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It's actually included in the last line of the included in the last line of the question included in the last line of the question and included in the last line of the question and if included in the last line of the question and if the included in the last line of the question and if the member included in the last line of the question and if the member doesn't question and if the member doesn't want question and if the member doesn't want his question and if the member doesn't want his colleague question and if the member doesn't want his colleague to question and if the member doesn't want his colleague to talk question and if the member doesn't want his colleague to talk about want his colleague to talk about KiwiBuild want his colleague to talk about KiwiBuild houses, want his colleague to talk about KiwiBuild houses, should want his colleague to talk about KiwiBuild houses, should be want his colleague to talk about KiwiBuild houses, should be left want his colleague to talk about KiwiBuild houses, should be left out KiwiBuild houses, should be left out of KiwiBuild houses, should be left out of the KiwiBuild houses, should be left out of the question. of the question. The of the question. The Hon of the question. The Hon Phil of the question. The Hon Phil Twyford. of the question. The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild of the question. The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild is of the question. The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild is a The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild is a direct The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild is a direct is The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild is a direct is a The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild is a direct is a direct The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild is a direct is a direct intervention The Hon Phil Twyford. KiwiBuild is a direct is a direct intervention in direct is a direct intervention in response direct is a direct intervention in response to direct is a direct intervention in response to the direct is a direct intervention in response to the failure direct is a direct intervention in response to the failure of direct is a direct intervention in response to the failure of the response to the failure of the market response to the failure of the market to response to the failure of the market to build response to the failure of the market to build affordable response to the failure of the market to build affordable homes. market to build affordable homes. I'm market to build affordable homes. I'm advised market to build affordable homes. I'm advised there market to build affordable homes. I'm advised there is market to build affordable homes. I'm advised there is a market to build affordable homes. I'm advised there is a shortfall market to build affordable homes. I'm advised there is a shortfall of I'm advised there is a shortfall of 45,000 I'm advised there is a shortfall of 45,000 homes I'm advised there is a shortfall of 45,000 homes in I'm advised there is a shortfall of 45,000 homes in Auckland I'm advised there is a shortfall of 45,000 homes in Auckland that I'm advised there is a shortfall of 45,000 homes in Auckland that built 45,000 homes in Auckland that built up 45,000 homes in Auckland that built up over 45,000 homes in Auckland that built up over six 45,000 homes in Auckland that built up over six years 45,000 homes in Auckland that built up over six years and 45,000 homes in Auckland that built up over six years and this 45,000 homes in Auckland that built up over six years and this is up over six years and this is growing up over six years and this is growing by up over six years and this is growing by around up over six years and this is growing by around 7,000 up over six years and this is growing by around 7,000 homes up over six years and this is growing by around 7,000 homes per growing by around 7,000 homes per year, growing by around 7,000 homes per year, meaning growing by around 7,000 homes per year, meaning that growing by around 7,000 homes per year, meaning that the growing by around 7,000 homes per year, meaning that the shortfall year, meaning that the shortfall could year, meaning that the shortfall could double year, meaning that the shortfall could double in year, meaning that the shortfall could double in the year, meaning that the shortfall could double in the next year, meaning that the shortfall could double in the next six year, meaning that the shortfall could double in the next six years could double in the next six years unless could double in the next six years unless things could double in the next six years unless things change. unless things change. Order! unless things change. Order! That's unless things change. Order! That's enough. unless things change. Order! That's enough. Thank unless things change. Order! That's enough. Thank you. unless things change. Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Rt Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Rt Hon Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Rt Hon Winston Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask Order! That's enough. Thank you. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask the minister Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask the minister as Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask the minister as to Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask the minister as to whether Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask the minister as to whether or Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask the minister as to whether or not Rt Hon Winston Peters. Can I ask the minister as to whether or not these minister as to whether or not these unit minister as to whether or not these unit also minister as to whether or not these unit also go minister as to whether or not these unit also go for minister as to whether or not these unit also go for as minister as to whether or not these unit also go for as low minister as to whether or not these unit also go for as low as minister as to whether or not these unit also go for as low as $25,000, unit also go for as low as $25,000, which unit also go for as low as $25,000, which is unit also go for as low as $25,000, which is the unit also go for as low as $25,000, which is the news unit also go for as low as $25,000, which is the news in unit also go for as low as $25,000, which is the news in the unit also go for as low as $25,000, which is the news in the last unit also go for as low as $25,000, which is the news in the last 24 which is the news in the last 24 hours, which is the news in the last 24 hours, of which is the news in the last 24 hours, of units which is the news in the last 24 hours, of units sold which is the news in the last 24 hours, of units sold in which is the news in the last 24 hours, of units sold in Auckland which is the news in the last 24 hours, of units sold in Auckland for hours, of units sold in Auckland for as hours, of units sold in Auckland for as low hours, of units sold in Auckland for as low as hours, of units sold in Auckland for as low as that hours, of units sold in Auckland for as low as that because hours, of units sold in Auckland for as low as that because they hours, of units sold in Auckland for as low as that because they are as low as that because they are rotten, as low as that because they are rotten, defective as low as that because they are rotten, defective and as low as that because they are rotten, defective and failed rotten, defective and failed services rotten, defective and failed services as rotten, defective and failed services as a rotten, defective and failed services as a result rotten, defective and failed services as a result of rotten, defective and failed services as a result of having rotten, defective and failed services as a result of having been services as a result of having been built services as a result of having been built by services as a result of having been built by the services as a result of having been built by the National services as a result of having been built by the National Party? built by the National Party? Order! built by the National Party? Order! I built by the National Party? Order! I think built by the National Party? Order! I think just built by the National Party? Order! I think just like built by the National Party? Order! I think just like the Order! I think just like the minister Order! I think just like the minister doesn't Order! I think just like the minister doesn't build Order! I think just like the minister doesn't build houses, Order! I think just like the minister doesn't build houses, I minister doesn't build houses, I don't minister doesn't build houses, I don't think minister doesn't build houses, I don't think the minister doesn't build houses, I don't think the National minister doesn't build houses, I don't think the National Party minister doesn't build houses, I don't think the National Party did don't think the National Party did either. don't think the National Party did either. The don't think the National Party did either. The Hon don't think the National Party did either. The Hon Judith don't think the National Party did either. The Hon Judith Collins. don't think the National Party did either. The Hon Judith Collins. So either. The Hon Judith Collins. So who either. The Hon Judith Collins. So who is either. The Hon Judith Collins. So who is going either. The Hon Judith Collins. So who is going to either. The Hon Judith Collins. So who is going to build either. The Hon Judith Collins. So who is going to build all either. The Hon Judith Collins. So who is going to build all of either. The Hon Judith Collins. So who is going to build all of these who is going to build all of these extra who is going to build all of these extra houses who is going to build all of these extra houses that who is going to build all of these extra houses that the who is going to build all of these extra houses that the minister who is going to build all of these extra houses that the minister is extra houses that the minister is promises extra houses that the minister is promises at extra houses that the minister is promises at Unitec? extra houses that the minister is promises at Unitec? Where extra houses that the minister is promises at Unitec? Where the extra houses that the minister is promises at Unitec? Where the car promises at Unitec? Where the car penters promises at Unitec? Where the car penters and promises at Unitec? Where the car penters and electricians promises at Unitec? Where the car penters and electricians coming penters and electricians coming from? from? We from? We have from? We have a from? We have a strategy from? We have a strategy in from? We have a strategy in place from? We have a strategy in place to from? We have a strategy in place to train We have a strategy in place to train up We have a strategy in place to train up the We have a strategy in place to train up the workforce We have a strategy in place to train up the workforce and We have a strategy in place to train up the workforce and aggressively up the workforce and aggressively recruit up the workforce and aggressively recruit skilled up the workforce and aggressively recruit skilled tradespeople up the workforce and aggressively recruit skilled tradespeople to recruit skilled tradespeople to build recruit skilled tradespeople to build these recruit skilled tradespeople to build these houses, recruit skilled tradespeople to build these houses, something recruit skilled tradespeople to build these houses, something that build these houses, something that the build these houses, something that the former build these houses, something that the former government build these houses, something that the former government should build these houses, something that the former government should have the former government should have been the former government should have been doing the former government should have been doing for the former government should have been doing for nine the former government should have been doing for nine years. been doing for nine years. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> When <INTERRUPTION> When the <INTERRUPTION> When the minister <INTERRUPTION> When the minister has <INTERRUPTION> When the minister has advised <INTERRUPTION> When the minister has advised the When the minister has advised the media When the minister has advised the media that When the minister has advised the media that he When the minister has advised the media that he is When the minister has advised the media that he is planning When the minister has advised the media that he is planning to When the minister has advised the media that he is planning to import media that he is planning to import people media that he is planning to import people to media that he is planning to import people to assist media that he is planning to import people to assist with media that he is planning to import people to assist with this media that he is planning to import people to assist with this process, people to assist with this process, where people to assist with this process, where are people to assist with this process, where are they people to assist with this process, where are they going people to assist with this process, where are they going to people to assist with this process, where are they going to live? where are they going to live? They're where are they going to live? They're going where are they going to live? They're going to where are they going to live? They're going to live where are they going to live? They're going to live in where are they going to live? They're going to live in houses. They're going to live in houses. They're They're going to live in houses. They're going They're going to live in houses. They're going to They're going to live in houses. They're going to build They're going to live in houses. They're going to build a They're going to live in houses. They're going to build a lot They're going to live in houses. They're going to build a lot of They're going to build a lot of houses, They're going to build a lot of houses, the They're going to build a lot of houses, the houses They're going to build a lot of houses, the houses that They're going to build a lot of houses, the houses that government houses, the houses that government failed houses, the houses that government failed to houses, the houses that government failed to build houses, the houses that government failed to build over houses, the houses that government failed to build over nine houses, the houses that government failed to build over nine long failed to build over nine long years. