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Can Farah Palmer, the first woman on the NZRU board, help clean up rugby's tarnished off-the field image?

Miriama Kamo presents Sunday, award-winning investigations into the stories that matter, from a team of the country's most experienced journalists.

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  • Sunday
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  • Sunday 14 May 2017
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  • 19 : 30
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  • 20 : 30
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  • 60:00
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  • TVNZ 1
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  • Television New Zealand
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  • Miriama Kamo presents Sunday, award-winning investigations into the stories that matter, from a team of the country's most experienced journalists.
Episode Description
  • Can Farah Palmer, the first woman on the NZRU board, help clean up rugby's tarnished off-the field image?
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  • Chapman Archive
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  • Television
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  • English
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  • Made for the University of Auckland's educational use as permitted by the Screenrights Licensing Agreement.
Sunday ` proudly brought to you by Mazda. Tonight on Sunday ` tackling rugby culture. I suppose I did feel a little bit naughty. 'I'm living on the edge. I'm playing rugby, 'which is seen as a men's sport.' She's one of our most successful rugby captains. I said, 'Dad, Dad, I'm an All Black. I'm an All Black.' He just went, 'What?' I think he may have cried. Now Farah Palmer is the first woman ever on the Rugby Union Board I ticked two diversity boxes ` Maori and being female ` so was I a token gesture? Can she make a difference to the old boys' club? The game is very sorry we are in this position. What would you say to those Chiefs players? Just to treat women with respect. Farah's bought them time, (CHUCKLES) but it doesn't mean the issue has been resolved. ANNOUNCER: Bruce McLaren is still out in front. From a young boy who couldn't walk to a motorsport legend. I have to sit in them all day long, and I don't want things falling off. Bruce McLaren lived fast... (ENGINE REVS) ...and died young. I opened the front door. There was Dad standing. He didn't have to tell me. I just knew. # I'm in love with the shape of you. We push and pull like a magnet do. Unlikely superstar Ed Sheeran opens up... You know, I'm not a not a hugely confident person, but I know this is something I can do. ...on why he took a gap year away from fame,... I was the unhealthiest I've ever been ` hair falling out, chunky, boozing. It wasn't great. ...and his love for Aotearoa. Right there. You still wear it every day? Still there. I haven't taken it off since, haven't taken it off. Copyright Able 2017 Kia ora. I'm Miriama Kamo. Last year, rugby in New Zealand was a winner on the field but a loser off it. High-profile scandals, Chiefs and strippers, street assaults. The perception grew that the game was completely out of touch with the behaviour demanded by modern New Zealand. Now, for the first-time ever, a woman is sitting at the top table. But can she make a difference? Here's Mark Crysell. New Zealand Rugby had a birthday the other day, and one of the giants of the game rumbled in to cut the cake. This game of ours, and I'm one-eyed, I guess, but honestly, it is important to New Zealand and New Zealand society. True. Rugby has united... and divided us. ARCHIVE: The New Zealand players have to get out of the way of that missile falling on them. But after 125 years, it remains our national game. But both New Zealand and New Zealand rugby has changed a hell of a lot since we were formed in 1892. 1892. Just one year later, women got the vote. It's taken rugby over a century to catch up. How difficult was that decision to join the Rugby Union Board? It was actually very difficult. I had lots of sleepless nights and angst. Dr Farah Palmer ` former Black Fern captain, three-time world cup winner, the first woman to sit at rugby's top table in 125 years. And I do notice I have no friends around me today. Jokes aside, the people around this table are grappling with a rugby culture shown the red card last year. Scandals over drunk players, brawls, strippers, homophobia. It is predominantly men who administer the game, thus perpetuating a dominantly male culture. Those who run the game were put on notice after an independent review of Wellington Rugby's handling of player Losi Filipo's conviction for assault. If rugby doesn't do it, the general public will make sure it happens. They're