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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. Ginny Ginny Anderson Ginny Anderson Chris Ginny Anderson Chris Hipkins. Ginny Anderson Chris Hipkins. Next Ginny Anderson Chris Hipkins. Next week Ginny Anderson Chris Hipkins. Next week the Ginny Anderson Chris Hipkins. Next week the Government Ginny Anderson Chris Hipkins. Next week the Government will Ginny Anderson Chris Hipkins. Next week the Government will present Ginny Anderson Chris Hipkins. Next week the Government will present its week the Government will present its first week the Government will present its first Budget. week the Government will present its first Budget. On week the Government will present its first Budget. On Tuesday, week the Government will present its first Budget. On Tuesday, 15 week the Government will present its first Budget. On Tuesday, 15 May week the Government will present its first Budget. On Tuesday, 15 May the first Budget. On Tuesday, 15 May the House first Budget. On Tuesday, 15 May the House will first Budget. 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Thank that this answer will be heard in silence. Thank you that this answer will be heard in silence. Thank you Mr that this answer will be heard in silence. Thank you Mr Chair. that this answer will be heard in silence. Thank you Mr Chair. On silence. Thank you Mr Chair. On silence. Thank you Mr Chair. On silence. Thank you Mr Chair. On behalf of silence. Thank you Mr Chair. On behalf of the silence. Thank you Mr Chair. On behalf of the minister, silence. Thank you Mr Chair. On behalf of the minister, the silence. Thank you Mr Chair. On behalf of the minister, the main behalf of the minister, the main problem, behalf of the minister, the main problem, that behalf of the minister, the main problem, that is behalf of the minister, the main problem, that is member behalf of the minister, the main problem, that is member well behalf of the minister, the main problem, that is member well knows problem, that is member well knows is problem, that is member well knows is that problem, that is member well knows is that the problem, that is member well knows is that the modelling problem, that is member well knows is that the modelling that problem, that is member well knows is that the modelling that is problem, that is member well knows is that the modelling that is faced is that the modelling that is faced is is that the modelling that is faced is trying is that the modelling that is faced is trying to is that the modelling that is faced is trying to account is that the modelling that is faced is trying to account for is that the modelling that is faced is trying to account for the is that the modelling that is faced is trying to account for the animal is trying to account for the animal movements is trying to account for the animal movements that is trying to account for the animal movements that weren't is trying to account for the animal movements that weren't recorded is trying to account for the animal movements that weren't recorded in movements that weren't recorded in the movements that weren't recorded in the national movements that weren't recorded in the national animal movements that weren't recorded in the national animal tracing movements that weren't recorded in the national animal tracing system. the national animal tracing system. The the national animal tracing system. The hardworking, the national animal tracing system. The hardworking, diligent, the national animal tracing system. 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Supplementary question. Government... Order! That's enough. Supplementary question. Can Government... Order! That's enough. Supplementary question. Can I Government... Order! That's enough. Supplementary question. Can I ask Supplementary question. Can I ask the Supplementary question. Can I ask the minister Supplementary question. Can I ask the minister as Supplementary question. Can I ask the minister as to Supplementary question. Can I ask the minister as to whether Supplementary question. Can I ask the minister as to whether the the minister as to whether the Government the minister as to whether the Government would the minister as to whether the Government would consider the minister as to whether the Government would consider the Government would consider the possibility Government would consider the possibility of Government would consider the possibility of a Government would consider the possibility of a Farm Government would consider the possibility of a Farm Debt Government would consider the possibility of a Farm Debt Mediation possibility of a Farm Debt Mediation Supplementary possibility of a Farm Debt Mediation Bill something which possibility of a Farm Debt Mediation Bill something which the possibility of a Farm Debt Mediation Bill something which the Labour Bill something which the Labour Party Bill something which the Labour Party and Bill something which the Labour Party and New Bill something which the Labour Party and New Zealand Bill something which the Labour Party and New Zealand First Bill something which the Labour Party and New Zealand First have Party and New Zealand First have Party and New Zealand First have Party and New Zealand First have supported in Party and New Zealand First have supported in the Party and New Zealand First have supported in the past Party and New Zealand First have supported in the past but Party and New Zealand First have supported in the past but which Party and New Zealand First have supported in the past but which the supported in the past but which the National supported in the past but which the National Party supported in the past but which the National Party opposed? supported in the past but which the National Party opposed? Absolutely. National Party opposed? Absolutely. We National Party opposed? Absolutely. We are National Party opposed? Absolutely. We are a National Party opposed? Absolutely. We are a Government National Party opposed? Absolutely. We are a Government - National Party opposed? Absolutely. We are a Government - a National Party opposed? Absolutely. We are a Government - a Coalition We are a Government - a Coalition Government We are a Government - a Coalition We We are a Government - a Coalition Government of action We are a Government - a Coalition Government of action and We are a Government - a Coalition Government of action and doing We are a Government - a Coalition Government of action and doing the Government of action and doing the right Government of action and doing the right things Government of action and doing the right things by Government of action and doing the right things by farmers Government of action and doing the right things by farmers throughout right things by farmers throughout right things by farmers throughout right things by farmers throughout New Zealand right things by farmers throughout New Zealand and right things by farmers throughout New Zealand and they right things by farmers throughout New Zealand and they are right things by farmers throughout New Zealand and they are seeing right things by farmers throughout New Zealand and they are seeing it New Zealand and they are seeing it as New Zealand and they are seeing it as we New Zealand and they are seeing it as we speak. Supplementary. Supplementary. Why Supplementary. Why are Supplementary. Why are M. Supplementary. Why are M. Bovis Supplementary. Why are M. Bovis cattle Supplementary. Why are M. Bovis cattle being Supplementary. Why are M. Bovis cattle being trucked Supplementary. Why are M. Bovis cattle being trucked to Supplementary. Why are M. Bovis cattle being trucked to Gore Supplementary. Why are M. 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Surely is no food safety issues with the meat? Surely this is no food safety issues with the meat? Surely this seems is no food safety issues with the meat? Surely this seems wasteful? is no food safety issues with the meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As I meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As I said, meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As I said, if meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As I said, if we meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As I said, if we had meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As I said, if we had the meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As I said, if we had the NAIT meat? Surely this seems wasteful? As I said, if we had the NAIT system I said, if we had the NAIT system properly I said, if we had the NAIT system properly implemented, I said, if we had the NAIT system properly implemented, then I said, if we had the NAIT system properly implemented, then we I said, if we had the NAIT system properly implemented, then we would properly implemented, then we would have properly implemented, then we would have had properly implemented, then we would have had clear properly implemented, then we would have had clear records properly implemented, then we would have had clear records on properly implemented, then we would have had clear records on the have had clear records on the have had clear records on the have had clear records on the movements of have had clear records on the movements of animals. have had clear records on the movements of animals. We have had clear records on the movements of animals. We are have had clear records on the movements of animals. We are looking movements of animals. We are looking at movements of animals. We are looking at the movements of animals. We are looking at the NAIT movements of animals. We are looking at the NAIT to movements of animals. We are looking at the NAIT to improve movements of animals. We are looking at the NAIT to improve it movements of animals. We are looking at the NAIT to improve it so movements of animals. 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Well, the member actually did do with animal tracing movements. Well, the member actually did ask Well, the member actually did ask how Well, the member actually did ask how come Well, the member actually did ask how come dead Well, the member actually did ask how come dead animals Well, the member actually did ask how come dead animals were Well, the member actually did ask how come dead animals were being how come dead animals were being how come dead animals were being how come dead animals were being taken to how come dead animals were being taken to some how come dead animals were being taken to some place how come dead animals were being taken to some place other how come dead animals were being taken to some place other than how come dead animals were being taken to some place other than where taken to some place other than where they taken to some place other than where they were taken to some place other than where they were slaughtered. taken to some place other than where they were slaughtered. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Defence: My question is to the Minister of Defence: What My question is to the Minister of Defence: What progress, My question is to the Minister of Defence: What progress, if My question is to the Minister of Defence: What progress, if any, My question is to the Minister of Defence: What progress, if any, has Defence: What progress, if any, has been Defence: What progress, if any, has been made Defence: What progress, if any, has been made regarding Defence: What progress, if any, has been made regarding aircrew Defence: What progress, if any, has been made regarding aircrew training been made regarding aircrew training capability been made regarding aircrew training capability for been made regarding aircrew training capability for the been made regarding aircrew training capability for the Royal been made regarding aircrew training capability for the Royal New been made regarding aircrew training capability for the Royal New Zealand capability for the Royal New Zealand Air capability for the Royal New Zealand Air Force? 