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Regional My question is to the Minister for Regional Economic My question is to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: My question is to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: What Regional Economic Development: What exactly Regional Economic Development: What exactly is Regional Economic Development: What exactly is the Regional Economic Development: What exactly is the Government Regional Economic Development: What exactly is the Government purchasing exactly is the Government purchasing with exactly is the Government purchasing with the exactly is the Government purchasing with the Provincial exactly is the Government purchasing with the Provincial Growth exactly is the Government purchasing with the Provincial Growth Fund's with the Provincial Growth Fund's $5.8 with the Provincial Growth Fund's $5.8 million with the Provincial Growth Fund's $5.8 million payment with the Provincial Growth Fund's $5.8 million payment to with the Provincial Growth Fund's $5.8 million payment to the with the Provincial Growth Fund's $5.8 million payment to the Minginui $5.8 million payment to the Minginui Nursery, $5.8 million payment to the Minginui Nursery, and $5.8 million payment to the Minginui Nursery, and what $5.8 million payment to the Minginui Nursery, and what will $5.8 million payment to the Minginui Nursery, and what will the Nursery, and what will the Government Nursery, and what will the Government purchase Nursery, and what will the Government purchase with Nursery, and what will the Government purchase with the Nursery, and what will the Government purchase with the $6 Government purchase with the $6 million Government purchase with the $6 million payment Government purchase with the $6 million payment to Government purchase with the $6 million payment to the Government purchase with the $6 million payment to the Ngati Government purchase with the $6 million payment to the Ngati Hine million payment to the Ngati Hine Forestry million payment to the Ngati Hine Forestry Trust, million payment to the Ngati Hine Forestry Trust, the million payment to the Ngati Hine Forestry Trust, the announcement million payment to the Ngati Hine Forestry Trust, the announcement of Forestry Trust, the announcement of which Forestry Trust, the announcement of which he Forestry Trust, the announcement of which he said Forestry Trust, the announcement of which he said last Forestry Trust, the announcement of which he said last week Forestry Trust, the announcement of which he said last week "is which he said last week "is imminent"? The The Hon The Hon Shane The Hon Shane Jones. The Hon Shane Jones. Mr The Hon Shane Jones. Mr Speaker, The Hon Shane Jones. Mr Speaker, the The Hon Shane Jones. Mr Speaker, the funding The Hon Shane Jones. Mr Speaker, the funding for The Hon Shane Jones. Mr Speaker, the funding for the The Hon Shane Jones. Mr Speaker, the funding for the Minginui The Hon Shane Jones. Mr Speaker, the funding for the Minginui nursery The Hon Shane Jones. Mr Speaker, the funding for the Minginui nursery and funding for the Minginui nursery and for funding for the Minginui nursery and for the funding for the Minginui nursery and for the learning funding for the Minginui nursery and for the learning of funding for the Minginui nursery and for the learning of the funding for the Minginui nursery and for the learning of the member, for the learning of the member, Minginui for the learning of the member, Minginui is for the learning of the member, Minginui is a for the learning of the member, Minginui is a neglected, for the learning of the member, Minginui is a neglected, forsaken Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place in Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place in the Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place in the area Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place in the area that Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place in the area that is Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place in the area that is a Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place in the area that is a long Minginui is a neglected, forsaken place in the area that is a long way place in the area that is a long way from place in the area that is a long way from metropolitan place in the area that is a long way from metropolitan New place in the area that is a long way from metropolitan New Zealand. place in the area that is a long way from metropolitan New Zealand. It place in the area that is a long way from metropolitan New Zealand. It is from metropolitan New Zealand. It is our from metropolitan New Zealand. It is our intention from metropolitan New Zealand. It is our intention over from metropolitan New Zealand. It is our intention over the from metropolitan New Zealand. It is our intention over the next from metropolitan New Zealand. It is our intention over the next three our intention over the next three years our intention over the next three years a our intention over the next three years a scale-up our intention over the next three years a scale-up enterprise our intention over the next three years a scale-up enterprise will years a scale-up enterprise will take years a scale-up enterprise will take place years a scale-up enterprise will take place where years a scale-up enterprise will take place where native years a scale-up enterprise will take place where native seedlings years a scale-up enterprise will take place where native seedlings of take place where native seedlings of up take place where native seedlings of up to take place where native seedlings of up to one take place where native seedlings of up to one million take place where native seedlings of up to one million a take place where native seedlings of up to one million a year take place where native seedlings of up to one million a year will take place where native seedlings of up to one million a year will be up to one million a year will be made up to one million a year will be made available up to one million a year will be made available for up to one million a year will be made available for the up to one million a year will be made available for the billion-tree made available for the billion-tree strategy made available for the billion-tree strategy and made available for the billion-tree strategy and that made available for the billion-tree strategy and that investment made available for the billion-tree strategy and that investment will made available for the billion-tree strategy and that investment will be strategy and that investment will be alongside strategy and that investment will be alongside the strategy and that investment will be alongside the scientific strategy and that investment will be alongside the scientific and alongside the scientific and technological alongside the scientific and technological expertise alongside the scientific and technological expertise of alongside the scientific and technological expertise of the technological expertise of the programme. technological expertise of the programme. It technological expertise of the programme. It will technological expertise of the programme. It will generate technological expertise of the programme. It will generate jobs technological expertise of the programme. It will generate jobs and programme. It will generate jobs and expand programme. It will generate jobs and expand the programme. It will generate jobs and expand the opportunities programme. It will generate jobs and expand the opportunities in programme. It will generate jobs and expand the opportunities in the programme. It will generate jobs and expand the opportunities in the area expand the opportunities in the area described expand the opportunities in the area described by expand the opportunities in the area described by the expand the opportunities in the area described by the former expand the opportunities in the area described by the former Treaty described by the former Treaty Minister described by the former Treaty Minister as described by the former Treaty Minister as atrocious. Minister as atrocious. Supplementary. Minister as atrocious. Supplementary. To Minister as atrocious. Supplementary. To the Minister as atrocious. Supplementary. To the minister Minister as atrocious. Supplementary. To the minister - Minister as atrocious. Supplementary. To the minister - who Supplementary. To the minister - who will Supplementary. To the minister - who will own Supplementary. To the minister - who will own the Supplementary. To the minister - who will own the seedlingings Supplementary. To the minister - who will own the seedlingings grown Supplementary. To the minister - who will own the seedlingings grown in will own the seedlingings grown in the will own the seedlingings grown in the nursery will own the seedlingings grown in the nursery and will own the seedlingings grown in the nursery and the will own the seedlingings grown in the nursery and the trees will own the seedlingings grown in the nursery and the trees grown will own the seedlingings grown in the nursery and the trees grown on the nursery and the trees grown on Ngati the nursery and the trees grown on Ngati Hine the nursery and the trees grown on Ngati Hine land? Ngati Hine land? Starting Ngati Hine land? Starting with Ngati Hine land? Starting with the Ngati Hine land? Starting with the latter Ngati Hine land? Starting with the latter part, Ngati Hine land? Starting with the latter part, Hine, Starting with the latter part, Hine, of Starting with the latter part, Hine, of the Starting with the latter part, Hine, of the certain Starting with the latter part, Hine, of the certain tribe, Starting with the latter part, Hine, of the certain tribe, they Starting with the latter part, Hine, of the certain tribe, they are Starting with the latter part, Hine, of the certain tribe, they are in of the certain tribe, they are in the of the certain tribe, they are in the midst of the certain tribe, they are in the midst of of the certain tribe, they are in the midst of commercial of the certain tribe, they are in the midst of commercial negotiations the midst of commercial negotiations and the midst of commercial negotiations and it the midst of commercial negotiations and it would the midst of commercial negotiations and it would be the midst of commercial negotiations and it would be unwise the midst of commercial negotiations and it would be unwise of the midst of commercial negotiations and it would be unwise of me the midst of commercial negotiations and it would be unwise of me prior and it would be unwise of me prior to and it would be unwise of me prior to their and it would be unwise of me prior to their fulfilment and it would be unwise of me prior to their fulfilment to and it would be unwise of me prior to their fulfilment to talk and it would be unwise of me prior to their fulfilment to talk any to their fulfilment to talk any further to their fulfilment to talk any further about to their fulfilment to talk any further about it. to their fulfilment to talk any further about it. On to their fulfilment to talk any further about it. On the to their fulfilment to talk any further about it. On the question to their fulfilment to talk any further about it. On the question of further about it. On the question of the further about it. On the question of the seedlingings, further about it. On the question of the seedlingings, that further about it. On the question of the seedlingings, that will further about it. On the question of the seedlingings, that will flow the seedlingings, that will flow from the seedlingings, that will flow from the the seedlingings, that will flow from the Minginui the seedlingings, that will flow from the Minginui nursery, the seedlingings, that will flow from the Minginui nursery, the from the Minginui nursery, the growth from the Minginui nursery, the growth in from the Minginui nursery, the growth in employment from the Minginui nursery, the growth in employment up from the Minginui nursery, the growth in employment up to from the Minginui nursery, the growth in employment up to 90 growth in employment up to 90 people, growth in employment up to 90 people, when growth in employment up to 90 people, when they growth in employment up to 90 people, when they are growth in employment up to 90 people, when they are planted, growth in employment up to 90 people, when they are planted, they people, when they are planted, they will people, when they are planted, they will be people, when they are planted, they will be based people, when they are planted, they will be based both people, when they are planted, they will be based both on people, when they are planted, they will be based both on Doc people, when they are planted, they will be based both on Doc estate people, when they are planted, they will be based both on Doc estate and will be based both on Doc estate and Maori will be based both on Doc estate and Maori land will be based both on Doc estate and Maori land and will be based both on Doc estate and Maori land and general will be based both on Doc estate and Maori land and general land will be based both on Doc estate and Maori land and general land but will be based both on Doc estate and Maori land and general land but they Maori land and general land but they will Maori land and general land but they will be Maori land and general land but they will be native Maori land and general land but they will be native seedlingings. will be native seedlingings. Point will be native seedlingings. Point of will be native seedlingings. Point of order will be native seedlingings. Point of order - will be native seedlingings. Point of order - I will be native seedlingings. Point of order - I asked will be native seedlingings. Point of order - I asked a will be native seedlingings. Point of order - I asked a question, Point of order - I asked a question, who Point of order - I asked a question, who will Point of order - I asked a question, who will own Point of order - I asked a question, who will own the Point of order - I asked a question, who will own the seedlings, Point of order - I asked a question, who will own the seedlings, he Point of order - I asked a question, who will own the seedlings, he said who will own the seedlings, he said they who will own the seedlings, he said they where who will own the seedlings, he said they where they who will own the seedlings, he said they where they will who will own the seedlings, he said they where they will be who will own the seedlings, he said they where they will be planted. they where they will be planted. That's they where they will be planted. That's not they where they will be planted. That's not the they where they will be planted. That's not the question. they where they will be planted. That's not the question. Probably they where they will be planted. That's not the question. Probably a That's not the question. Probably a fair That's not the question. Probably a fair comment. That's not the question. Probably a fair comment. Sir, That's not the question. Probably a fair comment. Sir, the That's not the question. Probably a fair comment. Sir, the seedlings That's not the question. Probably a fair comment. Sir, the seedlings are fair comment. Sir, the seedlings are not fair comment. Sir, the seedlings are not designed fair comment. Sir, the seedlings are not designed to fair comment. Sir, the seedlings are not designed to stay fair comment. Sir, the seedlings are not designed to stay in fair comment. Sir, the seedlings are not designed to stay in pots fair comment. Sir, the seedlings are not designed to stay in pots but not designed to stay in pots but designed not designed to stay in pots but designed to not designed to stay in pots but designed to be not designed to stay in pots but designed to be planted. designed to be planted. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> No, <INTERRUPTION> No, I <INTERRUPTION> No, I think <INTERRUPTION> No, I think - <INTERRUPTION> No, I think - I <INTERRUPTION> No, I think - I am <INTERRUPTION> No, I think - I am going <INTERRUPTION> No, I think - I am going to <INTERRUPTION> No, I think - I am going to ask <INTERRUPTION> No, I think - I am going to ask the No, I think - I am going to ask the minister No, I think - I am going to ask the minister to No, I think - I am going to ask the minister to have No, I think - I am going to ask the minister to have another No, I think - I am going to ask the minister to have another go. No, I think - I am going to ask the minister to have another go. Who minister to have another go. Who will minister to have another go. Who will own minister to have another go. Who will own the minister to have another go. Who will own the seedlings? will own the seedlings? The will own the seedlings? The seedlings will own the seedlings? The seedlings are will own the seedlings? The seedlings are being will own the seedlings? The seedlings are being developed will own the seedlings? The seedlings are being developed by The seedlings are being developed by the The seedlings are being developed by the Minginui The seedlings are being developed by the Minginui Trust, The seedlings are being developed by the Minginui Trust, for The seedlings are being developed by the Minginui Trust, for as The seedlings are being developed by the Minginui Trust, for as long The seedlings are being developed by the Minginui Trust, for as long as the Minginui Trust, for as long as they the Minginui Trust, for as long as they remain the Minginui Trust, for as long as they remain in the Minginui Trust, for as long as they remain in seedling the Minginui Trust, for as long as they remain in seedling pots the Minginui Trust, for as long as they remain in seedling pots and they remain in seedling pots and they they remain in seedling pots and they will they remain in seedling pots and they will remain they remain in seedling pots and they will remain then they remain in seedling pots and they will remain then the they remain in seedling pots and they will remain then the property they will remain then the property on they will remain then the property on the they will remain then the property on the enclosure they will remain then the property on the enclosure owned they will remain then the property on the enclosure owned by they will remain then the property on the enclosure owned by the on the enclosure owned by the Minginui on the enclosure owned by the Minginui nursery. on the enclosure owned by the Minginui nursery. Supplementary. Minginui nursery. Supplementary. Will Minginui nursery. Supplementary. Will they Minginui nursery. Supplementary. Will they sell Minginui nursery. Supplementary. Will they sell the Minginui nursery. Supplementary. Will they sell the seedlings Will they sell the seedlings commercially Will they sell the seedlings commercially in Will they sell the seedlings commercially in competition Will they sell the seedlings commercially in competition with commercially in competition with other commercially in competition with other producers? other producers? Mr other producers? Mr Speaker, other producers? Mr Speaker, as other producers? Mr Speaker, as I other producers? Mr Speaker, as I said, other producers? Mr Speaker, as I said, this other producers? Mr Speaker, as I said, this project Mr Speaker, as I said, this project ticks Mr Speaker, as I said, this project ticks a Mr Speaker, as I said, this project ticks a whole Mr Speaker, as I said, this project ticks a whole host Mr Speaker, as I said, this project ticks a whole host of Mr Speaker, as I said, this project ticks a whole host of the Mr Speaker, as I said, this project ticks a whole host of the criterium ticks a whole host of the criterium of ticks a whole host of the criterium of the ticks a whole host of the criterium of the Provincial ticks a whole host of the criterium of the Provincial Growth ticks a whole host of the criterium of the Provincial Growth Fund ticks a whole host of the criterium of the Provincial Growth Fund and of the Provincial Growth Fund and the of the Provincial Growth Fund and the thought of the Provincial Growth Fund and the thought that of the Provincial Growth Fund and the thought that the of the Provincial Growth Fund and the thought that the level of the Provincial Growth Fund and the thought that the level of the thought that the level of employees the thought that the level of employees will the thought that the level of employees will grow the thought that the level of employees will grow from the thought that the level of employees will grow from 9-90 the thought that the level of employees will grow from 9-90 I the thought that the level of employees will grow from 9-90 I know employees will grow from 9-90 I know is employees will grow from 9-90 I know is hard employees will grow from 9-90 I know is hard on employees will grow from 9-90 I know is hard on the employees will grow from 9-90 I know is hard on the other employees will grow from 9-90 I know is hard on the other side employees will grow from 9-90 I know is hard on the other side of employees will grow from 9-90 I know is hard on the other side of the is hard on the other side of the House is hard on the other side of the House to is hard on the other side of the House to believe. is hard on the other side of the House to believe. Once is hard on the other side of the House to believe. Once those House to believe. Once those seedlings House to believe. Once those seedlings are House to believe. Once those seedlings are up House to believe. Once those seedlings are up to House to believe. Once those seedlings are up to the seedlings are up to the million-dollar seedlings are up to the million-dollar mark, seedlings are up to the million-dollar mark, they seedlings are up to the million-dollar mark, they will seedlings are up to the million-dollar mark, they will - million-dollar mark, they will - million-tree million-dollar mark, they will - million-tree mark million-dollar mark, they will - million-tree mark - million-dollar mark, they will - million-tree mark - they million-dollar mark, they will - million-tree mark - they will million-dollar mark, they will - million-tree mark - they will not million-tree mark - they will not displace million-tree mark - they will not displace any million-tree mark - they will not displace any private million-tree mark - they will not displace any private sector displace any private sector investment displace any private sector investment because displace any private sector investment because we displace any private sector investment because we have displace any private sector investment because we have a displace any private sector investment because we have a gross investment because we have a gross shortage investment because we have a gross shortage of investment because we have a gross shortage of native investment because we have a gross shortage of native seedlings. shortage of native seedlings. Point shortage of native seedlings. Point of shortage of native seedlings. Point of order. shortage of native seedlings. Point of order. Again, shortage of native seedlings. Point of order. Again, Mr shortage of native seedlings. Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, he Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, he did Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, he did not Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, he did not answer. Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, he did not answer. No, Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, he did not answer. No, I Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, he did not answer. No, I think Point of order. Again, Mr Speaker, he did not answer. No, I think on he did not answer. No, I think on that he did not answer. No, I think on that occasion he did not answer. No, I think on that occasion the he did not answer. No, I think on that occasion the question he did not answer. No, I think on that occasion the question was that occasion the question was certainly that occasion the question was certainly addressed. that occasion the question was certainly addressed. Supplementary. certainly addressed. Supplementary. When certainly addressed. Supplementary. When he certainly addressed. Supplementary. When he told certainly addressed. Supplementary. When he told the certainly addressed. Supplementary. When he told the House certainly addressed. Supplementary. When he told the House last certainly addressed. Supplementary. When he told the House last week When he told the House last week that When he told the House last week that he When he told the House last week that he had When he told the House last week that he had been, When he told the House last week that he had been, quote that he had been, quote "scrupulously that he had been, quote "scrupulously faithful" that he had been, quote "scrupulously faithful" to that he had been, quote "scrupulously faithful" to the "scrupulously faithful" to the Cabinet "scrupulously faithful" to the Cabinet policy "scrupulously faithful" to the Cabinet policy process, "scrupulously faithful" to the Cabinet policy process, how "scrupulously faithful" to the Cabinet policy process, how did "scrupulously faithful" to the Cabinet policy process, how did he Cabinet policy process, how did he square Cabinet policy process, how did he square Cabinet's Cabinet policy process, how did he square Cabinet's stipulation Cabinet policy process, how did he square Cabinet's stipulation that square Cabinet's stipulation that investments square Cabinet's stipulation that investments under square Cabinet's stipulation that investments under the square Cabinet's stipulation that investments under the fund, square Cabinet's stipulation that investments under the fund, quote, investments under the fund, quote, "should investments under the fund, quote, "should neither investments under the fund, quote, "should neither socialise investments under the fund, quote, "should neither socialise losses investments under the fund, quote, "should neither socialise losses nor "should neither socialise losses nor privatise "should neither socialise losses nor privatise gains", "should neither socialise losses nor privatise gains", end "should neither socialise losses nor privatise gains", end quote, "should neither socialise losses nor privatise gains", end quote, with privatise gains", end quote, with what privatise gains", end quote, with what appears privatise gains", end quote, with what appears to privatise gains", end quote, with what appears to be privatise gains", end quote, with what appears to be a privatise gains", end quote, with what appears to be a clear privatise gains", end quote, with what appears to be a clear private what appears to be a clear private gain what appears to be a clear private gain for what appears to be a clear private gain for the what appears to be a clear private gain for the owners what appears to be a clear private gain for the owners in what appears to be a clear private gain for the owners in this what appears to be a clear private gain for the owners in this case? gain for the owners in this case? On gain for the owners in this case? On the gain for the owners in this case? On the question, gain for the owners in this case? On the question, that gain for the owners in this case? On the question, that answer gain for the owners in this case? On the question, that answer will gain for the owners in this case? 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On the question the questions answered. On the question the second questions answered. On the question the second part, questions answered. On the question the second part, my questions answered. On the question the second part, my life questions answered. On the question the second part, my life is questions answered. On the question the second part, my life is a questions answered. On the question the second part, my life is a work the second part, my life is a work in the second part, my life is a work in progress. in progress. Supplementary in progress. Supplementary question. Supplementary question. Could Supplementary question. Could I Supplementary question. Could I ask Supplementary question. Could I ask the Supplementary question. Could I ask the minister Supplementary question. Could I ask the minister in Supplementary question. Could I ask the minister in the Could I ask the minister in the interest Could I ask the minister in the interest of Could I ask the minister in the interest of knowing Could I ask the minister in the interest of knowing precisely Could I ask the minister in the interest of knowing precisely the interest of knowing precisely the ownership, interest of knowing precisely the ownership, when interest of knowing precisely the ownership, when the interest of knowing precisely the ownership, when the seedlings interest of knowing precisely the ownership, when the seedlings have ownership, when the seedlings have left ownership, when the seedlings have left Minginui, ownership, when the seedlings have left Minginui, and ownership, when the seedlings have left Minginui, and are ownership, when the seedlings have left Minginui, and are being left Minginui, and are being transported left Minginui, and are being transported by left Minginui, and are being transported by truck left Minginui, and are being transported by truck and left Minginui, and are being transported by truck and before left Minginui, and are being transported by truck and before they transported by truck and before they are transported by truck and before they are placed transported by truck and before they are placed in transported by truck and before they are placed in the transported by truck and before they are placed in the ground, transported by truck and before they are placed in the ground, who transported by truck and before they are placed in the ground, who will are placed in the ground, who will own are placed in the ground, who will own them? own them? Mr own them? Mr Speaker, own them? Mr Speaker, I'm own them? Mr Speaker, I'm confident own them? Mr Speaker, I'm confident there own them? Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will be Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will be - Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will be - that Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will be - that will Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will be - that will be Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will be - that will be conveyed Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will be - that will be conveyed by Mr Speaker, I'm confident there will be - that will be conveyed by Kiwi be - that will be conveyed by Kiwi Rail. Rail. Point Rail. Point of Rail. Point of order, Rail. Point of order, Mr Rail. Point of order, Mr Speaker, Rail. Point of order, Mr Speaker, he Point of order, Mr Speaker, he didn't Point of order, Mr Speaker, he didn't answer Point of order, Mr Speaker, he didn't answer that Point of order, Mr Speaker, he didn't answer that question. didn't answer that question. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> That <INTERRUPTION> That is <INTERRUPTION> That is true, <INTERRUPTION> That is true, but <INTERRUPTION> That is true, but I'm <INTERRUPTION> That is true, but I'm going <INTERRUPTION> That is true, but I'm going to <INTERRUPTION> That is true, but I'm going to let That is true, but I'm going to let it That is true, but I'm going to let it run. That is true, but I'm going to let it run. Supplementary. That is true, but I'm going to let it run. Supplementary. Why That is true, but I'm going to let it run. Supplementary. Why did That is true, but I'm going to let it run. Supplementary. Why did he it run. Supplementary. Why did he choose it run. Supplementary. Why did he choose these it run. Supplementary. Why did he choose these two it run. Supplementary. Why did he choose these two entities it run. Supplementary. Why did he choose these two entities out it run. Supplementary. Why did he choose these two entities out of it run. Supplementary. Why did he choose these two entities out of the choose these two entities out of the countless choose these two entities out of the countless others choose these two entities out of the countless others who choose these two entities out of the countless others who grow choose these two entities out of the countless others who grow seedlings countless others who grow seedlings or countless others who grow seedlings or trees countless others who grow seedlings or trees commercially countless others who grow seedlings or trees commercially for countless others who grow seedlings or trees commercially for funding countless others who grow seedlings or trees commercially for funding by or trees commercially for funding by the or trees commercially for funding by the Provincial or trees commercially for funding by the Provincial Growth or trees commercially for funding by the Provincial Growth Fund? the Provincial Growth Fund? Mr the Provincial Growth Fund? Mr Speaker, the Provincial Growth Fund? Mr Speaker, as the Provincial Growth Fund? Mr Speaker, as you the Provincial Growth Fund? Mr Speaker, as you would the Provincial Growth Fund? Mr Speaker, as you would know, the Provincial Growth Fund? Mr Speaker, as you would know, the Mr Speaker, as you would know, the choices Mr Speaker, as you would know, the choices don't Mr Speaker, as you would know, the choices don't just Mr Speaker, as you would know, the choices don't just lie Mr Speaker, as you would know, the choices don't just lie with Mr Speaker, as you would know, the choices don't just lie with the choices don't just lie with the Minister choices don't just lie with the Minister for choices don't just lie with the Minister for Regional choices don't just lie with the Minister for Regional Development. Minister for Regional Development. These Minister for Regional Development. These choices Minister for Regional Development. These choices are Minister for Regional Development. These choices are made Minister for Regional Development. These choices are made by Minister for Regional Development. These choices are made by the These choices are made by the Minister These choices are made by the Minister of These choices are made by the Minister of Finance, These choices are made by the Minister of Finance, the These choices are made by the Minister of Finance, the Minister These choices are made by the Minister of Finance, the Minister of Minister of Finance, the Minister of Transport Minister of Finance, the Minister of Transport and Minister of Finance, the Minister of Transport and Mr Minister of Finance, the Minister of Transport and Mr David Minister of Finance, the Minister of Transport and Mr David Parker. Minister of Finance, the Minister of Transport and Mr David Parker. They Transport and Mr David Parker. They go Transport and Mr David Parker. They go through Transport and Mr David Parker. They go through a Transport and Mr David Parker. They go through a process Transport and Mr David Parker. They go through a process where go through a process where applications go through a process where applications are go through a process where applications are received go through a process where applications are received by go through a process where applications are received by the applications are received by the bureaucracy, applications are received by the bureaucracy, advice applications are received by the bureaucracy, advice tendered applications are received by the bureaucracy, advice tendered to applications are received by the bureaucracy, advice tendered to the bureaucracy, advice tendered to the ministers bureaucracy, advice tendered to the ministers and bureaucracy, advice tendered to the ministers and we bureaucracy, advice tendered to the ministers and we make bureaucracy, advice tendered to the ministers and we make very bureaucracy, advice tendered to the ministers and we make very judicious ministers and we make very judicious answers ministers and we make very judicious answers and ministers and we make very judicious answers and something ministers and we make very judicious answers and something where ministers and we make very judicious answers and something where the answers and something where the Minginui answers and something where the Minginui came answers and something where the Minginui came out answers and something where the Minginui came out on answers and something where the Minginui came out on top, answers and something where the Minginui came out on top, something Minginui came out on top, something they Minginui came out on top, something they never Minginui came out on top, something they never enjoyed Minginui came out on top, something they never enjoyed under Minginui came out on top, something they never enjoyed under the Minginui came out on top, something they never enjoyed under the last they never enjoyed under the last regime. they never enjoyed under the last regime. Has they never enjoyed under the last regime. Has the they never enjoyed under the last regime. Has the minister they never enjoyed under the last regime. Has the minister being regime. Has the minister being lowsly regime. Has the minister being lowsly faithful regime. Has the minister being lowsly faithful to regime. Has the minister being lowsly faithful to the regime. Has the minister being lowsly faithful to the Cabinet lowsly faithful to the Cabinet manual lowsly faithful to the Cabinet manual in lowsly faithful to the Cabinet manual in identifying lowsly faithful to the Cabinet manual in identifying all lowsly faithful to the Cabinet manual in identifying all actual lowsly faithful to the Cabinet manual in identifying all actual and manual in identifying all actual and perceived manual in identifying all actual and perceived conflicts manual in identifying all actual and perceived conflicts of manual in identifying all actual and perceived conflicts of interests manual in identifying all actual and perceived conflicts of interests in perceived conflicts of interests in projects perceived conflicts of interests in projects funded perceived conflicts of interests in projects funded by perceived conflicts of interests in projects funded by the perceived conflicts of interests in projects funded by the Provincial projects funded by the Provincial Growth projects funded by the Provincial Growth Fund? Growth Fund? In Growth Fund? In so Growth Fund? In so far Growth Fund? In so far as Growth Fund? In so far as Minginui Growth Fund? In so far as Minginui and Growth Fund? In so far as Minginui and Ngati In so far as Minginui and Ngati Hine, In so far as Minginui and Ngati Hine, in In so far as Minginui and Ngati Hine, in so In so far as Minginui and Ngati Hine, in so far In so far as Minginui and Ngati Hine, in so far as In so far as Minginui and Ngati Hine, in so far as all In so far as Minginui and Ngati Hine, in so far as all other Hine, in so far as all other announcements Hine, in so far as all other announcements have Hine, in so far as all other announcements have been Hine, in so far as all other announcements have been made, Hine, in so far as all other announcements have been made, rest announcements have been made, rest assured, announcements have been made, rest assured, I announcements have been made, rest assured, I have announcements have been made, rest assured, I have no announcements have been made, rest assured, I have no personal announcements have been made, rest assured, I have no personal stake. assured, I have no personal stake. Despite assured, I have no personal stake. Despite rumours assured, I have no personal stake. Despite rumours to assured, I have no personal stake. Despite rumours to the assured, I have no personal stake. Despite rumours to the contrary, assured, I have no personal stake. Despite rumours to the contrary, I Despite rumours to the contrary, I live Despite rumours to the contrary, I live too Despite rumours to the contrary, I live too close Despite rumours to the contrary, I live too close to Despite rumours to the contrary, I live too close to the Despite rumours to the contrary, I live too close to the intersection, live too close to the intersection, thanks. INTERPRETER: INTERPRETER: Thank INTERPRETER: Thank you, INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr INTERPRETER: Thank you, Mr Speaker. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Health: My question is to the Minister of Health: What My question is to the Minister of Health: What risks, My question is to the Minister of Health: What risks, if My question is to the Minister of Health: What risks, if any, My question is to the Minister of Health: What risks, if any, are Health: What risks, if any, are there Health: What risks, if any, are there to Health: What risks, if any, are there to staff Health: What risks, if any, are there to staff and Health: What risks, if any, are there to staff and patients Health: What risks, if any, are there to staff and patients in Health: What risks, if any, are there to staff and patients in light there to staff and patients in light of there to staff and patients in light of recent there to staff and patients in light of recent reports there to staff and patients in light of recent reports about there to staff and patients in light of recent reports about the of recent reports about the condition of recent reports about the condition of of recent reports about the condition of the of recent reports about the condition of the facilities of recent reports about the condition of the facilities at condition of the facilities at Middlemore condition of the facilities at Middlemore Hospital? The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr David The Hon Dr David Clark. The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, when The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, when people The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, when people turn The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, when people turn up The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, when people turn up at The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, when people turn up at our The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, when people turn up at our health when people turn up at our health services when people turn up at our health services they when people turn up at our health services they have when people turn up at our health services they have a when people turn up at our health services they have a right when people turn up at our health services they have a right to when people turn up at our health services they have a right to the services they have a right to the buildings services they have a right to the buildings are services they have a right to the buildings are well services they have a right to the buildings are well maintained services they have a right to the buildings are well maintained and buildings are well maintained and fit buildings are well maintained and fit for buildings are well maintained and fit for purpose. buildings are well maintained and fit for purpose. Unfortunately buildings are well maintained and fit for purpose. Unfortunately it buildings are well maintained and fit for purpose. Unfortunately it is fit for purpose. Unfortunately it is clear fit for purpose. Unfortunately it is clear there fit for purpose. Unfortunately it is clear there is fit for purpose. Unfortunately it is clear there is a fit for purpose. Unfortunately it is clear there is a large fit for purpose. Unfortunately it is clear