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Current affairs programme presented by Carolyn Robinson, featuring international content and investigative pieces.

Primary Title
  • 2020
Date Broadcast
  • Wednesday 31 May 2017
Start Time
  • 21 : 30
Finish Time
  • 22 : 30
Duration
  • 60:00
Channel
  • TVNZ 1
Broadcaster
  • Television New Zealand
Programme Description
  • Current affairs programme presented by Carolyn Robinson, featuring international content and investigative pieces.
Classification
  • Not Classified
Owning Collection
  • Chapman Archive
Broadcast Platform
  • Television
Languages
  • English
Captioning Languages
  • English
Captions
Live Broadcast
  • No
Rights Statement
  • Made for the University of Auckland's educational use as permitted by the Screenrights Licensing Agreement.
Hosts
  • Carolyn Robinson (Presenter)
Contributors
  • TVNZ (Production Unit)
1 Given the obsession with hacking, it seems like the perfect time for John McAfee. (LAPTOP CLATTERS) Tonight, one of the most infamous tech entrepreneurs in the world. A household name on millions of computers. We're being spied on by our government. Duh. What did you do with the money? I wasted it, like everybody does money. How to kiss nearly $100 million goodbye. But with cameras rolling on his life, how did he go from millionaire to murder suspect? I am pretty confident that he ordered the murder. That story continues to get even more strange. I've been worried about John McAfee. Setting up a new life and new business in central America. Is there a specific point in Belize when he goes off the rails? Was he behind the murder of his neighbour who hated his barking dogs? Of course he's the main suspect. I mean, did you order a hit on him? Of course not! Please! Nine of your dogs, your beloved dogs, were poisoned. Right. And the person who threatened to poison them is dead. For four years we've tracked him... Hello? ...as he's played 'catch me if you can', from Belize to Guatemala,... On the run from police. ...Miami to middle America. Why go on the run? Because if I didn't go on the run, I'd be a dead man now. Tonight, he's finally ready to talk about his rise, fall and rise, only to 20/20. Oh Christ almighty, my friend! Are you losing your mind? Are you?! And the fireworks are just getting started. Not gonna happen. Goodbye. You're walking out on this interview? Yes, because you have not kept your damn word. Copyright Able 2017 Kia ora. I'm Carolyn Robinson. The recent WannaCry cyber attacks have computer security at the top of everyone's lists. Chances are, the antivirus software on your home computer is McAfee. Well, tonight on 20/20 we have the story of the man behind that name. John McAfee went from rags to riches and back again. He's been accused of murder, and now the man who invented the software to protect your computer says he needs protecting from hitmen. It's as outrageous as it sounds and reporter Matt Gutman has been chasing him for four years. There are so many layers to the epic, disturbing story of John McAfee. Maybe because there are so many John McAfees. John McAfee is one of the wildest characters you'll ever come across. There's McAfee the party animal. John? Huh? McAfee the Silicon Valley gazillionaire. It is the number one computer threat. McAfee the international fugitive. John! He's someone that I feel is dangerous. Even McAfee the presidential candidate. Stand with me to protect our freedom. Pinning down the truth of McAfee's life story is never easy because often it is as slippery as he is. He is like Teflon, nothing sticks to the man. If the name 'McAfee' rings a bell, it should. There's a good chance it's on your home computer screen right now. Yup, he's the guy behind the famous McAfee antivirus software. When we say we are going to talk tomorrow, does that mean face-to-face? I first crossed paths with McAfee in 2012, when he'd become even more famous south of the border. He was on the run and would only talk to me by phone. You may not think you are being followed, but I can assure you, you are. Hello? Anybody home? But I wasn't chasing him around Latin America because of a cyber crime. This was a real-life homicide ` allegations that he murdered fellow American Greg Faull. We begin with that software millionaire on the run, suspected of murder. Police wanted to question McAfee about the murder, but he didn't want to answer. He dodged authorities all the way back to the US, where he has been ever since, never charged with a crime. The Pandora's box has been opened. But what makes this story even stranger is John McAfee's latest incarnation. Our computers are no longer back home in the office; they are in our hands. These days he's re-emerged as a prophet of digital doom and his apocalyptic warnings about today's cyber threats