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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, humbly Almighty God, humbly acknowledging Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for humbly acknowledging our need for your humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all humbly acknowledging our need for your guidance in all things, your guidance in all things, and your guidance in all things, and laying your guidance in all things, and laying aside your guidance in all things, and laying aside all your guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and laying aside all private and and laying aside all private and personal and laying aside all private and personal interests, and personal interests, we and personal interests, we ask and personal interests, we ask that and personal interests, we ask that you and personal interests, we ask that you grant we ask that you grant that we ask that you grant that we we ask that you grant that we may we ask that you grant that we may conduct we ask that you grant that we may conduct the we ask that you grant that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House that we may conduct the affairs of this House and that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country of this House and of our country to of this House and of our country to the of this House and of our country to the glory of this House and of our country to the glory of of this House and of our country to the glory of your of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy of this House and of our country to the glory of your holy name, to the glory of your holy name, the to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true to the glory of your holy name, the maintenance of true religion the maintenance of true religion and the maintenance of true religion and justice, and justice, the and justice, the honour and justice, the honour of and justice, the honour of the and justice, the honour of the Queen, the honour of the Queen, and the honour of the Queen, and the the honour of the Queen, and the public the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and the public welfare, peace, and and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. through Jesus Christ our Lord. 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Can the minister confirm that the number of confirm that the number of households confirm that the number of households who confirm that the number of households who are confirm that the number of households who are now confirm that the number of households who are now paying confirm that the number of households who are now paying more households who are now paying more than households who are now paying more than 30% households who are now paying more than 30% of households who are now paying more than 30% of their households who are now paying more than 30% of their income households who are now paying more than 30% of their income in households who are now paying more than 30% of their income in housing than 30% of their income in housing costs than 30% of their income in housing costs and than 30% of their income in housing costs and are, than 30% of their income in housing costs and are, therefore, than 30% of their income in housing costs and are, therefore, in than 30% of their income in housing costs and are, therefore, in housing costs and are, therefore, in housing stress costs and are, therefore, in housing stress is costs and are, therefore, in housing stress is at costs and are, therefore, in housing stress is at a costs and are, therefore, in housing stress is at a record costs and are, therefore, in housing stress is at a record high? costs and are, therefore, in housing stress is at a record high? 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Why does she not instruct MSD to keep records of beneficiaries MSD to keep records of beneficiaries and MSD to keep records of beneficiaries and their MSD to keep records of beneficiaries and their children MSD to keep records of beneficiaries and their children who MSD to keep records of beneficiaries and their children who are MSD to keep records of beneficiaries and their children who are homeless and their children who are homeless when and their children who are homeless when she and their children who are homeless when she knows and their children who are homeless when she knows that and their children who are homeless when she knows that poverty and their children who are homeless when she knows that poverty and when she knows that poverty and homelessness when she knows that poverty and homelessness are when she knows that poverty and homelessness are two when she knows that poverty and homelessness are two of when she knows that poverty and homelessness are two of the when she knows that poverty and homelessness are two of the most homelessness are two of the most pressing homelessness are two of the most pressing social homelessness are two of the most pressing social issues homelessness are two of the most pressing social issues facing homelessness are two of the most pressing social issues facing New pressing social issues facing New Zealand pressing social issues facing New Zealand today? pressing social issues facing New Zealand today? Well, pressing social issues facing New Zealand today? Well, Mr pressing social issues facing New Zealand today? Well, Mr Speaker, pressing social issues facing New Zealand today? Well, Mr Speaker, the Zealand today? Well, Mr Speaker, the member Zealand today? Well, Mr Speaker, the member is Zealand today? Well, Mr Speaker, the member is assuming Zealand today? Well, Mr Speaker, the member is assuming that Zealand today? Well, Mr Speaker, the member is assuming that because Zealand today? Well, Mr Speaker, the member is assuming that because we member is assuming that because we don't member is assuming that because we don't have member is assuming that because we don't have figures member is assuming that because we don't have figures that member is assuming that because we don't have figures that we member is assuming that because we don't have figures that we don't member is assuming that because we don't have figures that we don't - don't have figures that we don't - that don't have figures that we don't - that Work don't have figures that we don't - that Work and don't have figures that we don't - that Work and Income don't have figures that we don't - that Work and Income don't don't have figures that we don't - that Work and Income don't deal don't have figures that we don't - that Work and Income don't deal with that Work and Income don't deal with people that Work and Income don't deal with people who that Work and Income don't deal with people who have that Work and Income don't deal with people who have those that Work and Income don't deal with people who have those issues. that Work and Income don't deal with people who have those issues. 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How many of the 60,000 children she says many of the 60,000 children she says are many of the 60,000 children she says are no many of the 60,000 children she says are no longer many of the 60,000 children she says are no longer on many of the 60,000 children she says are no longer on benefit many of the 60,000 children she says are no longer on benefit dependent are no longer on benefit dependent households are no longer on benefit dependent households are are no longer on benefit dependent households are now are no longer on benefit dependent households are now in are no longer on benefit dependent households are now in households are no longer on benefit dependent households are now in households who households are now in households who live households are now in households who live above households are now in households who live above the households are now in households who live above the poverty households are now in households who live above the poverty line? households are now in households who live above the poverty line? Mr live above the poverty line? Mr Speaker, live above the poverty line? Mr Speaker, I live above the poverty line? Mr Speaker, I have live above the poverty line? Mr Speaker, I have said live above the poverty line? Mr Speaker, I have said in live above the poverty line? Mr Speaker, I have said in answer live above the poverty line? 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We into jail, some of them die. We don't into jail, some of them die. We don't necessarily into jail, some of them die. We don't necessarily follow into jail, some of them die. We don't necessarily follow them into jail, some of them die. We don't necessarily follow them as don't necessarily follow them as they don't necessarily follow them as they leave don't necessarily follow them as they leave a don't necessarily follow them as they leave a benefit. don't necessarily follow them as they leave a benefit. However don't necessarily follow them as they leave a benefit. However I don't necessarily follow them as they leave a benefit. However I have they leave a benefit. However I have conducted they leave a benefit. However I have conducted some they leave a benefit. However I have conducted some research they leave a benefit. 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But to people who leave the benefit. But it to people who leave the benefit. But it is to people who leave the benefit. But it is clear to people who leave the benefit. But it is clear even to people who leave the benefit. But it is clear even at to people who leave the benefit. But it is clear even at this to people who leave the benefit. But it is clear even at this early to people who leave the benefit. But it is clear even at this early stage it is clear even at this early stage that it is clear even at this early stage that well it is clear even at this early stage that well over it is clear even at this early stage that well over a it is clear even at this early stage that well over a third it is clear even at this early stage that well over a third of it is clear even at this early stage that well over a third of the it is clear even at this early stage that well over a third of the people that well over a third of the people who that well over a third of the people who leave that well over a third of the people who leave the that well over a third of the people who leave the benefit that well over a third of the people who leave the benefit are that well over a third of the people who leave the benefit are still that well over a third of the people who leave the benefit are still in who leave the benefit are still in work who leave the benefit are still in work two who leave the benefit are still in work two years who leave the benefit are still in work two years later. who leave the benefit are still in work two years later. So who leave the benefit are still in work two years later. So the work two years later. So the minister work two years later. So the minister does work two years later. So the minister does accept work two years later. So the minister does accept the work two years later. So the minister does accept the analysis minister does accept the analysis which minister does accept the analysis which shows minister does accept the analysis which shows that minister does accept the analysis which shows that two minister does accept the analysis which shows that two years minister does accept the analysis which shows that two years after which shows that two years after coming which shows that two years after coming off which shows that two years after coming off a which shows that two years after coming off a benefit which shows that two years after coming off a benefit only which shows that two years after coming off a benefit only 33% which shows that two years after coming off a benefit only 33% of coming off a benefit only 33% of those coming off a benefit only 33% of those beneficiaries coming off a benefit only 33% of those beneficiaries are coming off a benefit only 33% of those beneficiaries are now coming off a benefit only 33% of those beneficiaries are now in coming off a benefit only 33% of those beneficiaries are now in paid those beneficiaries are now in paid employment? those beneficiaries are now in paid employment? Mr those beneficiaries are now in paid employment? Mr Speaker, those beneficiaries are now in paid employment? Mr Speaker, yes, those beneficiaries are now in paid employment? Mr Speaker, yes, that employment? Mr Speaker, yes, that was employment? Mr Speaker, yes, that was right. employment? Mr Speaker, yes, that was right. But employment? Mr Speaker, yes, that was right. But Superu employment? Mr Speaker, yes, that was right. But Superu research employment? Mr Speaker, yes, that was right. But Superu research shows was right. But Superu research shows - was right. But Superu research shows - as was right. But Superu research shows - as I was right. But Superu research shows - as I said, was right. But Superu research shows - as I said, there was right. But Superu research shows - as I said, there are was right. But Superu research shows - as I said, there are a was right. But Superu research shows - as I said, there are a whole - as I said, there are a whole variety - as I said, there are a whole variety of - as I said, there are a whole variety of things - as I said, there are a whole variety of things that - as I said, there are a whole variety of things that people - as I said, there are a whole variety of things that people go - as I said, there are a whole variety of things that people go on variety of things that people go on to variety of things that people go on to do variety of things that people go on to do in variety of things that people go on to do in their variety of things that people go on to do in their lives, variety of things that people go on to do in their lives, some variety of things that people go on to do in their lives, some of variety of things that people go on to do in their lives, some of them variety of things that people go on to do in their lives, some of them - to do in their lives, some of them - some to do in their lives, some of them - some of to do in their lives, some of them - some of them to do in their lives, some of them - some of them go to do in their lives, some of them - some of them go into to do in their lives, some of them - some of them go into work, to do in their lives, some of them - some of them go into work, some to do in their lives, some of them - some of them go into work, some of some of them go into work, some of them some of them go into work, some of them go some of them go into work, some of them go into some of them go into work, some of them go into a some of them go into work, some of them go into a different some of them go into work, some of them go into a different household them go into a different household situation them go into a different household situation where them go into a different household situation where they them go into a different household situation where they don't them go into a different household situation where they don't have them go into a different household situation where they don't have to situation where they don't have to work situation where they don't have to work and situation where they don't have to work and are situation where they don't have to work and are supported situation where they don't have to work and are supported by situation where they don't have to work and are supported by someone work and are supported by someone else. work and are supported by someone else. 