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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. No No petitions, No petitions, papers No petitions, papers or No petitions, papers or select No petitions, papers or select committee No petitions, papers or select committee reports No petitions, papers or select committee reports have No petitions, papers or select committee reports have been committee reports have been presented committee reports have been presented and committee reports have been presented and no committee reports have been presented and no bills committee reports have been presented and no bills have committee reports have been presented and no bills have been presented and no bills have been introduced. presented and no bills have been introduced. The presented and no bills have been introduced. The House comes comes to comes to Oral comes to Oral Questions. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Prime My question is to the Prime Minister: My question is to the Prime Minister: Does My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she stand My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all My question is to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all of Minister: Does she stand by all of her Minister: Does she stand by all of her Government's Minister: Does she stand by all of her Government's policies Minister: Does she stand by all of her Government's policies and her Government's policies and actions? Yes. Yes. And Yes. And to Yes. And to save Yes. And to save time Yes. And to save time for Yes. And to save time for question Yes. And to save time for question 2 Yes. And to save time for question 2 - Yes. And to save time for question 2 - yes, Yes. And to save time for question 2 - yes, again. Yes. And to save time for question 2 - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> Don't - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> Don't you - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> Don't you worry - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> Don't you worry - - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> Don't you worry - I'll - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> Don't you worry - I'll still - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> Don't you worry - I'll still ask - yes, again. <INTERRUPTION> Don't you worry - I'll still ask it! Don't you worry - I'll still ask it! Order! Don't you worry - I'll still ask it! Order! Can Don't you worry - I'll still ask it! Order! Can she Don't you worry - I'll still ask it! Order! Can she confirm Don't you worry - I'll still ask it! Order! Can she confirm her Order! Can she confirm her Government's Order! Can she confirm her Government's policy Order! Can she confirm her Government's policy to Order! Can she confirm her Government's policy to slow Order! Can she confirm her Government's policy to slow debt Government's policy to slow debt reduction Government's policy to slow debt reduction has Government's policy to slow debt reduction has freed Government's policy to slow debt reduction has freed up Government's policy to slow debt reduction has freed up more Government's policy to slow debt reduction has freed up more than Government's policy to slow debt reduction has freed up more than $10 reduction has freed up more than $10 billion reduction has freed up more than $10 billion for reduction has freed up more than $10 billion for extra reduction has freed up more than $10 billion for extra Government billion for extra Government spending billion for extra Government spending by billion for extra Government spending by increasing billion for extra Government spending by increasing borrowing? billion for extra Government spending by increasing borrowing? I spending by increasing borrowing? I know spending by increasing borrowing? I spending spending by increasing borrowing? I know there's hot spending by increasing borrowing? I know there's hot anticipation spending by increasing borrowing? I know there's hot anticipation for know there's hot anticipation for our know there's hot anticipation for know know there's hot anticipation for our budget, but know there's hot anticipation for our budget, but I know there's hot anticipation for our budget, but I would know there's hot anticipation for our budget, but I would ask know there's hot anticipation for our budget, but I would ask the our budget, but I would ask the member our budget, but I would ask the member to our budget, but I would ask the member to wait our budget, but I would ask the member to wait until our budget, but I would ask the member to wait until 17 our budget, but I would ask the member to wait until 17 May. our budget, but I would ask the member to wait until 17 May. So, our budget, but I would ask the member to wait until 17 May. So, was member to wait until 17 May. So, was Grant member to wait until 17 May. So, was Grant Robertson member to wait until 17 May. So, was Grant Robertson wrong member to wait until 17 May. So, was