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INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Almighty INTERPRETER: Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed which have been bestowed on which have been bestowed on us. on us. Laying on us. Laying aside on us. Laying aside all on us. Laying aside all personal on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen and Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance in we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance in our we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance in our deliberations, for guidance in our deliberations, that for guidance in our deliberations, that we for guidance in our deliberations, that we may for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct the for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House of this House with of this House with wisdom, of this House with wisdom, humility, with wisdom, humility, for with wisdom, humility, for the with wisdom, humility, for the welfare with wisdom, humility, for the welfare and with wisdom, humility, for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Conservation: Conservation: What Conservation: What has Conservation: What has been Conservation: What has been the Conservation: What has been the Dept Conservation: What has been the Dept of What has been the Dept of Conservation's What has been the Dept of Conservation's biggest What has been the Dept of Conservation's biggest recent Conservation's biggest recent success Conservation's biggest recent success in Conservation's biggest recent success in predator Conservation's biggest recent success in predator control Conservation's biggest recent success in predator control to success in predator control to better success in predator control to better protect success in predator control to better protect our success in predator control to better protect our native success in predator control to better protect our native plants success in predator control to better protect our native plants and better protect our native plants and wildlife? The The Hon The Hon Eugenie The Hon Eugenie Sage. The Hon Eugenie Sage. The The Hon Eugenie Sage. The Dept The Hon Eugenie Sage. The Dept of The Hon Eugenie Sage. The Dept of Conservation The Hon Eugenie Sage. The Dept of Conservation has The Hon Eugenie Sage. The Dept of Conservation has recently The Hon Eugenie Sage. The Dept of Conservation has recently completed Conservation has recently completed aerial Conservation has recently completed success Conservation has recently completed aerial predator control Conservation has recently completed aerial predator control on Conservation has recently completed aerial predator control on more Conservation has recently completed aerial predator control on more than aerial predator control on more than 440,000 aerial predator control on more than 440,000 hectares aerial predator control on more than 440,000 hectares of aerial predator control on more than 440,000 hectares of conservation 440,000 hectares of conservation land, 440,000 hectares of conservation land, including 440,000 hectares of conservation land, including more 440,000 hectares of conservation land, including more than 440,000 hectares of conservation land, including more than 38,000 land, including more than 38,000 hectares land, including more than 38,000 hectares of land, including more than 38,000 hectares of the land, including more than 38,000 hectares of the national land, including more than 38,000 hectares of the national park, land, including more than 38,000 hectares of the national park, home hectares of the national park, home to hectares of the national park, home to kaka hectares of the national park, home to kaka and hectares of the national park, home to kaka and land hectares of the national park, home to kaka and land Supplementary. hectares of the national park, home to kaka and land Supplementary. Does to kaka and land Supplementary. Does the to kaka and land Supplementary. Does the department to kaka and land Supplementary. Does the department have to kaka and land Supplementary. Does the department have the to kaka and land Supplementary. Does the department have the resources the department have the resources needed the department have the resources needed to the department have the resources needed to protect the department have the resources needed to protect the the department have the resources needed to protect the 4,000 the department have the resources needed to protect the 4,000 Mative needed to protect the 4,000 Mative species needed to protect the 4,000 Mative species that needed to protect the 4,000 Mative species that are needed to protect the 4,000 Mative species that are at needed to protect the 4,000 Mative species that are at risk needed to protect the 4,000 Mative species that are at risk or species that are at risk or threatened species that are at risk or threatened with species that are at risk or threatened with extinction? species that are at risk or threatened with extinction? The threatened with extinction? The recent threatened with extinction? The the threatened with extinction? The recent work was threatened with extinction? The recent work was a threatened with extinction? The recent work was a great threatened with extinction? The recent work was a great success, threatened with extinction? 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Supplementary. threatened or at risk of extinction. Supplementary. What threatened or at risk of extinction. Supplementary. What will threatened or at risk of extinction. Supplementary. What will the Supplementary. What will the Minister Supplementary. What will the Minister do Supplementary. What will the Minister do to Supplementary. What will the Minister do to better Supplementary. What will the Minister do to better protect Supplementary. 