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INTERPRETER: the support of her husband? INTERPRETER: Mr the support of her husband? INTERPRETER: Mr Speaker, the support of her husband? 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INTERPRETER: parental leave? INTERPRETER: No. parental leave? INTERPRETER: No. Question parental leave? INTERPRETER: No. Question No. parental leave? INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. parental leave? INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The Hon INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The Hon Steven INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The Hon Steven Joyce. INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The Hon Steven Joyce. <INTERRUPTION> INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: No. INTERPRETER: No. Question INTERPRETER: No. Question No. INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The Hon INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The Hon Steven INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. The Hon Steven Joyce. INTERPRETER: No. Question No. 3. 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I can further confirm that it is this Government's policy billion. I can further confirm that it is this Government's policy to it is this Government's policy to reduce it is this Government's policy to reduce net it is this Government's policy to reduce net core it is this Government's policy to reduce net core Crown it is this Government's policy to reduce net core Crown debt it is this Government's policy to reduce net core Crown debt to it is this Government's policy to reduce net core Crown debt to 20% it is this Government's policy to reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of GDP reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of GDP within reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of GDP within five reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of GDP within five years. reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of GDP within five years. As reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of GDP within five years. As the reduce net core Crown debt to 20% of GDP within five years. 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Nobody is any the wiser as to whether he will question. Nobody is any the wiser as to whether he will allow question. Nobody is any the wiser as to whether he will allow net question. Nobody is any the wiser as to whether he will allow net debt question. 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Supplementary to drill down that way. Supplementary question. to drill down that way. Supplementary question. Can to drill down that way. Supplementary question. Can the Supplementary question. Can the Supplementary question. Can the Supplementary question. Can the Finance Minister Supplementary question. Can the Finance Minister confirm Supplementary question. Can the Finance Minister confirm that Supplementary question. Can the Finance Minister confirm that the Finance Minister confirm that the pre-election Finance Minister confirm that the pre-election fiscal Finance Minister confirm that the pre-election fiscal update Finance Minister confirm that the pre-election fiscal update forecast pre-election fiscal update forecast net pre-election fiscal update forecast net debt pre-election fiscal update forecast net debt to pre-election fiscal update forecast net debt to reduce pre-election fiscal update forecast net debt to reduce to pre-election fiscal update forecast net debt to reduce to $56.2 pre-election fiscal update forecast net debt to reduce to $56.2 billion net debt to reduce to $56.2 billion by net debt to reduce to $56.2 billion by 2022 net debt to reduce to $56.2 billion by 2022 meaning net debt to reduce to $56.2 billion by 2022 meaning that net debt to reduce to $56.2 billion by 2022 meaning that his net debt to reduce to $56.2 billion by 2022 meaning that his forecast net debt to reduce to $56.2 billion by 2022 meaning that his forecast of by 2022 meaning that his forecast of $67.6 by 2022 meaning that his forecast of $67.6 billion by 2022 meaning that his forecast of $67.6 billion is by 2022 meaning that his forecast of $67.6 billion is over by 2022 meaning that his forecast of $67.6 billion is over $11 by 2022 meaning that his forecast of $67.6 billion is over $11 billion $67.6 billion is over $11 billion higher $67.6 billion is over $11 billion higher than $67.6 billion is over $11 billion higher than in $67.6 billion is over $11 billion higher than in the pre-election higher than in the pre-election fiscal higher than in the pre-election fiscal update? higher than in the pre-election fiscal update? 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If campaign budget was just too tight to be credible. If not, campaign budget was just too tight to be credible. If not, what campaign budget was just too tight to be credible. If not, what does campaign budget was just too tight to be credible. If not, what does he to be credible. If not, what does he think to be credible. If not, what does he think the to be credible. If not, what does he think the BNZ to be credible. If not, what does he think the BNZ has to be credible. If not, what does he think the BNZ has got to be credible. If not, what does he think the BNZ has got wrong? to be credible. If not, what does he think the BNZ has got wrong? What think the BNZ has got wrong? What this think the BNZ has got wrong? What this Government think the BNZ has got wrong? What this Government has think the BNZ has got wrong? What this Government has committed think the BNZ has got wrong? What this Government has committed to think the BNZ has got wrong? What this Government has committed to is this Government has committed to is think this Government has committed to is a set of this Government has committed to is a set of budget this Government has committed to is a set of budget responsibility this Government has committed to is a set of budget responsibility rules a set of budget responsibility rules a set of budget responsibility rules a set of budget responsibility rules and we a set of budget responsibility rules and we will a set of budget responsibility rules and we will work a set of budget responsibility rules and we will work within a set of budget responsibility rules and we will work within those. a set of budget responsibility rules and we will work within those. We and we will work within those. We made and we will work within those. We made commitments and we will work within those. We made commitments before and we will work within those. We made commitments before the and we will work within those. 