Grant Robertson wrong when member to wait until 17 May. So, was Grant Robertson wrong when he member to wait until 17 May. So, was Grant Robertson wrong when he said Grant Robertson wrong when he said that Grant Robertson wrong when he said that he's Grant Robertson wrong when he said that he's got Grant Robertson wrong when he said that he's got $10 Grant Robertson wrong when he said that he's got $10 billion Grant Robertson wrong when he said that he's got $10 billion free Grant Robertson wrong when he said that he's got $10 billion free from that he's got $10 billion free from increased that he's got $10 billion free from increased borrowing? that he's got $10 billion free from increased borrowing? As that he's got $10 billion free from increased borrowing? 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What we have been clearly consistent about is, for clearly consistent about is, for instance, clearly consistent about is, for clearly clearly consistent about is, for instance, that we clearly consistent about is, for instance, that we will clearly consistent about is, for instance, that we will be clearly consistent about is, for instance, that we will be sticking instance, that we will be sticking to instance, that we will be sticking to our instance, that we will be sticking to our budget instance, that we will be sticking to our budget responsibility instance, that we will be sticking to our budget responsibility rules, to our budget responsibility rules, and to our budget responsibility rules, and particularly to our budget responsibility rules, and particularly as to our budget responsibility rules, and particularly as it to our budget responsibility rules, and particularly as it rates to our budget responsibility rules, and particularly as it rates to to our budget responsibility rules, and particularly as it rates to our and particularly as it rates to our debt. and particularly as it rates to our debt. Can and particularly as it rates to our debt. Can she and particularly as it rates to our debt. Can she confirm and particularly as it rates to our debt. Can she confirm that and particularly as it rates to our debt. Can she confirm that yesterday debt. Can she confirm that yesterday the debt. Can she confirm that yesterday the Foreign debt. Can she confirm that yesterday the Foreign Minister debt. Can she confirm that yesterday the Foreign Minister announced debt. Can she confirm that yesterday the Foreign Minister announced a the Foreign Minister announced a further the Foreign Minister announced a further $4.1 the Foreign Minister announced a further $4.1 billion the Foreign Minister announced a further $4.1 billion of the Foreign Minister announced a further $4.1 billion of tax further $4.1 billion of tax increases further $4.1 billion of tax further further $4.1 billion of tax increases and spending further $4.1 billion of tax increases and spending cuts further $4.1 billion of tax increases and spending cuts to further $4.1 billion of tax increases and spending cuts to free increases and spending cuts to free up increases and spending cuts to free further increases and spending cuts to free up more room increases and spending cuts to free up more room for increases and spending cuts to free up more room for new increases and spending cuts to free up more room for new spending increases and spending cuts to free up more room for new spending on up more room for new spending on tonne up more room for new spending on tonne of up more room for new spending on tonne of that up more room for new spending on tonne of that $10 up more room for new spending on tonne of that $10 billion up more room for new spending on tonne of that $10 billion in up more room for new spending on tonne of that $10 billion in ex-to tonne of that $10 billion in ex-to borrowing? tonne of that $10 billion in ex-to borrowing? -- tonne of that $10 billion in ex-to borrowing? -- in tonne of that $10 billion in ex-to borrowing? -- in extra tonne of that $10 billion in ex-to borrowing? -- in extra borrow? borrowing? -- in extra borrow? 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It is $700 million in reprioritisation. It is fair $700 million in reprioritisation. It is fair to $700 million in reprioritisation. It is fair to say $700 million in reprioritisation. It is fair to say this $700 million in reprioritisation. It is fair to say this is $700 million in reprioritisation. It is fair to say this is a $700 million in reprioritisation. It is fair to say this is a Government is fair to say this is a Government that is fair to say this is a Government that also is fair to say this is a Government that also was is fair to say this is a Government that also was much is fair to say this is a Government that also was much more is fair to say this is a Government that also was much more focused is fair to say this is a Government that also was much more focused on that also was much more focused on chasing that also was much more focused on chasing tax that also was much more focused on chasing