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Is it his intention to continue his intention to continue hypothecation his intention to continue hypothecation of his intention to continue hypothecation of petrol his intention to continue hypothecation of petrol excise his intention to continue hypothecation of petrol excise tax hypothecation of petrol excise tax and hypothecation of petrol excise tax and road hypothecation of petrol excise tax and road user hypothecation of petrol excise tax and road user charges hypothecation of petrol excise tax and road user charges revenue hypothecation of petrol excise tax and road user charges revenue into and road user charges revenue into the and road user charges revenue into hypothecation and road user charges revenue into the national land and road user charges revenue into the national land transport and road user charges revenue into the national land transport fund? the national land transport fund? Mr the national land transport fund? Mr Speaker, the national land transport fund? Mr Speaker, yes. the national land transport fund? Mr Speaker, yes. Supplementary, the national land transport fund? Mr Speaker, yes. Supplementary, Mr Mr Speaker, yes. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, yes. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Will Mr Speaker, yes. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Will he Mr Speaker, yes. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Will he then Mr Speaker, yes. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Will he then insist Mr Speaker, yes. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. Will he then insist that Speaker. Will he then insist that the Speaker. Will he then insist that the revenue Speaker. Will he then insist that the revenue obtained Speaker. Will he then insist that the revenue obtained from Speaker. Will he then insist that the revenue obtained from the the revenue obtained from the regional the revenue obtained from the regional fuel the revenue obtained from the regional fuel tax the revenue obtained from the regional fuel tax in the revenue obtained from the regional fuel tax in Auckland the revenue obtained from the regional fuel tax in Auckland also regional fuel tax in Auckland also be regional fuel tax in Auckland also be hypothecated regional fuel tax in Auckland also be hypothecated to regional fuel tax in Auckland also be hypothecated to transport be hypothecated to transport projects be hypothecated to transport the be hypothecated to transport projects of the be hypothecated to transport projects of the Auckland be hypothecated to transport projects of the Auckland Council? be hypothecated to transport projects of the Auckland Council? Mr projects of the Auckland Council? Mr Speaker, projects of the Auckland Council? Mr Speaker, that projects of the Auckland Council? 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Supplementary, Mr Speaker. my expectation will be yes. Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What spending Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What spending restraint Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What spending restraint and Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What spending restraint and cost Supplementary, Mr Speaker. What spending restraint and cost controls spending restraint and cost controls will spending restraint and cost controls will he spending restraint and cost controls will he insist spending restraint and cost controls will he insist on spending restraint and cost controls will he insist on as spending restraint and cost controls will he insist on as Finance will he insist on as Finance Minister will he insist on as Finance spending will he insist on as Finance Minister as a will he insist on as Finance Minister as a condition will he insist on as Finance Minister as a condition of will he insist on as Finance Minister as a condition of the Minister as a condition of the Auckland Minister as a condition of the Auckland Council Minister as a condition of the Auckland Council being Minister as a condition of the Auckland Council being able Minister as a condition of the Auckland Council being able to Auckland Council being able to impose Auckland Council being able to impose a Auckland Council being able to impose a $150 Auckland Council being able to impose a $150 million Auckland Council being able to impose a $150 million per Auckland Council being able to impose a $150 million per year Auckland Council being able to impose a $150 million per year fuel impose a $150 million per year fuel tax impose a $150 million per year fuel tax on impose a $150 million per year fuel tax on so impose a $150 million per year fuel tax on so it impose a $150 million per year fuel tax on so it is impose a $150 million per year fuel tax on so it is actually impose a $150 million per year fuel tax on so it is actually spent impose a $150 million per year fuel tax on so it is actually spent on tax on so it is actually spent on transport tax on so it is actually spent on transport projects? tax on so it is actually spent on transport projects? Mr tax on so it is actually spent on transport projects? Mr Speaker, transport projects? Mr Speaker, we're transport projects? Mr Speaker, we're working transport projects? Mr Speaker, we're working closely transport projects? Mr Speaker, we're working closely with