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This Government is committed to undertaking the work committed to undertaking the work that committed to undertaking the work that is committed to undertaking the work that is necessary committed to undertaking the work that is necessary to committed to undertaking the work that is necessary to end committed to undertaking the work that is necessary to end structural that is necessary to end structural discrimination, that is necessary to end structural discrimination, particularly that is necessary to end structural discrimination, particularly against discrimination, particularly against women, discrimination, particularly against women, whenua, discrimination, particularly against women, whenua, Pasifika discrimination, particularly against women, whenua, Pasifika and discrimination, particularly against women, whenua, Pasifika and women discrimination, particularly against women, whenua, Pasifika and women of women, whenua, Pasifika and women of colour. women, whenua, Pasifika and women of colour. This women, whenua, Pasifika and women of colour. This Government women, whenua, Pasifika and women of colour. This Government recognises colour. This Government recognises everyone colour. This Government recognises everyone in colour. This Government recognises everyone in society colour. This Government recognises everyone in society is colour. This Government recognises everyone in society is better colour. This Government recognises everyone in society is better off everyone in society is better off when everyone in society is better off when we everyone in society is better off when we all everyone in society is better off when we all receive everyone in society is better off when we all receive fair everyone in society is better off when we all receive fair pay everyone in society is better off when we all receive fair pay for when we all receive fair pay for their when we all receive fair pay for their contribution when we all receive fair pay for their contribution and when we all receive fair pay for their contribution and their when we all receive fair pay for their contribution and their work. their contribution and their work. So, their contribution and their work. So, we've their contribution and their work. So, we've started their contribution and their work. So, we've started by their contribution and their work. So, we've started by halting their contribution and their work. So, we've started by halting the So, we've started by halting the previous So, we've started by halting the previous Government's So, we've started by halting the previous Government's legislation previous Government's legislation that previous Government's legislation that would previous Government's legislation that would have previous Government's legislation that would have made previous Government's legislation that would have made it previous Government's legislation that would have made it harder previous Government's legislation that would have made it harder for that would have made it harder for women that would have made it harder for women to that would have made it harder for women to find that would have made it harder for women to find a that would have made it harder for women to find a clear that would have made it harder for women to find a clear pathway that would have made it harder for women to find a clear pathway to women to find a clear pathway to equal women to find a clear pathway to equal pay. women to find a clear pathway to equal pay. We women to find a clear pathway to equal pay. We will women to find a clear pathway to equal pay. We will be women to find a clear pathway to equal pay. We will be bringing women to find a clear pathway to equal pay. We will be bringing fresh equal pay. We will be bringing fresh legislation equal pay. We will be bringing fresh legislation into equal pay. We will be bringing fresh legislation into this equal pay. We will be bringing fresh legislation into this House equal pay. We will be bringing fresh legislation into this House that legislation into this House that will legislation into this House that will implement legislation into this House that will implement the legislation into this House that will implement the agreed legislation into this House that will implement the agreed principles will implement the agreed principles of will implement the agreed principles of the will implement the agreed principles of the joint will implement the agreed principles of the joint working will implement the agreed principles of the joint working group will implement the agreed principles of the joint working group on will implement the agreed principles of the joint working group on pay of the joint working group on pay equity. of the joint working group on pay equity. We of the joint working group on pay equity. We will of the joint working group on pay equity. We will lead of the joint working group on pay equity. We will lead by of the joint working group on pay equity. We will lead by example of the joint working group on pay equity. We will lead by example by equity. We will lead by example by closing equity. We will lead by example by closing the equity. We will lead by example by closing the pay equity. We will lead by example by closing the pay gap equity. We will lead by example by closing the pay gap in equity. We will lead by example by closing the pay gap in the equity. We will lead by example by closing the pay gap in the core closing the pay gap in the core public closing the pay gap in the core public service