there is a large backlog fit for purpose. Unfortunately it is clear there is a large backlog of clear there is a large backlog of building clear there is a large backlog of building programmes clear there is a large backlog of building programmes at clear there is a large backlog of building programmes at Counties building programmes at Counties Manikau building programmes at Counties Manikau DHB building programmes at Counties Manikau DHB including building programmes at Counties Manikau DHB including rot building programmes at Counties Manikau DHB including rot and Manikau DHB including rot and sewerage Manikau DHB including rot and sewerage issues. Manikau DHB including rot and sewerage issues. They Manikau DHB including rot and sewerage issues. They did Manikau DHB including rot and sewerage issues. They did not sewerage issues. They did not develop sewerage issues. They did not develop overnight sewerage issues. They did not develop overnight and sewerage issues. They did not develop overnight and will sewerage issues. They did not develop overnight and will take sewerage issues. They did not develop overnight and will take time develop overnight and will take time to develop overnight and will take time to address. develop overnight and will take time to address. It's develop overnight and will take time to address. It's important develop overnight and will take time to address. It's important to develop overnight and will take time to address. It's important to note, to address. It's important to note, however, to address. It's important to note, however, that to address. It's important to note, however, that the to address. It's important to note, however, that the DHB to address. It's important to note, however, that the DHB has to address. It's important to note, however, that the DHB has assured to address. It's important to note, however, that the DHB has assured me however, that the DHB has assured me there however, that the DHB has assured me there is however, that the DHB has assured me there is no however, that the DHB has assured me there is no immediate however, that the DHB has assured me there is no immediate risk however, that the DHB has assured me there is no immediate risk to there is no immediate risk to patient there is no immediate risk to patient or there is no immediate risk to patient or staff there is no immediate risk to patient or staff safety. patient or staff safety. Supplementary. patient or staff safety. Supplementary. What patient or staff safety. Supplementary. What does patient or staff safety. Supplementary. What does he patient or staff safety. Supplementary. What does he say patient or staff safety. Supplementary. What does he say to Supplementary. What does he say to pay Supplementary. What does he say to pay patients Supplementary. What does he say to pay patients and Supplementary. What does he say to pay patients and staff Supplementary. What does he say to pay patients and staff at Supplementary. What does he say to pay patients and staff at Middlemore pay patients and staff at Middlemore concerned pay patients and staff at Middlemore concerned about pay patients and staff at Middlemore concerned about the pay patients and staff at Middlemore concerned about the state pay patients and staff at Middlemore concerned about the state of pay patients and staff at Middlemore concerned about the state of their concerned about the state of their facilities? concerned about the state of their facilities? Mr concerned about the state of their facilities? Mr Speaker, concerned about the state of their facilities? Mr Speaker, when concerned about the state of their facilities? Mr Speaker, when you concerned about the state of their facilities? Mr Speaker, when you are facilities? Mr Speaker, when you are sick, facilities? Mr Speaker, when you are sick, you facilities? Mr Speaker, when you are sick, you should facilities? Mr Speaker, when you are sick, you should not facilities? Mr Speaker, when you are sick, you should not have facilities? Mr Speaker, when you are sick, you should not have to facilities? Mr Speaker, when you are sick, you should not have to worry sick, you should not have to worry about sick, you should not have to worry about the sick, you should not have to worry about the health sick, you should not have to worry about the health of sick, you should not have to worry about the health of the sick, you should not have to worry about the health of the buildings about the health of the buildings you about the health of the buildings you are about the health of the buildings you are treated about the health of the buildings you are treated in. about the health of the buildings you are treated in. I about the health of the buildings you are treated in. I can't about the health of the buildings you are treated in. I can't put about the health of the buildings you are treated in. I can't put it you are treated in. I can't put it better you are treated in. I can't put it better than you are treated in. I can't put it better than Middlemore you are treated in. I can't put it better than Middlemore Intensive better than Middlemore Intensive Care better than Middlemore Intensive Care Specialist better than Middlemore Intensive Care Specialist Dr better than Middlemore Intensive Care Specialist Dr David better than Middlemore Intensive Care Specialist Dr David Guller better than Middlemore Intensive Care Specialist Dr David Guller who Care Specialist Dr David Guller who wrote Care Specialist Dr David Guller who wrote that Care Specialist Dr David Guller who wrote that when Care Specialist Dr David Guller who wrote that when he Care Specialist Dr David Guller who wrote that when he found Care Specialist Dr David Guller who wrote that when he found out Care Specialist Dr David Guller who wrote that when he found out about wrote that when he found out about the wrote that when he found out about the issues wrote that when he found out about the issues in wrote that when he found out about the issues in Middlemore, wrote that when he found out about the issues in Middlemore, I wrote that when he found out about the issues in Middlemore, I quote, the issues in Middlemore, I quote, "I the issues in Middlemore, I quote, "I was the issues in Middlemore, I quote, "I was overcome the issues in Middlemore, I quote, "I was overcome with the issues in Middlemore, I quote, "I was overcome with embarrassment "I was overcome with embarrassment and "I was overcome with embarrassment and a "I was overcome with embarrassment and a sense "I was overcome with embarrassment and a sense of "I was overcome with embarrassment and a sense of outrage "I was overcome with embarrassment and a sense of outrage for "I was overcome with embarrassment and a sense of outrage for the and a sense of outrage for the systematic and a sense of outrage for the systematic betrayal and a sense of outrage for the systematic betrayal of and a sense of outrage for the systematic betrayal of the and a sense of outrage for the systematic betrayal of the very systematic betrayal of the very people systematic betrayal of the very people we systematic betrayal of the very people we are systematic betrayal of the very people we are here systematic betrayal of the very people we are here to systematic betrayal of the very people we are here to serve systematic betrayal of the very people we are here to serve and systematic betrayal of the very people we are here to serve and of people we are here to serve and of the people we are here to serve and of the staff people we are here to serve and of the staff that people we are here to serve and of the staff that work people we are here to serve and of the staff that work so people we are here to serve and of the staff that work so hard people we are here to serve and of the staff that work so hard to people we are here to serve and of the staff that work so hard to help the staff that work so hard to help them the staff that work so hard to help them to the staff that work so hard to help them to promote the staff that work so hard to help them to promote good the staff that work so hard to help them to promote good health the staff that work so hard to help them to promote good health and the staff that work so hard to help them to promote good health and keep them to promote good health and keep people them to promote good health and keep people well". them to promote good health and keep people well". This them to promote good health and keep people well". This government them to promote good health and keep people well". This government will people well". This government will not people well". This government will not sit people well". This government will not sit by people well". This government will not sit by pretending people well". This government will not sit by pretending everything people well". This government will not sit by pretending everything is not sit by pretending everything is fine not sit by pretending everything is fine while not sit by pretending everything is fine while we not sit by pretending everything is fine while we have not sit by pretending everything is fine while we have hospitals fine while we have hospitals literally fine while we have hospitals literally rotting fine while we have hospitals literally rotting away. fine while we have hospitals literally rotting away. I fine while we have hospitals literally rotting away. I say fine while we have hospitals literally rotting away. I say to fine while we have hospitals literally rotting away. I say to the literally rotting away. I say to the patients literally rotting away. I say to the patients and literally rotting away. I say to the patients and staff literally rotting away. I say to the patients and staff of literally rotting away. I say to the patients and staff of Middlemore, patients and staff of Middlemore, you patients and staff of Middlemore, you deserve patients and staff of Middlemore, you deserve better. you deserve better. Supplementary. you deserve better. Supplementary. What you deserve better. Supplementary. What priority you deserve better. Supplementary. What priority will you deserve better. Supplementary. What priority will he Supplementary. What priority will he place Supplementary. What priority will he place on Supplementary. What priority will he place on resolving Supplementary. What priority will he place on resolving the Supplementary. What priority will he place on resolving the issue Supplementary. What priority will he place on resolving the issue that place on resolving the issue that Middlemore place on resolving the issue that Middlemore Hospital place on resolving the issue that Middlemore Hospital has? place on resolving the issue that Middlemore Hospital has? Mr place on resolving the issue that Middlemore Hospital has? Mr Speaker, Middlemore Hospital has? Mr Speaker, last Middlemore Hospital has? Mr Speaker, last week Middlemore Hospital has? Mr Speaker, last week I Middlemore Hospital has? Mr Speaker, last week I called Middlemore Hospital has? Mr Speaker, last week I called the Middlemore Hospital has? Mr Speaker, last week I called the Acting Middlemore Hospital has? Mr Speaker, last week I called the Acting Chair last week I called the Acting Chair of last week I called the Acting Chair of the last week I called the Acting Chair of the DHB last week I called the Acting Chair of the DHB to last week I called the Acting Chair of the DHB to Wellington last week I called the Acting Chair of the DHB to Wellington to last week I called the Acting Chair of the DHB to Wellington to discuss of the DHB to Wellington to discuss the of the DHB to Wellington to discuss the DHB's of the DHB to Wellington to discuss the DHB's plan of the DHB to Wellington to discuss the DHB's plan to of the DHB to Wellington to discuss the DHB's plan to manage of the DHB to Wellington to discuss the DHB's plan to manage and of the DHB to Wellington to discuss the DHB's plan to manage and resolve the DHB's plan to manage and resolve these the DHB's plan to manage and resolve these issues. the DHB's plan to manage and resolve these issues. I the DHB's plan to manage and resolve these issues. I made the DHB's plan to manage and resolve these issues. I made it the DHB's plan to manage and resolve these issues. I made it clear the DHB's plan to manage and resolve these issues. I made it clear I these issues. I made it clear I expect these issues. I made it clear I expect the these issues. I made it clear I expect the DHB these issues. I made it clear I expect the DHB to these issues. I made it clear I expect the DHB to have these issues. I made it clear I expect the DHB to have a expect the DHB to have a comprehensive expect the DHB to have a comprehensive plan expect the DHB to have a comprehensive plan to expect the DHB to have a comprehensive plan to identify expect the DHB to have a comprehensive plan to identify and comprehensive plan to identify and plan comprehensive plan to identify and plan for comprehensive plan to identify and plan for these comprehensive plan to identify and plan for these sorts comprehensive plan to identify and plan for these sorts of comprehensive plan to identify and plan for these sorts of issues plan for these sorts of issues before plan for these sorts of issues before they plan for these sorts of issues before they the plan for these sorts of issues before they the Government plan for these sorts of issues before they the Government is before they the Government is committed before they the Government is committed to before they the Government is committed to a before they the Government is committed to a well-funded before they the Government is committed to a well-funded public committed to a well-funded public health committed to a well-funded public health service, committed to a well-funded public health service, one committed to a well-funded public health service, one where committed to a well-funded public health service, one where routine health service, one where routine building health service, one where routine building maintenance health service, one where routine building maintenance is health service, one where routine building maintenance is not health service, one where routine building maintenance is not deferred building maintenance is not deferred to building maintenance is not deferred to make building maintenance is not deferred to make the building maintenance is not deferred to make the books building maintenance is not deferred to make the books look building maintenance is not deferred to make the books look better. building maintenance is not deferred to make the books look better. We to make the books look better. We will to make the books look better. We will prioritise to make the books look better. We will prioritise our to make the books look better. We will prioritise our public to make the books look better. We will prioritise our public health will prioritise our public health service will prioritise our public health service over will prioritise our public health service over tax will prioritise our public health service over tax cuts will prioritise our public health service over tax cuts for will prioritise our public health service over tax cuts for the service over tax cuts for the ultrawealthy, service over tax cuts for the ultrawealthy, unlike service over tax cuts for the ultrawealthy, unlike the service over tax cuts for the ultrawealthy, unlike the previous ultrawealthy, unlike the previous government. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: Does My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by his Education: Does he stand by his Government's Education: Does he stand by his Government's policy Education: Does he stand by his Government's policy and Education: Does he stand by his Government's policy and decisions Government's policy and decisions made Government's policy and decisions made regarding Government's policy and decisions made regarding partnership Government's policy and decisions made regarding partnership schools? The The Hon The Hon Chris The Hon Chris Hipkins. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Yes, The Hon Chris Hipkins. Yes, particularly The Hon Chris Hipkins. Yes, particularly given The Hon Chris Hipkins. Yes, particularly given the The Hon Chris Hipkins. Yes, particularly given the circumstances particularly given the circumstances we particularly given the circumstances we inherited particularly given the circumstances we inherited supplementary particularly given the circumstances we inherited supplementary question. we inherited supplementary question. Did we inherited supplementary question. Did he we inherited supplementary question. Did he or we inherited supplementary question. Did he or anyone we inherited supplementary question. Did he or anyone from we inherited supplementary question. Did he or anyone from his we inherited supplementary question. Did he or anyone from his office Did he or anyone from his office have Did he or anyone from his office have any Did he or anyone from his office have any conversations Did he or anyone from his office have any conversations or have any conversations or communications have any conversations or communications with have any conversations or communications with Willie have any conversations or communications with Willie Jackson communications with Willie Jackson or communications with Willie Jackson or the communications with Willie Jackson or the trust communications with Willie Jackson or the trust prior communications with Willie Jackson or the trust prior to communications with Willie Jackson or the trust prior to agreeing communications with Willie Jackson or the trust prior to agreeing the or the trust prior to agreeing the contract or the trust prior to agreeing the contract for or the trust prior to agreeing the contract for the or the trust prior to agreeing the contract for the High or the trust prior to agreeing the contract for the High School or the trust prior to agreeing the contract for the High School would contract for the High School would go contract for the High School would go unconditional? contract for the High School would go unconditional? Mr contract for the High School would go unconditional? Mr Speaker, contract for the High School would go unconditional? Mr Speaker, I go unconditional? Mr Speaker, I certainly go unconditional? Mr Speaker, I certainly didn't. go unconditional? Mr Speaker, I certainly didn't. I go unconditional? Mr Speaker, I certainly didn't. I can't go unconditional? Mr Speaker, I certainly didn't. I can't be certainly didn't. I can't be absolutely certainly didn't. I can't be absolutely certain certainly didn't. I can't be absolutely certain but certainly didn't. I can't be absolutely certain but I'm certainly didn't. I can't be absolutely certain but I'm pretty absolutely certain but I'm pretty certain absolutely certain but I'm pretty certain no-one absolutely certain but I'm pretty certain no-one from absolutely certain but I'm pretty certain no-one from my absolutely certain but I'm pretty certain no-one from my office absolutely certain but I'm pretty certain no-one from my office would certain no-one from my office would have certain no-one from my office would have such certain no-one from my office would have such a certain no-one from my office would have such a conversation. Supplementary. Supplementary. Can Supplementary. Can he Supplementary. Can he confirm Supplementary. Can he confirm he Supplementary. Can he confirm he was Supplementary. Can he confirm he was satisfied Supplementary. Can he confirm he was satisfied that Supplementary. Can he confirm he was satisfied that the Supplementary. Can he confirm he was satisfied that the trust Supplementary. Can he confirm he was satisfied that the trust met Supplementary. Can he confirm he was satisfied that the trust met the satisfied that the trust met the conditions satisfied that the trust met the conditions for satisfied that the trust met the conditions for him satisfied that the trust met the conditions for him to satisfied that the trust met the conditions for him to give satisfied that the trust met the conditions for him to give final conditions for him to give final approval conditions for him to give final approval to conditions for him to give final approval to this conditions for him to give final approval to this partnership conditions for him to give final approval to this partnership school approval to this partnership school and approval to this partnership school and when approval to this partnership school and when did approval to this partnership school and when did he approval to this partnership school and when did he give approval to this partnership school and when did he give time approval to this partnership school and when did he give time approval and when did he give time approval for and when did he give time approval for it? and when did he give time approval for it? Mr and when did he give time approval for it? Mr Speaker, and when did he give time approval for it? Mr Speaker, yes, and when did he give time approval for it? Mr Speaker, yes, I and when did he give time approval for it? Mr Speaker, yes, I gave and when did he give time approval for it? Mr Speaker, yes, I gave the for it? Mr Speaker, yes, I gave the approval for it? Mr Speaker, yes, I gave the approval when for it? Mr Speaker, yes, I gave the approval when they for it? Mr Speaker, yes, I gave the approval when they met for it? Mr Speaker, yes, I gave the approval when they met the approval when they met the conditions approval when they met the conditions as approval when they met the conditions as I approval when they met the conditions as I was approval when they met the conditions as I was required approval when they met the conditions as I was required by approval when they met the conditions as I was required by the conditions as I was required by the contracts conditions as I was required by the contracts signed conditions as I was required by the contracts signed by conditions as I was required by the contracts signed by that conditions as I was required by the contracts signed by that former contracts signed by that former minister. contracts signed by that former minister. Mr contracts signed by that former minister. Mr Speaker, contracts signed by that former minister. Mr Speaker, supplementary minister. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. minister. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. When minister. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. When he minister. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. When he said minister. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. When he said on minister. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. When he said on 3 minister. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. When he said on 3 November question. When he said on 3 November that question. When he said on 3 November that he question. When he said on 3 November that he could question. When he said on 3 November that he could say question. When he said on 3 November that he could say with question. When he said on 3 November that he could say with confidence that he could say with confidence that that he could say with confidence that the that he could say with confidence that the 2019 that he could say with confidence that the 2019 partnership that he could say with confidence that the 2019 partnership schools that the 2019 partnership schools would that the 2019 partnership schools would not that the 2019 partnership schools would not go that the 2019 partnership schools would not go ahead, that the 2019 partnership schools would not go ahead, why that the 2019 partnership schools would not go ahead, why did that the 2019 partnership schools would not go ahead, why did he that the 2019 partnership schools would not go ahead, why did he not would not go ahead, why did he not tell would not go ahead, why did he not tell the would not go ahead, why did he not tell the public would not go ahead, why did he not tell the public that would not go ahead, why did he not tell the public that the would not go ahead, why did he not tell the public that the school would not go ahead, why did he not tell the public that the school his tell the public that the school his Cabinet tell the public that the school his Cabinet colleague tell the public that the school his Cabinet colleague was tell the public that the school his Cabinet colleague was involved tell the public that the school his Cabinet colleague was involved in Cabinet colleague was involved in had Cabinet colleague was involved in had been Cabinet colleague was involved in had been given Cabinet colleague was involved in had been given final Cabinet colleague was involved in had been given final approval Cabinet colleague was involved in had been given final approval days had been given final approval days before? Because Because it Because it wasn't Because it wasn't relevant. Because it wasn't relevant. The Because it wasn't relevant. The issue Because it wasn't relevant. The issue is Because it wasn't relevant. The issue is the Because it wasn't relevant. The issue is the Government Because it wasn't relevant. The issue is the Government has Because it wasn't relevant. The issue is the Government has made Because it wasn't relevant. The issue is the Government has made a issue is the Government has made a issue is the Government has made a issue is the Government has made a decision not issue is the Government has made a decision not to issue is the Government has made a decision not to continue issue is the Government has made a decision not to continue with issue is the Government has made a decision not to continue with the decision not to continue with the charter decision not to continue with the charter schools decision not to continue with the charter schools policy. charter schools policy. Supplementary charter schools policy. Supplementary question charter schools policy. Supplementary question to charter schools policy. Supplementary question to the Supplementary question to the Minister. Supplementary question to the Minister. Does Supplementary question to the Minister. Does he Supplementary question to the Minister. Does he stand Supplementary question to the Minister. Does he stand by Supplementary question to the Minister. Does he stand by his Minister. Does he stand by his decision Minister. Does he stand by his decision to Minister. Does he stand by his decision to approve Minister. Does he stand by his decision to approve the Minister. Does he stand by his decision to approve the school Minister. Does he stand by his decision to approve the school that decision to approve the school that Willie decision to approve the school that Willie Jackson decision to approve the school that Willie Jackson is decision to approve the school that Willie Jackson is involved decision to approve the school that Willie Jackson is involved in, decision to approve the school that Willie Jackson is involved in, which Willie Jackson is involved in, which enabled Willie Jackson is involved in, which enabled multiple Willie Jackson is involved in, which enabled multiple conditions Willie Jackson is involved in, which enabled multiple conditions to Willie Jackson is involved in, which enabled multiple conditions to be enabled multiple conditions to be met, enabled multiple conditions to be met, by enabled multiple conditions to be met, by also enabled multiple conditions to be met, by also saw enabled multiple conditions to be met, by also saw a enabled multiple conditions to be met, by also saw a $600,000 enabled multiple conditions to be met, by also saw a $600,000 payment met, by also saw a $600,000 payment on met, by also saw a $600,000 payment on the met, by also saw a $600,000 payment on the eve met, by also saw a $600,000 payment on the eve of met, by also saw a $600,000 payment on the eve of Christmas met, by also saw a $600,000 payment on the eve of Christmas plus on the eve of Christmas plus potential on the eve of Christmas plus potential compensation on the eve of Christmas plus potential compensation after on the eve of Christmas plus potential compensation after he potential compensation after he confirmed potential compensation after he confirmed Partnership potential compensation after he confirmed Partnership Schools potential compensation after he confirmed Partnership Schools will confirmed Partnership Schools will be confirmed Partnership Schools will be scrapped? confirmed Partnership Schools will be scrapped? I confirmed Partnership Schools will be scrapped? I do confirmed Partnership Schools will be scrapped? I do stand confirmed Partnership Schools will be scrapped? I do stand by confirmed Partnership Schools will be scrapped? I do stand by the be scrapped? I do stand by the decision be scrapped? I do stand by the decision that be scrapped? I do stand by the decision that I be scrapped? I do stand by the decision that I made be scrapped? I do stand by the decision that I made to be scrapped? I do stand by the decision that I made to honour be scrapped? I do stand by the decision that I made to honour the decision that I made to honour the contract decision that I made to honour