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Why is the income cap for KiwiBuild houses the income cap for KiwiBuild houses set the income cap for KiwiBuild houses set at the income cap for KiwiBuild houses set at more the income cap for KiwiBuild houses set at more than the income cap for KiwiBuild houses set at more than double the income cap for KiwiBuild houses set at more than double the the income cap for KiwiBuild houses set at more than double the average set at more than double the average household set at more than double the average household income set at more than double the average household income given set at more than double the average household income given his set at more than double the average household income given his stated household income given his stated commitment household income given his stated commitment to household income given his stated commitment to help household income given his stated commitment to help younger commitment to help younger generations commitment to help younger generations in commitment to help younger generations in middle commitment to help younger generations in middle New commitment to help younger generations in middle New Zealand? generations in middle New Zealand? 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Isn't his announcement of a KiwiBuild income cap of of a KiwiBuild income cap of $180,000, of a KiwiBuild income cap of $180,000, which of a KiwiBuild income cap of $180,000, which makes of a KiwiBuild income cap of $180,000, which makes more of a KiwiBuild income cap of $180,000, which makes more than of a KiwiBuild income cap of $180,000, which makes more than 90% $180,000, which makes more than 90% of $180,000, which makes more than 90% of first $180,000, which makes more than 90% of first home $180,000, which makes more than 90% of first home buyers $180,000, which makes more than 90% of first home buyers eligible $180,000, which makes more than 90% of first home buyers eligible for of first home buyers eligible for the of first home buyers eligible for the 1,000 of first home buyers eligible for the 1,000 KiwiBuild of first home buyers eligible for the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes of first home buyers eligible for the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he of first home buyers eligible for the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he hopes the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he hopes to the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he hopes to build the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he hopes to build this the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he hopes to build this year the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he hopes to build this year nothing the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he hopes to build this year nothing more the 1,000 KiwiBuild homes he hopes to build this year nothing more than to build this year nothing more than an to build this year nothing more than an admission to build this year nothing more than an admission that to build this year nothing more than an admission that he to build this year nothing more than an admission that he can't to build this year nothing more than an admission that he can't deliver an admission that he can't deliver affordable an admission that he can't deliver affordable houses an admission that he can't deliver affordable houses to an admission that he can't deliver affordable houses to lower an admission that he can't deliver affordable houses to lower and affordable houses to lower and middle affordable houses to lower and middle income affordable houses to lower and middle income families affordable houses to lower and middle income families and affordable houses to lower and middle income families and has affordable houses to lower and middle income families and has had middle income families and has had to middle income families and has had to widen middle income families and has had to widen the middle income families and has had to widen the market middle income families and has had to widen the market to middle income families and has had to widen the market to try middle income families and has had to widen the market to try and to widen the market to try and ensure to widen the market to try and ensure KiwiBuild to widen the market to try and ensure KiwiBuild doesn't to widen the market to try and ensure KiwiBuild doesn't back ensure KiwiBuild doesn't back KiwiFlop? ensure KiwiBuild doesn't back KiwiFlop? 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How can he describe KiwiBuild as a Government. How can he describe KiwiBuild as a home Government. 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Question announced in the near future. Question No. announced in the near future. Question No. 4. Question Question No. Question No. 4. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: What My question is to the Minister of Education: What investment My question is to the Minister of Education: What investment in My question is to the Minister of Education: What investment in new Education: What investment in new classrooms Education: What investment in new classrooms for Education: What investment in new classrooms for Auckland Education: What investment in new classrooms for Auckland has Education: What investment in new classrooms for Auckland has the classrooms for Auckland has the Government classrooms for Auckland has the Government announced classrooms for Auckland has the Government announced today? Today Today I Today I announced Today I announced $49 Today I announced $49 million Today I announced $49 million for Today I announced $49 million for a Today I announced $49 million for a new Today I announced $49 million for a new primary Today I announced $49 million for a new primary school Today I announced $49 million for a new primary school and Today I announced $49 million for a new primary school and additional new primary school and additional classrooms new primary school and additional classrooms for new primary school and additional classrooms for two new primary school and additional classrooms for two other new primary school and additional classrooms for two other primary classrooms for two other primary schools classrooms for two other primary schools in classrooms for two other primary schools in Auckland. classrooms for two other primary schools in Auckland. It classrooms for two other primary schools in Auckland. It is classrooms for two other primary schools in Auckland. It is one classrooms for two other primary schools in Auckland. It is one of schools in Auckland. It is one of our schools in Auckland. It is one of our fastest schools in Auckland. It is one of our fastest growing schools in Auckland. It is one of our fastest growing areas schools in Auckland. It is one of our fastest growing areas and schools in Auckland. It is one of our fastest growing areas and this our fastest growing areas and this Government our fastest growing areas and this Government is our fastest growing areas and this Government is committed our fastest growing areas and this Government is committed to our fastest growing areas and this Government is committed to making Government is committed to making sure Government is committed to making sure there Government is committed to making sure there are Government is committed to making sure there are enough Government is committed to making sure there are enough classrooms sure there are enough classrooms that sure there are enough classrooms that are sure there are enough classrooms that are fit sure there are enough classrooms that are fit for sure there are enough classrooms that are fit for purpose sure there are enough classrooms that are fit for purpose to sure there are enough classrooms that are fit for purpose to keep that are fit for purpose to keep pace that are fit for purpose to keep pace with that are fit for purpose to keep pace with population that are fit for purpose to keep pace with population growth. that are fit for purpose to keep pace with population growth. The pace with population growth. The funding pace with population growth. The funding announced pace with population growth. The funding announced today pace with population growth. The funding announced today is pace with population growth. The funding announced today is part pace with population growth. The funding announced today is part of pace with population growth. The funding announced today is part of a funding announced today is part of a $332 funding announced today is part of a $332 million funding announced today is part of a $332 million investment funding announced today is part of a $332 million investment in funding announced today is part of a $332 million investment in school $332 million investment in school property $332 million investment in school property in $332 million investment in school property in Budget $332 million investment in school property in Budget 2018. $332 million investment in school property in Budget 2018. How $332 million investment in school property in Budget 2018. How many property in Budget 2018. How many additional property in Budget 2018. How many additional students property in Budget 2018. How many additional students will property in Budget 2018. How many additional students will benefit additional students will benefit from additional students will benefit from the additional students will benefit from the $49 additional students will benefit from the $49 million additional students will benefit from the $49 million for additional students will benefit from the $49 million for new from the $49 million for new classrooms from the $49 million for new classrooms in from the $49 million for new classrooms in Auckland? from the $49 million for new classrooms in Auckland? Mr from the $49 million for new classrooms in Auckland? Mr Speaker, classrooms in Auckland? Mr Speaker, 1,200 classrooms in Auckland? Mr Speaker, 1,200 students classrooms in Auckland? Mr Speaker, 1,200 students in classrooms in Auckland? Mr Speaker, 1,200 students in total classrooms in Auckland? Mr Speaker, 1,200 students in total will classrooms in Auckland? Mr Speaker, 1,200 students in total will be 1,200 students in total will be accommodated 1,200 students in total will be accommodated for 1,200 students in total will be accommodated for fro 1,200 students in total will be accommodated for fro today's accommodated for fro today's announcement. accommodated for fro today's announcement. This accommodated for fro today's announcement. This includes accommodated for fro today's announcement. This includes spaces announcement. This includes spaces for announcement. This includes spaces for 350 announcement. This includes spaces for 350 students announcement. This includes spaces for 350 students in announcement. This includes spaces for 350 students in the announcement. This includes spaces for 350 students in the rebuild announcement. This includes spaces for 350 students in the rebuild - announcement. This includes spaces for 350 students in the rebuild - in for 350 students in the rebuild - in the for 350 students in the rebuild - in the expansion for 350 students in the rebuild - in the expansion of for 350 students in the rebuild - in the expansion of Pairata for 350 students in the rebuild - in the expansion of Pairata primary the expansion of Pairata primary school. the expansion of Pairata primary school. 