attract plenty of eyeballs, both in person and on TV. We're being spied on by our government. Even with all that attention, what he hasn't done since returning home is a no-holds-barred interview on every aspect of his past. But now, after more than four years, I'm about to get my chance. I admit, I've heard so many things about him ` he's erratic, he's a high-tech prince of darkness, he's just plain dangerous ` that I'm nervous. I've been warned about John McAfee. So I'm keeping my second cell phone and my credit cards here at the hotel so they don't get hacked. I drive on to our meeting place, a parking lot in rural Tennessee, where McAfee greets me like a southern gentleman. How you doing, sir? Good to see you. You too. How are you? We talk a bit and head off in his tank-like truck. If I have to put up with people like you, then I'm going to have fun doing it. To him, reporters are just like a ball of twine to a cat ` something to play with until he gets bored. We arrive at a quiet suburban downtown for a casual lunch at this Mexican restaurant. You like Mexican food? Yeah, I like Mexican food. Sure. You said you grew up in town like this in Virginia, right? Between bites of chips and salsa and beers for McAfee, we talked about his troubled childhood. One of things that was not idyllic there was your father. You've said that he was a raging alcoholic, that he was abusive to you and to your mother. Yeah. Nobody has an ideal life, even children. He died when you were 15? 15. Yeah, he shot himself. He shot himself? Yeah. People always look to the past to explain the present. It doesn't work that way. The present for McAfee ` this upscale but hardly lavish spread. He shares it with his new wife, Janice, his ever-present bodyguard and his dogs. As we sit down inside, fortified by a glass of expensive scotch, McAfee continues with his life story, saying that despite being a lazy kid, he always got straight A's. Math came easy to me. I never studied. But I just did what I felt I should do. In college, McAfee says he began peddling a product he knew he could sell ` cocaine. It's interesting that drug dealing was really your first foray into entrepreneurship. Yeah. Well, it is entrepreneurship. It's everything. It's salesmanship. Then came the dawn of the go-go '80s. # Yeah, # our lips are sealed. # Big hair, even bigger shoulder pads, Pac-Man fever. (COMPUTER GAME TRILLS) As the home computer revolution kicked in, McAfee, now working as a programmer, was among the first to identify its perils and a potential profit. A computer virus is a programmer written by a hacker with a unique purpose, and that purpose is to multiply and to live. I was figuring out, 'Oh yeah, I can stop this here. I could stop this here. I could stop this here. 'I can stop this here. I can do this.' I can actually remove the thing and wrote a program in a day and a half. So McAfee Antivirus was created in a day and a half? Yes. And how well did it work? Four million people were using it within a month. Five years later, over half the Fortune 500 companies in the country had begun using it. That's how important it became to their business and to keeping their computers safe. In no time, the software bad boy amassed a large fortune. But as McAfee admits, he gets bored easily, so after a few years, he cashed out. You made $100 million, let's say, for selling McAfee, right? That's what they say. How much did you make? Much more. What did you do with the money? I wasted it, like everybody who has money. He built nine homes, filled them with expensive art and furniture, bought a fleet of antique cars. Is that love? Isn't it selfishness? Isn't it all about you? His next chapter, creating a yoga retreat in Colorado, reinventing himself as a New Age guru bestowing his eternal wisdom on his guests. It's all about need, and jealousy is all about the fear of losing all of these pleasant things which you have attained. But McAfee says his Zen was disturbed by a constant wave of what he calls 'frivolous lawsuits'. Tonight on Nightline ` losing a fortune. So after the financial crash, in 2009, McAfee let it be known he had lost most of his money. How to kiss nearly $100 million goodbye. Sometimes a little bit of pain is necessary to see and understand the true circumstances of your life. Nightline covered this auction on McAfee's ranch where everything, including his beloved airplanes, Winnebagos, exotic art collection, even the gold elephant and dinosaur skull went on the block. Starting off at 1 million. We have $1 million. McAfee now claims he it was all a charade, a ruse. He was just trying to look broke so people would stop suing him. No, I didn't lose my fortune. I'm not that stupid. Whatever the case, one part of that report is indisputable. Now McAfee plans to take his remaining handful of millions and head to Central America. Next up ` Belize. (RELAXING MUSIC) He figured no one would sue him there. (SQUAWKS) John McAfee has been eluding police. But he probably never imagined his time in the tropical paradise would make him an international fugitive. McAfee! McAfee! Stay with us to see how his time in Central America came to a disastrous end, because the John McAfee story is just getting started. 