why yesterday, after I was made which is why yesterday, after I was made aware which is why yesterday, after I was made aware of which is why yesterday, after I was made aware of a which is why yesterday, after I was made aware of a technical which is why yesterday, after I was made aware of a technical issue which is why yesterday, after I was made aware of a technical issue with made aware of a technical issue with the made aware of a technical issue with the portal made aware of a technical issue with the portal system, made aware of a technical issue with the portal system, I made aware of a technical issue with the portal system, I directed made aware of a technical issue with the portal system, I directed that made aware of a technical issue with the portal system, I directed that a the portal system, I directed that a new the portal system, I directed that a new IT the portal system, I directed that a new IT solution the portal system, I directed that a new IT solution be the portal system, I directed that a new IT solution be developed the portal system, I directed that a new IT solution be developed for the portal system, I directed that a new IT solution be developed for the new IT solution be developed for the collection new IT solution be developed for the collection of new IT solution be developed for the collection of that new IT solution be developed for the collection of that individual new IT solution be developed for the collection of that individual client collection of that individual client level collection of that individual client level data. collection of that individual client level data. As collection of that individual client level data. As I collection of that individual client level data. As I said collection of that individual client level data. As I said in collection of that individual client level data. As I said in the collection of that individual client level data. As I said in the House level data. As I said in the House yesterday, level data. As I said in the House yesterday, I level data. As I said in the House yesterday, I have level data. As I said in the House yesterday, I have also level data. As I said in the House yesterday, I have also directed level data. As I said in the House yesterday, I have also directed that yesterday, I have also directed that this yesterday, I have also directed that this new yesterday, I have also directed that this new system yesterday, I have also directed that this new system will yesterday, I have also directed that this new system will be this new system will be independently this new system will be independently assessed this new system will be independently assessed and this new system will be independently assessed and would independently assessed and would welcome independently assessed and would welcome the independently assessed and would welcome the Privacy independently assessed and would welcome the Privacy Commissioner's welcome the Privacy Commissioner's input, welcome the Privacy Commissioner's input, as welcome the Privacy Commissioner's input, as well. welcome the Privacy Commissioner's input, as well. I welcome the Privacy Commissioner's input, as well. I have welcome the Privacy Commissioner's input, as well. I have also welcome the Privacy Commissioner's input, as well. I have also asked input, as well. I have also asked that input, as well. I have also asked that the input, as well. I have also asked that the Government's input, as well. I have also asked that the Government's chief that the Government's chief information that the Government's chief information officer that the Government's chief information officer be that the Government's chief information officer be involved that the Government's chief information officer be involved in information officer be involved in this. information officer be involved in this. When information officer be involved in this. When the information officer be involved in this. When the minister information officer be involved in this. When the minister told information officer be involved in this. When the minister told this this. When the minister told this House, this. 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When the minister told this House, "Of course we're working House, "Of course we're working closely House, "Of course we're working closely with House, "Of course we're working closely with the House, "Of course we're working closely with the Privacy closely with the Privacy Commissioner closely with the Privacy Commissioner to closely with the Privacy Commissioner to ensure closely with the Privacy Commissioner to ensure that closely with the Privacy Commissioner to ensure that clients' Commissioner to ensure that clients' privacy Commissioner to ensure that clients' privacy rights Commissioner to ensure that clients' privacy rights are Commissioner to ensure that clients' privacy rights are protected", Commissioner to ensure that clients' privacy rights are protected", can privacy rights are protected", can she privacy rights are protected", can she tell privacy rights are protected", can she tell this privacy rights are protected", can she tell this House privacy rights are protected", can she tell this House if privacy rights are protected", can she tell this House if he privacy rights are protected", can she tell this House if he was she tell this House if he was briefed she tell this House if he was briefed on she tell this House if he was briefed on significant she tell this House if he was briefed on significant changes she tell this House if he was briefed on significant changes to briefed on significant changes to the briefed on significant changes to the policy briefed on significant changes to the policy after briefed on significant changes to the policy after first briefed on significant changes to the policy after first being the policy after first being consulted the policy after first being consulted in the policy after first being consulted in June? the policy after first being consulted in June? I the policy after first being consulted in June? I don't the policy after first being consulted in June? I don't have the policy after first being consulted in June? I don't have that consulted in June? I don't have that information. consulted in June? I don't have that information. What consulted in June? I don't have that information. What I consulted in June? I don't have that information. What I can consulted in June? I don't have that information. What I can - consulted in June? I don't have that information. What I can - have information. What I can - have assured information. What I can - have assured the information. What I can - have assured the House information. What I can - have assured the House on information. What I can - have assured the House on a information. What I can - have assured the House on a number information. What I can - have assured the House on a number of assured the House on a number of occasions assured the House on a number of occasions is assured the House on a number of occasions is that assured the House on a number of occasions is that I assured the House on a number of occasions is that I understood assured the House on a number of occasions is that I understood that occasions is that I understood that MSD occasions is that I understood that MSD was occasions is that I understood that MSD was working occasions is that I understood that MSD was working closely occasions is that I understood that MSD was working closely with occasions is that I understood that MSD was working closely with the MSD was working closely with the Office MSD was working closely with the Office of MSD was working closely with the Office of the MSD was working closely with the Office of the Privacy MSD was working closely with the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. Office of the Privacy Commissioner. The Office of the Privacy Commissioner. The details Office of the Privacy Commissioner. The details of Office of the Privacy Commissioner. The details of that Office of the Privacy Commissioner. The details of that I Office of the Privacy Commissioner. The details of that I leave Office of the Privacy Commissioner. The details of that I leave to Office of the Privacy Commissioner. The details of that I leave to the The details of that I leave to the MSD The details of that I leave to the MSD people The details of that I leave to the MSD people to The details of that I leave to the MSD people to work The details of that I leave to the MSD people to work through MSD people to work through themselves, MSD people to work through themselves, but MSD people to work through themselves, but in MSD people to work through themselves, but in my MSD people to work through themselves, but in my conversations themselves, but in my conversations with themselves, but in my conversations with the themselves, but in my conversations with the Privacy themselves, but in my conversations with the Privacy Commissioner, themselves, but in my conversations with the Privacy Commissioner, we with the Privacy Commissioner, we have with the Privacy Commissioner, we have traversed with the Privacy Commissioner, we have traversed all with the Privacy Commissioner, we have traversed all the with the Privacy Commissioner, we have traversed all the areas with the Privacy Commissioner, we have traversed all the areas that with the Privacy Commissioner, we have traversed all the areas that he have traversed all the areas that he covered have traversed all the areas that he covered in have traversed all the areas that he covered in his have traversed all the areas that he covered in his report, have traversed all the areas that he covered in his report, and have traversed all the areas that he covered in his report, and three have traversed all the areas that he covered in his report, and three of covered in his report, and three of the covered in his report, and three of the four covered in his report, and three of the four recommendations covered in his report, and three of the four recommendations I covered in his report, and three of the four recommendations I have covered in his report, and three of the four recommendations I have - covered in his report, and three of the four recommendations I have - I the four recommendations I have - I agree the four recommendations I have - I agree with the four recommendations I have - I agree with them the four recommendations I have - I agree with them and the four recommendations I have - I agree with them and have the four recommendations I have - I agree with them and have put the four recommendations I have - I agree with them and have put things agree with them and have put things into agree with them and have put things into action agree with them and have put things into action to agree with them and have put things into action to implement agree with them and have put things into action to implement his agree with them and have put things into action to implement his rmgss. into action to implement his rmgss. -- into action to implement his rmgss. -- his into action to implement his rmgss. -- his recommendations. into action to implement his rmgss. -- his recommendations. Did into action to implement his rmgss. -- his recommendations. Did the -- his recommendations. Did the minister -- his recommendations. Did the minister check -- his recommendations. Did the minister check the -- his recommendations. Did the minister check the Privacy minister check the Privacy Commissioner's minister check the Privacy Commissioner's view minister check the Privacy Commissioner's view on minister check the Privacy Commissioner's view on such minister check the Privacy Commissioner's view on such changes Commissioner's view on such changes as Commissioner's view on such changes as collecting Commissioner's view on such changes as collecting identifiable Commissioner's view on such changes as collecting identifiable