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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. Petitions Petitions have Petitions have been Petitions have been delivered Petitions have been delivered to Petitions have been delivered to the Petitions have been delivered to the Clerk Petitions have been delivered to the Clerk for Petitions have been delivered to the Clerk for presentation. to the Clerk for presentation. Petition to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of Matthew to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of Matthew Cooper to the Clerk for presentation. Petition of Matthew Cooper for Petition of Matthew Cooper for Sport Petition of Matthew Cooper for Sport Waikato Petition of Matthew Cooper for Sport Waikato requesting Petition of Matthew Cooper for Sport Waikato requesting that Petition of Matthew Cooper for Sport Waikato requesting that the Sport Waikato requesting that the House Sport Waikato requesting that the House amend Sport Waikato requesting that the House amend the Sport Waikato requesting that the House amend the definition Sport Waikato requesting that the House amend the definition of House amend the definition of volunteer House amend the definition of volunteer association House amend the definition of volunteer association in House amend the definition of volunteer association in the volunteer association in the Health volunteer association in the Health and volunteer association in the Health and Safety volunteer association in the Health and Safety at volunteer association in the Health and Safety at Work volunteer association in the Health and Safety at Work Act volunteer association in the Health and Safety at Work Act 2015. 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Petition of Janice Campbell Petition of Janice Campbell for Petition of Janice Campbell for the Petition of Janice Campbell for the Government Petition of Janice Campbell for the Government Superannuation for the Government Superannuation Association for the Government Superannuation Association and for the Government Superannuation Association and 3,783 for the Government Superannuation Association and 3,783 others Association and 3,783 others requesting Association and 3,783 others requesting that Association and 3,783 others requesting that the Association and 3,783 others requesting that the House Association and 3,783 others requesting that the House pass requesting that the House pass legislation requesting that the House pass legislation amending requesting that the House pass legislation amending the requesting that the House pass legislation amending the Government legislation amending the Government Superannuation legislation amending the Government Superannuation Fund legislation amending the Government Superannuation Fund Act legislation amending the Government Superannuation Fund Act 1956. Superannuation Fund Act 1956. Those Superannuation Fund Act 1956. Those petitions Superannuation Fund Act 1956. Those petitions stand Superannuation Fund Act 1956. Those petitions stand referred Those petitions stand referred to Those petitions stand referred to a Those petitions stand referred to a select Those petitions stand referred to a select committee to a select committee allocated to a select committee allocated by to a select committee allocated by the to a select committee allocated by the Clerk. Ministers Ministers have Ministers have delivered Ministers have delivered papers. Ministers have delivered papers. Statement Ministers have delivered papers. Statement of Ministers have delivered papers. Statement of Intent: Statement of Intent: Institute Statement of Intent: Institute of Statement of Intent: Institute of Environmental Statement of Intent: Institute of Environmental Science Institute of Environmental Science and Institute of Environmental Science and Research Institute of Environmental Science and Research - Institute of Environmental Science and Research - 2018-2023. and Research - 2018-2023. National and Research - 2018-2023. National Institute and Research - 2018-2023. National Institute of and Research - 2018-2023. National Institute of Water and Research - 2018-2023. National Institute of Water and National Institute of Water and Atmospheric National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research - National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research - 2018-2019. Atmospheric Research - 2018-2019. Plant Atmospheric Research - 2018-2019. Plant and Atmospheric Research - 2018-2019. Plant and Food Atmospheric Research - 2018-2019. Plant and Food Research Atmospheric Research - 2018-2019. Plant and Food Research - Atmospheric Research - 2018-2019. Plant and Food Research - 2018-2023. Plant and Food Research - 2018-2023. Callaghan Plant and Food Research - 2018-2023. Callaghan Innovation Plant and Food Research - 2018-2023. Callaghan Innovation - Plant and Food Research - 2018-2023. Callaghan Innovation - 2018-2022. Callaghan Innovation - 2018-2022. Department Callaghan Innovation - 2018-2022. Department of Callaghan Innovation - 2018-2022. Department of Corrections Callaghan Innovation - 2018-2022. Department of Corrections - Department of Corrections - 2018-2022. 2018-2022. Statement 2018-2022. Statement of 2018-2022. Statement of Performance Statement of Performance Expectations Statement of Performance Expectations from Statement of Performance Expectations from 1 Statement of Performance Expectations from 1 July Statement of Performance Expectations from 1 July 2018 Statement of Performance Expectations from 1 July 2018 - Expectations from 1 July 2018 - 30 Expectations from 1 July 2018 - 30 June Expectations from 1 July 2018 - 30 June 2019: 30 June 2019: Callaghan 30 June 2019: Callaghan Innovation. Callaghan Innovation. Maori Callaghan Innovation. Maori Language Callaghan Innovation. Maori Language Commission. Maori Language Commission. Those Maori Language Commission. Those papers Maori Language Commission. Those papers are Maori Language Commission. Those papers are published Those papers are published under Those papers are published under the Those papers are published under the authority Those papers are published under the authority of Those papers are published under the authority of the Those papers are published under the authority of the House. Select Select Committee Select Committee Reports Select Committee Reports have Select Committee Reports have been Select Committee Reports have been delivered Select Committee Reports have been delivered for Select Committee Reports have been delivered for presentation. been delivered for presentation. Report been delivered for presentation. Report of been delivered for presentation. Report of the been delivered for presentation. Report of the Finance been delivered for presentation. Report of the Finance and Report of the Finance and Expenditure Report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee Report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on Report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the Expenditure Committee on the the Expenditure Committee on the the 2018/19 Expenditure Committee on the the 2018/19 Estimates Expenditure Committee on the the 2018/19 Estimates for Expenditure Committee on the the 2018/19 Estimates for Vote the 2018/19 Estimates for Vote Revenue. Revenue. Report Revenue. Report of Revenue. Report of the Revenue. Report of the Foreign Revenue. 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Did any ministers declare that crime pays for the owner. Did any ministers declare any Did any ministers declare any conflict Did any ministers declare any conflict of Did any ministers declare any conflict of interest Did any ministers declare any conflict of interest in Did any ministers declare any conflict of interest in relation Did any ministers declare any conflict of interest in relation to conflict of interest in relation to the conflict of interest in relation to the appointment conflict of interest in relation to the appointment of conflict of interest in relation to the appointment of the conflict of interest in relation to the appointment of the Deputy the appointment of the Deputy Commissioner the appointment of the Deputy Commissioner of the appointment of the Deputy Commissioner of Police? Commissioner of Police? Mr Commissioner of Police? Mr Speaker, Commissioner of Police? Mr Speaker, no. Commissioner of Police? Mr Speaker, no. That's Commissioner of Police? 