Time has seven sharp. COMING UP ` SOMETHING ALMOST ALL OF US HAVE AN OPINION ON. CHARTER SCHOOLS ` THEY'VE FACED CONTROVERSY AND CRITICISM, BUT ARE THEY MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF KIWI KIDS? I FEEL SAFE, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S ANOTHER HOME FOR ME. TO ANOTHER CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE ` WEIGHT-LOSS SURGERY FOR OBESE KIWI KIDS. THERE'S A PRESSURE TO DO IT, BECAUSE THESE KIDS DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS. AND WHY MOTHER'S DAY MEANT A LITTLE MORE TO THIS MUM THAN MOST. JUST BEING ABLE TO BE 6FT ABOVE GROUND IS GREAT. 6PM CAPTIONS BY JULIE TAYLOR AND ALEX WALKER. CAPTIONS WERE MADE WITH THE SUPPORT OF NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT ABLE 2017. And you had a great weekend. Not just because of Mother's Day, but because you don't see the warriors. Iit pains me just to read about it. For those who sat through at 20 to dissect it. WHAT HAPPENS TO KIDS WHO DON'T DO WELL AT SCHOOL? WELL, OFTEN THEY'RE IGNORED, OVERLOOKED. SOME, OF COURSE, ARE BOOTED OUT. AND THOSE ARE THE KIDS BEING TARGETED BY CHARTER SCHOOLS. YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT'S CONTROVERSIAL EXPERIMENT, PAYING PRIVATE PROVIDERS TO RUN SCHOOLS. AND DESPITE PLENTY OF HICCUPS ALONG THE WAY, MANY OF THE SCHOOLS ARE GROWING FAST AND PRODUCING RESULTS. IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS SINCE THE FIRST CHARTER SCHOOL OPENED IN SOUTH AUCKLAND. JEHAN CASINADER HEADED ALONG TO FIND OUT HOW IT'S DOING. FOR SCARLET A CHANGE OF SCHOOL HAS MEANT A CHANGE OF PERSPECTIVE. I FEEL LIKE A WHOLE NEW PERSON. I FEEL SAFE, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S ANOTHER HOME FOR ME. FOR JAMIE A NEW SCHOOL HAS MEANT A NEW ATTITUDE. I CAN WORK HARD AND HAVE A BRIGHTER FUTURE. I KNOW I CAN DO BETTER, I JUST GOTTA KEEP PUSHING MYSELF. THEY'RE LEARNING AT AN INNOVATIVE CHARTER SCHOOL. A CHARTER SCHOOL IS A GOVERNMENT-FUNDED SCHOOL, BUT IT'S PRIVATELY RUN. BUT THESE SCHOOLS ARE CONTROVERSIAL. CRITICS SAY THEY'RE A POINTLESS WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY. IT'S REALLY UNFAIR, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE WAY IT IS AT ALL. ON A WET FRIDAY MORNING IN MANUREWA, FEMINISM IN LITERATURE IS A WEIGHTY TOPIC TO START THE DAY. WHEN YOU'RE READING THE BOOK, YOU GET TO HAVE AN OPINION ON FEMINISM. YOU CAN ALMOST SEE THESE BRAINS TICKING OVER. I REALLY LIKE THE EDUCATION THEY HAVE HERE, BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFERENT TO OTHER SCHOOLS. BEFORE COMING TO SOUTH AUCKLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL, SCARLET FOUND LEARNING TOUGH. I NEVER REALLY LIKED SCHOOL THAT MUCH. I WAS VERY SHY, NEVER PARTICIPATED IN ANYTHING. UNTIL HER PARENTS SIGNED HER UP TO BE PART OF A BOLD EXPERIMENT. CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN OPERATING OVERSEAS FOR A LONG TIME. THEY'RE NEW IN NEW ZEALAND. THESE SCHOOLS HAVE A LOT OF POWER. THEY CAN CHOOSE HOW TO SPEND THEIR MONEY. AND EVEN CHOOSE WHAT TO TEACH. