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The House been presented. No bills have been introduced. The House comes been presented. No bills have been introduced. The House comes to been presented. No bills have been introduced. The House comes to Oral introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. introduced. The House comes to Oral Questions. Question No. 1. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Police: My question is to the Minister of Police: Has My question is to the Minister of Police: Has she, My question is to the Minister of Police: Has she, or My question is to the Minister of Police: Has she, or the My question is to the Minister of Police: Has she, or the former of Police: Has she, or the former Minister of Police: Has she, or the former Minister of of Police: Has she, or the former Minister of Police, of Police: Has she, or the former Minister of Police, been of Police: Has she, or the former Minister of Police, been briefed Minister of Police, been briefed by Minister of Police, been briefed by Police Minister of Police, been briefed by Police about Minister of Police, been briefed by Police about any Minister of Police, been briefed by Police about any political by Police about any political interference by Police about any political interference or by Police about any political interference or obstruction interference or obstruction of interference or obstruction of justice interference or obstruction of justice in interference or obstruction of justice in the interference or obstruction of justice in the Police of justice in the Police investigation of justice in the Police investigation into of justice in the Police investigation into allegations of justice in the Police investigation into allegations that investigation into allegations that MP investigation into allegations that MP Todd investigation into allegations that MP Todd Barclay investigation into allegations that MP Todd Barclay recorded investigation into allegations that MP Todd Barclay recorded a investigation into allegations that MP Todd Barclay recorded a private MP Todd Barclay recorded a private conversation MP Todd Barclay recorded a private conversation at MP Todd Barclay recorded a private conversation at his MP Todd Barclay recorded a private conversation at his electorate conversation at his electorate office; conversation at his electorate office; if conversation at his electorate office; if so, conversation at his electorate office; if so, when? No, No, and No, and I No, and I have No, and I have spoken No, and I have spoken to No, and I have spoken to the No, and I have spoken to the immediate No, and I have spoken to the immediate former No, and I have spoken to the immediate former Minister No, and I have spoken to the immediate former Minister of No, and I have spoken to the immediate former Minister of Police immediate former Minister of Police and immediate former Minister of Police and she immediate former Minister of Police and she had immediate former Minister of Police and she had no immediate former Minister of Police and she had no briefings immediate former Minister of Police and she had no briefings either. and she had no briefings either. Have and she had no briefings either. Have police and she had no briefings either. Have police briefed and she had no briefings either. Have police briefed her and she had no briefings either. Have police briefed her about and she had no briefings either. Have police briefed her about any Have police briefed her about any instances Have police briefed her about any instances where Have police briefed her about any instances where Bill Have police briefed her about any instances where Bill English instances where Bill English discouraged instances where Bill English discouraged police instances where Bill English discouraged police from instances where Bill English discouraged police from publicly discouraged police from publicly releasing discouraged police from publicly releasing his discouraged police from publicly releasing his statement, discouraged police from publicly releasing his statement, or discouraged police from publicly releasing his statement, or text releasing his statement, or text messages, releasing his statement, or text messages, regarding releasing his statement, or text messages, regarding the releasing his statement, or text messages, regarding the allegations messages, regarding the allegations against messages, regarding the allegations against Todd messages, regarding the allegations against Todd Barclay? messages, regarding the allegations against Todd Barclay? No, messages, regarding the allegations against Todd Barclay? No, and messages, regarding the allegations against Todd Barclay? No, and the against Todd Barclay? No, and the statutory against Todd Barclay? No, and the statutory independence against Todd Barclay? No, and the statutory independence of against Todd Barclay? No, and the statutory independence of the against Todd Barclay? No, and the statutory independence of the Police statutory independence of the Police Commissioner statutory independence of the Police Commissioner from statutory independence of the Police Commissioner from ministers statutory independence of the Police Commissioner from ministers