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For a start, we will be changing the threatened species changing the threatened species strategy changing the threatened species strategy because changing the threatened species strategy because the changing the threatened species strategy because the last changing the threatened species strategy because the last government strategy because the last government was strategy because the last government was unambitious strategy because the last government was unambitious and strategy because the last government was unambitious and was strategy because the last government was unambitious and was only strategy because the last government was unambitious and was only aiming was unambitious and was only aiming to was unambitious and was only aiming to manage was unambitious and was only aiming to manage 500 was unambitious and was only aiming to manage 500 of was unambitious and was only aiming to manage 500 of those was unambitious and was only aiming to manage 500 of those species was unambitious and was only aiming to manage 500 of those species for to manage 500 of those species for persistence. to manage 500 of those species for persistence. We to manage 500 of those species for persistence. We have to manage 500 of those species for persistence. We have a to manage 500 of those species for persistence. We have a commitment persistence. We have a commitment commitment persistence. We have a commitment commitment to persistence. We have a commitment commitment to significantly persistence. We have a commitment commitment to significantly increase commitment to significantly increase conservation commitment to significantly increase conservation funding commitment to significantly increase conservation funding to commitment to significantly increase conservation funding to better conservation funding to better protect conservation funding to better protect our conservation funding to better protect our native conservation funding to better protect our native plants conservation funding to better protect our native plants and protect our native plants and wildlife. protect our native plants and wildlife. Supplementary protect our native plants and wildlife. Supplementary to protect our native plants and wildlife. Supplementary to the wildlife. Supplementary to the Minister. wildlife. Supplementary to the Minister. What wildlife. Supplementary to the Minister. What risks wildlife. Supplementary to the Minister. What risks to wildlife. Supplementary to the Minister. What risks to native Minister. What risks to native plants Minister. What risks to native plants and Minister. What risks to native plants and wildlife Minister. What risks to native plants and wildlife might Minister. What risks to native plants and wildlife might occur Minister. What risks to native plants and wildlife might occur if plants and wildlife might occur if there plants and wildlife might occur if there was plants and wildlife might occur if there was open plants and wildlife might occur if there was open cast plants and wildlife might occur if there was open cast mining plants and wildlife might occur if there was open cast mining at plants and wildlife might occur if there was open cast mining at Takuha there was open cast mining at Takuha Mine? there was open cast mining at Takuha Mine? The there was open cast mining at Takuha Mine? The member there was open cast mining at Takuha Mine? The member should there was open cast mining at Takuha Mine? The member should be there was open cast mining at Takuha Mine? The member should be very Mine? The member should be very aware Mine? The member should be very aware that Mine? The member should be very aware that until Mine? The member should be very aware that until the Mine? The member should be very aware that until the Minister aware that until the Minister considers aware that until the Minister considers an aware that until the Minister considers an application aware that until the Minister considers an application for aware that until the Minister considers an application for an considers an application for an access considers an application for an access agreement considers an application for an access agreement it considers an application for an access agreement it is considers an application for an access agreement it is not access agreement it is not appropriate access agreement it is not appropriate to access agreement it is not appropriate to comment access agreement it is not appropriate to comment to access agreement it is not appropriate to comment to avoid appropriate to comment to avoid pre-judging appropriate to comment to avoid pre-judging the appropriate to comment to avoid pre-judging the decision. pre-judging the decision. 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How does DoCs pest control work help threatened Supplementary. How does DoCs pest control work help threatened native control work help threatened native species? control work help threatened native species? Reducing control work help threatened native species? Reducing pest control work help threatened native species? Reducing pest numbers control work help threatened native species? Reducing pest numbers over species? Reducing pest numbers over wide species? Reducing pest numbers over wide areas species? Reducing pest numbers over wide areas through species? Reducing pest numbers over wide areas through aerial species? Reducing pest numbers over wide areas through aerial pest wide areas through aerial pest control wide areas through aerial pest control allows wide areas through aerial pest control allows native wide areas through aerial pest control allows native species wide areas through aerial pest control allows native species to control allows native species to bread control allows native species to bread in control allows native species to bread in relative control allows native species to bread in relative safety control allows native species to bread in relative safety and control allows native species to bread in relative safety and we control allows native species to bread in relative safety and we have bread in relative safety and we have seen bread in relative safety and we have seen that bread in relative safety and we have seen that in bread in relative safety and we have seen that in areas bread in relative safety and we have seen that in areas like bread in relative safety and we have seen that in areas like Southern's seen that in areas like Southern's Wide seen that in areas like Southern's Wide Tutu seen that in areas like Southern's Wide Tutu Forest seen that in areas like Southern's Wide Tutu Forest which seen that in areas like Southern's Wide Tutu Forest which means seen that in areas like Southern's Wide Tutu Forest which means a Wide Tutu Forest which means a population Wide Tutu Forest which means a population can Wide Tutu Forest which means a population can nest Wide Tutu Forest which means a population can nest and Wide Tutu Forest which means a population can nest and is Wide Tutu Forest which means a population can nest and is now population can nest and is now increasing. population can nest and is now increasing. Does population can nest and is now increasing. Does the population can nest and is now increasing. Does the minister increasing. Does