1 Welcome back to 20/20 and tonight's story about tech mogul John McAfee, the inventor of the McAfee antivirus software. As we continue, McAfee's lost almost everything, due to a combination of the Global Financial Crisis, some poor investments and some even poorer decisions. Now Matt Gutman asks McAfee to respond to two extremely serious claims, including that he had a man killed. And a warning ` some people may find parts of this report disturbing. Here at Chez McAfee, the Scotch is brought in by the case,... And champagne is waiting as usual. ...champagne is on ice. Excuse me for smoking, people, but it's one of my vices. ...cigarettes are always ablaze, and the guns are always loaded. At 1300ft per second. This is at 800ft per second. So which would hurt more? Oh, this. (LAUGHS) Absolutely. But I'm not here for a party or target practice. I'm here to talk to him about how his life took a very dark turn during his Central American interlude. Why did you go to Belize in the first place? Well, because I'm a stupid man. Easy to joke now, in his pleasant suburban kitchen, but back in 2009, before everything went so horribly wrong, Belize seemed a brilliant idea for John McAfee, who was eager to escape the cascade of lawsuits back in the US. Most beautiful beach in the world. A reef a quarter of a mile offshore. I snorkel. I fish. I swim. I love the water. It was beautiful. The quintessential millionaire's dream. He purchased a spread on an island called Ambergris Caye, surrounded by American expats. But McAfee's most intriguing fantasy wasn't on the beach at all. All right. Get ready for some serious Heart of Darkness here. As seen on this CNBC report, he purchased a second property in the interior of the country and moved deep in the jungle to a place called Orange Walk, where he had set up a lab. I thought, 'Wow, this is a dream come true.' Allison Adonizio was a Harvard-trained microbiologist he brought into the jungle. The famed entrepreneur was at it again with his latest start-up venture ` creating plant-based antibiotics. But she says the enterprise fell apart when her benefactor started to come unhinged. He became very paranoid. He was talking about taking over the country. I started to think, 'This guy is a madman.' McAfee says he was helping the locals, feeding poor families and providing many with jobs. I employed half of the town. I can show you a letter from the mayor saying that Mr McAfee's done more for Orange Walk than any of our citizens have. But exactly what was he doing for those citizens? McAfee admits he brought in young women to be in his harem. Then there was the gang of convicted criminals McAfee proudly says he hired as his armed bodyguards, his own private militia. Everybody I hired was an ex-felon and had spent half of their life in prison. It sounds like that's a recipe for disaster. They never shot anybody. Never even shot at anybody. Never even pointed a gun at anybody, because they were dangerous people. He called them hit men. He told me repeatedly that he could have people hurt, taken out if he wanted to. Adonizio says it all became too much for her. But listen to her traumatic account of what she says happened when she told McAfee she wanted out. When I did go over there, um,... (SCOFFS) the conversation did not go as I expected. And... Oh God. I feel so stupid. She wasn't able to go on. I'm sorry. I just... The one time she was able to describe publicly what she says happened was in a documentary film about McAfee called Gringo. I told him I had a headache, and he... he brought me... You know, he went into the other room and he brought me two pills and a glass of orange juice. It tasted... foul. She says he drugged her with that juice and then raped her. I only have, sort of, flashes of recollection. He was standing over me naked. I... grabbed my clothes. I don't even remember taking them off. Adonizio says she quickly fled Belize without telling the local police. She says US authorities told her they had no jurisdiction, so no charges were pursued. I don't know what to tell you except that I have emotional and physical scars from that experience. Allison Adonizio, a madwoman. A madwoman? A madwoman. Well, she claims that you raped her. Drugged her and raped her. Well, she can claim whatever she likes. Never had sex with her, certainly never raped her. She seemed rational. She was