data Commissioner's view on such changes as collecting identifiable data for as collecting identifiable data for sharing as collecting identifiable data for sharing and as collecting identifiable data for sharing and matching as collecting identifiable data for sharing and matching with as collecting identifiable data for sharing and matching with other sharing and matching with other agencies, sharing and matching with other agencies, instead sharing and matching with other agencies, instead of sharing and matching with other agencies, instead of the sharing and matching with other agencies, instead of the initial agencies, instead of the initial proposal agencies, instead of the initial proposal to agencies, instead of the initial proposal to use agencies, instead of the initial proposal to use anonymised agencies, instead of the initial proposal to use anonymised data agencies, instead of the initial proposal to use anonymised data for proposal to use anonymised data for research proposal to use anonymised data for research purposes? proposal to use anonymised data for research purposes? I proposal to use anonymised data for research purposes? I can't proposal to use anonymised data for research purposes? I can't answer research purposes? I can't answer that research purposes? I can't answer that question research purposes? I can't answer that question as research purposes? I can't answer that question as to research purposes? I can't answer that question as to whether research purposes? I can't answer that question as to whether MSD research purposes? I can't answer that question as to whether MSD was that question as to whether MSD was talking that question as to whether MSD was talking to that question as to whether MSD was talking to the that question as to whether MSD was talking to the Privacy that question as to whether MSD was talking to the Privacy Commissioner talking to the Privacy Commissioner about talking to the Privacy Commissioner about that talking to the Privacy Commissioner about that particular talking to the Privacy Commissioner about that particular issue. talking to the Privacy Commissioner about that particular issue. I talking to the Privacy Commissioner about that particular issue. I know about that particular issue. I know that about that particular issue. I know that I about that particular issue. I know that I have about that particular issue. I know that I have been about that particular issue. I know that I have been talking about that particular issue. I know that I have been talking to that I have been talking to providers that I have been talking to providers about that I have been talking to providers about that that I have been talking to providers about that process that I have been talking to providers about that process - that I have been talking to providers about that process - the providers about that process - the change providers about that process - the change in providers about that process - the change in processes providers about that process - the change in processes - providers about that process - the change in processes - for providers about that process - the change in processes - for almost providers about that process - the change in processes - for almost two change in processes - for almost two years. change in processes - for almost two years. Point change in processes - for almost two years. Point of change in processes - for almost two years. Point of order. change in processes - for almost two years. 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With his initial findings, and then , I think it was 10 March. With his initial findings, and then I , I think it was 10 March. 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through those findings and, as I say, of his four recommendations - I say, of his four recommendations - I don't say, of his four recommendations - I don't agree say, of his four recommendations - I don't agree with say, of his four recommendations - I don't agree with his say, of his four recommendations - I don't agree with his first don't agree with his first recommendation don't agree with his first recommendation about don't agree with his first recommendation about using recommendation about using Statistics recommendation about using Statistics NZ recommendation about using Statistics NZ and recommendation about using Statistics NZ and anonymised recommendation about using Statistics NZ and anonymised data Statistics NZ and anonymised data because Statistics NZ and anonymised data because whilst Statistics NZ and anonymised data because whilst that Statistics NZ and anonymised data because whilst that might Statistics NZ and anonymised data because whilst that might give Statistics NZ and anonymised data because whilst that might give us because whilst that might give us the because whilst that might give us the progress because whilst that might give us the progress that because whilst that might give us the progress that is because whilst that might give us the progress that is being because whilst that might give us the progress that is being made because whilst that might give us the progress that is being made by the progress that is being made by NGOs, the progress that is being made by NGOs, it the progress that is being made by NGOs, it doesn't the progress that is being made by NGOs, it doesn't give the progress that is being made by NGOs, it doesn't give us the progress that is being made by NGOs, it doesn't give us the NGOs, it doesn't give us the coverage, NGOs, it doesn't give us the coverage, so NGOs, it doesn't give us the coverage, so we NGOs, it doesn't give us the coverage, so we don't NGOs, it doesn't give us the coverage, so we don't know NGOs, it doesn't give us the coverage, so we don't know that coverage, so we don't know that everyone coverage, so we don't know that everyone who coverage, so we don't know that everyone who needs coverage, so we don't know that everyone who needs the coverage, so we don't know that everyone who needs the services coverage, so we don't know that everyone who needs the services are everyone who needs the services are actually everyone who needs the services are actually getting everyone who needs the services are actually getting that everyone who needs the services are actually getting that service, everyone who needs the services are actually getting that service, but actually getting that service, but certainly actually getting that service, but certainly his actually getting that service, but certainly his other actually getting that service, but certainly his other recommendations certainly his other recommendations - certainly his other recommendations - following certainly his other recommendations - following that certainly his other recommendations - following that meeting, certainly his other recommendations - following that meeting, I certainly his other recommendations - following that meeting, I did - following that meeting, I did discuss - following that meeting, I did discuss with - following that meeting, I did discuss with MSD - following that meeting, I did discuss with MSD working - following that meeting, I did discuss with MSD working up - following that meeting, I did discuss with MSD working up an discuss with MSD working up an exemptions discuss with MSD working up an exemptions regime, discuss with MSD working up an exemptions regime, as discuss with MSD working up an exemptions regime, as he discuss with MSD working up an exemptions regime, as he has exemptions regime, as he has recommended exemptions regime, as he has recommended in exemptions regime, as he has recommended in recommendation exemptions regime, as he has recommended in recommendation two. exemptions regime, as he has recommended in recommendation two. I recommended in recommendation two. I think recommended in recommendation two. I think recommendation recommended in recommendation two. I think recommendation three, recommended in recommendation two. I think recommendation three, I recommended in recommendation two. I think recommendation three, I have think recommendation three, I have made think recommendation three, I have made sure think recommendation three, I have made sure that think recommendation three, I have made sure that MSD think recommendation three, I have made sure that MSD has think recommendation three, I have made sure that MSD has been think recommendation three, I have made sure that MSD has been very made sure that MSD has been very clear made sure that MSD has been very clear what made sure that MSD has been very clear what the made sure that MSD has been very clear what the data made sure that MSD has been very clear what the data is made sure that MSD has been very clear what the data is needed made sure that MSD has been very clear what the data is needed for clear what the data is needed for and clear what the data is needed for and that clear what the data is needed for and that it clear what the data is needed for and that it won't clear what the data is needed for and that it won't be clear what the data is needed for and that it won't be used clear what the data is needed for and that it won't be used - clear what the data is needed for and that it won't be used - be and that it won't be used - be matched and that it won't be used - be matched with and that it won't be used - be matched with any and that it won't be used - be matched with any other and that it won't be used - be matched with any other Work and that it won't be used - be matched with any other Work and matched with any other Work and Income matched with any other Work and Income type matched with any other Work and Income type information. matched with any other Work and Income type information. And Income type information. And recommendation Income type information. And recommendation four, Income type information. And recommendation four, I Income type information. And recommendation four, I absolutely recommendation four, I absolutely agree, recommendation four, I absolutely agree, which recommendation four, I absolutely agree, which is recommendation four, I absolutely agree, which is why recommendation four, I absolutely agree, which is why I recommendation four, I absolutely agree, which is why I shut recommendation four, I absolutely agree, which is why I shut the agree, which is why I shut the portal agree, which is why I shut the portal down agree, which is why I shut the portal down yesterday. agree, which is why I shut the portal down yesterday. If agree, which is why I shut the portal down yesterday. If the portal down yesterday. If the minister portal down yesterday. If the minister read portal down yesterday. If the minister read in portal down yesterday. If the minister read in the portal down yesterday. If the minister read in the draft portal down yesterday. If the minister read in the draft report, minister read in the draft report, or minister read in the draft report, or knew, minister read in the draft report, or knew, that minister read in the draft report, or knew, that MSD minister read in the draft report, or knew, that MSD was minister read in the draft report, or knew, that MSD was collecting or knew, that MSD was collecting individual or knew, that MSD was collecting individual client or knew, that MSD was collecting individual client data or knew, that MSD was collecting individual client data via individual client data via spreadsheets, individual client data via spreadsheets, which individual client data via spreadsheets, which the individual client data via spreadsheets, which the Privacy spreadsheets, which the Privacy Commissioner spreadsheets, which the Privacy Commissioner says, spreadsheets, which the Privacy Commissioner says, "Lack spreadsheets, which the Privacy Commissioner says, "Lack in-built Commissioner says, "Lack in-built security Commissioner says, "Lack in-built security protection Commissioner says, "Lack in-built security protection and Commissioner says, "Lack in-built security protection and have Commissioner says, "Lack in-built security protection and have been security protection and have been associated security protection and have been associated with security protection and have been associated with significant security protection and have been associated with significant data associated with significant data breaches", associated with significant data breaches", why associated with significant data breaches", why didn't associated with significant data breaches", why didn't she associated with significant data breaches", why didn't she put associated with significant data breaches", why didn't she put a associated with significant data breaches", why didn't she put a stop breaches", why didn't she put a stop to breaches", why didn't she put a stop to the breaches", why didn't she put a stop to the collection breaches", why didn't she put a stop to the collection of breaches", why didn't she put a stop to the collection of data, breaches", why didn't she put a stop to the collection of data, rather to the collection of data, rather than to the collection of data, rather than waiting to the collection of data, rather than waiting for to the collection of data, rather than waiting for this to the collection of data, rather than waiting for this week's to the collection of data, rather than waiting for this week's breach than waiting for this week's breach to than waiting for this week's breach to happen? than waiting for this week's breach to happen? 