not going to tolerate this sort of behaviour. I ticked two diversity boxes ` Maori and being a female. So was I a token gesture? Am I the right person for this role? How am I gonna make a difference? Am I ready? What's this gonna do to my family? You know, all those kind of questions came up, so yeah, it was a big decision. This girl's got legs. (CHUCKLES) It's a long way away from watching a game of club rugby in her hometown of Piopio with her dad and kids, Cody and Paige. Run! Go! Whoo-hoo! You don't get much more heartland than the King Country. Rugby is part of the glue binding this rural community together. More people should come down here. You can buy a house in Piopio for 200,000! Dad, Bruce, is the club stalwart ` played over 50 times for King Country. The bar's named after him. I didn't meet my father till I was 7, and I wonder if unconsciously I was trying to seek his approval in some way, and that's why rugby appealed to me. Or was it because I grew up around the rugby field, and it felt like home? Was it the fact that everybody worked together and tried their hardest? Things, values that I really respected. When Farah grew up, women washed the jerseys and were thanked after the match for making the scones. We always had a women's game at the end of the season. Uh, men married singles, and the women played a curtain raiser, but that was their lot in rugby back then. So I put my hand up, and I really enjoyed it. But it was a one-off, but I remember thinking, 'That was heaps of fun.' If a love of rugby came from her dad, then her quiet strength and Maoritanga is a tribute to her mum's side. What was Farah like as a young girl? Um, oh, she was a lovely little, tubby little girl. (CHUCKLES) I fed her on all the wrong things. But, no, we always taught her to strive for whatever she wanted. She's quite confident in saying what she thinks, and she knows, you know, not to tread on toes and all that. Her grandfather instilled a lot of that in her. So this is where Mummy used to live with Nana, and my nana and my koro. This is where I used to play. Would you like to play here? A small street in a small town with big aspirations. So this is where I grew up, and Jenny-May Clarkson, used to be Jenny-May Coffin, lived right next door with her mum and her dad. Rower Lisa Carrington is all about... Yes, that Jenny-May. TV presenter and former Silver Fern netballer. She has a lot of mana, Farah. But she has it because of the way she treats people and the respect that she gives people. Both Farah and Jenny-May are on the roll of honour at Piopio College, as is gold medal rower Rob Waddell. Look at you there! Looking fierce there. Looking fierce, yeah. Over-plucked eyebrows if you ask me, (LAUGHS) but other than that. A small community that's produced its fair share of champions, but Farah's also up here for her academic achievements. That's my whanau's korowai, and that's when I graduated with a PhD from Otago University, looking very serious and academic there. She was the first person in her family to go to university. If you were to pick one you were proudest of, which one would it be out of those two? I think getting a degree and doing a PhD was more outside of what everyone expected of a young Maori girl from Piopio, so that's probably the most satisfaction. And everybody expects Maori to be good at sport. It wasn't until she got to Otago University that she took up playing rugby seriously. It just was so liberating ` the running around and rolling around and getting dirty, and I dunno. The whole sport just appealed to me. (ALL GRUNT) She did say, 'Oh, I'm playing rugby, Dad,' and I said, 'Well, hang on. That's our game. You're not supposed to, you know...' I suppose I did feel a little bit naughty. You know, this is like` ooh, this is` 'Ooh, I'm living on the edge. I'm playing rugby, which is seen as a men's sport. 'And aren't I being courageous?' So, yeah, there was this sense of this 'we're kind of breaking down barriers' or going into a territory that women have not necessarily been welcomed into before. Farah was only 60kg. Not big enough. She needed to bulk up. In the past, she'd fretted about her weight. I actually went through a bit of anorexia when I was about 15, and it` you know, so my self-esteem was very much connected to my body and how it was perceived. So to go from that low of having anorexia and everybody being concerned about me at school to finding a sport where being big and being strong was actually wonderful. She put on 10kg of muscle and in 1995 was picked to play for New Zealand. She rang her dad. I said, 'Dad, Dad, I'm an All Black. I'm an All Black.' He just went, 'What?' And I think he may have cried. He was doing something on the other side of the phone, which sounded like he was lost for words and gasping for air. So that was really cool. Pretty amazing, really. Respect from Dad, but the Rugby Union was still lagging. The Black Fern's gear that we used to get was often what was left over from the stock. If it wasn't, then somebody wasn't measuring us properly, because we were honestly in gear that was way too big. So everyone amongst the team would` like the little halfbacks would be trading with the locks and props for gear that would actually fit them. WOMAN: Ladies and gentlemen, to present the award... Sure, the women were invited to the annual rugby awards. The New Zealand Rugby Football Union's Women's Player of the Year. And the winner is... But when she won player of the year... ...