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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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The bill is set down Erosion and Profit Shifting) Bill. The bill is set down for Erosion and Profit Shifting) Bill. The bill is set down for second The bill is set down for second reading The bill is set down for second reading and The bill is set down for second reading and the The bill is set down for second reading and the report reading and the report of reading and the report of the reading and the report of the Privileges reading and the report of the Privileges Committee reading and the report of the Privileges Committee is reading and the report of the Privileges Committee is set of the Privileges Committee is set down of the Privileges Committee is set down for of the Privileges Committee is set down for consideration. The The House The House comes The House comes to The House comes to Oral The House comes to Oral Questions. 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We've flagged our intention for it to be $20 April. We've flagged our intention for it to be $20 by April. We've flagged our intention for it to be $20 by April April. We've flagged our intention for it to be $20 by April 2021, April. 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So, on the one hand that member criticises the one hand that member criticises us the one hand that member criticises us for the one hand that member criticises us for increasing the one hand that member criticises us for increasing the the one hand that member criticises us for increasing the maximum the one hand that member criticises us for increasing the maximum price us for increasing the maximum price of us for increasing the maximum price of a us for increasing the maximum price of a three-bedroom us for increasing the maximum price of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild us for increasing the maximum price of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home us for increasing the maximum price of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home in of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home in Auckland, of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home in Auckland, and of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home in Auckland, and on of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home in Auckland, and on the of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home in Auckland, and on the other of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home in Auckland, and on the other hand of a three-bedroom KiwiBuild home in Auckland, and on the other hand she Auckland, and on the other hand she criticises Auckland, and on the other hand she criticises us Auckland, and on the other hand she criticises us for Auckland, and on the other hand she criticises us for not Auckland, and on the other hand she criticises us for not increasing criticises us for not increasing them criticises us for not increasing them further, criticises us for not increasing them further, so criticises us for not increasing them further, so that criticises us for not increasing them further, so that her criticises us for not increasing them further, so that her friend criticises us for not increasing them further, so that her friend can them further, so that her friend can take them further, so that her friend can take part them further, so that her friend can take part in them further, so that her friend can take part in KiwiBuild. them further, so that her friend can take part in KiwiBuild. 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I the cent was superfluous and should be withdrawn. I withdraw. the cent was superfluous and should be withdrawn. I withdraw. How the cent was superfluous and should be withdrawn. I withdraw. How long be withdrawn. I withdraw. How long as be withdrawn. I withdraw. How long as he be withdrawn. I withdraw. How long as he known be withdrawn. I withdraw. How long as he known that be withdrawn. I withdraw. How long as he known that KiwiBuild be withdrawn. I withdraw. How long as he known that KiwiBuild house as he known that KiwiBuild house also as he known that KiwiBuild house also cost as he known that KiwiBuild house also cost buyers as he known that KiwiBuild house also cost buyers $50,000 as he known that KiwiBuild house also cost buyers $50,000 more as he known that KiwiBuild house also cost buyers $50,000 more than also cost buyers $50,000 more than he also cost buyers $50,000 more than he told also cost buyers $50,000 more than he told them also cost buyers $50,000 more than he told them eight also cost buyers $50,000 more than he told them eight months also cost buyers $50,000 more than he told them eight months ago? also cost buyers $50,000 more than he told them eight months ago? The he told them eight months ago? The decision he told them eight months ago? The decision to he told them eight months ago? The decision to increase he told them eight months ago? The decision to increase the he told them eight months ago? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Biosecurity: My question is to the Minister for Biosecurity: Does My question is to the Minister for Biosecurity: Does he My question is to the Minister for Biosecurity: Does he stand My question is to the Minister for Biosecurity: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister for Biosecurity: Does he stand by all Biosecurity: Does he stand by all his Biosecurity: Does he stand by all his statements Biosecurity: Does he stand by all his statements and Biosecurity: Does he stand by all his statements and actions Biosecurity: Does he stand by all his statements and actions in his statements and actions in relation his statements and actions in relation to his statements and actions in relation to Mycoplasma his statements and actions in relation to Mycoplasma bovis? Yes. Yes. And, Yes. And, in Yes. And, in particular, Yes. And, in particular, I Yes. And, in particular, I stand Yes. And, in particular, I stand by Yes. And, in particular, I stand by my Yes. And, in particular, I stand by my statement Yes. And, in particular, I stand by my statement of Yes. And, in particular, I stand by my statement of the Yes. And, in particular, I stand by my statement of the shameful Yes. And, in particular, I stand by my statement of the shameful action my statement of the shameful action of my statement of the shameful action of that my statement of the shameful action of that member my statement of the shameful action of that member to my statement of the shameful action of that member to develop my statement of the shameful action of that member to develop an my statement of the shameful action of that member to develop an animal of that member to develop an animal tracing of that member to develop an animal tracing system of that member to develop an animal tracing system that of that member to develop an animal tracing system that works, of that member to develop an animal tracing system that works, because tracing system that works, because NAIT tracing system that works, because NAIT has tracing system that works, because NAIT has let tracing system that works, because NAIT has let us tracing system that works, because NAIT has let us down tracing system that works, because NAIT has let us down since tracing system that works, because NAIT has let us down since the NAIT has let us down since the mycoplasma NAIT has let us down since the mycoplasma bovis NAIT has let us down since the mycoplasma bovis response. 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Does he agree with his senior officials in the select his senior officials in the select committee his senior officials in the select committee last his senior officials in the select committee last week, his senior officials in the select committee last week, who his senior officials in the select committee last week, who said, his senior officials in the select committee last week, who said, "We committee last week, who said, "We were committee last week, who said, "We were prepared committee last week, who said, "We were prepared for committee last week, who said, "We were prepared for this. committee last week, who said, "We were prepared for this. Yes, committee last week, who said, "We were prepared for this. Yes, we were prepared for this. Yes, we were. were prepared for this. Yes, we were. Knowing were prepared for this. Yes, we were. Knowing that were prepared for this. Yes, we were. Knowing that biosecurity were. Knowing that biosecurity funding were. Knowing that biosecurity funding in were. Knowing that biosecurity funding in the were. Knowing that biosecurity funding in the 2017 were. Knowing that biosecurity funding in the 2017 Budget were. Knowing that biosecurity funding in the 2017 Budget was were. Knowing that biosecurity funding in the 2017 Budget was the funding in the 2017 Budget was the highest funding in the 2017 Budget was the highest ever funding in the 2017 Budget was the highest ever at funding in the 2017 Budget was the highest ever at $248 funding in the 2017 Budget was the highest ever at $248 million."