not. I find it rather ironic that somebody as unhinged as McAfee would say that I'm unstable. I think that I'm pretty strong, considering everything that I've had to go through. Then in April of 2012, McAfee was about to have trouble with the law for an entirely different reason. There was a belief that he was manufacturing illicit drugs in the compound, as I said, because of all the different criminal elements that were there. It's very unusual that you would be doing research into plants and you need so many people to protect you. Ready? Belize's Gang Suppression Unit raided his lab, they say, on suspicion he was making meth. No drugs were found. Police! McAfee claims the government was harassing him because he wouldn't pay bribes. I was on the verge of something when I refused to pay an extortion for $2 million, and a week later, the Gang Suppression Unit destroyed my lab. McAfee abandoned the jungle and moved back to Ambergris Caye. But trouble followed. Among his neighbours was this man, Greg Faull, a builder who came from central Florida to Central America. This is the house in Belize. Took him about seven years to build it. Greg's mother, Eileen Keeney, says her son wanted a peaceful retirement in the Caribbean, but when she came to visit him a few months later, she says it was anything but peaceful. Greg was not happy with him, and he had had some issues with McAfee. Keeney says her son Greg was disgusted by what McAfee had brought back from the jungle. That harem of women, the armed guards, and especially the swarm of dogs that constantly menaced passers-by. He said, 'Now, we're going to be walking past McAfee's house, and there's going to be dogs there. 'Now, they're usually fenced up, but,' he says, 'I just want to warn you.' As Keeney headed home to Florida, she had no clue what was ahead. Two days later, she received an unfathomable phone call from her daughter. And then she told me, 'Greg's been murdered,' and I let out this... blood-curdling scream. A brutal beachside murder. Was the eccentric millionaire involved? I have a couple more questions about... Coming up ` when we press him, we discover that is a touchy subject. Nothing happened. Goodbye. You're walking out on this interview? (BLEEP) Yes, because you have not kept your (BLEEP)ing word. All right. So why won't John McAfee talk about what happened that night? Stay with us to find out. 1 Welcome back to 20/20 and tonight's walk on the weird side as we look into the life of John McAfee, the man who went from tech millionaire to international fugitive. McAfee has never answered questions about the death of his neighbour Greg Faull, who was brutally murdered on the beach they shared in Belize. Well, now reporter Matt Gutman asks him about Faull's murder, and predictably, the response, well, unpredictable. November 2012. (SINISTER MUSIC) Trouble is brewing in Belize. American Greg Faull has had it with his neighbour John McAfee's pack of aggressive dogs, and he told friends he was going to take care of the problem. Greg had told them that he was going to poison the dogs. Then one evening, some poisoned meat is thrown over McAfee's fence. All nine of his dogs are poisoned. Gregory Faull complains about McAfee's dogs, and shortly after, the dogs are poisoned and they die. The very next night, an intruder sneaks into Faull's home, tasers him several times, and then shoots him in the head. No one has confronted McAfee, and Faull did. You see there's a linkage there. The house showed no sign of forced entry. Nothing was taken from inside. He was brutally murdered, and he had no enemies. But Belizean journalist Jose Sanchez says his country is notorious as a place where just about anyone can get away with murder. Unless there's an eyewitness to a crime, murder is rarely solved in Belize, and that is the reason why there is a 3% average conviction rate. Still, Belize police quickly name McAfee as a person of interest in Faull's murder. And because of that famous name seen on millions of computers worldwide, the story makes international headlines. (NEWS REPORT IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) On the run from police in Belize. (NEWS REPORT IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) John McAfee has been marked. Police want to talk to McAfee, but the feeling's not mutual. Even as news of the murder breaks,... Police launch a full-scale search for an eccentric... ...McAfee goes on the lam. Of course he's the main suspect here. You've got motive. You've got the incident with the dog. You've got their history. Why would you go to the effort of hiding if you weren't guilty? Why did you go on the run? Because if I didn't go on the run, I'd be a dead man now. McAfee claims that after he refused to pay bribes, the Belize government was out to get him, and