(HESITATES) F` Farah Palmer. ...it was a bloke on the trophy. At the time, you know, you could just imagine it was like, 'Oh, look at that. It's a` It's a man. What are they doing?' From 1998 to 2006, women's rugby did what men's couldn't ` win World Cups. Three of them. They only lost one game. (BLUR'S 'SONG 2') And at the helm, Farah Palmer. COMMENTATOR: How appropriate that captain Farah Palmer is on hand. A really wonderful moment of my life. I didn't think I'd be there as long as I was. I just knew that once I was in that environment, I really wanted to be a part of it, and I wanted to keep being a part of it. When we come back ` can one woman repair rugby's culture? Farah's bought them time. (CHUCKLES) But it doesn't mean that the issue has been resolved. 10 seconds! On the rugby field, she was often the smallest player. But you underestimate Farah Palmer at your peril. Give me a high five, Farah. High five. (LAUGHS) Early morning boot camp at Palmerston North's Sport and Rugby Institute, and it's dress up day. Hold Wesley above your head! Hold him up there. James Amon also used to train Farah when she was a Black Fern. Last one, guys, then we have a breather. What sort of athlete was Farah? Oh, phenomenal athlete. Just so determined, so driven. She's the only athlete I've ever run with that speeds up going uphill. A smiling assassin on the field. Lovely lady, but she'll know how to put you down in a hurry, so that sums her up pretty well, I think. If you look at the results, you could easily make the case that she's our greatest rugby captain ever. But her biggest challenge may lay in wait. Joining a board charged with tackling the unsavoury parts of rugby culture. I don't like the fact that a woman, no matter what her job, feels unsafe. The Waikato Chiefs' treatment of a stripper during a drunken end-of-season function was a tipping point. As a woman, it really did affect me, um, the allegations that were going around, and just affected me on an emotional level. And I just thought, 'This` Something's going on here. 'We need to look into this a little bit deeper.' New Zealand Rugby held a much criticised internal inquiry, led by their own lawyer, which couldn't substantiate the claims. They've already said sorry for what they have caused, and I think we can all say, and I think the whole game ` I'm the representative of it ` the game is very sorry that we're in this position. Rugby bosses may've said sorry, but not one player was held accountable or expressed any public regrets for what happened on that Mad Monday. What would you say to those Chiefs players? Just to treat women with respect, um, and, you know, make sure that you think about the consequences of what your behaviour might be. And to... uphold people's mana. Farah Palmer has some first-hand experience in turning around a boozy rugby culture. In the changing room after the game were the boxes of beer and, you know, the prizes were bottles of wine, and often we drank them in the changing rooms and at the after-match functions. Labour MP Louisa Wall, former teammate and World Cup winner with the Black Ferns. In '98, when we were all together, we committed to no alcohol, you know. We committed to compulsory rests. We basically took everything that we could control and created a set of team rules and values that we thought would help us focus and eventually win the tournament. And Farah led that. You know, alcohol can create an atmosphere that is dangerous in any kind of situation. So you have to be kind of wary of some situations and look after each other. So 'L' is for leadership. Teaching other people how to lead is now Farah's job. What is it? Does anybody have any obvious ideas about what leadership is? A senior lecturer at Massey University's School of Management. Making a decision. That's a good starting point. Yes, you have to make a decision. She always led from the front, was always the person who knew exactly where we were going and was going in this direction. Even though some of us wanted to take alternative journeys or routes, she was like, 'No, we're going this way.' I always try and think about how I can do things in a proactive way, rather than just in a critical` laying the blame anywhere. I kind of try to see things more