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Today I announced the - that the first of four leased the - that the first of four leased Beechcraft, the - that the first of four leased Beechcraft, KA the - that the first of four leased Beechcraft, KA 350 the - that the first of four leased Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft the - that the first of four leased Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has the - that the first of four leased Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has been Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has been certified Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has been certified by Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has been certified by use Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has been certified by use of Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has been certified by use of the Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has been certified by use of the Royal Beechcraft, KA 350 aircraft has been certified by use of the Royal New certified by use of the Royal New certified by use of the Royal New certified by use of the Royal New Zealand air certified by use of the Royal New Zealand air force certified by use of the Royal New Zealand air force marking certified by use of the Royal New Zealand air force marking a certified by use of the Royal New Zealand air force marking a step Zealand air force marking a step change Zealand air force marking a step change in Zealand air force marking a step change in the Zealand air force marking a step change in the future Zealand air force marking a step change in the future of Zealand air force marking a step change in the future of air Zealand air force marking a step change in the future of air crew change in the future of air crew change in the future of air crew change in the future of air crew training. The change in the future of air crew training. The new change in the future of air crew training. The new aircraft change in the future of air crew training. The new aircraft will training. The new aircraft will replace training. The new aircraft will replace the training. The new aircraft will replace the B training. The new aircraft will replace the B 200 training. The new aircraft will replace the B 200 air training. The new aircraft will replace the B 200 air fleet training. The new aircraft will replace the B 200 air fleet that replace the B 200 air fleet that provides replace the B 200 air fleet that provides RANZF replace the B 200 air fleet that provides RANZF multi-engine replace the B 200 air fleet that provides RANZF multi-engine pilot provides RANZF multi-engine pilot training provides RANZF multi-engine pilot training and provides RANZF multi-engine pilot training and light provides RANZF multi-engine pilot training and light airlift training and light airlift operations training and light airlift operations such training and light airlift operations such as training and light airlift operations such as transport training and light airlift operations such as transport and operations such as transport and humanitarian operations such as transport and humanitarian assistance operations such as transport and humanitarian assistance and operations such as transport and humanitarian assistance and disaster humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The new humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The new fleet humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The new fleet will humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. The new fleet will also relief. The new fleet will also enable relief. The new fleet will also enable specialist relief. The new fleet will also enable specialist crew relief. The new fleet will also enable specialist crew training relief. The new fleet will also enable specialist crew training such enable specialist crew training such as enable specialist crew training such as navigation, enable specialist crew training such as navigation, flight enable specialist crew training such as navigation, flight training, as navigation, flight training, mission as navigation, flight training, mission management as navigation, flight training, mission management and mission management and communications mission management and communications to mission management and communications to be mission management and communications to be brought mission management and communications to be brought back mission management and communications to be brought back to communications to be brought back to New communications to be brought back to New Zealand communications to be brought back to New Zealand after communications to be brought back to New Zealand after more communications to be brought back to New Zealand after more than communications to be brought back to New Zealand after more than two New Zealand after more than two decades New Zealand after more than two decades of New Zealand after more than two decades of being New Zealand after more than two decades of being based New Zealand after more than two decades of being based in New Zealand after more than two decades of being based in Australia. decades of being based in Australia. Mr decades of being based in Australia. Mr Speaker, decades of being based in Australia. Mr Speaker, an decades of being based in Australia. Mr Speaker, an additional decades of being based in Australia. Mr Speaker, an additional boost decades of being based in Australia. Mr Speaker, an additional boost to Mr Speaker, an additional boost to air Mr Speaker, an additional boost to air force Mr Speaker, an additional boost to air force capability, Mr Speaker, an additional boost to air force capability, two Mr Speaker, an additional boost to air force capability, two of Mr Speaker, an additional boost to air force capability, two of the air force capability, two of the aircraft air force capability, two of the aircraft will air force capability, two of the aircraft will be air force capability, two of the aircraft will be configured air force capability, two of the aircraft will be configured to aircraft will be configured to assist aircraft will be configured to assist in aircraft will be configured to assist in the aircraft will be configured to assist in the important aircraft will be configured to assist in the important maritime assist in the important maritime surveillance assist in the important maritime surveillance tasks assist in the important maritime surveillance tasks across assist in the important maritime surveillance tasks across our surveillance tasks across our Exclusive surveillance tasks across our Exclusive Economic surveillance tasks across our Exclusive Economic Zone, surveillance tasks across our Exclusive Economic Zone, a surveillance tasks across our Exclusive Economic Zone, a contract Exclusive Economic Zone, a contract worth Exclusive Economic Zone, a contract worth over Exclusive Economic Zone, a contract worth over $10 Exclusive Economic Zone, a contract worth over $10 million Exclusive Economic Zone, a contract worth over $10 million per Exclusive Economic Zone, a contract worth over $10 million per year Exclusive Economic Zone, a contract worth over $10 million per year for worth over $10 million per year for 10 worth over $10 million per year for 10 years worth over $10 million per year for 10 years will worth over $10 million per year for 10 years will be worth over $10 million per year for 10 years will be delivered worth over $10 million per year for 10 years will be delivered with worth over $10 million per year for 10 years will be delivered with no 10 years will be delivered with no increase 10 years will be delivered with no increase in 10 years will be delivered with no increase in operating 10 years will be delivered with no increase in operating costs 10 years will be delivered with no increase in operating costs for 10 years will be delivered with no increase in operating costs for the increase in operating costs for the Defence increase in operating costs for the Defence Force. increase in operating costs for the Defence Force. The increase in operating costs for the Defence Force. The remaining increase in operating costs for the Defence Force. The remaining three Defence Force. The remaining three aircraft Defence Force. The remaining three aircraft will Defence Force. The remaining three aircraft will be Defence Force. The remaining three aircraft will be delivered aircraft will be delivered progressively aircraft will be delivered progressively over aircraft will be delivered progressively over the aircraft will be delivered progressively over the next aircraft will be delivered progressively over the next year. progressively over the next year. Supplementary. progressively over the next year. Supplementary. What progressively over the next year. Supplementary. What is progressively over the next year. Supplementary. What is the progressively over the next year. Supplementary. What is the benefit Supplementary. What is the benefit to Supplementary. What is the benefit to the Supplementary. What is the benefit to the air Supplementary. What is the benefit to the air force Supplementary. What is the benefit to the air force of Supplementary. What is the benefit to the air force of having Supplementary. What is the benefit to the air force of having the Supplementary. What is the benefit to the air force of having the KA to the air force of having the KA 350 to the air force of having the KA 350 capability to the air force of having the KA 350 capability in to the air force of having the KA 350 capability in New to the air force of having the KA 350 capability in New Zealand? to the air force of having the KA 350 capability in New Zealand? Great 350 capability in New Zealand? Great question, 350 capability in New Zealand? Great question, Mr 350 capability in New Zealand? Great question, Mr Speaker. 350 capability in New Zealand? Great question, Mr Speaker. Air 350 capability in New Zealand? Great question, Mr Speaker. Air crew... question, Mr Speaker. 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Air crew training of NZDef personnel has taken place of NZDef personnel has taken place in of NZDef personnel has taken place in Australia of NZDef personnel has taken place in Australia since of NZDef personnel has taken place in Australia since 1993 of NZDef personnel has taken place in Australia since 1993 where of NZDef personnel has taken place in Australia since 1993 where the in Australia since 1993 where the students in Australia since 1993 where the students were in Australia since 1993 where the students were based in Australia since 1993 where the students were based for in Australia since 1993 where the students were based for one in Australia since 1993 where the students were based for one year in Australia since 1993 where the students were based for one year at students were based for one year at a students were based for one year at a time. students were based for one year at a time. This students were based for one year at a time. This brings students were based for one year at a time. This brings that students were based for one year at a time. This brings that training a time. This brings that training home a time. This brings that training home by a time. This brings that training home by having a time. This brings that training home by having the a time. This brings that training home by having the KA a time. This brings that training home by having the KA 350 a time. This brings that training home by having the KA 350 capability home by having the KA 350 capability in home by having the KA 350 capability in New home by having the KA 350 capability in New Zealand, home by having the KA 350 capability in New Zealand, New home by having the KA 350 capability in New Zealand, New Zealand home by having the KA 350 capability in New Zealand, New Zealand Defence in New Zealand, New Zealand Defence Force in New Zealand, New Zealand Defence Force personnel in New Zealand, New Zealand Defence Force personnel required in New Zealand, New Zealand Defence Force personnel required to in New Zealand, New Zealand Defence Force personnel required to undergo Force personnel required to undergo Force personnel required to undergo Force personnel required to undergo air crew Force personnel required to undergo air crew training Force personnel required to undergo air crew training will Force personnel required to undergo air crew training will no Force personnel required to undergo air crew training will no longer air crew training will no longer need air crew training will no longer need to air crew training will no longer need to travel air crew training will no longer need to travel offshore air crew training will no longer need to travel offshore for air crew training will no longer need to travel offshore for long need to travel offshore for long periods. need to travel offshore for long periods. This need to travel offshore for long periods. This reduces need to travel offshore for long periods. This reduces the periods. This reduces the inefficiencies periods. This reduces the inefficiencies related periods. This reduces the inefficiencies related to periods. This reduces the inefficiencies related to remote inefficiencies related to remote training inefficiencies related to remote training in inefficiencies related to remote training in both inefficiencies related to remote training in both relation inefficiencies related to remote training in both relation to training in both relation to training training in both relation to training and training in both relation to training and cost. training in both relation to training and cost. The training in both relation to training and cost. The extensive training and cost. The extensive bringing training and cost. The extensive bringing training training and cost. The extensive bringing training will training and cost. 