tax dodgers that also was much more focused on chasing tax dodgers and that also was much more focused on chasing tax dodgers and uncollected chasing tax dodgers and uncollected tax chasing tax dodgers and uncollected tax from chasing tax dodgers and uncollected tax from multinationals chasing tax dodgers and uncollected tax from multinationals whether chasing tax dodgers and uncollected tax from multinationals whether the tax from multinationals whether the last tax from multinationals whether the last Government tax from multinationals whether the last Government want tax from multinationals whether the last Government want interested tax from multinationals whether the last Government want interested in. last Government want interested in. So last Government want interested in. last last Government want interested in. So will the last Government want interested in. So will the PM last Government want interested in. So will the PM answer last Government want interested in. So will the PM answer the last Government want interested in. So will the PM answer the question? So will the PM answer the question? Is So will the PM answer the question? Is it So will the PM answer the question? Is it $1.4 So will the PM answer the question? Is it $1.4 billion So will the PM answer the question? Is it $1.4 billion of So will the PM answer the question? Is it $1.4 billion of tax So will the PM answer the question? Is it $1.4 billion of tax increases Is it $1.4 billion of tax increases and Is it $1.4 billion of tax increases and tax Is it $1.4 billion of tax increases and tax cuts Is it $1.4 billion of tax increases and tax cuts - Is it $1.4 billion of tax increases and tax cuts - and Is it $1.4 billion of tax increases and tax cuts - and spending Is it $1.4 billion of tax increases and tax cuts - and spending cuts and tax cuts - and spending cuts that and tax cuts - and spending cuts that have and tax cuts - and spending cuts that have been and tax cuts - and spending cuts that have been freed and tax cuts - and spending cuts that have been freed up and tax cuts - and spending cuts that have been freed up with and tax cuts - and spending cuts that have been freed up with the that have been freed up with the announcement that have been freed up with the announcement by that have been freed up with the announcement by the that have been freed up with the announcement by the Foreign announcement by the Foreign Minister? announcement by the Foreign Minister? I announcement by the Foreign Minister? I refute announcement by the Foreign Minister? I refute the announcement by the Foreign Minister? I refute the premise announcement by the Foreign Minister? I refute the premise of Minister? I refute the premise of the Minister? I refute the premise of the question. Minister? I refute the premise of the question. He's Minister? I refute the premise of the question. He's framing Minister? I refute the premise of the question. He's framing these Minister? I refute the premise of the question. He's framing these as the question. He's framing these as spending the question. He's framing these as spending cuts. the question. He's framing these as spending cuts. I the question. He's framing these as spending cuts. I refute the question. He's framing these as spending cuts. I refute that. spending cuts. I refute that. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Will <INTERRUPTION> Will she <INTERRUPTION> Will she commit <INTERRUPTION> Will she commit to <INTERRUPTION> Will she commit to delivering <INTERRUPTION> Will she commit to delivering on <INTERRUPTION> Will she commit to delivering on a Will she commit to delivering on a promise Will she commit to delivering on a promise of Will she commit to delivering on a promise of universal Will she commit to delivering on a promise of universal $10 Will she commit to delivering on a promise of universal $10 reduction promise of universal $10 reduction in promise of universal $10 reduction in GP promise of universal $10 reduction in GP fees promise of universal $10 reduction in GP fees on promise of universal $10 reduction in GP fees on 1 promise of universal $10 reduction in GP fees on 1 July, promise of universal $10 reduction in GP fees on 1 July, given promise of universal $10 reduction in GP fees on 1 July, given the in GP fees on 1 July, given the substantial in GP fees on 1 July, given the substantial amount in GP fees on 1 July, given the substantial amount of in GP fees on 1 July, given the substantial amount of funding in GP fees on 1 July, given the substantial amount of funding she's substantial amount of funding she's got substantial amount of funding she's got available substantial amount of funding she's got available to substantial amount of funding she's got available to her? substantial amount of funding she's got available to her? Even substantial amount of funding she's got available to her? Even with substantial amount of funding she's got available to her? Even with that got available to her? Even with that reprioritisation got available