transport projects? Mr Speaker, we're working closely with the we're working closely with the Auckland we're working closely with the Auckland Council we're working closely with the Auckland Council to we're working closely with the Auckland Council to ensure we're working closely with the Auckland Council to ensure the Auckland Council to ensure the massive Auckland Council to ensure the massive funding Auckland Council to ensure the massive funding gap Auckland Council to ensure the massive funding gap that Auckland Council to ensure the massive funding gap that the massive funding gap that the National massive funding gap that the National Government massive funding gap that the National Government allowed massive funding gap that the National Government allowed to massive funding gap that the National Government allowed to grow National Government allowed to grow in National Government allowed to grow in the National Government allowed to grow in the auction National Government allowed to grow in the auction transport National Government allowed to grow in the auction transport plan National Government allowed to grow in the auction transport plan will in the auction transport plan will be in the auction transport plan will be closed in the auction transport plan will be closed and in the auction transport plan will be closed and we in the auction transport plan will be closed and we are in the auction transport plan will be closed and we are very in the auction transport plan will be closed and we are very confident be closed and we are very confident that be closed and we are very confident that we're be closed and we are very confident that we're the be closed and we are very confident that we're the government be closed and we are very confident that we're the government that be closed and we are very confident that we're the government that is that we're the government that is ambitious that we're the government that is ambitious for that we're the government that is ambitious for modern that we're the government that is ambitious for modern transport ambitious for modern transport solutions ambitious for modern transport be ambitious for modern transport solutions in Auckland ambitious for modern transport solutions in Auckland and ambitious for modern transport solutions in Auckland and we ambitious for modern transport solutions in Auckland and we can solutions in Auckland and we can form solutions in Auckland and we can form a solutions in Auckland and we can form a partnership solutions in Auckland and we can form a partnership with solutions in Auckland and we can form a partnership with the solutions in Auckland and we can form a partnership with the council form a partnership with the council to form a partnership with the council to achieve form a partnership with the council to achieve those form a partnership with the council to achieve those outcomes form a partnership with the council to achieve those outcomes for to achieve those outcomes for Aucklanders. Aucklanders. Supplementary. Aucklanders. Supplementary. Given Aucklanders. Supplementary. Given the Aucklanders. Supplementary. Given the Auckland Supplementary. Given the Auckland Council's Supplementary. Given the Auckland Council's turnover Supplementary. Given the Auckland Council's turnover has Supplementary. Given the Auckland Council's turnover has gone Supplementary. Given the Auckland Council's turnover has gone up Council's turnover has gone up hugely Council's turnover has gone up Council's Council's turnover has gone up hugely in the Council's turnover has gone up hugely in the last Council's turnover has gone up hugely in the last four Council's turnover has gone up hugely in the last four years, Council's turnover has gone up hugely in the last four years, and hugely in the last four years, and that hugely in the last four years, and that its hugely in the last four years, and that its wage hugely in the last four years, and that its wage bill hugely in the last four years, and that its wage bill has hugely in the last four years, and that its wage bill has gone hugely in the last four years, and that its wage bill has gone up that its wage bill has gone up hugely that its wage bill has gone up hugely and that its wage bill has gone up hugely and Aucklanders that its wage bill has gone up hugely and Aucklanders are hugely and Aucklanders are suspicious hugely and Aucklanders are suspicious about hugely and Aucklanders are suspicious about their hugely and Aucklanders are suspicious about their spending hugely and Aucklanders are suspicious about their spending of suspicious about their spending of their suspicious about their spending of their rate suspicious about their spending of their rate payers suspicious about their spending of their rate payers money, suspicious about their spending of their rate payers money, how suspicious about their spending of their rate payers money, how can suspicious about their spending of their rate payers money, how can he their rate payers money, how can he reassure their rate payers money, how can he reassure Aucklanders their rate payers money, how can he reassure Aucklanders that their rate payers money, how can he reassure Aucklanders that the their rate payers money, how can he reassure Aucklanders that the money reassure Aucklanders that the money from reassure Aucklanders that the money from the reassure Aucklanders