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That's because no conflict of interest exists and more conflict of interest exists and more particularly, conflict of interest exists and more particularly, the conflict of interest exists and more particularly, the Cabinet conflict of interest exists and more particularly, the Cabinet office conflict of interest exists and more particularly, the Cabinet office has particularly, the Cabinet office has investigated particularly, the Cabinet office has investigated this particularly, the Cabinet office has investigated this matter particularly, the Cabinet office has investigated this matter and particularly, the Cabinet office has investigated this matter and that particularly, the Cabinet office has investigated this matter and that is investigated this matter and that is their investigated this matter and that is their finding investigated this matter and that is their finding as investigated this matter and that is their finding as well. their finding as well. 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On this side of the House, we are more than happy to House, we are more than happy to stand House, we are more than happy to stand on House, we are more than happy to stand on a House, we are more than happy to stand on a record House, we are more than happy to stand on a record of House, we are more than happy to stand on a record of redirecting House, we are more than happy to stand on a record of redirecting the stand on a record of redirecting the majority stand on a record of redirecting the majority of stand on a record of redirecting the majority of that stand on a record of redirecting the majority of that money stand on a record of redirecting the majority of that money to stand on a record of redirecting the majority of that money to families majority of that money to families with majority of that money to families with children majority of that money to families with children who majority of that money to families with children who have majority of that money to families with children who have missed majority of that money to families with children who have missed out with children who have missed out over with children who have missed out over the with children who have missed out over the nine with children who have missed out over the nine years with children who have missed out over the nine years of with children who have missed out over the nine years of her over the nine years of her government. over the nine years of her government. 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Does the Government have any plans to the Government have any plans to make the Government have any plans to make Working the Government have any plans to make Working for the Government have any plans to make Working for Families the Government have any plans to make Working for Families universal make Working for Families universal at make Working for Families universal at one make Working for Families universal at one rate make Working for Families universal at one rate for make Working for Families universal at one rate for every make Working for Families universal at one rate for every household? make Working for Families universal at one rate for every household? Mr at one rate for every household? Mr Speaker, at one rate for every household? Mr Speaker, no at one rate for every household? Mr Speaker, no and at one rate for every household? Mr Speaker, no and if at one rate for every household? Mr Speaker, no and if the at one rate for every household? Mr Speaker, no and if the member Speaker, no and if the member suggests Speaker, no and if the member suggests that Speaker, no and if the member suggests that all Speaker, no and if the member suggests that all payments Speaker, no and if the member suggests that all payments should Speaker, no and if the member suggests that all payments should be suggests that all payments should be universal, suggests that all payments should be universal, that suggests that all payments should be universal, that would suggests that all payments should be universal, that would make suggests that all payments should be universal, that would make a universal, that would make a remarkable universal, that would make a remarkable transition universal, that would make a remarkable transition for universal, that would make a remarkable transition for the universal, that would make a remarkable transition for the ACT remarkable transition for the ACT Party. 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If so, why is the winter Energy Payment universal? aren't? If so, why is the winter Energy Payment universal? Mr Energy Payment universal? Mr Speaker, Energy Payment universal? Mr Speaker, it Energy Payment universal? Mr Speaker, it is Energy Payment universal? Mr Speaker, it is universal Energy Payment universal? Mr Speaker, it is universal for Energy Payment universal? Mr Speaker, it is universal for people Speaker, it is universal for people on Speaker, it is universal for people on superannuation Speaker, it is universal for people on superannuation and Speaker, it is universal for people on superannuation and main on superannuation and main beneficiary on superannuation and main beneficiary recipients. on superannuation and main beneficiary recipients. He on superannuation and main beneficiary recipients. He doesn't beneficiary recipients. He doesn't get beneficiary recipients. He doesn't get it beneficiary recipients. He doesn't get it and beneficiary recipients. He doesn't get it and therefore beneficiary recipients. He doesn't get it and therefore it's beneficiary recipients. He doesn't get it and therefore it's not get it and therefore it's not universal get it and therefore it's not universal overall. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all of My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all of his Finance: Does he stand by all of his statements, Finance: Does he stand by all of his statements, policies, Finance: Does he stand by all of his statements, policies, and Finance: Does he stand by all of his statements, policies, and actions? 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Will he pay more attention to the Will he pay more attention to the latest Will he pay more attention to the latest NZIER Will he pay more attention to the latest NZIER quarterly Will he pay more attention to the latest NZIER quarterly survey Will he pay more attention to the latest NZIER quarterly survey of latest NZIER quarterly survey of business latest NZIER quarterly survey of business opinion latest NZIER quarterly survey of business opinion released latest NZIER quarterly survey of business opinion released today latest NZIER quarterly survey of business opinion released today than business opinion released today than to business opinion released today than to previous business opinion released today than to previous reports business opinion released today than to previous reports of business opinion released today than to previous reports of declining to previous reports of declining confidence, to previous reports of declining confidence, given to previous reports of declining confidence, given we to previous reports of declining confidence, given we now to previous reports of declining confidence, given we now have to previous reports of declining confidence, given we now have a confidence, given we now have a series confidence, given we now have a series of confidence, given we now have a series of indicators confidence, given we now have a series of indicators showing confidence, given we now have a series of indicators showing a confidence, given we now have a series of indicators showing a sharp series of indicators showing a sharp increase series of indicators