the poisoning of his dogs and the murder of Faull was somehow just part of that sinister plot. If you think they do not do this, then you are seriously naive, and again I want to talk to the audience. Please, people, even in television you see this happening constantly, all right. And some part of that television or the movies, some part of it is probably true. That allegation that he makes ` that the government killed his dogs and the government killed Faull because he wouldn't pay bribes ` is utter nonsense. The Belizean government wouldn't comment on McAfee's accusations, but many, including the Prime Minister, called him crazy. It strikes me that he's extremely paranoid. In fact, I would go so far as to say bonkers. But bonkers or not, Belize couldn't catch him. Safety first. That's when I started on his trail. ABC's Matt Gutman is in Belize with the latest. From just outside John McAfee's compound, its owner this morning is on the run. Were you guys scared? Yeah. Yeah. This is Isla Bonita, man. This is paradise. You know, things like this don't happen around here. Three weeks underground, all the while calling in to US journalists,... John McAfee is joining us now by telephone. My life has become a little more intense. And I want to ask you some questions... ...including me. You're sincerely concerned if you somehow wind up in their custody, they are going to assassinate you? Absolutely. Why were you contacting journalists while you were on the run? It seems like a bad idea if you're trying to stay hidden. No, it seemed like a really good idea to me. Why? As long as the world was paying attention, they couldn't actually shoot me in the street. That story continues to get even more strange by the hour. Strange indeed. He finally surfaced across the border in Guatemala. Thank God I am in a place where there is some sanity. Where we met face-to-face for the first time. How have you been? Really good since I got here. He told me his great escape involved everything from burying himself in the sand to a series of elaborate disguises. And I had a cane, and I was walking like this, and I had my jaws stuffed with toilet paper. He was hoping for political asylum. But instead, just a few hours later,... John, where are you going? To jail. Vice TV filmed him being arrested,... Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! ...as Guatemala prepared to deport him back to Belize to face questioning. His attorney has been arguing all along that any move for McAfee back to Belize could risk his life. But before they could put him on a plane,... (SIREN WAILS) ...McAfee collapsed. An ambulance rushed him to the hospital with a media horde following behind. But miraculously,... (SPEAKS SPANISH) ...McAfee opened his eyes and asked the nurses not to undress him in front of the cameras. Not in front of the press, please. You faked a heart attack. Sure, I faked it. What would you have done? The whole charade lasted just long enough to allow his lawyer to file an appeal. John McAfee has been granted a stay of deportation to Belize. McAfee outfoxed Belize again. In the meantime, McAfee will have to wait in this lockup full of South American migrants until the high court here can decide his fate. From inside that facility, he still managed to tap out messages to the world. I apologize for the format of this conference. Our intent is to return to America, if at all possible. And lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. There's nothing I can say. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to Miami. (SIRENS WAIL) Guatemala authorities deported McAfee to Miami. I had no choice. They put me on an airplane. I am here. There, he escaped reporters in this van. I was again able to run him down, and a little while later, we sat down at his hotel. How would you categorize the past month, or couple of months? More of an adventure than I would normally like. I've got nothing now. What does nothing mean? I've got a pair of clothes, some shoes. My friend dropped off some cash. A friend dropped off cash? (LAUGHS) Can we see it? Sure. Brand new. Really nice. In fact, I thought it has to be counterfeit, but it was not. So when you and I spoke that night, you had no idea what you were going to do? No, absolutely not. None. I let the universe unveil its plan. The universe led McAfee here to this Miami restaurant, where he crossed paths with his future wife. You met in Miami, right? Yeah, that first night. The first night. The day after he was deported. Janice was a prostitute at the time. It was ` I don't know how to say it ` magical, because he saw the hurt that was there. He saw the human in me. You know what I'm saying? But he thought I was worthy enough of a second chance. Is it strange for you to have found love in your late 60s, early 