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Does he think the Overseas Amendment Bill as drafted Overseas Amendment Bill as drafted will Overseas Amendment Bill as drafted will give Overseas Amendment Bill as drafted will give rise Overseas Amendment Bill as drafted will give rise to Overseas Amendment Bill as drafted will give rise to post Overseas Amendment Bill as drafted will give rise to post settlement will give rise to post settlement treaty will give rise to post settlement treaty claims? treaty claims? Mr treaty claims? Mr Speaker, treaty claims? Mr Speaker, Cabinet treaty claims? Mr Speaker, Cabinet made treaty claims? Mr Speaker, Cabinet made a treaty claims? 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We've accepted your ruling that this OAO bill. We've accepted your ruling that it's, this OAO bill. We've accepted your ruling that it's, there this OAO bill. We've accepted your ruling that it's, there shouldn't this OAO bill. We've accepted your ruling that it's, there shouldn't be ruling that it's, there shouldn't be exceptions ruling that it's, there shouldn't be exceptions for ruling that it's, there shouldn't be exceptions for specific ruling that it's, there shouldn't be exceptions for specific groups ruling that it's, there shouldn't be exceptions for specific groups and exceptions for specific groups and we exceptions for specific groups and we accept exceptions for specific groups and we accept that. exceptions for specific groups and we accept that. The exceptions for specific groups and we accept that. The Rt exceptions for specific groups and we accept that. The Rt Hon exceptions for specific groups and we accept that. The Rt Hon Winston we accept that. 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Mr original decision to advance the exemption? Mr Speaker, original decision to advance the exemption? Mr Speaker, no. original decision to advance the exemption? Mr Speaker, no. Mr exemption? Mr Speaker, no. Mr Speaker, exemption? Mr Speaker, no. Mr Speaker, to exemption? Mr Speaker, no. Mr Speaker, to the exemption? Mr Speaker, no. Mr Speaker, to the minister, exemption? Mr Speaker, no. 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Mr legislative step to advance the iwi? Mr Speaker, legislative step to advance the iwi? Mr Speaker, what legislative step to advance the iwi? Mr Speaker, what we legislative step to advance the iwi? Mr Speaker, what we do legislative step to advance the iwi? Mr Speaker, what we do in legislative step to advance the iwi? Mr Speaker, what we do in the legislative step to advance the iwi? Mr Speaker, what we do in the future Mr Speaker, what we do in the future is Mr Speaker, what we do in the future is yet Mr Speaker, what we do in the future is yet to Mr Speaker, what we do in the future is yet to be Mr Speaker, what we do in the future is yet to be determined. Mr Speaker, what we do in the future is yet to be determined. The is yet to be determined. The exemption is yet to be determined. The exemption was is yet to be determined. The exemption was ruled is yet to be determined. The exemption was ruled out is yet to be determined. 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Mr defunct transitional exemption. Mr Speaker, defunct transitional exemption. Mr Speaker, in defunct transitional exemption. Mr Speaker, in his defunct transitional exemption. 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The were developers with the iwi. The other were developers with the iwi. The other beneficiaries were developers with the iwi. The other beneficiaries would were developers with the iwi. The other beneficiaries would have were developers with the iwi. The other beneficiaries would have been other beneficiaries would have been the other beneficiaries would have been the people other beneficiaries would have been the people who other beneficiaries would have been the people who got other beneficiaries would have been the people who got the other beneficiaries would have been the people who got the benefit other beneficiaries would have been the people who got the benefit of the people who got the benefit of the the people who got the benefit of the exemption the people who got the benefit of the exemption as the people who got the benefit of the exemption as overseas the people who got the benefit of the exemption as overseas people the people who got the benefit of the exemption as overseas people who the exemption as overseas people who would the exemption as overseas people who would have the exemption as overseas people who would have been the exemption as overseas people who would have been able the exemption as overseas people who would have been able to the exemption as overseas people who would have been able to acquire the exemption as overseas people who would have been able to acquire that would have been able to acquire that land would have been able to acquire that land as would have been able to acquire that land as overseas would have been able to acquire that land as overseas people would have been able to acquire that land as overseas people when would have been able to acquire that land as overseas people when they land as overseas people when they would land as overseas people when they would not land as overseas people when they would not have land as overseas people when they would not have been land as overseas people when they would not have been able land as overseas people when they would not have been able to land as overseas people when they would not have been able to but land as overseas people when they would not have been able to but for would not have been able to but for the would not have been able to but for the exemption. would not have been able to but for the exemption. 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Why, then, did he decide to seek the exemption, when decide to seek the exemption, when Treasurer decide to seek the exemption, when Treasurer advice decide to seek the exemption, when Treasurer advice he decide to seek the exemption, when Treasurer advice he received decide to seek the exemption, when Treasurer advice he received on decide to seek the exemption, when Treasurer advice he received on 19 Treasurer advice he received on 19 March Treasurer advice he received on 19 March advised Treasurer advice he received on 19 March advised against Treasurer advice he received on 19 March advised against it? Treasurer advice he received on 19 March advised against it? He Treasurer advice he received on 19 March advised against it? He had Treasurer advice he received on 19 March advised against it? He had not March advised against it? He had not sought March advised against it? He had not sought clarification March advised against it? He had not sought clarification on March advised against it? He had not sought clarification on who March advised against it? He had not sought clarification on who would sought clarification on who would benefit sought clarification on who would benefit most sought clarification on who would benefit most from sought clarification on who would benefit most from the sought clarification on who would benefit most from the exemption sought clarification on who would benefit most from the exemption and benefit most from the exemption and he benefit most from the exemption and he knew benefit most from the exemption and he knew that benefit most from the exemption and he knew that Ti benefit most from the exemption and he knew that Ti Arai benefit most from the exemption and he knew that Ti Arai Ltd benefit most from the exemption and he knew that Ti Arai Ltd did benefit most from the exemption and he knew that Ti Arai Ltd did not he knew that Ti Arai Ltd did not record he knew that Ti Arai Ltd did not record iwi he knew that Ti Arai Ltd did not record iwi as he knew that Ti Arai Ltd did not record iwi as shareholders. he knew that Ti Arai Ltd did not record iwi as shareholders. Mr record iwi as shareholders. Mr Speaker, record iwi as shareholders. Mr Speaker, because record iwi as shareholders. Mr Speaker, because after record iwi as shareholders. Mr Speaker, because after discussions Speaker, because after discussions with Speaker, because after discussions with my Speaker, because after discussions with my Cabinet Speaker, because after discussions with my Cabinet colleagues, Speaker, because after discussions with my Cabinet colleagues, the with my Cabinet colleagues, the conservative with my Cabinet colleagues, the conservative government with my Cabinet colleagues, the conservative government thought with my Cabinet colleagues, the conservative government thought it conservative government thought it was conservative government thought it was appropriate conservative government thought it was appropriate that conservative government thought it was appropriate that though conservative government thought it was appropriate that though there conservative government thought it was appropriate that though there be was appropriate that though there be no was appropriate that though there be no general was appropriate that though there be no general exemption was appropriate that though there be no general exemption for was appropriate that though there be no general exemption for all was appropriate that though there be no general exemption for all treaty no general exemption for all treaty settlement no general exemption for all treaty settlement land no general exemption for all treaty settlement land a no general exemption for all treaty settlement land a transitional settlement land a transitional exemption settlement land a transitional exemption was settlement land a transitional exemption was justified settlement land a transitional exemption was justified in settlement land a transitional exemption was justified in this exemption was justified in this case. exemption was justified in this case. Mr exemption was justified in this case. Mr Speaker, exemption