showing a sharp increase in series of indicators showing a sharp increase in pessimism series of indicators showing a sharp increase in pessimism in series of indicators showing a sharp increase in pessimism in the series of indicators showing a sharp increase in pessimism in the economy increase in pessimism in the economy with increase in pessimism in the economy with the increase in pessimism in the economy with the decline increase in pessimism in the economy with the decline in increase in pessimism in the economy with the decline in business with the decline in business confidence with the decline in business confidence in with the decline in business confidence in this with the decline in business confidence in this survey with the decline in business confidence in this survey to with the decline in business confidence in this survey to a with the decline in business confidence in this survey to a net confidence in this survey to a net 19% confidence in this survey to a net 19% of confidence in this survey to a net 19% of businesses confidence in this survey to a net 19% of businesses expecting confidence in this survey to a net 19% of businesses expecting economic 19% of businesses expecting economic conditions 19% of businesses expecting economic conditions to 19% of businesses expecting economic conditions to worsen 19% of businesses expecting economic conditions to worsen in 19% of businesses expecting economic conditions to worsen in the 19% of businesses expecting economic conditions to worsen in the second conditions to worsen in the second half conditions to worsen in the second half of conditions to worsen in the second half of the conditions to worsen in the second half of the year? half of the year? Mr half of the year? Mr Speaker, half of the year? Mr Speaker, I half of the year? Mr Speaker, I take half of the year? Mr Speaker, I take seriously half of the year? Mr Speaker, I take seriously the Mr Speaker, I take seriously the concerns Mr Speaker, I take seriously the concerns of Mr Speaker, I take seriously the concerns of business Mr Speaker, I take seriously the concerns of business and Mr Speaker, I take seriously the concerns of business and business concerns of business and business sentiment concerns of business and business sentiment but concerns of business and business sentiment but we concerns of business and business sentiment but we have concerns of business and business sentiment but we have to concerns of business and business sentiment but we have to look concerns of business and business sentiment but we have to look at concerns of business and business sentiment but we have to look at the sentiment but we have to look at the economy sentiment but we have to look at the economy as sentiment but we have to look at the economy as a sentiment but we have to look at the economy as a whole. sentiment but we have to look at the economy as a whole. We've sentiment but we have to look at the economy as a whole. We've got sentiment but we have to look at the economy as a whole. We've got a economy as a whole. We've got a strong economy as a whole. We've got a strong surplus, economy as a whole. We've got a strong surplus, unemployment economy as a whole. We've got a strong surplus, unemployment is economy as a whole. We've got a strong surplus, unemployment is low, strong surplus, unemployment is low, there strong surplus, unemployment is low, there will strong surplus, unemployment is low, there will be strong surplus, unemployment is low, there will be a strong surplus, unemployment is low, there will be a sustained strong surplus, unemployment is low, there will be a sustained period strong surplus, unemployment is low, there will be a sustained period of there will be a sustained period of growth, there will be a sustained period of growth, employee there will be a sustained period of growth, employee confidence there will be a sustained period of growth, employee confidence is there will be a sustained period of growth, employee confidence is up, growth, employee confidence is up, consumer growth, employee confidence is up, consumer confidence growth, employee confidence is up, consumer confidence is growth, employee confidence is up, consumer confidence is steady. consumer confidence is steady. 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The single figures? The member's single figures? The member's statement single figures? The member's statement is single figures? The member's statement is correct, The member's statement is correct, but The member's statement is correct, but I The member's statement is correct, but I implore The member's statement is correct, but I implore her The member's statement is correct, but I implore her to The member's statement is correct, but I implore her to look The member's statement is correct, but I implore her to look at The member's statement is correct, but I implore her to look at the but I implore her to look at the long-term but I implore her to look at the long-term correlation but I implore her to look at the long-term correlation between long-term correlation between business long-term correlation between business confidence long-term correlation between business confidence and long-term correlation between business confidence and GDP long-term correlation between business confidence and GDP growth business confidence and GDP growth and business confidence and GDP growth and to business confidence and GDP growth and to note business confidence and GDP growth and to note that business confidence and GDP growth and to note that in business confidence and GDP growth and to note that in the business confidence and GDP growth and to note that in the years and to note that in the years between and to note that in the years between 2000 and to note that in the years between 2000 and and to note that in the years between 2000 and 2009 and to note that in the years between 2000 and 2009 there and to note that in the years between 2000 and 2009 there was and to note that in the years between 2000 and 2009 there was on between 2000 and 2009 there was on average between 2000 and 2009 there was on average 3.2% between 2000 and 2009 there was on average 3.2% growth between 2000 and 2009 there was on average 3.2% growth and between 2000 and 2009 there was on average 3.2% growth and around between 2000 and 2009 there was on average 3.2% growth and around 82 between 2000 and 2009 there was on average 3.2% growth and around 82 of average 3.2% growth and around 82 of 99 average 3.2% growth and around 82 of 99 quarters average 3.2% growth and around 82 of 99 quarters of average 3.2% growth and around 82 of 99 quarters of months average 3.2% growth and around 82 of 99 quarters of months rather, average 3.2% growth and around 82 of 99 quarters of months rather, were 99 quarters of months rather, were seen 99 quarters of months rather, were seen to 99 quarters of months rather, were seen to be 99 quarters of months rather, were seen to be miscally 99 quarters of months rather, were seen to be miscally viewed 99 quarters of months rather, were seen to be miscally viewed by seen to be miscally viewed by business. business. 