at an institutional or strategic level. Back at New Zealand Rugby's AGM, take a look at this room. It's still overwhelmingly blokey. So how representative is it? One in seven rugby players are now women. They're the largest growth area in rugby, with player numbers increasing 12% last year, compared to only 2% for the men's game. These days women are more likely to be out on the field than in the clubroom kitchen making the scones. Effectively, it's still an old boys' network that women can't penetrate. Louisa Wall applied to join the Rugby Union Board herself in 2008. You're left-wing, Maori... (LAUGHS) ...lesbian? Yeah. (CHUCKLES) Woman? (LAUGHS) I would have thought ` tick, tick, tick. But it was sadly not. Farah's bought them time, (CHUCKLES) but it doesn't mean that the issue has been resolved. She's there as the representative from the Maori board, which she also chairs. The fact that she's a woman is an added bonus. When you're a woman, and you enter an environment, you do not know how men behave when you're not there. The reality is very few, if any, of the men in this room have achieved anything like Farah Palmer. We've had lots of changes, challenges and champions, and that's going to be the focus of the AGM tonight. She doesn't speak loudly nor carry a big stick, but make no mistake ` she is not here to make the numbers. When I enter the room, I feel welcome. I do feel like everyone's a little bit nervous, cos they don't wanna say anything that they think might offend me. And I think that's nice ` to be a little bit on edge ` but you make them feel relaxed. You make them know that you're there for rugby, because we need rugby to be healthy for everybody to` to get something out of it. I think she's an agent for change. Brent Impey is the New Zealand Rugby Board president. I believe that anything around violence, sexism, inappropriate behaviour, it's just not acceptable in today's world. We have that opportunity as New Zealand Rugby Board to take a leadership position here. There's a whole field of dreams for one woman to carry. There are expectations on Farah's shoulders that I think the Rugby Board itself have put on her, and what they need to know is that there's a whole group of us around her, supporting her and encouraging her. She'll make things happen because of the way that she is with people, the way that she interacts and the way that she passes on the message. And there's nothing like bringing up two kids to keep it real. (SPEAKS MAORI) I'm lucky I've got a supportive husband, Wesley, and he understands cos he's involved in rugby as well. And we come home, and we just unload and vent and` and, you know, that's someone that I can just be completely myself with. Do you want a plate so we can put it in the plate? Can I eat this? (CHUCKLES) You just did. I don't know how long I'm going to be in this role. I don't know how well I'm gonna be doing at balancing all those roles. And if it gets too much, then I'll step aside. But I wanna leave it in a condition where I think it's gonna be easy for another diverse person to feel that they can step into these roles. It's a big job. Yeah, it is. (CHUCKLES) Dr Palmer has been invited to spend a day with the Chiefs this month to see first-hand their efforts to develop a better culture. Meanwhile, New Zealand Rugby is expected to release the findings of its 'Respect and Responsibility' review mid-year. Later ` an intimate moment with pop megastar Ed Sheeran. But up next, a name that's at the pinnacle of world motorsport ` McLaren. But what do we know about Bruce McLaren, the man who started it all? My darling elder brother. The most amazing designer, driver and engineer that went right to the top in Formula One and American sports car racing. ARCHIVE: Bruce McLaren still out in front. And Bruce McLaren wins the 20th Monte Carlo Grand Prix. 1 Welcome back. McLaren ` it's a name that draws millions of fans to the world of motor racing. What the crowds do know is that this multi-billion dollar car company has built some of the fastest racing cars in history. Yet few of them realise it was founded by a young Kiwi when he was just 26 years old ` champion racing driver Bruce McLaren. Well, now a new Hollywood movie is about to give Bruce McLaren, and New Zealand, credit where it's due. The producers gave Ian Sinclair a sneak peek. Dawn, and Melbourne awakes to Australia's Formula One Grand Prix,... (MACHINE WHIRRS) ...showcase for one of New Zealand's greatest sporting legacies. At the gates, thousands of fans are drawn by the name McLaren. Have you heard of McLaren? Absolutely. No. Oh, of course, I have. Yeah. Yes, love McLaren. McLaren ` one of the world's fastest and most successful Formula One racing cars. (ENGINES REV, WHINE) But do these fans know about the man behind it? A young Kiwi racing driver called Bruce. So, have you heard of Bruce McLaren? BOTH: Who sorry? Bruce McLaren? No. Bruce McLaren? No. Who's Bruce McLaren? Who is Bruce McLaren? Um, my darling elder brother. For 20 years, Bruce's kid sister Jan has tried to keep his memory alive. The most amazing designer, driver and engineer that went right to the top in Formula One and American sports car racing. On Auckland's Remuera Rd, this is where Bruce's journey to world fame began. This is the old service station building where the family used to live. The McLaren's upstairs flat is today lovingly preserved as a museum by Jan. And this room is very, very special ` Bruce's bedroom. That was back in 1937. And do you think that as a kid there would've been toy cars in this room? I would absolutely think so. But at 10, Bruce's road to motor racing fame took a nasty turn. Perthes' disease, it's` it's an old disease. Treatment in those days, in Bruce's time, was very much 'put them in traction for two years and, uh, keep them in the Wilson Home.' Incredibly, one of the fastest men in the world would be left with one leg shorter than the other. It was something he coped with incredibly well. And Bruce's dad knew the best therapy. After he came out of the Wilson Home, it was a case of Dad wanted to give him something to focus on again, and so they bought the little Austin 7, and Bruce helped rebuild it. This was the golden age of the Kiwi do-it-yourselfer. He'd been tinkering with cars since he was 13. If he couldn't find a part, Bruce simply learned to make it himself, then drive it himself. Earliest memory of Bruce, really, is in` with the Austin 7s and the hill climbs at Muriwai. In an old home movie, Jan settles down on the Muriwai hillside. When was this? In the '50s, when he was only about 17 or 18. In a race to the top, the first known footage of a future young champion. You see him going up the hill, and eventually, of course, um, Bruce started turning in faster times than Dad. Bruce's talent won him the first 'Driver to Europe' scholarship. Did your parents worry? Letting your son go at, sort of, 20 years old over to England and into a motor racing world was a huge step. You know, Dad's head was probably` you know, wouldn't fit under his hat for weeks probably. So proud, but so traumatic. But Bruce was unstoppable. Becoming the youngest-ever Grand Prix winner. MAN: Congratulations. ARCHIVE: It was Bruce McLaren, who carries number 47. And that winning streak continued... Bruce McLaren still out in front. ...across Europe and America. Bruce McLaren races to the flag. One can't go past the beautiful Monaco Grand Prix. And Bruce McLaren wins the 20th Monte Carlo Grand Prix. Princess Grace, Prince Rainier. 'Congratulations, sir.' (CHUCKLES) Thank you. Don't mind if I do. Bruce had come a long way from that Muriwai hill climb, leaving a question for Jan... Here's all this wonderful memorabilia. Here's all this history. How can we utilise it to, um... to teach people the lessons that he` that Bruce left? The answer is revealed in Melbourne, home to that Grand Prix, also the drawcard for a special event. Jan is here to witness a moment that will set the record straight ` an exclusive preview of a movie about her big brother. To know that a film was going to be made was hugely exciting. He was the- the hero at the time I grew up. Also in town for the event is an old McLaren friend ` Jimmy Stone. Back in the '60s, Jimmy left New Zealand to land his dream job building cars for Bruce. Oh, he was a leader, a born leader. He knew what he wanted. Right or wrong, he knew what he wanted. I have to sit in them all day long, and I don't want things falling off. Between races, Bruce, still in his 20s, had started building his own racing cars. The Kiwi attitude of 'we can do it'. We found it easy when we were put under a bit of pressure to build a race car. We were through and through Kiwis. The McLaren brand was born. Bruce's story is finally on show. (REFLECTIVE MUSIC) As the movie reveals, McLaren never forgot his homeland ` the beaches of Auckland, the Grand Prix at Pukekohe, and his Kiwi sweetheart Patty. They were both just 18. Bruce's career would keep them a world apart for six years, till they could finally marry. But the big adventure was about to end. (OMINOUS MUSIC) Bruce had been testing his latest McLaren. (TYRES SCREECH) It was half past 5, 6 o'clock in the morning. I opened the front door, and there was Dad standing. He didn't have to tell me. I just knew. Bruce was killed instantly. A national hero, founder of a multi-billion dollar motor racing empire and a father, he was just 32. Do you think Bruce would have ever expected to have seen the legacy that he's left? Probably not. I don't think any of us in the family thought the legacy would continue on as much. The fact that McLarens were still called McLarens, that it's still there today is` is just a huge, magnificent thing, but you've gotta have the