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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for your humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all things, your guidance in all things, and your guidance in all things, and laying your guidance in all things, and laying aside your guidance in all things, and laying aside all your guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we ask and personal interests, we ask that and personal interests, we ask that you and personal interests, we ask that you grant we ask that you grant that we ask that you grant that we we ask that you grant that we may we ask that you grant that we may conduct we ask that you grant that we may conduct the we ask that you grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of your of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy name, to the glory of your holy name, the to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. 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That would cost our dairy industry $600 billion cost our dairy industry $600 billion a cost our dairy industry $600 billion a year cost our dairy industry $600 billion a year and cost our dairy industry $600 billion a year and effectively cost our dairy industry $600 billion a year and effectively destroy cost our dairy industry $600 billion a year and effectively destroy New a year and effectively destroy New Zealand's a year and effectively destroy New Zealand's largest a year and effectively destroy New Zealand's largest export a year and effectively destroy New Zealand's largest export industry. Zealand's largest export industry. Those Zealand's largest export industry. Those facts Zealand's largest export industry. Those facts just Zealand's largest export industry. Those facts just reinforce Zealand's largest export industry. Those facts just reinforce the Zealand's largest export industry. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Conservation: Minister of Conservation: What Minister of Conservation: What announcements Minister of Conservation: What announcements has Minister of Conservation: What announcements has she Minister of Conservation: What announcements has she made What announcements has she made about What announcements has she made about increased What announcements has she made about increased support about increased support for about increased support for the about increased support for the Department about increased support for the Department of about increased support for the Department of Conservation for the Department of Conservation in for the Department of Conservation in Budget for the Department of Conservation in Budget 2017? Thank Thank you, Thank you, Mr Thank you, Mr Speaker. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was very Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was very pleased Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was very pleased to Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was very pleased to preannounce, Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was very pleased to preannounce, so Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was very pleased to preannounce, so far, Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was very pleased to preannounce, so far, that pleased to preannounce, so far, that in pleased to preannounce, so far, that in Budget pleased to preannounce, so far, that in Budget 2017, pleased to preannounce, so far, that in Budget 2017, there pleased to preannounce, so far, that in Budget 2017, there will pleased to preannounce, so far, that in Budget 2017, there will be pleased to preannounce, so far, that in Budget 2017, there will be a pleased to preannounce, so far, that in Budget 2017, there will be a $76 in Budget 2017, there will be a $76 million in Budget 2017, there will be a $76 million funding in Budget 2017, there will be a $76 million funding injection in Budget 2017, there will be a $76 million funding injection for in Budget 2017, there will be a $76 million funding injection for new million funding injection for new and million funding injection for new and upgraded million funding injection for new and upgraded visitor million funding injection for new and upgraded visitor facilities million funding injection for new and upgraded visitor facilities and and upgraded visitor facilities and experiences and upgraded visitor facilities and experiences on and upgraded visitor facilities and experiences on New and upgraded visitor facilities and experiences on New Zealand's experiences on New Zealand's conservation experiences on New Zealand's conservation estate experiences on New Zealand's conservation estate - experiences on New Zealand's conservation estate - that experiences on New Zealand's conservation estate - that is experiences on New Zealand's conservation estate - that is the conservation estate - that is the largest conservation estate - that is the largest increase conservation estate - that is the largest increase DOC conservation estate - that is the largest increase DOC has conservation estate - that is the largest increase DOC has ever conservation estate - that is the largest increase DOC has ever had conservation estate - that is the largest increase DOC has ever had in largest increase DOC has ever had in its largest increase DOC has ever had in its 30-year largest increase DOC has ever had in its 30-year history. largest increase DOC has ever had in its 30-year history. This largest increase DOC has ever had in its 30-year history. This Budget its 30-year history. This Budget package its 30-year history. This Budget package will its 30-year history. This Budget package will let its 30-year history. This Budget package will let DOC its 30-year history. This Budget package will let DOC get its 30-year history. This Budget package will let DOC get on its 30-year history. This Budget package will let DOC get on with its 30-year history. This Budget package will let DOC get on with its package will let DOC get on with its job package will let DOC get on with its job of package will let DOC get on with its job of providing package will let DOC get on with its job of providing quality package will let DOC get on with its job of providing quality experiences job of providing quality experiences on job of providing quality experiences on conservation job of providing quality experiences on conservation land, job of providing quality experiences on conservation land, whilst job of providing quality experiences on conservation land, whilst still on conservation land, whilst still maintaining on conservation land, whilst still maintaining the on conservation land, whilst still maintaining the conservation on conservation land, whilst still maintaining the conservation work maintaining the conservation work necessary maintaining the conservation work necessary to maintaining the conservation work necessary to protect maintaining the conservation work necessary to protect our maintaining the conservation