closing the pay gap in the core public service with closing the pay gap in the core public service with the closing the pay gap in the core public service with the particular public service with the particular focus public service with the particular focus on public service with the particular focus on Maori public service with the particular focus on Maori and public service with the particular focus on Maori and Pasifika public service with the particular focus on Maori and Pasifika women. focus on Maori and Pasifika women. We focus on Maori and Pasifika women. We will focus on Maori and Pasifika women. We will be focus on Maori and Pasifika women. We will be working focus on Maori and Pasifika women. We will be working with focus on Maori and Pasifika women. We will be working with the focus on Maori and Pasifika women. We will be working with the private We will be working with the private sector We will be working with the private sector because We will be working with the private sector because there We will be working with the private sector because there are We will be working with the private sector because there are many sector because there are many businesses sector because there are many businesses that sector because there are many businesses that are sector because there are many businesses that are already sector because there are many businesses that are already seeing businesses that are already seeing the businesses that are already seeing the productivity businesses that are already seeing the productivity benefits businesses that are already seeing the productivity benefits of the productivity benefits of measuring the productivity benefits of measuring and the productivity benefits of measuring and closing the productivity benefits of measuring and closing the the productivity benefits of measuring and closing the gender the productivity benefits of measuring and closing the gender pay measuring and closing the gender pay gap. measuring and closing the gender pay gap. 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Can the minister please confirm that the median pay please confirm that the median pay gap please confirm that the median pay gap - please confirm that the median pay gap - gender please confirm that the median pay gap - gender pay please confirm that the median pay gap - gender pay gap please confirm that the median pay gap - gender pay gap was please confirm that the median pay gap - gender pay gap was over please confirm that the median pay gap - gender pay gap was over 12% gap - gender pay gap was over 12% earlier gap - gender pay gap was over 12% earlier this gap - gender pay gap was over 12% earlier this year? gap - gender pay gap was over 12% earlier this year? But gap - gender pay gap was over 12% earlier this year? But has gap - gender pay gap was over 12% earlier this year? But has closed gap - gender pay gap was over 12% earlier this year? But has closed to earlier this year? But has closed to just earlier this year? But has closed to just over earlier this year? 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And will she be getting a 3% drop in the she be getting a 3% drop in the gender she be getting a 3% drop in the gender pay she be getting a 3% drop in the gender pay gap she be getting a 3% drop in the gender pay gap within she be getting a 3% drop in the gender pay gap within the she be getting a 3% drop in the gender pay gap within the next she be getting a 3% drop in the gender pay gap within the next six gender pay gap within the next six months? gender pay gap within the next six months? Thank gender pay gap within the next six months? Thank you. gender pay gap within the next six months? Thank you. Tending gender pay gap within the next six months? Thank you. Tending - gender pay gap within the next six months? Thank you. Tending - there months? Thank you. Tending - there are months? Thank you. Tending - there are different months? Thank you. Tending - there are different ways months? Thank you. Tending - there are different ways of months? Thank you. Tending - there are different ways of measuring months? Thank you. Tending - there are different ways of measuring it are different ways of measuring it and are different ways of measuring it and so are different ways of measuring it and so if are different ways of measuring it and so if you are different ways of measuring it and so if you measure are different ways of measuring it and so if you measure the are different ways of measuring it and so if you measure the average and so if you measure the average pay and so if you measure the average pay gap, and so if you measure the average pay gap, it and so if you measure the average pay gap, it is and so if you measure the average pay gap, it is 13.1. and so if you measure the average pay gap, it is 13.1. The and so if you measure the average pay gap, it is 13.1. The median and so if you measure the average pay gap, it is 13.1. The median pay pay gap, it is 13.1. The median pay gap pay gap, it is 13.1. 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And I'm confident that with an ambitious Government that with an ambitious Government that that with an ambitious Government that is that with an ambitious Government that is committed that with an ambitious Government that is committed to that with an ambitious Government that is committed to equality that with an ambitious Government that is committed to equality and that is committed to equality and not that is committed to equality and not afraid that is committed to equality and not afraid of that is committed to equality and not afraid of talking that is committed to equality and not afraid of talking about that is committed to equality and not afraid of talking about the that is committed to equality and not afraid of talking about the hard not afraid of talking about the hard issues, not afraid of talking about the hard issues, we not afraid of talking about the hard issues, we will not afraid of talking about the hard issues, we will make not afraid of talking about the hard issues, we will make enormous issues, we will make enormous progress. issues, we will make enormous progress. <INTERRUPTION> progress. <INTERRUPTION> <APPLAUSE> Question Question No. Question No. 8. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: My question is to the Minister for Social Development: What My question is to the Minister for Social Development: What are My question is to the Minister for Social Development: What are the Social Development: What are the exemptions Social Development: What are the exemptions in Social Development: What are the exemptions in section Social Development: What are the exemptions in section 70A Social Development: What are the exemptions in section 70A of Social Development: What are the exemptions in section 70A of the exemptions in section 70A of the Social exemptions in section 70A of the Social Security exemptions in section 70A of the Social Security Act exemptions in section 70A of the Social Security Act 1964 exemptions in section 70A of the Social Security Act 1964 that exemptions in section 70A of the Social Security Act 1964 that mean Social Security Act 1964 that mean sanctions Social Security Act 1964 that mean sanctions aren't Social Security Act 1964 that mean sanctions aren't imposed Social Security Act 1964 that mean sanctions aren't imposed on Social Security Act 1964 that mean sanctions aren't imposed on sole sanctions aren't imposed on sole parents sanctions aren't imposed on sole parents who sanctions aren't imposed on sole parents who don't sanctions aren't imposed on sole parents who don't name sanctions aren't imposed on sole parents who don't name the sanctions aren't imposed on sole parents who don't name the other parents who don't name the other parent? 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These are applied if, one, there is insufficient if, one, there is insufficient evidence if, one, there is insufficient evidence available if, one, there is insufficient evidence available to if, one, there is insufficient evidence available to establish if, one, there is insufficient evidence available to establish who evidence available to establish who is evidence available to establish who is in evidence available to establish who is in law evidence available to establish who is in law the evidence available to establish who is in law the other evidence available to establish who is in law the other parent evidence available to establish who is in law the other parent - evidence available to establish who is in law the other parent - two, is in law the other parent - two, the is in law the other parent - two, the client is in law the other parent - two, the client is is in law the other parent - two, the client is taking is in law the other parent - two, the client is taking active is in law the other parent - two, the client is taking active steps is in law the other parent - two, the client is taking active steps to the client is taking active steps to identify the client is taking active steps to identify who the client is taking active steps to identify who in the client is taking active steps to identify who in law the client is taking active steps to identify who in law is the client is taking active steps to identify who in law is the the client is taking active steps to identify who in law is the other identify who in law is the other parent identify who in law is the other parent - identify who in law is the other parent - three, identify who in law is the other parent - three, the identify who in law is the other parent - three, the client identify who in law is the other parent - three, the client or identify who in law is the other parent - three, the client or the parent - three, the client or the child parent - three, the client or the child or parent - three, the client or the child or children parent - three, the client or the child or children will parent - three, the client or the child or children will be parent - three, the client or the child or children will be at parent - three, the client or the child or children will be at risk parent - three, the client or the child or children will be at risk of child or children will be at risk of violence child or children will be at risk of violence if child or children will be at risk of violence if the child or children will be at risk of violence if the client child or children will be at risk of violence if the client carried child or children will be at risk of violence if the client carried out violence if the client carried out or violence if the client carried out or took violence if the client carried out or took steps violence if the client carried out or took steps to violence if the client carried out or took steps to meet violence if the client carried out or took steps to meet their violence if the client carried out or took steps to meet their child or took steps to meet their child support or took steps to meet their child support obligations or took steps to meet their child support obligations - or took steps to meet their child support obligations - four, or took steps to meet their child support obligations - four, there or took steps to meet their child support obligations - four, there is support obligations - four, there is another support obligations - four, there is another compelling support obligations - four, there is another compelling circumstance support obligations - four, there is another compelling circumstance for another compelling circumstance for the another compelling circumstance for the client's another compelling circumstance for the client's failure another compelling circumstance for the client's failure to another compelling circumstance for the client's failure to meet another compelling circumstance for the client's failure to meet their the client's failure to meet their child the client's failure to meet their child support the client's failure to meet their child support obligations the client's failure to meet their child support obligations and the client's failure to meet their child support obligations and there child support obligations and there is child support obligations and there is no child support obligations and there is no real child support obligations