is Commissioner from ministers is clearly Commissioner from ministers is clearly laid Commissioner from ministers is clearly laid out Commissioner from ministers is clearly laid out in Commissioner from ministers is clearly laid out in Section Commissioner from ministers is clearly laid out in Section 2nd clearly laid out in Section 2nd Policing clearly laid out in Section 2nd Policing Act clearly laid out in Section 2nd Policing Act 2008. clearly laid out in Section 2nd Policing Act 2008. So clearly laid out in Section 2nd Policing Act 2008. So no. clearly laid out in Section 2nd Policing Act 2008. So no. Does clearly laid out in Section 2nd Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she agree Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she agree that, Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she agree that, if Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she agree that, if they Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she agree that, if they were Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she agree that, if they were asked Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she agree that, if they were asked to Policing Act 2008. So no. Does she agree that, if they were asked to do agree that, if they were asked to do so agree that, if they were asked to do so by agree that, if they were asked to do so by the agree that, if they were asked to do so by the then-Deputy agree that, if they were asked to do so by the then-Deputy PM, agree that, if they were asked to do so by the then-Deputy PM, Bill so by the then-Deputy PM, Bill English, so by the then-Deputy PM, Bill English, then so by the then-Deputy PM, Bill English, then police so by the then-Deputy PM, Bill English, then police would so by the then-Deputy PM, Bill English, then police would have so by the then-Deputy PM, Bill English, then police would have had English, then police would have had little English, then police would have had little choice, English, then police would have had little choice, other English, then police would have had little choice, other than English, then police would have had little choice, other than to little choice, other than to withhold little choice, other than to withhold the little choice, other than to withhold the statement? little choice, other than to withhold the statement? 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At the end of the day, the Police Commissioner questions like that. At the end of the day, the Police Commissioner is the day, the Police Commissioner is independent, the day, the Police Commissioner is independent, and the day, the Police Commissioner is independent, and I the day, the Police Commissioner is independent, and I respect the day, the Police Commissioner is independent, and I respect that. the day, the Police Commissioner is independent, and I respect that. Can independent, and I respect that. Can she independent, and I respect that. Can she explain independent, and I respect that. Can she explain why independent, and I respect that. Can she explain why police independent, and I respect that. Can she explain why police did independent, and I respect that. Can she explain why police did not independent, and I respect that. Can she explain why police did not serve she explain why police did not serve Todd she explain why police did not serve Todd Barclay she explain why police did not serve Todd Barclay with she explain why police did not serve Todd Barclay with a she explain why police did not serve Todd Barclay with a search she explain why police did not serve Todd Barclay with a search warrant, Todd Barclay with a search warrant, after Todd Barclay with a search warrant, after Bill Todd Barclay with a search warrant, after Bill English Todd Barclay with a search warrant, after Bill English told Todd Barclay with a search warrant, after Bill English told police Todd Barclay with a search warrant, after Bill English told police that after Bill English told police that he after Bill English told police that he knew after Bill English told police that he knew that after Bill English told police that he knew that Todd after Bill English told police that he knew that Todd Barclay after Bill English told police that he knew that Todd Barclay had he knew that Todd Barclay had recorded he knew that Todd Barclay had recorded his he knew that Todd Barclay had recorded his staff. he knew that Todd Barclay had recorded his staff. Order! he knew that Todd Barclay had recorded his staff. Order! Insofar recorded his staff. Order! Insofar as recorded his staff. Order! Insofar as there recorded his staff. Order! Insofar as there may recorded his staff. Order! Insofar as there may be recorded his staff. Order! Insofar as there may be ministerial as there may be ministerial responsibility, as there may be ministerial responsibility, the as there may be ministerial responsibility, the Honourable as there may be ministerial responsibility, the Honourable Paula responsibility, the Honourable Paula Bennett. responsibility, the Honourable Paula Bennett. No, responsibility, the Honourable Paula Bennett. No, I responsibility, the Honourable Paula Bennett. No, I can't, responsibility, the Honourable Paula Bennett. No, I can't, because responsibility, the Honourable Paula Bennett. No, I can't, because I responsibility, the Honourable Paula Bennett. No, I can't, because I have Bennett. No, I can't, because I have no Bennett. No, I can't, because I have no responsibility Bennett. No, I can't, because I have no responsibility for Bennett. No, I can't, because I have no responsibility for that no responsibility for that whatsoever. no responsibility for that whatsoever. Can no responsibility for that whatsoever. Can she no responsibility for that whatsoever. Can she explain no responsibility for that whatsoever. Can she explain why whatsoever. Can she explain why police whatsoever. Can she explain why police decided whatsoever. Can she explain why police decided that whatsoever. Can she explain why police decided that there whatsoever. 