work necessary to protect our natural necessary to protect our natural environment necessary to protect our natural environment and necessary to protect our natural environment and threatened necessary to protect our natural environment and threatened species. environment and threatened species. We environment and threatened species. We will environment and threatened species. We will create environment and threatened species. We will create a environment and threatened species. We will create a predator-free environment and threatened species. We will create a predator-free New We will create a predator-free New Zealand We will create a predator-free New Zealand by We will create a predator-free New Zealand by 2050, We will create a predator-free New Zealand by 2050, and We will create a predator-free New Zealand by 2050, and preserve We will create a predator-free New Zealand by 2050, and preserve our Zealand by 2050, and preserve our wonderful Zealand by 2050, and preserve our wonderful landscapes Zealand by 2050, and preserve our wonderful landscapes for Zealand by 2050, and preserve our wonderful landscapes for everyone Zealand by 2050, and preserve our wonderful landscapes for everyone to wonderful landscapes for everyone to see wonderful landscapes for everyone to see and wonderful landscapes for everyone to see and enjoy. wonderful landscapes for everyone to see and enjoy. In wonderful landscapes for everyone to see and enjoy. In addition, wonderful landscapes for everyone to see and enjoy. In addition, I wonderful landscapes for everyone to see and enjoy. In addition, I have see and enjoy. In addition, I have announced see and enjoy. In addition, I have announced a see and enjoy. In addition, I have announced a $21 see and enjoy. In addition, I have announced a $21 million see and enjoy. In addition, I have announced a $21 million Battle see and enjoy. In addition, I have announced a $21 million Battle for announced a $21 million Battle for our announced a $21 million Battle for our Birds announced a $21 million Battle for our Birds - announced a $21 million Battle for our Birds - the announced a $21 million Battle for our Birds - the largest our Birds - the largest predator-control our Birds - the largest predator-control Programme our Birds - the largest predator-control Programme ever predator-control Programme ever undertaken predator-control Programme ever undertaken in predator-control Programme ever undertaken in New predator-control Programme ever undertaken in New Zealand predator-control Programme ever undertaken in New Zealand - predator-control Programme ever undertaken in New Zealand - and predator-control Programme ever undertaken in New Zealand - and as undertaken in New Zealand - and as part undertaken in New Zealand - and as part of undertaken in New Zealand - and as part of the undertaken in New Zealand - and as part of the threatened undertaken in New Zealand - and as part of the threatened species part of the threatened species strategy part of the threatened species strategy I part of the threatened species strategy I released part of the threatened species strategy I released two part of the threatened species strategy I released two weeks part of the threatened species strategy I released two weeks ago, part of the threatened species strategy I released two weeks ago, a strategy I released two weeks ago, a $2.8 strategy I released two weeks ago, a $2.8 million strategy I released two weeks ago, a $2.8 million injection strategy I released two weeks ago, a $2.8 million injection into strategy I released two weeks ago, a $2.8 million injection into the strategy I released two weeks ago, a $2.8 million injection into the sea $2.8 million injection into the sea lion $2.8 million injection into the sea lion threat $2.8 million injection into the sea lion threat management $2.8 million injection into the sea lion threat management strategy. lion threat management strategy. What lion threat management strategy. What projects lion threat management strategy. What projects will lion threat management strategy. What projects will the lion threat management strategy. What projects will the new lion threat management strategy. What projects will the new money What projects will the new money fund? What projects will the new money fund? The What projects will the new money fund? The benefits What projects will the new money fund? The benefits of What projects will the new money fund? The benefits of this What projects will the new money fund? The benefits of this funding fund? The benefits of this funding injection fund? The benefits of this funding injection will fund? The benefits of this funding injection will be fund? The benefits of this funding injection will be felt fund? The benefits of this funding injection will be felt right fund? The benefits of this funding injection will be felt right across injection will be felt right across the injection will be felt right across the country. injection will be felt right across the country. DOC injection will be felt right across the country. DOC will injection will be felt right across the country. DOC will be injection will be felt right across the country. DOC will be up injection will be felt right across the country. DOC will be up grading the country. DOC will be up grading facilities the country. DOC will be up grading facilities that the country. DOC will be up grading facilities that are the country. DOC will be up grading facilities that are under the country. DOC will be up grading facilities that are under pressure facilities that are under pressure to facilities that are under pressure to ensure facilities that are under pressure to ensure that facilities that are under pressure to ensure that the facilities that are under pressure to ensure that the visitor to ensure that the visitor experiences to ensure that the visitor experiences remain to ensure that the visitor experiences remain top-class. to ensure that the visitor experiences remain top-class. We experiences remain top-class. We will experiences remain top-class. We will be experiences remain top-class. We will be building experiences remain top-class. We will be building two experiences remain top-class. We will be building two great experiences remain top-class. We will be building two great walks experiences remain top-class. We will be building two great walks and will be building two great walks and putting will be building two great walks and putting together will be building two great walks and putting together a will be building two great walks and putting together a package will be building two great walks and putting together a package looking putting together a package looking for putting together a package looking for shorter putting together a package looking for shorter walks, putting together a package looking for shorter walks, with putting together a package looking for shorter walks, with a putting together a package looking for shorter walks, with a new for shorter walks, with a new network for shorter walks, with a new network of for shorter walks, with a new network of Great for shorter walks, with a new network of Great Day for shorter walks, with a new network of Great Day and for shorter walks, with a new network of Great Day and Great for shorter walks, with a new network of Great Day and Great Short network of Great Day and Great Short Works. network of Great Day and Great Short Works. 