that the money from the regional reassure Aucklanders that the money from the regional fuel reassure Aucklanders that the money from the regional fuel tax reassure Aucklanders that the money from the regional fuel tax won't reassure Aucklanders that the money from the regional fuel tax won't go from the regional fuel tax won't go the from the regional fuel tax won't go the same from the regional fuel tax won't go the same way from the regional fuel tax won't go the same way when from the regional fuel tax won't go the same way when they from the regional fuel tax won't go the same way when they that from the regional fuel tax won't go the same way when they that is from the regional fuel tax won't go the same way when they that is the the same way when they that is the record the same way when they that is the record of... the same way when they that is the record of... 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Had two un-Nesbitts before the question, and I think we will the question, and I think we will let the question, and I think we will let the the question, and I think we will let the minister the question, and I think we will let the minister answer the question, and I think we will let the minister answer the let the minister answer the question. let the minister answer the question. Mr let the minister answer the question. Mr Speaker, let the minister answer the question. Mr Speaker, we let the minister answer the question. Mr Speaker, we are let the minister answer the question. Mr Speaker, we are working question. Mr Speaker, we are working with question. Mr Speaker, we are working with the question. Mr Speaker, we are working with the Auckland question. Mr Speaker, we are working with the Auckland Council question. Mr Speaker, we are working with the Auckland Council to question. Mr Speaker, we are working with the Auckland Council to ensure with the Auckland Council to ensure that with the Auckland Council to ensure that we with the Auckland Council to ensure that we fill with the Auckland Council to ensure that we fill the with the Auckland Council to ensure that we fill the massive with the Auckland Council to ensure that we fill the massive funding with the Auckland Council to ensure that we fill the massive funding gap that we fill the massive funding gap left that we fill the massive funding gap left by that we fill the massive funding gap left by the that we fill the massive funding gap left by the previous that we fill the massive funding gap left by the previous national left by the previous national government. left by the previous national government. We left by the previous national government. We won't left by the previous national government. We won't be left by the previous national government. We won't be forcing left by the previous national government. We won't be forcing the government. We won't be forcing the Auckland government. We won't be forcing the Auckland Council government. We won't be forcing the Auckland Council to government. We won't be forcing the Auckland Council to sell government. We won't be forcing the Auckland Council to sell assets government. We won't be forcing the Auckland Council to sell assets in Auckland Council to sell assets in some Auckland Council to sell assets in some mad Auckland Council to sell assets in some mad ideological Auckland Council to sell assets in some mad ideological experiment Auckland Council to sell assets in some mad ideological experiment as some mad ideological experiment as he some mad ideological experiment as some some mad ideological experiment as he wanted to some mad ideological experiment as he wanted to do. he wanted to do. <INTERRUPTION> My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Has Housing and Urban Development: Has he Housing and Urban Development: Has he been Housing and Urban Development: Has he been informed Housing and Urban Development: Has he been informed of Housing and Urban Development: Has he been informed of any Housing and Urban Development: Has he been informed of any funding he been informed of any funding problems he been informed of any funding problems in he been informed of any funding problems in emergency he been informed of any funding problems in emergency and problems in emergency and transitional problems in emergency and transitional housing? 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Housing first, the emergency and transitional housing. Housing first, the agreed emergency and transitional housing. 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This the end of this financial year. This underfunding the end of this financial year. This underfunding helped the end of this financial year. This underfunding helped the the end of this financial year. This underfunding helped the previous underfunding helped the previous government's underfunding helped the previous government's budget underfunding helped the previous government's budget projections underfunding helped the previous government's budget projections look government's budget projections look better government's budget projections look better but government's budget projections look better but it government's budget projections look better but it didn't government's budget projections look better but it didn't reflect government's budget projections look better but it didn't reflect the better but it didn't reflect the real better