the contract signed decision that I made to honour the contract signed by decision that I made to honour the contract signed by the decision that I made to honour the contract signed by the former contract signed by the former minister. contract signed by the former minister. The contract signed by the former minister. The contract contract signed by the former minister. The contract was contract signed by the former minister. The contract was due contract signed by the former minister. The contract was due to contract signed by the former minister. The contract was due to be minister. The contract was due to be signed minister. The contract was due to be signed in minister. The contract was due to be signed in October. minister. The contract was due to be signed in October. For minister. The contract was due to be signed in October. For some minister. The contract was due to be signed in October. For some reason, signed in October. For some reason, the signed in October. For some reason, the former signed in October. For some reason, the former minister signed in October. For some reason, the former minister decided signed in October. For some reason, the former minister decided to signed in October. For some reason, the former minister decided to bring the former minister decided to bring the the former minister decided to bring the signing the former minister decided to bring the signing of the former minister decided to bring the signing of that the former minister decided to bring the signing of that contract the former minister decided to bring the signing of that contract forward the signing of that contract forward and the signing of that contract forward and signed the signing of that contract forward and signed it the signing of that contract forward and signed it just the signing of that contract forward and signed it just weeks the signing of that contract forward and signed it just weeks before the signing of that contract forward and signed it just weeks before the and signed it just weeks before the general and signed it just weeks before the general election. and signed it just weeks before the general election. <INTERRUPTION> general election. <INTERRUPTION> Order! general election. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Order! general election. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Order! I general election. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Order! I assure general election. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Order! I assure Nikki general election. <INTERRUPTION> Order! Order! I assure Nikki Kaye Order! Order! I assure Nikki Kaye general Order! Order! I assure Nikki Kaye that I didn't Order! Order! I assure Nikki Kaye that I didn't and Order! Order! I assure Nikki Kaye that I didn't and I Order! Order! I assure Nikki Kaye that I didn't and I think Order! Order! I assure Nikki Kaye that I didn't and I think it Order! Order! I assure Nikki Kaye that I didn't and I think it would that I didn't and I think it would be that I didn't and I think it would be a that I didn't and I think it would be a good that I didn't and I think it would be a good idea that I didn't and I think it would be a good idea if that I didn't and I think it would be a good idea if people that I didn't and I think it would be a good idea if people didn't be a good idea if people didn't interject be a good idea if people didn't interject across be a good idea if people didn't interject across the be a good idea if people didn't interject across the Chamber be a good idea if people didn't interject across the Chamber like interject across the Chamber like that. interject across the Chamber like that. Question interject across the Chamber like that. Question No. interject across the Chamber like that. Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Fisheries: My question is to the Minister of Fisheries: What My question is to the Minister of Fisheries: What recent My question is to the Minister of Fisheries: What recent decisions My question is to the Minister of Fisheries: What recent decisions has Fisheries: What recent decisions has he Fisheries: What recent decisions has he made Fisheries: What recent decisions has he made in Fisheries: What recent decisions has he made in relation Fisheries: What recent decisions has he made in relation to Fisheries: What recent decisions has he made in relation to the Fisheries: What recent decisions has he made in relation to the CRA2 he made in relation to the CRA2 fisheries he made in relation to the CRA2 fisheries management he made in relation to the CRA2 fisheries management area? The The CRA2 The CRA2 rock The CRA2 rock lobster The CRA2 rock lobster fishery The CRA2 rock lobster fishery is The CRA2 rock lobster fishery is in The CRA2 rock lobster fishery is in Auckland. The CRA2 rock lobster fishery is in Auckland. It The CRA2 rock lobster fishery is in Auckland. It is The CRA2 rock lobster fishery is in Auckland. It is experiencing The CRA2 rock lobster fishery is in Auckland. It is experiencing very Auckland. It is experiencing very low Auckland. It is experiencing very low levels Auckland. It is experiencing very low levels of Auckland. It is experiencing very low levels of abundance, Auckland. It is experiencing very low levels of abundance, that Auckland. It is experiencing very low levels of abundance, that is low levels of abundance, that is fishery low levels of abundance, that is fishery speak low levels of abundance, that is fishery speak for low levels of abundance, that is fishery speak for there low levels of abundance, that is fishery speak for there aren't low levels of abundance, that is fishery speak for there aren't many fishery speak for there aren't many there fishery speak for there aren't many there and fishery speak for there aren't many there and action fishery speak for there aren't many there and action is fishery speak for there aren't many there and action is needed fishery speak for there aren't many there and action is needed to there and action is needed to rebuild there and action is needed to rebuild it there and action is needed to rebuild it to there and action is needed to rebuild it to sustainable there and action is needed to rebuild it to sustainable levels. rebuild it to sustainable levels. Given rebuild it to sustainable levels. Given my rebuild it to sustainable levels. Given my obligations rebuild it to sustainable levels. Given my obligations under Given my obligations under the Given my obligations under Given my obligations under the Fisheries Act Given my obligations under the Fisheries Act I Given my obligations under the Fisheries Act I have Given my obligations under the Fisheries Act I have decided Given my obligations under the Fisheries Act I have decided to Fisheries Act I have decided to reduce Fisheries Act I have decided to reduce the Fisheries Act I have decided to reduce the total Fisheries Act I have decided to reduce the total allowable Fisheries Act I have decided to reduce the total allowable catch reduce the total allowable catch from reduce the total allowable catch from 200 reduce the total allowable catch from 200 tonnes reduce the total allowable catch from 200 tonnes a reduce the total allowable catch from 200 tonnes a year reduce the total allowable catch from 200 tonnes a year to reduce the total allowable catch from 200 tonnes a year to 80 reduce the total allowable catch from 200 tonnes a year to 80 tonnes from 200 tonnes a year to 80 tonnes and from 200 tonnes a year to 80 tonnes reduce from 200 tonnes a year to 80 tonnes and the recreational from 200 tonnes a year to 80 tonnes and the recreational allowance from 200 tonnes a year to 80 tonnes and the recreational allowance and and the recreational allowance and the and the recreational allowance and the total and the recreational allowance and the total catch and the recreational allowance and the total catch is and the recreational allowance and the total catch is reduced and the recreational allowance and the total catch is reduced from and the recreational allowance and the total catch is reduced from 60% the total catch is reduced from 60% from the total catch is reduced from 60% from in 16. -- the total catch is reduced from 60% from in 16. -- 416.5 the total catch is reduced from 60% from in 16. -- 416.5 tonnes the total catch is reduced from 60% from in 16. -- 416.5 tonnes to the total catch is reduced from 60% from in 16. -- 416.5 tonnes to 173 from in 16. -- 416.5 tonnes to 173 tonnes. from in 16. -- 416.5 tonnes to 173 tonnes. Supplementary. from in 16. -- 416.5 tonnes to 173 tonnes. Supplementary. Was from in 16. -- 416.5 tonnes to 173 tonnes. Supplementary. Was complete tonnes. Supplementary. Was complete closure tonnes. Supplementary. Was complete closure of tonnes. Supplementary. Was complete closure of CRA2 tonnes. Supplementary. Was complete closure of CRA2 one tonnes. Supplementary. Was complete closure of CRA2 one of tonnes. Supplementary. Was complete closure of CRA2 one of the tonnes. Supplementary. Was complete closure of CRA2 one of the options closure of CRA2 one of the options he closure of CRA2 one of the options he considered? closure of CRA2 one of the options he considered? The closure of CRA2 one of the options he considered? The possibility closure of CRA2 one of the options he considered? The possibility of he considered? The possibility of complete he considered? The possibility of complete closure he considered? The possibility of complete closure was he considered? The possibility of complete closure was a he considered? The possibility of complete closure was a measure complete closure was a measure suggested complete closure was a measure suggested by complete closure was a measure suggested by some complete closure was a measure suggested by some submitters. suggested by some submitters. Closure suggested by some submitters. Closure of suggested by some submitters. Closure of the suggested by some submitters. Closure of the fisheries suggested by some submitters. Closure of the fisheries would suggested by some submitters. Closure of the fisheries would have Closure of the fisheries would have been Closure of the fisheries would have been a Closure of the fisheries would have been a very Closure of the fisheries would have been a very significant Closure of the fisheries would have been a very significant step Closure of the fisheries would have been a very significant step and been a very significant step and there been a very significant step and there is been a very significant step and there is no been a very significant step and there is no doubt been a very significant step and there is no doubt that been a very significant step and there is no doubt that crayfish been a very significant step and there is no doubt that crayfish step there is no doubt that crayfish step are there is no doubt that crayfish step are well there is no doubt that crayfish step are well below there is no doubt that crayfish step are well below the there is no doubt that crayfish step are well below the desired there is no doubt that crayfish step are well below the desired level there is no doubt that crayfish step are well below the desired level in are well below the desired level in the are well below the desired level in the CRA2 are well below the desired level in the CRA2 area. are well below the desired level in the CRA2 area. After are well below the desired level in the CRA2 area. After careful are well below the desired level in the CRA2 area. After careful thought the CRA2 area. After careful thought and the CRA2 area. After careful thought and consideration the CRA2 area. After careful thought and consideration the the CRA2 area. After careful thought and consideration the best the CRA2 area. After careful thought and consideration the best available and consideration the best available scientific and consideration the best available scientific information and consideration the best available scientific information I and consideration the best available scientific information I did and consideration the best available scientific information I did not and consideration the best available scientific information I did not see scientific information I did not see grounds scientific information I did not see grounds for scientific information I did not see grounds for closure scientific information I did not see grounds for closure of scientific information I did not see grounds for closure of the scientific information I did not see grounds for closure of the fishery grounds for closure of the fishery to grounds for closure of the fishery to all grounds for closure of the fishery to all sectors grounds for closure of the fishery to all sectors at grounds for closure of the fishery to all sectors at this grounds for closure of the fishery to all sectors at this time. grounds for closure of the fishery to all sectors at this time. Will to all sectors at this time. Will however to all sectors at this time. Will however continue to all sectors at this time. Will however continue to to all sectors at this time. Will however continue to monitor to all sectors at this time. Will however continue to monitor this however continue to monitor this fishery however continue to monitor this fishery closely however continue to monitor this fishery closely and however continue to monitor this fishery closely and if however continue to monitor this fishery closely and if the however continue to monitor this fishery closely and if the number however continue to monitor this fishery closely and if the number of fishery closely and if the number of crayfish fishery closely and if the number of crayfish does fishery closely and if the number of crayfish does not fishery closely and if the number of crayfish does not improve crayfish does not improve significantly, crayfish does not improve significantly, I crayfish does not improve significantly, I may crayfish does not improve significantly, I may have crayfish does not improve significantly, I may have to significantly, I may have to significantly, significantly, I may have to consider further measures significantly, I may have to consider further measures at significantly, I may have to consider further measures at the consider further measures at the consider further measures at the consider further measures at the next review. consider further measures at the next review. Supplementary. consider further measures at the next review. Supplementary. What next review. Supplementary. What responses next review. Supplementary. What responses has next review. Supplementary. What responses has the next