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I have asked the chief executive level of detail. I have asked the chief executive of level of detail. I have asked the chief executive of MSD level of detail. I have asked the chief executive of MSD to level of detail. I have asked the chief executive of MSD to provide level of detail. I have asked the chief executive of MSD to provide me chief executive of MSD to provide me with chief executive of MSD to provide me with a chief executive of MSD to provide me with a detailed chief executive of MSD to provide me with a detailed report chief executive of MSD to provide me with a detailed report of chief executive of MSD to provide me with a detailed report of what with a detailed report of what happened with a detailed report of what happened and with a detailed report of what happened and how with a detailed report of what happened and how this with a detailed report of what happened and how this process with a detailed report of what happened and how this process was happened and how this process was developed, happened and how this process was developed, because happened and how this process was developed, because I happened and how this process was developed, because I did happened and how this process was developed, because I did not, happened and how this process was developed, because I did not, as happened and how this process was developed, because I did not, as a developed, because I did not, as a minister, developed, because I did not, as a minister, have developed, because I did not, as a minister, have operational developed, because I did not, as a minister, have operational oversight minister, have operational oversight of minister, have operational oversight of it, minister, have operational oversight of it, but minister, have operational oversight of it, but I minister, have operational oversight of it, but I agree minister, have operational oversight of it, but I agree with minister, have operational oversight of it, but I agree with the minister, have operational oversight of it, but I agree with the Privacy of it, but I agree with the Privacy Commissioner of it, but I agree with the Privacy Commissioner that of it, but I agree with the Privacy Commissioner that that of it, but I agree with the Privacy Commissioner that that is of it, but I agree with the Privacy Commissioner that that is not of it, but I agree with the Privacy Commissioner that that is not the Commissioner that that is not the correct Commissioner that that is not the correct way Commissioner that that is not the correct way to Commissioner that that is not the correct way to develop Commissioner that that is not the correct way to develop a Commissioner that that is not the correct way to develop a system Commissioner that that is not the correct way to develop a system like correct way to develop a system like this, correct way to develop a system like this, and as I've correct way to develop a system like this, and as I've just correct way to develop a system like this, and as I've just said correct way to develop a system like this, and as I've just said to correct way to develop a system like this, and as I've just said to the this, and as I've just said to the media, this, and as I've just said to the media, I'm this, and as I've just said to the media, I'm furious this, and as I've just said to the media, I'm furious and this, and as I've just said to the media, I'm furious and disappointed media, I'm furious and disappointed that media, I'm furious and disappointed that the media, I'm furious and disappointed that the agency media, I'm furious and disappointed that the agency seems media, I'm furious and disappointed that the agency seems to media, I'm furious and disappointed that the agency seems to have media, I'm furious and disappointed that the agency seems to have taken that the agency seems to have taken shortcuts. How How can How can the How can the public How can the public trust How can the public trust the How can the public trust the Minister How can the public trust the Minister to How can the public trust the Minister to protect How can the public trust the Minister to protect their How can the public trust the Minister to protect their privacy Minister to protect their privacy when Minister to protect their privacy when she's Minister to protect their privacy when she's been Minister to protect their privacy when she's been completely Minister to protect their privacy when she's been completely missing when she's been completely missing in when she's been completely missing in action when she's been completely missing in action on when she's been completely missing in action on core when she's been completely missing in action on core protections when she's been completely missing in action on core protections of in action on core protections of privacy, in action on core protections of privacy, in in action on core protections of privacy, in terms in action on core protections of privacy, in terms of in action on core protections of privacy, in terms of ensuring in action on core protections of privacy, in terms of ensuring that privacy, in terms of ensuring that the privacy, in terms of ensuring that the data privacy, in terms of ensuring that the data brace privacy, in terms of ensuring that the data brace system privacy, in terms of ensuring that the data brace system was privacy, in terms of ensuring that the data brace system was able privacy, in terms of ensuring that the data brace system was able to the data brace system was able to protect the data brace system was able to protect their the data brace system was able to protect their privacy, the data brace system was able to protect their privacy, ensuring the data brace system was able to protect their privacy, ensuring that protect their privacy, ensuring that a protect their privacy, ensuring that a ceasement protect their privacy, ensuring that a ceasement was protect their privacy, ensuring that a ceasement was done protect their privacy, ensuring that a ceasement was done in protect their privacy, ensuring that a ceasement was done in the protect their privacy, ensuring that a ceasement was done in the first a ceasement was done in the first place a ceasement was done in the first place and a ceasement was done in the first place and even a ceasement was done in the first place and even finding a ceasement was done in the first place and even finding out a ceasement was done in the first place and even finding out if a ceasement was done in the first place and even finding out if the place and even finding out if the Privacy place and even finding out if the Privacy Commissioner place and even finding out if the Privacy Commissioner had place and even finding out if the Privacy Commissioner had been Privacy Commissioner had been consulted Privacy Commissioner had been consulted en Privacy Commissioner had been consulted en massive Privacy Commissioner had been consulted en massive changes? Privacy Commissioner had been consulted en massive changes? The consulted en massive changes? The Hon consulted en massive changes? The Hon Anne consulted en massive changes? The Hon Anne Tolley. consulted en massive changes? The Hon Anne Tolley. The consulted en massive changes? The Hon Anne Tolley. The public consulted en massive changes? The Hon Anne Tolley. The public can consulted en massive changes? The Hon Anne Tolley. The public can have Hon Anne Tolley. The public can have confidence Hon Anne Tolley. The public can have confidence because Hon Anne Tolley. The public can have confidence because I Hon Anne Tolley. The public can have confidence because I shut Hon Anne Tolley. The public can have confidence because I shut the Hon Anne Tolley. The public can have confidence because I shut the portal confidence because I shut the portal down confidence because I shut the portal down immediately confidence because I shut the portal down immediately I confidence because I shut the portal down immediately I became confidence because I shut the portal down immediately I became aware confidence because I shut the portal down immediately I became aware it down immediately I became aware it was down immediately I became aware it was not down immediately I became aware it was not secure down immediately I became aware it was not secure and down immediately I became aware it was not secure and I down immediately I became aware it was not secure and I have down immediately I became aware it was not secure and I have said down immediately I became aware it was not secure and I have said it was not secure and I have said it will was not secure and I have said it will not was not secure and I have said it will not - was not secure and I have said it will not - we was not secure and I have said it will not - we will was not secure and I have said it will not - we will not was not secure and I have said it will not - we will not upload was not secure and I have said it will not - we will not upload any will not - we will not upload any data will not - we will not upload any data until, will not - we will not upload any data until, not will not - we will not upload any data until, not only will not - we will not upload any data until, not only myself, will not - we will not upload any data until, not only myself, but will not - we will not upload any data until, not only myself, but the data until, not only myself, but the Privacy data until, not only myself, but the Privacy Commissioner, data until, not only myself, but the Privacy Commissioner, and data until, not only myself, but the Privacy Commissioner, and the Privacy Commissioner, and the Government Privacy Commissioner, and the Government information Privacy Commissioner, and the Government information officer Privacy Commissioner, and the Government information officer are Government information officer are content Government information officer are data Government information officer are content that it Government information officer are content that it is Government information officer are content that it is a Government information officer are content that it is a secure Government information officer are content that it is a secure system. content that it is a secure system. It content that it is a secure system. It is content that it is a secure system. It is absolutely content that it is a secure system. It is absolutely critical content that it is a secure system. It is absolutely critical that content that it is a secure system. It is absolutely critical that it content that it is a secure system. It is absolutely critical that it is It is absolutely critical that it is secure It is absolutely critical that it is secure and It is absolutely critical that it is secure and that It is absolutely critical that it is secure and that people's It is absolutely critical that it is secure and that people's privacy It is absolutely critical that it is secure and that people's privacy is secure and that people's privacy is respected. secure and that people's privacy is respected. Question secure and that people's privacy is respected. Question No. secure and that people's privacy is respected. Question No. 6. secure and that people's privacy is respected. Question No. 6. Simon respected. Question No. 6. Simon O'Connor. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: My question is to the Minister of Transport: What My question is to the Minister of Transport: What employment of Transport: What employment opportunities of Transport: What employment opportunities are of Transport: What employment opportunities are being of Transport: What employment opportunities are being created opportunities are being created by opportunities are being created by the opportunities are being created by the construction by the construction of by the construction of the by the construction of the City by the construction of the City Rail by the construction of the City Rail Link by the construction of the City Rail Link in by the construction of the City Rail Link in Auckland? The The Hon The Hon Simon The Hon Simon Bridges. The Hon Simon Bridges. Construction The Hon Simon Bridges. Construction of The Hon Simon Bridges. Construction of the The Hon Simon Bridges. Construction of the CityRail The Hon Simon Bridges. Construction of the CityRail Link The Hon Simon Bridges. Construction of the CityRail Link is The Hon Simon Bridges. Construction of the CityRail Link is already of the CityRail Link is already bringing of the CityRail Link is already bringing economic of the CityRail Link is already bringing economic benefits of the CityRail Link is already bringing economic benefits by bringing economic benefits by creating bringing economic benefits by creating hundreds bringing economic benefits by creating hundreds of bringing economic benefits by creating hundreds of employment creating hundreds of employment opportunities. creating hundreds of employment opportunities. It creating hundreds of employment opportunities. It is creating hundreds of employment opportunities. It is estimated creating hundreds of employment opportunities. It is estimated the opportunities. It is estimated the project opportunities. It is estimated the project will opportunities. It is estimated the project will see opportunities. It is estimated the project will see about opportunities. It is estimated the project will see about 600 opportunities. It is estimated the project will see about 600 general project will see about 600 general construction project will see about 600 general construction workers project will see about 600 general construction workers employed project will see about 600 general construction workers employed and project will see about 600 general construction workers employed and an construction workers employed and an estimated construction workers employed and an estimated 1,600 construction workers employed and an estimated 1,600 jobs construction workers employed and an estimated 1,600 jobs at construction workers employed and an estimated 1,600 jobs at the construction workers employed and an estimated 1,600 jobs at the peak construction workers employed and an estimated 1,600 jobs at the peak of estimated 1,600 jobs at the peak of works estimated 1,600 jobs at the peak of works and estimated 1,600 jobs at the peak of works and the estimated 1,600 jobs at the peak of works and the members estimated 1,600 jobs at the peak of works and the members opposite estimated 1,600 jobs at the peak of works and the members opposite can works and the members opposite can apply, works and the members opposite can apply, if works and the members opposite can apply, if that works and the members opposite can apply, if that is works and the members opposite can apply, if that is what works and the members opposite can apply, if that is what they works and the members opposite can apply, if that is what they need works and the members opposite can apply, if that is what they need to apply, if that is what they need to do, apply, if that is what they need to do, post-election. apply, if that is what they need to do, post-election. When apply, if that is what they need to do, post-election. When the apply, if that is what they need to do, post-election. When the CRL apply, if that is what they need to do, post-election. When the CRL as do, post-election. When the CRL as New do, post-election. When the CRL as New Zealand's do, post-election. When the CRL as New Zealand's largest do, post-election. When the CRL as New Zealand's largest infrastructure New Zealand's largest infrastructure project New Zealand's largest infrastructure estimated New Zealand's largest infrastructure project or I New Zealand's largest infrastructure project or I should New Zealand's largest infrastructure project or I should say New Zealand's largest infrastructure project or I should say "while New Zealand's largest infrastructure project or I should say "while it project or I should say "while it is", project or I should say "while it is", it project or I should say "while it is", it is project or I should say "while it is", it is just project or I should say "while it is", it is just one project or I should say "while it is", it is just one of project or I should say "while it is", it is just one of many is", it is just one of many significant is", it is just one of many significant projects is", it is just one of many significant projects across significant projects across Auckland. significant projects across Auckland. Others significant projects across Auckland. Others include significant projects across Auckland. Others include the Auckland. Others include the soon-to-be Auckland. Others include the soon-to-be open Auckland. Others include the soon-to-be open Water Auckland. Others include the soon-to-be open Water Tunnel Auckland. Others include the soon-to-be open Water Tunnel and Auckland. Others include the soon-to-be open Water Tunnel and the soon-to-be open Water Tunnel and the East-West soon-to-be open Water Tunnel and the East-West Highway soon-to-be open Water Tunnel and the East-West Highway and soon-to-be open Water Tunnel and the East-West Highway and improvements East-West Highway and improvements to East-West Highway and improvements to the East-West Highway and improvements to the highway East-West Highway and improvements to the highway to East-West Highway and improvements to the highway to the East-West Highway and improvements to the highway to the airport East-West Highway and improvements to the highway to the airport and to the highway to the airport and widening to the highway to the airport and widening of to the highway to the airport and widening of the to the highway to the airport and widening of the Southern to the highway to the airport and widening of the Southern and widening of the Southern and Northern widening of the Southern and Northern motorways. widening of the Southern and Northern motorways. 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We continue to construct more by value than ever before Auckland. We continue to construct more by value than ever before in more by value than ever before in order more by value than ever before in order to more by value than ever before in order to respond more by value than ever before in order to respond to more by value than ever before in order to respond to and more by value than ever before in order to respond to and support more by value than ever before in order to respond to and support the order to respond to and support the strong order to respond to and support the strong economic order to respond to and support the strong economic growth order to respond to and support the strong economic growth we order to respond to and support the strong economic growth we are strong economic growth we are seeing. strong economic growth we are seeing. Supplementary strong economic growth we are seeing. Supplementary question. seeing. Supplementary question. Order. seeing. 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I seek leave to table material showing that leave to table material showing that the leave to table material showing that the Auckland leave to table material showing that the Auckland Regional leave to table material showing that the Auckland Regional Public the Auckland Regional Public Health's the Auckland Regional Public of the Auckland Regional Public Health's funding has the Auckland Regional Public Health's funding has not the Auckland Regional Public Health's funding has not kept the Auckland Regional Public Health's funding has not kept pace Health's funding has not kept pace with Health's funding has not kept pace with the Health's funding has not kept pace with the population Health's funding has not kept pace with the population growth Health's funding has not kept pace with the population growth in with the population growth in Auckland with the population growth in with with the population growth in Auckland under his with the population growth in Auckland under his watch. with the population growth in Auckland under his watch. I with the population growth in Auckland under his watch. I need with the population growth in Auckland under his watch. I need the Auckland under his watch. I need the source Auckland under his watch. I need the source and Auckland under his watch. I need the source and date Auckland under his watch. I need the source and date of Auckland under his watch. I need the source and date of the Auckland under his watch. I need the source and date of the document? Auckland under his watch. I need the source and date of the document? The source and date of the document? The Parliamentary source and date of the document? The Parliamentary Library source and date of the document? The Parliamentary Library and source and date of the document? The Parliamentary Library and it source and date of the document? The Parliamentary Library and it is Parliamentary Library and it is sourced Parliamentary Library and it is sourced yesterday. Parliamentary Library and it is sourced yesterday. I Parliamentary Library and it is sourced yesterday. I will Parliamentary Library and it is sourced yesterday. I will put Parliamentary Library and it is sourced yesterday. I will put the sourced yesterday. I will put the leave sourced yesterday. I will put the leave and sourced yesterday. I will put the leave and the sourced yesterday. I will put the leave and the House sourced yesterday. I will put the leave and the House will sourced yesterday. I will put the leave and the House will decide. leave and the House will decide. Leave leave and the House will decide. Leave is leave and the House will decide. Leave is sought leave and the House will decide. Leave is sought to leave and the House will decide. Leave is sought to document leave and the House will decide. Leave is sought to document that Leave is sought to document that information Leave is sought to document that information from Leave is sought to document that information from the Leave is sought to document that information from the Parliamentary information from the Parliamentary Library. information from the Parliamentary Library. Any information from the Parliamentary Library. Any objection information from the Parliamentary Library. Any objection to information from the Parliamentary Library. Any objection to it information from the Parliamentary Library. Any objection to it being Library. Any objection to it being tabled? Library. Any objection to it being tabled? There Library. Any objection to it being tabled? There is Library. Any objection to it being tabled? There is not. Library. Any objection to it being tabled? There is not. It Library. Any objection to it being tabled? There is not. It can Library. Any objection to it being tabled? There is not. It can be tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Question tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Question No. tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Question No. 8. tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Question No. 8. Marama tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Question No. 8. Marama Fox. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Building My question is to the Minister for Building and My question is to the Minister for Building and Construction: for Building and Construction: What for Building and Construction: What efforts for Building and Construction: What efforts is for Building and Construction: What efforts is he for Building and Construction: What efforts is he taking for Building and Construction: What efforts is he taking to for Building and Construction: What efforts is he taking to ensure What efforts is he taking to ensure the What efforts is he taking to ensure the rights What efforts is he taking to ensure the rights and What efforts is he taking to ensure the rights and interests the rights and interests of the rights and interests of Ngati the rights and interests of Ngati Paoa the rights and interests of Ngati Paoa are the rights and interests of Ngati Paoa are being the rights and interests of Ngati Paoa are being provided of Ngati Paoa are being provided for of Ngati Paoa are being provided for through of Ngati Paoa are being provided for through the of Ngati Paoa are being provided for through the Point of Ngati Paoa are being provided for through the Point England for through the Point England Development for through the Point England Development Enabling for through the Point England Development Enabling Bill? The The Hon The Hon Nick The Hon Nick Smith. The Hon Nick Smith. The The Hon Nick Smith. The bill The Hon Nick Smith. The bill is The Hon Nick Smith. The bill is part The Hon Nick Smith. The bill is part of The Hon Nick Smith. The bill is part of Ngati The Hon Nick Smith. The bill is part of Ngati Paoa's The Hon Nick Smith. The bill is part of Ngati Paoa's Treaty The Hon Nick Smith. The bill is part of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement and of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement and enables of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement and enables them of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement and enables them to of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement and enables them to have of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement and enables them to have a of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement and enables them to have a marae of Ngati Paoa's Treaty settlement and enables them to have a marae and and enables them to have a marae and housing and enables them to have a marae and housing on and enables them to have a marae and housing on land and enables them to have a marae and housing on land that and enables them to have a marae and housing on land that has and enables them to have a marae and housing on land that has been and enables them to have a marae and housing on land that has been grazed housing on land that has been grazed by housing on land that has been grazed by cows housing on land that has been grazed by cows for housing on land that has been grazed by cows for 30 housing on land that has been grazed by cows for 30 years. housing on land that has been grazed by cows for 30 years. The housing on land that has been grazed by cows for 30 years. The site housing on land that has been grazed by cows for 30 years. The site is housing on land that has been grazed by cows for 30 years. The site is of by cows for 30 years. The site is of huge by cows for 30 years. The site is of huge cultural by cows for 30 years. The site is of huge cultural significance by cows for 30 years. The site is of huge cultural significance to by cows for 30 years. The site is of huge cultural significance to Ngati huge cultural significance to Ngati Paoa huge cultural significance to Ngati Paoa and huge cultural significance to Ngati Paoa and was huge cultural significance to Ngati Paoa and was reported huge cultural significance to Ngati Paoa and was reported in huge cultural significance to Ngati Paoa and was reported in the huge cultural significance to Ngati Paoa and was reported in the 1820s Paoa and was reported in the 1820s to Paoa and was reported in the 1820s to be Paoa and was reported in the 1820s to be the Paoa and was reported in the 1820s to be the site Paoa and was reported in the 1820s to be the site of Paoa and was reported in the 1820s to be the site of the Paoa and was reported in the 1820s to be the site of the most Paoa and was reported in the 1820s to be the site of the most intensive to be the site of the most intensive Maori to be the site of the most intensive Maori settlement to be the site of the most intensive Maori settlement in to be the site of the most intensive Maori settlement in New to be the site of the most intensive Maori settlement in New Zealand. to be the site of the most intensive Maori settlement in New Zealand. The Maori settlement in New Zealand. The bill Maori settlement in New Zealand. The bill will Maori settlement in New Zealand. The bill will result Maori settlement in New Zealand. The bill will result in Maori settlement in New Zealand. The bill will result in an Maori settlement in New Zealand. The bill will result in an area Maori settlement in New Zealand. The bill will result in an area of Maori settlement in New Zealand. The bill will result in an area of 18 bill will result in an area of 18 hectares bill will result in an area of 18 hectares no bill will result in an area of 18 hectares no longer bill will result in an area of 18 hectares no longer being bill will result in an area of 18 hectares no longer being fenced bill will result in an area of 18 hectares no longer being fenced off hectares no longer being fenced off for hectares no longer being fenced off for grazing, hectares no longer being fenced off for grazing, 2 hectares no longer being fenced off for grazing, 2 hectares hectares no longer being fenced off for grazing, 2 hectares being hectares no longer being fenced off for grazing, 2 hectares being used for grazing, 2 hectares being used asthma for grazing, 2 hectares being used asthma rye for grazing, 2 hectares being used asthma rye for for grazing, 2 hectares being used asthma rye for Ngati for grazing, 2 hectares being used asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, for grazing, 2 hectares being used asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, 12 asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, 12 hectares asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, 12 hectares for asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, 12 hectares for 300 asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, 12 hectares for 300 new asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, 12 hectares for 300 new homes asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, 12 hectares for 300 new homes and asthma rye for Ngati Paoa, 12 hectares for 300 new homes and an hectares for 300 new homes and an additional hectares for 300 new homes and an additional 4 hectares for 300 new homes and an additional 4 hectares hectares for 300 new homes and an additional 4 hectares for hectares for 300 new homes and an additional 4 hectares for amenity additional 4 hectares for amenity and additional 4 hectares for amenity and recreation. additional 4 hectares for amenity and recreation. I additional 4 hectares for amenity and recreation. I think additional 4 hectares for amenity and recreation. I think it additional 4 hectares for amenity and recreation. I think it is additional 4 hectares for amenity and recreation. I think it is unfair and recreation. I think it is unfair for and recreation. I think it is unfair for people and recreation. I think it is unfair for people to and recreation. I think it is unfair for people to cry and recreation. I think it is unfair for people to cry foul and recreation. I think it is unfair for people to cry foul over and recreation. I think it is unfair for people to cry foul over Ngati for people to cry foul over Ngati Paoa for people to cry foul over Ngati Paoa using for people to cry foul over Ngati Paoa using land for people to cry foul over Ngati Paoa using land for for people to cry foul over Ngati Paoa using land for marae for people to cry foul over Ngati Paoa using land for marae and Paoa using land for marae and housing Paoa using land for marae and housing when Paoa using land for marae and housing when the Paoa using land for marae and housing when the same Paoa using land for marae and housing when the same people Paoa using land for marae and housing when the same people have housing when the same people have been housing when the same people have been silent housing when the same people have been silent for housing when the same people have been silent for 30 housing when the same people have been silent for 30 years housing when the same people have been silent for 30 years over housing when the same people have been silent for 30 years over the been silent for 30 years over the land been silent for 30 years over the land being been silent for 30 years over the land being used been silent for 30 years over the land being used for been silent for 30 years over the land being used for grazing been silent for 30 years over the land being used for grazing cows. land being used for grazing cows. Supplementary land being used for grazing cows. Supplementary question, land being used for grazing cows. Supplementary question, Marama land being used for grazing cows. Supplementary question, Marama Fox. Supplementary question, Marama Fox. What Supplementary question, Marama Fox. What reports Supplementary question, Marama Fox. What reports has Supplementary question, Marama Fox. What reports has the Supplementary question, Marama Fox. What reports has the Minister Supplementary question, Marama Fox. What reports has the Minister read What reports has the Minister read recently What reports has the Minister read recently in What reports has the Minister read recently in support What reports has the Minister read recently in support of What reports has the Minister read recently in support of the What reports has the Minister read recently in support of the Point recently in support of the Point England recently in support of the Point England Development recently in support of the Point England Development Enabling recently in support of the Point England Development Enabling Bill England Development Enabling Bill point England Development Enabling Bill point bill? England Development Enabling Bill point bill? I England Development Enabling Bill point bill? I was England Development Enabling Bill point bill? I was encouraged England Development Enabling Bill point bill? I was encouraged that point bill? I was encouraged that the point bill? I was encouraged that the bill point bill? I was encouraged that the bill was point bill? I was encouraged that the bill was unanimously point bill? I was encouraged that the bill was unanimously supported the bill was unanimously supported to the bill was unanimously supported to parliament the bill was unanimously supported to parliament when the bill was unanimously supported to parliament when it the bill was unanimously supported to