but it didn't reflect the real costs better but it didn't reflect the real costs of better but it didn't reflect the real costs of the better but it didn't reflect the real costs of the policies. real costs of the policies. Supplementary. real costs of the policies. Supplementary. Why real costs of the policies. Supplementary. Why does real costs of the policies. Supplementary. Why does funding real costs of the policies. Supplementary. Why does funding for Supplementary. Why does funding for 100 Supplementary. Why does funding for 100 front-line Supplementary. Why does funding for 100 front-line house Supplementary. Why does funding for 100 front-line house staff Supplementary. Why does funding for 100 front-line house staff run Supplementary. Why does funding for 100 front-line house staff run out 100 front-line house staff run out at 100 front-line house staff run out at the 100 front-line house staff run out at the end 100 front-line house staff run out at the end of 100 front-line house staff run out at the end of this 100 front-line house staff run out at the end of this financial 100 front-line house staff run out at the end of this financial year? at the end of this financial year? Well, at the end of this financial year? Well, Mr at the end of this financial year? Well, Mr Speaker, at the end of this financial year? Well, Mr Speaker, in at the end of this financial year? Well, Mr Speaker, in 2016100 at the end of this financial year? Well, Mr Speaker, in 2016100 more Well, Mr Speaker, in 2016100 more Well, Mr Speaker, in 2016100 more Well, Mr Speaker, in 2016100 more front-line staff Well, Mr Speaker, in 2016100 more front-line staff were Well, Mr Speaker, in 2016100 more front-line staff were hired Well, Mr Speaker, in 2016100 more front-line staff were hired in front-line staff were hired in response front-line staff were hired in front-line front-line staff were hired in response to the front-line staff were hired in response to the growing front-line staff were hired in response to the growing number front-line staff were hired in response to the growing number of response to the growing number of families response to the growing number of families facing response to the growing number of families facing homelessness, response to the growing number of families facing homelessness, but families facing homelessness, but the families facing homelessness, but the funding families facing homelessness, but the funding for families facing homelessness, but the funding for the families facing homelessness, but the funding for the staff families facing homelessness, but the funding for the staff was families facing homelessness, but the funding for the staff was not the funding for the staff was not made the funding for the staff was not made permanent the funding for the staff was not made permanent in the funding for the staff was not made permanent in Budget the funding for the staff was not made permanent in Budget 2017. made permanent in Budget 2017. 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No. I'm very happy and erefer the No. I'm very happy and erefer the member No. I'm very happy and erefer the member to No. I'm very happy and erefer the member to Speaker's No. I'm very happy and erefer the member to Speaker's ruling No. I'm very happy and erefer the member to Speaker's ruling 159, member to Speaker's ruling 159, maybe member to Speaker's ruling 159, maybe number member to Speaker's ruling 159, maybe number 2. member to Speaker's ruling 159, maybe number 2. The member to Speaker's ruling 159, maybe number 2. The minister member to Speaker's ruling 159, maybe number 2. The minister can maybe number 2. The minister can address maybe number 2. The minister can address the maybe number 2. The minister can address the activities maybe number 2. The minister can address the activities of maybe number 2. The minister can address the activities of previous address the activities of previous governments address the activities of previous governments if address the activities of previous governments if he address the activities of previous governments if he is address the activities of previous governments if he is required address the activities of previous governments if he is required to governments if he is required to take governments if he is required to take some governments if he is required to take some action governments if he is required to take some action as governments if he is required to take some action as a governments if he is required to take some action as a result. take some action as a result. I take some action as a result. I - take some action as a result. I - unless take some action as a result. I - unless there's take some action as a result. I - unless there's a take some action as a result. I - unless there's a new take some action as a result. I - unless there's a new fact take some action as a result. I - unless there's a new fact that I - unless there's a new fact that we're I - unless there's a new fact that we're missing I - unless there's a new fact that we're missing out I - unless there's a new fact that we're missing out on, I - unless there's a new fact that we're missing out on, I I - unless there's a new fact that we're missing out on, I think I - unless there's a new fact that we're missing out on, I think Mr we're missing out on, I think Mr Twyford we're missing out on, I think Mr Twyford