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How other tasks here at home in New Zealand. How does other tasks here at home in New Zealand. How does the other tasks here at home in New Zealand. How does the lease other tasks here at home in New Zealand. How does the lease of other tasks here at home in New Zealand. How does the lease of 4 other tasks here at home in New Zealand. How does the lease of 4 KA Zealand. How does the lease of 4 KA 350s Zealand. How does the lease of 4 KA 350s affect Zealand. How does the lease of 4 KA 350s affect local Zealand. How does the lease of 4 KA 350s affect local industry Zealand. How does the lease of 4 KA 350s affect local industry and Zealand. How does the lease of 4 KA 350s affect local industry and jobs 350s affect local industry and jobs in 350s affect local industry and jobs in New 350s affect local industry and jobs in New Zealand? 350s affect local industry and jobs in New Zealand? More 350s affect local industry and jobs in New Zealand? More good 350s affect local industry and jobs in New Zealand? More good news. 350s affect local industry and jobs in New Zealand? More good news. The in New Zealand? More good news. The prime in New Zealand? More good news. The prime contractor in New Zealand? More good news. The prime contractor for in New Zealand? More good news. The prime contractor for the in New Zealand? More good news. The prime contractor for the KA in New Zealand? More good news. The prime contractor for the KA 350s in New Zealand? More good news. The prime contractor for the KA 350s is prime contractor for the KA 350s is Hawker prime contractor for the KA 350s is Hawker Pacific prime contractor for the KA 350s is Hawker Pacific New prime contractor for the KA 350s is Hawker Pacific New Zealand prime contractor for the KA 350s is Hawker Pacific New Zealand Limited Hawker Pacific New Zealand Limited with Hawker Pacific New Zealand Limited with 18 Hawker Pacific New Zealand Limited with 18 full-time Hawker Pacific New Zealand Limited with 18 full-time employees Hawker Pacific New Zealand Limited with 18 full-time employees working with 18 full-time employees working at with 18 full-time employees working at Ohakea, with 18 full-time employees working at Ohakea, the with 18 full-time employees working at Ohakea, the Hawker with 18 full-time employees working at Ohakea, the Hawker Pacific with 18 full-time employees working at Ohakea, the Hawker Pacific employ at Ohakea, the Hawker Pacific employ local at Ohakea, the Hawker Pacific employ local and at Ohakea, the Hawker Pacific employ local and New at Ohakea, the Hawker Pacific employ local and New Zealand-wide at Ohakea, the Hawker Pacific employ local and New Zealand-wide witnesses local and New Zealand-wide witnesses to local and New Zealand-wide witnesses to provide local and New Zealand-wide witnesses to provide services local and New Zealand-wide witnesses to provide services and local and New Zealand-wide witnesses to provide services and equipment, to provide services and equipment, including to provide services and equipment, including flight to provide services and equipment, including flight interiors... including flight interiors... <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Put <INTERRUPTION> Put the <INTERRUPTION> Put the question. <INTERRUPTION> Put the question. 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The lease also supports Murretts an The lease also supports Murretts an award-winning The lease also supports Murretts an award-winning and The lease also supports Murretts an award-winning and rapidly The lease also supports Murretts an award-winning and rapidly growing award-winning and rapidly growing Auckland-based award-winning and rapidly growing Auckland-based software award-winning and rapidly growing Auckland-based software company award-winning and rapidly growing Auckland-based software company that Auckland-based software company that is Auckland-based software company that is working Auckland-based software company that is working alongside Auckland-based software company that is working alongside hawker Auckland-based software company that is working alongside hawker Pacific is working alongside hawker Pacific to is working alongside hawker Pacific to integrate is working alongside hawker Pacific to integrate the is working alongside hawker Pacific to integrate the training is working alongside hawker Pacific to integrate the training systems to integrate the training systems with to integrate the training systems with the to integrate the training systems with the aircraft to integrate the training systems with the aircraft and to integrate the training systems with the aircraft and training with the aircraft and training suite. with the aircraft and training suite. How with the aircraft and training suite. How successful with the aircraft and training suite. How successful have with the aircraft and training suite. How successful have recent suite. How successful have recent pilot suite. How successful have recent pilot training suite. How successful have recent pilot training programmes suite. How successful have recent pilot training programmes be pilot training programmes be overall? pilot training programmes be overall? The pilot training programmes be overall? The arrival pilot training programmes be overall? The arrival of pilot training programmes be overall? The arrival of the pilot training programmes be overall? The arrival of the KA overall? The arrival of the KA 350s overall? The arrival of the KA overall? The arrival of the KA 350s completes the overall? The arrival of the KA 350s completes the full overall? The arrival of the KA 350s completes the full revitalisation overall? The arrival of the KA 350s completes the full revitalisation of completes the full revitalisation of pilot completes the full revitalisation of pilot and completes the full revitalisation of pilot and air completes the full revitalisation of pilot and air crew completes the full revitalisation of pilot and air crew training completes the full revitalisation of pilot completes the full revitalisation of activities for the completes the full revitalisation of activities for the New completes the full revitalisation of activities for the New Zealand completes the full revitalisation of activities for the New Zealand air activities for the New Zealand air force activities for the New Zealand air force bringing activities for the New Zealand air force bringing them activities for the New Zealand air force bringing them right activities for the New Zealand air force bringing them right up activities for the New Zealand air force bringing them right up to activities for the New Zealand air force bringing them right up to date force bringing them right up to date to force bringing them right up to date to the force bringing them right up to date to the highest force bringing them right up to date to the highest performance force bringing them right up to date to the highest performance in force bringing them right up to date to the highest performance in safety to the highest performance in safety standards, to the highest performance in safety standards, basic to the highest performance in safety standards, basic training to the highest performance in safety standards, basic training is to the highest performance in safety standards, basic training is now standards, basic training is now undertaken standards, basic training is now undertaken on standards, basic training is now undertaken on the standards, basic training is now undertaken on the 11 standards, basic training is now undertaken on the 11 new standards, basic training is now undertaken on the 11 new Beechcraft undertaken on the 11 new Beechcraft Texan undertaken on the 11 new Beechcraft Texan aircraft undertaken on the 11 new Beechcraft Texan aircraft supported undertaken on the 11 new Beechcraft Texan aircraft supported by Texan aircraft supported by simulators Texan aircraft supported by simulators and Texan aircraft supported by simulators and other Texan aircraft supported by simulators and other advanced simulators and other advanced ground-based simulators and other advanced ground-based training simulators and other advanced ground-based training systems simulators and other advanced ground-based training systems and ground-based training systems and which ground-based training systems and which is ground-based training systems and which is also, ground-based training systems and which is also, thankfully, ground-based training systems and which is also, thankfully, and which is also, thankfully, and spectacularly, which is also, thankfully, and spectacularly, allowed which is also, thankfully, and spectacularly, allowed the spectacularly, allowed the revitalisation spectacularly, allowed the revitalisation - spectacularly, allowed the revitalisation - regeneration spectacularly, allowed the revitalisation - regeneration of spectacularly, allowed the revitalisation - regeneration of our revitalisation - regeneration of our Air revitalisation - regeneration of our Air Force revitalisation - regeneration of our Air Force aero revitalisation - regeneration of our Air Force aero battic revitalisation - regeneration of our Air Force aero battic team revitalisation - regeneration of our Air Force aero battic team the revitalisation - regeneration of our Air Force aero battic team the Black Air Force aero battic team the Black Air Force aero battic team the Black Air Force aero battic team the Black Falcons. Fantastic Air Force aero battic team the Black Falcons. Fantastic news, Air Force aero battic team the Black Falcons. Fantastic news, isn't Air Force aero battic team the Black Falcons. Fantastic news, isn't it? Falcons. Fantastic news, isn't it? <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Does <INTERRUPTION> Does the <INTERRUPTION> Does the member <INTERRUPTION> Does the member want <INTERRUPTION> Does the member want a <INTERRUPTION> Does the member want a question? <INTERRUPTION> Does the member want a question? I Does the member want a question? I very Does the member want a question? I very tempted Does the member want a question? I very tempted to Does the member want a question? I very tempted to ask Does the member want a question? I very tempted to ask if Does the member want a question? I very tempted to ask if they Does the member want a question? I very tempted to ask if they can Does the member want a question? I very tempted to ask if they can land very tempted to ask if they can land at very tempted to ask if they can land at Masterton very tempted to ask if they can land at Masterton or very tempted to ask if they can land at Masterton or if very tempted to ask if they can land at Masterton or if they very tempted to ask if they can land at Masterton or if they have very tempted to ask if they can land at Masterton or if they have to very tempted to ask if they can land at Masterton or if they have to go at Masterton or if they have to go to at Masterton or if they have to go to Carterton? at Masterton or if they have to go to Carterton? Probably, at Masterton or if they have to go to Carterton? Probably, yes, at Masterton or if they have to go to Carterton? Probably, yes, we at Masterton or if they have to go