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT EVERY SCHOOL SHOULD BE A CHARTER SCHOOL. BUT WE'RE SAYING THAT CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE A PLACE IN NEW ZEALAND. AT THIS SCHOOL, THERE ARE JUST 15 KIDS IN A CLASS. THE TEACHERS CAN GET AROUND TO EVERY STUDENT. I HAVE DEFINITELY GAINED A LOT OF CONFIDENCE. I WORK REALLY HARD TO GET EXCELLENCES AND TO GET GOOD GRADES. THE SCHOOL PROVIDES UNIFORMS, STATIONERY AND TECHNOLOGY ALL FREE OF CHARGE. IT'S A COMMUNITY THAT FINANCIALLY ISN'T SUPER WEALTHY, AND SO FOR US PROVIDING UNIFORM AND STATIONERY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. MANY OF THESE KIDS ARE MAORI OR PASIFIKA AND AT RISK OF FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS IN THE STATE SYSTEM. WHEN I WAS LITTLE, I USED TO GET BULLIED A LOT, BUT BEING HERE AT SCHOOL, IT'S A REAL SAFE ENVIRONMENT WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BULLIES. LAST YEAR THE NATIONAL STANDARD RESULTS AT THIS SCHOOL IMPROVED BY 18%. I REALLY LIKE THE TEACHERS. THEY ALWAYS PUSH ME. SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT ANNOYING, BUT IT HELPS. BUT CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN CRITICISED FOR BEING OVERFUNDED AND IRRESPONSIBLE. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY CRITICAL, BUT THEY'VE NEVER BEEN TO SEE WHAT WE DO. IT'S HARD FOR THE STAFF HERE BECAUSE THEY WORK REALLY HARD. THEY WORK PASSIONATELY WITH THESE FAMILIES, AND YET THEY STILL GET THE NEGATIVE PRESS. AT SOUTH AUCKLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY TEACH THE NATIONAL CURRICULUM. ALL TEACHERS EXCEPT ONE ARE FULLY QUALIFIED AND REGISTERED. AND THE SCHOOL IS RUN BY A NOT-FOR-PROFIT TRUST. THE GOVERNMENT HAS JUST RECEIVED AN INDEPENDENT REPORT ON CHARTER SCHOOLS. NOW THAT REPORT FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF POOR PRACTICE. IN FACT, IT FOUND THAT MANY OF THESE SCHOOLS ARE PERFORMING REALLY WELL. AND SO ARE THEIR STUDENTS. I WANT TO BE A LAWYER, AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO GO TO UNIVERSITY I WANT TO GET A GOOD JOB. I WANT TO BE A FIRE-FIGHTER. I DON'T WANNA BE STAYING AT HOME LIVING OFF THE BENEFIT. LABOUR, NEW ZEALAND FIRST, AND THE GREENS WANT TO SCRAP THE CHARTER SCHOOL MODEL. BUT THAT HASN'T DENTED THE OPTIMISM OF THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THIS ONE. THESE FAMILIES AND THESE STUDENTS, THEY NEED WHAT WE DO, AND THEY'RE ENTITLED TO IT. SO, WITH RESULTS LIKE THAT, WHY WOULD YOU SCRAP CHARTER SCHOOLS? I SPOKE TO LABOUR'S EDUCATION SPOKESPERSON, CHRIS HIPKINS, LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND ASKED HIM HOW HE SCORED SOUTH AUCKLAND MIDDLE SCHOOL'S PERFORMANCE. OH, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO SCORING ANY INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY. WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM AROUND THE EDUCATION REVIEW OFFICE, WHERE SCHOOLS ARE REVIEWED AND THEY'RE GIVEN A SCORECARD BY THEM. I THINK I SHOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE EXPERTS TO GIVE THEM THEIR SCORECARD. IS YOUR POLICY TO CLOSE SCHOOLS, AND IF IT'S NOT, WHAT IS IT? WHAT WE'VE SAID IS WE DON'T SEE A ROLE FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS IN THE SYSTEM. WE'LL DEAL WITH THE 10 CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT ARE OPEN NOW ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, AND THERE'S A RANGE OF OPTIONS. IT COULD BE THAT THEY BECOME INTEGRATED SCHOOLS OR SPECIAL CHARACTER SCHOOLS. CLOSURE IS OBVIOUSLY AN OPTION, PROBABLY NOT OUR PREFERRED OPTION, BUT WE'VE SAID THAT WE'LL DEAL WITH THEM ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. SO YOU DON'T THINK THAT THESE SCHOOLS, IN THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL WAY, HAVE PROVIDED SOMETHING THAT A ONE-STOP SHOP STATE-SYSTEM FOR SOME KIDS CAN'T, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHY WOULDN'T YOU LET THEM GET ON WITH IT IF THE KIDS BENEFIT