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Is whole variety of things that people do. Is the whole variety of things that people do. Is the minister whole variety of things that people do. Is the minister concerned whole variety of things that people do. Is the minister concerned after do. Is the minister concerned after housing do. Is the minister concerned after housing costs do. Is the minister concerned after housing costs the do. Is the minister concerned after housing costs the population do. Is the minister concerned after housing costs the population poverty housing costs the population poverty rate housing costs the population poverty rate in housing costs the population poverty rate in 2016 housing costs the population poverty rate in 2016 is housing costs the population poverty rate in 2016 is exactly housing costs the population poverty rate in 2016 is exactly the housing costs the population poverty rate in 2016 is exactly the same housing costs the population poverty rate in 2016 is exactly the same as rate in 2016 is exactly the same as it rate in 2016 is exactly the same as it was rate in 2016 is exactly the same as it was at rate in 2016 is exactly the same as it was at the rate in 2016 is exactly the same as it was at the time rate in 2016 is exactly the same as it was at the time of rate in 2016 is exactly the same as it was at the time of the rate in 2016 is exactly the same as it was at the time of the global it was at the time of the global financial it was at the time of the global financial crisis it was at the time of the global financial crisis and it was at the time of the global financial crisis and so it was at the time of the global financial crisis and so has it was at the time of the global financial crisis and so has not financial crisis and so has not changed financial crisis and so has not changed during financial crisis and so has not changed during the financial crisis and so has not changed during the time financial crisis and so has not changed during the time of financial crisis and so has not changed during the time of the changed during the time of the National changed during the time of the National Government? changed during the time of the National Government? Mr changed during the time of the National Government? Mr Speaker, changed during the time of the National Government? Mr Speaker, I National Government? Mr Speaker, I would National Government? Mr Speaker, I National National Government? Mr Speaker, I would have to National Government? Mr Speaker, I would have to look National Government? Mr Speaker, I would have to look at National Government? Mr Speaker, I would have to look at the National Government? Mr Speaker, I would have to look at the figures would have to look at the figures that would have to look at the figures that that would have to look at the figures that that member would have to look at the figures that that member is would have to look at the figures that that member is referring would have to look at the figures that that member is referring to. that that member is referring to. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Question <INTERRUPTION> Question No. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 4. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Housing: My question is to the Minister for Social Housing: Does My question is to the Minister for Social Housing: Does she My question is to the Minister for Social Housing: Does she agree for Social Housing: Does she agree with for Social Housing: Does she agree with the for Social Housing: Does she agree with the Prime for Social Housing: Does she agree with the Prime Minister's for Social Housing: Does she agree with the Prime Minister's statement with the Prime Minister's statement about with the Prime Minister's statement about the with the Prime Minister's statement about the Government with the Prime Minister's statement about the Government spending about the Government spending $140,000 about the Government spending $140,000 a about the Government spending $140,000 a day about the Government spending $140,000 a day on about the Government spending $140,000 a day on putting about the Government spending $140,000 a day on putting homeless $140,000 a day on putting homeless people $140,000 a day on putting homeless people into $140,000 a day on putting homeless people into motels $140,000 a day on putting homeless people into motels "I $140,000 a day on putting homeless people into motels "I don't $140,000 a day on putting homeless people into motels "I don't know $140,000 a day on putting homeless people into motels "I don't know why people into motels "I don't know why people people into motels "I don't know why people are people into motels "I don't know why people are complaining people into motels "I don't know why people are complaining about people into motels "I don't know why people are complaining about this"? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, the Mr Speaker, the PM Mr Speaker, the PM was Mr Speaker, the PM was making Mr Speaker, the PM was making the Mr Speaker, the PM was making the comment Mr Speaker, the PM was making the comment that Mr Speaker, the PM was making the comment that we're Mr Speaker, the PM was making the comment that we're more Mr Speaker, the PM was making the comment that we're more than comment that we're more than comfortable comment that we're more than comfortable spending comment that we're more than comfortable spending money comment that we're more than comfortable spending money to comment that we're more than comfortable spending money to ensure comfortable spending money to ensure that comfortable spending money to ensure that no-one comfortable spending money to ensure that no-one in comfortable spending money to ensure that no-one in genuine comfortable spending money to ensure that no-one in genuine hardship that no-one in genuine hardship should that no-one in genuine hardship that that no-one in genuine hardship should have to that no-one in genuine hardship should have to sleep that no-one in genuine hardship should have to sleep rough that no-one in genuine hardship should have to sleep rough on that no-one in genuine hardship should have to sleep rough on our should have to sleep rough on our streets should have to sleep rough on our streets and should have to sleep rough on our streets and of should have to sleep rough on our streets and of course should have to sleep rough on our streets and of course I should have to sleep rough on our streets and of course I agree should have to sleep rough on our streets and of course I agree with streets and of course I agree with that. streets and of course I agree with that. I streets and of course I agree with that. I also streets and of course I agree with that. I also agree streets and of course I agree with that. I also agree with streets and of course I agree with that. I also agree with the streets and of course I agree with that. I also agree with the PM streets and of course I agree with that. I also agree with the PM that that. I also agree with the PM that the that. I also agree with the PM that the member that. I also agree with the PM that the member can't that. I also agree with the PM that the member can't have that. I also agree with the PM that the member can't have it that. I also agree with the PM that the member can't have it both that. I also agree with the PM that the member can't have it both ways, the member can't have it both ways, criticising the member can't have it both ways, criticising the the member can't have it both ways, criticising the Government the member can't have it both ways, criticising the Government of the member can't have it both ways, criticising the Government of not criticising the Government of not doing criticising the Government of not doing enough criticising the Government of not doing enough and criticising the Government of not doing enough and criticising criticising the Government of not doing enough and criticising the doing enough and criticising the Government doing enough and criticising the Government of doing enough and criticising the Government of spending doing enough and criticising the Government of spending too doing enough and criticising the Government of spending too much. Government of spending too much. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, <INTERRUPTION> Order! Supplementary question, Phil Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Thank Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Thank you, Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Thank you, Mr Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it so Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it so hard Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it so hard for Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it so hard for her Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it so hard for her and Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it so hard for her and the Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it so hard for her and the PM Twyford. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is it so hard for her and the PM to is it so hard for her and the PM to understand is it so hard for her and the PM to understand that is it so hard for her and the PM to understand that people is it so hard for her and the PM to understand that people are understand that people are complaining understand that people are complaining not understand that people are complaining not because understand that people are complaining not because the complaining not because the Government complaining not because the Government is complaining not because the Government is putting complaining not because the Government is putting people complaining not because the Government is putting people up complaining not because the Government is putting people up in Government is putting people up in motorles Government is putting people up in motorles but Government is putting people up in motorles but because Government is putting people up in motorles but because the Government is putting people up in motorles but because the Government motorles but because the Government has motorles but because the Government has so motorles but because the Government has so mismanaged motorles but because the Government has so mismanaged the motorles but because the Government has so mismanaged the housing motorles but because the Government has so mismanaged the housing crisis has so mismanaged the housing crisis that has so mismanaged the housing crisis that so has so mismanaged the housing crisis that so many has so mismanaged the housing crisis that so many people has so mismanaged the housing crisis that so many people need has so mismanaged the housing crisis that so many people need to has so mismanaged the housing crisis that so many people need to be has so mismanaged the housing crisis that so many people need to be put that so many people need to be put up that so many people need to be put up in that so many people need to be put up in motels. that so many people need to be put up in motels. Mr that so many people need to be put up in motels. Mr Speaker, that so many people need to be put up in motels. Mr Speaker, what that so many people need to be put up in motels. Mr Speaker, what the up in motels. Mr Speaker, what the member up in motels. Mr Speaker, what the member fails up in motels. Mr Speaker, what the member fails to up in motels. Mr Speaker, what the member fails to appreciate up in motels. Mr Speaker, what the member fails to appreciate is up in motels. Mr Speaker, what the member fails to appreciate is that member fails to appreciate is that this member fails to appreciate is that this is member fails to appreciate is that this is not member fails to appreciate is that this is not a member fails to appreciate is that this is not a new member fails to appreciate is that this is not a new issue member fails to appreciate is that this is not a new issue and member fails to appreciate is that this is not a new issue and I member fails to appreciate is that this is not a new issue and I can this is not a new issue and I can point this is not a new issue and I can point to this is not a new issue and I can point to countless this is not a new issue and I can point to countless reports this is not a new issue and I can point to countless reports from this is not a new issue and I can point to countless reports from the point to countless reports from the Labour point to countless reports from the Labour Government point to countless reports from the Labour Government of point to countless reports from the Labour Government of people point to countless reports from the Labour Government of people sleeping Labour Government of people sleeping in Labour Government of people sleeping in cars. Labour Government of people sleeping in cars. What's Labour Government of people sleeping in cars. What's different Labour Government of people sleeping in cars. What's different is Labour Government of people sleeping in cars. What's different is this in cars. What's different is this Government in cars. What's different is this Government for in cars. What's different is this Government for the in cars. What's different is this Government for the first in cars. What's different is this Government for the first time in cars. 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And after last year's winter of misery, only year's winter of misery, only Budgeted year's winter of misery, only Budgeted $2 year's winter of misery, only Budgeted $2 million year's winter of misery, only Budgeted $2 million but year's winter of misery, only Budgeted $2 million but now year's winter of misery, only Budgeted $2 million but now expects Budgeted $2 million but now expects to Budgeted $2 million but now expects to spend Budgeted $2 million but now expects to spend $50 Budgeted $2 million but now expects to spend $50 million Budgeted $2 million but now expects to spend $50 million on Budgeted $2 million but now expects to spend $50 million on motels? Budgeted $2 million but now expects to spend $50 million on motels? Mr to spend $50 million on motels? Mr Speaker, to spend $50 million on motels? Mr Speaker, with to spend $50 million on motels? Mr Speaker, with a to spend $50 million on motels? Mr Speaker, with a Government to spend $50 million on motels? Mr Speaker, with a Government for to spend $50 million on motels? 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Order! if they go to MSD, we will find them a solution. Order! Supplementary a solution. Order! Supplementary question, a solution. Order! Supplementary question, Phil a solution. Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. a solution. Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why a solution. Order! Supplementary question, Phil Twyford. Why won't question, Phil Twyford. Why won't she question, Phil Twyford. Why won't she admit question, Phil Twyford. Why won't she admit that question, Phil Twyford. Why won't she admit that she question, Phil Twyford. Why won't she admit that she is question, Phil Twyford. 