? funding in the 2017 Budget was the highest ever at $248 million."? I highest ever at $248 million."? I don't highest ever at $248 million."? I don't agree highest ever at $248 million."? I don't agree with highest ever at $248 million."? I don't agree with him. highest ever at $248 million."? I don't agree with him. I highest ever at $248 million."? I don't agree with him. I don't highest ever at $248 million."? 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A lot of changes had to be made by this Government had to be made by this Government and had to be made by this Government and we had to be made by this Government and we exposed had to be made by this Government and we exposed a had to be made by this Government and we exposed a total had to be made by this Government and we exposed a total inability had to be made by this Government and we exposed a total inability of and we exposed a total inability of the and we exposed a total inability of the NAIT and we exposed a total inability of the NAIT system and we exposed a total inability of the NAIT system because and we exposed a total inability of the NAIT system because that the NAIT system because that Government the NAIT system because that Government and the NAIT system because that Government and that the NAIT system because that Government and that member the NAIT system because that Government and that member refused Government and that member refused to Government and that member refused to implement Government and that member refused to implement it Government and that member refused to implement it properly. Government and that member refused to implement it properly. What to implement it properly. What specific to implement it properly. What specific recommendations to implement it properly. What specific recommendations were specific recommendations were contained specific recommendations were contained in specific recommendations were contained in the specific recommendations were contained in the most specific recommendations were contained in the most recent contained in the most recent technical contained in the most recent technical advisory contained in the most recent technical advisory group contained in the most recent technical advisory group report contained in the most recent technical advisory group report he technical advisory group report he has technical advisory group report he has received? technical advisory group report he has received? I technical advisory group report he has received? I can't technical advisory group report he has received? 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I don't have the report in front of me, other than to say that front of me, other than to say that at front of me, other than to say that at that front of me, other than to say that at that point front of me, other than to say that at that point eradication front of me, other than to say that at that point eradication was front of me, other than to say that at that point eradication was still at that point eradication was still possible. at that point eradication was still possible. They at that point eradication was still possible. They are at that point eradication was still possible. They are meeting, possible. They are meeting, convening possible. They are meeting, convening today. possible. They are meeting, convening today. I possible. They are meeting, convening today. I hope possible. They are meeting, convening today. I hope that possible. They are meeting, convening today. I hope that they convening today. I hope that they come convening today. I hope that they come back convening today. I hope that they come back with convening today. I hope that they come back with a convening today. I hope that they come back with a similar come back with a similar recommendation, come back with a similar recommendation, but come back with a similar recommendation, but however come back with a similar recommendation, but however the recommendation, but however the goalposts recommendation, but however the goalposts have recommendation, but however the goalposts have shifted. recommendation, but however the goalposts have shifted. We recommendation, but however the goalposts have shifted. We have recommendation, but however the goalposts have shifted. We have a goalposts have shifted. We have a lot goalposts have shifted. We have a lot more goalposts have shifted. We have a lot more infected goalposts have shifted. We have a lot more infected farms. goalposts have shifted. We have a lot more infected farms. A goalposts have shifted. We have a lot more infected farms. A lot goalposts have shifted. We have a lot more infected farms. A lot more lot more infected farms. A lot more unfortunate lot more infected farms. A lot more unfortunate farmers lot more infected farms. A lot more unfortunate farmers are lot more infected farms. A lot more unfortunate farmers are under lot more infected farms. A lot more unfortunate farmers are under huge unfortunate farmers are under huge pressure, unfortunate farmers are under huge pressure, and unfortunate farmers are under huge pressure, and the unfortunate farmers are under huge pressure, and the inability unfortunate farmers are under huge pressure, and the inability of unfortunate farmers are under huge pressure, and the inability of our pressure, and the inability of our national pressure, and the inability of our national animal pressure, and the inability of our national animal identification national animal identification tracing national animal identification tracing system national animal identification tracing system has national animal identification tracing system has made national animal identification tracing system has made this national animal identification tracing system has made this job national animal identification tracing system has made this job far tracing system has made this job far more tracing system has made this job far more difficult. tracing system has made this job far more difficult. What tracing system has made this job far more difficult. What specific more difficult. What specific scientific more difficult. What specific scientific advice more difficult. What specific scientific advice has more difficult. What specific scientific advice has he more difficult. What specific scientific advice has he received scientific advice has he received that scientific advice has he received that has scientific advice has he received that has caused scientific advice has he received that has caused to scientific advice has he received that has caused to repeat scientific advice has he received that has caused to repeat -- scientific advice has he received that has caused to repeat -- him scientific advice has he received that has caused to repeat -- him to that has caused to repeat -- him to repeatedly that has caused to repeat -- him to repeatedly defer that has caused to repeat -- him to repeatedly defer making that has caused to repeat -- him to repeatedly defer making a that has caused to repeat -- him to repeatedly defer making a decision repeatedly defer making a decision on repeatedly defer making a decision on eradication repeatedly defer making a decision on eradication or repeatedly defer making a decision on eradication or long-term on eradication or long-term management? on eradication or long-term management? Specific on eradication or long-term management? Specific scientific management? Specific scientific advice? management? Specific scientific advice? Part management? Specific scientific advice? Part of management? Specific scientific advice? Part of the management? Specific scientific advice? Part of the scientific advice? Part of the scientific advice advice? Part of the scientific advice is advice? Part of the scientific advice is the advice? Part of the scientific advice is the fact advice? Part of the scientific advice is the fact that advice? Part of the scientific advice is the fact that more advice? Part of the scientific advice is the fact that more farms advice is the fact that more farms are advice is the fact that more farms are infected. advice is the fact that more farms are infected. I advice is the fact that more farms are infected. I don't advice is the fact that more farms are infected. I don't know advice is the fact that more farms are infected. I don't know whether are infected. I don't know whether the are infected. I don't know whether the member's are infected. I don't know whether the member's noticed are infected. I don't know whether the member's noticed that, are infected. I don't know whether the member's noticed that, but are infected. I don't know whether the member's noticed that, but we've the member's noticed that, but we've certainly the member's