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Well, is he going to take any Well, is he going to take any responsibility Well, is he going to take any responsibility at Well, is he going to take any responsibility at all Well, is he going to take any responsibility at all for Well, is he going to take any responsibility at all for businesses responsibility at all for businesses in responsibility at all for businesses in the responsibility at all for businesses in the NZIER responsibility at all for businesses in the NZIER survey responsibility at all for businesses in the NZIER survey reporting responsibility at all for businesses in the NZIER survey reporting that in the NZIER survey reporting that cost in the NZIER survey reporting that cost pressures in the NZIER survey reporting that cost pressures have in the NZIER survey reporting that cost pressures have increased cost pressures have increased sharply, cost pressures have increased sharply, indicating cost pressures have increased sharply, indicating these cost pressures have increased sharply, indicating these cost cost pressures have increased sharply, indicating these cost also sharply, indicating these cost also be sharply, indicating these cost also be passed sharply, indicating these cost also be passed on sharply, indicating these cost also be passed on to sharply, indicating these cost also be passed on to consumers sharply, indicating these cost also be passed on to consumers at be passed on to consumers at increased be passed on to consumers at increased cost be passed on to consumers at increased cost of be passed on to consumers at increased cost of living? be passed on to consumers at increased cost of living? Mr increased cost of living? Mr Speaker,ly increased cost of living? Mr Speaker,ly take increased cost of living? Mr Speaker,ly take responsibility increased cost of living? Mr Speaker,ly take responsibility for Speaker,ly take responsibility for the Speaker,ly take responsibility for the fact Speaker,ly take responsibility for the fact that Speaker,ly take responsibility for the fact that this Speaker,ly take responsibility for the fact that this government Speaker,ly take responsibility for the fact that this government is the fact that this government is finally the fact that this government is finally getting the fact that this government is finally getting on the fact that this government is finally getting on with the fact that this government is finally getting on with funding the fact that this government is finally getting on with funding for finally getting on with funding for example, finally getting on with funding for example, transport, finally getting on with funding for example, transport, which finally getting on with funding for example, transport, which for finally getting on with funding for example, transport, which for nine example, transport, which for nine years example, transport, which for nine years was example, transport, which for nine years was ignoreded example, transport, which for nine years was ignoreded by example, transport, which for nine years was ignoreded by that example, transport, which for nine years was ignoreded by that side example, transport, which for nine years was ignoreded by that side of years was ignoreded by that side of the years was ignoreded by that side of the House years was ignoreded by that side of the House who years was ignoreded by that side of the House who now years was ignoreded by that side of the House who now cry years was ignoreded by that side of the House who now cry foul years was ignoreded by that side of the House who now cry foul because the House who now cry foul because we the House who now cry foul because we decided the House who now cry foul because we decided to the House who now cry foul because we decided to fund the House who now cry foul because we decided to fund our the House who now cry foul because we decided to fund our transport we decided to fund our transport plans we decided to fund our transport plans rather we decided to fund our transport plans rather than we decided to fund our transport plans rather than the we decided to fund our transport plans rather than the billions we decided to fund our transport plans rather than the billions of plans rather than the billions of dollars plans rather than the billions of dollars that plans rather than the billions of dollars that Simon plans rather than the billions of dollars that Simon Bridges plans rather than the billions of dollars that Simon Bridges left plans rather than the billions of dollars that Simon Bridges left as plans rather than the billions of dollars that Simon Bridges left as a dollars that Simon Bridges left as a gap dollars that Simon Bridges left as a gap in dollars that Simon Bridges left as a gap in Auckland dollars that Simon Bridges left as a gap in Auckland Transport. gap in Auckland Transport. Well, gap in Auckland Transport. Well, will gap in Auckland Transport. Well, will he gap in Auckland Transport. Well, will he be gap in Auckland Transport. Well, will he be speaking gap in Auckland Transport. Well, will he be speaking with gap in Auckland Transport. Well, will he be speaking with his Well, will he be speaking with his colleague Well, will he be speaking with his colleague Shane Well, will he be speaking with his colleague Shane Jones, Well, will he be speaking with his colleague Shane Jones, the colleague Shane Jones, the self-appointed colleague Shane Jones, the self-appointed champion colleague Shane Jones, the self-appointed champion of colleague Shane Jones, the self-appointed champion of the self-appointed champion of the regions self-appointed champion of the regions as self-appointed champion of the regions as to self-appointed champion of the regions as to why, self-appointed champion of the regions as to why, according self-appointed champion of the regions as to why, according to self-appointed champion of the regions as to why, according to this regions as to why, according to this latest regions as to why, according to this latest NZIER regions as to why, according to this latest NZIER survey regions as to why, according to this latest NZIER survey that regions as to why, according to this latest NZIER survey that pessimism latest NZIER survey that pessimism we latest NZIER survey that pessimism we mained latest NZIER survey that pessimism we mained pervasive latest NZIER survey that pessimism we mained pervasive across latest NZIER survey that pessimism we mained pervasive across the we mained pervasive across the regions we mained pervasive across the regions and we mained pervasive across the regions and in we mained pervasive across the regions and in particular we mained pervasive across the regions and in particular in regions and in particular in Taradaki? regions and in particular in Taradaki? Mr regions and in particular in Taradaki? Mr Speaker, regions and in particular in Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine regions and in particular in Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months regions and in particular in Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months in Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months in we Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months in we set Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months in we set up Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months in we set up a Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months in we set up a Provincial Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months in we set up a Provincial Growth Taradaki? Mr Speaker, nine months in we set up a Provincial Growth Fund we set up a Provincial Growth Fund that we set up a Provincial Growth Fund that is we set up a Provincial Growth Fund that is putting we set up a Provincial Growth Fund that is putting out we set up a Provincial Growth Fund that is putting out millions we set up a Provincial Growth Fund that is putting out millions into that is putting out millions into our that is putting out millions into our regions. that is putting out millions into our regions. It that is putting out millions into our regions. It will that is putting out millions into our regions. It will put that is putting out millions into our regions. It will put $1 that is putting out millions into our regions. It will put $1 billion our regions. It will put $1 billion out our regions. It will put $1 billion out over our regions. It will put $1 billion out over this our regions. It will put $1 billion out over this year our regions. It will put $1 billion out over this year and our regions. It will put $1 billion out over this year and another our regions. It will put $1 billion out over this year and another $2 out over this year and another $2 billion out over this year and another $2 billion over out over this year and another $2 billion over two out over this year and another $2 billion over two years. out over this year and another $2 billion over two years. That out over this year and another $2 billion over two