70s? You know what? Um... I instantly saw in Janice what I had been looking for my entire life. But as McAfee was starting out on that new life,... Yes, I was outraged. I was angry. ...Eileen Keeney still wanted to make him pay for what she believed were the sins of his old one. I have a folder here of all the letters and correspondence that we had with officials in the government. Senator Nelson, US Embassy, Belmopan, Belize. She did everything a grieving mother could do to get answers and justice for the death of her son. I can't say it brought much in the way of results. But now she's got newfound hope, thanks to new allegations against McAfee. You found the smoke to the fire of the Greg Faull murder? Yes, I did. You are Nanette? Yes. Oh, OK. Well, nice to meet you, Nanette. Please turn the cameras off. So can this documentary film-maker make the case against John McAfee that the police couldn't? Stay with us to find out. 1 Welcome back to 20/20 and tonight's story about the strange case of tech millionaire John McAfee. As we continue, McAfee is back in the United States after fleeing Belize in the wake of his neighbour's murder. And while he refuses to answer questions about the case, one woman believes she's solved it. Now reporter Matt Gutman enters this paranoid world. In his rural Tennessee outpost, John McAfee has a new set of dogs, but he's pretty much given up the trappings of his old millionaire lifestyle. Matt, we're rolling. For a guy who, in Belize, had all of these toys ` you had boats, you had a sailboat ` this is a very quaint, suburban lifestyle. The things you think you own, own you. But even here, he still has an armed bodyguard anywhere he goes... People ask me, 'You think you're ever gonna have to use that?' I said, 'No, but you only get one shot.' ...and a private arsenal at the ready inside the house. And I don't even know what this thing is. What is that? I'm not going to tell you what that is, because that's the newest weapon available. JANICE: We're not telling you anything. Is it a real gun, though? Believe me, it's a (BLEEP)ing real gun. Do you have a fascination with guns? I have no fascination with guns. I have a fascination with survival. When you held that gun up to your head in that picture, were you thinking about your father, who took his own life? Oh, Christ almighty, my friend. Are you losing your mind? Are you?! No. McAfee and his wife claim that for the past four years they've been followed wherever they go. We had been chased for days, and you could see the same cars and trucks over and over and over. Are you paranoid? If I were, would I know? He makes up a lot of preposterous statements. Paranoia or not, there's no doubt at all that filmmaker Nanette Burstein has been hot on his trail. When her film Gringo was released last year, it caused shockwaves, thanks to interviews with McAfee's ex-employees, who talk about his bizarre activities. When it specifically comes to Faull's murder,... You think found the smoke to the fire of the Greg Faull murder? Yes, I did. ...this man, McAfee's beachfront caretaker, named Cassian, alleges his boss paid to have it done. Cassian says the man who got that money called him late the night of the murder to come pick him up. To do what? The supposed killer denied both Cassian's story and that he killed Faull, but it seems like a damning accusation. There was some very convincing testimony, very convincing evidence that I had not seen before that makes me believe that there could be an investigation reopened. This documentary has brought what appears to be new evidence. (LAUGHS) McAfee laughs it off. Wait. Everyone who went on TV called me and said, 'They've offered me cash. They're offering me US$12,000.' I said, 'Take it.' McAfee accuses Burstein of paying Cassian and others in the film to tell lies. He got $12,000, but he was smart enough to make up a story that nobody would believe except Nanette, because she is the most naive woman I have ever met. Nanette has been after me since... McAfee posted videos online in which Cassian and others take back what they said. John had nothing to do with that murder. What I told you, Nanette, was a fabrication to earn what you offered to pay me. Those are some serious accusations. They are. Burstein denies paying for any interviews, though she says she did pay what she calls a nominal fee for some photos. She says McAfee was the only one who paid for a story, pressuring Cassian to recant. I called him immediately and said, 'Listen, why did you do this?' And he said, 'Someone showed up at my house that works for John. 