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Order! dwellings by 3,000? <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker... Order! Mr dwellings by 3,000? <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker... Order! Mr Speaker, dwellings by 3,000? <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker... Order! Mr Speaker, the Mr Speaker... Order! Mr Speaker, the member Mr Speaker... Order! Mr Speaker, the member is Mr Speaker... Order! Mr Speaker, the member is absolutely Mr Speaker... Order! Mr Speaker, the member is absolutely and Mr Speaker... Order! Mr Speaker, the member is absolutely and utterly member is absolutely and utterly wrong. member is absolutely and utterly wrong. Those member is absolutely and utterly wrong. Those numbers member is absolutely and utterly wrong. Those numbers are member is absolutely and utterly wrong. Those numbers are not member is absolutely and utterly wrong. Those numbers are not correct wrong. Those numbers are not correct and wrong. Those numbers are not correct and we're wrong. Those numbers are not correct and we're in wrong. 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Those numbers are not correct and we're in the process of and we're in the process of delivering and we're in the process of delivering 6,000 and we're in the process of delivering 6,000 more and we're in the process of delivering 6,000 more social and we're in the process of delivering 6,000 more social houses delivering 6,000 more social houses while delivering 6,000 more social houses while we're delivering 6,000 more social houses while we're delivering delivering 6,000 more social houses while we're delivering transitional while we're delivering transitional houses while we're delivering transitional houses and while we're delivering transitional houses and while while we're delivering transitional houses and while we're while we're delivering transitional houses and while we're supporting while we're delivering transitional houses and while we're supporting in houses and while we're supporting in transitional houses and while we're supporting in transitional care, houses and while we're supporting in transitional care, something houses and while we're supporting in transitional care, something that transitional care, something that that transitional care, something that delivering transitional care, something that that party never transitional care, something that that party never did. transitional care, something that that party never did. <INTERRUPTION> that party never did. <INTERRUPTION> Question that party never did. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. that party never did. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Climate My question is to the Minister for Climate Change My question is to the Minister for Climate Change Issues: for Climate Change Issues: What for Climate Change Issues: What announcements for Climate Change Issues: What announcements has What announcements has she What announcements has she made What announcements has she made about What announcements has she made about changes she made about changes to she made about changes to the she made about changes to the Emissions she made about changes to the Emissions Trading she made about changes to the Emissions Trading Scheme? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, today Mr Speaker, today I Mr Speaker, today I have Mr Speaker, today I have announced Mr Speaker, today I have announced a Mr Speaker, today I have announced a package Mr Speaker, today I have announced a package of Mr Speaker, today I have announced a package of changes Mr Speaker, today I have announced a package of changes that Mr Speaker, today I have announced a package of changes that the package of changes that the Government package of changes that the Government will package of changes that the Government will make package of changes that the Government will make to package of changes that the Government will make to the Government will make to the emissions Government will make to the emissions trading Government will make to the emissions trading scheme Government will make to the emissions trading scheme to Government will make to the emissions trading scheme to ensure emissions trading scheme to ensure it emissions trading scheme to ensure it puts emissions trading scheme to ensure it puts us emissions trading scheme to ensure it puts us in emissions trading scheme to ensure it puts us in the emissions trading scheme to ensure it puts us in the best emissions trading scheme to ensure it puts us in the best possible it puts us in the best possible position it puts us in the best possible position to it puts us in the best possible position to achieve it puts us in the best possible position to achieve our it puts us in the best possible position to achieve our 2030 it puts us in the best possible position to achieve our 2030 target. position to achieve our 2030 target. We're position to achieve our 2030 target. We're committed position to achieve our 2030 target. We're committed to position to achieve our 2030 target. We're committed to the position to achieve our 2030 target. We're committed to the ETS position to achieve our 2030 target. We're committed to the ETS being position to achieve our 2030 target. We're committed to the ETS being our We're committed to the ETS being our key We're committed to the ETS being our key tool We're committed to the ETS being our key tool to We're committed to the ETS being our key tool to reduce We're committed to the ETS being our key tool to reduce our We're committed to the ETS being our key tool to reduce our emissions We're committed to the ETS being our key tool to reduce our emissions and key tool to reduce our emissions and that's key tool to reduce our emissions and that's why key tool to reduce our emissions and that's why we key tool to reduce our emissions and that's why we have key tool to reduce our emissions and that's why we have begun key tool to reduce our emissions and that's why we have begun a key tool to reduce our emissions and that's why we have begun a review key tool to reduce our emissions and that's why we have begun a review of that's why we have begun a review of the that's why we have begun a review of the scheme that's why we have begun a review of the scheme in that's why we have begun a review of the scheme in 2015 that's why we have begun a review of the scheme in 2015 to that's why we have begun a review of the scheme in 2015 to ensure that's why we have begun a review of the scheme in 2015 to ensure it that's why we have begun a review of the scheme in 2015 to ensure it is the scheme in 2015 to ensure it is fit-for-purpose. the scheme in 2015 to ensure it is fit-for-purpose. The the scheme in 2015 to ensure it is fit-for-purpose. The proposals fit-for-purpose. The proposals announced fit-for-purpose. The proposals announced today fit-for-purpose. The proposals announced today will fit-for-purpose. The proposals announced today will provide announced today will provide businesses announced today will provide businesses with announced today will provide businesses with the announced today will provide businesses with the clarity announced today will provide businesses with the clarity they businesses with the clarity they need businesses with the clarity they need about businesses with the clarity they need about the businesses with the clarity they need about the future businesses with the clarity they need about the future direction businesses with the clarity they need about the future direction of need about the future direction of the need about the future direction of the ETS. need about the future direction of the ETS. Thank need about the future direction of the ETS. Thank you, need about the future direction of the ETS. Thank you, Mr need about the future direction of the ETS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. need about the future direction of the ETS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can the ETS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can she the ETS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can she elaborate the ETS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can she elaborate on the ETS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can she elaborate on the the ETS. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can she elaborate on the specific she elaborate on the specific changes she elaborate on the specific she she elaborate on the specific changes being made? she elaborate on the specific changes being made? Mr she elaborate on the specific changes being made? Mr Speaker, she elaborate on the specific changes being made? Mr Speaker, I changes being made? Mr Speaker, I can. changes being made? Mr Speaker, I can. The changes being made? Mr Speaker, I can. The changes changes being made? Mr Speaker, I can. The changes that changes being made? Mr Speaker, I can. The changes that are changes being made? Mr Speaker, I can. The changes that are being changes being made? Mr Speaker, I can. The changes that are being made can. The changes that are being made are can. The changes that are being made are more can. The changes that are being made are more predictable can. The changes that are being made are more predictable and can. The changes that are being made are more predictable and transparent are more predictable and transparent process are more predictable and transparent process for are more predictable and transparent process for ETS are more predictable and transparent process for ETS decision-making. process for ETS decision-making. We're process for ETS decision-making. We're going process for ETS decision-making. We're going to process for ETS decision-making. We're going to introduce process for ETS decision-making. We're going to introduce the We're going to introduce the auctioning We're going to introduce the auctioning of We're going to introduce the auctioning of units We're going to introduce the auctioning of units to We're going to introduce the auctioning of units to align We're going to introduce the auctioning of units to align the We're going to introduce the auctioning of units to align the ETS auctioning of units to align the ETS to auctioning of units to align the ETS to our auctioning of units to align the ETS to our climate auctioning of units to align the ETS to our climate change auctioning of units to align the ETS to our climate change targets, auctioning of units to align the ETS to our climate change targets, limit to our climate change targets, limit participants' to our climate change targets, limit participants' use to our climate change targets, limit participants' use of to our climate change targets, limit participants' use of the to our climate change targets, limit participants' use of the units to our climate change targets, limit participants' use of the units when participants' use of the units when the participants' use of the units when the ETS participants' use of the units when the ETS opens participants' use of the units when the ETS opens to participants' use of the units when the ETS opens to international the ETS opens to international carbon the ETS opens to international carbon markets, the ETS opens to international carbon markets, develop the ETS opens to international carbon markets, develop a the ETS opens to international carbon markets, develop a different carbon markets, develop a different price carbon markets, develop a different price ceiling carbon markets, develop a different price ceiling to carbon markets, develop a different price ceiling to eventually carbon markets, develop a different price ceiling to eventually replace price ceiling to eventually replace the price ceiling to eventually replace the current price ceiling to eventually replace the current $25 price ceiling to eventually replace the current $25 fixed price ceiling to eventually replace the current $25 fixed price price ceiling to eventually replace the current $25 fixed price option, the current $25 fixed price option, and the current $25 fixed price option, and coordinate the current $25 fixed price option, and coordinate decisions the current $25 fixed price option, and coordinate decisions on the current $25 fixed price option, and coordinate decisions on the and coordinate decisions on the supply and coordinate decisions on the supply settings and coordinate decisions on the supply settings in and coordinate decisions on the supply settings in the and coordinate decisions on the supply settings in the ETS and coordinate decisions on the supply settings in the ETS over and coordinate decisions on the supply settings in the ETS over a supply settings in the ETS over a rolling supply settings in the ETS over a rolling 5-year supply settings in the ETS over a rolling 5-year period. supply settings in the ETS over a rolling 5-year period. Why supply settings in the ETS over a rolling 5-year period. Why is supply settings in the ETS over a rolling 5-year period. Why is she rolling 5-year period. Why is she continuing rolling 5-year period. Why is she continuing to rolling 5-year period. Why is she continuing to ignore rolling 5-year period. Why is she continuing to ignore 49% rolling 5-year period. Why is she continuing to ignore 49% of continuing to ignore 49% of emissions continuing to ignore 49% of emissions and continuing to ignore 49% of emissions and the continuing to ignore 49% of emissions and the advise continuing to ignore 49% of emissions and the advise of continuing to ignore 49% of emissions and the advise of the continuing to ignore 49% of emissions and the advise of the OECD emissions and the advise of the OECD by emissions and the advise of the OECD by failing emissions and the advise of the OECD by failing to emissions and the advise of the OECD by failing to set emissions and the advise of the OECD by failing to set a emissions and the advise of the OECD by failing to set a date emissions and the advise of the OECD by failing to set a date for emissions and the advise of the OECD by failing to set a date for the by failing to set a date for the inclusion by failing to set a date for the inclusion of by failing to set a date for the inclusion of agriculture by failing to set a date for the inclusion of agriculture in by failing to set a date for the inclusion of agriculture in the by failing to set a date for the inclusion of agriculture in the ETS? inclusion of agriculture in the ETS? Mr inclusion of agriculture in the ETS? Mr Speaker, inclusion of agriculture in the ETS? Mr Speaker, because inclusion of agriculture in the ETS? Mr Speaker, because we inclusion of agriculture in the ETS? Mr Speaker, because we value inclusion of agriculture in the ETS? Mr Speaker, because we value the Mr Speaker, because we value the actual Mr Speaker, because we value the actual contribution Mr Speaker, because we value the actual contribution both actual contribution both economically actual contribution both actual actual contribution both economically and internationally economically and internationally that economically and internationally that our economically and internationally that our agricultural economically and internationally that our agricultural sets economically and internationally that our agricultural sets and economically and internationally that our agricultural sets and they that our agricultural sets and they are that our agricultural sets and they are trade that our agricultural sets and they are trade exposed, that our agricultural sets and they are trade exposed, they that our agricultural sets and they are trade exposed, they are that our agricultural sets and they are trade exposed, they are some that our agricultural sets and they are trade exposed, they are some of are trade exposed, they are some of the are trade exposed, they are some of the most are trade exposed, they are some of the most efficient are trade exposed, they are some of the most efficient farmers are trade exposed, they are some of the most efficient farmers in are trade exposed, they are some of the most efficient farmers in the the most efficient farmers in the world. the most efficient farmers in the world. 