the minister acknowledge increasing. Does the minister bread increasing. Does the minister acknowledge that the increasing. Does the minister acknowledge that the use increasing. Does the minister acknowledge that the use of increasing. Does the minister acknowledge that the use of the acknowledge that the use of the aerial acknowledge that the use of the aerial compound, acknowledge that the use of the aerial compound, as acknowledge that the use of the aerial compound, as distributed aerial compound, as distributed aerial aerial compound, as distributed aerial yes, aerial compound, as distributed aerial yes, 1080, aerial compound, as distributed aerial yes, 1080, is aerial compound, as distributed aerial yes, 1080, is the aerial compound, as distributed aerial yes, 1080, is the only aerial compound, as distributed aerial yes, 1080, is the only way aerial yes, 1080, is the only way that aerial yes, 1080, is the only way that we aerial yes, 1080, is the only way that we can aerial yes, 1080, is the only way that we can attain aerial yes, 1080, is the only way that we can attain the aerial yes, 1080, is the only way that we can attain the goal aerial yes, 1080, is the only way that we can attain the goal of that we can attain the goal of predator-free that we can attain the goal of predator-free New that we can attain the goal of predator-free New Zealand that we can attain the goal of predator-free New Zealand by that we can attain the goal of predator-free New Zealand by 2050 predator-free New Zealand by 2050 and predator-free New Zealand by 2050 and does predator-free New Zealand by 2050 and does New predator-free New Zealand by 2050 and does New Zealand predator-free New Zealand by 2050 and does New Zealand First predator-free New Zealand by 2050 and does New Zealand First cooperate and does New Zealand First cooperate with and does New Zealand First cooperate with the and does New Zealand First cooperate with the Minister's and does New Zealand First cooperate with the Minister's views? and does New Zealand First cooperate with the Minister's views? 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The Minister has got no oversight as to what our position is oversight as to what our position is as oversight as to what our position is as a oversight as to what our position is as a party oversight as to what our position is as a party and oversight as to what our position is as a party and it oversight as to what our position is as a party and it is oversight as to what our position is as a party and it is an oversight as to what our position is as a party and it is an outof oversight as to what our position is as a party and it is an outof line as a party and it is an outof line question. as a party and it is an outof line question. I as a party and it is an outof line question. I think as a party and it is an outof line question. I think it as a party and it is an outof line question. I think it is as a party and it is an outof line question. I think it is within as a party and it is an outof line question. I think it is within the question. I think it is within the ministerial question. I think it is within the ministerial responsibility question. I think it is within the ministerial responsibility to question. I think it is within the ministerial responsibility to seek ministerial responsibility to seek cooperation ministerial responsibility to seek cooperation on ministerial responsibility to seek cooperation on controversial ministerial responsibility to seek cooperation on controversial issues cooperation on controversial issues from cooperation on controversial issues from all cooperation on controversial issues from all parties cooperation on controversial issues from all parties in cooperation on controversial issues from all parties in Parliament cooperation on controversial issues from all parties in Parliament and from all parties in Parliament and certainly from all parties in Parliament and certainly those from all parties in Parliament and certainly those who from all parties in Parliament and certainly those who formed from all parties in Parliament and certainly those who formed part from all parties in Parliament and certainly those who formed part of certainly those who formed part of the certainly those who formed part of the government. certainly those who formed part of the government. 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To the Minister, does she stand by her 29 November does she stand by her 29 November does she stand by her 29 November does she stand by her 29 November refusal to does she stand by her 29 November refusal to answer does she stand by her 29 November refusal to answer an does she stand by her 29 November refusal to answer an Official refusal to answer an Official Information refusal to answer an Official Information Act refusal to answer an Official Information Act request refusal to answer an Official Information Act request made refusal to answer an Official Information Act request made on refusal to answer an Official Information Act request made on 20 Information Act request made on 20 Information Act request made on 20 Information Act request made on 20 November which Information Act request made on 20 November which sought Information Act request made on 20 November which sought a Information Act request made on 20 November which sought a list Information Act request made on 20 November which sought a list of Information Act request made on 20 November which sought a list of all November which sought a list of all reports, November which sought a list of all reports, briefings, November which sought a list of all reports, briefings, memos November which sought a list of all reports, briefings, memos or November which sought a list of all reports, briefings, memos or aid reports, briefings, memos or aid memoirs reports, briefings, memos or aid memoirs that reports, briefings, memos or aid memoirs that she reports, briefings, memos or aid memoirs that she had reports, briefings, memos or aid memoirs that she had received reports, briefings, memos or aid memoirs that she had received since memoirs that she had received since being memoirs that she had received since being sworn memoirs that she had received since being sworn in memoirs that she had received since being sworn in as memoirs that she had received since being sworn in as associate memoirs that she had received since being sworn in as associate Minister being sworn in as associate Minister of being sworn in as associate Minister of State being sworn in as associate Minister of State Services being sworn in