noticed that, but we've certainly disclosed the member's noticed that, but we've certainly disclosed as the member's noticed that, but we've certainly disclosed as much certainly disclosed as much information certainly disclosed as much information as certainly disclosed as much information as we certainly disclosed as much information as we get certainly disclosed as much information as we get to certainly disclosed as much information as we get to industry information as we get to industry leaders. information as we get to industry leaders. This information as we get to industry leaders. This afternoon information as we get to industry leaders. This afternoon I'm information as we get to industry leaders. This afternoon I'm meeting leaders. This afternoon I'm meeting with leaders. This afternoon I'm meeting with industry leaders. This afternoon I'm meeting with industry leaders. leaders. This afternoon I'm meeting with industry leaders. We're leaders. This afternoon I'm meeting with industry leaders. We're happy with industry leaders. We're happy to with industry leaders. We're happy to share with industry leaders. We're happy to share all with industry leaders. We're happy to share all the with industry leaders. We're happy to share all the information with industry leaders. We're happy to share all the information we to share all the information we have. to share all the information we have. If to share all the information we have. If that to share all the information we have. If that member to share all the information we have. If that member has to share all the information we have. If that member has an to share all the information we have. If that member has an idea, have. If that member has an idea, perhaps have. If that member has an idea, perhaps he have. If that member has an idea, perhaps he should have. If that member has an idea, perhaps he should have have. If that member has an idea, perhaps he should have put have. If that member has an idea, perhaps he should have put it have. If that member has an idea, perhaps he should have put it in perhaps he should have put it in place perhaps he should have put it in place when perhaps he should have put it in place when he perhaps he should have put it in place when he was perhaps he should have put it in place when he was in perhaps he should have put it in place when he was in Government. place when he was in Government. That's place when he was in Government. 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I farmers are screaming out for certainty right now? I can certainty right now? I can absolutely certainty right now? I can absolutely appreciate certainty right now? I can absolutely appreciate the certainty right now? I can absolutely appreciate the pressure absolutely appreciate the pressure on absolutely appreciate the pressure on farmers. absolutely appreciate the pressure on farmers. Farmers absolutely appreciate the pressure on farmers. Farmers who absolutely appreciate the pressure on farmers. Farmers who shifting on farmers. Farmers who shifting their on farmers. Farmers who shifting their stock, on farmers. Farmers who shifting their stock, if on farmers. Farmers who shifting their stock, if they on farmers. Farmers who shifting their stock, if they are on farmers. Farmers who shifting their stock, if they are not on farmers. Farmers who shifting their stock, if they are not under on farmers. 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I seek leave to introduce the Farm Debt Mediation introduce the Farm Debt Mediation introduce the Farm Debt Mediation introduce the Farm Debt Mediation Bill, a introduce the Farm Debt Mediation Bill, a members introduce the Farm Debt Mediation Bill, a members bill introduce the Farm Debt Mediation Bill, a members bill in introduce the Farm Debt Mediation Bill, a members bill in my introduce the Farm Debt Mediation Bill, a members bill in my name introduce the Farm Debt Mediation Bill, a members bill in my name and Bill, a members bill in my name and for Bill, a members bill in my name and for it Bill, a members bill in my name and for it to Bill, a members bill in my name and for it to be Bill, a members bill in my name and for it to be set Bill, a members bill in my name and for it to be set down Bill, a members bill in my name and for it to be set down as Bill, a members bill in my name and for it to be set down as Members' for it to be set down as Members' Order for it to be set down as Members' Order of for it to be set down as Members' Order of the for it to be set down as Members' Order of the Day for it to be set down as Members' Order of the Day No. for it to be set down as Members' Order of the Day No. 1. for it to be set down as Members' Order of the Day No. 1. Is for it to be set down as Members' Order of the Day No. 1. Is there for it to be set down as Members' Order of the Day No. 1. Is there any Order of the Day No. 1. Is there any objection Order of the Day No. 1. Is there any objection to Order of the Day No. 1. Is there any objection to that? Order of the Day No. 1. Is there any objection to that? There Order of the Day No. 1. Is there any objection to that? There appears Order of the Day No. 1. Is there any objection to that? There appears to objection to that? There appears to be objection to that? There appears to be none. objection to that? There appears to be none. It objection to that? There appears to be none. It will objection to that? There appears to be none. It will be objection to that? There appears to be none. It will be so objection to that? There appears to be none. It will be so set objection to that? There appears to be none. It will be so set down. be none. It will be so set down. Farm be none. It will be so set down. Farm Debt be none. It will be so set down. Farm Debt Mediation be none. It will be so set down. Farm Debt Mediation Bill be none. It will be so set down. Farm Debt Mediation Bill - Farm Debt Mediation Bill - introduction. Farm Debt Mediation Bill - introduction. Anymore introduction. Anymore introduction. Anymore introduction. Anymore supplementaries? Question introduction. Anymore supplementaries? Question No. introduction. Anymore supplementaries? Question No. 6. supplementaries? supplementaries? Question supplementaries? Question No. supplementaries? Question No. 6. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: How Order! Order! , Order! , I Order! , I will Order! , I will ask Order! , I will ask the Order! , I will ask the member Order! , I will ask the member to Order! , I will ask the member to start Order! , I will ask the member to start again. Order! , I will ask the member to start again. I Order! , I will ask the member to start again. I will Order! , I will ask the member to start again. I will ask Order! , I will ask the member to start again. I will ask members Order! , I will ask the member to start again. I will ask members on start again. I will ask members on both start again. I will ask members on both sides start again. I will ask members on both sides to start again. I will ask members on both sides to stop start again. I will ask members on both sides to stop their start again. I will ask members on both sides to stop their cross start again. I will ask members on both sides to stop their cross the both sides to stop their cross the House both sides to stop their cross the House conversations both sides to stop their cross the House conversations while both sides to stop their cross the House conversations while questions House conversations while questions are House conversations while questions are being House conversations while questions are being asked. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: How Housing and Urban Development: How will Housing and Urban Development: How will KiwiBuild Housing and Urban Development: How will KiwiBuild help Housing and Urban Development: How will KiwiBuild help developers Housing and Urban Development: How will KiwiBuild help developers build will KiwiBuild help developers build new will KiwiBuild help developers build new homes will KiwiBuild help developers build new homes for will KiwiBuild help developers build new homes for Kiwi will KiwiBuild help developers build new homes for Kiwi families? Many Many residential Many residential developments Many residential developments across Many residential developments across New Many residential developments across New Zealand Many residential developments across New Zealand have Many residential developments across New Zealand have stalled Many residential developments across New Zealand have stalled because Many residential developments across New Zealand have stalled because the New Zealand have stalled because the New Zealand have stalled because the New Zealand have stalled because the developers struggle New Zealand have stalled because the developers struggle to New Zealand have stalled because the developers struggle to find New Zealand have stalled because the developers struggle to find finance developers struggle to find finance on developers struggle to find finance on acceptable developers struggle to find finance on acceptable terms. developers struggle to find finance on acceptable terms. This developers struggle to find finance on acceptable terms. This is developers struggle to find finance on acceptable terms. This is where on acceptable terms. This is where on acceptable terms. This is where on acceptable terms. This is where KiwiBuild steps on acceptable terms. This is where KiwiBuild steps in on acceptable terms. This is where KiwiBuild steps in to on acceptable terms. This is where KiwiBuild steps in to rescue on acceptable terms. This is where KiwiBuild steps in to rescue these KiwiBuild steps in to rescue these KiwiBuild steps in to rescue these KiwiBuild steps in to rescue these stalled developments KiwiBuild steps in to rescue these stalled developments in KiwiBuild steps in to rescue these stalled developments in three KiwiBuild steps in to rescue these stalled developments in three ways stalled developments in three ways <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> One, <INTERRUPTION> One, it <INTERRUPTION> One, it enables <INTERRUPTION> One, it enables developments <INTERRUPTION> One, it enables developments that One, it enables developments that otherwise One, it enables developments that otherwise would One, it enables developments that otherwise would not One, it enables developments that otherwise would not be One, it enables developments that otherwise would not be undertaken One, it enables developments that otherwise would not be undertaken to One, it enables developments that One, One, it enables developments that be completed. Second, One, it enables developments that be completed. Second, it One, it enables developments that be completed. Second, it speeds One, it enables developments that be completed. Second, it speeds up be completed. Second, it speeds up developments be completed. Second, it speeds up developments to be completed. Second, it speeds up developments to add be completed. Second, it speeds up developments to add to be completed. Second, it speeds up developments to add to supply be completed. Second, it speeds up faster. And be completed. Second, it speeds up faster. And third, be completed. Second, it speeds up faster. And third, it be completed. Second, it speeds up faster. And third, it enables be completed. Second, it speeds up faster. And third, it enables the faster. And third, it enables the construction faster. And third, it enables the construction of faster. And third, it enables the construction of affordable faster. And third, it enables the construction of affordable homes construction of affordable homes rather construction of affordable homes rather than construction of affordable homes rather than McMansions construction of affordable homes rather than McMansions that construction of affordable homes rather than McMansions that young rather than McMansions that young Kiwi rather than McMansions that young Kiwi families rather than McMansions that young Kiwi families cannot rather than McMansions that young Kiwi families cannot afford. Kiwi families cannot afford. Supplementary. Kiwi families cannot afford. Supplementary. Who Kiwi families cannot afford. Supplementary. Who interest Kiwi families cannot afford. Supplementary. Who interest has Supplementary. Who interest has there Supplementary. Who interest has there -- Supplementary. Who interest has there -- what Supplementary. Who interest has there -- what interest Supplementary. Who interest has there -- what interest has Supplementary. Who interest has there -- what interest has there there -- what interest has there been there -- what interest has there been from there -- what interest has there been from developers there -- what interest has there been from developers in there -- what interest has there been from developers in the been from developers in the initiative? been from developers in the initiative? Over been from developers in the initiative? Over 150 been from developers in the initiative? Over 150 developers been from developers in the initiative? Over 150 developers have initiative? Over 150 developers have approached initiative? Over 150 developers have initiative? initiative? Over 150 developers have approached us over initiative? Over 150 developers have approached us over the initiative? Over 150 developers have approached us over the last initiative? Over 150 developers have approached us over the last few approached us over the last few months approached us over the last few months want approached us over the last few months want help approached us over the last few months want help to approached us over the last few months want help to get approached us over the last few months want help to get hundreds approached us over the last few months want help to get hundreds of months want help to get hundreds of months want help to get hundreds of months want help to get hundreds of their developments months want help to get hundreds of their developments off months want help to get hundreds of their developments off the months want help to get hundreds of their developments off the ground. their developments off the ground. Partnering their developments off the ground. Partnering with their developments off the ground. Partnering with developers their developments off the ground. Partnering with developers will their developments off the ground. Partnering with developers will mean Partnering with developers will mean Partnering Partnering with developers will mean we Partnering with developers will mean we can use the Partnering with developers will mean we can use the confidence Partnering with developers will mean we can use the confidence that Partnering with developers will mean we can use the confidence that the we can use the confidence that the Crown we can use the confidence that the Crown brings we can use the confidence that the Crown brings to we can use the confidence that the Crown brings to build we can use the confidence that the Crown brings to build more we can use the confidence that the Crown brings to build more KiwiBuild Crown brings to build more KiwiBuild houses Crown brings to build more KiwiBuild houses faster, Crown brings to build more KiwiBuild houses faster, to Crown brings to build more KiwiBuild houses faster, to recycle Crown brings to build more KiwiBuild houses faster, to recycle capital houses faster, to recycle capital faster houses faster, to recycle capital faster and houses faster, to recycle capital faster and to houses faster, to recycle capital faster and to achieve houses faster, to recycle capital faster and to achieve our houses faster, to recycle capital faster and to achieve our KiwiBuild faster and to achieve our KiwiBuild targets faster and to achieve our KiwiBuild targets with faster and to achieve our KiwiBuild targets with a faster and to achieve our KiwiBuild targets with a smaller faster and to achieve our KiwiBuild targets with a smaller impact faster and to achieve our KiwiBuild targets with a smaller impact on targets with a smaller impact on targets with a smaller impact on targets with a smaller impact on Crown debt targets with a smaller impact on Crown debt in targets with a smaller impact on Crown debt in the targets with a smaller impact on Crown debt in the near targets with a smaller impact on Crown debt in the near term. Crown debt in the near term. Supplementary. Crown debt in the near term. Supplementary. Are Crown debt in the near term. Supplementary. Are there Crown debt in the near term. Supplementary. Are there any Supplementary. Are there any indications Supplementary. Are there any indications as Supplementary. Are there any indications as to Supplementary. Are there any indications as to how Supplementary. Are there any indications as to how many Supplementary. Are there any indications as to how many homes indications as to how many homes will indications as to how many homes houses indications as to how many homes will be build indications as to how many homes will be build through indications as to how many homes will be build through this will be build through this initiative? will be build through this initiative? Well, will be build through this initiative? Well, Mr will be build through this initiative? Well, Mr Speaker, initiative? Well, Mr Speaker, initial initiative? Well, Mr Speaker, initial soundings initiative? Well, Mr Speaker, initial soundings by initiative? Well, Mr Speaker, initial soundings by MBIE initiative? Well, Mr Speaker, initial soundings by MBIE with initiative? Well, Mr Speaker, initial soundings by MBIE with these initial soundings by MBIE with these developers initial soundings by MBIE with these developers are initial soundings by MBIE with these developers are very initial soundings by MBIE with these developers are very encouraging initial soundings by MBIE with