was justified in this case. Mr Speaker, did exemption was justified in this case. Mr Speaker, did any exemption was justified in this case. Mr Speaker, did any of exemption was justified in this case. Mr Speaker, did any of his case. Mr Speaker, did any of his colleagues case. Mr Speaker, did any of his colleagues or case. Mr Speaker, did any of his colleagues or officials case. Mr Speaker, did any of his colleagues or officials tell case. Mr Speaker, did any of his colleagues or officials tell him colleagues or officials tell him during colleagues or officials tell him during his colleagues or officials tell him during his consideration colleagues or officials tell him during his consideration of colleagues or officials tell him during his consideration of the during his consideration of the exemption during his consideration of the exemption that during his consideration of the exemption that the during his consideration of the exemption that the 2016 during his consideration of the exemption that the 2016 annual exemption that the 2016 annual report exemption that the 2016 annual report states, exemption that the 2016 annual report states, that exemption that the 2016 annual report states, that 4472 exemption that the 2016 annual report states, that 4472 hectares exemption that the 2016 annual report states, that 4472 hectares of report states, that 4472 hectares of the report states, that 4472 hectares of the land report states, that 4472 hectares of the land in report states, that 4472 hectares of the land in question report states, that 4472 hectares of the land in question was report states, that 4472 hectares of the land in question was sold report states, that 4472 hectares of the land in question was sold in report states, that 4472 hectares of the land in question was sold in the the land in question was sold in the 2015/16 the land in question was sold in the 2015/16 year the land in question was sold in the 2015/16 year to the land in question was sold in the 2015/16 year to Ti the land in question was sold in the 2015/16 year to Ti Arai the land in question was sold in the 2015/16 year to Ti Arai South 2015/16 year to Ti Arai South Holdings 2015/16 year to Ti Arai South Holdings which 2015/16 year to Ti Arai South Holdings which the 2015/16 year to Ti Arai South Holdings which the iwi 2015/16 year to Ti Arai South Holdings which the iwi have 2015/16 year to Ti Arai South Holdings which the iwi have no Holdings which the iwi have no shareholder Holdings which the iwi have no shareholder in Holdings which the iwi have no shareholder in and Holdings which the iwi have no shareholder in and only Holdings which the iwi have no shareholder in and only retain Holdings which the iwi have no shareholder in and only retain 2 shareholder in and only retain 2 Hunua shareholder in and only retain 2 Hunua hectares shareholder in and only retain 2 Hunua hectares of shareholder in and only retain 2 Hunua hectares of lower shareholder in and only retain 2 Hunua hectares of lower value shareholder in and only retain 2 Hunua hectares of lower value dune Hunua hectares of lower value dune land Hunua hectares of lower value dune land intended Hunua hectares of lower value dune land intended for Hunua hectares of lower value dune land intended for sand Hunua hectares of lower value dune land intended for sand mining? Hunua hectares of lower value dune land intended for sand mining? No, land intended for sand mining? No, they land intended for sand mining? No, they didn't. land intended for sand mining? No, they didn't. I land intended for sand mining? No, they didn't. I think land intended for sand mining? No, they didn't. I think it land intended for sand mining? No, they didn't. I think it is land intended for sand mining? No, they didn't. I think it is fair they didn't. I think it is fair enough they didn't. I think it is fair enough for they didn't. I think it is fair enough for the they didn't. I think it is fair enough for the Opposition they didn't. I think it is fair enough for the Opposition to enough for the Opposition to question enough for the Opposition to question whether enough for the Opposition to question whether the enough for the Opposition to question whether the select question whether the select committee question whether the select committee or question whether the select committee or I question whether the select committee or I perhaps question whether the select committee or I perhaps should question whether the select committee or I perhaps should have committee or I perhaps should have looked committee or I perhaps should have looked into committee or I perhaps should have looked into further committee or I perhaps should have looked into further respect committee or I perhaps should have looked into further respect of committee or I perhaps should have looked into further respect of some looked into further respect of some of looked into further respect of some of those looked into further respect of some of those details. looked into further respect of some of those details. 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Of course that is committee stage of the House. Of course that is now committee stage of the House. Of course that is now not committee stage of the House. Of course that is now not open committee stage of the House. Of course that is now not open to committee stage of the House. Of course that is now not open to us. committee stage of the House. Of course that is now not open to us. I course that is now not open to us. I made course that is now not open to us. I made the course that is now not open to us. I made the decisions course that is now not open to us. I made the decisions that course that is now not open to us. I made the decisions that I made the decisions that I recommended made the decisions that I recommended to made the decisions that I recommended to Cabinet made the decisions that I recommended to Cabinet based made the decisions that I recommended to Cabinet based on made the decisions that I recommended to Cabinet based on the recommended to Cabinet based on the information recommended to Cabinet based on the information I recommended to Cabinet based on the information I had recommended to Cabinet based on the information I had at recommended to Cabinet based on the information I had at the recommended to Cabinet based on the information I had at the time. Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, did Mr Speaker, did the Mr Speaker, did the Hon Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Jones Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Jones ask Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Jones ask him Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Jones ask him to Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Jones ask him to advance Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Jones ask him to advance the Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Jones ask him to advance the exemption Mr Speaker, did the Hon Shane Jones ask him to advance the exemption and ask him to advance the exemption and if ask him to advance the exemption and if so, ask him to advance the exemption and if so, did ask him to advance the exemption and if so, did he ask him to advance the exemption and if so, did he explain ask him to advance the exemption and if so, did he explain that ask him to advance the exemption and if so, did he explain that the ask him to advance the exemption and if so, did he explain that the iwi if so, did he explain that the iwi had if so, did he explain that the iwi had very if so, did he explain that the iwi had very little if so, did he explain that the iwi had very little to if so, did he explain that the iwi had very little to gain if so, did he explain that the iwi had very little to gain from if so, did he explain that the iwi had very little to gain from this had very little to gain from this exemption? exemption? 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Did the Hon Shane Jones ask for the minister to have regard to for the minister to have regard to some for the minister to have regard to some exemptions for the minister to have regard to some exemptions and for the minister to have regard to some exemptions and the for the minister to have regard to some exemptions and the driving some exemptions and the driving force some exemptions and the driving force behind some exemptions and the driving force behind the some exemptions and the driving force behind the request some exemptions and the driving force behind the request was some exemptions and the driving force behind the request was the force behind the request was the former force behind the request was the former National force behind the request was the former National Party force behind the request was the former National Party leader force behind the request was the former National Party leader Sir former National Party leader Sir John former National Party leader Sir John Key? 