parliament when it was to parliament when it was introduced. to parliament when it was to to parliament when it was introduced. I particularly to parliament when it was introduced. I particularly agreed introduced. I particularly agreed with introduced. I particularly agreed with the introduced. I particularly agreed with the comments introduced. I particularly agreed with the comments that introduced. I particularly agreed with the comments that the introduced. I particularly agreed with the comments that the bill introduced. I particularly agreed with the comments that the bill was with the comments that the bill was an with the comments that the bill was an important with the comments that the bill was an important Treaty with the comments that the bill was an important Treaty settlement with the comments that the bill was an important Treaty settlement for an important Treaty settlement for Auckland, an important Treaty settlement for Auckland, that an important Treaty settlement for Auckland, that it an important Treaty settlement for Auckland, that it was an important Treaty settlement for Auckland, that it was a an important Treaty settlement for Auckland, that it was a win-win an important Treaty settlement for Auckland, that it was a win-win for Auckland, that it was a win-win for both Auckland, that it was a win-win for both the Auckland, that it was a win-win for both the community Auckland, that it was a win-win for both the community and Auckland, that it was a win-win for both the community and iwi Auckland, that it was a win-win for both the community and iwi and Auckland, that it was a win-win for both the community and iwi and the both the community and iwi and the same both the community and iwi and the same person both the community and iwi and the same person saying both the community and iwi and the same person saying that both the community and iwi and the same person saying that housing both the community and iwi and the same person saying that housing and same person saying that housing and the same person saying that housing and the marae same person saying that housing and the marae was same person saying that housing and the marae was much same person saying that housing and the marae was much better same person saying that housing and the marae was much better use same person saying that housing and the marae was much better use of same person saying that housing and the marae was much better use of the the marae was much better use of the land the marae was much better use of the land then the marae was much better use of the land then grazing the marae was much better use of the land then grazing cows. the marae was much better use of the land then grazing cows. The the marae was much better use of the land then grazing cows. The same land then grazing cows. The same member land then grazing cows. The same member also land then grazing cows. The same member also described land then grazing cows. The same member also described the land then grazing cows. The same member also described the bill land then grazing cows. The same member also described the bill as member also described the bill as "fantastic" member also described the bill as "fantastic" and member also described the bill as "fantastic" and "exciting" member also described the bill as "fantastic" and "exciting" for member also described the bill as "fantastic" and "exciting" for Tam "fantastic" and "exciting" for Tam ka "fantastic" and "exciting" for Tam "fantastic" "fantastic" and "exciting" for Tam ka iwi. I "fantastic" and "exciting" for Tam ka iwi. I am "fantastic" and "exciting" for Tam ka iwi. I am surprised "fantastic" and "exciting" for Tam ka iwi. I am surprised that "fantastic" and "exciting" for Tam ka iwi. I am surprised that member ka iwi. I am surprised that member now ka iwi. I am surprised that member now has ka iwi. I am surprised that member now has been ka iwi. I am surprised that member now has been vetoed ka iwi. I am surprised that member now has been vetoed by ka iwi. I am surprised that member now has been vetoed by his now has been vetoed by his colleagues. now has been vetoed by his colleagues. Supplementary now has been vetoed by his colleagues. Supplementary question. colleagues. Supplementary question. Supplementary colleagues. Supplementary question. Supplementary question, colleagues. Supplementary question. Supplementary question, Phil Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why won't Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why won't he Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why won't he adopt Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why won't he adopt Labour' Twyford. Why won't he adopt Labour' plan Twyford. Why won't he adopt Labour' plan that Twyford. Why won't he adopt Labour' plan that would Twyford. Why won't he adopt Labour' plan that would offer Twyford. Why won't he adopt Labour' plan that would offer Ngati Twyford. Why won't he adopt Labour' plan that would offer Ngati Paoa Twyford. Why won't he adopt Labour' plan that would offer Ngati Paoa Tam plan that would offer Ngati Paoa Tam ki plan that would offer Ngati Paoa Tam ki regeneration plan that would offer Ngati Paoa Tam ki regeneration company plan that would offer Ngati Paoa Tam ki regeneration company land plan that would offer Ngati Paoa Tam ki regeneration company land for ki regeneration company land for their ki regeneration company land for their housing ki regeneration company land for their housing project ki regeneration company land for their housing project that ki regeneration company land for their housing project that would their housing project that would offer their housing project that would offer Ngati their housing project that would offer Ngati Paoa their housing project that would offer Ngati Paoa shared their housing project that would offer Ngati Paoa shared governance offer Ngati Paoa shared governance of offer Ngati Paoa shared governance of the offer Ngati Paoa shared governance of the Point offer Ngati Paoa shared governance of the Point England offer Ngati Paoa shared governance of the Point England Reserve offer Ngati Paoa shared governance of the Point England Reserve and of the Point England Reserve and land of the Point England Reserve and land for of the Point England Reserve and land for marae of the Point England Reserve and land for marae but of the Point England Reserve and land for marae but leave of the Point England Reserve and land for marae but leave one of the Point England Reserve and land for marae but leave one of land for marae but leave one of Auckland's land for marae but leave one of Auckland's best land for marae but leave one of Auckland's best expanses land for marae but leave one of Auckland's best expanses of land for marae but leave one of Auckland's best expanses of Auckland Auckland's best expanses of Auckland parkland Auckland's best expanses of Auckland parkland as Auckland's best expanses of Auckland parkland as parkland Auckland's best expanses of Auckland parkland as parkland for Auckland's best expanses of Auckland parkland as parkland for future parkland as parkland for future generations parkland as parkland for future parkland parkland as parkland for future generations to enjoy? parkland as parkland for future generations to enjoy? Order! parkland as parkland for future generations to enjoy? Order! Order! generations to enjoy? Order! Order! Order! generations to enjoy? Order! Order! Order! Mr generations to enjoy? Order! Order! Order! Mr Bishop, generations to enjoy? Order! Order! Order! Mr Bishop, if generations to enjoy? Order! Order! Order! Mr Bishop, if you generations to enjoy? Order! Order! Order! Mr Bishop, if you interject Order! Mr Bishop, if you interject again Order! Mr Bishop, if you interject again in Order! Mr Bishop, if you interject again in question Order! Mr Bishop, if you interject again in question time Order! Mr Bishop, if you interject again in question time you Order! Mr Bishop, if you interject again in question time you will Order! Mr Bishop, if you interject again in question time you will be again in question time you will be getting again in question time you will be getting that again in question time you will be getting that early again in question time you will be getting that early shower. again in question time you will be getting that early shower. The again in question time you will be getting that early shower. The Hon getting that early shower. The Hon Nick getting that early shower. The Hon Nick Smith. getting that early shower. The Hon Nick Smith. The getting that early shower. The Hon Nick Smith. The member getting that early shower. The Hon Nick Smith. The member forgot getting that early shower. The Hon Nick Smith. The member forgot to Nick Smith. The member forgot to mention Nick Smith. The member forgot to mention that Nick Smith. The member forgot to mention that the Nick Smith. The member forgot to mention that the open Nick Smith. The member forgot to mention that the open parkland Nick Smith. The member forgot to mention that the open parkland has mention that the open parkland has had mention that the open parkland has had 18 mention that the open parkland has had 18 hectares mention that the open parkland has had 18 hectares fenced mention that the open parkland has had 18 hectares fenced off mention that the open parkland has had 18 hectares fenced off for had 18 hectares fenced off for grazing had 18 hectares fenced off for grazing cows had 18 hectares fenced off for grazing cows for had 18 hectares fenced off for grazing cows for 30 had 18 hectares fenced off for grazing cows for 30 years! had 18 hectares fenced off for grazing cows for 30 years! Why had 18 hectares fenced off for grazing cows for 30 years! Why the grazing cows for 30 years! Why the member grazing cows for 30 years! Why the member thinks grazing cows for 30 years! Why the member thinks it grazing cows for 30 years! Why the member thinks it is grazing cows for 30 years! Why the member thinks it is OK grazing cows for 30 years! Why the member thinks it is OK for grazing cows for 30 years! Why the member thinks it is OK for the member thinks it is OK for the Reserve member thinks it is OK for the Reserve to member thinks it is OK for the Reserve to have member thinks it is OK for the Reserve to have grazing member thinks it is OK for the Reserve to have grazing cows, member thinks it is OK for the Reserve to have grazing cows, but Reserve to have grazing cows, but not Reserve to have grazing cows, but not for Reserve to have grazing cows, but not for Ngati Reserve to have grazing cows, but not for Ngati Paoa Reserve to have grazing cows, but not for Ngati Paoa to Reserve to have grazing cows, but not for Ngati Paoa to have Reserve to have grazing cows, but not for Ngati Paoa to have a Reserve to have grazing cows, but not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae has not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae has me not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae has me lost not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae has me lost and not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae has me lost and why not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae has me lost and why that not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae has me lost and why that member, not for Ngati Paoa to have a marae has me lost and why that member, who has me lost and why that member, who constantly has me lost and why that member, who constantly asks has me lost and why that member, who constantly asks for has me lost and why that member, who constantly asks for more has me lost and why that member, who constantly asks for more homes has me lost and why that member, who constantly asks for more homes to has me lost and why that member, who constantly asks for more homes to be constantly asks for more homes to be built, constantly asks