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Mr What reaction has there been to today's announcement. Mr Speaker, What reaction has there been to today's announcement. Mr Speaker, I today's announcement. Mr Speaker, I have today's announcement. Mr Speaker, I have got today's announcement. Mr Speaker, I have got to today's announcement. Mr Speaker, I have got to say today's announcement. Mr Speaker, I have got to say that today's announcement. Mr Speaker, I have got to say that businesses have got to say that businesses around have got to say that businesses today's have got to say that businesses around New Zealand have got to say that businesses around New Zealand are have got to say that businesses around New Zealand are very have got to say that businesses around New Zealand are very pleased around New Zealand are very pleased about around New Zealand are very pleased about this around New Zealand are very pleased about this announcement around New Zealand are very pleased about this announcement because around New Zealand are very pleased about this announcement because what about this announcement because what they about this announcement because what they have about this announcement because what they have been about this announcement because what they have been calling about this announcement because what they have been calling for about this announcement because what they have been calling for more about this announcement because what they have been calling for more than they have been calling for more than anything they have been calling for more than anything else they have been calling for more than anything else is they have been calling for more than anything else is certainty they have been calling for more than anything else is certainty and anything else is certainty and that's anything else is certainty and that's what anything else is certainty and that's what today's anything else is certainty and that's what today's measures anything else is certainty and that's what today's measures give that's what today's measures give them that's what today's measures give them and that's what today's measures give them and a that's what today's measures give them and a lot that's what today's measures give them and a lot of that's what today's measures give them and a lot of notice that's what today's measures give them and a lot of notice which that's what today's measures give them and a lot of notice which is them and a lot of notice which is really them and a lot of notice which is really important them and a lot of notice which is really important to them and a lot of notice which is really important to them. them and a lot of notice which is really important to them. 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Signalling these changes well in advance means these changes well in advance means that these changes well in advance means that they these changes well in advance means that they can these changes well in advance means that they can prepare these changes well in advance means that they can prepare for these changes well in advance means that they can prepare for them these changes well in advance means that they can prepare for them and that they can prepare for them and be that they can prepare for them and be part that they can prepare for them and be part of that they can prepare for them and be part of how that they can prepare for them and be part of how they that they can prepare for them and be part of how they are that they can prepare for them and be part of how they are implemented. be part of how they are implemented. Question be part of how they are implemented. Question No. be part of how they are implemented. Question No. 6. 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Can he confirm the contents of a requested confirm the contents of a requested presentation confirm the contents of a requested presentation by confirm the contents of a requested presentation by UBA confirm the contents of a requested presentation by UBA AG, confirm the contents of a requested presentation by UBA AG, a confirm the contents of a requested presentation by UBA AG, a Swiss presentation by UBA AG, a Swiss investment presentation by UBA AG, a Swiss investment bank presentation by UBA AG, a Swiss investment bank giant, presentation by UBA AG, a Swiss investment bank giant, which presentation by UBA AG, a Swiss investment bank giant, which details investment bank giant, which details options investment bank giant, which details options to investment bank giant, which details options to sell investment bank giant, which details options to sell our investment bank giant, which details options to sell our national investment bank giant, which details options to sell our national grid options to sell our national grid worth options to sell our national grid worth billions options to sell our national grid worth billions of options to sell our national grid worth billions of dollars? options to sell our national grid worth billions of dollars? This worth billions of dollars? This document worth billions of dollars? This document marked worth billions of dollars? This document marked 'confidential'? document marked 'confidential'? Well, document marked 'confidential'? Well, maybe document marked 'confidential'? Well, maybe the document marked 'confidential'? Well, maybe the member document marked 'confidential'? Well, maybe the member has document marked 'confidential'? Well, maybe the member has requested Well, maybe the member has requested it, Well, maybe the member has requested it, but Well, maybe the member has requested it, but certainly Well, maybe the member has requested it, but certainly I Well, maybe the member has requested it, but certainly I haven't. Well, maybe the member has requested it, but certainly I haven't. How Well, maybe the member has requested it, but certainly I haven't. How has it, but certainly I haven't. How has this it, but certainly I haven't. How has this Government it, but certainly I haven't. How has this Government been it, but certainly I haven't. How has this Government been transparent this Government been transparent when this Government been transparent when there this Government been transparent when there is this Government been transparent when there is clearly this Government been transparent when there is clearly a this Government been transparent when there is clearly a detailed when there is clearly a detailed business when there is clearly a detailed business case when there is clearly a detailed business case requested, when there is clearly a detailed business case requested, from when there is clearly a detailed business case requested, from UBS business case requested, from UBS AG, business case requested, from UBS AG, outlining business case requested, from UBS AG, outlining options business case requested, from UBS AG, outlining options on business case requested, from UBS AG, outlining options on the AG, outlining options on the potential AG, outlining options on the potential sale AG, outlining options on the potential sale of AG, outlining options on the potential sale of Transpower's potential sale of Transpower's national potential sale of Transpower's national grid potential sale of Transpower's national grid with potential sale of Transpower's national grid with no potential sale of Transpower's national grid with no advice potential sale of Transpower's national grid with no advice to potential sale of Transpower's national grid with no advice to the national grid with no advice to the New national grid with no advice to the New Zealand national grid with no advice to the New Zealand taxpayers national grid with no advice to the New Zealand taxpayers whatsoever? New Zealand taxpayers whatsoever? Well, New Zealand taxpayers whatsoever? Well, I New Zealand taxpayers whatsoever? Well, I invite New Zealand taxpayers whatsoever? Well, I invite the New Zealand taxpayers whatsoever? Well, I invite the member New Zealand taxpayers whatsoever? Well, I invite the member to New Zealand taxpayers whatsoever? 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No. advice, all to expedite this sale? No. Do advice, all to expedite this sale? No. Do the advice, all to expedite this sale? No. Do the ministers advice, all to expedite this sale? No. Do the ministers who advice, all to expedite this sale? No. Do the ministers who are advice, all to expedite this sale? No. Do the ministers who are in advice, all to expedite this sale? No. Do the ministers who are in the No. Do the ministers who are in the ownership No. Do the ministers who are in the ownership role No. Do the ministers who are in the ownership role for No. Do the ministers who are in the ownership role for the No. Do the ministers who are in the ownership role for the New No. Do the ministers who are in the ownership role for the New Zealand ownership role for the New Zealand taxpayer ownership role for the New Zealand taxpayer - ownership role for the New Zealand taxpayer - do ownership role for the New Zealand taxpayer - do they ownership role for the New Zealand taxpayer - do they not ownership role for the New Zealand taxpayer - do they not acknowledge taxpayer - do they not acknowledge that taxpayer - do they not acknowledge that his taxpayer - do they not acknowledge that his colleagues taxpayer - do they not acknowledge that his colleagues have taxpayer - do they not acknowledge that his colleagues have been that his colleagues have been planning that his colleagues have been planning the that his colleagues have been planning the sale that his colleagues have been planning the sale of that his colleagues have been planning the sale of further that his colleagues have been planning the sale of further state planning the sale of further state assets, planning the sale of further state assets, which planning the sale of further state assets, which is planning the sale of further state assets, which is why planning the sale of further state assets, which is why the planning the sale of further state assets, which is why the Government, assets, which is why the Government, ignoring assets, which is why the Government, ignoring Treasury's assets, which is why the Government, ignoring Treasury's advice, ignoring Treasury's advice, appointed ignoring Treasury's advice, appointed their ignoring Treasury's advice, appointed their old ignoring Treasury's advice, appointed their old mate ignoring Treasury's advice, appointed their old mate Tony ignoring Treasury's advice, appointed their old mate Tony Rile appointed their old mate Tony Rile to appointed their old mate Tony Rile to the appointed their old mate Tony Rile to the board appointed their old mate Tony Rile to the board so appointed their old mate Tony Rile to the board so he appointed their old mate Tony Rile to the board so he can appointed their old mate Tony Rile to the board so he can facilitate to the board so he can facilitate the to the board so he can facilitate the wholesale to the board so he can facilitate the wholesale operation to the board so he can facilitate the wholesale operation outlined to the board so he can facilitate the wholesale operation outlined in the wholesale operation outlined in this the wholesale operation outlined in this document? the wholesale operation outlined in this document? 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Is there any objection to it particular confidential document. Is there any objection to it being there any objection to it being tabled? there any objection to it being tabled? There there any objection to it being tabled? There is there any objection to it being tabled? There is not. there any objection to it being tabled? There is not. It there any objection to it being tabled? There is not. It can there any objection to it being tabled? There is not. It can be tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Question tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Question No. tabled? There is not. It can be tabled. Question No. 7. 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As employment, education and training in regional New Zealand. As part employment, education and training in regional New Zealand. As part of in regional New Zealand. As part of the in regional New Zealand. As part of the regional in regional New Zealand. As part of the regional growth in regional New Zealand. 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We want them to go on and get good, them to go on and get good, sustainable them to go on and get good, sustainable employment, them to go on and get good, sustainable employment, and them to go on and get good, sustainable employment, and we them to go on and get good, sustainable employment, and we want sustainable employment, and we want them sustainable employment, and we want them to sustainable employment, and we want them to live sustainable employment, and we want them to live good sustainable employment, and we want them to live good lives. sustainable employment, and we want them to live good lives. What sustainable employment, and we want them to live good lives. What we sustainable employment, and we want them to live good lives. What we are them to live good lives. What we are doing them to live good lives. What we are doing is them to live good lives. What we are doing is focusing them to live good lives. What we are doing is focusing on them to live good lives. What we are doing is focusing on these them to live good lives. What we are doing is focusing on these regions doing is focusing on these regions that doing is focusing on these regions that have doing is focusing on these regions that have the doing is focusing on these regions that have the highest doing is focusing on these regions that have the highest percentage doing is focusing on these regions that have the highest percentage of that have the highest percentage of these that have the highest percentage of these at-risk that have the highest percentage of these at-risk young that have the highest percentage of these at-risk young people. that have the highest percentage of these at-risk young people. Where that have the highest percentage of these at-risk young people. Where we these at-risk young people. Where we have these at-risk young people. Where we have structure these at-risk young people. Where we have structure already these at-risk young people. Where we have structure already in these at-risk young people. Where we have structure already in place have structure already in place through have structure already in place through our have structure already in place through our regional have structure already in place through our regional economic through our regional economic development through our regional economic development programme, through our regional economic development programme, working development programme, working alongside development programme, working alongside local development programme, working alongside local councils, development programme, working alongside local councils, working alongside local councils, working alongside alongside local councils, working alongside local alongside local councils, working alongside local iwi alongside local councils, working alongside local iwi and alongside local councils, working alongside local iwi and local alongside local iwi and local