BECAUSE OF IT? WE'VE GOT SOME AMAZING RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT CAN WORK IN STATE SCHOOLS IF IT'S PROPERLY RESOURCED AND IF THE STATE SCHOOLS ARE GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE DISTRACTING THE ATTENTION AND RESOURCING AWAY FROM ALLOWING THEM TO DO THAT. WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS LET'S BACK THE STATE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF KIWI KIDS ARE ATTENDING, TO ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THOSE KIDS, RATHER THAN PICKING OFF A HANDFUL OF KIDS TO SEND TO A CHARTER SCHOOL, WHERE THEY GET A MUCH BETTER DEAL. YEAH, BUT WHEN YOU SAY THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, THESE ARE NOT` THESE` THESE CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T PICK OFF THE RICH KIDS, THE WEALTHY KIDS, THE BRIGHT KIDS. THEY PICK UP THE TROUBLED KIDS, AND THE REPORTS TELL US IT'S WORKING. THEY'RE DOING STUFF FOR THEM THE STATE SYSTEM COULDN'T. WELL, NO, I DON'T ACCEPT THAT THE STATE SYSTEM COULDN'T. THE STATE SYSTEM CAN DO AMAZING THINGS FOR KIDS WHO ARE DISADVANTAGED OR WHO AREN'T SUCCEEDING IF THEY'RE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, IF THEY'RE GIVEN THE RESOURCING. AT THE MOMENT THEY'RE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE RESOURCING THEY REALLY NEED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THOSE KIDS. SO, YOU WENT TO THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL IN QUESTION TONIGHT, WHAT DID YOU SEE? DID YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DISLIKED? DID YOU`? I SAW AT THE CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT I VISITED ` I VISITED THREE OF THEM SO FAR ` MANY OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN PUBLIC SCHOOLS UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY ` SOME REALLY PASSIONATE EDUCATORS WHO ARE ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO MAKING A DIFFERENCE FOR THE STUDENTS IN THEIR CLASSROOM, BUT WHAT I ALSO SAW WAS THAT THEY ARE GETTING A BETTER DEAL WHEN IT COMES TO RESOURCING THAN STATE SCHOOLS. CAN WE SAFELY SAY THAT OF THE CHARTER SCHOOLS WE HAVE IN THE COUNTRY, SHOULD YOU GET TO GOVERNMENT, THERE WILL BE NO MORE CHARTER SCHOOLS? OH, THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE NO MORE CHARTER SCHOOLS UNDER A LABOUR GOVERNMENT. He has been blinded by his own ideology. I don't understand you can add that ideology of not wanting them, but when something is working why change it. I don't get that. My argument is that it was in a magic bullet. It was an alternative. It encapsulates every kid in the country and for it to work out fine as stupid. There was one up in Northland that was having trouble and closed. So how come you can't look at that and say it works. It is targeted help. And that is always better than the broadbrush. IT'S NO SECRET WE HAVE AN OBESITY PROBLEM, BUT IS WEIGHT-LOSS SURGERY FOR KIDS THE BEST SOLUTION? IF WE LEFT THEM ALONE AND JUST GAVE THEM CONVENTIONAL MEDICAL THERAPY, THEY'D HAVE A TERRIBLE LIFE. PLUS ` THE WARRIORS BLEW MASSIVE CHUNKS. IT'S GOING TO BE THE WARRIORS' GREATEST COLLAPSE. YOU'VE GOTTA ASK YOURSELF, WHAT ELSE COULD THEY DO INSTEAD OF LEAGUE? ALL: WE GOT SOME IDEAS. BUT WHAT IF HE'S LYING TO YOU? HE WOULDN'T DO THAT! SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SPICER HITS TRUMP UP FOR SOME ANSWERS? AND FLIPPING MOTHER'S DAY AROUND ` WHY THIS MUM'S CELEBRATING WHAT SHE CAN NOW DO FOR HER KIDS. I COULDN'T EVEN WALK TO THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY AND GET THE MAIL WITHOUT HAVING A LIE-DOWN FOR AN HOUR. IT'S NO SECRET MORE AND MORE OF OUR KIDS ARE BECOMING OBESE. IN FACT, ALMOST ONE-THIRD OF KIWI KIDS AGED UP TO 17 WILL BE OVERWEIGHT BY THE YEAR 2025. BUT AN AUSTRALIAN SURGEON HAS COME UP WITH A CONTROVERSIAL SOLUTION. HE'S CALLING FOR OBESE CHILDREN, SOME AS YOUNG AS 11, TO UNDERGO STOMACH-STAPLING SURGERY. SO, WOULD NEW ZEALAND CONSIDER THE APPROACH? ONE DOCTOR ON THE FRONTLINE OF OUR OBESITY EPIDEMIC SAYS THE IDEA OF OPERATING ON THESE ADOLESCENTS IS UNPALATABLE, BUT ADMITS THERE IS PRESSURE TO DO IT. WELL, WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN ASKED TO LOOK INTO IT, BECAUSE IN OUR HOSPITAL, THERE IS A PRESSURE FOR SURGEONS TO PERFORM SURGERY ON ADOLESCENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S AN ADOLESCENT DIABETES CLINIC WHERE THERE ARE VERY OBESE ADOLESCENTS WHO, IF WE LEFT THEM ALONE AND JUST GAVE THEM CONVENTIONAL MEDICAL THERAPY, THEY'D HAVE A TERRIBLE LIFE, LOTS OF COMPLICATIONS FROM THEIR DIABETES, PROBABLY A SHORTER LIFE, POOR QUALITY OF LIFE, AND THERE'S NO OTHER REALLY GOOD OPTIONS FOR THEM. IT'S A NASTY CONSEQUENCE OF OUR TOXIC FOOD ENVIRONMENT AND PARTLY THEIR GENETIC MAKEUP. He has the same problem as I had do. George Hopkins is the guy that came up with the idea. He is a Brisbane doctor. He says it works. And no one argues that. It works adults and teens. It's a psychological hurdle you have to get over. What you say to a huge fat kid, you tell them to run. And change your life. They would have attempted that to get to that point. But why is the get that big? It is societal and a family thing. Does that solve the problem long-term? And that is why everyone has a problem. It would still have to be holistic even if you had the surgery. Yyou would need a excise plan. There is still the mental impact of it. The mental side of being morbidly obese everything that goes with it. That is what George said. One of his patients refused to go to school. Kids that are bullied are big kids. And that's how you can save your life. And the physicals implication of it all of it. If you're a parent at their wits end, you might consider it. But there is also the cost of it. Surgery is expensive. DON'T THE WARRIORS JUST BREAK FANS' HEARTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN? THEY LOST TO EASY BEATS THE PENRITH PANTHERS AFTER BEING UP AT HALFTIME BY A WHOPPING 22 POINTS. 22! IT'S GONNA BE THE WARRIOR'S GREATEST COLLAPSE. NEVER A 22-POINT BUFFER. THE PANTHER'S FANS ARE PROUD. THEY'VE COME FROM 28-6 DOWN TO WIN IT OH-SO REMARKABLY. We should have played some of the highlights. We were on a role in the first half. There was fantastic highlights in the first 40 minutes. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THIS IS LIKE FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME ` 22 YEAR FAN, LOYAL YEAR IN, YEAR OUT ` AND THE QUESTION IS BEING ASKED BY MANY ` SHOULD WE SIMPLY GIVE UP ON THE TEAM AND TURN OUT BACKS? THAT OF COURSE IS NOT THE WARRIOR WAY, FAR LESS THE KIWI WAY. BUT LET'S BE HONEST. LEAGUE'S NOT GOING SO GREAT FOR THE WARRIORS. SO IS IT TIME FOR A CHANGE? TIM WILSON WONDERS WHAT ELSE COULD THEY DO? HERE'S A FAMILIAR WARRIORS STORY ` AT HALFTIME, VICTORY; THIS TIME, VICTORY GOES TO DAVID FUSITUA. AT FULLTIME, DEFEAT. THE PANTHERS FANS ARE PROUD. AND TWO DAYS LATER, FOR FANS, STILL DISBELIEF. (CLEARS THROAT) I THINK WE COULD'VE DONE A BIT BETTER. IT WAS A BIT OF AN UPSET. YOU MEAN, LIKE, WON? YEAH, DEFINITELY. (LAUGHS) THE WHOLE LEAGUE THING DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING OUT FOR THE WARRIORS. IS THERE ANOTHER JOB YOU THINK THEY MIGHT DO? (LAUGHS) I DUNNO. GRAVE DIGGING? (LAUGHS) WANT THEM TO WORK AT MCDONALDS. (LAUGHS) WE GOT CHANGE GURU JILL BRINSDON ON TO THE CASE. WE SHOULD PIVOT THEM, AND PUT THEM INTO SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN USE THAT ABILITY TO TURN THE NEGATIVE INTO THE POSITIVE. YOU MEAN TO TURN THE POSITIVE INTO THE NEGATIVE. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING? I'M THINKING LOOK AT THE PR DISASTER THAT JETSTAR IS. TRUE ` THEY COULD DEFINITELY BE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS, BECAUSE THEY GIVE STUFF AWAY FOR FREE. OR TRADIES, BECAUSE THEY ONLY DO HALF THE JOB. UP, DOWN. UP, DOWN. RUNNING ROUND. OR FUN-PARK ATTENDANTS, BECAUSE FOLLOWING THEM IS A ROLLER COASTER. STRIPPERS. (LAUGHS) YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY THAT. WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN MAGIC MIKE TEAM OF EPIC STRIPPERS ` THEY COULD PERHAPS RAISE MONEY FOR CHARITY. BUT THEY'D BE USELESS STRIPPERS, BECAUSE THEY'D ONLY STOP AT THE SHIRT. ON THE ONE HAND, YOU COULD SAY THEY'RE LOSING; ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU COULD SAY WE LOVE AN UNDERDOG IN NEW ZEALAND. WE STILL GOT LOVE FOR THE WARRIORS. AFTER ALL, WHEN LOSING THIS BIG GETS EVERYONE'S ATTENTION, WHO NEEDS TO WIN? You still love them. Sean Johnson always comes in. They are not trying to lose. I was trying to say to Tim early on that Sean Johnson has faith. It upsets me. They are not fit enough and they fell apart. They can't keep up with a side that can play a full match. The mental side is tricky. But physical fitness is an excusable at the top level. The problem is that we had this conversation every second year. This hasn't changed a long time. It hasn't changed in 22 years. It has been the same story here in year out. But I have not given up hope for the rest of the season. YOU'RE ABOUT TO MEET NIKI TOD, AND SHE'S A BATTLER. THERE HAVE BEEN MOMENTS WHEN I HAVE THOUGHT, 'I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH.' WHICH IS WHY THIS ACHIEVEMENT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT... YAY! WE DID IT! AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SPICER CONFRONTS TRUMP? HAVE YOU EVER TOLD ME TO SAY THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE? ONLY SINCE YOU STARTED WORKING HERE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A CONVINCING IMITATION, THEN YOU CAN'T GO PAST MELLISSA MCCARTHY AS WHITEHOUSE SPOKESPERSON SEAN SPICER AND ALEC BALDWIN AS DONALD TRUMP. YES, AND OVER THE WEEKEND, THEY WERE TOGETHER ON SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE, AND THINGS GOT A LITTLE SPICE-Y. I AM BEING STRAIGHT WITH YOU. I'M TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD ME. BUT WHAT IF HE'S LYING TO YOU? HE WOULDN'T DO THAT. HE'S MY FRIEND. KISS ME. NO. I CAN'T. I HAVE A WIFE ` I TOOK VOWS. I'M FAMOUS ` IT'S OK. NO, NO, WAIT! IS THIS LIKE THE GODFATHER, AND YOU KISS ME, AND NO ONE EVER SEES ME AGAIN? YES. The big story today is that he is getting sacked. Sean Spicer and Bannon. He is cleaning out and has nothing to lose. All his advisers say start again and reboot. And the woman that build on from yesterday, SO FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE, MOTHER'S DAY IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO FEEL GRATEFUL FOR ALL YOUR