for more homes to be built, would constantly asks for more homes to be built, would much constantly asks for more homes to be built, would much rather constantly asks for more homes to be built, would much rather have constantly asks for more homes to be built, would much rather have cows built, would much rather have cows grazed built, would much rather have cows grazed in built, would much rather have cows grazed in Auckland. built, would much rather have cows grazed in Auckland. Supplementary grazed in Auckland. Supplementary question. grazed in Auckland. Supplementary question. Order! grazed in Auckland. Supplementary question. Order! How grazed in Auckland. Supplementary question. Order! How dare grazed in Auckland. Supplementary question. Order! How dare they grazed in Auckland. Supplementary question. Order! How dare they build question. Order! How dare they build affordable question. Order! How dare they build affordable homes! question. Order! How dare they build affordable homes! Supplementary affordable homes! Supplementary question, affordable homes! Supplementary question, Marama affordable homes! Supplementary question, Marama Fox. affordable homes! Supplementary question, Marama Fox. Thank affordable homes! Supplementary question, Marama Fox. Thank you. question, Marama Fox. Thank you. Given question, Marama Fox. Thank you. Given the question, Marama Fox. Thank you. Given the provisions question, Marama Fox. Thank you. Given the provisions of question, Marama Fox. Thank you. Given the provisions of the question, Marama Fox. Thank you. Given the provisions of the Point Given the provisions of the Point England Given the provisions of the Point England Development Given the provisions of the Point England Development Enabling Given the provisions of the Point England Development Enabling Bill Given the provisions of the Point England Development Enabling Bill, England Development Enabling Bill, does England Development Enabling Bill, does he England Development Enabling Bill, does he agree England Development Enabling Bill, does he agree with England Development Enabling Bill, does he agree with the England Development Enabling Bill, does he agree with the chief does he agree with the chief executive does he agree with the chief executive of does he agree with the chief executive of Ngati does he agree with the chief executive of Ngati Paoa does he agree with the chief executive of Ngati Paoa when does he agree with the chief executive of Ngati Paoa when he executive of Ngati Paoa when he says, executive of Ngati Paoa when he says, "By executive of Ngati Paoa when he says, "By opposing executive of Ngati Paoa when he says, "By opposing the executive of Ngati Paoa when he says, "By opposing the ledgion, says, "By opposing the ledgion, Labour says, "By opposing the ledgion, Labour is says, "By opposing the ledgion, Labour is opposing says, "By opposing the ledgion, Labour is opposing a says, "By opposing the ledgion, Labour is opposing a Treaty Labour is opposing a Treaty Settlement Labour is opposing a Treaty Settlement Bill Labour is opposing a Treaty Settlement Bill for Labour is opposing a Treaty Settlement Bill for the Labour is opposing a Treaty Settlement Bill for the first Labour is opposing a Treaty Settlement Bill for the first time Settlement Bill for the first time in Settlement Bill for the first time in the Settlement Bill for the first time in the history Settlement Bill for the first time in the history of Settlement Bill for the first time in the history of the Settlement Bill for the first time in the history of the Treaty in the history of the Treaty settlement in the history of the Treaty settlement process. in the history of the Treaty settlement process. All in the history of the Treaty settlement process. All other in the history of the Treaty settlement process. All other iwi settlement process. All other iwi support settlement process. All other iwi support this settlement process. All other iwi support this transfer settlement process. All other iwi support this transfer opposing settlement process. All other iwi support this transfer opposing the support this transfer opposing the bill support this transfer opposing the bill pits support this transfer opposing the bill pits puts support this transfer opposing the bill pits puts the support this transfer opposing the bill pits puts the Labour support this transfer opposing the bill pits puts the Labour Party bill pits puts the Labour Party against bill pits puts the Labour Party against man bill pits puts the Labour Party against man knew bill pits puts the Labour Party against man knew fenoa." bill pits puts the Labour Party against man knew fenoa." The bill pits puts the Labour Party against man knew fenoa." The Hon against man knew fenoa." The Hon Nick against man knew fenoa." The Hon Nick Smith. against man knew fenoa." The Hon Nick Smith. Mr against man knew fenoa." The Hon Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, against man knew fenoa." The Hon Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, yes, against man knew fenoa." The Hon Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, yes, I against man knew fenoa." The Hon Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, yes, I do Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, yes, I do groo Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, yes, I do groo with Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, yes, I do groo with the Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, yes, I do groo with the chief Nick Smith. Mr Speaker, yes, I do groo with the chief executive Nick Smith. 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Treaty settlements and afford ail housing. Order! Treaty settlements and afford ail housing. Order! Order! Treaty settlements and afford ail housing. Order! Order! Now, Treaty settlements and afford ail housing. Order! Order! Now, Mr housing. Order! Order! Now, Mr Fafoi, housing. Order! Order! Now, Mr housing. housing. Order! Order! Now, Mr Fafoi, you have housing. Order! Order! Now, Mr Fafoi, you have continued housing. Order! Order! Now, Mr Fafoi, you have continued to Fafoi, you have continued to interject. Fafoi, you have continued to interject. If Fafoi, you have continued to interject. If you Fafoi, you have continued to interject. If you do Fafoi, you have continued to interject. If you do again, Fafoi, you have continued to interject. If you do again, you Fafoi, you have continued to interject. If you do again, you will interject. If you do again, you will get interject. If you do again, you will get the interject. If you do again, you will get the same interject. 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We all know that change can be difficult for that change can be difficult for some that change can be difficult for some people that change can be difficult for some people and that change can be difficult for some people and their that change can be difficult for some people and their families that change can be difficult for some people and their families and some people and their families and particularly some people and their families and particularly for some people and their families and particularly for this some people and their families and particularly for this cohort some people and their families and particularly for this cohort of particularly for this cohort of clients particularly for this cohort of clients for particularly for this cohort of clients for whom particularly for this cohort of clients for whom routine particularly for this cohort of clients for whom routine and clients for whom routine and security clients for whom routine and security is clients for whom routine and security is so clients for whom routine and security is so important. clients for whom routine and security is so important. 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In late March, Idea Services decided to change Idea Services decided to change their Idea Services decided to change their business Idea Services decided to change their business model Idea Services decided to change their business model and Idea Services decided to change their business model and relinquish their business model and relinquish 5% their business model and relinquish 5% of their business model and relinquish 5% of their their business model and relinquish 5% of their contracts. their business model and relinquish 5% of their contracts. They their business model and relinquish 5% of their contracts. They are 5% of their contracts. They are working 5% of their contracts. They are working with 5% of their contracts. They are working with the 5% of their contracts. They are working with the Ministry 5% of their contracts. They are working with the Ministry of 5% of their contracts. 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Today, we are discussing Idea Services cancelling a clients. Today, we are discussing Idea Services cancelling a contract Idea Services cancelling a contract without Idea Services cancelling a contract without notice, Idea Services cancelling a contract without notice, without Idea Services cancelling a contract without notice, without notice without notice, without notice either without notice, without notice either to without notice, without notice either to the without notice, without notice either to the Ministry without notice, without notice either to the Ministry of without notice, without notice either to the Ministry of Health without notice, without notice either to the Ministry of Health or either to the Ministry of Health or to either to the Ministry of Health or to their either to the Ministry of Health or to their vulnerable either to the Ministry of Health or to their vulnerable clients. either to the Ministry of Health or to their vulnerable clients. 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Order! of their clients and transition them. Order! Question of their clients and transition them. Order! Question No. of their clients and transition them. Order! Question No. 11. them. Order! Question No. 11. Maureen them. Order! Question No. 11. Maureen Pugh. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Health: My question is to the Associate Minister of Health: What My question is to the Associate Minister of Health: What recent Minister of Health: What recent announcements Minister of Health: What recent announcements has Minister of Health: What recent announcements has she Minister of Health: What recent announcements has she made announcements has she made regarding announcements has she made regarding nicotine announcements has she made regarding nicotine e-cigarettes? 