'They offered me thousands of dollars to say this.' People in Belize understand why Cassian and the others have to say that they made it all up, because their lives possibly could be in danger. Now, both Cassian and McAfee deny that he was paid off to change his story. Let me make this perfectly clear ` I had nothing to do with the murder of Gregory Faull. You are asking the most ridiculous things. This is not` You have to admit that it's not ridiculous that your dogs ` nine of your dogs, your beloved dogs ` are poisoned. The next day` By the government. That would make a man who loves animals absolutely irate. Yes. Right. Now` It would be enough to make a man, who loves his dogs, willing to kill, some would say. Does this man look like he would be stupid enough to kill whoever was responsible... I don't think he would be stupid enough. ...the day after? The night after? This is a logical question. Did you order a hit on him? Of course not. Please! I am sick of Belize. We are finished with Belize. That is your choice, but we're not` I have a couple more questions about Belize. As we ratcheted up the pressure on McAfee about Belize, he started to walk out on our main interview. You're walking out on this? (BLEEP) Yes, because you have not kept your (BLEEP)ing word. I have kept my word. There had been no preconditions to the interview, and McAfee quickly calmed down and sat down. But coming up next ` I follow McAfee where none of this matters, where he is a hero and the subject is the future, not the past. So after everything that's happened, we'll see how John McAfee is launching his comeback. That's when 20/20 returns. With a St John Medical Alarm, you have the confidence to enjoy living at home. If there's an emergency, you can press the button and it connects directly with St John, who'll know exactly what's needed, from reassuring advice... to dispatching the right help for your situation. It feels like having St John right here in your own home. Call 0800 50 23 23 and find out about a free trial. 1 Welcome back to 20/20, where the topic of tonight's story is tech mogul John McAfee. He's the man behind McAfee antivirus software. In the wake of the recent WannaCry cyber attacks, the man behind the world's most popular antivirus system is in hot demand. He's a big name on the speaking circuit in the United States right now. With his special brand of doom and gloom, he's a sort of cyber prophet of the end of the world. Matt Gutman continues the story. McAfee ` a barely passable virus scanning program that updates at the worst possible times. Here's something you rarely see ` an inventor trashing the very product that made him filthy rich. I've had nothing to do with McAfee software for over 15 years. I've had more pressing things to do. In this masterpiece of satire called How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus. This is my lab tech, Bartholomew. He is going to take you through uninstalling the McAfee antivirus software. McAfee makes light of his harem and his affinity for drugs and weapons. I know what to do. I know exactly what to do. (ELEGANT CLASSICAL MUSIC) The company that still bears his name called the video ludicrous, saying it has no basis in reality. This ring is two computers. McAfee says he's got plenty of new tricks up his sleeve ` or actually, on his finger. This is called an NFC Ring ` near field communications. He's showing me some of the high-tech spyware that's out on the market,... So I borrow your phone. I put it to my ear. ...but it's really a warning. I could've downloaded a script which took full control of your phone. You're living in an age of no privacy. This is my new product ` Everykey. McAfee is still a player in the cyber security business... This is not just the key to my online accounts or the key to my car or the key to my house ` it's my Everykey. ...but very 2017. We are the revolution of access control. He's the CEO of MGT Capital, a company that invests in cyber security like this cell phone, which McAfee claims is the first ever that can't be hacked. Given the obsession with hacking, it seems like a perfect time for John McAfee. Well, it's an opportunity for me to speak again. People are listening. In the cyber security community, there are legends. People are watching you. He falls into that category. And now he comes back and says, 'I was that guy, and now I am still that guy.' They believe that... 10 blocks away from the White House. He's constantly talking with reporters, even when he's got one riding right beside him. There is no one person who understands... And truth is, he says it's one of the reasons he agreed to spend time with me. What do you hope to get out of this interview? I hope to get at least 10 minutes that I can talk about the most serious problem in the world, which is cyber security. We're living in '1984'. Our freedoms are being restricted, our security is being eroded, and we have no more privacy. If we lose privacy, we lose civilization, and we will certainly lose our