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I think there is a point where the minister clearly has where the minister clearly has absolutely where the minister clearly has absolutely no where the minister clearly has absolutely no responsibility, where the minister clearly has absolutely no responsibility, and absolutely no responsibility, and that's absolutely no responsibility, and that's, absolutely no responsibility, and that's, I'd absolutely no responsibility, and that's, I'd submit, absolutely no responsibility, and that's, I'd submit, this absolutely no responsibility, and that's, I'd submit, this question that's, I'd submit, this question right that's, I'd submit, this question right now. that's, I'd submit, this question right now. It's that's, I'd submit, this question right now. It's entirely that's, I'd submit, this question right now. It's entirely out that's, I'd submit, this question right now. It's entirely out of right now. It's entirely out of order. right now. It's entirely out of order. No, right now. 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No, because the Police Commissioner one for the minister to answer. No, because the Police Commissioner and because the Police Commissioner and the because the Police Commissioner and the police because the Police Commissioner and the police have because the Police Commissioner and the police have a because the Police Commissioner and the police have a statutory the police have a statutory independence the police have a statutory independence and the police have a statutory independence and a the police have a statutory independence and a minister the police have a statutory independence and a minister is the police have a statutory independence and a minister is not independence and a minister is not appropriate independence and a minister is not appropriate for independence and a minister is not appropriate for them independence and a minister is not appropriate for them to independence and a minister is not appropriate for them to be independence and a minister is not appropriate for them to be involved. appropriate for them to be involved. Has appropriate for them to be involved. Has she appropriate for them to be involved. Has she or appropriate for them to be involved. Has she or any appropriate for them to be involved. Has she or any other appropriate for them to be involved. Has she or any other minister, Has she or any other minister, including Has she or any other minister, including Bill Has she or any other minister, including Bill English, Has she or any other minister, including Bill English, had including Bill English, had conversations including Bill English, had conversations with including Bill English, had conversations with police including Bill English, had conversations with police about conversations with police about allegations conversations with police about allegations that conversations with police about allegations that a conversations with police about allegations that a National conversations with police about allegations that a National Party allegations that a National Party board allegations that a National Party board member allegations that a National Party board member politically allegations that a National Party board member politically interfered board member politically interfered by board member politically interfered by threatening board member politically interfered by threatening Gleniys board member politically interfered by threatening Gleniys Dixon's by threatening Gleniys Dixon's family by threatening Gleniys Dixon's family over by threatening Gleniys Dixon's family over the by threatening Gleniys Dixon's family over the issue by threatening Gleniys Dixon's family over the issue with by threatening Gleniys Dixon's family over the issue with Todd family over the issue with Todd Barclay. family over the issue with Todd Barclay. I family over the issue with Todd Barclay. I can family over the issue with Todd Barclay. I can only family over the issue with Todd Barclay. I can only speak family over the issue with Todd Barclay. I can only speak in family over the issue with Todd Barclay. I can only speak in my Barclay. I can only speak in my capacity Barclay. I can only speak in my capacity as Barclay. I can only speak in my capacity as Minister Barclay. I can only speak in my capacity as Minister of Barclay. I can only speak in my capacity as Minister of Police, Barclay. I can only speak in my capacity as Minister of Police, and