these developers are very encouraging and developers are very encouraging and we developers are very encouraging and we are developers are very encouraging and we are confident developers are very encouraging and we are confident that developers are very encouraging and we are confident that we developers are very encouraging and we are confident that we will developers are very encouraging and we are confident that we will meet we are confident that we will meet we are confident that we will meet we are confident that we will meet our KiwiBuild we are confident that we will meet our KiwiBuild targets we are confident that we will meet our KiwiBuild targets for we are confident that we will meet our KiwiBuild targets for new, our KiwiBuild targets for new, affordable our KiwiBuild targets for new, affordable homes our KiwiBuild targets for new, affordable homes and our KiwiBuild targets for new, affordable homes and we our KiwiBuild targets for new, affordable homes and we will our KiwiBuild targets for new, affordable homes and we will have affordable homes and we will have affordable homes and we will have affordable homes and we will have more announcements affordable homes and we will have more announcements on affordable homes and we will have more announcements on this affordable homes and we will have more announcements on this in affordable homes and we will have more announcements on this in the more announcements on this in the next more announcements on this in the next few more announcements on this in the next few months. more announcements on this in the next few months. Supplementary. more announcements on this in the next few months. Supplementary. How next few months. Supplementary. How does next few months. Supplementary. How does he next few months. Supplementary. How does he expect next few months. Supplementary. How does he expect KiwiBuild next few months. Supplementary. How does he expect KiwiBuild to next few months. Supplementary. How does he expect KiwiBuild to increase does he expect KiwiBuild to increase new does he expect KiwiBuild to increase new residential does he expect KiwiBuild to increase new residential construction? does he expect KiwiBuild to increase new residential construction? The new residential construction? The stalled new residential construction? The stalled developments new residential construction? The stalled developments that new residential construction? The stalled developments that we new residential construction? The stalled developments that we rescue stalled developments that we rescue will stalled developments that we rescue will not stalled developments that we rescue will not only stalled developments that we rescue will not only lead stalled developments that we rescue will not only lead to stalled developments that we rescue will not only lead to more stalled developments that we rescue will not only lead to more KiwiBuild will not only lead to more KiwiBuild homes will not only lead to more KiwiBuild homes but will not only lead to more KiwiBuild homes but also will not only lead to more KiwiBuild homes but also lead will not only lead to more KiwiBuild homes but also lead to will not only lead to more KiwiBuild homes but also lead to the homes but also lead to the construction homes but also lead to the construction of homes but also lead to the construction of more homes but also lead to the construction of more open homes but also lead to the construction of more open market construction of more open market homes construction of more open market homes in construction of more open market homes in those construction of more open market homes in those developments construction of more open market homes in those developments to homes in those developments to increasing increasing supply overall. Forecasting increasing supply overall. Forecasting residential increasing supply overall. Forecasting residential construction Forecasting residential construction is Forecasting residential construction is inherently Forecasting residential construction is inherently uncertain Forecasting residential construction is inherently uncertain and Forecasting residential construction is inherently uncertain and depends is inherently uncertain and depends on is inherently uncertain and depends on a is inherently uncertain and depends on a number is inherently uncertain and depends on a number of is inherently uncertain and depends on a number of assumptions is inherently uncertain and depends on a number of assumptions but is inherently uncertain and depends on a number of assumptions but MBIE on a number of assumptions but MBIE suggests on a number of assumptions but MBIE suggests that on a number of assumptions but MBIE suggests that KiwiBuild on a number of assumptions but MBIE suggests that KiwiBuild could suggests that KiwiBuild could generate suggests that KiwiBuild could generate up suggests that KiwiBuild could generate up to suggests that KiwiBuild could generate up to $11 suggests that KiwiBuild could generate up to $11 million suggests that KiwiBuild could generate up to $11 million in generate up to $11 million in additional generate up to $11 million in additional residential generate up to $11 million in additional residential construction additional residential construction over additional residential construction over the additional residential construction over the next additional residential construction over the next four additional residential construction over the next four years. additional residential construction over the next four years. We're over the next four years. We're getting over the next four years. We're getting on over the next four years. We're getting on with over the next four years. We're getting on with building over the next four years. We're getting on with building starter getting on with building starter homes getting on with building starter homes for getting on with building starter homes for young getting on with building starter homes for young Kiwi getting on with building starter homes for young Kiwi families. getting on with building starter homes getting on with building starter Question No. 7. homes homes for homes for young homes for young Kiwi homes for young Kiwi families. homes for young Kiwi families. Question homes for young Kiwi families. Question No. homes for young Kiwi families. Question No. 7. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all My question is to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by all his Transport: Does he stand by all his actions Transport: Does he stand by all his actions and Transport: Does he stand by all his actions and statements Transport: Does he stand by all his actions and statements on Transport: Does he stand by all his actions and statements on fuel actions and statements on fuel taxes? Yes, Yes, when Yes, when described Yes, when described and Yes, when described and reported Yes, when described and reported accurately. Yes, when described and reported accurately. Supplementary. Yes, when described and reported accurately. Supplementary. Will Yes, when described and reported accurately. Supplementary. Will he accurately. Supplementary. Will he provide accurately. Supplementary. Will he provide an accurately. Supplementary. Will he provide an assurance accurately. Supplementary. Will he provide an assurance that accurately. Supplementary. Will he provide an assurance that his provide an assurance that his Auckland provide an assurance that his Auckland regional provide an assurance that his Auckland regional fuel provide an assurance that his Auckland regional fuel tax provide an assurance that his Auckland regional fuel tax will provide an assurance that his Auckland regional fuel tax will only Auckland regional fuel tax will only be Auckland regional fuel tax will only be paid Auckland regional fuel tax will only be paid by Auckland regional fuel tax will only be paid by Aucklanders Auckland regional fuel tax will only be paid by Aucklanders and Auckland regional fuel tax will only be paid by Aucklanders and not be paid by Aucklanders and not spread be paid by Aucklanders and not spread to be paid by Aucklanders and not spread to taxpayers be paid by Aucklanders and not spread to taxpayers outside be paid by Aucklanders and not spread to taxpayers outside of spread to taxpayers outside of spread to taxpayers outside of spread to taxpayers outside of Auckland? I spread to taxpayers outside of Auckland? I can spread to taxpayers outside of Auckland? I can confirm, spread to taxpayers outside of Auckland? I can confirm, Mr spread to taxpayers outside of Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, that Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, that it Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, that it is Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, that it is a Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, that it is a regional Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, that it is a regional fuel Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, that it is a regional fuel tax. Auckland? I can confirm, Mr Speaker, that it is a regional fuel tax. Does that it is a regional fuel tax. Does he that it is a regional fuel tax. Does he agree that it is a regional fuel tax. Does he agree with that it is a regional fuel tax. Does he agree with the that it is a regional fuel tax. Does he agree with the founder that it is a regional fuel tax. 