MUM DOES FOR YOU. BUT FOR NIKI TOD, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT'S A DAY WHEN SHE FEELS GRATEFUL FOR ALL SHE CAN DO FOR HER KIDS. YOU SEE NIKI HAS A SERIOUS HEART CONDITION, BUT SHE'S RISING ABOVE IT TO THANK THOSE WHO'VE HELPED HER STICK AROUND. GILL HIGGINS EXPLAINS. ON SUCH A BEAUTIFUL SUNNY MOTHERS DAY, WHO'D WANT BREAKFAST IN BED WHEN YOU COULD TREK 5K ROUND A RACE TRACK? SERIOUSLY, THOUGH, FOR NIKI TOD, THIS IS THE BEST. I JUST SKIDDED. DID YOU? DON'T FALL OVER. I GET TO ENJOY MY CHILDREN, GET TO ENJOY THE TIME WITH MY HUSBAND. AND CHERISHING, JUST LOTS OF LITTLE THINGS. SORRY, IT IS AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE. UM, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MOMENTS WHEN I HAVE THOUGHT I AM NOT GOING OT MAKE IT THROUGH. THAT'S MY AIM NEXT YEAR. I'M GOING TO HULA HOOP IT NEXT YEAR. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT, BUT NIKI'S BATTLING HEART PROBLEMS. I COULD BE SITTING HERE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, MY HEART RATE WILL ZIP UP TO 180 FROM RESTING HEART RATE OF 67. IT BECOMES HARD TO BREATHE. IT GETS QUITE SERIOUS. I DO LOSE CONSCIOUSNESS. SO IF YOU HAVE ONE NOW, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? CALL 111. SOMETHING THEY'VE HAD TO TEACH 6-YEAR-OLD SAM. IF MY MUM CAN'T REACH THE PHONE, I GET THE PHONE AND DIAL 111. SCARY. VERY, VERY SCARY. MY FIRST ONE WAS WHEN I WAS FIVE-MONTHS PREGNANT WITH SAM, AND THEN MY NEXT MAJOR ONE WAS REALLY SERIOUS. I COLLAPSED, AND THAT WAS FOUR DAYS IN HOSPITAL. NIKI'S ONLY IN HER 40S, BUT THE EFFECTS MEANT EVERYDAY LIFE WAS A BATTLE. I COULDN'T EVEN WALK TO THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY AND GET THE MAIL WITHOUT HAVING TO LIE DOWN FOR AN HOUR. I COULDN'T THINK STRAIGHT. PUTTING THINGS LIKE MILK IN THE OVEN. AND YOU FEEL THAT YOU AREN'T BEING THE MUM THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO BE. I WENT TO A VERY DARK PLACE, AND I SEE THAT NOW, COMING THROUGH THAT JOURNEY. OOOH, LOOK AT THOSE. SHE'S WORKING CLOSELY WITH HER DOCTORS ON HER HEART. ARE THOSE THE ONES YOU'RE HAVING, ARE THEY? YES. OK. YOU CAN HAVE ONE. OH, THANKS. WITH SAM ON HER FITNESS AND WITH THE HEART FOUNDATION ON HER MIND. THEIR ENCOURAGEMENT AND EXPERTISE ARE JUST PHENOMENAL, WHAT THEY DO. THAT IT'S REALLY A NO-BRAINER FOR ME TO GET BEHIND AND SUPPORT THEM, RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT HEART HEALTH. SO FOR THE SECOND TIME, SHE'S TACKLING THE HEART FOUNDATION WALK. HOW DID IT GO LAST TIME? (CHUCKLES) NOT SO GREAT. I HAD ACTUALLY BEEN IN HOSPITAL THE WEEK PRIOR. I ONLY MANAGED TO DO ONE LAP VERY SLOWLY. SO HOW DID IT GO? WELL, FIRST COME THE RUNNERS. THEN THE JOGGERS. THEN BRINGING UP THE REAR, THERE'S NIKI. DIZZY AND BREATHLESS, BUT FEELING LIKE A WINNER EVERY DAY. JUST BEING ABLE TO BE SIX FEET ABOVE GROUND AND BE HEALTHY AND HAPPY AND HAVE TWO AMAZING KIDS... IS GREAT. Fantastic. They think that jogging does all the good stuff but it slows the ageing of cells. So I can actually slow the ageing cells and you can live longer. I spoke to Jill at length about the story, but the mental side having to live with something like that. When your children are involved, is worse than dealing with the physical symptoms. I am here to help. There is a guy called Adam Grant on my breakfast show. And he deals and resilience. And how to build it. Have a great night. CAPTIONS BY ANTONY VLUG AND FAITH HAMBLYN. CAPTIONS WERE MADE WITH THE SUPPORT OF NZ ON AIR. COPYRIGHT ABLE 2017.