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What I was aware of was that the National Party advocated that the National Party advocated for that the National Party advocated for exemptions that the National Party advocated for exemptions for that the National Party advocated for exemptions for the that the National Party advocated for exemptions for the wealthiest for exemptions for the wealthiest foreigners for exemptions for the wealthiest foreigners to for exemptions for the wealthiest foreigners to buy for exemptions for the wealthiest foreigners to buy land for exemptions for the wealthiest foreigners to buy land exemplified foreigners to buy land exemplified by foreigners to buy land exemplified by Hamish foreigners to buy land exemplified by Hamish walker's foreigners to buy land exemplified by Hamish walker's proposition foreigners to buy land exemplified by Hamish walker's proposition that by Hamish walker's proposition that Queenstown by Hamish walker's proposition that Queenstown should by Hamish walker's proposition that Queenstown should have by Hamish walker's proposition that Queenstown should have an by Hamish walker's proposition that Queenstown should have an exception Queenstown should have an exception of Queenstown should have an exception of $5 Queenstown should have an exception of $5 million Queenstown should have an exception of $5 million or Queenstown should have an exception of $5 million or more Queenstown should have an exception of $5 million or more to Queenstown should have an exception of $5 million or more to foreign of $5 million or more to foreign buyers. of $5 million or more to foreign buyers. <INTERRUPTION> buyers. <INTERRUPTION> Mr buyers. <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, buyers. <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, does buyers. <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, does the buyers. <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, does the minister buyers. <INTERRUPTION> Mr Speaker, does the minister now Mr Speaker, does the minister now accept Mr Speaker, does the minister now accept that Mr Speaker, does the minister now accept that the Mr Speaker, does the minister now accept that the iwi Mr Speaker, does the minister now accept that the iwi in Mr Speaker, does the minister now accept that the iwi in this Mr Speaker, does the minister now accept that the iwi in this case accept that the iwi in this case have accept that the iwi in this case have very accept that the iwi in this case have very little accept that the iwi in this case have very little or accept that the iwi in this case have very little or never accept that the iwi in this case have very little or never had accept that the iwi in this case have very little or never had much have very little or never had much to have very little or never had much to gain have very little or never had much to gain from have very little or never had much to gain from the have very little or never had much to gain from the exception have very little or never had much to gain from the exception and have very little or never had much to gain from the exception and that to gain from the exception and that he to gain from the exception and that he was to gain from the exception and that he was by to gain from the exception and that he was by and to gain from the exception and that he was by and large to gain from the exception and that he was by and large hoodwinked to gain from the exception and that he was by and large hoodwinked by he was by and large hoodwinked by his he was by and large hoodwinked by his Cabinet he was by and large hoodwinked by his Cabinet colleagues he was by and large hoodwinked by his Cabinet colleagues from he was by and large hoodwinked by his Cabinet colleagues from New his Cabinet colleagues from New Zealand his Cabinet colleagues from New Zealand First his Cabinet colleagues from New Zealand First into his Cabinet colleagues from New Zealand First into making his Cabinet colleagues from New Zealand First into making what his Cabinet colleagues from New Zealand First into making what is Zealand First into making what is ultimately Zealand First into making what is ultimately - Zealand First into making what is ultimately - <INTERRUPTION> ultimately - <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, ultimately - <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, I ultimately - <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, I was ultimately - <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, I was impersonating ultimately - <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, I was impersonating the Sorry, I was impersonating the Acting Sorry, I was impersonating the Acting PM, Sorry, I was impersonating the Acting PM, my Sorry, I was impersonating the Acting PM, my apologies. 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Mr number one apologist, Michelle Burgh is involved as well? Mr Speaker, number one apologist, Michelle Burgh is involved as well? Mr Speaker, in is involved as well? Mr Speaker, in terms is involved as well? Mr Speaker, in terms of is involved as well? Mr Speaker, in terms of the is involved as well? Mr Speaker, in terms of the National is involved as well? Mr Speaker, in terms of the National Party terms of the National Party advocates terms of the National Party advocates on terms of the National Party advocates on behalf terms of the National Party advocates on behalf of terms of the National Party advocates on behalf of exemptions, terms of the National Party advocates on behalf of exemptions, I advocates on behalf of exemptions, I can't advocates on behalf of exemptions, I can't keep advocates on behalf of exemptions, I can't keep up. advocates on behalf of exemptions, I can't keep up. Mr advocates on behalf of exemptions, I can't keep up. 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My reference to perception was in regard to periods perception was in regard to periods of perception was in regard to periods of economic perception was in regard to periods of economic growth perception was in regard to periods of economic growth that perception was in regard to periods of economic growth that occurred perception was in regard to periods of economic growth that occurred at of economic growth that occurred at the of economic growth that occurred at the same of economic growth that occurred at the same time of economic growth that occurred at the same time as of economic growth that occurred at the same time as low of economic growth that occurred at the same time as low levels of economic growth that occurred at the same time as low levels of the same time as low levels of business the same time as low levels of business confidence. the same time as low levels of business confidence. Analysis the same time as low levels of business confidence. 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Does he believe the ANZ's own activity index, which ANZ's own activity index, which measures ANZ's own activity index, which measures firms' ANZ's own activity index, which measures firms' expectations ANZ's own activity index, which measures firms' expectations of measures firms' expectations of their measures firms' expectations of their activity, measures firms' expectations of their activity, provides measures firms' expectations of their activity, provides a measures firms' expectations of their activity, provides a useful their activity, provides a useful gauge their activity, provides a useful gauge of their activity, provides a useful gauge of future their activity, provides a useful gauge of future GTP their activity, provides a useful gauge of future GTP growth? gauge of future GTP growth? Mr gauge of future GTP growth? Mr Speaker, gauge of future GTP growth? Mr Speaker, yes, gauge of future GTP growth? Mr Speaker, yes, in gauge of future GTP growth? Mr Speaker, yes, in referencing gauge of future GTP growth? 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Mr middle of the Global Financial Crisis? Mr Speaker, middle of the Global Financial Crisis? Mr Speaker, I middle of the Global Financial Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think middle of the Global Financial Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think history Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think history will Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think history will say Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think history will say that Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think history will say that the Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think history will say that the economy Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think history will say that the economy did Crisis? Mr Speaker, I think history will say that the economy did grow will say that the economy did grow after will say that the economy did grow after that will say that the economy did grow after that period, will say that the economy did grow after that period, so will say that the economy did grow after that period, so the will say that the economy did grow after that period, so the confidence after that period, so the confidence that after that period, so the confidence that people after that period, so the confidence that people had after that period, so the confidence that people had in after that period, so the confidence that people had in 2009 after that period, so the confidence that people had in 2009 was after that period, so the confidence that people had in 2009 was well that people had in 2009 was well placed. that people had in 2009 was well placed. But that people had in 2009 was well placed. But going that people had in 2009 was well placed. But going forward, that people had in 2009 was well placed. But going forward, as that people had in 2009 was well placed. But going forward, as the placed. But going forward, as the economists placed. But going forward, as the economists have placed. But going forward, as the economists have said, placed. But going forward, as the economists have said, we placed. But going forward, as the economists have said, we expect placed. But going forward, as the economists have said, we expect tail economists have said, we expect tail winds economists have said, we expect tail winds in economists have said, we expect tail winds in the economists have said, we expect tail winds in the form economists have said, we expect tail winds in the form of economists have said, we expect tail winds in the form of fiscal economists have said, we expect tail winds in the form of fiscal stimulus winds in the form of fiscal stimulus and winds in the form of fiscal stimulus and strong winds in the form of fiscal stimulus and strong terms winds in the form of fiscal stimulus and strong terms of winds in the form of fiscal stimulus and