to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will soon find to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will soon find outment to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will soon find outment pop to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will soon find outment pop over, to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will soon find outment pop over, we to Carterton? Probably, yes, we will soon find outment pop over, we will soon find outment pop over, we will give soon find outment pop over, we will give you soon find outment pop over, we will give you a soon find outment pop over, we will give you a flight. soon find outment pop over, we will give you a flight. One soon find outment pop over, we will give you a flight. One thing soon find outment pop over, we will give you a flight. One thing I soon find outment pop over, we will give you a flight. One thing I can give you a flight. One thing I can tell give you a flight. One thing I can tell you, give you a flight. One thing I can tell you, Mr give you a flight. One thing I can tell you, Mr Speaker, give you a flight. One thing I can tell you, Mr Speaker, they give you a flight. One thing I can tell you, Mr Speaker, they will give you a flight. One thing I can tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not be tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not be able tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not be able to tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not be able to take tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not be able to take mark tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not be able to take mark Mitchell tell you, Mr Speaker, they will not be able to take mark Mitchell from be able to take mark Mitchell from his be able to take mark Mitchell from his home be able to take mark Mitchell from his home 20 be able to take mark Mitchell from his home 20 minutes be able to take mark Mitchell from his home 20 minutes from be able to take mark Mitchell from his home 20 minutes from his be able to take mark Mitchell from his home 20 minutes from his home... his home 20 minutes from his home... It's his home 20 minutes from his home... It's alright. his home 20 minutes from his home... It's alright. That's his home 20 minutes from his home... It's alright. That's enough. It's alright. That's enough. Question It's alright. That's enough. Question No. It's alright. That's enough. Question No. 7. It's It's alright. It's alright. That's It's alright. That's enough. It's alright. That's enough. Question It's alright. That's enough. Question No. It's alright. That's enough. Question No. 7. 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When did he know about the existing Canterbury School the existing Canterbury School Rebuild the existing Canterbury School Rebuild Programme the existing Canterbury School Rebuild Programme being the existing Canterbury School Rebuild Programme being appropriated Rebuild Programme being appropriated on Rebuild Programme being appropriated on a Rebuild Programme being appropriated on a yearly Rebuild Programme being appropriated on a yearly basis Rebuild Programme being appropriated on a yearly basis and Rebuild Programme being appropriated on a yearly basis and why Rebuild Programme being appropriated on a yearly basis and why didn't Rebuild Programme being appropriated on a yearly basis and why didn't he on a yearly basis and why didn't he include on a yearly basis and why didn't he include it on a yearly basis and why didn't he include it in on a yearly basis and why didn't he include it in Labour's on a yearly basis and why didn't he include it in Labour's fiscal include it in Labour's fiscal costings include it in Labour's fiscal costings before include it in Labour's fiscal costings before the include it in Labour's fiscal costings before the election? include it in Labour's fiscal costings before the election? The costings before the election? The costings before the election? The costings before the election? The member didn't costings before the election? The member didn't listen costings before the election? The member didn't listen to costings before the election? The member didn't listen to my costings before the election? The member didn't listen to my first member didn't listen to my first member didn't listen to my first member didn't listen to my first answer. I member didn't listen to my first answer. I knew member didn't listen to my first answer. I knew about member didn't listen to my first answer. I knew about that member didn't listen to my first answer. I knew about that when member didn't listen to my first answer. I knew about that when the answer. I knew about that when the Government answer. I knew about that when the Government announced answer. I knew about that when the Government announced it answer. I knew about that when the Government announced it at answer. I knew about that when the Government announced it at the answer. I knew about that when the Government announced it at the time Government announced it at the time because Government announced it at the time because I Government announced it at the time because I criticised Government announced it at the time because I criticised their Government announced it at the time because I criticised their decision because I criticised their decision not because I criticised their decision not to because I criticised their decision not to appropriate because I criticised their decision not to appropriate the because I criticised their decision not to appropriate the funding because I criticised their decision not to appropriate the funding for not to appropriate the funding for not to appropriate the funding for not to appropriate the funding for their commitment not to appropriate the funding for their commitment at not to appropriate the funding for their commitment at the not to appropriate the funding for their commitment at the time not to appropriate the funding for their commitment at the time and not to appropriate the funding for their commitment at the time and it their commitment at the time and it was their commitment at the time and it was included their commitment at the time and it was included in their commitment at the time and it was included in our their commitment at the time and it was included in our pre-election was included in our pre-election plans. was included in our pre-election plans. <INTERRUPTION> plans. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary plans. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary question plans. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary question to plans. <INTERRUPTION> Supplementary question to the Supplementary question to the Minister. 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Just this week I have seen a report that week I have seen a report that advised week I have seen a report that advised of week I have seen a report that advised of the week I have seen a report that advised of the excellent week I have seen a report that advised of the excellent decision week I have seen a report that advised of the excellent decision by advised of the excellent decision by the advised of the excellent decision by the Minister advised of the excellent decision by the Minister for advised of the excellent decision by the Minister for Greater the Minister for Greater week the Minister for Greater Christchurch the Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration to use the Minister for Greater Christchurch Regeneration to use the Christchurch Regeneration to use the special Christchurch Regeneration to use the special powers Christchurch Regeneration to use the special powers of Christchurch Regeneration to use the special powers of her Christchurch Regeneration to use the special powers of her portfolio Christchurch Regeneration to use the special powers of her portfolio to special powers of her portfolio to special powers of her portfolio to special powers of her portfolio to fast track special powers of her portfolio to fast track the special powers of her portfolio to fast track the return special powers of her portfolio to fast track the return of special powers of her portfolio to fast track the return of Redcliffe fast track the return of Redcliffe schools fast track the return of Redcliffe schools to fast track the return of Redcliffe schools to its fast track the return of Redcliffe schools to its community. fast track the return of Redcliffe schools to its community. 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The school's been operating out of its school's been operating out of its community school's been operating out of its community since school's been operating out of its community since June school's been operating out of its community since June 2011 school's been operating out of its community since June 2011 and school's been operating out of its community since June 2011 and was community since June 2011 and was threatened community since June 2011 and was threatened with community since June 2011 and was threatened with closure community since June 2011 and was threatened with closure previously. threatened with closure previously. threatened with closure previously. threatened with closure previously. It is threatened with closure previously. It is great threatened with closure previously. It is great news threatened with closure previously. It is great news that threatened with closure previously. It is great news that it threatened with closure previously. It is great news that it is threatened with closure previously. It is great news that it is now It is great news that it is now returning It is great news that it is now returning to It is great news that it is now returning to Redcliffes It is great news that it is now returning to Redcliffes and It is great news that it is now returning to Redcliffes and I'm returning to Redcliffes and I'm reliably returning to Redcliffes and I'm reliably informed returning to Redcliffes and I'm reliably informed the returning to Redcliffes and I'm reliably informed the school returning to Redcliffes and I'm reliably informed the school is returning to Redcliffes and I'm reliably returning to Redcliffes and I'm ready to return. returning to Redcliffes and I'm ready to return. Supplementary ready to return. Supplementary question. ready to return. Supplementary question. Why ready to return. Supplementary question. Why won't ready to return. Supplementary question. Why won't he ready to return. 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Why won't he admit that he is classifying business as usual is classifying business as usual property is classifying business as usual property spend is classifying business as usual property spend and is classifying business as usual property spend and existing property spend and existing programmes property spend and existing programmes like property spend and existing programmes like the property spend and existing programmes like the rebuild property spend and existing programmes like the rebuild for programmes like the rebuild for programmes like the rebuild for programmes like the rebuild for Canterbury as programmes like the rebuild for Canterbury as holes programmes like the rebuild for Canterbury as holes to programmes like the rebuild for Canterbury as holes to cover programmes like the rebuild for Canterbury as holes to cover up programmes like the rebuild for Canterbury as holes to cover up his Canterbury as holes to cover up his negligence Canterbury as holes to cover up his negligence for Canterbury as holes to cover up his negligence for either Canterbury as holes to cover up his negligence for either not Canterbury as holes to cover up his negligence for either not including negligence for either not including them negligence for either not including them in negligence for either not including them in his negligence for either not including them in his costings negligence for either not including them in his costings or negligence for either not including them in his costings or justifying them in his costings or justifying them in his costings or justifying them in his costings or justifying why he them in his costings or justifying why he won't them in his costings or justifying why he won't be them in his costings or justifying why he won't be able them in his costings or justifying why he won't be able to them in his costings or justifying why he won't be able to deliver them in his costings or justifying why he won't be able to deliver his why he won't be able to deliver his education why he won't be able to deliver his education promises? why he won't be able to deliver his education promises? What why he won't be able to deliver his education promises? What was education promises? What was negligent education promises? What was negligent was education promises? What was negligent was leaving education promises? What was negligent was leaving a education promises? What was negligent was leaving a $1.1 education promises? What was negligent was leaving a $1.1 billion negligent was leaving a $1.1 billion capital negligent was leaving a $1.1 billion capital deficit negligent was leaving a $1.1 billion capital deficit in negligent was leaving a $1.1 billion capital deficit in the negligent was leaving a $1.1 billion capital deficit in the education capital deficit in the education budget. capital deficit in the education budget. 