businesses. alongside local iwi and local businesses. If alongside local iwi and local businesses. If we alongside local iwi and local businesses. If we are alongside local iwi and local businesses. If we are successful businesses. If we are successful with businesses. If we are successful with these businesses. If we are successful with these young businesses. If we are successful with these young people, businesses. If we are successful with these young people, we businesses. If we are successful with these young people, we will with these young people, we will then with these young people, we will then look with these young people, we will then look at with these young people, we will then look at expanding with these young people, we will then look at expanding out with these young people, we will then look at expanding out the then look at expanding out the programme. then look at expanding out the programme. But then look at expanding out the programme. But because then look at expanding out the programme. But because it then look at expanding out the programme. But because it is then look at expanding out the programme. But because it is such programme. But because it is such intensive programme. But because it is such intensive work programme. But because it is such intensive work - programme. But because it is such intensive work - 50 programme. But because it is such intensive work - 50 million programme. But because it is such intensive work - 50 million for programme. But because it is such intensive work - 50 million for just intensive work - 50 million for just on intensive work - 50 million for just on 5,000 intensive work - 50 million for just on 5,000 young intensive work - 50 million for just on 5,000 young people intensive work - 50 million for just on 5,000 young people - intensive work - 50 million for just on 5,000 young people - this intensive work - 50 million for just on 5,000 young people - this is on 5,000 young people - this is long-term on 5,000 young people - this is long-term work, on 5,000 young people - this is long-term work, we on 5,000 young people - this is long-term work, we want on 5,000 young people - this is long-term work, we want to on 5,000 young people - this is long-term work, we want to be on 5,000 young people - this is long-term work, we want to be sure long-term work, we want to be sure that long-term work, we want to be sure that we've long-term work, we want to be sure that we've got long-term work, we want to be sure that we've got it long-term work, we want to be sure that we've got it right long-term work, we want to be sure that we've got it right before long-term work, we want to be sure that we've got it right before we that we've got it right before we expand that we've got it right before we expand it that we've got it right before we expand it out. that we've got it right before we expand it out. Point that we've got it right before we expand it out. Point of that we've got it right before we expand it out. Point of order, that we've got it right before we expand it out. Point of order, Iain expand it out. Point of order, Iain Lees-Galloway. expand it out. Point of order, Iain Lees-Galloway. I expand it out. Point of order, Iain Lees-Galloway. I seek expand it out. Point of order, Iain Lees-Galloway. I seek leave expand it out. Point of order, Iain Lees-Galloway. I seek leave to expand it out. Point of order, Iain Lees-Galloway. I seek leave to table Lees-Galloway. I seek leave to table a Lees-Galloway. I seek leave to table a transcript Lees-Galloway. I seek leave to table a transcript of Lees-Galloway. I seek leave to table a transcript of a Lees-Galloway. I seek leave to table a transcript of a speech Lees-Galloway. I seek leave to table a transcript of a speech made Lees-Galloway. 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And now I identify another member who knows who he is, and if member who knows who he is, and if he member who knows who he is, and if he continues member who knows who he is, and if he continues to member who knows who he is, and if he continues to interject member who knows who he is, and if he continues to interject and member who knows who he is, and if he continues to interject and behave he continues to interject and behave like he continues to interject and behave like that, he continues to interject and behave like that, he'll he continues to interject and behave like that, he'll be he continues to interject and behave like that, he'll be leaving he continues to interject and behave like that, he'll be leaving very like that, he'll be leaving very shortly. like that, he'll be leaving very shortly. Question like that, he'll be leaving very shortly. Question No. like that, he'll be leaving very shortly. Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Maori My question is to the Minister for Maori Development: My question is to the Minister for Maori Development: Does My question is to the Minister for Maori Development: Does he My question is to the Minister for Maori Development: Does he stand for Maori Development: Does he stand by for Maori Development: Does he stand by all for Maori Development: Does he stand by all his for Maori Development: Does he stand by all his statements? Tena Tena koe, Tena koe, Mr Tena koe, Mr Speaker. Tena koe, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS Tena koe, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE Tena koe, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE REO Tena koe, Mr Speaker. <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Does <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Does he <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Does he stand <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Does he stand by <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Does he stand by his <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Does he stand by his statement <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Does he stand by his statement on Does he stand by his statement on the Does he stand by his statement on the marae Does he stand by his statement on the marae programme, Does he stand by his statement on the marae programme, a Does he stand by his statement on the marae programme, a week Does he stand by his statement on the marae programme, a week or Does he stand by his statement on the marae programme, a week or so the marae programme, a week or so ago, the marae programme, a week or so ago, that the marae programme, a week or so ago, that he the marae programme, a week or so ago, that he has the marae programme, a week or so ago, that he has got, the marae programme, a week or so ago, that he has got, "Got the marae programme, a week or so ago, that he has got, "Got no the marae programme, a week or so ago, that he has got, "Got no idea", ago, that he has got, "Got no idea", how ago, that he has got, "Got no idea", how homelessness ago, that he has got, "Got no idea", how homelessness got ago, that he has got, "Got no idea", how homelessness got so ago, that he has got, "Got no idea", how homelessness got so bad ago, that he has got, "Got no idea", how homelessness got so bad in how homelessness got so bad in Waiariki, how homelessness got so bad in Waiariki, despite how homelessness got so bad in Waiariki, despite being how homelessness got so bad in Waiariki, despite being the how homelessness got so bad in Waiariki, despite being the MP how homelessness got so bad in Waiariki, despite being the MP since Waiariki, despite being the MP since 2005 Waiariki, despite being the MP since 2005 and Waiariki, despite being the MP since 2005 and a Waiariki, despite being the MP since 2005 and a member Waiariki, despite being the MP since 2005 and a member of Waiariki, despite being the MP since 2005 and a member of the Waiariki, despite being the MP since 2005 and a member of the Government 2005 and a member of the Government since 2005 and a member of the Government since 2008? 2005 and a member of the Government since 2008? Mr 2005 and a member of the Government since 2008? Mr Speaker... since 2008? Mr Speaker... <SPEAKS since 2008? Mr Speaker... <SPEAKS TE since 2008? Mr Speaker... <SPEAKS TE REO since 2008? Mr Speaker... <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> <SPEAKS <SPEAKS TE <SPEAKS TE REO <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> In In light In light of In light of that In light of that terrible In light of that terrible answer... In light of that terrible answer... Order! In light of that terrible answer... Order! If In light of that terrible answer... Order! If the In light of that terrible answer... Order! If the member In light of that terrible answer... Order! If the member does In light of that terrible answer... Order! If the member does that Order! If the member does that again, Order! If the member does that again, he Order! If the member does that again, he won't Order! If the member does that again, he won't be Order! If the member does that again, he won't be having Order! If the member does that again, he won't be having any Order! If the member does that again, he won't be having any chance again, he won't be having any chance to again, he won't be having any chance to ask again, he won't be having any chance to ask further again, he won't be having any chance to ask further supplementaries. to ask further supplementaries. Supplementary to ask further supplementaries. Supplementary question, to ask further supplementaries. Supplementary question, Kelvin Supplementary question, Kelvin Davis. Supplementary question, Kelvin Davis. Does Supplementary question, Kelvin Davis. Does he Supplementary question, Kelvin Davis. Does he regret Supplementary question, Kelvin Davis. Does he regret supporting Supplementary question, Kelvin Davis. Does he regret supporting the Davis. Does he regret supporting the sell-off Davis. Does he regret supporting the sell-off of Davis. Does he regret supporting the sell-off of state Davis. Does he regret supporting the sell-off of state houses, Davis. Does he regret supporting the sell-off of state houses, given Davis. 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Winston Peters stop hiding behind the Maori language... behind the Maori language... <SPEAKS behind the Maori language... <SPEAKS TE behind the Maori language... <SPEAKS TE REO behind the Maori language... <SPEAKS TE REO MAORI> Order! Order! I Order! I didn't Order! I didn't hear Order! I didn't hear the Order! I didn't hear the interjection, Order! I didn't hear the interjection, but Order! I didn't hear the interjection, but if Order! I didn't hear the interjection, but if the Order! I didn't hear the interjection, but if the member, Order! 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First of all, before I take the point of order, I require the the point of order, I require the member the point of order, I require the member to the point of order, I require the member to stand, the point of order, I require the member to stand, withdraw the point of order, I require the member to stand, withdraw and member to stand, withdraw and apologise. member to stand, withdraw and apologise. I member to stand, withdraw and apologise. I withdraw member to stand, withdraw and apologise. I withdraw and member to stand, withdraw and apologise. I withdraw and apologise. apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Point apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Point of apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Point of order. apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Point of order. Point apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Point of order. Point of apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Point of order. Point of order. apologise. I withdraw and apologise. Point of order. Point of order. 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The Government has invested early screening rounds. The Government has invested $77.8 Government has invested $77.8 million Government has invested $77.8 million into Government has invested $77.8 million into the Government has invested $77.8 million into the progressive Government has invested $77.8 million into the progressive rollout million into the progressive rollout to million into the progressive rollout to date million into the progressive rollout to date with million into the progressive rollout to date with a million into the progressive rollout to date with a further million into the progressive rollout to date with a further $19 million into the progressive rollout to date with a further $19 million to date with a further $19 million invested to date with a further $19 million invested into to date with a further $19 million invested into delivering to date with a further $19 million invested into delivering more invested into delivering more colonoscopies invested into delivering more colonoscopies faster. invested into delivering more colonoscopies faster. 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Well, it never in fact got to a political level and that was to a political level and that was simply to a political level and that was simply because to a political level and that was simply because it to a political level and that was simply because it was to a political level and that was simply because it was a to a political level and that was simply because it was a draft, to a political level and that was simply because it was a draft, it simply because it was a draft, it wasn't simply because it was a draft, it wasn't fully simply because it was a draft, it wasn't fully prepared simply because it was a draft, it wasn't fully prepared and simply because it was a draft, it wasn't fully prepared and hadn't wasn't fully prepared and hadn't been wasn't fully prepared and hadn't been consulted wasn't fully prepared and hadn't been consulted on wasn't fully prepared and hadn't been consulted on amongst wasn't fully prepared and hadn't been consulted on amongst the been consulted on amongst the agencies been consulted on amongst the agencies it been consulted on amongst the agencies it should been consulted on amongst the agencies it should have been consulted on amongst the agencies it should have been, been consulted on amongst the agencies it should have been, and agencies it should have been, and I'd agencies it should have been, and I'd note agencies it should have been, and I'd note that agencies it should have been, and I'd note that there's agencies it should have been, and I'd note that there's an agencies it should have been, and I'd note that there's an irony, agencies it should have been, and I'd note that there's an irony, I I'd note that there's an irony, I suppose, I'd note that there's an irony, I suppose, in I'd note that there's an irony, I suppose, in that I'd note that there's an irony, I suppose, in that this I'd note that there's an irony, I suppose, in that this member I'd note that there's an irony, I suppose, in that this member insists suppose, in that this member insists on suppose, in that this member insists on BCRs suppose, in that this member insists on BCRs and suppose, in that this member insists on BCRs and good suppose, in that this member insists on BCRs and good economics suppose, in that this member insists on BCRs and good economics and on BCRs and good economics and strong on BCRs and good economics and strong process on BCRs and good economics and strong process on on BCRs and good economics and strong process on projects on BCRs and good economics and strong process on projects that on BCRs