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Could I ask the minister as to whether or I ask the minister as to whether or not I ask the minister as to whether or not his I ask the minister as to whether or not his department I ask the minister as to whether or not his department has I ask the minister as to whether or not his department has given I ask the minister as to whether or not his department has given him not his department has given him reports not his department has given him reports that not his department has given him reports that suggest not his department has given him reports that suggest New not his department has given him reports that suggest New Zealanders reports that suggest New Zealanders cannot reports that suggest New Zealanders cannot pick reports that suggest New Zealanders cannot pick fruit reports that suggest New Zealanders cannot pick fruit because reports that suggest New Zealanders cannot pick fruit because their reports that suggest New Zealanders cannot reports that suggest New Zealanders hands was too reports that suggest New Zealanders hands was too big reports that suggest New Zealanders hands was too big as reports that suggest New Zealanders hands was too big as was reports that suggest New Zealanders hands was too big as was said reports that suggest New Zealanders hands was too big as was said by reports that suggest New Zealanders hands was too big as was said by a hands was too big as was said by a former hands was too big as was said by a hands hands was too big as was said by a former National Party hands was too big as was said by a former National Party minister? hands was too big as was said by a former National Party minister? No, former National Party minister? No, I former National Party minister? No, I haven't former National Party minister? No, I haven't quite former National Party minister? No, I haven't quite seen former National Party minister? No, I haven't quite seen those former National Party minister? No, I haven't quite seen those reports I haven't quite seen those reports I haven't quite seen those reports I haven't quite seen those reports yet but I haven't quite seen those reports yet but I I haven't quite seen those reports yet but I will I haven't quite seen those reports yet but I will wait I haven't quite seen those reports yet but I will wait for I haven't quite seen those reports yet but I will wait for them I haven't quite seen those reports yet but I will wait for them to I haven't quite seen those reports yet but I will wait for them to come yet but I will wait for them to come over yet but I will wait for them to come over my yet but I will wait for them to come over my desk. yet but I will wait for them to come over my desk. Supplementary. yet but I will wait for them to come over my desk. Supplementary. Has yet but I will wait for them to come over my desk. Supplementary. Has he over my desk. Supplementary. Has he discussed over my desk. Supplementary. Has he discussed this over my desk. Supplementary. Has he discussed this labour over my desk. Supplementary. Has he discussed this labour shortage over my desk. Supplementary. Has he discussed this labour shortage with discussed this labour shortage with discussed this labour shortage with discussed this labour shortage with his colleague discussed this labour shortage with his colleague Shane discussed this labour shortage with his colleague Shane Jones discussed this labour shortage with his colleague Shane Jones who discussed this labour shortage with his colleague Shane Jones who said his colleague Shane Jones who said his colleague Shane Jones who said his colleague Shane Jones who said of unemployment his colleague Shane Jones who said of unemployment people his colleague Shane Jones who said of unemployment people not his colleague Shane Jones who said of unemployment people not no of unemployment people not no of unemployment people not no of unemployment people not no education or of unemployment people not no education or training of unemployment people not no education or training that of unemployment people not no education or training that "they education or training that "they education or training that "they education or training that "they will be education or training that "they will be made education or training that "they will be made to education or training that "they will be made to go education or training that "they will be made to go to education or training that "they will be made to go to work" education or training that "they will be made to go to work" and will be made to go to work" and "there will be made to go to work" and "there will will be made to go to work" and "there will be will be made to go to work" and "there will be no will be made to go to work" and "there will be no more will be made to go to work" and "there will be no more sitting will be made to go to work" and "there will be no more sitting on "there will be no more sitting on the "there will be no more sitting on the couch"? 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I can't - I think we've discussed that many times and discussed that many times and discussed that many times and discussed that many times and sometimes we discussed that many times and sometimes we agree discussed that many times and sometimes we agree to discussed that many times and sometimes we agree to disagree. discussed that many times and sometimes we agree to disagree. Why sometimes we agree to disagree. Why does sometimes we agree to disagree. Why does the sometimes we agree to disagree. Why does the minister sometimes we agree to disagree. Why does the minister believe sometimes we agree to disagree. Why does the minister believe that does the minister believe that does the minister believe that does the minister believe that seasonal work does the minister believe that seasonal work can does the minister believe that seasonal work can be does the minister believe that seasonal work can be "a does the minister believe that seasonal work can be "a good does the minister believe that seasonal work can be "a good option seasonal work can be "a good option for seasonal work can be "a good option seasonal seasonal work can be "a good option for some"? Kia seasonal work can be "a good option for some"? Kia Ora. seasonal work can be "a good option for some"? Kia Ora. I seasonal work can be "a good option for some"? Kia Ora. I believe seasonal work can be "a good option for some"? Kia Ora. I believe the for some"? Kia Ora. I believe the information for some"? Kia Ora. I believe the information collected for some"? Kia Ora. I believe the information collected by for some"? Kia Ora. I believe the information collected by Work for some"? Kia Ora. I believe the information collected by Work and information collected by Work and Income information collected by Work and Income indicates information collected by Work and Income indicates that information collected by Work and Income indicates that for information collected by Work and Income indicates that for some Income indicates that for some Income indicates that for some Income indicates that for some seasonal work Income indicates that for some seasonal work is Income indicates that for some seasonal work is a Income indicates that for some seasonal work is a good Income indicates that for some seasonal work is a good option. Income indicates that for some seasonal work is a good option. For seasonal work is a good option. For example, seasonal work is a good option. For example, we seasonal work is a good option. For example, we have seasonal work is a good option. For example, we have seen seasonal work is a good option. For example, we have seen many seasonal work is a good option. For example, we have seen many Kiwis example, we have seen many Kiwis placed example, we have seen many Kiwis placed into example, we have seen many Kiwis placed into work example, we have seen many Kiwis placed into work in example, we have seen many Kiwis placed into work in the example, we have seen many Kiwis placed into work in the Hawke's example, we have seen many Kiwis placed into work in the Hawke's Bay placed into work in the Hawke's Bay for placed into work in the Hawke's Bay for short placed into work in the Hawke's Bay for short durations. placed into work in the Hawke's Bay for short durations. For placed into work in the Hawke's Bay for short durations. For others, placed into work in the Hawke's Bay for short