years. That means billion over two years. That means this billion over two years. That means this government billion over two years. That means this government will billion over two years. That means this government will have billion over two years. That means this government will have done this government will have done tenfold this government will have done tenfold more this government will have done tenfold more than this government will have done tenfold more than the this government will have done tenfold more than the previous tenfold more than the previous government tenfold more than the previous government to tenfold more than the previous government to grow tenfold more than the previous government to grow our tenfold more than the previous government to grow our regions. government to grow our regions. Well, government to grow our regions. Well, when government to grow our regions. Well, when will government to grow our regions. Well, when will he government to grow our regions. Well, when will he acknowledge government to grow our regions. Well, when will he acknowledge that Well, when will he acknowledge that his Well, when will he acknowledge that his government's Well, when will he acknowledge that his government's policies, Well, when will he acknowledge that his government's policies, such Well, when will he acknowledge that his government's policies, such as his government's policies, such as high his government's policies, such as high other his government's policies, such as high other fuel his government's policies, such as high other fuel taxes, his government's policies, such as high other fuel taxes, shutting his government's policies, such as high other fuel taxes, shutting down high other fuel taxes, shutting down oil high other fuel taxes, shutting down oil and high other fuel taxes, shutting down oil and gas, high other fuel taxes, shutting down oil and gas, and high other fuel taxes, shutting down oil and gas, and pro-union oil and gas, and pro-union industrial oil and gas, and pro-union industrial relations oil and gas, and pro-union industrial relations reforms, oil and gas, and pro-union industrial relations reforms, are oil and gas, and pro-union industrial relations reforms, are a industrial relations reforms, are a core industrial relations reforms, are a core driver industrial relations reforms, are a core driver of industrial relations reforms, are a core driver of business industrial relations reforms, are a core driver of business confidence core driver of business confidence plummeting core driver of business confidence plummeting under core driver of business confidence plummeting under his core driver of business confidence plummeting under his watch? plummeting under his watch? Mr plummeting under his watch? Mr Speaker, plummeting under his watch? Mr Speaker, I plummeting under his watch? Mr Speaker, I repeat plummeting under his watch? Mr Speaker, I repeat what plummeting under his watch? Mr Speaker, I repeat what I plummeting under his watch? Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said plummeting under his watch? Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in my Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in my first Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in my first answer. Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in my first answer. There Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in my first answer. There are Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in my first answer. There are a Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in my first answer. There are a lot Mr Speaker, I repeat what I said in my first answer. There are a lot of my first answer. There are a lot of measures my first answer. There are a lot of measures of my first answer. There are a lot of measures of the my first answer. There are a lot of measures of the health my first answer. There are a lot of measures of the health of my first answer. There are a lot of measures of the health of the measures of the health of the economy. measures of the health of the economy. One measures of the health of the economy. One of measures of the health of the economy. One of the measures of the health of the economy. One of the most measures of the health of the economy. One of the most important economy. One of the most important of economy. One of the most important of those economy. One of the most important of those measures economy. One of the most important of those measures is economy. One of the most important of those measures is the economy. One of the most important of those measures is the fact economy. One of the most important of those measures is the fact that of those measures is the fact that we of those measures is the fact that we have of those measures is the fact that we have a of those measures is the fact that we have a surplus, of those measures is the fact that we have a surplus, that of those measures is the fact that we have a surplus, that unemployment we have a surplus, that unemployment is we have a surplus, that unemployment is coming we have a surplus, that unemployment is coming down, we have a surplus, that unemployment is coming down, that we have a surplus, that unemployment is coming down, that we we have a surplus, that unemployment is coming down, that we actually is coming down, that we actually have is coming down, that we actually have sustained is coming down, that we actually have sustained growth is coming down, that we actually have sustained growth in is coming down, that we actually have sustained growth in the is coming down, that we actually have sustained growth in the future have sustained growth in the future and have sustained growth in the future and that have sustained growth in the future and that confidence have sustained growth in the future and that confidence is have sustained growth in the future and that confidence is shared have sustained growth in the future and that confidence is shared across and that confidence is shared across the and that confidence is shared across the economy. and that confidence is shared across the economy. Employee and that confidence is shared across the economy. Employee confidence and that confidence is shared across the economy. Employee confidence is the economy. Employee confidence is up, the economy. Employee confidence is up, consumer the economy. Employee confidence is up, consumer confidence the economy. Employee confidence is up, consumer confidence is the economy. Employee confidence is up, consumer confidence is steady up, consumer confidence is steady and up, consumer confidence is steady and we up, consumer confidence is steady and we are up, consumer confidence is steady and we are working up, consumer confidence is steady and we are working with up, consumer confidence is steady and we are working with the up, consumer confidence is steady and we are working with the business and we are working with the business community and we are working with the business community to and we are working with the business community to lift and we are working with the business community to lift their and we are working with the business community to lift their confidence. 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Mr other voices need to be involved in the process. Mr Speaker, the process. Mr Speaker, supplementary. the process. Mr Speaker, supplementary. Why the process. Mr Speaker, supplementary. Why did the process. Mr Speaker, supplementary. Why did he the process. Mr Speaker, supplementary. Why did he label supplementary. Why did he label these supplementary. Why did he label these principals supplementary. Why did he label these principals as supplementary. Why did he label these principals as having these principals as having traditional these principals as having traditional views these principals as having traditional views and these principals as having traditional views and is these principals as having traditional views and is he traditional views and is he dismissing traditional views and is he dismissing their traditional views and is he dismissing their views traditional views and is he dismissing their views because traditional views and is he dismissing their views because they dismissing their views because they are dismissing their views because they are traditional? are traditional? No, are traditional? No, Mr are traditional? No, Mr Speaker, are traditional? No, Mr Speaker, I are traditional? No, Mr Speaker, I think are traditional? No, Mr Speaker, I think that are traditional? No, Mr Speaker, I think that is are traditional? 