to her? Even with that reprioritisation we've got available to her? Even with that reprioritisation we've still got available to her? Even with that reprioritisation we've still been reprioritisation we've still been left reprioritisation we've still been left with reprioritisation we've still been left with a reprioritisation we've still been left with a massive reprioritisation we've still been left with a massive social reprioritisation we've still been left with a massive social deficit, left with a massive social deficit, particularly left with a massive social deficit, particularly in left with a massive social deficit, particularly in the left with a massive social deficit, particularly in the area left with a massive social deficit, particularly in the area of particularly in the area of healthcare. particularly in the area of healthcare. <INTERRUPTION> healthcare. <INTERRUPTION> And healthcare. <INTERRUPTION> And the healthcare. <INTERRUPTION> And the member healthcare. <INTERRUPTION> And the member will healthcare. <INTERRUPTION> And the member will see healthcare. <INTERRUPTION> And the member will see on healthcare. <INTERRUPTION> And the member will see on Budget And the member will see on Budget day And the member will see on Budget day what And the member will see on Budget day what we're And the member will see on Budget day what we're doing And the member will see on Budget day what we're doing to And the member will see on Budget day what we're doing to start day what we're doing to start rebuilding day what we're doing to start rebuilding key day what we're doing to start rebuilding key services day what we're doing to start rebuilding key services for day what we're doing to start rebuilding key services for New rebuilding key services for New Zealanders. rebuilding key services for New Zealanders. <INTERRUPTION> Zealanders. <INTERRUPTION> When Zealanders. <INTERRUPTION> When will Zealanders. <INTERRUPTION> When will she Zealanders. <INTERRUPTION> When will she deliver Zealanders. <INTERRUPTION> When will she deliver on Zealanders. <INTERRUPTION> When will she deliver on her Zealanders. <INTERRUPTION> When will she deliver on her prom When will she deliver on her prom his When will she deliver on her prom his of When will she deliver on her prom his of -- When will she deliver on her prom his of -- promise When will she deliver on her prom his of -- promise of When will she deliver on her prom his of -- promise of universal When will she deliver on her prom his of -- promise of universal $10 his of -- promise of universal $10 reduction his of -- promise of universal $10 reduction in his of -- promise of universal $10 reduction in GP his of -- promise of universal $10 reduction in GP fees? his of -- promise of universal $10 reduction in GP fees? 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Of course, on Budget day the member will see Budget day the member will see exactly Budget day the member will see exactly what Budget day the member will see exactly what we're Budget day the member will see exactly what we're doing Budget day the member will see exactly what we're doing to Budget day the member will see exactly what we're doing to reduce exactly what we're doing to reduce the exactly what we're doing to reduce the 44% exactly what we're doing to reduce the 44% increase exactly what we're doing to reduce the 44% increase in exactly what we're doing to reduce the 44% increase in GP exactly what we're doing to reduce the 44% increase in GP costs exactly what we're doing to reduce the 44% increase in GP costs that the 44% increase in GP costs that New the 44% increase in GP costs that New Zealanders the 44% increase in GP costs that New Zealanders faced the 44% increase in GP costs that New Zealanders faced under the 44% increase in GP costs that New Zealanders faced under that New Zealanders faced under that Government. New Zealanders faced under that Government. <INTERRUPTION> Government. <INTERRUPTION> That Government. <INTERRUPTION> That is Government. <INTERRUPTION> That is right! Government. <INTERRUPTION> That is right! Is Government. <INTERRUPTION> That is right! Is it Government. <INTERRUPTION> That is right! Is it still Government. <INTERRUPTION> That is right! Is it still her That is right! Is it still her policy That is right! Is it still her policy to That is right! Is it still her policy to widen That is right! Is it still her policy to widen access That is right! Is it still her policy to widen access to That is right! Is it still her policy to widen access to a That is right! Is it still her policy to widen access to a very That is right! Is it still her policy to widen access to a very low policy to widen access to a very low cost policy to widen access to a very low cost GP policy to widen access to a very low cost GP visits policy to widen access to a very low cost GP visits to policy to widen access to a very low cost GP visits to 600,000 policy to widen access to a very low cost GP visits to 600,000 extra policy to widen access