durations. For others, as for short durations. For others, as I for short durations. For others, as I keep for short durations. For others, as I keep saying, for short durations. For others, as I keep saying, there for short durations. For others, as I keep saying, there are for short durations. For others, as I keep saying, there are barriers I keep saying, there are barriers that I keep saying, there are barriers that need I keep saying, there are barriers that need to I keep saying, there are barriers that need to be I keep saying, there are barriers that need to be considered I keep saying, there are barriers that need to be considered such I keep saying, there are barriers that need to be considered such as that need to be considered such as travel, that need to be considered such as travel, childcare that need to be considered such as travel, childcare and that need to be considered such as travel, childcare and health. that need to be considered such as travel, childcare and health. All that need to be considered such as travel, childcare and health. All of travel, childcare and health. All of which travel, childcare and health. All of which can travel, childcare and health. All of which can make travel, childcare and health. All of which can make them travel, childcare and health. All of which can make them unsuitable, travel, childcare and health. All of which can make them unsuitable, sir, which can make them unsuitable, sir, for which can make them unsuitable, sir, for short-duration which can make them unsuitable, sir, for short-duration placements. for short-duration placements. Supplementary. for short-duration placements. Supplementary. Should for short-duration placements. Supplementary. Should unemployed Supplementary. Should unemployed never-do-well Supplementary. Should unemployed never-do-well Nifs Supplementary. Should unemployed never-do-well Nifs sitting Supplementary. Should unemployed never-do-well Nifs sitting on Supplementary. Should unemployed never-do-well Nifs sitting on the never-do-well Nifs sitting on the couch never-do-well Nifs sitting on the couch in never-do-well Nifs sitting on the couch in the never-do-well Nifs sitting on the couch in the Bay never-do-well Nifs sitting on the couch in the Bay of never-do-well Nifs sitting on the couch in the Bay of Plenty, never-do-well Nifs sitting on the couch in the Bay of Plenty, Hawke's couch in the Bay of Plenty, Hawke's Bay couch in the Bay of Plenty, Hawke's Bay and couch in the Bay of Plenty, Hawke's Bay and Tasman, couch in the Bay of Plenty, Hawke's Bay and Tasman, be couch in the Bay of Plenty, Hawke's Bay and Tasman, be expected couch in the Bay of Plenty, Hawke's Bay and Tasman, be expected to couch in the Bay of Plenty, Hawke's Bay and Tasman, be expected to pick Bay and Tasman, be expected to pick fruit Bay and Tasman, be expected to pick fruit if Bay and Tasman, be expected to pick fruit if they Bay and Tasman, be expected to pick fruit if they are Bay and Tasman, be expected to pick fruit if they are physically Bay and Tasman, be expected to pick fruit if they are physically able? fruit if they are physically able? Again, fruit if they are physically able? Again, I fruit if they are physically able? Again, I suppose fruit if they are physically able? Again, I suppose it fruit if they are physically able? Again, I suppose it depend fruit if they are physically able? Again, I suppose it depend on fruit if they are physically able? Again, I suppose it depend on the Again, I suppose it depend on the circumstances. Again, I suppose it depend on the circumstances. Sometimes, Again, I suppose it depend on the circumstances. Sometimes, Mr circumstances. Sometimes, Mr Speaker, circumstances. Sometimes, Mr Speaker, yes, circumstances. Sometimes, Mr Speaker, yes, and circumstances. Sometimes, Mr Speaker, yes, and sometimes circumstances. Sometimes, Mr Speaker, yes, and sometimes no Speaker, yes, and sometimes no because Speaker, yes, and sometimes no because they Speaker, yes, and sometimes no because they have Speaker, yes, and sometimes no because they have family Speaker, yes, and sometimes no because they have family commitments because they have family commitments because they have family commitments because they have family commitments and they because they have family commitments and they just because they have family commitments and they just can't because they have family commitments and they just can't walk because they have family commitments and they just can't walk away because they have family commitments and they just can't walk away from and they just can't walk away from their and they just can't walk away from their family and they just can't walk away from their family at and they just can't walk away from their family at the and they just can't walk away from their family at the drop and they just can't walk away from their family at the drop of and they just can't walk away from their family at the drop of a and they just can't walk away from their family at the drop of a hat. their family at the drop of a hat. Does their family at the drop of a hat. Does he their family at the drop of a hat. Does he agree their family at the drop of a hat. Does he agree with their family at the drop of a hat. Does he agree with an their family at the drop of a hat. Does he agree with an RNZ their family at the drop of a hat. Does he agree with an RNZ report Does he agree with an RNZ report that Does he agree with an RNZ report that some Does he agree with an RNZ report that some job Does he agree with an RNZ report that some job seekers Does he agree with an RNZ report that some job seekers would Does he agree with an RNZ report that some job seekers would rather that some job seekers would rather stay that some job seekers would rather stay on that some job seekers would rather stay on the that some job seekers would rather stay on the dole that some job seekers would rather stay on the dole than that some job seekers would rather stay on the dole than pick that some job seekers would rather stay on the dole than pick apples stay on the dole than pick apples and stay on the dole than pick apples and does stay on the dole than pick apples and does him stay on the dole than pick apples and does him constantly stay on the dole than pick apples and does him constantly excusing and does him constantly excusing and does him constantly excusing and does him constantly excusing people on and does him constantly excusing people on the and does him constantly excusing people on the dole and does him constantly excusing people on the dole from and does him constantly excusing people on the dole from working people on the dole from working people on the dole from working people on the dole from working help? Yes people on the dole from working help? Yes and people on the dole from working help? Yes and no. people on the dole from working help? Yes and no. <INTERRUPTION> help? Yes and no. <INTERRUPTION> So help? Yes and no. <INTERRUPTION> So what help? Yes and no. <INTERRUPTION> So what sanctions help? Yes and no. <INTERRUPTION> So what sanctions would help? Yes and no. <INTERRUPTION> So what sanctions would he help? Yes and no. <INTERRUPTION> So what sanctions would he apply help? Yes and no. <INTERRUPTION> So what sanctions would he apply to So what sanctions would he apply to job So what sanctions would he apply to job seekers So what sanctions would he apply to job seekers who So what sanctions would he apply to job seekers who have So what sanctions would he apply to job seekers who have tried So what sanctions would he apply to job seekers who have tried picking job seekers who have tried picking fruit, job seekers who have tried picking fruit, lasted job seekers who have tried picking fruit, lasted only job seekers who have tried picking fruit, lasted only half job seekers who have tried picking fruit, lasted only half a job seekers who have tried picking fruit, lasted only half a day, job seekers who have tried picking fruit, lasted only half a day, and fruit, lasted only half a day, and would fruit, lasted only half a day, and would rather fruit, lasted only half a day, and would rather remain fruit, lasted only half a day, and would rather remain jobless? fruit, lasted only half a day, and would rather remain jobless? In would rather remain jobless? In terms would rather remain jobless? In terms of would rather remain jobless? In terms of sanctions, would rather remain jobless? In terms of sanctions, I would rather remain jobless? In terms of sanctions, I have would rather remain jobless? In terms of sanctions, I have no terms of sanctions, I have no delegations terms of sanctions, I have no would terms of sanctions, I have no delegations as the terms of sanctions, I have no delegations as the Minister terms of sanctions, I have no delegations as the Minister of delegations as the Minister of Employment delegations as the Minister of Employment for delegations as the Minister