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Importantly, this level of investment will deliver more investment will deliver more visitors investment will deliver more visitors who investment will deliver more visitors who will investment will deliver more visitors who will have investment will deliver more visitors who will have better visitors who will have better experiences visitors who will have better experiences and, visitors who will have better experiences and, therefore, visitors who will have better experiences and, therefore, will experiences and, therefore, will deliver experiences and, therefore, will deliver more experiences and, therefore, will deliver more revenue experiences and, therefore, will deliver more revenue to experiences and, therefore, will deliver more revenue to DOC, experiences and, therefore, will deliver more revenue to DOC, which deliver more revenue to DOC, which can deliver more revenue to DOC, which can then deliver more revenue to DOC, which can then be deliver more revenue to DOC, which can then be reinvested deliver more revenue to DOC, which can then be reinvested into can then be reinvested into biodiversity can then be reinvested into biodiversity and can then be reinvested into biodiversity and species can then be reinvested into biodiversity and species protection. biodiversity and species protection. Why biodiversity and species protection. Why doesn't biodiversity and species protection. Why doesn't the biodiversity and species protection. Why doesn't the Minister biodiversity and species protection. Why doesn't the Minister keep biodiversity and species protection. Why doesn't the Minister keep it Why doesn't the Minister keep it real Why doesn't the Minister keep it real about Why doesn't the Minister keep it real about the Why doesn't the Minister keep it real about the situation Why doesn't the Minister keep it real about the situation and Why doesn't the Minister keep it real about the situation and agree real about the situation and agree that, real about the situation and agree that, under real about the situation and agree that, under her real about the situation and agree that, under her leadership, real about the situation and agree that, under her leadership, DOC real about the situation and agree that, under her leadership, DOC has that, under her leadership, DOC has been that, under her leadership, DOC has been on that, under her leadership, DOC has been on a that, under her leadership, DOC has been on a hiding that, under her leadership, DOC has been on a hiding to that, under her leadership, DOC has been on a hiding to nothing that, under her leadership, DOC has been on a hiding to nothing with been on a hiding to nothing with this been on a hiding to nothing with this proposed been on a hiding to nothing with this proposed increase been on a hiding to nothing with this proposed increase in been on a hiding to nothing with this proposed increase in spending this proposed increase in spending coming this proposed increase in spending coming nowhere this proposed increase in spending coming nowhere close this proposed increase in spending coming nowhere close to this proposed increase in spending coming nowhere close to the this proposed increase in spending coming nowhere close to the $336 coming nowhere close to the $336 million coming nowhere close to the $336 million - coming nowhere close to the $336 million - $336 coming nowhere close to the $336 million - $336 million! coming nowhere close to the $336 million - $336 million! - coming nowhere close to the $336 million - $336 million! - National million - $336 million! - National has million - $336 million! - National has cut million - $336 million! - National has cut from million - $336 million! - National has cut from their million - $336 million! - National has cut from their coffers million - $336 million! - National has cut from their coffers since has cut from their coffers since they has cut from their coffers since they were has cut from their coffers since they were in has cut from their coffers since they were in power? has cut from their coffers since they were in power? 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We have from DOC than at any other time in New Zealand's history. We have a New Zealand's history. We have a threatened New Zealand's history. We have a threatened species New Zealand's history. We have a threatened species strategy New Zealand's history. We have a threatened species strategy that threatened species strategy that points threatened species strategy that points and threatened species strategy that points and focuses threatened species strategy that points and focuses to threatened species strategy that points and focuses to our threatened species strategy that points and focuses to our most points and focuses to our most at-risk points and focuses to our most at-risk species. points and focuses to our most at-risk species. We points and focuses to our most at-risk species. We are points and focuses to our most at-risk species. We are paying points and focuses to our most at-risk species. We are paying more at-risk species. We are paying more attention at-risk species. We are paying more attention to at-risk species. We are paying more attention to this at-risk species. We are paying more attention to this than at-risk species. We are paying more attention to this than ever at-risk species. We are paying more attention to this than ever before. attention to this than ever before. There attention to this than ever before. There has attention to this than ever before. There has been attention to this than ever before. There has been no attention to this than ever before. There has been no reduction attention to this than ever before. There has been no reduction in attention to this than ever before. There has been no reduction in DOC There has been no reduction in DOC spending There has been no reduction in DOC spending and There has been no reduction in DOC spending and allowances. There has been no reduction in DOC spending and allowances. What There has been no reduction in DOC spending and allowances. What other spending and allowances. What other announcement spending and allowances. What other announcement has spending and allowances. What other announcement has she spending and allowances. What other announcement has she made spending and allowances. What other announcement has she made on announcement has she made on increased announcement has she made on increased funding announcement has she made on increased funding for announcement has she made