and there is no real likelihood child support obligations and there is no real likelihood of child support obligations and there is no real likelihood of support is no real likelihood of support being is no real likelihood of support being collected is no real likelihood of support being collected - is no real likelihood of support being collected - or, is no real likelihood of support being collected - or, five, is no real likelihood of support being collected - or, five, the being collected - or, five, the child being collected - or, five, the child was being collected - or, five, the child was conceived being collected - or, five, the child was conceived as being collected - or, five, the child was conceived as a being collected - or, five, the child was conceived as a result being collected - or, five, the child was conceived as a result of child was conceived as a result of incest child was conceived as a result of incest or child was conceived as a result of incest or sexual child was conceived as a result of incest or sexual violation. child was conceived as a result of incest or sexual violation. Does child was conceived as a result of incest or sexual violation. Does the incest or sexual violation. Does the minister incest or sexual violation. Does the minister now incest or sexual violation. Does the minister now accept, incest or sexual violation. Does the minister now accept, given incest or sexual violation. Does the minister now accept, given the minister now accept, given the comments minister now accept, given the comments just minister now accept, given the comments just made, minister now accept, given the comments just made, that minister now accept, given the comments just made, that there minister now accept, given the comments just made, that there is comments just made, that there is already comments just made, that there is already exemptions comments just made, that there is already exemptions available comments just made, that there is already exemptions available for already exemptions available for situations already exemptions available for situations related already exemptions available for situations related to already exemptions available for situations related to family situations related to family violence? situations related to family violence? The situations related to family violence? The advice situations related to family violence? The advice that situations related to family violence? The advice that I situations related to family violence? The advice that I have violence? The advice that I have been violence? The advice that I have been given violence? The advice that I have been given - violence? The advice that I have been given - and violence? The advice that I have been given - and the violence? The advice that I have been given - and the same violence? The advice that I have been given - and the same advice violence? 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Also, sanction has been applied inconsistently. Also, there sanction has been applied inconsistently. Also, there is sanction has been applied inconsistently. Also, there is no inconsistently. Also, there is no evidence inconsistently. Also, there is no evidence to inconsistently. Also, there is no evidence to support inconsistently. Also, there is no evidence to support that inconsistently. Also, there is no evidence to support that the evidence to support that the sanction evidence to support that the sanction has evidence to support that the sanction has achieved evidence to support that the sanction has achieved its evidence to support that the sanction has achieved its own evidence to support that the sanction has achieved its own goals, sanction has achieved its own goals, in sanction has achieved its own goals, in terms sanction has achieved its own goals, in terms of sanction has achieved its own goals, in terms of its sanction has achieved its own goals, in terms of its original sanction has achieved its own goals, in terms of its original intention, in terms of its original intention, and in terms of its original intention, and I'm in terms of its original intention, and I'm concerned in terms of its original intention, and I'm concerned because in terms of its original intention, and I'm concerned because there in terms of its original intention, and I'm concerned because there are and I'm concerned because there are 18,000 and I'm concerned because there are 18,000 children and I'm concerned because there are 18,000 children that and I'm concerned because there are 18,000 children that have and I'm concerned because there are 18,000 children that have a 18,000 children that have a reduction 18,000 children that have a reduction in 18,000 children that have a reduction in their 18,000 children that have a reduction in their income 18,000 children that have a reduction in their income because 18,000 children that have a reduction in their income because of reduction in their income because of the reduction in their income because of the way reduction in their income because of the way in reduction in their income because of the way in which reduction in their income because of the way in which the reduction in their income because of the way in which the sanction reduction in their income because of the way in which the sanction is the way in which the sanction is applied. the way in which the sanction is applied. 