capacity as Minister of Police, and no. capacity as Minister of Police, and no. Has capacity as Minister of Police, and no. Has she capacity as Minister of Police, and no. Has she or capacity as Minister of Police, and no. Has she or any capacity as Minister of Police, and no. Has she or any other capacity as Minister of Police, and no. Has she or any other minister no. Has she or any other minister including no. Has she or any other minister including Bill no. Has she or any other minister including Bill English no. Has she or any other minister including Bill English discouraged including Bill English discouraged police including Bill English discouraged police from including Bill English discouraged police from investigating including Bill English discouraged police from investigating the police from investigating the allegations police from investigating the allegations that police from investigating the allegations that a police from investigating the allegations that a National police from investigating the allegations that a National Party allegations that a National Party board allegations that a National Party board member allegations that a National Party board member threatened allegations that a National Party board member threatened Glenys allegations that a National Party board member threatened Glenys Dixon board member threatened Glenys Dixon and board member threatened Glenys Dixon and encouraged board member threatened Glenys Dixon and encouraged her board member threatened Glenys Dixon and encouraged her to board member threatened Glenys Dixon and encouraged her to drop board member threatened Glenys Dixon and encouraged her to drop the and encouraged her to drop the complaint and encouraged her to drop the complaint against and encouraged her to drop the complaint against Todd and encouraged her to drop the complaint against Todd Barclay. and encouraged her to drop the complaint against Todd Barclay. As complaint against Todd Barclay. As the complaint against Todd Barclay. As the Minister complaint against Todd Barclay. As the Minister of complaint against Todd Barclay. As the Minister of Police, complaint against Todd Barclay. As the Minister of Police, they complaint against Todd Barclay. As the Minister of Police, they have the Minister of Police, they have statutory the Minister of Police, they have statutory independence, the Minister of Police, they have statutory independence, I the Minister of Police, they have statutory independence, I know the Minister of Police, they have statutory independence, I know of the Minister of Police, they have statutory independence, I know of no statutory independence, I know of no such statutory independence, I know of no such incidences, statutory independence, I know of no such incidences, so statutory independence, I know of no such incidences, so no. statutory independence, I know of no such incidences, so no. Does statutory independence, I know of no such incidences, so no. Does she such incidences, so no. Does she expect such incidences, so no. Does she expect New such incidences, so no. Does she expect New Zealanders such incidences, so no. Does she expect New Zealanders to such incidences, so no. Does she expect New Zealanders to believe expect New Zealanders to believe that expect New Zealanders to believe that police expect New Zealanders to believe that police have expect New Zealanders to believe that police have not expect New Zealanders to believe that police have not been expect New Zealanders to believe that police have not been influenced that police have not been influenced in that police have not been influenced in their that police have not been influenced in their investigations that police have not been influenced in their investigations by that police have not been influenced in their investigations by senior in their investigations by senior National in their investigations by senior National Party in their investigations by senior National Party figures, in their investigations by senior National Party figures, including National Party figures, including the National Party figures, including the new National Party figures, including the new - National Party figures, including the new - the National Party figures, including the new - the now-Prime National Party figures, including the new - the now-Prime Minister the new - the now-Prime Minister Bill the new - the now-Prime Minister Bill English, the new - the now-Prime Minister Bill English, who the new - the now-Prime Minister Bill English, who would the new - the now-Prime Minister Bill English, who would rather the new - the now-Prime Minister Bill English, who would rather the Bill English, who would rather the whole Bill English, who would rather the whole affair Bill English, who would rather the whole affair just Bill English, who would rather the whole affair just went Bill English, who would rather the whole affair just went away? 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The Clerk has now actually handed me a copy time to move forward. The Clerk has now actually handed me a copy of time to move forward. 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Is New Zealand on track to halve poverty Supplementary question. 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