strong terms of trade winds in the form of fiscal stimulus and strong terms of trade will winds in the form of fiscal stimulus and strong terms of trade will see and strong terms of trade will see the and strong terms of trade will see the economy and strong terms of trade will see the economy continue and strong terms of trade will see the economy continue to and strong terms of trade will see the economy continue to grow and strong terms of trade will see the economy continue to grow about the economy continue to grow about par the economy continue to grow about par - the economy continue to grow about par - can the economy continue to grow about par - can do the economy continue to grow about par - can do no the economy continue to grow about par - can do no better the economy continue to grow about par - can do no better than the economy continue to grow about par - can do no better than repeat par - can do no better than repeat the par - can do no better than repeat the experts par - can do no better than repeat the experts on par - can do no better than repeat the experts on this par - can do no better than repeat the experts on this matter. the experts on this matter. Is the experts on this matter. Is he the experts on this matter. Is he concerned the experts on this matter. Is he concerned at the experts on this matter. Is he concerned at all the experts on this matter. Is he concerned at all that the experts on this matter. Is he concerned at all that in Is he concerned at all that in yesterday's Is he concerned at all that in yesterday's ANZ Is he concerned at all that in yesterday's ANZ Business Is he concerned at all that in yesterday's ANZ Business Confidence yesterday's ANZ Business Confidence Survey, yesterday's ANZ Business Confidence Survey, business yesterday's ANZ Business Confidence Survey, business confidence yesterday's ANZ Business Confidence Survey, business confidence fell yesterday's ANZ Business Confidence Survey, business confidence fell by Survey, business confidence fell by a Survey, business confidence fell by a further Survey, business confidence fell by a further 12% Survey, business confidence fell by a further 12% bringing Survey, business confidence fell by a further 12% bringing the Survey, business confidence fell by a further 12% bringing the net a further 12% bringing the net figure a further 12% bringing the net figure to a further 12% bringing the net figure to negative-39% a further 12% bringing the net figure to negative-39% and a further 12% bringing the net figure to negative-39% and the a further 12% bringing the net figure to negative-39% and the own figure to negative-39% and the own OWN figure to negative-39% and the own OWN activity figure to negative-39% and the own OWN activity index figure to negative-39% and the own OWN activity index fell figure to negative-39% and the own OWN activity index fell by figure to negative-39% and the own OWN activity index fell by 4%. figure to negative-39% and the own OWN activity index fell by 4%. 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All of the conditions that contribute to conditions that contribute to economic conditions that contribute to economic growth conditions that contribute to economic growth are conditions that contribute to economic growth are strong. conditions that contribute to economic growth are strong. I conditions that contribute to economic growth are strong. I mean, economic growth are strong. I mean, business economic growth are strong. I mean, business investment economic growth are strong. I mean, business investment - economic growth are strong. I mean, business investment - in economic growth are strong. I mean, business investment - in the economic growth are strong. 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Unemployment growth rate of 3.9% in the year to March 2017. Unemployment is growth rate of 3.9% in the year to March 2017. Unemployment is forecast March 2017. Unemployment is forecast to March 2017. Unemployment is forecast to keep March 2017. Unemployment is forecast to keep falling, March 2017. Unemployment is forecast to keep falling, wages March 2017. Unemployment is forecast to keep falling, wages are March 2017. Unemployment is forecast to keep falling, wages are forecast to keep falling, wages are forecast to to keep falling, wages are forecast to rise to keep falling, wages are forecast to rise faster to keep falling, wages are forecast to rise faster than to keep falling, wages are forecast to rise faster than before to keep falling, wages are forecast to rise faster than before the to rise faster than before the election, to rise faster than before the election, business to rise faster than before the election, business investment election, business investment continuing election, business investment continuing to election, business investment continuing to grow election, business investment continuing to grow at election, business investment continuing to grow at nearly election, business investment continuing to grow at nearly 5.5% continuing to grow at nearly 5.5% per continuing to grow at nearly 5.5% per year. continuing to grow at nearly 5.5% per year. Does continuing to grow at nearly 5.5% per year. Does he continuing to grow at nearly 5.5% per year. Does he think continuing to grow at nearly 5.5% per year. Does he think his per year. Does he think his government per year. Does he think his government bears per year. Does he think his government bears in per year. Does he think his government bears in I per year. Does he think his government bears in I responsibility government bears in I responsibility for government bears in I responsibility for these government bears in I responsibility for these falls government bears in I responsibility for these falls in government bears in I responsibility for these falls in business for these falls in business confidence? for these falls in business confidence? Mr for these falls in business confidence? Mr Speaker, for these falls in business confidence? Mr Speaker, the confidence? Mr Speaker, the Government confidence? Mr Speaker, the Government will confidence? Mr Speaker, the Government will accept confidence? Mr Speaker, the Government will accept all confidence? Mr Speaker, the Government will accept all praise Government will accept all praise for Government will accept all praise for the Government will accept all praise for the increased, Government will accept all praise for the increased, the Government will accept all praise for the increased, the growing for the increased, the growing confidence for the increased, the growing confidence in for the increased, the growing confidence in the for the increased, the growing confidence in the economy, for the increased, the growing confidence in the economy, and for the increased, the growing confidence in the economy, and the confidence in the economy, and the forecasts confidence in the economy, and the forecasts which confidence in the economy, and the forecasts which show confidence in the economy, and the forecasts which show that forecasts which show that unemployment forecasts which show that unemployment will forecasts which show that unemployment will keep forecasts which show that unemployment will keep falling, forecasts which show that unemployment will keep falling, that unemployment will keep falling, that wages unemployment will keep falling, that wages are unemployment will keep falling, that wages are forecast unemployment will keep falling, that wages are forecast to unemployment will keep falling, that wages are forecast to rise, unemployment will keep falling, that wages are forecast to rise, that wages are forecast to rise, that business wages are forecast to rise, that business investment wages are forecast to rise, that business investment is wages are forecast to rise, that business investment is forecast wages are forecast to rise, that business investment is forecast to business investment is forecast to continue business investment is forecast to continue to business investment is forecast to continue to grow business investment is forecast to continue to grow at business investment is forecast to continue to grow at nearly business investment is forecast to continue to grow at nearly 5%. business investment is forecast to continue to grow at nearly 5%. 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Mr resuscitate dying business confidence? Mr Speaker, resuscitate dying business confidence? Mr Speaker, I resuscitate dying business confidence? Mr Speaker, I reject resuscitate dying business confidence? Mr Speaker, I reject the confidence? Mr Speaker, I reject the member's confidence? Mr Speaker, I reject the member's characterisation confidence? Mr Speaker, I reject the member's characterisation at confidence? Mr Speaker, I reject the member's characterisation at the member's characterisation at the end, member's characterisation at the end, but member's characterisation at the end, but I'm member's characterisation at the end, but I'm happy member's characterisation at the end, but I'm happy to member's characterisation at the end, but I'm happy to talk member's characterisation at the end, but I'm happy to talk about member's characterisation at the end, but I'm happy to talk about the end, but I'm happy to talk about the Government's end, but I'm happy to talk about the Government's plans end, but I'm happy to talk about the Government's plans and end, but I'm happy to talk about the Government's plans and actions. end, but I'm happy to talk about the Government's plans and actions. I Government's plans and actions. I would Government's plans and actions. I would note, Government's plans and actions. I would note, as Government's plans and actions. I would note, as I Government's plans and actions. I would note, as I have Government's plans and actions. I would note, as I have at Government's plans and actions. I would note, as