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Mr Speaker, when will the minister do her job to make sure minister do her job to make sure that minister do her job to make sure that existing minister do her job to make sure that existing policies minister do her job to make sure that existing policies and that existing policies and exemptions that existing policies and exemptions are that existing policies and exemptions are actually that existing policies and exemptions are actually implemented exemptions are actually implemented by exemptions are actually implemented by her exemptions are actually implemented by her department? exemptions are actually implemented by her department? <INTERRUPTION> by her department? <INTERRUPTION> The by her department? <INTERRUPTION> The advice by her department? <INTERRUPTION> The advice that by her department? <INTERRUPTION> The advice that I by her department? <INTERRUPTION> The advice that I have by her department? <INTERRUPTION> The advice that I have been by her department? <INTERRUPTION> The advice that I have been given by her department? <INTERRUPTION> The advice that I have been given on The advice that I have been given on this The advice that I have been given on this sanction The advice that I have been given on this sanction is The advice that I have been given on this sanction is the The advice that I have been given on this sanction is the same The advice that I have been given on this sanction is the same advice this sanction is the same advice that this sanction is the same advice that was this sanction is the same advice that was given this sanction is the same advice that was given to this sanction is the same advice that was given to the this sanction is the same advice that was given to the former that was given to the former Minister that was given to the former Minister of that was given to the former Minister of Social that was given to the former Minister of Social Development, Minister of Social Development, which Minister of Social Development, which points Minister of Social Development, which points out Minister of Social Development, which points out very Minister of Social Development, which points out very clearly Minister of Social Development, which points out very clearly that which points out very clearly that there which points out very clearly that there is which points out very clearly that there is no which points out very clearly that there is no evidence which points out very clearly that there is no evidence to which points out very clearly that there is no evidence to support which points out very clearly that there is no evidence to support that there is no evidence to support that the there is no evidence to support that the sanction there is no evidence to support that the sanction is there is no evidence to support that the sanction is achieving there is no evidence to support that the sanction is achieving its the sanction is achieving its objection the sanction is achieving its objection - the sanction is achieving its objection - objective, the sanction is achieving its objection - objective, but the sanction is achieving its objection - objective, but what the sanction is achieving its objection - objective, but what it objection - objective, but what it is objection - objective, but what it is doing objection - objective, but what it is doing - objection - objective, but what it is doing - it objection - objective, but what it is doing - it is objection - objective, but what it is doing - it is punishing objection - objective, but what it is doing - it is punishing 18,000 is doing - it is punishing 18,000 children is doing - it is punishing 18,000 children for is doing - it is punishing 18,000 children for a is doing - it is punishing 18,000 children for a parent is doing - it is punishing 18,000 children for a parent being is doing - it is punishing 18,000 children for a parent being absent. children for a parent being absent. 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What evidence does the minister have that the current minister have that the current sanctions minister have that the current sanctions that minister have that the current sanctions that were minister have that the current sanctions that were introduced minister have that the current sanctions that were introduced by minister have that the current sanctions that were introduced by a sanctions that were introduced by a Labour sanctions that were introduced by a Labour Government sanctions that were introduced by a Labour Government in sanctions that were introduced by a Labour Government in 1990 sanctions that were introduced by a Labour Government in 1990 and Labour Government in 1990 and increased Labour Government in 1990 and increased by Labour Government in 1990 and increased by the Labour Government in 1990 and increased by the Labour Labour Government in 1990 and increased by the Labour Government increased by the Labour Government in increased by the Labour Government in 2005 increased by the Labour Government in 2005 are increased by the Labour Government in 2005 are not increased by the Labour Government in 2005 are not working? increased by the Labour Government in 2005 are not working? 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Hear, being punished and we want to stop that. Hear, hear. that. Hear, hear. <APPLAUSE> . . Question . Question No. . Question No. 10. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Justice: My question is to the Minister of Justice: Has My question is to the Minister of Justice: Has he My question is to the Minister of Justice: Has he seen My question is to the Minister of Justice: Has he seen any My question is to the Minister of Justice: Has he seen any evidence Justice: Has he seen any evidence that Justice: Has he seen any evidence that victimisations Justice: Has he seen any evidence that victimisations of Justice: Has he seen any evidence that victimisations of serious Justice: Has he seen any evidence that victimisations of serious crime that victimisations of serious crime are that victimisations of serious crime are increasing? 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And we must break the victims and broken communities. And we must break the intergenerational we must break the intergenerational cycle we must break the intergenerational cycle of we must break the intergenerational cycle of abuse we must break the intergenerational cycle of abuse that we must break the intergenerational cycle of abuse that was we must break the intergenerational cycle of abuse that was ignored we must break the intergenerational cycle of abuse that was ignored by cycle of abuse that was ignored by the cycle of abuse that was ignored by the last cycle of abuse that was ignored by the last Government. Question Question No. Question No. 11. 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