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I absolutely reject the assertion put absolutely reject the assertion put forward absolutely reject the assertion put forward by absolutely reject the assertion put forward by one absolutely reject the assertion put forward by one of absolutely reject the assertion put forward by one of the absolutely reject the assertion put forward by one of the principals forward by one of the principals yesterday forward by one of the principals yesterday moring forward by one of the principals yesterday moring that forward by one of the principals yesterday moring that this forward by one of the principals yesterday moring that this is forward by one of the principals yesterday moring that this is a yesterday moring that this is a matter yesterday moring that this is a matter for yesterday moring that this is a matter for adults yesterday moring that this is a matter for adults to yesterday moring that this is a matter for adults to discuss. yesterday moring that this is a matter for adults to discuss. Mr matter for adults to discuss. Mr Speaker, matter for adults to discuss. Mr Speaker, supplementary. matter for adults to discuss. Mr Speaker, supplementary. What Speaker, supplementary. What responses Speaker, supplementary. What responses has Speaker, supplementary. What responses has the Speaker, supplementary. What responses has the minister Speaker, supplementary. What responses has the minister is Speaker, supplementary. What responses has the minister is a Speaker, supplementary. What responses has the minister is a seen responses has the minister is a seen from responses has the minister is a seen from secondary responses has the minister is a seen from secondary school responses has the minister is a seen from secondary school principals responses has the minister is a seen from secondary school principals to from secondary school principals to the from secondary school principals to the NCA from secondary school principals to the NCA review? the NCA review? Mr the NCA review? Mr Speaker, the NCA review? Mr Speaker, at the NCA review? Mr Speaker, at the the NCA review? Mr Speaker, at the time the NCA review? 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Patrick Walsh said said it was well overdue. Patrick Walsh said that said it was well overdue. Patrick Walsh said that the said it was well overdue. Patrick Walsh said that the NCA said it was well overdue. Patrick Walsh said that the NCA directly Walsh said that the NCA directly affects Walsh said that the NCA directly affects employers, Walsh said that the NCA directly affects employers, and Walsh said that the NCA directly affects employers, and sporting affects employers, and sporting bodies affects employers, and sporting bodies and affects employers, and sporting bodies and business affects employers, and sporting bodies and business groups affects employers, and sporting bodies and business groups and bodies and business groups and voluntary bodies and business groups and voluntary organisations bodies and business groups and voluntary organisations to bodies and business groups and voluntary organisations to name bodies and business groups and voluntary organisations to name a voluntary organisations to name a few. voluntary organisations to name a few. If voluntary organisations to name a few. If we voluntary organisations to name a few. If we want voluntary organisations to name a few. If we want a voluntary organisations to name a few. If we want a high voluntary organisations to name a few. If we want a high quality few. If we want a high quality change few. If we want a high quality change we few. If we want a high quality change we must few. If we want a high quality change we must first few. If we want a high quality change we must first have few. If we want a high quality change we must first have quality change we must first have quality and change we must first have quality and feedback. change we must first have quality and feedback. Mr change we must first have quality and feedback. Mr Speaker, change we must first have quality and feedback. Mr Speaker, I change we must first have quality and feedback. Mr Speaker, I have change we must first have quality and feedback. Mr Speaker, I have not and feedback. Mr Speaker, I have not received and feedback. Mr Speaker, I have not received letters and feedback. Mr Speaker, I have not received letters or and feedback. Mr Speaker, I have not received letters or emails and feedback. Mr Speaker, I have not received letters or emails from and feedback. Mr Speaker, I have not received letters or emails from any received letters or emails from any of received letters or emails from any of the received letters or emails from any of the current received letters or emails from any of the current principals received letters or emails from any of the current principals in received letters or emails from any of the current principals in the received letters or emails from any of the current principals in the new of the current principals in the new Principals of the current principals in the new Principals NCA of the current principals in the new Principals NCA Coalition of the current principals in the new Principals NCA Coalition until of the current principals in the new Principals NCA Coalition until this Principals NCA Coalition until this sun Principals NCA Coalition until this sun but Principals NCA Coalition until this sun but welcome Principals NCA Coalition until this sun but welcome the Principals NCA Coalition until this sun but welcome the engagement. Principals NCA Coalition until this sun but welcome the engagement. In sun but welcome the engagement. In the sun but welcome the engagement. In the light sun but welcome the engagement. In the light of sun but welcome the engagement. In the light of the sun but welcome the engagement. In the light of the fact sun but welcome the engagement. In the light of the fact in sun but welcome the engagement. In the light of the fact in the sun but welcome the engagement. 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I think it is very important that everybody with a view on NCA. I think it is very important that everybody with a view on the that everybody with a view on the NCA that everybody with a view on the NCA has that everybody with a view on the NCA has an that everybody with a view on the NCA has an opportunity that everybody with a view on the NCA has an opportunity to that everybody with a view on the NCA has an opportunity to be that everybody with a view on the NCA has an opportunity to be heard NCA has an opportunity to be heard in NCA has an opportunity to be heard in this NCA has an opportunity to be heard in this process. in this process. Mr in this process. Mr Speaker, in this process. Mr Speaker, supplementary in this process. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If he Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If he is Mr Speaker, supplementary question. If he is listening Mr Speaker, supplementary question. 