I have at the Government's plans and actions. I would note, as I have at the outset, would note, as I have at the outset, that would note, as I have at the outset, that the would note, as I have at the outset, that the respondents would note, as I have at the outset, that the respondents said would note, as I have at the outset, that the respondents said their that the respondents said their biggest that the respondents said their biggest certain that the respondents said their biggest certain in that the respondents said their biggest certain in the that the respondents said their biggest certain in the survey that the respondents said their biggest certain in the survey was biggest certain in the survey was finding biggest certain in the survey was finding skilled biggest certain in the survey was finding skilled staff biggest certain in the survey was finding skilled staff in biggest certain in the survey was finding skilled staff in the biggest certain in the survey was finding skilled staff in the ANZ finding skilled staff in the ANZ survey. finding skilled staff in the ANZ survey. That finding skilled staff in the ANZ survey. That did finding skilled staff in the ANZ survey. That did not finding skilled staff in the ANZ survey. That did not happen survey. That did not happen overnight, survey. That did not happen overnight, it survey. That did not happen overnight, it took survey. That did not happen overnight, it took years survey. That did not happen overnight, it took years of survey. That did not happen overnight, it took years of inaction overnight, it took years of inaction for overnight, it took years of inaction for New overnight, it took years of inaction for New Zealand overnight, it took years of inaction for New Zealand skills overnight, it took years of inaction for New Zealand skills deficits overnight, it took years of inaction for New Zealand skills deficits to for New Zealand skills deficits to appear. for New Zealand skills deficits to appear. We're for New Zealand skills deficits to appear. We're dedicated for New Zealand skills deficits to appear. We're dedicated to for New Zealand skills deficits to appear. We're dedicated to closing appear. We're dedicated to closing the appear. We're dedicated to closing the deficits appear. We're dedicated to closing the deficits we appear. We're dedicated to closing the deficits we inherited appear. We're dedicated to closing the deficits we inherited and appear. We're dedicated to closing the deficits we inherited and I appear. We're dedicated to closing the deficits we inherited and I want the deficits we inherited and I want to the deficits we inherited and I want to congratulate the deficits we inherited and I want to congratulate Iain the deficits we inherited and I want to congratulate Iain Lees-Galloway to congratulate Iain Lees-Galloway who to congratulate Iain Lees-Galloway who yesterday to congratulate Iain Lees-Galloway who yesterday announced to congratulate Iain Lees-Galloway who yesterday announced the who yesterday announced the KiwiBuild who yesterday announced the KiwiBuild shortage who yesterday announced the KiwiBuild shortage list. who yesterday announced the KiwiBuild shortage list. The KiwiBuild shortage list. The Government KiwiBuild shortage list. The Government is KiwiBuild shortage list. The Government is prioritising KiwiBuild shortage list. The Government is prioritising trades Government is prioritising trades training Government is prioritising trades training and Government is prioritising trades training and apprenticeships Government is prioritising trades training and apprenticeships with training and apprenticeships with our training and apprenticeships with our fees-free training and apprenticeships with our fees-free policy. training and apprenticeships with our fees-free policy. Today training and apprenticeships with our fees-free policy. Today we're our fees-free policy. Today we're announcing our fees-free policy. Today we're announcing a our fees-free policy. Today we're announcing a record our fees-free policy. Today we're announcing a record 10-year announcing a record 10-year investment announcing a record 10-year investment strategy announcing a record 10-year investment strategy for announcing a record 10-year investment strategy for our investment strategy for our nationwide investment strategy for our nationwide transport investment strategy for our nationwide transport infrastructure, nationwide transport infrastructure, fully nationwide transport infrastructure, fully funded, nationwide transport infrastructure, fully funded, to nationwide transport infrastructure, fully funded, to give nationwide transport infrastructure, fully funded, to give the fully funded, to give the construction fully funded, to give the construction sector fully funded, to give the construction sector certainty fully funded, to give the construction sector certainty about construction sector certainty about the construction sector certainty about the long-terrible construction sector certainty about the long-terrible commitment construction sector certainty about the long-terrible commitment to the long-terrible commitment to using the long-terrible commitment to using transport the long-terrible commitment to using transport policy the long-terrible commitment to using transport policy as the long-terrible commitment to using transport policy as a the long-terrible commitment to using transport policy as a key using transport policy as a key component using transport policy as a key component of using transport policy as a key component of our using transport policy as a key component of our economic using transport policy as a key component of our economic plan. using transport policy as a key component of our economic plan. We component of our economic plan. We delivered component of our economic plan. We delivered a component of our economic plan. We delivered a fiscally-responsible delivered a fiscally-responsible budget delivered a fiscally-responsible budget and delivered a fiscally-responsible budget and a delivered a fiscally-responsible budget and a healthy delivered a fiscally-responsible budget and a healthy surplus, budget and a healthy surplus, setting budget and a healthy surplus, setting aside budget and a healthy surplus, setting aside money budget and a healthy surplus, setting aside money for budget and a healthy surplus, setting aside money for a budget and a healthy surplus, setting aside money for a rainy budget and a healthy surplus, setting aside money for a rainy day. setting aside money for a rainy day. That's setting aside money for a rainy day. That's enough, setting aside money for a rainy day. That's enough, thank setting aside money for a rainy day. That's enough, thank you. setting aside money for a rainy day. That's enough, thank you. Does setting aside money for a rainy day. That's enough, thank you. Does he That's enough, thank you. Does he not That's enough, thank you. Does he not consider That's enough, thank you. Does he not consider that That's enough, thank you. Does he not consider that uncertainty That's enough, thank you. 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That is why this government is prioritising this government is prioritising trades this government is prioritising trades to this government is prioritising trades to training this government is prioritising trades to training and trades to training and apprenticeships trades to training and apprenticeships with trades to training and apprenticeships with the trades to training and apprenticeships with the fees-free apprenticeships with the fees-free policy. apprenticeships with the fees-free policy. I apprenticeships with the fees-free policy. I congratulate apprenticeships with the fees-free policy. I congratulate the apprenticeships with the fees-free policy. I congratulate the member apprenticeships with the fees-free policy. I congratulate the member on policy. I congratulate the member on his policy. I congratulate the member on his own policy. I congratulate the member on his own initiatives policy. I congratulate the member on his own initiatives in policy. 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Question No. 6. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 6. <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, Question No. 6. <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, No. Question No. 6. <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, No. 5. Question Question No. Question No. 6. Question No. 6. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 6. <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, Question No. 6. <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, No. Question No. 6. <INTERRUPTION> Sorry, No. 5. 