dream. You've gotta believe in yourself to do it, and` and then you achieve it. The movie 'McLaren' comes out in New Zealand on the 1st of June. After the break, Ed Sheeran on fame, his new girlfriend, and he has a few words for the Aussies too. Apparently, you love New Zealand. Not more than us, though, surely. Not` No. No, but I do really, really like New Zealand. Why? It's` It's the same` Why are you getting uppity? (CHUCKLES) Do you Australians not like New Zealanders or something? Oh, you know. We've got a little bit of rivalry. Have you? What, cos they're better at rugby? I said it. Ooh, ouch! (LAUGHS) 1 Hello again. Two Grammys, 70 million followers on social media, six billion views of his music videos. Hard to imagine that he's an occasional wedding singer too. But that's what Angela Cox discovered about megastar Ed Sheeran when she met him onstage in Birmingham. Right, these are the axes. The gear. What do you need all of these for? Uh, they're different songs. So this is the set list here. It's a few hours before Ed Sheeran will go on stage in Birmingham. You can get through all of those songs without having to sit and tune a guitar. The biggest star in pop music is relaxed and up for almost anything. (STRUMS GUITAR) # I'm in love with the shape of you. We push and pull like a magnet do. # Although my heart is falling too, # I'm in love with your body. # And last night you were in my room, # and now my bed sheets smell like you. # Every day discovering something brand new. # I'm in love with your body. That was amazing. Which, I've just heard, has been the longest-ever number one in Australia now. Yeah, it's very popular. We love it. 15 weeks? I beat Coolio. (LAUGHS) Isn't that nuts? That is pretty cool. Really excited about that. That made the news. I know. Like, that's the one big record that I've broke. It's cool. I'm happy about it. (SINGS 'SHAPE OF YOU') Ed Sheeran's been performing his biggest hit 'Shape of You' all over the world. And in the ultimate sign of star power, the world has been playing along with him. (ALL SING 'SHAPE OF YOU') So, tell me, what's it like to be Ed Sheeran, the most popular pop star in the world right now? Um, it's good. Good, yeah. It's good. I'm` I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. There's now no in-between. There's, like, a lot of hate and a lot of love, but no, like` I think everyone's now made their mind up, and it's, uh, quite intense. (CHEERING) (BAND STARTS PLAYING) # When I was 6 years old, I broke my leg. Well, your show is amazing. You have so much energy up there. You've got a smile plastered over your face. Is it as fun as it looks? Yeah, it's only fun when the audience is really good. Um, I do enjoy playing, but when an audience is, like, with you, it just becomes something different. Yeah. (CHEERING, WHISTLING) (CHEERING INTENSIFIES) (PLAYS 'I'M A MESS') # It burns so bright I wanna feel your love. Where did you get that sense of self and sense of confidence to be able to stand up here, on your own, the way you do? Um, I think just doing a lot of shows. I was really nervous the first gig I did when I was 11. I was like` didn't wanna go on stage at all, but then you kind of` you just` It's like sanding a bit of wood. You slowly get the rough away, and then it it's smooth. As a child, he struggled with a stutter. And his bright red hair made him a target for bullying. You used to get picked on cos of that? Yeah, but what I say to` to everyone is, like, people don't like what's different, and you know, if there are` I think there were three redheads in our school, and that's different. And like, it's` It's just the same as` Kids are always gonna find something to pick on other kids for. Ed dropped out of school, went busking on the streets of London and was eventually discovered by a music legend. Would you please welcome Sir Elton John. (CHEERING) Sir Elton John signed Ed to his management company and became his mentor. # Don't go breaking my heart. # I couldn't if I tried. You know what? I'm coming to the end of my career. You're at the beginning of your career, and it's just a wonderful, wonderful thing to have someone so` to pass the torch to. BOTH: # Whoo-hoo. # Nobody knows it. # Nobody kno-o-ows. For Ed, the overnight success became overwhelming. He admits he didn't handle it well and, soon after this show, decided he need to take a break. I'd be getting up on stage and being like, 'Oh, I need to get off it.' And like, I now n` I don't want to stop touring now. Like, I really appreciate it, and I've found a way to balance it and make it doable. But that's definitely why I took a year off. You said at the time, um` you were quoted as saying things would have ended badly if you hadn't taken that time out. How bad would it have got? Well, did you see my last gigs in Australia, how big I was? I was, like, 4.5 stone heavier than I am now. I