review. Supplementary. What responses has the minister next review. Supplementary. What responses has the minister seen next review. Supplementary. What responses has the minister seen in responses has the minister seen in relation responses has the minister seen in relation to responses has the minister seen in relation to his responses has the minister seen in relation to his decision? responses has the minister seen in relation to his decision? The relation to his decision? The responses relation to his decision? The responses have relation to his decision? The responses have generally relation to his decision? The responses have generally been responses have generally been supportive responses have generally been supportive of responses have generally been supportive of the responses have generally been supportive of the reduction. responses have generally been supportive of the reduction. Groups supportive of the reduction. Groups such supportive of the reduction. Groups such as supportive of the reduction. Groups such as the supportive of the reduction. Groups such as the environmental supportive of the reduction. Groups such as the environmental events such as the environmental events such as the environmental events such as the environmental events society and such as the environmental events society and legacy such as the environmental events society and legacy and such as the environmental events society and legacy and recreational society and legacy and recreational divers society and legacy and recreational divers such society and legacy and recreational divers such as society and legacy and recreational divers such as those society and legacy and recreational divers such as those belonging society and legacy and recreational divers such as those belonging to divers such as those belonging to the divers such as those belonging to the mount divers such as those belonging to the mount Monganui divers such as those belonging to the mount Monganui underwater divers such as those belonging to the mount Monganui underwater club the mount Monganui underwater club have the mount Monganui underwater club have welcomed the mount Monganui underwater club have welcomed the the mount Monganui underwater club have welcomed the move. the mount Monganui underwater club have welcomed the move. I the mount Monganui underwater club have welcomed the move. I was have welcomed the move. I was pleased have welcomed the move. I was pleased that have welcomed the move. I was pleased that the have welcomed the move. I was pleased that the rock have welcomed the move. I was pleased that the rock lobster pleased that the rock lobster industry pleased that the rock lobster industry council pleased that the rock lobster industry council has pleased that the rock lobster industry council has committed pleased that the rock lobster industry council has committed to industry council has committed to helping industry council has committed to helping MPI industry council has committed to helping MPI and industry council has committed to helping MPI and the industry council has committed to helping MPI and the fisheries helping MPI and the fisheries compliance helping MPI and the fisheries compliance officers helping MPI and the fisheries compliance officers stamp helping MPI and the fisheries compliance officers stamp out helping MPI and the fisheries compliance officers stamp out the compliance officers stamp out the illegal compliance officers stamp out the illegal and compliance officers stamp out the illegal and black compliance officers stamp out the illegal and black market compliance officers stamp out the illegal and black market trade compliance officers stamp out the illegal and black market trade no illegal and black market trade no shellfish. illegal and black market trade no shellfish. Does illegal and black market trade no shellfish. Does the illegal and black market trade no shellfish. Does the minister illegal and black market trade no shellfish. Does the minister believe shellfish. Does the minister believe the shellfish. Does the minister believe the measures shellfish. Does the minister believe the measures introduced shellfish. Does the minister believe the measures introduced in shellfish. Does the minister believe the measures introduced in CRA2 shellfish. Does the minister believe the measures introduced in CRA2 will the measures introduced in CRA2 will be the measures introduced in CRA2 will be necessary the measures introduced in CRA2 will be necessary in the measures introduced in CRA2 will be necessary in other the measures introduced in CRA2 will be necessary in other regional the measures introduced in CRA2 will be necessary in other regional areas be necessary in other regional areas of be necessary in other regional areas of the be necessary in other regional areas of the fishery? be necessary in other regional areas of the fishery? We be necessary in other regional areas of the fishery? We reviewed be necessary in other regional areas of the fishery? We reviewed three of the fishery? We reviewed three other of the fishery? We reviewed three other fisheries of the fishery? We reviewed three other fisheries and of the fishery? We reviewed three other fisheries and we of the fishery? 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I I agree I agree that I agree that cameras I agree that cameras are I agree that cameras are one I agree that cameras are one useful I agree that cameras are one useful monitoring I agree that cameras are one useful monitoring tool I agree that cameras are one useful monitoring tool to I agree that cameras are one useful monitoring tool to help I agree that cameras are one useful monitoring tool to help protect I agree that cameras are one useful monitoring tool to help protect sea monitoring tool to help protect sea birds monitoring tool to help protect sea birds and monitoring tool to help protect sea birds and other monitoring tool to help protect sea birds and other marine monitoring tool to help protect sea birds and other marine species monitoring tool to help protect sea birds and other marine species from birds and other marine species from buy birds and other marine species from buy catch birds and other marine species from buy catch and birds and other marine species from buy catch and -- birds and other marine species from buy catch and -- by-catch birds and other marine species from buy catch and -- by-catch and buy catch and -- by-catch and buy catch and -- by-catch and buy catch and -- by-catch and commercial fishing buy catch and -- by-catch and commercial fishing nets. buy catch and -- by-catch and commercial fishing nets. Does buy catch and -- by-catch and commercial fishing nets. Does he buy catch and -- by-catch and commercial fishing nets. Does he is commercial fishing nets. Does he is accept commercial fishing nets. Does he is accept responsibility commercial fishing nets. Does he is accept responsibility for commercial fishing nets. Does he is accept responsibility for the commercial fishing nets. Does he is accept responsibility for the deaths accept responsibility for the deaths of accept responsibility for the deaths of dolphins accept responsibility for the deaths of dolphins and accept responsibility for the deaths of dolphins and sea accept responsibility for the deaths of dolphins and sea birds accept responsibility for the deaths of dolphins and sea birds happening of dolphins and sea birds happening due of dolphins and sea birds happening due to of dolphins and sea birds happening due to her of dolphins and sea birds happening due to her Government of dolphins and sea birds happening due to her Government deferring due to her Government deferring deployment due to her Government deferring deployment of due to her Government deferring deployment of cameras? due to her Government deferring deployment of cameras? As due to her Government deferring deployment of cameras? As the due to her Government deferring deployment of cameras? As the member deployment of cameras? As the member should deployment of cameras? As the member should be deployment of cameras? As the member should be well deployment of cameras? As the member should be well aware, deployment of cameras? As the member should be well aware, there deployment of cameras? As the member should be well aware, there were deployment of cameras? As the member should be well aware, there were a should be well aware, there were a number should be well aware, there were a number of should be well aware, there were a number of administrative should be well aware, there were a number of administrative and number of administrative and technical number of administrative and technical issue number of administrative and technical issue $with number of administrative and technical issue $with the number of administrative and technical issue $with the deployment technical issue $with the deployment of technical issue $with the deployment of cameras. technical issue $with the deployment of cameras. 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Is one of the technical difficulties the Hon the technical difficulties the Hon the technical difficulties the Hon the technical difficulties the Hon Shane Jones the technical difficulties the Hon Shane Jones and the technical difficulties the Hon Shane Jones and his the technical difficulties the Hon Shane Jones and his fishing the technical difficulties the Hon Shane Jones and his fishing industry Shane Jones and his fishing industry Shane Jones and his fishing industry Shane Jones and his fishing industry connections? I Shane Jones and his fishing industry connections? I am Shane Jones and his fishing industry connections? I am not Shane Jones and his fishing industry connections? I am not responsible connections? I am not responsible for connections? I am not responsible connections? connections? I am not responsible for any position connections? I am not responsible for any position that connections? I am not responsible for any position that New for any position that New Zealand for any position that New for any position that New Zealand First holds. for any position that New Zealand First holds. <INTERRUPTION> First holds. <INTERRUPTION> The First holds. <INTERRUPTION> The Hon First holds. <INTERRUPTION> The Hon Stuart First holds. <INTERRUPTION> The Hon Stuart Nash. First holds. <INTERRUPTION> The Hon Stuart Nash. Has First holds. <INTERRUPTION> The Hon Stuart Nash. Has the The Hon Stuart Nash. Has the Minister The Hon Stuart Nash. Has the Minister of The Hon Stuart Nash. Has the Minister of Conservation The Hon Stuart Nash. Has the Minister of Conservation received Minister of Conservation received Minister of Conservation received Minister of Conservation received assurances from Minister of Conservation received assurances from the Minister of Conservation received assurances from the Minister Minister of Conservation received assurances from the Minister of assurances from the Minister of assurances from the Minister of assurances from the Minister of Fisheries that assurances from the Minister of Fisheries that it assurances from the Minister of Fisheries that it is assurances from the Minister of Fisheries that it is a assurances from the Minister of Fisheries that it is a priority assurances from the Minister of Fisheries that it is a priority to Fisheries that it is a priority to Fisheries that it is a priority to Fisheries that it is a priority to resolve the Fisheries that it is a priority to resolve the problems Fisheries that it is a priority to resolve the problems around resolve the problems around implementation resolve the problems around implementation for resolve the problems around implementation for cameras resolve the problems around implementation for cameras on resolve the problems around implementation for cameras on boats implementation for cameras on boats that implementation for cameras on boats that were implementation for cameras on boats that were created implementation for cameras on boats that were created by implementation for cameras on boats that were created by the implementation for cameras on boats that were created by the previous that were created by the previous Government? And And because And because we And because we talk And because we talk often And because we talk often I And because we talk often I understand And because we talk often I understand the And because we talk often I understand the Minister And because we talk often I understand the Minister of And because we talk often I understand the Minister of Fisheries understand the Minister of Fisheries is understand the Minister of Fisheries is working understand the Minister of Fisheries is working hard understand the Minister of Fisheries is working hard to understand the Minister of Fisheries is working hard to resolve understand the Minister of Fisheries is working hard to resolve the understand the Minister of Fisheries is working hard to resolve the many is working hard to resolve the many technical is working hard to resolve the many technical and is working hard to resolve the many technical and administrative technical and administrative problems technical and administrative problems that technical and administrative problems that he technical and administrative problems that he inherited technical and administrative problems that he inherited from technical and administrative problems that he inherited from the problems that he inherited from the previous problems that he inherited from the previous Government. problems that he inherited from the previous Government. <INTERRUPTION> previous Government. <INTERRUPTION> previous Government. <INTERRUPTION> previous Government. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. Why previous Government. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. Why is previous Government. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. Why is the previous Government. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary. Why is the Government Supplementary. Why is the Government being Supplementary. Why is the Government being so Supplementary. Why is the Government being so sluggish Supplementary. Why is the Government being so sluggish in Supplementary. 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What responsibility does she take most seriously, Fisheries. What responsibility does she take most seriously, her Fisheries. What responsibility does she take most seriously, her duty Fisheries. 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Question No. champion them is overwhelming. Question No. 12. 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