on increased funding for DOC's increased funding for DOC's biodiversity increased funding for DOC's biodiversity work? increased funding for DOC's biodiversity work? I increased funding for DOC's biodiversity work? I have increased funding for DOC's biodiversity work? I have also biodiversity work? I have also announced biodiversity work? I have also announced the biodiversity work? I have also announced the $21 biodiversity work? I have also announced the $21 million biodiversity work? I have also announced the $21 million funding announced the $21 million funding increase announced the $21 million funding increase to announced the $21 million funding increase to launch announced the $21 million funding increase to launch the announced the $21 million funding increase to launch the Battle announced the $21 million funding increase to launch the Battle for increase to launch the Battle for our increase to launch the Battle for our Birds increase to launch the Battle for our Birds in increase to launch the Battle for our Birds in 2017 increase to launch the Battle for our Birds in 2017 - increase to launch the Battle for our Birds in 2017 - that increase to launch the Battle for our Birds in 2017 - that is increase to launch the Battle for our Birds in 2017 - that is in our Birds in 2017 - that is in direct our Birds in 2017 - that is in direct response our Birds in 2017 - that is in direct response to our Birds in 2017 - that is in direct response to a our Birds in 2017 - that is in direct response to a beach our Birds in 2017 - that is in direct response to a beach mast, our Birds in 2017 - that is in direct response to a beach mast, or direct response to a beach mast, or seeding direct response to a beach mast, or seeding event. direct response to a beach mast, or seeding event. It direct response to a beach mast, or seeding event. It is direct response to a beach mast, or seeding event. It is a direct response to a beach mast, or seeding event. It is a major seeding event. It is a major predator-control seeding event. It is a major predator-control operation. seeding event. It is a major predator-control operation. What predator-control operation. What members predator-control operation. What members need predator-control operation. What members need to predator-control operation. What members need to appreciate predator-control operation. What members need to appreciate is predator-control operation. What members need to appreciate is that members need to appreciate is that predator-control members need to appreciate is that predator-control across members need to appreciate is that predator-control across 800,000 predator-control across 800,000 hectares predator-control across 800,000 hectares will predator-control across 800,000 hectares will save predator-control across 800,000 hectares will save a predator-control across 800,000 hectares will save a lot predator-control across 800,000 hectares will save a lot of predator-control across 800,000 hectares will save a lot of species, hectares will save a lot of species, protect hectares will save a lot of species, protect a hectares will save a lot of species, protect a lot hectares will save a lot of species, protect a lot of hectares will save a lot of species, protect a lot of habitats, hectares will save a lot of species, protect a lot of habitats, and protect a lot of habitats, and improve protect a lot of habitats, and improve the protect a lot of habitats, and improve the lot protect a lot of habitats, and improve the lot for protect a lot of habitats, and improve the lot for biodiversity. protect a lot of habitats, and improve the lot for biodiversity. We improve the lot for biodiversity. We will improve the lot for biodiversity. We will deal improve the lot for biodiversity. We will deal with improve the lot for biodiversity. We will deal with the improve the lot for biodiversity. We will deal with the plague improve the lot for biodiversity. We will deal with the plague of improve the lot for biodiversity. We will deal with the plague of rats will deal with the plague of rats and will deal with the plague of rats and stoats will deal with the plague of rats and stoats that will deal with the plague of rats and stoats that threaten will deal with the plague of rats and stoats that threaten our will deal with the plague of rats and stoats that threaten our native and stoats that threaten our native wildlife. and stoats that threaten our native wildlife. With and stoats that threaten our native wildlife. With this and stoats that threaten our native wildlife. With this money, and stoats that threaten our native wildlife. With this money, DOC and stoats that threaten our native wildlife. With this money, DOC will wildlife. With this money, DOC will be wildlife. With this money, DOC will be able wildlife. With this money, DOC will be able to wildlife. With this money, DOC will be able to carry wildlife. With this money, DOC will be able to carry out wildlife. With this money, DOC will be able to carry out real wildlife. 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There are a across Wilding Pines. There are a whole across Wilding Pines. There are a whole range across Wilding Pines. There are a whole range of across Wilding Pines. There are a whole range of species across Wilding Pines. There are a whole range of species protections, whole range of species protections, and whole range of species protections, and our whole range of species protections, and our species whole range of species protections, and our species and whole range of species protections, and our species and our whole range of species protections, and our species and our biodiversity and our species and our biodiversity is and our species and our biodiversity is the and our species and our biodiversity is the real and our species and our biodiversity is the real winner and our species and our biodiversity is the real winner here. 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It allows staff to target those with the highest risk of those with the highest risk of causing those with the highest risk of causing alcohol-related those with the highest risk of causing alcohol-related harm those with the highest risk of causing alcohol-related harm with causing alcohol-related harm with more causing alcohol-related harm with more intensive causing alcohol-related harm with more intensive testing causing alcohol-related harm with more intensive testing and more intensive testing and monitoring. more intensive testing and monitoring. The more intensive testing and monitoring. The main more intensive testing and monitoring. The main form more intensive testing and monitoring. The main form of more intensive testing and monitoring. The main form of testing monitoring. The main form of testing will monitoring. The main form of testing will be monitoring. The main form of testing will be urine monitoring. The main form of testing will be urine testing, monitoring. 