to a very low cost GP visits to 600,000 extra New cost GP visits to 600,000 extra New Zealanders cost GP visits to 600,000 extra New Zealanders on cost GP visits to 600,000 extra New Zealanders on 1 cost GP visits to 600,000 extra New Zealanders on 1 July, cost GP visits to 600,000 extra New Zealanders on 1 July, including Zealanders on 1 July, including senior Zealanders on 1 July, including senior citizens Zealanders on 1 July, including senior citizens and Zealanders on 1 July, including senior citizens and people Zealanders on 1 July, including senior citizens and people in Zealanders on 1 July, including senior citizens and people in social senior citizens and people in social housing, senior citizens and people in social housing, just senior citizens and people in social housing, just as senior citizens and people in social housing, just as National senior citizens and people in social housing, just as National campaigned housing, just as National campaigned on housing, just as National campaigned housing, housing, just as National campaigned on at the housing, just as National campaigned on at the election? housing, just as National campaigned on at the election? 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That is why money that were used by far fewer New Zealanders. That is why we're New Zealanders. That is why we're reinvesting New Zealanders. That is why we're reinvesting in New Zealanders. That is why we're reinvesting in local New Zealanders. That is why we're reinvesting in local roads, New Zealanders. That is why we're reinvesting in local roads, unlike reinvesting in local roads, unlike under reinvesting in local roads, unlike under the reinvesting in local roads, unlike under the National reinvesting in local roads, unlike under the National Government reinvesting in local roads, unlike under the National Government who under the National Government who cut under the National Government who cut funding under the National Government who cut funding West under the National Government who cut funding West Coast, under the National Government who cut funding West Coast, Taranaki, cut funding West Coast, Taranaki, Southland, cut funding West Coast, Taranaki, Southland, Otago, cut funding West Coast, Taranaki, Southland, Otago, in cut funding West Coast, Taranaki, Southland, Otago, in factland, Southland, Otago, in factland, Hawke's Southland, Otago, in factland, Hawke's Bay, Southland, Otago, in factland, Hawke's Bay, Gisborne Southland, Otago, in factland, Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Southland, Otago, in factland, Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Bay Southland, Otago, in factland, Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Bay of Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Bay of Plenty. Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Bay of Plenty. Can Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Bay of Plenty. Can the Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Bay of Plenty. Can the PM Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Bay of Plenty. Can the PM confirm Hawke's Bay, Gisborne and Bay of Plenty. Can the PM confirm that Plenty. Can the PM confirm that Auckland Plenty. Can the PM confirm that Auckland Council's Plenty. Can the PM confirm that Auckland Council's annual Plenty. Can the PM confirm that Auckland Council's annual wage Auckland Council's annual wage bill's Auckland Council's annual wage bill's increased Auckland Council's annual wage bill's increased by Auckland Council's annual wage bill's increased by $160 Auckland Council's annual wage bill's increased by $160 million Auckland Council's annual wage bill's increased by $160 million per bill's increased by $160 million per annum, bill's increased by $160 million per annum, more bill's increased by $160 million per annum, more than bill's increased by $160 million per annum, more than the bill's increased by $160 million per annum, more than the revenue bill's increased by $160 million per annum, more than the revenue of bill's increased by $160 million per annum, more than the revenue of the annum, more than the revenue of the regional annum, more than the revenue of the regional fuel annum, more than the revenue of the regional fuel tax annum, more than the revenue of the regional fuel tax and annum, more than the revenue of the regional fuel tax and does annum, more than the revenue of the regional fuel tax and does she annum, more than the revenue of the regional fuel tax and does she think regional fuel tax and does she think it regional fuel tax and does she think it is regional fuel tax and does she think it is better regional fuel tax and does she think it is better to regional fuel tax and does she think it is better to charge regional fuel tax and does she think it is better to charge Auckland it is better to charge Auckland families it is better to charge Auckland families $700 it is better to charge Auckland families $700 a it is better to charge Auckland families $700 a year it is better to charge