was the unhealthiest I've ever been ` hair falling out, just chunky, boozin'. Like, it wasn't` it wasn't great. And emotionally? There's not really any time to have emotions on tour. # You played the fiddle in an Irish band, # but she fell in love with an Englishman. Ed spent much of his year off with his girlfriend Cherry Seaborn. They were high school sweethearts. ('GALWAY GIRL' CONTINUES) Is she the 'real' in this surreal world for you? Does she keep it grounded? Definitely. Definitely. Yeah, I've known her for, I guess, like 15 years now, and, uh, yeah, we` I didn't see her for, like, five years cos I went on tour, and she moved to America to go to university and then got a job in New York. So we just reconnected in New York, and, uh... Yeah, now we live together. # Darling, I # will # be loving you # till we're 70. A song Ed wrote to celebrate love became an instant anthem for sweethearts. # People fall in love in mysterious ways. # Maybe just the touch of a hand. How do you feel about the fact that one of your songs is now the go-to song for couples around the world? Uh, it's nice cos it kind of, um, immortalises the song in terms of, like, even if I fall out of grace, and no one listens to me any more, there's couples everywhere that share that song, and that song will always exist in their life, even if it doesn't exist in, like the public life. I just think it's` It makes your music last forever, memories like that. I hear that you keep having to be wedding singer at your mate's weddings. Yeah, well, it's not, like, planned. (CHUCKLES) I get invited and then end up doing it. Yeah. Usually someone bring a guitar and goes, 'Huh?' And you go, 'Oh, all right. OK.' I like it, though, man. I like` I enjoy singing, and singing with... Like, a wedding is` Everyone's happy. Yeah. Apart from the drunk uncle who's... not. But, like, every` It's just a happy day, and singing in front of happy people is what I love doing. MAN: Bring in the wedding singer, please. Here he is. (CHEERING) Happy wedding day. Whether it's a surprise appearance at an Aussie wedding,... # Come on. Be my baby. Come on. ...a rainy show at Hanging Rock or a stadium packed to overflowing, Ed Sheeran is one man with a guitar and a story to tell. You know, I'm not a hugely confident person, but I know that this is something that I can do. So you can be confident at things that you're good at. But like, I'm not a hugely confident person in all the other aspects of my life. It's just this I know particularly I can do to a good ability. What makes you nervous, then? Heights. Heights. Heights, yeah. Hate heights. What about this? Actually, that's one thing I hate about New Zealand ` they created the bungy jump. (LAUGHS) Thank you for coming out. I will never forget these shows. It is mind-blowing how many of you came out for this. Thank you. OK, so we actually found a couple of shots of Ed Sheeran bungy jumping last time he was here, so he can't have been that scared. Ed says he wants to move here one day, in fact, and has even inquired about getting citizenship. Watch as Ed Sheeran stokes our trans-Tasman rivalry when he explains why he loves New Zealand so much. But I do really, really like New Zealand. Why? It` It's the same` Why are you getting uppity? Do Australians not like New Zealanders or something? Oh, you know, we've got a little bit of rivalry. Have you? Cos they're better at rugby? I said it. (INHALES SHARPLY) Ooh, ouch. (LAUGHS) He's coming out swinging today. Excellent. I have one more question about New Zealand. They said that you have a Maori necklace that you said you'd never take off. Right there. Still wear it every day? Yeah, still there. I haven't taken it off since. Haven't taken it off. And I bought loads of them and gave them to all my mates as well, and they haven't taken 'em off. I just like New Zealand, and I like Australia for two different reasons. Very diplomatic. That's sounding like a politician. (CHUCKLES) Thank you. Well, I can't win, can I? (LAUGHS) No. Can't win. We'll have a beer. Don't worry. It'll be fine. But they have got a better rugby team. Ooh. They have. Ooh! So true. Now, it's Shortland Street's 25th anniversary this month. We thought we'd celebrate that with this sweet wee story, up next. 1 Hello again. Our little battler that could, Shortland Street, has come a long way in 25 years. It's an anniversary reached by no other New Zealand drama. And to help celebrate, tonight we meet one of the programme's biggest fans ` Celeste Osterman. (CHUCKLES) (GENTLE GUITAR MUSIC) (GENTLE GUITAR MUSIC CONTINUES) (CHEWS) (MAN SHOUTS INSTRUCTIONS OVER LOUDSPEAKER) MAN: Take your flowers. Take your flax. Take all your props. That's everybody on the move. (LAUGHTER) (LAUGHTER) And on May 25th, Shorty Street will celebrate its 25th anniversary. That's our show for tonight. Do join us on Facebook and Twitter ` Sunday TVNZ.