of Employment for sanctions delegations as the Minister of Employment for sanctions however, Employment for sanctions however, currently Employment for sanctions however, currently minister Employment for sanctions however, currently minister Sepuloni Employment for sanctions however, currently minister Sepuloni has Employment for sanctions however, currently minister Sepuloni has a currently minister Sepuloni has a wide-ranging currently minister Sepuloni has a wide-ranging review currently minister Sepuloni has a wide-ranging review of currently minister Sepuloni has a wide-ranging review of the currently minister Sepuloni has a wide-ranging review of the welfare wide-ranging review of the welfare system wide-ranging review of the welfare wide-ranging wide-ranging review of the welfare system and I wide-ranging review of the welfare system and I fully wide-ranging review of the welfare system and I fully support wide-ranging review of the welfare system and I fully support the system and I fully support the review system and I fully support the review and system and I fully support the review and the system and I fully support the review and the work system and I fully support the review and the work that system and I fully support the review and the work that the review and the work that the minister review and the work that the minister is review and the work that the minister is currently review and the work that the minister is currently doing. minister is currently doing. Supplementary. minister is currently doing. Supplementary. So minister is currently doing. Supplementary. So if minister is currently doing. Supplementary. So if unemployed minister is currently doing. Supplementary. So if unemployed New Supplementary. So if unemployed New Zealanders Supplementary. So if unemployed New Zealanders in Supplementary. So if unemployed New Zealanders in the Supplementary. So if unemployed New Zealanders in the bay Supplementary. So if unemployed New Zealanders in the bay of Supplementary. So if unemployed New Zealanders in the bay of the Supplementary. So if unemployed New Zealanders in the bay of the hawk Supplementary. So if unemployed New Zealanders in the bay of the hawk -- Zealanders in the bay of the hawk -- Bay Zealanders in the bay of the hawk -- Bay of Zealanders in the bay of the hawk -- Bay of Plenty, Zealanders in the bay of the hawk -- Bay of Plenty, the Zealanders in the bay of the hawk -- Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Zealanders in the bay of the hawk -- Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Bay Zealanders in the bay of the hawk -- Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Bay and Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Bay and Tasman Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Bay and Tasman with Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Bay and Tasman with commitments Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Bay and Tasman with commitments are Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Bay and Tasman with commitments are asked Bay of Plenty, the Hawke's Bay and Tasman with commitments are asked to Tasman with commitments are asked to work Tasman with commitments are asked to work and Tasman with commitments are asked to work and don't Tasman with commitments are asked to work and don't show Tasman with commitments are asked to work and don't show up, Tasman with commitments are asked to work and don't show up, does Tasman with commitments are asked to work and don't show up, does he work and don't show up, does he believe work and don't show up, does he believe the work and don't show up, does he believe the welfare work and don't show up, does he believe the welfare system work and don't show up, does he believe the welfare system should believe the welfare system should sanction believe the welfare system should sanction them? believe the welfare system should sanction them? Again, believe the welfare system should sanction them? Again, as believe the welfare system should sanction them? Again, as I've believe the welfare system should sanction them? Again, as I've said sanction them? Again, as I've said sanction them? Again, as I've said sanction them? Again, as I've said last week, sanction them? Again, as I've said last week, it sanction them? Again, as I've said last week, it is sanction them? Again, as I've said last week, it is not sanction them? Again, as I've said last week, it is not black sanction them? Again, as I've said last week, it is not black and last week, it is not black and white. last week, it is not black and white. It last week, it is not black and white. It depend last week, it is not black and white. It depend on last week, it is not black and white. It depend on the white. It depend on the circumstances. white. It depend on the circumstances. Obviously white. It depend on the circumstances. Obviously there white. It depend on the circumstances. Obviously there will circumstances. Obviously there will be circumstances. Obviously there will be some circumstances. Obviously there will be some who circumstances. Obviously there will be some who have circumstances. Obviously there will be some who have to circumstances. Obviously there will be some who have to go circumstances. Obviously there will be some who have to go through circumstances. Obviously there will be some who have to go through that be some who have to go through that process. be some who have to go through that process. The be some who have to go through that process. The other be some who have to go through that process. The other side be some who have to go through that process. The other side of be some who have to go through that process. The other side of that be some who have to go through that process. The other side of that is process. The other side of that is that process. The other side of that is that there process. The other side of that is that there are process. The other side of that is that there are some process. The other side of that is that there are some real process. The other side of that is that there are some real excuses process. The other side of that is that there are some real excuses why that there are some real excuses why sometimes that there are some real excuses why sometimes people that there are some real excuses why sometimes people can't that there are some real excuses why sometimes people can't travel, that there are some real excuses why sometimes people can't travel, like sometimes people can't travel, like whanau. sometimes people can't travel, like whanau. They sometimes people can't travel, like whanau. They can't sometimes people can't travel, like whanau. They can't just sometimes people can't travel, like whanau. They can't just walk sometimes people can't travel, like whanau. They can't just walk out sometimes people can't travel, like whanau. They can't just walk out on whanau. They can't just walk out on their whanau. They can't just walk out on their kids. whanau. They can't just walk out on their kids. Like whanau. They can't just walk out on their kids. Like no whanau. They can't just walk out on their kids. Like no transport whanau. They can't just walk out on their kids. Like no transport costs. their kids. Like no transport costs. Like their kids. Like no transport costs. Like no their kids. Like no transport costs. Like no accommodation their kids. Like no transport costs. Like no accommodation costs. their kids. Like no transport costs. Like no accommodation costs. There Like no accommodation costs. There are Like no accommodation costs. There are a Like no accommodation costs. There are a lot Like no accommodation costs. There are a lot of Like no accommodation costs. There are a lot of reasons. Like no accommodation costs. There are a lot of reasons. But Like no accommodation costs. There are a lot of reasons. But it Like no accommodation costs. There are a lot of reasons. But it is Like no accommodation costs. There are a lot of reasons. But it is not are a lot of reasons. But it is not just are a lot of reasons. But it is not are are a lot of reasons. But it is not just black and are a lot of reasons. But it is not just black and white, are a lot of reasons. But it is not just black and white, as are a lot of reasons. But it is not just black and white, as the are a lot of reasons. But it is not just black and white, as the member just black and white, as the member well just black and white, as the member well knows. just black and white, as the member well knows. Supplementary. just black and white, as the member well knows. Supplementary. No, just black and white, as the member well knows. Supplementary. No, that well knows. Supplementary. No, that concludes well knows. Supplementary. No, that well well knows. Supplementary. No, that concludes Oral Questions. well knows. Supplementary. No, that concludes Oral Questions. I well knows. Supplementary. No, that concludes Oral Questions. I call