Auckland families $700 a year in it is better to charge Auckland families $700 a year in fuel it is better to charge Auckland families $700 a year in fuel tax it is better to charge Auckland families $700 a year in fuel tax or families $700 a year in fuel tax or require families $700 a year in fuel tax or require the families $700 a year in fuel tax or require the council families $700 a year in fuel tax or require the council to families $700 a year in fuel tax or require the council to better families $700 a year in fuel tax or require the council to better manage require the council to better manage its require the council to better manage its spending? require the council to better manage its spending? Obviously require the council to better manage its spending? Obviously I require the council to better manage its spending? Obviously I have require the council to better manage its spending? Obviously I have no its spending? Obviously I have no responsibility its spending? Obviously I have no responsibility for its spending? Obviously I have no responsibility for the its spending? Obviously I have no responsibility for the nature its spending? Obviously I have no responsibility for the nature of responsibility for the nature of council responsibility for the nature of council spending. responsibility for the nature of council spending. What responsibility for the nature of council spending. What I responsibility for the nature of council spending. What I do responsibility for the nature of council spending. What I do know responsibility for the nature of council spending. What I do know is council spending. What I do know is that council spending. What I do know is that we council spending. What I do know is that we have council spending. What I do know is that we have at council spending. What I do know is that we have at least council spending. What I do know is that we have at least taken council spending. What I do know is that we have at least taken on council spending. What I do know is that we have at least taken on the that we have at least taken on the role that we have at least taken on the role of that we have at least taken on the role of ensuring that we have at least taken on the role of ensuring that that we have at least taken on the role of ensuring that we that we have at least taken on the role of ensuring that we properly role of ensuring that we properly fund role of ensuring that we properly fund the role of ensuring that we properly fund the commitments role of ensuring that we properly fund the commitments we role of ensuring that we properly fund the commitments we want role of ensuring that we properly fund the commitments we want to role of ensuring that we properly fund the commitments we want to make fund the commitments we want to make to fund the commitments we want to make to Aucklanders fund the commitments we want to make to Aucklanders who fund the commitments we want to make to Aucklanders who are fund the commitments we want to make to Aucklanders who are currently to Aucklanders who are currently spending to Aucklanders who are currently to to Aucklanders who are currently spending a good to Aucklanders who are currently spending a good chunk-of-their to Aucklanders who are currently spending a good chunk-of-their life spending a good chunk-of-their life in spending a good chunk-of-their life in congestion. spending a good chunk-of-their life in congestion. 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Unlike the least Government who had a $5.9 billion in Government who had a $5.9 billion in their Government who had a $5.9 billion in their ATAP Government who had a $5.9 billion in their ATAP spended Government who had a $5.9 billion in their ATAP spended and Government who had a $5.9 billion in their ATAP spended and no Government who had a $5.9 billion in their ATAP spended and no plan Government who had a $5.9 billion in their ATAP spended and no plan on their ATAP spended and no plan on how their ATAP spended and no plan on how to their ATAP spended and no plan on how to fund their ATAP spended and no plan on how to fund some their ATAP spended and no plan on how to fund some projects their ATAP spended and no plan on how to fund some projects that their ATAP spended and no plan on how to fund some projects that would how to fund some projects that would make how to fund some projects that would make the how to fund some projects that would make the biggest how to fund some projects that would make the biggest difference how to fund some projects that would make the biggest difference to how to fund some projects that would make the biggest difference to New make the biggest difference to New Zealanders make the biggest difference to New Zealanders - make the biggest difference to New Zealanders - it's make the biggest difference to New Zealanders - it's the make the biggest difference to New Zealanders - it's the truth. make the biggest difference to New Zealanders - it's the truth. Why Zealanders - it's the truth. Why doesn't