17,000 capital deficit in the education budget. 17,000 additional capital deficit in the education budget. 17,000 additional students budget. 17,000 additional students who budget. 17,000 additional students who won't budget. 17,000 additional students who won't have budget. 17,000 additional students who won't have a budget. 17,000 additional students who won't have a classroom budget. 17,000 additional students who won't have a classroom or budget. 17,000 additional students who won't have a classroom or a who won't have a classroom or a school who won't have a classroom or a school to who won't have a classroom or a school to go who won't have a classroom or a school to go to who won't have a classroom or a school to go to if who won't have a classroom or a school to go to if this who won't have a classroom or a school to go to if this Government school to go to if this Government didn't school to go to if this Government didn't pick school to go to if this Government didn't pick up school to go to if this Government didn't pick up the school to go to if this Government didn't pick up the pieces school to go to if this Government didn't pick up the pieces left didn't pick up the pieces left behind didn't pick up the pieces left behind by didn't pick up the pieces left behind by the didn't pick up the pieces left behind by the previous behind by the previous administration. behind by the previous administration. <INTERRUPTION> administration. <INTERRUPTION> Question administration. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. administration. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 8. administration. administration. <INTERRUPTION> administration. <INTERRUPTION> Question administration. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. administration. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Employment: My question is to the Minister of Employment: Does My question is to the Minister of Employment: Does he My question is to the Minister of Employment: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Employment: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Employment: Does he stand by his Employment: Does he stand by his statement Employment: Does he stand by his statement in Employment: Does he stand by his statement in the Employment: Does he stand by his statement in the House Employment: Does he stand by his statement in the House on Employment: Does he stand by his statement in the House on Tuesday statement in the House on Tuesday that statement in the House on Tuesday that "we statement in the House on Tuesday that "we won't statement in the House on Tuesday that "we won't be statement in the House on Tuesday that "we won't be punishing that "we won't be punishing everybody that "we won't be punishing everybody who that "we won't be punishing everybody who mucks that "we won't be punishing everybody who mucks up"? The The Hon The Hon Willie The Hon Willie Jackson. The Hon Willie Jackson. I The Hon Willie Jackson. I come The Hon Willie Jackson. I come from The Hon Willie Jackson. I come from a The Hon Willie Jackson. I come from a background The Hon Willie Jackson. I come from a background where The Hon Willie Jackson. I come from a background where giving The Hon Willie Jackson. I come from a background where giving people The Hon Willie Jackson. I come from a background where giving people a a background where giving people a second, a background where giving people a second, third a background where giving people a second, third and a background where giving people a second, third and fourth a background where giving people a second, third and fourth chance a background where giving people a second, third and fourth chance is second, third and fourth chance is the second, third and fourth chance is the norm. second, third and fourth chance is the norm. Forgiveness second, third and fourth chance is the norm. Forgiveness means the norm. Forgiveness means the norm. Forgiveness means the norm. Forgiveness means everything in the norm. Forgiveness means everything in our the norm. Forgiveness means everything in our communities the norm. Forgiveness means everything in our communities and everything in our communities and not everything in our communities and not giving everything in our communities and not giving up everything in our communities and not giving up on everything in our communities and not giving up on people everything in our communities and not giving up on people has everything in our communities and not giving up on people has been not giving up on people has been part not giving up on people has been part of not giving up on people has been part of our not giving up on people has been part of our lifelong not giving up on people has been part of our lifelong philosophy. not giving up on people has been part of our lifelong philosophy. Of part of our lifelong philosophy. Of course part of our lifelong philosophy. Of course I part of our lifelong philosophy. Of course I stand part of our lifelong philosophy. Of course I stand by part of our lifelong philosophy. Of course I stand by my part of our lifelong philosophy. Of course I stand by my statement. course I stand by my statement. Supplementary. course I stand by my statement. Supplementary. Is course I stand by my statement. Supplementary. Is an course I stand by my statement. Supplementary. Is an unemployed course I stand by my statement. Supplementary. Is an unemployed New Supplementary. Is an unemployed New Zealander Supplementary. Is an unemployed New Zealander "mucking Supplementary. Is an unemployed New Zealander "mucking up" Supplementary. Is an unemployed New Zealander "mucking up" if Supplementary. Is an unemployed New Zealander "mucking up" if they Zealander "mucking up" if they refused Zealander "mucking up" if they refused to Zealander "mucking up" if they refused to pick Zealander "mucking up" if they refused to pick fruit Zealander "mucking up" if they refused to pick fruit while refused to pick fruit while receiving refused to pick fruit while receiving the refused to pick fruit while receiving the job refused to pick fruit while receiving the job seekers refused to pick fruit while receiving the job seekers benefit? receiving the job seekers benefit? There receiving the job seekers benefit? There are receiving the job seekers benefit? There are a receiving the job seekers benefit? There are a lot receiving the job seekers benefit? There are a lot of receiving the job seekers benefit? There are a lot of circumstances There are a lot of circumstances around There are a lot of circumstances around different There are a lot of circumstances around different individuals. There are a lot of circumstances around different individuals. It around different individuals. It is around different individuals. It around different individuals. It is not just around different individuals. It is not just black around different individuals. It is not just black and around different individuals. It is not just black and white. around different individuals. It is not just black and white. It around different individuals. It is not just black and white. It is around different individuals. It is not just black and white. It is easy not just black and white. It is easy to not just black and white. It is easy to make not just black and white. It is easy to make that not just black and white. It is easy to make that assessment not just black and white. It is easy to make that assessment to not just black and white. It is easy to make that assessment to start not just black and white. It is easy to make that assessment to start off to make that assessment to start off with to make that assessment to start off with but to make that assessment to start off with but we to make that assessment to start off with but we have to make that assessment to start off with but we have to to make that assessment to start off with but we have to look to make that assessment to start off with but we have to look at to make that assessment to start off with but we have to look at what's with but we have to look at what's happening with but we have to look at what's happening in with but we have to look at what's happening in the with but we have to look at what's happening in the family with but we have to look at what's happening in the family and with but we have to look at what's happening in the family and I'm happening in the family and I'm disappointed happening in the family and I'm disappointed that happening in the family and I'm disappointed that that happening in the family and I'm disappointed that that man happening in the family and I'm disappointed that that man from disappointed that that man from ngati disappointed that that man from ngati Kahunganu disappointed that that man from ngati Kahunganu is disappointed that that man from ngati Kahunganu is talking disappointed that that man from ngati Kahunganu is talking in disappointed that that man from ngati Kahunganu is talking in this ngati Kahunganu is talking in this ngati Kahunganu is talking in this ngati Kahunganu is talking in this manner. Supplementary. ngati Kahunganu is talking in this manner. Supplementary. Should manner. Supplementary. Should unemployed manner. Supplementary. Should unemployed New manner. Supplementary. Should unemployed New Zealanders manner. Supplementary. Should unemployed New Zealanders turn manner. Supplementary. Should unemployed New Zealanders turn down unemployed New Zealanders turn down fruit unemployed New Zealanders turn down fruit picking unemployed New Zealanders turn down fruit picking because unemployed New Zealanders turn down fruit picking because they unemployed New Zealanders turn down fruit picking because they don't fruit picking because they don't believe fruit picking because they don't believe it fruit picking because they don't believe it is fruit picking because they don't believe it is dignified fruit picking because they don't believe it is dignified work? fruit picking because they don't believe it is dignified work? Again, believe it is dignified work? Again, Mr believe it is dignified work? Again, Mr Speaker, believe it is dignified work? Again, Mr Speaker, a believe it is dignified work? Again, Mr Speaker, a lot believe it is dignified work? Again, Mr Speaker, a lot of believe it is dignified work? Again, Mr Speaker, a lot of circumstances Mr Speaker, a lot of circumstances come Mr Speaker, a lot of circumstances come to Mr Speaker, a lot of circumstances come to play. Mr Speaker, a lot of circumstances come to play. This Mr Speaker, a lot of circumstances come to play. This Government Mr Speaker, a lot of circumstances come to play. This Government is come to play. This Government is committed come to play. This Government is committed to come to play. This Government is committed to people come to play. This Government is committed to people having come to play. This Government is committed to people having dignified committed to people having dignified committed to people having dignified committed to people having dignified work. Picking committed to people having dignified work. Picking - committed to people having dignified work. Picking - doing committed to people having dignified work. Picking - doing what committed to people having dignified work. Picking - doing what the work. Picking - doing what the