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Last week, I announced Cabinet's Speaker. Last week, I announced Cabinet's decision Speaker. Last week, I announced Cabinet's decision to Speaker. Last week, I announced Cabinet's decision to allow Speaker. Last week, I announced Cabinet's decision to allow the Speaker. Last week, I announced Cabinet's decision to allow the sale Cabinet's decision to allow the sale of Cabinet's decision to allow the sale of nicotine Cabinet's decision to allow the sale of nicotine e-cigarettes Cabinet's decision to allow the sale of nicotine e-cigarettes and Cabinet's decision to allow the sale of nicotine e-cigarettes and liquid of nicotine e-cigarettes and liquid to of nicotine e-cigarettes and liquid to make of nicotine e-cigarettes and liquid to make it of nicotine e-cigarettes and liquid to make it liquid of nicotine e-cigarettes and liquid to make it liquid with of nicotine e-cigarettes and liquid to make it liquid with appropriate to make it liquid with appropriate controls. to make it liquid with appropriate controls. The to make it liquid with appropriate controls. The controls to make it liquid with appropriate controls. The controls include controls. The controls include restricting controls. The controls include of controls. The controls include restricting the sales controls. The controls include restricting the sales to controls. The controls include restricting the sales to those controls. The controls include restricting the sales to those 18 restricting the sales to those 18 years restricting the sales to those 18 years and restricting the sales to those 18 years and over, restricting the sales to those 18 years and over, prohibiting restricting the sales to those 18 years and over, prohibiting vapour years and over, prohibiting vapour in years and over, prohibiting vapour in smoke-free years and over, prohibiting vapour in smoke-free areas years and over, prohibiting vapour in smoke-free areas and years and over, prohibiting vapour in smoke-free areas and restricting in smoke-free areas and restricting advertising in smoke-free areas and restricting advertising to in smoke-free areas and restricting advertising to in-store in smoke-free areas and restricting advertising to in-store only. in smoke-free areas and restricting advertising to in-store only. Now, advertising to in-store only. Now, this advertising to in-store only. Now, this ensures advertising to in-store only. Now, this ensures that advertising to in-store only. Now, this ensures that cigarette advertising to in-store only. 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What are the next steps for the What are the next steps for the legalision What are the next steps for the legalision of What are the next steps for the legalision of nicotine What are the next steps for the legalision of nicotine e-cigarettes? legalision of nicotine e-cigarettes? The legalision of nicotine e-cigarettes? The Hon legalision of nicotine e-cigarettes? The Hon wagging legalision of nicotine e-cigarettes? The Hon wagging what legalision of nicotine e-cigarettes? The Hon wagging what wag. legalision of nicotine e-cigarettes? The Hon wagging what wag. Thank legalision of nicotine e-cigarettes? The Hon wagging what wag. Thank you, The Hon wagging what wag. Thank you, Mr The Hon wagging what wag. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Hon wagging what wag. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The The Hon wagging what wag. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Ministry The Hon wagging what wag. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Ministry of The Hon wagging what wag. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Ministry of Health Mr Speaker. The Ministry of Health will Mr Speaker. The Ministry of Health will -- Mr Speaker. The Ministry of Health will -- the Mr Speaker. The Ministry of Health will -- the Hon Mr Speaker. The Ministry of Health will -- the Hon Nicky Mr Speaker. The Ministry of Health will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Mr Speaker. The Ministry of Health will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Thank will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Thank you, will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Thank you, Mr will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Thank you, Mr Speaker. will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Thank you, Mr Speaker. We will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Thank you, Mr Speaker. We will will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Thank you, Mr Speaker. We will work will -- the Hon Nicky Wagner. Thank you, Mr Speaker. We will work and you, Mr Speaker. We will work and look you, Mr Speaker. We will work and look at you, Mr Speaker. We will work and look at safety you, Mr Speaker. We will work and look at safety standards you, Mr Speaker. We will work and look at safety standards and you, Mr Speaker. We will work and look at safety standards and for you, Mr Speaker. We will work and look at safety standards and for the look at safety standards and for the products look at safety standards and for the products to look at safety standards and for the products to be look at safety standards and for the products to be regulate look at safety standards and for the products to be regulate need look at safety standards and for the products to be regulate need the products to be regulate need the future. products to be regulate need the future. It products to be regulate need the future. It will products to be regulate need the future. It will be products to be regulate need the future. It will be presented products to be regulate need the future. It will be presented to future. It will be presented to Cabinet future. It will be presented to Cabinet in future. It will be presented to Cabinet in July. Question Question No. Question No. 12. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Health: My question is to the Associate Minister of Health: Will Minister of Health: Will he Minister of Health: Will he recommend Minister of Health: Will he recommend his Minister of Health: Will he recommend his Government Minister of Health: Will he recommend his Government change he recommend his Government change the he recommend his Government change the law he recommend his Government change the law so he recommend his Government change the law so that he recommend his Government change the law so that New he recommend his Government change the law so that New Zealanders the law so that New Zealanders with the law so that New Zealanders with terminal the law so that New Zealanders with terminal illnesses with terminal illnesses using with terminal illnesses using medical with terminal illnesses using medical cannabis with terminal illnesses using medical cannabis are with terminal illnesses using medical cannabis are not using medical cannabis are not at using medical cannabis are not at risk using medical cannabis are not at risk of using medical cannabis are not at risk of being using medical cannabis are not at risk of being raided at risk of being raided by at risk of being raided by the at risk of being raided by the Police at risk of being raided by the Police and at risk of being raided by the Police and prosecuted? <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Patients <INTERRUPTION> Patients using <INTERRUPTION> Patients using approved Patients using approved cannabis-based Patients using approved cannabis-based products Patients using approved cannabis-based products such Patients using approved cannabis-based products such as cannabis-based products such as Satvex cannabis-based products such as Satvex and cannabis-based products such as Satvex and other cannabis-based products such as Satvex and other suitable Satvex and other suitable non-medicine Satvex and other suitable non-medicine kal Satvex and other suitable non-medicine kal products Satvex and other suitable non-medicine kal products are Satvex and other suitable non-medicine kal products are not Satvex and other suitable non-medicine kal products are not at non-medicine kal products are not at risk. non-medicine kal products are not at risk. For non-medicine kal products are not at risk. For those non-medicine kal products are not at risk. For those koosing non-medicine kal products are not at risk. For those koosing to non-medicine kal products are not at risk. For those koosing to use non-medicine kal products are not at risk. For those koosing to use raw risk. For those koosing to use raw cannabis risk. For those koosing to use raw cannabis or risk. For those koosing to use raw cannabis or cannabis-based risk. 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I the Government's 2015 national drug policy. I have the Government's 2015 national drug policy. I have considered the Government's 2015 national drug policy. I have considered the policy. I have considered the national policy. I have considered the national compassionate policy. I have considered the national compassionate access policy. 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But you can include up to three other people as supporters. But they've people as supporters. But they've also people as supporters. But they've also found people as supporters. But they've also found a people as supporters. But they've also found a number people as supporters. But they've also found a number of people as supporters. But they've also found a number of people people as supporters. But they've also found a number of people who also found a number of people who are also found a number of people who are suppliers, also found a number of people who are suppliers, when also found a number of people who are suppliers, when confronted also found a number of people who are suppliers, when confronted by are suppliers, when confronted by the are suppliers, when confronted by the police are suppliers, when confronted by the police about are suppliers, when confronted by the police about being are suppliers, when confronted by the police about being suppliers, the police about being suppliers, say the police about being suppliers, say they the police about being suppliers, say they only the police about being suppliers, say they only supply the police about being suppliers, say they only supply to the police about being suppliers, say they only supply to patients say they only supply to patients with say they only supply to patients with terminal say they only supply to patients with terminal illnesses say they only supply to patients with terminal illnesses so say they only supply to patients with terminal illnesses so the say they only supply to patients with terminal illnesses so the whole with terminal illnesses so the whole thing with terminal illnesses so the whole thing has with terminal illnesses so the whole thing has become with terminal illnesses so the whole thing has become essentially thing has become essentially unworkable. thing has become essentially unworkable. I thing has become essentially unworkable. I think thing has become essentially unworkable. I think the thing has become essentially unworkable. I think the pragmatic unworkable. I think the pragmatic approach unworkable. I think the pragmatic approach we unworkable. I think the pragmatic approach we have unworkable. I think the pragmatic approach we have here, unworkable. I think the pragmatic approach we have here, provided unworkable. I think the pragmatic approach we have here, provided it approach we have here, provided it is approach we have here, provided it is exercised approach we have here, provided it is exercised with approach we have here, provided it is exercised with compassion, approach we have here, provided it is exercised with compassion, is approach we have here, provided it is exercised with compassion, is the is exercised with compassion, is the far is exercised with compassion, is the far more is exercised with compassion, is the far more prudent is exercised with compassion, is the far more prudent course is exercised with compassion, is the far more prudent course to is exercised with compassion, is the far more prudent course to follow. far more prudent course to follow. Without far more prudent course to follow. Without a far more prudent course to follow. Without a law far more prudent course to follow. Without a law change, far more prudent course to follow. Without a law change, how far more prudent course to follow. Without a law change, how can far more prudent course to follow. 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I protect people from the potential risk. I come protect people from the potential risk. I come back protect people from the potential risk. I come back to protect people from the potential risk. I come back to what protect people from the potential risk. I come back to what I protect people from the potential risk. I come back to what I said protect people from the potential risk. I come back to what I said in risk. I come back to what I said in response risk. I come back to what I said in response to risk. I come back to what I said in response to the risk. 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