Zealanders - it's the truth. Why doesn't the Zealanders - it's the truth. Why doesn't the PM Zealanders - it's the truth. Why doesn't the PM commit Zealanders - it's the truth. Why doesn't the PM commit to Zealanders - it's the truth. Why doesn't the PM commit to better doesn't the PM commit to better management doesn't the PM commit to better management of doesn't the PM commit to better management of both doesn't the PM commit to better management of both the doesn't the PM commit to better management of both the Government management of both the Government and management of both the Government management management of both the Government and council's finances management of both the Government and council's finances which management of both the Government and council's finances which will and council's finances which will allow and council's finances which will allow these and council's finances which will allow these projects and council's finances which will allow these projects to and council's finances which will allow these projects to go and council's finances which will allow these projects to go ahead, allow these projects to go ahead, without allow these projects to go ahead, without the allow these projects to go ahead, without the need allow these projects to go ahead, without the need for allow these projects to go ahead, without the need for a allow these projects to go ahead, without the need for a regional allow these projects to go ahead, without the need for a regional few without the need for a regional few tax? without the need for a regional few tax? 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Again, if the member wants to talk about better financial talk about better financial management, talk about better financial management, he'll talk about better financial management, he'll need talk about better financial management, he'll need to talk about better financial management, he'll need to explain talk about better financial management, he'll need to explain to management, he'll need to explain to the management, he'll need to explain to the House management, he'll need to explain to the House how management, he'll need to explain to the House how he management, he'll need to explain to the House how he was management, he'll need to explain to the House how he was going management, he'll need to explain to the House how he was going to management, he'll need to explain to the House how he was going to funded the House how he was going to funded the the House how he was going to funded the $5.9 the House how he was going to funded the $5.9 billion the House how he was going to funded the $5.9 billion in the House how he was going to funded the $5.9 billion in ATAP the House how he was going to funded the $5.9 billion in ATAP which the House how he was going to funded the $5.9 billion in ATAP which his the $5.9 billion in ATAP which his Government the $5.9 billion in ATAP which his Government let the $5.9 billion in ATAP which his Government let hang, the $5.9 billion in ATAP which his Government let hang, and the $5.9 billion in ATAP which his Government let hang, and not the $5.9 billion in ATAP which his Government let hang, and not only Government let hang, and not only was Government let hang, and not only was it Government let hang, and not only was it a Government let hang, and not only was it a $5.9 Government let hang, and not only was it a $5.9 billion Government let hang, and not only was it a $5.9 billion gap, Government let hang, and not only was it a $5.9 billion gap, it Government let hang, and not only was it a $5.9 billion gap, it grew was it a $5.9 billion gap, it grew to was it a $5.9 billion gap, it grew to $9.7 was it a $5.9 billion gap, it grew to $9.7 billion was it a $5.9 billion gap, it grew to $9.7 billion when was it a $5.9 billion gap, it grew to $9.7 billion when you was it a $5.9 billion gap, it grew to $9.7 billion when you factored was it a $5.9 billion gap, it grew to $9.7 billion when you factored in to $9.7 billion when you factored in inflation to $9.7 billion when you factored in inflation and to $9.7 billion when you factored in inflation and cost to $9.7 billion when you factored in inflation and cost increases. inflation and cost increases. 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The we expect to have a total of 8,000 completed homes. Order! The member completed homes. Order! The member will completed homes. Order! The member will resume completed homes. Order! The member will resume his completed homes. Order! The member will resume his seat. completed homes. Order! The member will resume his seat. We're completed homes. Order! The member will resume his seat. We're - will resume his seat. We're - there's will resume his seat. We're - there's been will resume his seat. We're - there's been two will resume his seat. We're - there's been two speeches will resume his seat. We're - there's been two speeches instead will resume his seat. We're - there's been two speeches instead of there's been two speeches instead of answers there's been two speeches instead of answers to there's been two speeches instead of answers to questions. there's been two speeches instead of answers to questions. Supplementary. answers to questions. Supplementary. 