member work. Picking - doing what the member said work. Picking - doing what the member said in work. Picking - doing what the member said in terms work. Picking - doing what the member said in terms of work. Picking - doing what the member said in terms of getting work. Picking - doing what the member said in terms of getting out member said in terms of getting out member said in terms of getting out member said in terms of getting out there... <INTERRUPTION> there... <INTERRUPTION> Absolutely, there... <INTERRUPTION> Absolutely, picking there... <INTERRUPTION> Absolutely, picking fruit there... <INTERRUPTION> Absolutely, picking fruit is Absolutely, picking fruit is dignified Absolutely, picking fruit is dignified work. Absolutely, picking fruit is dignified work. There Absolutely, picking fruit is dignified work. There is Absolutely, picking fruit is dignified work. There is no Absolutely, picking fruit is dignified work. There is no shame Absolutely, picking fruit is dignified work. There is no shame in dignified work. There is no shame in picking dignified work. There is no shame in picking fruit, dignified work. There is no shame in picking fruit, Mr dignified work. There is no shame in picking fruit, Mr Speaker, dignified work. There is no shame in picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however dignified work. There is no shame in picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however a picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however a picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however a picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however a lot of picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however a lot of circumstances picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however a lot of circumstances come picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however a lot of circumstances come to picking fruit, Mr Speaker, however a lot of circumstances come to play lot of circumstances come to play and lot of circumstances come to play and that lot of circumstances come to play and that member lot of circumstances come to play and that member should lot of circumstances come to play and that member should know lot of circumstances come to play and that member should know that. lot of circumstances come to play and that member should know that. It and that member should know that. It is and that member should know that. It is not and that member should know that. It is not easy and that member should know that. It is not easy sometimes and that member should know that. It is not easy sometimes to and that member should know that. It is not easy sometimes to move and that member should know that. It is not easy sometimes to move 50kms. is not easy sometimes to move 50kms. It is not easy sometimes to move 50kms. It is is not easy sometimes to move 50kms. It is not is not easy sometimes to move 50kms. It is not easy is not easy sometimes to move 50kms. It is not easy sometimes is not easy sometimes to move 50kms. It is not easy sometimes to is not easy sometimes to move 50kms. It is not easy sometimes to walk It is not easy sometimes to walk It is not easy sometimes to walk It is not easy sometimes to walk away from It is not easy sometimes to walk away from your It is not easy sometimes to walk away from your family. It is not easy sometimes to walk away from your family. It It is not easy sometimes to walk away from your family. It is It is not easy sometimes to walk away from your family. It is not away from your family. It is not easy away from your family. It is not easy for away from your family. It is not easy for people away from your family. It is not easy for people just away from your family. It is not easy for people just to away from your family. It is not easy for people just to give easy for people just to give upeverything easy for people just to give upeverything just easy for people just to give upeverything just to easy for people just to give upeverything just to pick easy for people just to give upeverything just to pick fruit. easy for people just to give upeverything just to pick fruit. Has upeverything just to pick fruit. Has the upeverything just to pick fruit. Has the minister upeverything just to pick fruit. Has the minister made upeverything just to pick fruit. Has the minister made any upeverything just to pick fruit. Has the minister made any other the minister made any other statements the minister made any other statements recently the minister made any other statements recently about the minister made any other statements recently about supporting statements recently about supporting people statements recently about supporting people that statements recently about supporting people that make statements recently about supporting people that make mistakes? statements recently about supporting people that make mistakes? I statements recently about supporting people that make mistakes? I have people that make mistakes? I have made people that make mistakes? I have made multiple people that make mistakes? I have made multiple statements people that make mistakes? I have made multiple statements as people that make mistakes? I have made multiple statements as the made multiple statements as the Minister made multiple statements as the Minister of made multiple statements as the Minister of Employment made multiple statements as the Minister of Employment around made multiple statements as the Minister of Employment around - made multiple statements as the Minister of Employment around - I Minister of Employment around - I made Minister of Employment around - I made multiple Minister of Employment around - I made multiple statements Minister of Employment around - I made multiple statements as Minister of Employment around - I made multiple statements as the made multiple statements as the Minister made multiple statements as the Minister for made multiple statements as the Minister for Employment made multiple statements as the Minister for Employment - made multiple statements as the Minister for Employment - I made multiple statements as the Minister for Employment - I did made multiple statements as the Minister for Employment - I did say Minister for Employment - I did say that, Minister for Employment - I did say that, yeah Minister for Employment - I did say that, yeah - Minister for Employment - I did say that, yeah - around Minister for Employment - I did say that, yeah - around encouraging Minister for Employment - I did say that, yeah - around encouraging our that, yeah - around encouraging our communities that, yeah - around encouraging our communities and that, yeah - around encouraging our communities and employers that, yeah - around encouraging our communities and employers to that, yeah - around encouraging our communities and employers to not communities and employers to not give communities and employers to not give up communities and employers to not give up on communities and employers to not give up on people communities and employers to not give up on people who communities and employers to not give up on people who made communities and employers to not give up on people who made greater give up on people who made greater support give up on people who made greater support to give up on people who made greater support to keep give up on people who made greater support to keep them give up on people who made greater support to keep them correct support to keep them correct connected support to keep them correct connected to support to keep them correct connected to the support to keep them correct connected to the workforce. support to keep them correct connected to the workforce. I support to keep them correct connected to the workforce. I have connected to the workforce. I have encouraged connected to the workforce. I have encouraged them connected to the workforce. I have encouraged them to connected to the workforce. I have encouraged them to provide connected to the workforce. I have encouraged them to provide pastoral encouraged them to provide pastoral encouraged them to provide pastoral encouraged them to provide pastoral care, something encouraged them to provide pastoral care, something the encouraged them to provide pastoral care, something the National encouraged them to provide pastoral care, something the National Party care, something the National Party has care, something the National Party has no care, something the National Party has no idea care, something the National Party has no idea of care, something the National Party has no idea of so care, something the National Party has no idea of so they care, something the National Party has no idea of so they will care, something the National Party has no idea of so they will look care, something the National Party has no idea of so they will look at has no idea of so they will look at all has no idea of so they will look at all avenues has no idea of so they will look at all avenues that has no idea of so they will look at all avenues that are has no idea of so they will look at all avenues that are barriers has no idea of so they will look at all avenues that are barriers to all avenues that are barriers to employment all avenues that are barriers to employment and all avenues that are barriers to employment and help all avenues that are barriers to employment and help our all avenues that are barriers to employment and help our communities employment and help our communities employment and help our communities employment and help our communities work through employment and help our communities work through that. employment and help our communities work through that. Whether employment and help our communities work through that. Whether that employment and help our communities work through that. Whether that is work through that. Whether that is through work through that. Whether that is through travel, work through that. Whether that is through travel, accommodation, through travel, accommodation, childcare through travel, accommodation, childcare or through travel, accommodation, childcare or community through travel, accommodation, childcare or community commitments childcare or community commitments or childcare or community commitments or health. childcare or community commitments or health. The childcare or community commitments or health. The Government's or health. The Government's intention or health. The Government's intention is or health. The Government's intention is to or health. The Government's intention is to lift or health. The Government's intention is to lift people or health. The Government's intention is to lift people up, or health. The Government's intention is to lift people up, not intention is to lift people up, not keep intention is to lift people up, not keep them intention is to lift people up, not keep them down. intention is to lift people up, not keep them down. Punitive intention is to lift people up, not keep them down. Punitive measures keep them down. Punitive measures are keep them down. Punitive measures are not keep them down. Punitive measures are not the keep them down. Punitive measures are not the answer keep them down. Punitive measures are not the answer here. keep them down. Punitive measures are not the answer here. Is keep them down. Punitive measures are not the answer here. Is it keep them down. Punitive measures are not the answer here. Is it the are not the answer here. Is it the Government's are not the answer here. Is it the Government's policy are not the answer here. Is it the Government's policy to are not the answer here. Is it the Government's policy to use are not the answer here. Is it the Government's policy to use refugees Government's policy to use refugees to Government's policy to use refugees to fill Government's policy to use refugees to fill Labour Government's policy to use refugees to fill Labour shortages Government's policy to use refugees to fill Labour shortages as Government's policy to use refugees to fill Labour shortages as proposed to fill Labour shortages as proposed by to fill Labour shortages as proposed by Iain to fill Labour shortages as proposed by Iain Lees-Galloway to fill Labour shortages as proposed by Iain Lees-Galloway in to fill Labour shortages as proposed by Iain Lees-Galloway in a to fill Labour shortages as proposed by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent visit