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Did he ever discuss with, receive a briefing discuss with, receive a briefing from, discuss with, receive a briefing from, or discuss with, receive a briefing from, or seek discuss with, receive a briefing from, or seek advice discuss with, receive a briefing from, or seek advice from discuss with, receive a briefing from, or seek advice from Stephen from, or seek advice from Stephen McKernan from, or seek advice from Stephen McKernan when from, or seek advice from Stephen McKernan when he from, or seek advice from Stephen McKernan when he was from, or seek advice from Stephen McKernan when he was considering from, or seek advice from Stephen McKernan when he was considering the McKernan when he was considering the removal McKernan when he was considering the removal of McKernan when he was considering the removal of the McKernan when he was considering the removal of the former McKernan when he was considering the removal of the former Counties removal of the former Counties removal of the former Counties removal of the former Counties Manukau chairman removal of the former Counties Manukau chairman Rabin removal of the former Counties Manukau chairman Rabin Rabindran removal of the former Counties Manukau chairman Rabin Rabindran and Manukau chairman Rabin Rabindran and Manukau Manukau chairman Rabin Rabindran and the board's audit, Manukau chairman Rabin Rabindran and the board's audit, finance Manukau chairman Rabin Rabindran and the board's audit, finance and Manukau chairman Rabin Rabindran and the board's audit, finance and risk the board's audit, finance and risk committee the board's audit, finance and risk committee chairman the board's audit, finance and risk committee chairman Mark the board's audit, finance and risk committee chairman Mark Darrow? the board's audit, finance and risk committee chairman Mark Darrow? Mr committee chairman Mark Darrow? Mr McKernan, committee chairman Mark Darrow? Mr McKernan, I committee chairman Mark Darrow? Mr McKernan, I think, committee chairman Mark Darrow? Mr McKernan, I think, has committee chairman Mark Darrow? Mr McKernan, I think, has mentioned committee chairman Mark Darrow? Mr McKernan, I think, has mentioned the McKernan, I think, has mentioned the BT McKernan, I think, has mentioned the BT Varie McKernan, I think, has mentioned the BT Varie report McKernan, I think, has mentioned the BT Varie report to McKernan, I think, has mentioned the BT Varie report to me McKernan, I think, has mentioned the BT Varie report to me at McKernan, I think, has mentioned the BT Varie report to me at some McKernan, I think, has mentioned the BT Varie report to me at some stage BT Varie report to me at some stage over BT Varie report to me at some stage over the BT Varie report to me at some stage over the last BT Varie report to me at some stage over the last period. 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It will be no surprise, I don't think, to the surprise, I don't think, to the House surprise, I don't think, to the House that surprise, I don't think, to the House that I surprise, I don't think, to the House that I have surprise, I don't think, to the House that I have had surprise, I don't think, to the House that I have had plenty surprise, I don't think, to the House that I have had plenty of House that I have had plenty of conversations House that I have had plenty of conversations around House that I have had plenty of conversations around Counties conversations around Counties Manukau conversations around Counties conversations conversations around Counties Manukau during my conversations around Counties Manukau during my time conversations around Counties Manukau during my time as conversations around Counties Manukau during my time as Health Manukau during my time as Health Minister Manukau during my time as Health Minister but Manukau during my time as Health Minister but the Manukau during my time as Health Minister but the removal Manukau during my time as Health Minister but the removal of Manukau during my time as Health Minister but the removal of those Minister but the removal of those board Minister but the removal of those board members Minister but the removal of those board members - Minister but the removal of those board members - or Minister but the removal of those board members - or my Minister but the removal of those board members - or my decision Minister but the removal of those board members - or my decision to board members - or my decision to refresh board members - or my decision to refresh the board members - or my decision to refresh the leadership board members - or my decision to refresh the leadership at board members - or my decision to refresh the leadership at Counties refresh the leadership at Counties Manukau refresh the leadership at Counties Manukau had refresh the leadership at Counties Manukau had absolutely refresh the leadership at Counties Manukau had absolutely no refresh the leadership at Counties Manukau had absolutely no connection Manukau had absolutely no connection to Manukau had absolutely no connection Manukau Manukau had absolutely no connection to that audit Manukau had absolutely no connection to that audit investigation Manukau had absolutely no connection to that audit investigation that Manukau had absolutely no connection to that audit investigation that was to that audit investigation that was to that audit investigation that was to that audit investigation that was going on. to that audit investigation that was going on. Supplementary. to that audit investigation that was going on. Supplementary. Will to that audit investigation that was going on. Supplementary. Will he, to that audit investigation that was going on. Supplementary. Will he, in going on. Supplementary. Will he, in light going on. Supplementary. Will he, in light of going on. Supplementary. Will he, in light of the going on. Supplementary. Will he, in light of the State going on. Supplementary. Will he, in light of the State Services light of the State Services Commissioner's light of the State Services Commissioner's decision light of the State Services Commissioner's decision to light of the State Services Commissioner's decision to urgently Commissioner's decision to urgently investigate Commissioner's decision to urgently investigate the Commissioner's decision to urgently investigate the matters Commissioner's decision to urgently investigate the matters I Commissioner's decision to urgently investigate the matters I raised investigate the matters I raised yesterday investigate the matters I raised yesterday in investigate the matters I raised yesterday in this investigate the matters I raised yesterday in this House, investigate the matters I raised yesterday in this House, will investigate the matters I raised yesterday in this House, will he yesterday in this House, will he also yesterday in this House, will he also ask yesterday in this House, will he also ask the yesterday in this House, will he also ask the Auditor-General yesterday in this House, will he also ask the Auditor-General to also ask the Auditor-General to review also ask the Auditor-General to review his also ask the Auditor-General to review his decision-making also ask the Auditor-General to review his decision-making process review his decision-making process in review his decision-making process in removing review his decision-making process in removing Rabin review his decision-making process in removing Rabin Rabindran review his decision-making process in removing Rabin Rabindran and review his decision-making process in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the DHB? in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the DHB? -- in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the DHB? -- Mark in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the DHB? -- Mark Darrow Darrow from the DHB? -- Mark Darrow from Darrow from the DHB? -- Mark Darrow from the Darrow from the DHB? -- Mark Darrow from the DHB? Darrow from the DHB? -- Mark Darrow from the DHB? Could Darrow from the DHB? -- Mark Darrow from the DHB? Could the Darrow from the DHB? -- Mark Darrow from the DHB? Could the minister from the DHB? Could the minister repeat from the DHB? Could the minister repeat that from the DHB? Could the minister repeat that question. from the DHB? Could the minister repeat that question. Will from the DHB? Could the minister repeat that question. Will he, from the DHB? Could the minister repeat that question. Will he, in repeat that question. Will he, in light repeat that question. Will he, in light of repeat that question. Will he, in light of the repeat that question. Will he, in light of the State repeat that question. Will he, in light of the State Services light of the State Services Commissioner's light of the State Services Commissioner's question light of the State Services Commissioner's question to light of the State Services Commissioner's question to urgently Commissioner's question to urgently investigation Commissioner's question to urgently investigation the Commissioner's question to urgently investigation the matters Commissioner's question to urgently investigation the matters I Commissioner's question to urgently investigation the matters I raised investigation the matters I raised yesterday investigation the matters I raised yesterday in investigation the matters I raised yesterday in this investigation the matters I raised yesterday in this House, investigation the matters I raised yesterday in this House, will investigation the matters I raised yesterday in this House, will he investigation the matters I raised yesterday in this House, will he ask yesterday in this House, will he ask the yesterday in this House, will he ask the Auditor-General yesterday in this House, will he ask the Auditor-General to yesterday in this House, will he ask the Auditor-General to investigate the Auditor-General to investigate the Auditor-General to investigate the Auditor-General to investigate his decision the Auditor-General to investigate his decision making the Auditor-General to investigate his decision making process the Auditor-General to investigate his decision making process in his decision making process in removing his decision making process in removing Rabin his decision making process in removing Rabin Rabindran his decision making process in removing Rabin Rabindran and his decision making process in removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the DHB. removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the DHB. No, removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the DHB. No, the removing Rabin Rabindran and Mark Darrow from the DHB. No, the two Darrow from the DHB. No, the two matters Darrow from the DHB. No, the two matters are Darrow from the DHB. No, the two matters are not Darrow from the DHB. No, the two matters are not connected. Darrow from the DHB. No, the two matters are not connected. Question matters are not connected. Question No. matters are not connected. Question matters matters matters are matters are not matters are not connected. matters are not connected. Question matters are not connected. Question No. matters are not connected. Question No. 6. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: What Housing and Urban Development: What steps Housing and Urban Development: What steps will Housing and Urban Development: What steps will he Housing and Urban Development: What steps will he take Housing and Urban Development: What steps will he take to Housing and Urban Development: What steps will he take to promote steps will he take to promote sustainable steps will he take to promote sustainable urban steps will he take to promote sustainable urban design steps will he take to promote sustainable urban design and sustainable urban design and energy-efficient sustainable urban design and energy-efficient buildings sustainable urban design and energy-efficient buildings within energy-efficient buildings within the energy-efficient buildings within the Unitec energy-efficient buildings within the Unitec KiwiBuild energy-efficient buildings within the Unitec KiwiBuild redevelopment? An An behalf An behalf of An behalf of the An behalf of the Minister An behalf of the Minister of An behalf of the Minister of Housing An behalf of the Minister of Housing and An behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban An behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, An behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, planning An behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, planning for and Urban Development, planning for and Urban Development, planning for and Urban Development, planning for Uni Tech and Urban Development, planning for Uni Tech development and Urban Development, planning for Uni Tech development is and Urban Development, planning for Uni Tech development is in and Urban Development, planning for Uni Tech development is in its and Urban Development, planning for Uni Tech development is in its early Uni Tech development is in its early stakes. Uni Tech development is in its early stakes. As Uni Tech development is in its early stakes. As part Uni Tech development is in its early stakes. As part of Uni Tech development is in its early stakes. As part of KiwiBuild, Uni Tech development is in its early stakes. As part of KiwiBuild, the stakes. As part of KiwiBuild, the Government's stakes. As part of KiwiBuild, the Government's wider stakes. As part of KiwiBuild, the Government's wider Housing Government's wider Housing programme, Government's wider Housing programme, we Government's wider Housing programme, we are Government's wider Housing programme, we are looking Government's wider Housing programme, we are looking at Government's wider Housing programme, we are looking at ways Government's wider Housing programme, we are looking at ways to programme, we are looking at ways to improve programme, we are looking at ways to improve design programme, we are looking at ways to improve design standards programme, we are looking at ways to improve design standards and programme, we are looking at ways to improve design standards and that improve design standards and that improve design standards and that improve design standards and that work is improve design standards and that work is ongoing. improve design standards and that work is ongoing. The improve design standards and that work is ongoing. The Government work is ongoing. The Government wants work is ongoing. The Government wants to work is ongoing. The Government wants to use work is ongoing. The Government wants to use the work is ongoing. The Government wants to use the scale work is ongoing. The Government wants to use the scale of work is ongoing. The Government wants to use the scale of KiwiBuild wants to use the scale of KiwiBuild to wants to use the scale of KiwiBuild to drive wants to use the scale of KiwiBuild to drive a wants to use the scale of KiwiBuild to drive a step wants to use the scale of KiwiBuild to drive a step change wants to use the scale of KiwiBuild to drive a step change in wants to use the scale of KiwiBuild to drive a step change in both to drive a step change in both affordability to drive a step change in both affordability and to drive a step change in both affordability and in to drive a step change in both affordability and in the to drive a step change in both affordability and in the quality to drive a step change in both affordability and in the quality of affordability and in the quality of our affordability and in the quality of our homes. affordability and in the quality of our homes. Will affordability and in the quality of our homes. Will the affordability and in the quality of our homes. Will the minister affordability and in the quality of our homes. Will the minister commit our homes. Will the minister commit to our homes. Will the minister commit to ensuring our homes. Will the minister commit to ensuring KiwiBuild our homes. Will the minister commit to ensuring KiwiBuild homes our homes. Will the minister commit to ensuring KiwiBuild homes within to ensuring KiwiBuild homes within the to ensuring KiwiBuild homes within the Unitec to ensuring KiwiBuild homes within the Unitec development to ensuring KiwiBuild homes within the Unitec development are to ensuring KiwiBuild homes within the Unitec development are built to ensuring KiwiBuild homes within the Unitec development are built to the Unitec development are built to the Unitec development are built to the Unitec development are built to higher energy the Unitec development are built to higher energy efficiency the Unitec development are built to higher energy efficiency standards higher energy efficiency standards that higher energy efficiency standards that are higher energy efficiency standards that are required higher energy efficiency standards that are required under higher energy efficiency standards that are required under the higher energy efficiency standards that are required under the building that are required under the building code? that are required under the building code? On that are required under the building code? On behalf that are required under the building code? On behalf of that are required under the building code? On behalf of the that are required under the building code? On behalf of the Minister that are required under the building code? On behalf of the Minister of code? On behalf of the Minister of Housing code? On behalf of the Minister of Housing and code? On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban code? On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, code? On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, we Housing and Urban Development, we would Housing and Urban Development, we would like Housing and Urban Development, we would like quality Housing and Urban Development, we would like quality built would like quality built environments would like quality built environments that would like quality built environments that deliver would like quality built environments that deliver urban environments that deliver urban forms environments that deliver urban forms that environments that deliver urban forms that are environments that deliver urban forms that are more environments that deliver urban forms that are more energy forms that are more energy efficient, forms that are more energy efficient, that forms that are more energy efficient, that mitigate forms that are more energy efficient, that mitigate negative efficient, that mitigate negative impacts efficient, that mitigate negative impacts on efficient, that mitigate negative impacts on the efficient, that mitigate negative impacts on the environment, efficient, that mitigate negative impacts on the environment, that impacts on the environment, that support impacts on the environment, that support a impacts on the environment, that support a variety impacts on the environment, that support a variety of impacts on the environment, that support a variety of low impacts on the environment, that support a variety of low emissions support a variety of low emissions transport support a variety of low emissions transport modes support a variety of low emissions transport modes and support a variety of low emissions transport modes and environments transport modes and environments that transport modes and environments that are transport modes and environments that are accessible transport modes and environments that are accessible to transport modes and environments that are accessible to all transport modes and environments that are accessible to all and transport modes and environments that are accessible to all and in that are accessible to all and in addition, that are accessible to all and in addition, to that are accessible to all and in addition, to provide that are accessible to all and in addition, to provide communities addition, to provide communities with addition, to provide communities with access addition, to provide communities with access to addition, to provide communities with access to jobs, addition, to provide communities with access to jobs, services addition, to provide communities with access to jobs, services and with access to jobs, services and amenities. with access to jobs, services and amenities. The with access to jobs, services and amenities. The planning with access to jobs, services and amenities. The planning for with access to jobs, services and amenities. The planning for Unitec amenities. The planning for Unitec development amenities. The planning for Unitec development and amenities. The planning for Unitec development and KiwiBuild amenities. The planning for Unitec development and KiwiBuild will development and KiwiBuild will realise development and KiwiBuild will realise that development and KiwiBuild will realise that vision development and KiwiBuild will realise that vision of development and KiwiBuild will realise that vision