has we're missing out on, I think Mr Twyford has probably we're missing out on, I think Mr Twyford has probably finished we're missing out on, I think Mr Twyford has probably finished his Twyford has probably finished his supplementary Twyford has probably finished his Twyford supplementary answer. Supplementary supplementary answer. Supplementary question. supplementary answer. Supplementary question. What supplementary answer. Supplementary question. What is supplementary answer. Supplementary question. What is the Supplementary question. What is the minister Supplementary question. What is the minister going Supplementary question. What is the minister going to Supplementary question. What is the minister going to do. Supplementary question. What is the minister going to do. Sorry, Supplementary question. What is the minister going to do. Sorry, a Supplementary question. What is the minister going to do. Sorry, a point minister going to do. Sorry, a point of minister going to do. Sorry, a point of order, minister going to do. Sorry, a point of order, the minister going to do. Sorry, a point of order, the Hon minister going to do. Sorry, a point of order, the Hon Steven minister going to do. Sorry, a point of order, the Hon Steven Joyce. minister going to do. Sorry, a point of order, the Hon Steven Joyce. Mr of order, the Hon Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, of order, the Hon Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, reflecting of order, the Hon Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, reflecting on of order, the Hon Steven Joyce. Mr Speaker, reflecting on the Speaker, reflecting on the particular Speaker, reflecting on the of Speaker, reflecting on the particular ruling you Speaker, reflecting on the particular ruling you identified. particular ruling you identified. No. particular ruling you identified. No. The particular ruling you identified. No. The member particular ruling you identified. No. The member will particular ruling you identified. No. The member will resume particular ruling you identified. No. The member will resume his particular ruling you identified. No. The member will resume his seat No. The member will resume his seat now. No. The member will resume his seat now. The No. The member will resume his seat now. The member No. The member will resume his seat now. The member doesn't No. The member will resume his seat now. The member doesn't reflect No. The member will resume his seat now. The member doesn't reflect on No. The member will resume his seat now. The member doesn't reflect on a now. The member doesn't reflect on a ruling now. The member doesn't reflect on a ruling that now. The member doesn't reflect on a ruling that I've now. The member doesn't reflect on a ruling that I've made now. The member doesn't reflect on a ruling that I've made at now. The member doesn't reflect on a ruling that I've made at all. now. The member doesn't reflect on a ruling that I've made at all. And ruling that I've made at all. And certainly ruling that I've made at all. And certainly not ruling that I've made at all. And certainly not after ruling that I've made at all. And certainly not after we'd ruling that I've made at all. And certainly not after we'd moved ruling that I've made at all. And certainly not after we'd moved on ruling that I've made at all. 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The Government is currently spending about $90,000 a houses. The Government is currently spending about $90,000 a day houses. 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Mr should be required to have a licence? Mr Speaker, should be required to have a licence? Mr Speaker, no. should be required to have a licence? Mr Speaker, no. Will should be required to have a licence? Mr Speaker, no. Will the licence? Mr Speaker, no. Will the licence? Mr Speaker, no. Will the licence? Mr Speaker, no. Will the Government announce licence? Mr Speaker, no. Will the Government announce that licence? Mr Speaker, no. Will the Government announce that all licence? Mr Speaker, no. Will the Government announce that all water Government announce that all water craft Government announce that all water craft supporting Government announce that all water craft supporting recreational craft supporting recreational fishers, craft supporting recreational fishers, should craft supporting recreational fishers, should be craft supporting recreational fishers, should be registered craft supporting recreational fishers, should be registered as fishers, should be registered as craft fishers, should be registered as craft over fishers, should be registered as craft over and fishers, should be registered as craft over and above fishers, should be registered as craft over and above their fishers, should be registered as craft over and above their trailers? craft over and above their trailers? Mr craft over and above their trailers? Mr Speaker, craft over and above their trailers? Mr Speaker, no. craft over and above their trailers? Mr Speaker, no. Are craft over and above their trailers? Mr Speaker, no. Are there craft over and above their trailers? Mr Speaker, no. Are there any Mr Speaker, no. Are there any recommendations Mr Speaker, no. Are there any recommendations in Mr Speaker, no. Are there any recommendations in the Mr Speaker, no. Are there any recommendations in the report, Mr Speaker, no. Are there any recommendations in the report, the recommendations in the report, the recommendations in the report, the recommendations in the report, the future Catch, recommendations in the report, the future Catch, that recommendations in the report, the future Catch, that he recommendations in the report, the future Catch, that he does recommendations in the report, the future Catch, that he does intend recommendations in the report, the future Catch, that he does intend to future Catch, that he does intend to implement? future Catch, that he does intend to implement? Certainly future Catch, that he does intend to implement? 