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Staff can then take action, giving further treatment or action, giving further treatment or sanctions action, giving further treatment or sanctions to action, giving further treatment or sanctions to offenders action, giving further treatment or sanctions to offenders who action, giving further treatment or sanctions to offenders who have sanctions to offenders who have breached sanctions to offenders who have breached their sanctions to offenders who have breached their conditions. breached their conditions. How breached their conditions. How will breached their conditions. How will this breached their conditions. How will this new breached their conditions. How will this new initiative breached their conditions. How will this new initiative help breached their conditions. How will this new initiative help to How will this new initiative help to reduce How will this new initiative help to reduce reoffending? reduce reoffending? Harmful reduce reoffending? 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We want to use technology that's been tested thoroughly that's been tested thoroughly overseas that's been tested thoroughly overseas and that's been tested thoroughly overseas and is that's been tested thoroughly overseas and is used that's been tested thoroughly overseas and is used by that's been tested thoroughly overseas and is used by other overseas and is used by other countries. overseas and is used by other countries. In overseas and is used by other countries. In this overseas and is used by other countries. In this cases overseas and is used by other countries. In this cases this countries. In this cases this technology countries. In this cases this technology is countries. In this cases this technology is new countries. In this cases this technology is new to countries. In this cases this technology is new to New countries. In this cases this technology is new to New Zealand. countries. In this cases this technology is new to New Zealand. 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What tested. What other tested. What other interventions tested. What other interventions has What other interventions has Corrections What other interventions has Corrections targeted What other interventions has Corrections targeted at What other interventions has Corrections targeted at offenders Corrections targeted at offenders with Corrections targeted at offenders with alcohol Corrections targeted at offenders with alcohol and Corrections targeted at offenders with alcohol and drug Corrections targeted at offenders with alcohol and drug issues? with alcohol and drug issues? As with alcohol and drug issues? As part with alcohol and drug issues? As part of with alcohol and drug issues? As part of an with alcohol and drug issues? As part of an $8.6 with alcohol and drug issues? As part of an $8.6 million with alcohol and drug issues? 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There are also 16 new alcohol and drug after-care workers employed and drug after-care workers employed in and drug after-care workers employed in prisons and drug after-care workers employed in prisons across and drug after-care workers employed in prisons across the and drug after-care workers employed in prisons across the country and drug after-care workers employed in prisons across the country since in prisons across the country since July in prisons across the country since July last in prisons across the country since July last year. in prisons across the country since July last year. And in prisons across the country since July last year. And in in prisons across the country since July last year. And in addition, July last year. And in addition, over July last year. And in addition, over and July last year. And in addition, over and above July last year. And in addition, over and above the July last year. And in addition, over and above the existing July last year. 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Is there any objection to it being Library. Is there any objection to it being tabled? Library. Is there any objection to it being tabled? There Library. Is there any objection to it being tabled? There is Library. Is there any objection to it being tabled? There is objection. it being tabled? There is objection. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! 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The plan will reduce New Zealand's greenhouse carbon dioxide. The plan will reduce New Zealand's greenhouse gas New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions by New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions by over New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions by over 1 New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions by over 1 million New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions by over 1 million tonnes emissions by over 1 million tonnes of emissions by over 1 million tonnes of CO2 emissions by over 1 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent emissions by over 1 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent per emissions by over 1 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent per year. emissions by over 1 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent per year. The of CO2 equivalent per year. The environmental of CO2 equivalent per year. The environmental benefit of CO2 equivalent per year. The environmental benefit of of CO2 equivalent per year. 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It is estimated that these gases will is estimated that these gases will make is estimated that these gases will make up is estimated that these gases will make up about is estimated that these gases will make up about 14% is estimated that these gases will make up about 14% of is estimated that these gases will make up about 14% of the is estimated that these gases will make up about 14% of the global make up about 14% of the global greenhouse make up about 14% of the global greenhouse gas make up about 14% of the global greenhouse gas emission make up about 14% of the global greenhouse gas emission issue, make up about 14% of the global greenhouse gas emission issue, so greenhouse gas emission issue, so they greenhouse gas emission issue, so they are greenhouse gas emission issue, so they are about greenhouse gas emission issue, so they are about one-seventh greenhouse gas emission issue, so they are about one-seventh of greenhouse gas emission issue, so they are about one-seventh of the they are about one-seventh of the problem they are about one-seventh of the problem internationally. they are about one-seventh of the problem internationally. 