as associate Minister of State Services on being sworn in as associate Minister of State Services on the being sworn in as associate Minister of State Services on the basis being sworn in as associate Minister of State Services on the basis that of State Services on the basis that the of State Services on the basis that the request of State Services on the basis that the request did of State Services on the basis that the request did not of State Services on the basis that the request did not meet of State Services on the basis that the request did not meet the the request did not meet the requirement the request did not meet the requirement to the request did not meet the requirement to be the request did not meet the requirement to be specified the request did not meet the requirement to be specified with the request did not meet the requirement to be specified with due requirement to be specified with due particulararty requirement to be specified with due particulararty as requirement to be specified with due particulararty as per requirement to be specified with due particulararty as per Section requirement to be specified with due particulararty as per Section 12(2) particulararty as per Section 12(2) particulararty as per Section 12(2) particulararty as per Section 12(2) of the particulararty as per Section 12(2) of the Official particulararty as per Section 12(2) of the Official Information particulararty as per Section 12(2) of the Official Information Act. particulararty as per Section 12(2) of the Official Information Act. 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We saw examples of that around KiwiRail, previous Government. We saw examples of that around KiwiRail, around previous Government. 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Will she follow ombudsman's guidance in the future ombudsman's guidance in the future with ombudsman's guidance in the future with respect ombudsman's guidance in the future with respect to ombudsman's guidance in the future with respect to responses ombudsman's guidance in the future with respect to responses to with respect to responses to Official with respect to responses to Official Information with respect to responses to Official Information Act with respect to responses to Official Information Act requests? Official Information Act requests? Generally Official Information Act requests? Generally we Official Information Act requests? Generally we do Official Information Act requests? Generally we do follow Official Information Act requests? 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This child with the uncommittee's guidance. This Government's guidance. This Government's commitments guidance. This Government's commitments align guidance. This Government's commitments align strongly guidance. This Government's commitments align strongly with guidance. This Government's commitments align strongly with the commitments align strongly with the recommendations commitments align strongly with the recommendations made. commitments align strongly with the recommendations made. For commitments align strongly with the recommendations made. For example, recommendations made. For example, child recommendations made. For example, child poverty recommendations made. For example, child poverty reduction, child poverty reduction, investigating child poverty reduction, investigating historic child poverty reduction, investigating historic abuse child poverty reduction, investigating historic abuse and investigating historic abuse and violence investigating historic abuse and violence towards investigating historic abuse and violence towards children investigating historic abuse and violence towards children in investigating historic abuse and violence towards children in state violence towards children in state care violence towards children in state care and violence towards children in state care and improving violence towards children in state care and improving housing care and improving housing affordability care and improving housing violence care and improving housing affordability and standards. care and improving housing affordability and standards. Does affordability and standards. Does the affordability and standards. Does the minister affordability and standards. Does the minister accept affordability and standards. Does the minister accept that affordability and standards. Does the minister accept that a affordability and standards. Does the minister accept that a child affordability and standards. Does the minister accept that a child has the minister accept that a child has the the minister accept that a child has the right the minister accept that a child has the right to the minister accept that a child has the right to know the minister accept that a child has the right to know their the minister accept that a child has the right to know their parents the minister accept that a child has the right to know their parents as the right to know their parents as per the right to know their parents as per Article the right to know their parents as per Article 7 the right to know their parents as per Article 7 of the right to know their parents as per Article 7 of the the right to know their parents as per Article 7 of the convention? the right to know their parents as per Article 7 of the convention? Mr per Article 7 of the convention? Mr Speaker, per Article 7 of the convention? Mr Speaker, I per Article 7 of the convention? Mr Speaker, I think per Article 7 of the convention? Mr Speaker, I think it per Article 7 of the convention? Mr Speaker, I think it is per Article 7 of the convention? Mr Speaker, I think it is generally Speaker, I think it is generally accepted Speaker, I think it is generally accepted that Speaker, I think it is generally accepted that every Speaker, I think it is generally accepted that every human Speaker, I think it is generally accepted that every human being Speaker, I think it is generally accepted that every human being has accepted that every human being has the accepted that every human being has the right accepted that every human being has the right to accepted that every human being has the right to know accepted that every human being has the right to know their accepted that every human being has the right to know their parents accepted that every human being has the right to know their parents but the right to know their parents but there the right to know their parents but there are the right to know their parents but there are times the right to know their parents but there are times for the right to know their parents