and good economics and strong process on projects that suit strong process on projects that suit her strong process on projects that suit her ends, strong process on projects that suit her ends, but strong process on projects that suit her ends, but not strong process on projects that suit her ends, but not all strong process on projects that suit her ends, but not all projects. strong process on projects that suit her ends, but not all projects. Will her ends, but not all projects. Will he her ends, but not all projects. Will he commit her ends, but not all projects. Will he commit to her ends, but not all projects. Will he commit to building her ends, but not all projects. Will he commit to building this her ends, but not all projects. Will he commit to building this new her ends, but not all projects. Will he commit to building this new rail he commit to building this new rail line he commit to building this new rail line before he commit to building this new rail line before the he commit to building this new rail line before the city he commit to building this new rail line before the city rail he commit to building this new rail line before the city rail link he commit to building this new rail line before the city rail link is line before the city rail link is complete, line before the city rail link is complete, given line before the city rail link is complete, given the line before the city rail link is complete, given the business line before the city rail link is complete, given the business case complete, given the business case states complete, given the business case states that, complete, given the business case states that, without complete, given the business case states that, without it, complete, given the business case states that, without it, "The states that, without it, "The benefits states that, without it, "The benefits of states that, without it, "The benefits of Auckland states that, without it, "The benefits of Auckland city states that, without it, "The benefits of Auckland city rail states that, without it, "The benefits of Auckland city rail link benefits of Auckland city rail link will benefits of Auckland city rail link will be benefits of Auckland city rail link will be constrained, benefits of Auckland city rail link will be constrained, as benefits of Auckland city rail link will be constrained, as there benefits of Auckland city rail link will be constrained, as there will will be constrained, as there will be will be constrained, as there will be no will be constrained, as there will be no capacity will be constrained, as there will be no capacity to will be constrained, as there will be no capacity to introduce will be constrained, as there will be no capacity to introduce more be no capacity to introduce more trains be no capacity to introduce more trains to be no capacity to introduce more trains to the be no capacity to introduce more trains to the line"? be no capacity to introduce more trains to the line"? Well, be no capacity to introduce more trains to the line"? Well, as be no capacity to introduce more trains to the line"? Well, as I be no capacity to introduce more trains to the line"? Well, as I say, trains to the line"? Well, as I say, it's trains to the line"? Well, as I say, it's a trains to the line"? Well, as I say, it's a project trains to the line"? Well, as I say, it's a project of trains to the line"? Well, as I say, it's a project of real trains to the line"? Well, as I say, it's a project of real merit, trains to the line"? 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What the member insists on for roading projects. What I the member insists on for roading projects. What I would the member insists on for roading projects. What I would say the member insists on for roading projects. What I would say to the member insists on for roading projects. What I would say to the projects. What I would say to the member, projects. What I would say to the member, though, projects. What I would say to the member, though, is projects. What I would say to the member, though, is that projects. What I would say to the member, though, is that it's projects. What I would say to the member, though, is that it's in projects. What I would say to the member, though, is that it's in the member, though, is that it's in the ATAP member, though, is that it's in the ATAP - member, though, is that it's in the ATAP - the member, though, is that it's in the ATAP - the Auckland member, though, is that it's in the ATAP - the Auckland Transport ATAP - the Auckland Transport Alignment ATAP - the Auckland Transport Alignment Project, ATAP - the Auckland Transport Alignment Project, first ATAP - the Auckland Transport Alignment Project, first decade, ATAP - the Auckland Transport Alignment Project, first decade, and Alignment Project, first decade, and that Alignment Project, first decade, and that should, Alignment Project, first decade, and that should, I Alignment Project, first decade, and that should, I think, Alignment Project, first decade, and that should, I think, give Alignment Project, first decade, and that should, I think, give her Alignment Project, first decade, and that should, I think, give her some that should, I think, give her some confidence that should, I think, give her some confidence about that should, I think, give her some confidence about this that should, I think, give her some confidence about this project. that should, I think, give her some confidence about this project. Given confidence about this project. Given that confidence about this project. Given that rail confidence about this project. Given that rail patronage confidence about this project. Given that rail patronage is confidence about this project. Given that rail patronage is growing confidence about this project. Given that rail patronage is growing at confidence about this project. Given that rail patronage is growing at a that rail patronage is growing at a much that rail patronage is growing at a much faster that rail patronage is growing at a much faster rate that rail patronage is growing at a much faster rate than that rail patronage is growing at a much faster rate than his that rail patronage is growing at a much faster rate than his Government much faster rate than his Government ever much faster rate than his Government ever anticipated, much faster rate than his Government ever anticipated, does much faster rate than his Government ever anticipated, does he much faster rate than his Government ever anticipated, does he not much faster rate than his Government ever anticipated, does he not think ever anticipated, does he not think that ever anticipated, does he not think that perhaps ever anticipated, does he not think that perhaps this ever anticipated, does he not think that perhaps this project ever anticipated, does he not think that perhaps this project sooner that perhaps this project sooner rather that perhaps this project sooner rather than that perhaps this project sooner rather than later, that perhaps this project sooner rather than later, because that perhaps this project sooner rather than later, because it that perhaps this project sooner rather than later, because it will rather than later, because it will enable rather than later, because it will enable more rather than later, because it will enable more people rather than later, because it will enable more people and rather than later, because it will enable more people and more rather than later, because it will enable more people and more freight enable more people and more freight to enable more people and more freight to move enable more people and more freight to move around enable more people and more freight to move around Auckland? enable more people and more freight to move around Auckland? I enable more people and more freight to move around Auckland? I note enable more people and more freight to move around Auckland? I note that to move around Auckland? I note that that to move around Auckland? I note that that patronage to move around Auckland? I note that that patronage is to move around Auckland? I note that that patronage is growing to move around Auckland? I note that that patronage is growing in to move around Auckland? I note that that patronage is growing in part that patronage is growing in part because that patronage is growing in part because of that patronage is growing in part because of this that patronage is growing in part because of this Government that patronage is growing in part because of this Government - that patronage is growing in part because of this Government - because because of this Government - because we've because of this Government - because we've invested because of this Government - because we've invested so because of this Government - because we've invested so strongly because of this Government - because we've invested so strongly in because of this Government - because we've invested so strongly in the we've invested so strongly in the elect we've invested so strongly in the elect trickification we've invested so strongly in the elect trickification of we've invested so strongly in the elect trickification of rail we've invested so strongly in the elect trickification of rail and we've invested so strongly in the elect trickification of rail and it elect trickification of rail and it is elect trickification of rail and it is on elect trickification of rail and it is on that elect trickification of rail and it is on that basis elect trickification of rail and it is on that basis that elect trickification of rail and it is on that basis that we elect trickification of rail and it is on that basis that we are is on that basis that we are continuing is on that basis that we are continuing to is on that basis that we are continuing to invest is on that basis that we are continuing to invest more is on that basis that we are continuing to invest more than is on that basis that we are continuing to invest more than any continuing to invest more than any or continuing to invest more than any or government continuing to invest more than any or government in continuing to invest more than any or government in rail. continuing to invest more than any or government in rail. I continuing to invest more than any or government in rail. I know continuing to invest more than any or government in rail. I know the or government in rail. I know the truth or government in rail. I know the truth hurts, or government in rail. I know the truth hurts, but or government in rail. I know the truth hurts, but those or government in rail. I know the truth hurts, but those are or government in rail. I know the truth hurts, but those are the truth hurts, but those are the facts. truth hurts, but those are the facts. Question truth hurts, but those are the facts. Question No. truth hurts, but those are the facts. Question No. 11. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: My question is to the Minister of Health: Does My question is to the Minister of Health: Does he My question is to the Minister of Health: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his Health: Does he stand by his statement Health: Does he stand by his statement in Health: Does he stand by his statement in regards Health: Does he stand by his statement in regards to Health: Does he stand by his statement in regards to elective statement in regards to elective surgeries, statement in regards to elective surgeries, "we've statement in regards to elective surgeries, "we've been statement in regards to elective surgeries, "we've been very surgeries, "we've been very transparent surgeries, "we've been very transparent around surgeries, "we've been very transparent around the surgeries, "we've been very transparent around the targets surgeries, "we've been very transparent around the targets we transparent around the targets we are transparent around the targets we are hitting transparent around the targets we are hitting those transparent around the targets we are hitting those targets"? Absolutely, Absolutely, especially Absolutely, especially the Absolutely, especially the statement Absolutely, especially the statement that Absolutely, especially the statement that elective Absolutely, especially the statement that elective surgeries Absolutely, especially the statement that elective surgeries have Absolutely, especially the statement that elective surgeries have risen that elective surgeries have risen by that elective surgeries have risen by around that elective surgeries have risen by around 50,000 that elective surgeries have risen by around 50,000 under that elective surgeries have risen by around 50,000 under National, by around 50,000 under National, compared by around 50,000 under National, compared to by around 50,000 under National, compared to only by around 50,000 under National, compared to only 10,000 by around 50,000 under National, compared to only 10,000 under compared to only 10,000 under Labour. compared to only 10,000 under Labour. Can compared to only 10,000 under Labour. Can he compared to only 10,000 under Labour. Can he confirm compared to only 10,000 under Labour. Can he confirm that compared to only 10,000 under Labour. Can he confirm that when compared to only 10,000 under Labour. Can he confirm that when you Labour. Can he confirm that when you take Labour. Can he confirm that when you take out Labour. Can he confirm that when you take out eye Labour. Can he confirm that when you take out eye injections, Labour. Can he confirm that when you take out eye injections, skin Labour. Can he confirm that when you take out eye injections, skin lesion take out eye injections, skin lesion removals take out eye injections, skin lesion removals and take out eye injections, skin lesion removals and other take out eye injections, skin lesion removals and other surgeries take out eye injections, skin lesion removals and other surgeries that removals and other surgeries that could removals and other surgeries that could have removals and other surgeries that could have been removals and other surgeries that could have been performed removals and other surgeries that could have been performed outside could have been performed outside hospitals, could have been performed outside hospitals, that could have been performed outside hospitals, that the could have been performed outside hospitals, that the Auckland could have been performed outside hospitals, that the Auckland DHB, hospitals, that the Auckland DHB, and hospitals, that the Auckland DHB, and the hospitals, that the Auckland DHB, and the county's hospitals, that the Auckland DHB, and the county's Manukauu hospitals, that the Auckland DHB, and the county's Manukauu DHB hospitals, that the Auckland DHB, and the county's Manukauu DHB in and the county's Manukauu DHB in 2015, and the county's Manukauu DHB in 2015, despite and the county's Manukauu DHB in 2015, despite a and the county's Manukauu DHB in 2015, despite a growing and the county's Manukauu DHB in 2015, despite a growing population, 2015, despite a growing population, performed 2015, despite a growing population, performed fewer 2015, despite a growing population, performed fewer surgeries 2015, despite a growing population, performed fewer surgeries than performed fewer surgeries than compared performed fewer surgeries than compared to performed fewer surgeries than compared to the performed fewer surgeries than compared to the previous performed fewer surgeries than compared to the previous year? performed fewer surgeries than compared to the previous year? I compared to the previous year? I wouldn't compared to the previous year? I wouldn't underrate compared to the previous year? I wouldn't underrate those compared to the previous year? 