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The current estimates is that there are current estimates is that there are 76,000 current estimates is that there are 76,000 students current estimates is that there are 76,000 students eligible current estimates is that there are 76,000 students eligible for current estimates is that there are 76,000 students eligible for fees 76,000 students eligible for fees free 76,000 students eligible for fees free next 76,000 students eligible for fees free next year 76,000 students eligible for fees free next year and 76,000 students eligible for fees free next year and around 76,000 students eligible for fees free next year and around 6,000 free next year and around 6,000 free next year and around 6,000 free next year and around 6,000 apprentices and free next year and around 6,000 apprentices and trainees. free next year and around 6,000 apprentices and trainees. These apprentices and trainees. These apprentices and trainees. These apprentices and trainees. These students include apprentices and trainees. These students include around apprentices and trainees. These students include around 31,000 students include around 31,000 school students include around 31,000 school leavers students include around 31,000 school leavers but students include around 31,000 school leavers but a students include around 31,000 school leavers but a majority, school leavers but a majority, 44,000, school leavers but a majority, 44,000, will school leavers but a majority, 44,000, will be school leavers but a majority, 44,000, will be older school leavers but a majority, 44,000, will be older students, school leavers but a majority, 44,000, will be older students, an 44,000, will be older students, an estimated 44,000, will be older students, an estimated 50,000 44,000, will be older students, an estimated 50,000 learners 44,000, will be older students, an estimated 50,000 learners will 44,000, will be older students, an estimated 50,000 learners will be 44,000, will be older students, an estimated 50,000 learners will be in estimated 50,000 learners will be in polytechnics estimated 50,000 learners will be in polytechnics or estimated 50,000 learners will be in polytechnics or industry estimated 50,000 learners will be in polytechnics or industry training polytechnics or industry training compared polytechnics or industry training compared to polytechnics or industry training compared to 30,000 polytechnics or industry training compared to 30,000 at polytechnics or industry training compared to 30,000 at university. compared to 30,000 at university. How compared to 30,000 at university. How many compared to 30,000 at university. How many extra compared to 30,000 at university. How many extra New compared to 30,000 at university. How many extra New Zealanders compared to 30,000 at university. 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Question No. don't think his memory's that bad. Question No. 11. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Does My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Does she My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Does she stand Social Development: Does she stand by Social Development: Does she stand by all Social Development: Does she stand by all her Social Development: Does she stand by all her statements Social Development: Does she stand by all her statements regarding by all her statements regarding sanctions? Yes. Yes. Supplementary. Yes. Supplementary. Will Yes. Supplementary. Will the Yes. Supplementary. Will the Government Yes. Supplementary. Will the Government be Yes. Supplementary. Will the Government be removing Yes. Supplementary. Will the Government be removing the Yes. Supplementary. Will the Government be removing the sanction Government be removing the sanction Government be removing the sanction Government be removing the sanction on those Government be removing the sanction on those people Government be removing the sanction on those people who Government be removing the sanction on those people who repeatedly Government be removing the sanction on those people who repeatedly don't on those people who repeatedly don't turn on those people who repeatedly don't turn up on those people who repeatedly don't turn up to on those people who repeatedly don't turn up to appointments on those people who repeatedly don't turn up to appointments with on those people who repeatedly don't turn up to appointments with the turn up to appointments with the Ministry turn up to appointments with the Ministry of turn up to appointments with the Ministry of Social turn up to appointments with the Ministry of Social Development? turn up to appointments with the Ministry of Social Development? 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