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The Montreal protocol to phase out these gases. The plan Montreal protocol to phase out these gases. The plan we Montreal protocol to phase out these gases. The plan we have Montreal protocol to phase out these gases. The plan we have announced gases. The plan we have announced will gases. The plan we have announced will have gases. The plan we have announced will have New gases. The plan we have announced will have New Zealand gases. The plan we have announced will have New Zealand exceed gases. The plan we have announced will have New Zealand exceed those will have New Zealand exceed those obligations will have New Zealand exceed those obligations and will have New Zealand exceed those obligations and be will have New Zealand exceed those obligations and be one will have New Zealand exceed those obligations and be one of will have New Zealand exceed those obligations and be one of the will have New Zealand exceed those obligations and be one of the first obligations and be one of the first countries obligations and be one of the first countries in obligations and be one of the first countries in the obligations and be one of the first countries in the world obligations and be one of the first countries in the world to obligations and be one of the first countries in the world to ratify obligations and be one of the first countries in the world to ratify the countries in the world to ratify the agreement. countries in the world to ratify the agreement. Does countries in the world to ratify the agreement. Does the countries in the world to ratify the agreement. Does the Minister countries in the world to ratify the agreement. Does the Minister have agreement. Does the Minister have confidence agreement. Does the Minister have confidence that agreement. Does the Minister have confidence that the agreement. Does the Minister have confidence that the industry agreement. Does the Minister have confidence that the industry will agreement. Does the Minister have confidence that the industry will be confidence that the industry will be able confidence that the industry will be able to confidence that the industry will be able to reduce confidence that the industry will be able to reduce the confidence that the industry will be able to reduce the use confidence that the industry will be able to reduce the use of confidence that the industry will be able to reduce the use of HFCs confidence that the industry will be able to reduce the use of HFCs so able to reduce the use of HFCs so these able to reduce the use of HFCs so these ambitious able to reduce the use of HFCs so these ambitious 80% able to reduce the use of HFCs so these ambitious 80% reductions able to reduce the use of HFCs so these ambitious 80% reductions can these ambitious 80% reductions can be these ambitious 80% reductions can be achieved? these ambitious 80% reductions can be achieved? Yes, these ambitious 80% reductions can be achieved? 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We ozone-depleting chemicals and phased out their use. We have ozone-depleting chemicals and phased out their use. We have met ozone-depleting chemicals and phased out their use. We have met our out their use. We have met our Montreal out their use. We have met our Montreal protocol out their use. We have met our Montreal protocol obligations, out their use. We have met our Montreal protocol obligations, and Montreal protocol obligations, and this Montreal protocol obligations, and this treaty's Montreal protocol obligations, and this treaty's success Montreal protocol obligations, and this treaty's success is Montreal protocol obligations, and this treaty's success is seeing Montreal protocol obligations, and this treaty's success is seeing the this treaty's success is seeing the ozone this treaty's success is seeing the ozone hole this treaty's success is seeing the ozone hole reduce. this treaty's success is seeing the ozone hole reduce. 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It is estimated that 2 million cases of skin cancer that 2 million cases of skin cancer per that 2 million cases of skin cancer per year that 2 million cases of skin cancer per year have that 2 million cases of skin cancer per year have been that 2 million cases of skin cancer per year have been saveded that 2 million cases of skin cancer per year have been saveded as that 2 million cases of skin cancer per year have been saveded as a per year have been saveded as a consequence per year have been saveded as a consequence of per year have been saveded as a consequence of that per year have been saveded as a consequence of that agreement. per year have been saveded as a consequence of that agreement. It consequence of that agreement. It now consequence of that agreement. It now makes consequence of that agreement. It now makes good consequence of that agreement. It now makes good sense consequence of that agreement. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: Minister of Health: Has Minister of Health: Has he Minister of Health: Has he received Minister of Health: Has he received reports Has he received reports that Has he received reports that Waikato Has he received reports that Waikato Hospital that Waikato Hospital is that Waikato Hospital is advising that Waikato Hospital is advising against that Waikato Hospital is advising against sick that Waikato Hospital is advising against sick people is advising against sick people visiting is advising against sick people visiting their is advising against sick people visiting their hospital; visiting their hospital; and visiting their hospital; and is visiting their hospital; and is advising visiting their hospital; and is advising people and is advising people not and is advising people not to and is advising people not to attend and is advising people not to attend hospital not to attend hospital now not to attend hospital now an not to attend hospital now an acceptable not to attend hospital now an acceptable strategy now an acceptable strategy under now an acceptable strategy under his now an acceptable strategy under his Government under his Government for under his Government for reducing under his Government for reducing the under his Government for reducing the gap for reducing the gap between for reducing the gap between service for reducing the gap between service demand between service demand and between service demand and service between service demand and service delivery and service delivery in and service delivery in the and service delivery in the health and service delivery in the health system? On On behalf On behalf of On behalf of the On behalf of the Minister On behalf of the Minister of On behalf of the Minister of Health, On behalf of the Minister of Health, no. On behalf of the Minister of Health, no. But On behalf of the Minister of Health, no. But I On behalf of the Minister of Health, no. But I have On behalf of the Minister of Health, no. But I have seen On behalf of the Minister of Health, no. But I have seen reports On behalf of the Minister of Health, no. But I have seen reports of no. But I have seen reports of non-urgent no. But I have seen reports of non-urgent people no. But I have seen reports of non-urgent people being no. But I have seen reports of non-urgent people being asked no. But I have seen reports of