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Do ministers, including him, have Do ministers, including him, have any Do ministers, including him, have any responsibility Do ministers, including him, have any responsibility to Do ministers, including him, have any responsibility to ensure any responsibility to ensure conflicts any responsibility to ensure conflicts of any responsibility to ensure conflicts of interest any responsibility to ensure conflicts of interest are conflicts of interest are appropriately conflicts of interest are appropriately managed conflicts of interest are appropriately managed by conflicts of interest are appropriately managed by the conflicts of interest are appropriately managed by the chief appropriately managed by the chief executive appropriately managed by the chief executive of appropriately managed by the chief executive of the appropriately managed by the chief executive of the department appropriately managed by the chief executive of the department that executive of the department that reports executive of the department that reports them executive of the department that reports them when executive of the department that reports them when that executive of the department that reports them when that chief reports them when that chief executive reports them when that chief executive was reports them when that chief executive was involved reports them when that chief executive was involved in reports them when that chief executive was involved in a reports them when that chief executive was involved in a DHB reports them when that chief executive was involved in a DHB that executive was involved in a DHB that was executive was involved in a DHB that was under executive was involved in a DHB that was under review executive was involved in a DHB that was under review and executive was involved in a DHB that was under review and an executive was involved in a DHB that was under review and an audit executive was involved in a DHB that was under review and an audit was was under review and an audit was being was under review and an audit was being provided was under review and an audit was being provided to was under review and an audit was being provided to that was under review and an audit was being provided to that individual was under review and an audit was being provided to that individual as being provided to that individual as Director-General being provided to that individual as Director-General of being provided to that individual as Director-General of Health? being provided to that individual as Director-General of Health? On Director-General of Health? On behalf Director-General of Health? On behalf of Director-General of Health? On behalf of the Director-General of Health? On behalf of the minister, Director-General of Health? On behalf of the minister, yes, behalf of the minister, yes, absolutely. behalf of the minister, yes, absolutely. Question behalf of the minister, yes, absolutely. Question No. behalf of the minister, yes, absolutely. Question No. 8. absolutely. absolutely. Question absolutely. Question No. absolutely. Question No. 8. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: What My question is to the Minister of Education: What action My question is to the Minister of Education: What action is My question is to the Minister of Education: What action is the Education: What action is the coalition Education: What action is the coalition Government Education: What action is the coalition Government taking Education: What action is the coalition Government taking to coalition Government taking to address coalition Government taking to address cost coalition Government taking to address cost barriers coalition Government taking to address cost barriers faced coalition Government taking to address cost barriers faced for coalition Government taking to address cost barriers faced for New address cost barriers faced for New Zealanders address cost barriers faced for New Zealanders studying address cost barriers faced for New Zealanders studying medicine, Zealanders studying medicine, dentistry, Zealanders studying medicine, dentistry, optometry, Zealanders studying medicine, dentistry, optometry, or Zealanders studying medicine, dentistry, optometry, or veterinary dentistry, optometry, or veterinary science? 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The Government was intending to make this change in intending to make this change in next intending to make this change in next year's intending to make this change in next year's budget intending to make this change in next year's budget to intending to make this change in next year's budget to come intending to make this change in next year's budget to come into next year's budget to come into force next year's budget to come into force at next year's budget to come into force at the next year's budget to come into force at the beginning next year's budget to come into force at the beginning of next year's budget to come into force at the beginning of 2020, force at the beginning of 2020, however, force at the beginning of 2020, however, after force at the beginning of 2020, however, after listening force at the beginning of 2020, however, after listening to force at the beginning of 2020, however, after listening to feedback however, after listening to feedback we however, after listening to feedback we have however, after listening to feedback we have brought however, after listening to feedback we have brought that however, after listening to feedback we have brought that forward however, after listening to feedback we have brought that forward and we have brought that forward and this we have brought that forward and this change we have brought that forward and this change will we have brought that forward and this change will now we have brought that forward and this change will now take we have brought that forward and this change will now take effect this change will now take effect from this change will now take effect from 1 this change will now take effect from 1 January this change will now take effect from 1 January 2019. this change will now take effect from 1 January 2019. Question this change will now take effect from 1 January 2019. Question No. this change will now take effect from 1 January 2019. Question No. 9. from from 1 from 1 January from 1 January 2019. from 1 January 2019. Question from 1 January 2019. Question No. from 1 January 2019. Question No. 9. 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Yes, Yes, but Yes, but I Yes, but I note Yes, but I note for Yes, but I note for the Yes, but I note for the benefit Yes, but I note for the benefit of Yes, but I note for the benefit of the Yes, but I note for the benefit of the member Yes, but I note for the benefit of the member that Yes, but I note for the benefit of the member that it Yes, but I note for the benefit of the member that it is Yes, but I note for the benefit of the member that it is the Yes, but I note for the benefit of the member that it is the PM Yes, but I note for the benefit of the member that it is the PM who Yes, but I note for the benefit of the member that it is the PM who is the member that it is the PM who is responsible the member that it is the PM who is responsible for the member that it is the PM who is responsible for that the member that it is the PM who is responsible for that assessment. the member that it is the PM who is responsible for that assessment. Did responsible for that assessment. Did he responsible for that assessment. Did he just responsible for that assessment. Did he just take responsible for that assessment. Did he just take Shane responsible for that assessment. Did he just take Shane Jones responsible for that assessment. Did he just take Shane Jones and responsible for that assessment. Did he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin Davis he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin Davis at he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin Davis at their he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin Davis at their word he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin Davis at their word or he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin Davis at their word or did he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin Davis at their word or did he he just take Shane Jones and Kelvin Davis at their word or did he seek Davis at their word or did he seek legal Davis at their word or did he seek legal advice Davis at their word or did he seek legal advice to Davis at their word or did he seek legal advice to back Davis at their word or did he seek legal advice to back up Davis at their word or did he seek legal advice to back up the Davis at their word or did he seek legal advice to back up the claim legal advice to back up the claim that legal advice to back up the claim that not legal advice to back up the claim that not granting legal advice to back up the claim that not granting an legal advice to back up the claim that not granting an exemption legal advice to back up the claim that not granting an exemption for that not granting an exemption for the that not granting an exemption for the specific that not granting an exemption for the specific Te that not granting an exemption for the specific Te Arai that not granting an exemption for the specific Te Arai land that not granting an exemption for the specific Te Arai land would the specific Te Arai land would cause the specific Te Arai land would cause a the specific Te Arai land would cause a Treaty the specific Te Arai land would cause a Treaty of the specific Te Arai land would cause a Treaty of Waitangi cause a Treaty of Waitangi grievance? cause a Treaty of Waitangi grievance? 