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But what I can confirm is that, even if you were to take is that, even if you were to take out is that, even if you were to take out the is that, even if you were to take out the 20,000-odd is that, even if you were to take out the 20,000-odd eye is that, even if you were to take out the 20,000-odd eye injections out the 20,000-odd eye injections and out the 20,000-odd eye injections and skin out the 20,000-odd eye injections and skin lesions out the 20,000-odd eye injections and skin lesions from out the 20,000-odd eye injections and skin lesions from the out the 20,000-odd eye injections and skin lesions from the total, and skin lesions from the total, which and skin lesions from the total, which it and skin lesions from the total, which it wouldn't and skin lesions from the total, which it wouldn't be and skin lesions from the total, which it wouldn't be valid and skin lesions from the total, which it wouldn't be valid to and skin lesions from the total, which it wouldn't be valid to do which it wouldn't be valid to do that, which it wouldn't be valid to do that, we'd which it wouldn't be valid to do that, we'd still which it wouldn't be valid to do that, we'd still be which it wouldn't be valid to do that, we'd still be doing which it wouldn't be valid to do that, we'd still be doing a which it wouldn't be valid to do that, we'd still be doing a 20,000 that, we'd still be doing a 20,000 increase that, we'd still be doing a 20,000 increase on that, we'd still be doing a 20,000 increase on what that, we'd still be doing a 20,000 increase on what Labour that, we'd still be doing a 20,000 increase on what Labour did. that, we'd still be doing a 20,000 increase on what Labour did. 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Can he confirm that when you take out eye confirm that when you take out eye injections, confirm that when you take out eye injections, skin confirm that when you take out eye injections, skin lesion confirm that when you take out eye injections, skin lesion removals confirm that when you take out eye injections, skin lesion removals and injections, skin lesion removals and other injections, skin lesion removals and other surgeries injections, skin lesion removals and other surgeries that injections, skin lesion removals and other surgeries that could injections, skin lesion removals and other surgeries that could have injections, skin lesion removals and other surgeries that could have been other surgeries that could have been performed other surgeries that could have been performed outside other surgeries that could have been performed outside of other surgeries that could have been performed outside of hospitals, other surgeries that could have been performed outside of hospitals, that performed outside of hospitals, that the performed outside of hospitals, that the Bay performed outside of hospitals, that the Bay of performed outside of hospitals, that the Bay of Plenty performed outside of hospitals, that the Bay of Plenty DHB performed outside of hospitals, that the Bay of Plenty DHB and performed outside of hospitals, that the Bay of Plenty DHB and the the Bay of Plenty DHB and the Waikato the Bay of Plenty DHB and the Waikato DHB the Bay of Plenty DHB and the Waikato DHB performed the Bay of Plenty DHB and the Waikato DHB performed fewer Waikato DHB performed fewer surgeries Waikato DHB performed fewer surgeries compared Waikato DHB performed fewer surgeries compared to Waikato DHB performed fewer surgeries compared to the Waikato DHB performed fewer surgeries compared to the previous surgeries compared to the previous year? surgeries compared to the previous year? 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But he wants to ask these questions. But what he wants to ask these questions. But what I he wants to ask these questions. But what I can he wants to ask these questions. But what I can confirm, he wants to ask these questions. But what I can confirm, if he wants to ask these questions. But what I can confirm, if you he wants to ask these questions. But what I can confirm, if you took he wants to ask these questions. But what I can confirm, if you took out what I can confirm, if you took out every what I can confirm, if you took out every type what I can confirm, if you took out every type of what I can confirm, if you took out every type of important what I can confirm, if you took out every type of important surgery what I can confirm, if you took out every type of important surgery that every type of important surgery that we'd every type of important surgery that we'd done, every type of important surgery that we'd done, we every type of important surgery that we'd done, we wouldn't every type of important surgery that we'd done, we wouldn't have every type of important surgery that we'd done, we wouldn't have done we'd done, we wouldn't have done any. we'd done, we wouldn't have done any. Does we'd done, we wouldn't have done any. Does he we'd done, we wouldn't have done any. Does he think we'd done, we wouldn't have done any. Does he think that we'd done, we wouldn't have done any. Does he think that DHBs we'd done, we wouldn't have done any. Does he think that DHBs who we'd done, we wouldn't have done any. Does he think that DHBs who are any. Does he think that DHBs who are paying any. Does he think that DHBs who are paying for any. Does he think that DHBs who are paying for half any. Does he think that DHBs who are paying for half of any. Does he think that DHBs who are paying for half of the any. Does he think that DHBs who are paying for half of the Government's paying for half of the Government's targets paying for half of the Government's targets out paying for half of the Government's targets out of paying for half of the Government's targets out of their paying for half of the Government's targets out of their own paying for half of the Government's targets out of their own Budgets paying for half of the Government's targets out of their own Budgets are targets out of their own Budgets are incentivised targets out of their own Budgets are incentivised to targets out of their own Budgets are incentivised to focus targets out of their own Budgets are incentivised to focus on targets out of their own Budgets are incentivised to focus on eye incentivised to focus on eye injections incentivised to focus on eye injections to incentivised to focus on eye injections to meet incentivised to focus on eye injections to meet targets, incentivised to focus on eye injections to meet targets, instead injections to meet targets, instead of injections to meet targets, instead of funding injections to meet targets, instead of funding additional injections to meet targets, instead of funding additional hospital injections to meet targets, instead of funding additional hospital beds of funding additional hospital beds like of funding additional hospital beds like in of funding additional hospital beds like in Dunedin of funding additional hospital beds like in Dunedin Hospital? of funding additional hospital beds like in Dunedin Hospital? The of funding additional hospital beds like in Dunedin Hospital? The member like in Dunedin Hospital? The member needs like in Dunedin Hospital? The member needs to like in Dunedin Hospital? The member needs to understand, like in Dunedin Hospital? The member needs to understand, this like in Dunedin Hospital? The member needs to understand, this is like in Dunedin Hospital? The member needs to understand, this is all needs to understand, this is all public needs to understand, this is all public money needs to understand, this is all public money and, needs to understand, this is all public money and, of needs to understand, this is all public money and, of course, needs to understand, this is all public money and, of course, there public money and, of course, there is public money and, of course, there is another public money and, of course, there is another $888 public money and, of course, there is another $888 million public money and, of course, there is another $888 million of public money and, of course, there is another $888 million of money is another $888 million of money that is another $888 million of money that went is another $888 million of money that went from is another $888 million of money that went from the is another $888 million of money that went from the public is another $888 million of money that went from the public to is another $888 million of money that went from the public to fund that went from the public to fund the that went from the public to fund the health that went from the public to fund the health service that went from the public to fund the health service last that went from the public to fund the health service last year. that went from the public to fund the health service last year. What that went from the public to fund the health service last year. What I the health service last year. What I can the health service last year. What I can say the health service last year. What I can say is the health service last year. What I can say is the the health service last year. What I can say is the numbers the health service last year. What I can say is the numbers of the health service last year. 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So last targets, the 4,000 uplift, that we have set over time. So last year targets, the 4,000 uplift, that we have set over time. So last year we have set over time. So last year we planned have set over time. So last year we planned to have set over time. So last year we planned to deliver have set over time. So last year we planned to deliver 186,000 have set over time. So last year we planned to deliver 186,000 surgeries planned to deliver 186,000 surgeries - planned to deliver 186,000 surgeries - we planned to deliver 186,000 surgeries - we actually planned to deliver 186,000 surgeries - we actually delivered planned to deliver 186,000 surgeries - we actually delivered 200,000. - we actually delivered 200,000. Unlike - we actually delivered 200,000. Unlike the - we actually delivered 200,000. Unlike the year - we actually delivered 200,000. Unlike the year when - we actually delivered 200,000. Unlike the year when Mrs - we actually delivered 200,000. Unlike the year when Mrs King - we actually delivered 200,000. Unlike the year when Mrs King was - we actually delivered 200,000. Unlike the year when Mrs King was - Unlike the year when Mrs King was - I Unlike the year when Mrs King was - I hate Unlike the year when Mrs King was - I hate to Unlike the year when Mrs King was - I hate to criticise Unlike the year when Mrs King was - I hate to criticise her, Unlike the year when Mrs King was - I hate to criticise her, because Unlike the year when Mrs King was - I hate to criticise her, because she I hate to criticise her, because she was I hate to criticise her, because she was a I hate to criticise her, because she was a very I hate to criticise her, because she was a very good I hate to criticise her, because she was a very good opposition was a very good opposition spokesperson, was a very good opposition spokesperson, but was a very good opposition spokesperson, but when was a very good opposition spokesperson, but when she was a very good opposition spokesperson, but when she delivered spokesperson, but when she delivered 2,000 spokesperson, but when she delivered 2,000 fewer spokesperson, but when she delivered 2,000 fewer surgeries. spokesperson, but when she delivered 2,000 fewer surgeries. When spokesperson, but when she delivered 2,000 fewer surgeries. When urgent 2,000 fewer surgeries. When urgent action 2,000 fewer surgeries. When urgent action is 2,000 fewer surgeries. When urgent action is he 2,000 fewer surgeries. When urgent action is he taking 2,000 fewer surgeries. When urgent action is he taking to 2,000 fewer surgeries. When urgent action is he taking to ensure 2,000 fewer surgeries. When urgent action is he taking to ensure there action is he taking to ensure there are action is he taking to ensure there are additional action is he taking to ensure there are additional beds action is he taking to ensure there are additional beds right action is he taking to ensure there are additional beds right now action is he taking to ensure there are additional beds right now in are additional beds right now in Dunedin are additional beds right now in Dunedin Hospital are additional beds right now in Dunedin Hospital for are additional beds right now in Dunedin Hospital for surgery, are additional beds right now in Dunedin Hospital for surgery, so Dunedin Hospital for surgery, so that Dunedin Hospital for surgery, so that patients Dunedin Hospital for surgery, so that patients don't Dunedin Hospital for surgery, so that patients don't keep Dunedin Hospital for surgery, so that patients don't keep having that patients don't keep having vital that patients don't keep having vital operations that patients don't keep having vital operations cancelled, that patients don't keep having vital operations cancelled, like vital operations cancelled, like Amber vital operations cancelled, like Amber Gibbs, vital operations cancelled, like Amber Gibbs, Ellen vital operations cancelled, like Amber Gibbs, Ellen Sutton, vital operations cancelled, like Amber Gibbs, Ellen Sutton, cancelled Amber Gibbs, Ellen Sutton, cancelled three Amber Gibbs, Ellen Sutton, cancelled three times, Amber Gibbs, Ellen Sutton, cancelled three times, and Amber Gibbs, Ellen Sutton, cancelled three times, and Owen Amber Gibbs, Ellen Sutton, cancelled three times, and Owen Glover Amber Gibbs, Ellen Sutton, cancelled three times, and Owen Glover who three times, and Owen Glover who didn't three times, and Owen Glover who didn't make three times, and Owen Glover who didn't make it three times, and Owen Glover who didn't make it to three times, and Owen Glover who didn't make it to surgery three times, and Owen Glover who didn't make it to surgery and three times, and Owen Glover who didn't make it to surgery and passed didn't make it to surgery and passed away didn't make it to surgery and passed away at didn't make it to surgery and passed away at his didn't make it to surgery and passed away at his home didn't make it to surgery and passed away at his home after didn't make it to surgery and passed away at his home after four away at his home after four postponed away at his home after four postponed appointments? away at his home after four postponed appointments? 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What's going wrong is your spokesperson. Does What's going wrong is your spokesperson. Does the What's going wrong is your spokesperson. Does the minister spokesperson. Does the minister think spokesperson. Does the minister think it's spokesperson. Does the minister think it's acceptable spokesperson. Does the minister think it's acceptable that spokesperson. Does the minister think it's acceptable that at spokesperson. Does the minister think it's acceptable that at one think it's acceptable that at one point think it's acceptable that at one point yesterday think it's acceptable that at one point yesterday afternoon think it's acceptable that at one point yesterday afternoon there think it's acceptable that at one point yesterday afternoon there was point yesterday afternoon there was not point yesterday afternoon there was not a point yesterday afternoon there was not a single point yesterday afternoon there was not a single ICU point yesterday afternoon there was not a single ICU bed point yesterday afternoon there was not a single ICU bed available point yesterday afternoon there was not a single ICU bed available in not a single ICU bed available in the not a single ICU bed available in the whole not a single ICU bed available in the whole of not a single ICU bed available in the whole of the not a single ICU bed available in the whole of the South not a single ICU bed available in the whole of the South Island? not a single ICU bed available in the whole of the South Island? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Building My question is to the Minister for Building and My question is to the Minister for Building and Construction: My question is to the Minister for Building and Construction: How for Building and Construction: How many for Building and Construction: How many additional for Building and Construction: How many additional homes many additional homes will many additional homes will be many additional homes will be brought many additional homes will be brought forward, will be brought forward, and will be brought forward, and in will be brought forward, and in what will be brought forward, and in what areas, will be brought forward, and in what areas, as will be brought forward, and in what areas, as a will be brought forward, and in what areas, as a consequence and in what areas, as a consequence of and in what areas, as a consequence of the and in what areas, as a consequence of the Government's and in what areas, as a consequence of the Government's support of the Government's support for of the Government's support for councils of the Government's support for councils through of the Government's support for councils through the of the Government's support for councils through the $1 of the Government's support for councils through the $1 billion for councils through the $1 billion Housing for councils through the $1 billion Housing Infrastructure for councils through the $1 billion Housing Infrastructure Fund? The The funding The funding will The funding will be The funding will be used The funding will be used to The funding will be used to provide The funding will be used to provide infrastructure The funding will be used to provide infrastructure for The funding will be used to provide infrastructure for 60,000 The funding will be used to provide infrastructure for 60,000 homes infrastructure for 60,000 homes across infrastructure for 60,000 homes across nine infrastructure for 60,000 homes across nine projects infrastructure for 60,000 homes across nine projects in infrastructure for 60,000 homes across nine projects in five across nine projects in five fast-growing across nine projects in five fast-growing urban across nine projects in five fast-growing urban areas. across nine projects in five fast-growing urban areas. Auckland fast-growing urban areas. Auckland will fast-growing urban areas. Auckland will receive fast-growing urban areas. Auckland will receive $300 fast-growing urban areas. Auckland will receive $300 million fast-growing urban areas. Auckland will receive $300 million to fast-growing urban areas. Auckland will receive $300 million to provide will receive $300 million to provide infrastructure will receive $300 million to provide infrastructure for will receive $300 million to provide infrastructure for an will receive $300 million to provide infrastructure for an additional infrastructure for an additional 10,500 infrastructure for an additional 10,500 homes. infrastructure for an additional 10,500 homes. Hamilton infrastructure for an additional 10,500 homes. Hamilton will infrastructure for an additional 10,500 homes. Hamilton will receive 10,500 homes. Hamilton will receive 272 10,500 homes. Hamilton will receive 272 million 10,500 homes. Hamilton will receive 272 million for 10,500 homes. Hamilton will receive 272 million for an 10,500 homes. Hamilton will receive 272 million for an additional 10,500 homes. Hamilton will receive 272 million for an additional 8,100 272 million for an additional 8,100 homes. 272 million for an additional 8,100 homes. Waikato 272 million for an additional 8,100 homes. Waikato will 272 million for an additional 8,100 homes. Waikato will receive 272 million for an additional 8,100 homes. Waikato will receive $37 homes. Waikato will receive $37 million homes. Waikato will receive $37 million for homes. Waikato will receive $37 million for 2,600 homes. Waikato will receive $37 million for 2,600 homes. homes. Waikato will receive $37 million for 2,600 homes. Queenstown million for 2,600 homes. Queenstown Lakes million for 2,600 homes. Queenstown Lakes will million for 2,600 homes. Queenstown Lakes will receive million for 2,600 homes. Queenstown Lakes will receive 50 million for 2,600 homes. Queenstown Lakes will receive 50 million million for 2,600 homes. Queenstown Lakes will receive 50 million for Lakes will receive 50 million for 3,200 Lakes will receive 50 million for 3,200 homes Lakes will receive 50 million for 3,200 homes and Lakes will receive 50 million for 3,200 homes and Tauranga Lakes will receive 50 million for 3,200 homes and Tauranga will 3,200 homes and Tauranga will receive 3,200 homes and Tauranga will receive 230 3,200 homes and Tauranga will receive 230 million 3,200 homes and Tauranga will receive 230 million for receive 230 million for infrastructure receive 230 million for infrastructure for receive 230 million for infrastructure for 35,000 receive 230 million for infrastructure for 35,000 homes. receive 230 million for infrastructure for 35,000 homes. How infrastructure for 35,000 homes. How does infrastructure for 35,000 homes. How does this infrastructure for 35,000 homes. How does this work infrastructure for 35,000 homes. How does this work on infrastructure for 35,000 homes. How does this work on housing does this work on housing infrastructure does this work on housing infrastructure complement does this work on housing infrastructure complement the infrastructure complement the fast-track infrastructure complement the fast-track zoning infrastructure complement the fast-track zoning provided infrastructure complement the fast-track zoning provided through fast-track zoning provided through the fast-track zoning provided through the housing fast-track zoning provided through the housing accords fast-track zoning provided through the housing accords with fast-track zoning provided through the housing accords with councils the housing accords with councils across the housing accords with councils across New the housing accords with councils across New Zealand? the housing accords with councils across New Zealand? The the housing accords with councils across New Zealand? The number the housing accords with councils across New Zealand? The number one across New Zealand? The number one problem across New Zealand? The number one problem with across New Zealand? The number one problem with new across New Zealand? The number one problem with new housing across New Zealand? The number one problem with new housing supply across New Zealand? The number one problem with new housing supply has problem with new housing supply has been problem with new housing supply has been the problem with new housing supply has been the shortage problem with new housing supply has been the shortage of problem with new housing supply has been the shortage of suitably problem with new housing supply has been the shortage of suitably zoned been the shortage of suitably zoned land been the shortage of suitably zoned land and been the shortage of suitably zoned land and that been the shortage of suitably zoned land and that is been the shortage of suitably zoned land and that is why been the shortage of suitably zoned land and that is why our land and that is why our Government's land and that is why our Government's top land and that is why our Government's top priority land and that is why our Government's top priority has land and that is why our Government's top priority has been Government's top priority has been fast-tracking Government's top priority has been fast-tracking the Government's top priority has been fast-tracking the additional Government's top priority has been fast-tracking the additional space fast-tracking the additional space for fast-tracking the additional space for housing. fast-tracking the additional space for housing. That fast-tracking the additional space for housing. That has fast-tracking the additional space for housing. That has been for housing. That has been successful, for housing. That has been successful, in for housing. That has been successful, in that, for housing. That has been successful, in that, from for housing. That has been successful, in that, from when for housing. That has been successful, in that, from when the successful, in that, from when the Housing successful, in that, from when the Housing Accords successful, in that, from when the Housing Accords Act successful, in that, from when the Housing Accords Act was successful, in that, from when the Housing Accords Act was passed, Housing Accords Act was passed, we've Housing Accords Act was passed, we've seen Housing Accords Act was passed, we've seen a Housing Accords Act was passed, we've seen a lift Housing Accords Act was passed, we've seen a lift from Housing Accords Act was passed, we've seen a lift from 15,000 Housing Accords Act was passed, we've seen a lift from 15,000 homes we've seen a lift from 15,000 homes a we've seen a lift from 15,000 homes a year we've seen a lift from 15,000 homes a year being we've seen a lift from 15,000 homes a year being built we've seen a lift from 15,000 homes a year being built to we've seen a lift from 15,000 homes a year being built to 30,000 we've seen a lift from 15,000 homes a year being built to 30,000 homes. a year being built to 30,000 homes. However, a year being built to 30,000 homes. However, councils a year being built to 30,000 homes. However, councils signalled a year being built to 30,000 homes. However, councils signalled to a year being built to 30,000 homes. However, councils signalled to the However, councils signalled to the Government However, councils signalled to the Government last However, councils signalled to the Government last year However, councils signalled to the Government last year that However, councils signalled to the Government last year that the Government last year that the constraint Government last year that the constraint of Government last year that the constraint of how Government last year that the constraint of how they Government last year that the constraint of how they funded Government last year that the constraint of how they funded the constraint of how they funded the infrastructure constraint of how they funded the infrastructure to constraint of how they funded the infrastructure to support constraint of how they funded the infrastructure to support the infrastructure to support the housing infrastructure to support the housing risked infrastructure to support the housing risked slowing infrastructure to support the housing risked slowing that infrastructure to support the housing risked slowing that growth infrastructure to support the housing risked slowing that growth - housing risked slowing that growth - that housing risked slowing that growth - that is housing risked slowing that growth - that is why housing risked slowing that growth - that is why the housing risked slowing that growth - that is why the billion-dollar that is why the billion-dollar injection that is why the billion-dollar injection to that is why the billion-dollar injection to support that is why the billion-dollar injection to support council injection to support council infrastructure, injection to support council infrastructure, and injection to support council infrastructure, and the injection to support council infrastructure, and the new injection to support council infrastructure, and the new Crown infrastructure, and the new Crown Infrastructure infrastructure, and the new Crown Infrastructure Partners infrastructure, and the new Crown Infrastructure Partners initiative Infrastructure Partners initiative announced Infrastructure Partners initiative announced at Infrastructure Partners initiative announced at the Infrastructure Partners initiative announced at the weekend, Infrastructure Partners initiative announced at the weekend, is Infrastructure Partners initiative announced at the weekend, is about announced at the weekend, is about dealing announced at the weekend, is about dealing with announced at the weekend, is about dealing with that announced at the weekend, is about dealing with that new announced at the weekend, is about dealing with that new constraint announced at the weekend, is about dealing with that new constraint and dealing with that new constraint and maintaining dealing with that new constraint and maintaining the dealing with that new constraint and maintaining the momentum dealing with that new constraint and maintaining the momentum of dealing with that new constraint and maintaining the momentum of growth. maintaining the momentum of growth. Questions maintaining the momentum of growth. Questions to maintaining the momentum of growth. Questions to member, maintaining the momentum of growth. Questions to member, questions maintaining the momentum of growth. Questions to member, questions No. Questions to member, questions No. 1. 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This bill would make sure children are not growing up in cold, children are not growing up in cold, damp, children are not growing up in cold, damp, moldy children are not growing up in cold, damp, moldy homes. children are not growing up in cold, damp, moldy homes. <INTERRUPTION> damp, moldy homes. <INTERRUPTION> point damp, moldy homes. <INTERRUPTION> point of damp, moldy homes. <INTERRUPTION> point of order. damp, moldy homes. <INTERRUPTION> point of order. I damp, moldy homes. <INTERRUPTION> point of order. I seek damp, moldy homes. <INTERRUPTION> point of order. I seek leave damp, moldy homes. <INTERRUPTION> point of order. I seek leave to point of order. I seek leave to table point of order. I seek leave to table the point of order. I seek leave to table the open point of order. I seek leave to table the open letter point of order. I seek leave to table the open letter for point of order. I seek leave to table the open letter for Healthy table the open letter for Healthy Homes table the open letter for Healthy Homes that table the open letter for Healthy Homes that has table the open letter for Healthy Homes that has been table the open letter for Healthy Homes that has been presented table the open letter for Healthy Homes that has been presented to table the open letter for Healthy Homes that has been presented to me Homes that has been presented to me by Homes that has been presented to me by - Homes that has been presented to me by - recently Homes that has been presented to me by - recently and Homes that has been presented to me by - recently and it Homes that has been presented to me by - recently and it is Homes that has been presented to me by - recently and it is signed Homes that has been presented to me by - recently and it is signed by by - recently and it is signed by 30,000 by - recently and it is signed by 30,000 New by - recently and it is signed by 30,000 New Zealanders. by - recently and it is signed by 30,000 New Zealanders. 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