non-urgent people being asked to non-urgent people being asked to check non-urgent people being asked to check with non-urgent people being asked to check with their non-urgent people being asked to check with their GPs non-urgent people being asked to check with their GPs first. non-urgent people being asked to check with their GPs first. It non-urgent people being asked to check with their GPs first. It is non-urgent people being asked to check with their GPs first. It is a check with their GPs first. It is a well-established check with their GPs first. It is a well-established fact check with their GPs first. It is a well-established fact that check with their GPs first. It is a well-established fact that hospitals well-established fact that hospitals across well-established fact that hospitals across the well-established fact that hospitals across the world well-established fact that hospitals across the world can well-established fact that hospitals across the world can reach well-established fact that hospitals across the world can reach capacity across the world can reach capacity with across the world can reach capacity with seasonal across the world can reach capacity with seasonal influxes across the world can reach capacity with seasonal influxes from across the world can reach capacity with seasonal influxes from time across the world can reach capacity with seasonal influxes from time to with seasonal influxes from time to time. with seasonal influxes from time to time. The with seasonal influxes from time to time. The Waikato with seasonal influxes from time to time. The Waikato Hospital with seasonal influxes from time to time. The Waikato Hospital has with seasonal influxes from time to time. The Waikato Hospital has a time. The Waikato Hospital has a plan time. The Waikato Hospital has a plan to time. The Waikato Hospital has a plan to deal time. The Waikato Hospital has a plan to deal with time. The Waikato Hospital has a plan to deal with such time. The Waikato Hospital has a plan to deal with such incidents time. The Waikato Hospital has a plan to deal with such incidents of plan to deal with such incidents of seasonal plan to deal with such incidents of seasonal pressure, plan to deal with such incidents of seasonal pressure, and plan to deal with such incidents of seasonal pressure, and tell plan to deal with such incidents of seasonal pressure, and tell me plan to deal with such incidents of seasonal pressure, and tell me that seasonal pressure, and tell me that they seasonal pressure, and tell me that they are seasonal pressure, and tell me that they are already seasonal pressure, and tell me that they are already largely seasonal pressure, and tell me that they are already largely back seasonal pressure, and tell me that they are already largely back to they are already largely back to normal. they are already largely back to normal. Managing they are already largely back to normal. Managing seasonal they are already largely back to normal. Managing seasonal demand they are already largely back to normal. Managing seasonal demand is normal. Managing seasonal demand is not normal. Managing seasonal demand is not new. normal. Managing seasonal demand is not new. In normal. Managing seasonal demand is not new. In fact, normal. Managing seasonal demand is not new. In fact, I normal. Managing seasonal demand is not new. In fact, I have normal. Managing seasonal demand is not new. In fact, I have a normal. Managing seasonal demand is not new. In fact, I have a quote not new. In fact, I have a quote from not new. In fact, I have a quote from Dr not new. In fact, I have a quote from Dr Mills not new. In fact, I have a quote from Dr Mills from not new. In fact, I have a quote from Dr Mills from the not new. In fact, I have a quote from Dr Mills from the Waikato from Dr Mills from the Waikato Hospital from Dr Mills from the Waikato Hospital saying, from Dr Mills from the Waikato Hospital saying, "From from Dr Mills from the Waikato Hospital saying, "From our Hospital saying, "From our perspective, Hospital saying, "From our perspective, this Hospital saying, "From our perspective, this is Hospital saying, "From our perspective, this is just Hospital saying, "From our perspective, this is just an perspective, this is just an ordinary perspective, this is just an ordinary winter perspective, this is just an ordinary winter is," perspective, this is just an ordinary winter is," and perspective, this is just an ordinary winter is," and that perspective, this is just an ordinary winter is," and that was ordinary winter is," and that was dated ordinary winter is," and that was dated 20 ordinary winter is," and that was dated 20 July ordinary winter is," and that was dated 20 July 2006, ordinary winter is," and that was dated 20 July 2006, under ordinary winter is," and that was dated 20 July 2006, under the ordinary winter is," and that was dated 20 July 2006, under the Labour dated 20 July 2006, under the Labour Government. dated 20 July 2006, under the Labour Government. <INTERRUPTION> Government. <INTERRUPTION> What Government. <INTERRUPTION> What action Government. <INTERRUPTION> What action will Government. <INTERRUPTION> What action will he Government. <INTERRUPTION> What action will he take Government. <INTERRUPTION> What action will he take in Government. <INTERRUPTION> What action will he take in response What action will he take in response to What action will he take in response to reports What action will he take in response to reports that, What action will he take in response to reports that, yesterday, What action will he take in response to reports that, yesterday, GPs What action will he take in response to reports that, yesterday, GPs were to reports that, yesterday, GPs were being to reports that, yesterday, GPs were being asked to reports that, yesterday, GPs were being asked not to reports that, yesterday, GPs were being asked not to to reports that, yesterday, GPs were being asked not to refer to reports that, yesterday, GPs were being asked not to refer patients to reports that, yesterday, GPs were being asked not to refer patients to being asked not to refer patients to Waikato being asked not to refer patients to Waikato Hospital being asked not to refer patients to Waikato Hospital until being asked not to refer patients to Waikato Hospital until the being asked not to refer patients to Waikato Hospital until the current Waikato Hospital until the current crisis Waikato Hospital until the current crisis is Waikato Hospital until the current crisis is over? Waikato Hospital until the current crisis is over? The Waikato Hospital until the current crisis is over? The Hon Waikato Hospital until the current crisis is over? The Hon Nicky crisis is over? The Hon Nicky Wagner. crisis is over? The Hon Nicky Wagner. Mr crisis is over? The Hon Nicky Wagner. Mr Speaker, crisis is over? The Hon Nicky Wagner. Mr Speaker, on crisis is over? The Hon Nicky Wagner. Mr Speaker, on behalf crisis is over? The Hon Nicky Wagner. Mr Speaker, on behalf of crisis is over? The Hon Nicky Wagner. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Wagner. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister Wagner. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Wagner. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Health, Wagner. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Health, as Wagner. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Health, as I Wagner. 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But there is a well-established they are back to normal already. But there is a well-established practice there is a well-established practice of there is a well-established practice of how there is a well-established practice of how you there is a well-established practice of how you should there is a well-established practice of how you should access there is a well-established practice of how you should access your of how you should access your emergency of how you should access your emergency departments. of how you should access your emergency departments. They of how you should access your emergency departments. They are emergency departments. They are called emergency departments. They are called emergency emergency departments. They are called emergency departments emergency departments. They are called emergency departments for emergency departments. They are called emergency departments for a called emergency departments for a reason. called emergency departments for a reason. The called emergency departments for a reason. The first called emergency departments for a reason. The first thing called emergency departments for a reason. The first thing to called emergency departments for a reason. The first thing to do, called emergency departments for a reason. The first thing to do, if reason. The first thing to do, if you reason. The first thing to do, if you are reason. The first thing to do, if you are sick, reason. The first thing to do, if you are sick, is reason. The first thing to do, if you are sick, is maybe reason. The first thing to do, if you are sick, is maybe talk reason. The first thing to do, if you are sick, is maybe talk to reason. The first thing to do, if you are sick, is maybe talk to a you are sick, is maybe talk to a PHARMACy you are sick, is maybe talk to a PHARMACy or you are sick, is maybe talk to a PHARMACy or talk you are sick, is maybe talk to a PHARMACy or talk to you are sick, is maybe talk to a PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. you are sick, is maybe talk to a PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second thing PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second thing is PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second thing is to PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second thing is to go PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second thing is to go to PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second thing is to go to your PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second thing is to go to your GP PHARMACy or talk to telehealth. The second thing is to go to your GP or second thing is to go to your GP or after-hours second thing is to go to your GP or after-hours services. second thing is to go to your GP or after-hours services. If second thing is to go to your GP or after-hours services. If you second thing is to go to your GP or after-hours services. If you are second thing is to go to your GP or after-hours services. If you are too after-hours services. If you are too sick after-hours services. If you are too sick for after-hours services. If you are too sick for that, after-hours services. If you are too sick for that, you after-hours services. If you are too sick for that, you can after-hours services. If you are too sick for that, you can go after-hours services. If you are too sick for that, you can go to after-hours services. If you are too sick for that, you can go to the sick for that, you can go to the DHB, sick for that, you can go to the DHB, and sick for that, you can go to the DHB, and the sick for that, you can go to the DHB, and the emergency sick for that, you can go to the DHB, and the emergency department DHB, and the emergency department will DHB, and the emergency department will look DHB, and the emergency department will look after DHB, and the emergency department will look after you DHB, and the emergency department will look after you - DHB, and the emergency department will look after you - just DHB, and the emergency department will look after you - just as DHB, and the emergency department will look after you - just as they will look after you - just as they have will look after you - just as they have done will look after you - just as they have done forever. will look after you - just as they have done forever. What will look after you - just as they have done forever. What does will look after you - just as they have done forever. What does he have done forever. What does he intend have done forever. What does he intend to have done forever. What does he intend to do have done forever. What does he intend to do about have done forever. What does he intend to do about the have done forever. What does he intend to do about the fact have done forever. What does he intend to do about the fact that have done forever. What does he intend to do about the fact that all intend to do about the fact that all three intend to do about the fact that all three Auckland intend to do about the fact that all three Auckland DHBs intend to do about the fact that all three Auckland DHBs are intend to do about the fact that all three Auckland DHBs are now intend to do about the fact that all three Auckland DHBs are now under three Auckland DHBs are now under pressure three Auckland DHBs are now under pressure and three Auckland DHBs are now under pressure and have three Auckland DHBs are now under pressure and have all three Auckland DHBs are now under pressure and have all reported three Auckland DHBs are now under pressure and have all reported an pressure and have all reported an increase pressure and have all reported an increase in pressure and have all reported an increase in full pressure and have all reported an increase in full bed pressure and have all reported an increase in full bed days pressure and have all reported an increase in full bed days over increase in full bed days over recent increase in full bed days over recent years? increase in full bed days over recent years? On increase in full bed days over recent years? On behalf increase in full bed days over recent years? On behalf of increase in full bed days over recent years? On behalf of the recent years? On behalf of the Minister recent years? On behalf of the Minister of recent years? On behalf of the Minister of Health, recent years? On behalf of the Minister of Health, I recent years? On behalf of the Minister of Health, I know recent years? 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