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My decision was informed by both my conversations with by both my conversations with ministerial by both my conversations with ministerial colleagues by both my conversations with ministerial colleagues and by both my conversations with ministerial colleagues and the ministerial colleagues and the advice ministerial colleagues and the advice that ministerial colleagues and the advice that I ministerial colleagues and the advice that I had ministerial colleagues and the advice that I had from ministerial colleagues and the advice that I had from The ministerial colleagues and the advice that I had from The Treasury, advice that I had from The Treasury, advice that I had from The Treasury, advice that I had from The Treasury, which was, advice that I had from The Treasury, which was, in advice that I had from The Treasury, which was, in itself, advice that I had from The Treasury, which was, in itself, formed advice that I had from The Treasury, which was, in itself, formed by which was, in itself, formed by legaled which was, in itself, formed by legaled advice. which was, in itself, formed by legaled advice. 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I think, as I acknowledged then, that either the select then, that either the select committee then, that either the select committee or then, that either the select committee or I then, that either the select committee or I could then, that either the select committee or I could have then, that either the select committee or I could have looked then, that either the select committee or I could have looked at committee or I could have looked at that committee or I could have looked at that further committee or I could have looked at that further and, committee or I could have looked at that further and, indeed, committee or I could have looked at that further and, indeed, had committee or I could have looked at that further and, indeed, had the that further and, indeed, had the exemption that further and, indeed, had the exemption been that further and, indeed, had the exemption been carried that further and, indeed, had the exemption been carried forward. that further and, indeed, had the exemption been carried forward. 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I would note that in respect of the underlying in respect of the underlying proposition in respect of the underlying proposition that in respect of the underlying proposition that I in respect of the underlying proposition that I have in respect of the underlying proposition that I have put in respect of the underlying proposition that I have put to in respect of the underlying proposition that I have put to the proposition that I have put to the House proposition that I have put to the House repeatedly proposition that I have put to the House repeatedly last proposition that I have put to the House repeatedly last week, proposition that I have put to the House repeatedly last week, that proposition that I have put to the House repeatedly last week, that we House repeatedly last week, that we were House repeatedly last week, that we were concerned House repeatedly last week, that we were concerned about House repeatedly last week, that we were concerned about the House repeatedly last week, that we were concerned about the position House repeatedly last week, that we were concerned about the position of were concerned about the position of the were concerned about the position of the iwi. were concerned about the position of the iwi. 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I looked at the accounts for the year ended 31 March 2007 for for the year ended 31 March 2007 for the for the year ended 31 March 2007 for the settlement for the year ended 31 March 2007 for the settlement trust for the year ended 31 March 2007 for the settlement trust and for the year ended 31 March 2007 for the settlement trust and it for the year ended 31 March 2007 for the settlement trust and it records the settlement trust and it records that the settlement trust and it records that the the settlement trust and it records that the settlement the settlement trust and it records that the settlement trust the settlement trust and it records that the settlement trust advanced that the settlement trust advanced to that the settlement trust advanced to their that the settlement trust advanced to their investment that the settlement trust advanced to their investment arm that the settlement trust advanced to their investment arm $20 that the settlement trust advanced to their investment arm $20 million to their investment arm $20 million to to their investment arm $20 million to facilitate to their investment arm $20 million to facilitate the to their investment arm $20 million to facilitate the purchase to their investment arm $20 million to facilitate the purchase of to their investment arm $20 million to facilitate the purchase of the to facilitate the purchase of the Mangawhai to facilitate the purchase of the Mangawhai language. to facilitate the purchase of the Mangawhai language. It to facilitate the purchase of the Mangawhai language. It was to facilitate the purchase of the Mangawhai language. It was intended Mangawhai language. It was intended to Mangawhai language. It was intended to be Mangawhai language. It was intended to be repaid Mangawhai language. It was intended to be repaid from Mangawhai language. It was intended to be repaid from the Mangawhai language. It was intended to be repaid from the sale Mangawhai language. It was intended to be repaid from the sale proceed. to be repaid from the sale proceed. Due to be repaid from the sale proceed. Due to to be repaid from the sale proceed. Due to the to be repaid from the sale proceed. Due to the loss to be repaid from the sale proceed. Due to the loss in to be repaid from the sale proceed. Due to the loss in value, to be repaid from the sale proceed. Due to the loss in value, this to be repaid from the sale proceed. 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The expressed positivity towards our package. The Children's expressed positivity towards our package. The Children's Commissioner package. The Children's Commissioner said package. The Children's Commissioner said it package. The Children's Commissioner said it was package. The Children's Commissioner said it was an package. The Children's Commissioner said it was an extremely package. The Children's Commissioner said it was an extremely positive said it was an extremely positive first said it was an extremely positive first step. said it was an extremely positive first step. Supplementary. said it was an extremely positive first step. Supplementary. How said it was an extremely positive first step. Supplementary. How many first step. Supplementary. How many people first step. Supplementary. How many people earning first step. Supplementary. How many people earning over first step. Supplementary. How many people earning over $1 first step. Supplementary. 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