of sustainable realise that vision of sustainable urban realise that vision of sustainable urban design. realise that vision of sustainable urban design. Will realise that vision of sustainable urban design. Will the realise that vision of sustainable urban design. Will the minister urban design. Will the minister commit urban design. Will the minister commit to urban design. Will the minister commit to using urban design. Will the minister commit to using the urban design. Will the minister commit to using the independent urban design. Will the minister commit to using the independent home commit to using the independent home commit to using the independent home commit to using the independent home star rating commit to using the independent home star rating system commit to using the independent home star rating system and commit to using the independent home star rating system and ensure commit to using the independent home star rating system and ensure all star rating system and ensure all homes star rating system and ensure all homes within star rating system and ensure all homes within this star rating system and ensure all homes within this redevelopment star rating system and ensure all homes within this redevelopment are homes within this redevelopment are rated homes within this redevelopment are rated at homes within this redevelopment are rated at 6 homes within this redevelopment are rated at 6 or homes within this redevelopment are rated at 6 or above? homes within this redevelopment are rated at 6 or above? Mr homes within this redevelopment are rated at 6 or above? Mr Speaker, homes within this redevelopment are rated at 6 or above? Mr Speaker, on rated at 6 or above? Mr Speaker, on behalf rated at 6 or above? Mr Speaker, on behalf of rated at 6 or above? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the rated at 6 or above? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister rated at 6 or above? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of rated at 6 or above? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Housing behalf of the Minister of Housing and behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, can behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, can I behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, can I say and Urban Development, can I say and Urban Development, can I say and Urban Development, can I say that that and Urban Development, can I say that that particular and Urban Development, can I say that that particular question and Urban Development, can I say that that particular question is and Urban Development, can I say that that particular question is out that that particular question is out of that that particular question is out of order that that particular question is out of order because that that particular question is out of order because that that that particular question is out of order because that is that that particular question is out of order because that is under of order because that is under minister of order because that is under minister of of order because that is under minister of building of order because that is under minister of building and minister of building and construction. minister of building and construction. No. minister of building and construction. No. The minister of building and construction. No. The minister minister of building and construction. No. The minister will construction. No. The minister will answer construction. No. The minister will answer the construction. No. The minister will answer the question. construction. No. The minister will answer the question. The construction. No. The minister will answer the question. The minister construction. No. The minister will answer the question. The minister is answer the question. The minister is responsible answer the question. The minister is responsible for answer the question. The minister is responsible for building answer the question. The minister is responsible for building or answer the question. The minister is responsible for building or for answer the question. The minister is responsible for building or for the responsible for building or for the requirements responsible for building or for the requirements around responsible for building or for the requirements around the responsible for building or for the requirements around the Unitec requirements around the Unitec requirements around the Unitec requirements around the Unitec building. He requirements around the Unitec building. He has requirements around the Unitec building. He has shown requirements around the Unitec building. He has shown publicly requirements around the Unitec building. He has shown publicly that building. He has shown publicly that he building. He has shown publicly that he has building. He has shown publicly that he has taken building. He has shown publicly that he has taken responsibility building. He has shown publicly that he has taken responsibility for building. He has shown publicly that he has taken responsibility for that he has taken responsibility for that development he has taken responsibility for that development and he has taken responsibility for that development and therefore he has taken responsibility for that development and therefore it he has taken responsibility for that development and therefore it is he has taken responsibility for that development and therefore it is a development and therefore it is a valid development and therefore it is a valid question. development and therefore it is a valid question. Mr development and therefore it is a valid question. Mr Speaker, development and therefore it is a valid question. Mr Speaker, on valid question. Mr Speaker, on behalf valid question. Mr Speaker, on behalf of valid question. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the valid question. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister valid question. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of valid question. Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Housing behalf of the Minister of Housing behalf of the Minister of Housing behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, part behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, part of behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, part of the and Urban Development, part of the and Urban Development, part of the and Urban Development, part of the work that and Urban Development, part of the work that is and Urban Development, part of the work that is currently and Urban Development, part of the work that is currently being and Urban Development, part of the work that is currently being done and Urban Development, part of the work that is currently being done by work that is currently being done by this work that is currently being done by this Government work that is currently being done by this Government is work that is currently being done by this Government is to work that is currently being done by this Government is to look work that is currently being done by this Government is to look at work that is currently being done by this Government is to look at all this Government is to look at all things, this Government is to look at all things, including this Government is to look at all things, including building this Government is to look at all things, including building designs things, including building designs things, including building designs things, including building designs and Home things, including building designs and Home Star things, including building designs and Home Star is things, including building designs and Home Star is not things, including building designs and Home Star is not something things, including building designs and Home Star is not something that and Home Star is not something that this and Home Star is not something that this Government and Home Star is not something that this Government has and Home Star is not something that this Government has actually this Government has actually committed this Government has actually committed to this Government has actually committed to building this Government has actually committed to building buildings this Government has actually committed to building buildings to committed to building buildings to right committed to building buildings to right now committed to building buildings to right now but committed to building buildings to right now but we committed to building buildings to right now but we are committed to building buildings to right now but we are considering committed to building buildings to right now but we are considering all right now but we are considering all options. right now but we are considering all options. 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Can he give an assurance that preventable deaths won't occur that preventable deaths won't occur that preventable deaths won't occur that preventable deaths won't occur as a that preventable deaths won't occur as a result that preventable deaths won't occur as a result of that preventable deaths won't occur as a result of these that preventable deaths won't occur as a result of these complex as a result of these complex surgeries as a result of these complex surgeries being as a result of these complex surgeries being delayed? as a result of these complex surgeries being delayed? I as a result of these complex surgeries being delayed? I am surgeries being delayed? I am surgeries being delayed? I am surgeries being delayed? I am advised that surgeries being delayed? I am advised that each surgeries being delayed? I am advised that each of surgeries being delayed? I am advised that each of the surgeries being delayed? I am advised that each of the 20 surgeries being delayed? 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Question No. Government's goal of reducing child poverty. Question No. 12. 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