but there are times for the the right to know their parents but there are times for the protection there are times for the protection of there are times for the protection of the there are times for the protection of the child, there are times for the protection of the child, it there are times for the protection of the child, it is there are times for the protection of the child, it is important there are times for the protection of the child, it is important that of the child, it is important that their of the child, it is important that their voice of the child, it is important that their voice is of the child, it is important that their voice is heard of the child, it is important that their voice is heard and of the child, it is important that their voice is heard and recognised their voice is heard and recognised inside their voice is heard and recognised inside some their voice is heard and recognised inside some of their voice is heard and recognised inside some of the their voice is heard and recognised inside some of the government inside some of the government procedures inside some of the government procedures and inside some of the government procedures and policies. inside some of the government procedures and policies. Does inside some of the government procedures and policies. Does she procedures and policies. Does she agree procedures and policies. Does she agree with procedures and policies. Does she agree with Article procedures and policies. Does she agree with Article 8 procedures and policies. Does she agree with Article 8 of procedures and policies. Does she agree with Article 8 of the agree with Article 8 of the convention agree with Article 8 of the convention that agree with Article 8 of the convention that states agree with Article 8 of the convention that states ta agree with Article 8 of the convention that states ta parties convention that states ta parties undertake convention that states ta parties undertake to convention that states ta parties undertake to respect convention that states ta parties undertake to respect the convention that states ta parties undertake to respect the right convention that states ta parties undertake to respect the right of undertake to respect the right of the undertake to respect the right of the child undertake to respect the right of the child to undertake to respect the right of the child to preserve undertake to respect the right of the child to preserve his undertake to respect the right of the child to preserve his or undertake to respect the right of the child to preserve his or her the child to preserve his or her identity, the child to preserve his or her identity, including the child to preserve his or her identity, including nationality, identity, including nationality, name identity, including nationality, name and identity, including nationality, name and family identity, including nationality, name and family relations, identity, including nationality, name and family relations, as name and family relations, as recognised name and family relations, as recognised by name and family relations, as recognised by law name and family relations, as recognised by law without name and family relations, as recognised by law without unlaugh recognised by law without unlaugh interference? recognised by law without unlaugh interference? 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Based on her answer will she oppose on her answer will she oppose legislation on her answer will she oppose legislation and on her answer will she oppose legislation and remove on her answer will she oppose legislation and remove the on her answer will she oppose legislation and remove the right on her answer will she oppose legislation and remove the right to legislation and remove the right to know legislation and remove the right to know their legislation and remove the right to know their children legislation and remove the right to know their children in legislation and remove the right to know their children in particular legislation and remove the right to know their children in particular 70 know their children in particular 70 (a) know their children in particular 70 (a) of know their children in particular 70 (a) of the know their children in particular 70 (a) of the social know their children in particular 70 (a) of the social security know their children in particular 70 (a) of the social security act? know their children in particular 70 (a) of the social security act? 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There are times for the protection of the child or for their protection of the child or for their remaining protection of the child or for their remaining parent, protection of the child or for their remaining parent, for protection of the child or for their remaining parent, for the protection of the child or for their remaining parent, for the other remaining parent, for the other parent, remaining parent, for the other parent, that remaining parent, for the other parent, that certain remaining parent, for the other parent, that certain information remaining parent, for the other parent, that certain information is parent, that certain information is not parent, that certain information is not recorded. parent, that certain information is not recorded. Does parent, that certain information is not recorded. Does she parent, that certain information is not recorded. Does she not not recorded. Does she not understand not recorded. Does she not understand then not recorded. 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I am very aware of the exemptions inside the legislation, exemptions inside the legislation, however exemptions inside the legislation, however penalising exemptions inside the legislation, however penalising the exemptions inside the legislation, however penalising the child's however penalising the child's family however penalising the child's family by however penalising the child's family by taking however penalising the child's family by taking away however penalising the child's family by taking away financial family by taking away financial support, family by taking away financial support, this family by taking away financial support, this government family by taking away financial support, this government does family by taking away financial support, this government does not support, this government does not believe support, this government does not believe is support, this government does not believe is appropriate. support, this government does not believe is appropriate. 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