humanity. And McAfee version 2.0 isn't just living in seclusion in Tennessee. He's taking his cyber security message on the road. Do you know what you're going to talk about on Larry King? Not a clue. On this day, he's in New York City, a guest on Larry King's show on the Russia Today network. John joins us from New York. All right, what do you make of this, John? In my mind, Larry, this is the most horrifying of all of the leaks. They could just have easily taken the latest plans for a nuclear bomber, and maybe they did. I don't know. We're being spied on by our government. Duh! And I promise you, that backdoor will get out. His dire predictions find a home on cable talk shows and also at mainstream cyber tech conferences. There will come one day where simultaneously everybody's wallets is emptied. (ANNOUNCER SPEAKS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) I was invited ` God knows why ` to speak at the Chinese national security conference. The largest conference in the world ` 7000 people. I got an ovation. McAfee says speeches like this fetch about $25,000. And last year, McAfee took his public persona to new heights. Welcome back to our Libertarian Presidential Forum. Remember this guy? McAfee ran to become the Libertarian Party candidate for president,... Liberty means that our bodies and minds belong to ourselves. ...finishing a respectable runner-up. How can someone of that calibre, of that character, think he can run for President of the United States? Meanwhile, people like Greg Faull's mother, Eileen Keeney, are wondering why no one is asking about what happened in Belize any more. I'm thinking, how can this happen? I used to think that he was just odd, flamboyant, a rebel. But he's not a rebel. He's a rapist. He's a dangerous individual. Authorities in Belize have never charged McAfee, but he's not out of the woods. Former employee and current accuser Allison Adonizio says the FBI is currently talking to her and others about McAfee's activities. My understanding is that there are recent and active investigations still into the murder of Greg Faull. My hope is that justice will eventually be served. But McAfee did have one scrape with the law. I'm John McAfee. You probably read about me. The FBI's gonna be looking for me if you don't call them, sir. The FBI? And it was all captured on tape. Well, you know, I'm sure that God is computer security. Passes this truck and nearly hit a car head-on coming up the hill right here. The man who played 'catch me if you can' with the law in Central America finally got caught in central Tennessee. But not for what you might think. Put your hands on top of your head. John McAfee is pulled over on suspicion of driving under the influence not far from his Tennessee home. I'm John McAfee. You probably read about me. Yeah, I don't know who you are. Really? I don't. He wasn't drunk, he says. He was high on Xanax. High on Xanax? How many Xanax had you taken? Well, what the doctor prescribed. There was a legal prescription. I'm the guy that's been accused of murder in Belize, ran through Guatemala. OK. Escaped to America. Been living here for three years. I got you. The FBI's going to be looking for me if you don't call them, sir. The FBI? I mean, you were in the back seat of that police cruiser raving. Do you still have stuff to do with the computer virus still? Well, you know, I'm sure that God is computer security. My lawyer wanted to fight it. I said, 'Listen, no. 48 hours in jail I can do.' McAfee pleaded guilty, and since his license is still suspended, he sits in the backseat with me while Janice drives. Why were you prescribed Xanax? What were you taking it for? I was not sleeping properly. I always have a lot on my mind. What's keeping him awake? Perhaps not those questions from Belize. But no matter how he's reinvented himself, he remains unpredictable. Just hours after we said goodbye to him, a new McAfee health scare. This time he wasn't faking. His appendix had burst and he landed in the hospital, texting me this picture. Once on the mend, McAfee turned on me again, texting me, 'In the end, you proved no better than what one would expect from lowlife mainstream media.' Meanwhile, back in Belize, echoes of McAfee's infamy remain. At the sight of his old property, there's now a watering hole fittingly called John's Escape. I can't say I've given up on my hopes for justice. But Eileen Keeney is confident that John's escape is just temporary. Maybe I just have the faith, and I believe it will come. God has a way of taking care of people like him. John McAfee is currently the CEO of MGT Capital. It's a company that invests in cyber security. He's never faced any charges for any of his alleged crimes. Well, that's our show for tonight. Thank you for joining us. Kia ora. Nga mihi.