by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent visit to by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent visit to Hawke's by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent visit to Hawke's Bay. by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent visit to Hawke's Bay. We by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent visit to Hawke's Bay. We know by Iain Lees-Galloway in a recent visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we have visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we have a visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we have a crisis visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we have a crisis at visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we have a crisis at the visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we have a crisis at the moment. visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we have a crisis at the moment. We visit to Hawke's Bay. We know we have a crisis at the moment. We will have a crisis at the moment. We will work have a crisis at the moment. We will work through have a crisis at the moment. We will work through short-term have a crisis at the moment. We will work through short-term solutions have a crisis at the moment. We will work through short-term solutions to work through short-term solutions to achieve work through short-term solutions to achieve our work through short-term solutions to achieve our goal. work through short-term solutions to achieve our goal. We work through short-term solutions to achieve our goal. We know work through short-term solutions to achieve our goal. We know there work through short-term solutions to achieve our goal. We know there is work through short-term solutions to achieve our goal. We know there is a achieve our goal. We know there is a gap achieve our goal. We know there is a gap there, achieve our goal. We know there is a gap there, there achieve our goal. We know there is a gap there, there is achieve our goal. We know there is a gap there, there is a achieve our goal. We know there is a gap there, there is a hole. achieve our goal. We know there is a gap there, there is a hole. We achieve our goal. We know there is a gap there, there is a hole. We will gap there, there is a hole. We will do gap there, there is a hole. We will do what gap there, there is a hole. We will do what the gap there, there is a hole. We will do what the National gap there, there is a hole. We will do what the National Party gap there, there is a hole. We will do what the National Party was gap there, there is a hole. We will do what the National Party was doing do what the National Party was doing for do what the National Party was doing for nine do what the National Party was doing for nine years do what the National Party was doing for nine years and do what the National Party was doing for nine years and fill do what the National Party was doing for nine years and fill the do what the National Party was doing for nine years and fill the gap do what the National Party was doing for nine years and fill the gap for for nine years and fill the gap for a for nine years and fill the gap for a short for nine years and fill the gap for a short while for nine years and fill the gap for a short while but for nine years and fill the gap for a short while but we for nine years and fill the gap for a short while but we are for nine years and fill the gap for a short while but we are committed a short while but we are committed to a short while but we are committed to local a short while but we are committed to local labour a short while but we are committed to local labour and a short while but we are committed to local labour and we a short while but we are committed to local labour and we are a short while but we are committed to local labour and we are committed to local labour and we are committed to to local labour and we are committed to a to local labour and we are committed to a comprehensive to local labour and we are committed to a comprehensive strategy to local labour and we are committed to a comprehensive strategy in to local labour and we are committed to a comprehensive strategy in terms to a comprehensive strategy in terms of to a comprehensive strategy in terms of employment to a comprehensive strategy in terms of employment down to a comprehensive strategy in terms of employment down there to a comprehensive strategy in terms of employment down there in to a comprehensive strategy in terms of employment down there in the to a comprehensive strategy in terms of employment down there in the Bay of employment down there in the Bay of of employment down there in the Bay of Plenty of employment down there in the Bay of Plenty and of employment down there in the Bay of Plenty and we of employment down there in the Bay of Plenty and we are of employment down there in the Bay of Plenty and we are committed of employment down there in the Bay of Plenty and we are committed to of Plenty and we are committed to employing of Plenty and we are committed to employing New of Plenty and we are committed to employing New Zealanders of Plenty and we are committed to employing New Zealanders first. of Plenty and we are committed to employing New Zealanders first. If employing New Zealanders first. If it employing New Zealanders first. If it is employing New Zealanders first. If it is good employing New Zealanders first. If it is good enough employing New Zealanders first. If it is good enough for employing New Zealanders first. If it is good enough for refugees employing New Zealanders first. If it is good enough for refugees to it is good enough for refugees to pick it is good enough for refugees to pick true, it is good enough for refugees to pick true, why it is good enough for refugees to pick true, why is it is good enough for refugees to pick true, why is it it is good enough for refugees to pick true, why is it -- it is good enough for refugees to pick true, why is it -- fruit, it is good enough for refugees to pick true, why is it -- fruit, why pick true, why is it -- fruit, why is pick true, why is it -- fruit, why is it pick true, why is it -- fruit, why is it not pick true, why is it -- fruit, why is it not good pick true, why is it -- fruit, why is it not good enough pick true, why is it -- fruit, why is it not good enough nor pick true, why is it -- fruit, why is it not good enough nor unemployed is it not good enough nor unemployed New is it not good enough nor unemployed New Zealanders is it not good enough nor unemployed New Zealanders to is it not good enough nor unemployed New Zealanders to pick is it not good enough nor unemployed New Zealanders to pick fruit? is it not good enough nor unemployed New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can is it not good enough nor unemployed New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can I New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can I just New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can I just say New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can I just say that New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can I just say that I'm New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can I just say that I'm stunned New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can I just say that I'm stunned that New Zealanders to pick fruit? Can I just say that I'm stunned that the just say that I'm stunned that the former just say that I'm stunned that the former Mayor just say that I'm stunned that the former Mayor of just say that I'm stunned that the former Mayor of Hastings just say that I'm stunned that the former Mayor of Hastings and just say that I'm stunned that the former Mayor of Hastings and a former Mayor of Hastings and a Kahanungu former Mayor of Hastings and a Kahanungu man former Mayor of Hastings and a Kahanungu man is former Mayor of Hastings and a Kahanungu man is asking former Mayor of Hastings and a Kahanungu man is asking such former Mayor of Hastings and a Kahanungu man is asking such silly Kahanungu man is asking such silly questions. Kahanungu man is asking such silly questions. The Kahanungu man is asking such silly questions. The reality Kahanungu man is asking such silly questions. The reality is Kahanungu man is asking such silly questions. The reality is that Kahanungu man is asking such silly questions. The reality is that as Kahanungu man is asking such silly questions. The reality is that as he questions. The reality is that as he well questions. The reality is that as he well knows, questions. The reality is that as he well knows, people questions. The reality is that as he well knows, people have questions. The reality is that as he well knows, people have big well knows, people have big families. well knows, people have big families. People well knows, people have big families. People have well knows, people have big families. People have commitments. families. People have commitments. People families. People have commitments. People can't families. People have commitments. People can't just families. People have commitments. People can't just move families. People have commitments. People can't just move at families. People have commitments. People can't just move at the families. People have commitments. People can't just move at the drop People can't just move at the drop of People can't just move at the drop of a People can't just move at the drop of a hat People can't just move at the drop of a hat like People can't just move at the drop of a hat like that People can't just move at the drop of a hat like that person People can't just move at the drop of a hat like that person who People can't just move at the drop of a hat like that person who has People can't just move at the drop of a hat like that person who has an of a hat like that person who has an uncaring of a hat like that person who has an uncaring and of a hat like that person who has an uncaring and insensitive of a hat like that person who has an uncaring and insensitive attitude, uncaring and insensitive attitude, sir, uncaring and insensitive attitude, sir, to uncaring and insensitive attitude, sir, to his uncaring and insensitive attitude, sir, to his local uncaring and insensitive attitude, sir, to his local people uncaring and insensitive attitude, sir, to his local people and uncaring and insensitive attitude, sir, to his local people and he sir, to his local people and he should sir, to his local people and he should be sir, to his local people and he should be ashamed sir, to his local people and he should be ashamed of sir, to his local people and he should be ashamed of himself sir, to his local people and he should be ashamed of himself and sir, to his local people and he should be ashamed of himself and I should be ashamed of himself and I hope should be ashamed of himself and I hope ngati should be ashamed of himself and I hope ngati Kahanungu hope ngati Kahanungu totally hope ngati Kahanungu hope ngati Kahanungu totally dismissed him. hope ngati Kahanungu totally dismissed him. I hope ngati Kahanungu totally dismissed him. I am hope ngati Kahanungu totally dismissed him. I am sure hope ngati Kahanungu totally dismissed him. I am sure they hope ngati Kahanungu totally dismissed him. I am sure they are dismissed him. I am sure they are dismissed him. I am sure they are dismissed him. I am sure they are shocked at dismissed him. I am sure they are shocked at his dismissed him. I am sure they are shocked at his questions dismissed him. I am sure they are shocked at his questions too. shocked at his questions too. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Order! <INTERRUPTION> Order! I <INTERRUPTION> Order! I will <INTERRUPTION> Order! I will remind <INTERRUPTION> Order! I will remind the <INTERRUPTION> Order! I will remind the minister <INTERRUPTION> Order! I will remind the minister - Order! I will remind the minister - and Order! I will remind the minister - and it Order! I will remind the minister - and it is Order! I will remind the minister - and it is a Order! I will remind the minister - and it is a ruling Order! I will remind the minister - and it is a ruling that Order! I will remind the minister - and it is a ruling that hasn't Order! I will remind the minister - and it is a ruling that hasn't been and it is a ruling that hasn't been pulled and it is a ruling that hasn't been pulled out and it is a ruling that hasn't been pulled out for and it is a ruling that hasn't been pulled out for a and it is a ruling that hasn't been pulled out for a while and it is a ruling that hasn't been pulled out for a while and and it is a ruling that hasn't been pulled out for a while and that and it is a ruling that hasn't been pulled out for a while and that is pulled out for a while and that is that pulled out for a while and that is that it pulled out for a while and that is that it is pulled out for a while and that is that it is not pulled out for a while and that is that it is not appropriate pulled out for a while and that is that it is not appropriate to pulled out for a while and that is that it is not appropriate to refer that it is not appropriate to refer to that it is not appropriate to refer to people that it is not appropriate to refer to people in that it is not appropriate to refer to people in the that it is not appropriate to refer to people in the gallery. that it is not appropriate to refer to people in the gallery. I that it is not appropriate to refer to people in the gallery. I think that it is not appropriate to refer to people in the gallery. I think we to people in the gallery. I think we allow to people in the gallery. I think we allow it to people in the gallery. I think we allow it more to people in the gallery. I think we allow it more than to people in the gallery. I think we allow it more than we to people in the gallery. I think we allow it more than we used to people in the gallery. I think we allow it more than we used to to people in the gallery. I think we allow it more than we used to but allow it more than we used to but hauling allow it more than we used to but hauling individuals allow it more than we used to but hauling individuals or allow it more than we used to but hauling individuals or groups allow it more than we used to but hauling individuals or groups of hauling individuals or groups of hauling individuals or groups of hauling individuals or groups of individuals into hauling individuals or groups of individuals into matters hauling individuals or groups of individuals into matters which hauling individuals or groups of individuals into matters which are individuals into matters which are not individuals into matters which are not directly individuals into matters which are not directly related individuals into matters which are not directly related is individuals into matters which are not directly related is certainly not directly related is certainly not directly related is certainly not directly related is certainly outside previous not directly related is certainly outside previous Speaker's not directly related is certainly outside previous Speaker's rulings. outside previous Speaker's rulings. When outside previous Speaker's rulings. When he outside previous Speaker's rulings. When he said outside previous Speaker's rulings. When he said on outside previous Speaker's rulings. When he said on Tuesday outside previous Speaker's rulings. When he said on Tuesday "we outside previous Speaker's rulings. When he said on Tuesday "we won't outside previous Speaker's rulings. When he said on Tuesday "we won't go When he said on Tuesday "we won't go down When he said on Tuesday "we won't go down the When he said on Tuesday "we won't go down the easy When he said on Tuesday "we won't go down the easy route When he said on Tuesday "we won't go down the easy route and When he said on Tuesday "we won't go down the easy route and just When he said on Tuesday "we won't go down the easy route and just hire down the easy route and just hire foreigners down the easy route and just hire foreigners all down the easy route and just hire foreigners all the down the easy route and just hire foreigners all the time", down the easy route and just hire foreigners all the time", why down the easy route and just hire foreigners all the time", why does foreigners all the time", why does he foreigners all the time", why does he think foreigners all the time", why does he think it foreigners all the time", why does he think it is foreigners all the time", why does he think it is easier foreigners all the time", why does he think it is easier to foreigners all the time", why does he think it is easier to hire he think it is easier to hire foreigners he think it is easier to hire foreigners than he think it is easier to hire foreigners than encourage he think it is easier to hire foreigners than encourage unemployed foreigners than encourage unemployed New foreigners than encourage unemployed New Zealanders foreigners than encourage unemployed New Zealanders into foreigners than encourage unemployed New Zealanders into gainful New Zealanders into gainful employment? New Zealanders into gainful employment? We New Zealanders into gainful employment? We have New Zealanders into gainful employment? We have a New Zealanders into gainful employment? We have a shortfall New Zealanders into gainful employment? We have a shortfall at employment? We have a shortfall at the employment? We have a shortfall at the moment employment? We have a shortfall at the moment and employment? We have a shortfall at the moment and we employment? We have a shortfall at the moment and we will employment? We have a shortfall at the moment and we will do employment? We have a shortfall at the moment and we will do what employment? We have a shortfall at the moment and we will do what we the moment and we will do what we do. the moment and we will do what we do. We the moment and we will do what we do. We will the moment and we will do what we do. We will do the moment and we will do what we do. We will do what the moment and we will do what we do. We will do what we the moment and we will do what we do. We will do what we have the moment and we will do what we do. We will do what we have to the moment and we will do what we do. We will do what we have to do do. We will do what we have to do right do. We will do what we have to do right now. do. We will do what we have to do right now. But do. We will do what we have to do right now. But we do. We will do what we have to do right now. But we have do. We will do what we have to do right now. But we have a do. We will do what we have to do right now. But we have a strategy right now. But we have a strategy that right now. But we have a strategy that we right now. But we have a strategy that we are right now. But we have a strategy that we are going right now. But we have a strategy that we are going to right now. But we have a strategy that we are going to roll right now. But we have a strategy that we are going to roll out. right now. But we have a strategy that we are going to roll out. We that we are going to roll out. We are that we are going to roll out. We are working that we are going to roll out. We are working with that we are going to roll out. We are working with the that we are going to roll out. We are working with the growers. that we are going to roll out. We are working with the growers. We that we are going to roll out. We are working with the growers. We are are working with the growers. We are working are working with the growers. We are working with are working with the growers. We are working with the are working with the growers. We are working with the employers. are working with the growers. We are working with the employers. We are working with the growers. We are working with the employers. We are working with the employers. We are working working with the employers. We are working with working with the employers. We are working with the working with the employers. We are working with the unions. working with the employers. We are working with the unions. The working with the employers. We are working with the unions. The reality working with the unions. The reality is working with the unions. The reality is that working with the unions. The reality is that we working with the unions. The reality is that we have working with the unions. The reality is that we have a working with the unions. The reality is that we have a bit working with the unions. The reality is that we have a bit of working with the unions. The reality is that we have a bit of a working with the unions. The reality is that we have a bit of a crisis is that we have a bit of a crisis going is that we have a bit of a crisis going on. is that we have a bit of a crisis going on. You is that we have a bit of a crisis going on. You have is that we have a bit of a crisis going on. You have to is that we have a bit of a crisis going on. You have to do is that we have a bit of a crisis going on. You have to do what is that we have a bit of a crisis going on. You have to do what you going on. You have to do what you have going on. You have to do what you have to going on. You have to do what you have to do going on. You have to do what you have to do to going on. You have to do what you have to do to get going on. You have to do what you have to do to get through going on. You have to do what you have to do to get through the have to do to get through the problems have to do to get through the problems as have to do to get through the problems as that have to do to get through the problems as that member have to do to get through the problems as that member should have to do to get through the problems as that member should know. problems as that member should know. The problems as that member should know. The Rt problems as that member should know. The Rt Hon problems as that member should know. The Rt Hon Winston problems as that member should know. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. problems as that member should know. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I problems as that member should know. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I will The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I will wait The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I will wait until The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I will wait until the The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I will wait until the end The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I will wait until the end of The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I will wait until the end of the The Rt Hon Winston Peters. I will wait until the end of the question wait until the end of the question because wait until the end of the question because it wait until the end of the question because it may wait until the end of the question because it may get wait until the end of the question because it may get worse wait until the end of the question because it may get worse yet. wait until the end of the question because it may get worse yet. Can wait until the end of the question because it may get worse yet. Can I because it may get worse yet. Can I ask because it may get worse yet. Can I ask the because it may get worse yet. Can I ask the minister... because it may get worse yet. Can I ask the minister... No, because it may get worse yet. Can I ask the minister... No, Order! because it may get worse yet. Can I ask the minister... No, Order! Can ask the minister... No, Order! Can the ask the minister... No, Order! Can the member ask the minister... No, Order! Can the member resume ask the minister... No, Order! Can the member resume his ask the minister... No, Order! Can the member resume his seat. ask the minister... No, Order! Can the member resume his seat. I ask the minister... No, Order! Can the member resume his seat. I will the member resume his seat. I will the member resume his seat. I will the member resume his seat. I will ask Mr the member resume his seat. I will ask Mr Brownlee the member resume his seat. 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People are affordability of loans. People are being affordability of loans. People are affordability affordability of loans. People are being provided loans affordability of loans. People are being provided loans they affordability of loans. People are being provided loans they are affordability of loans. 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Most interest rates and penalty charges. Most New interest rates and penalty charges. Most New Zealanders interest rates and penalty charges. Most New Zealanders would interest rates and penalty charges. 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