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It's comparable in scale to the first Labour Government's rebuild. It's comparable in scale to the first Labour Government's state the first Labour Government's state house the first Labour Government's state house building the first Labour Government's state house building programme, the first Labour Government's state house building programme, which the first Labour Government's state house building programme, which went house building programme, which went from house building programme, which went from 400 house building programme, which went from 400 houses house building programme, which went from 400 houses in house building programme, which went from 400 houses in the house building programme, which went from 400 houses in the first house building programme, which went from 400 houses in the first year house building programme, which went from 400 houses in the first year to from 400 houses in the first year to 4,000 from 400 houses in the first year to 4,000 in from 400 houses in the first year to 4,000 in the from 400 houses in the first year to 4,000 in the third. from 400 houses in the first year to 4,000 in the third. We from 400 houses in the first year to 4,000 in the third. We aim from 400 houses in the first year to 4,000 in the third. We aim to from 400 houses in the first year to 4,000 in the third. We aim to go 4,000 in the third. We aim to go from 4,000 in the third. We aim to go from 1,000 4,000 in the third. We aim to go from 1,000 in 4,000 in the third. We aim to go from 1,000 in the 4,000 in the third. We aim to go from 1,000 in the first 4,000 in the third. We aim to go from 1,000 in the first year 4,000 in the third. We aim to go from 1,000 in the first year to from 1,000 in the first year to 10,000 from 1,000 in the first year to 10,000 in from 1,000 in the first year to 10,000 in the from 1,000 in the first year to 10,000 in the third. from 1,000 in the first year to 10,000 in the third. Supplementary. 10,000 in the third. Supplementary. How 10,000 in the third. Supplementary. How will 10,000 in the third. Supplementary. How will families 10,000 in the third. Supplementary. How will families looking 10,000 in the third. Supplementary. How will families looking to 10,000 in the third. Supplementary. How will families looking to buy How will families looking to buy their How will families looking to buy their first How will families looking to buy their first home How will families looking to buy their first home be How will families looking to buy their first home be able How will families looking to buy their first home be able to How will families looking to buy their first home be able to purchase their first home be able to purchase a their first home be able to purchase a KiwiBuild their first home be able to purchase a KiwiBuild home? their first home be able to purchase a KiwiBuild home? There their first home be able to purchase a KiwiBuild home? There will their first home be able to purchase a KiwiBuild home? There will be their first home be able to purchase a KiwiBuild home? There will be a a KiwiBuild home? There will be a ballot a KiwiBuild home? There will be a ballot system, a KiwiBuild home? There will be a ballot system, similar a KiwiBuild home? There will be a ballot system, similar to a KiwiBuild home? There will be a ballot system, similar to that a KiwiBuild home? There will be a ballot system, similar to that used ballot system, similar to that used for ballot system, similar to that used for access ballot system, similar to that used for access homes ballot system, similar to that used for access homes at ballot system, similar to that used for access homes at Hobsonville, for access homes at Hobsonville, initiated for access homes at Hobsonville, for for access homes at Hobsonville, initiated under the for access homes at Hobsonville, initiated under the previous initiated under the previous Government. initiated under the previous Government. The initiated under the previous Government. The criteria initiated under the previous Government. 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Question No. course before the first homes are ready in September. Question No. 7. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all his Transport: Does he stand by all his statements Transport: Does he stand by all his statements and Transport: Does he stand by all his statements and actions Transport: Does he stand by all his statements and actions on Transport: Does he stand by all his statements and actions on fuel statements and actions on fuel taxes? Yes. Yes. When Yes. When described Yes. When described and Yes. When described and reported Yes. When described and reported accurately. Yes. 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