240 the expansion of Pairata primary school. 240 students the expansion of Pairata primary school. 240 students by the expansion of Pairata primary school. 240 students by expanding school. 240 students by expanding Waterview school. 240 students by expanding Waterview primary school. 240 students by expanding Waterview primary schools school. 240 students by expanding Waterview primary schools and school. 240 students by expanding Waterview primary schools and 650 Waterview primary schools and 650 students Waterview primary schools and 650 students in Waterview primary schools and 650 students in a Waterview primary schools and 650 students in a brand Waterview primary schools and 650 students in a brand new Waterview primary schools and 650 students in a brand new school Waterview primary schools and 650 students in a brand new school for students in a brand new school for Scotts students in a brand new school for Scotts Point. students in a brand new school for Scotts Point. Question students in a brand new school for Scotts Point. Question No. students in a brand new school for Scotts Point. Question No. 5. students students in students in a students in a brand students in a brand new students in a brand new school students in a brand new school for students in a brand new school for Scotts students in a brand new school for Scotts Point. students in a brand new school for Scotts Point. Question students in a brand new school for Scotts Point. Question No. students in a brand new school for Scotts Point. Question No. 5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: My question is to the Minister for Social Development: What My question is to the Minister for Social Development: What recent Social Development: What recent decisions Social Development: What recent decisions and Social Development: What recent decisions and actions Social Development: What recent decisions and actions has Social Development: What recent decisions and actions has the decisions and actions has the Government decisions and actions has the Government taken decisions and actions has the Government taken about decisions and actions has the Government taken about high decisions and actions has the Government taken about high tariff Government taken about high tariff offenders? On On the On the advice On the advice of On the advice of the On the advice of the Ministry On the advice of the Ministry of On the advice of the Ministry of Social On the advice of the Ministry of Social Development On the advice of the Ministry of Social Development and On the advice of the Ministry of Social Development and the On the advice of the Ministry of Social Development and the Dept On the advice of the Ministry of Social Development and the Dept of Social Development and the Dept of Corrections, Social Development and the Dept of Corrections, minister Social Development and the Dept of Corrections, minister Davis Social Development and the Dept of Corrections, minister Davis and Corrections, minister Davis and myself Corrections, minister Davis and myself agreed Corrections, minister Davis and myself agreed that Corrections, minister Davis and myself agreed that compensation myself agreed that compensation claims myself agreed that compensation claims to myself agreed that compensation claims to serious myself agreed that compensation claims to serious offenders, claims to serious offenders, including claims to serious offenders, including those claims to serious offenders, including those arising claims to serious offenders, including those arising from including those arising from historic including those arising from historic abuse including those arising from historic abuse in including those arising from historic abuse in state including those arising from historic abuse in state care including those arising from historic abuse in state care should historic abuse in state care should be historic abuse in state care should be progressed. historic abuse in state care should be progressed. Supplementary. historic abuse in state care should be progressed. Supplementary. What be progressed. Supplementary. What steps be progressed. Supplementary. What steps has be progressed. Supplementary. What steps has the be progressed. Supplementary. What steps has the minister be progressed. Supplementary. What steps has the minister taken be progressed. Supplementary. What steps has the minister taken to steps has the minister taken to ensure steps has the minister taken to ensure no steps has the minister taken to ensure no further steps has the minister taken to ensure no further rapes, steps has the minister taken to ensure no further rapes, murders, ensure no further rapes, murders, assaults ensure no further rapes, murders, assaults are ensure no further rapes, murders, assaults are committed ensure no further rapes, murders, assaults are committed by ensure no further rapes, murders, assaults are committed by these assaults are committed by these offenders? Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, I Mr Speaker, I don't Mr Speaker, I don't think Mr Speaker, I don't think I Mr Speaker, I don't think I have Mr Speaker, I don't think I have responsibility Mr Speaker, I don't think I have responsibility for Mr Speaker, I don't think I have responsibility for the Mr Speaker, I don't think I have responsibility for the high-tariff responsibility for the high-tariff offenders' responsibility for the high-tariff offenders' offences. responsibility for the high-tariff offenders' offences. My responsibility for the high-tariff offenders' offences. My role responsibility for the high-tariff offenders' offences. My role and offenders' offences. My role and responsibility offenders' offences. My role and responsibility lays offenders' offences. My role and responsibility lays with responsibility lays with compensation responsibility lays with compensation for responsibility lays with compensation for those responsibility lays with compensation for those who responsibility lays with compensation for those who have responsibility lays with compensation for those who have been compensation for those who have been victims compensation for those who have been victims of compensation for those who have been victims of abuse compensation for those who have been victims of abuse in compensation for those who have been victims of abuse in state compensation for those who have been victims of abuse in state care. victims of abuse in state care. There victims of abuse in state care. There are victims of abuse in state care. There are two victims of abuse in state care. There are two very victims of abuse in state care. There are two very separate victims of abuse in state care. There are two very separate things There are two very separate things going There are two very separate things going on There are two very separate things going on here There are two very separate things going on here that There are two very separate things going on here that I There are two very separate things going on here that I think There are two very separate things going on here that I think that going on here that I think that member going on here that I think that member needs going on here that I think that member needs to going on here that I think that member needs to be going on here that I think that member needs to be very going on here that I think that member needs to be very clear going on here that I think that member needs to be very clear about member needs to be very clear about rather member needs to be very clear about rather than member needs to be very clear about rather than trying member needs to be very clear about rather than trying to member needs to be very clear about rather than trying to run member needs to be very clear about rather than trying to run them rather than trying to run them together. rather than trying to run them together. Supplementary. rather than trying to run them together. Supplementary. What rather than trying to run them together. Supplementary. What does together. Supplementary. What does she together. Supplementary. What does she say together. Supplementary. What does she say to together. Supplementary. What does she say to the together. Supplementary. What does she say to the parents together. Supplementary. What does she say to the parents of together. Supplementary. What does she say to the parents of Natasha she say to the parents of Natasha Hayden she say to the parents of Natasha Hayden who she say to the parents of Natasha Hayden who was she say to the parents of Natasha Hayden who was murdered she say to the parents of Natasha Hayden who was murdered in she say to the parents of Natasha Hayden who was murdered in 2005 she say to the parents of Natasha Hayden who was murdered in 2005 when Hayden who was murdered in 2005 when they Hayden who was murdered in 2005 when they ask, Hayden who was murdered in 2005 when they ask, "What Hayden who was murdered in 2005 when they ask, "What about Hayden who was murdered in 2005 when they ask, "What about the Hayden who was murdered in 2005 when they ask, "What about the life Hayden who was murdered in 2005 when they ask, "What about the life of they ask, "What about the life of the they ask, "What about the life of the people they ask, "What about the life of the people they've they ask, "What about the life of the people they've killed they ask, "What about the life of the people they've killed or the people they've killed or molested? the people they've killed or molested? What the people they've killed or molested? What do the people they've killed or molested? What do they the people they've killed or molested? What do they get?" the people they've killed or molested? What do they get?" I the people they've killed or molested? What do they get?" I want molested? What do they get?" I want to molested? What do they get?" I want to make molested? What do they get?" I want to make it molested? What do they get?" I want to make it very molested? What do they get?" I want to make it very clear molested? What do they get?" I want to make it very clear that molested? What do they get?" I want to make it very clear that everybody to make it very clear that everybody in to make it very clear that everybody in this to make it very clear that everybody in this House, to make it very clear that everybody in this House, from to make it very clear that everybody in this House, from every to make it very clear that everybody in this House, from every political in this House, from every political party, in this House, from every political party, empathises in this House, from every political party, empathises with in this House, from every political party, empathises with victims in this House, from every political party, empathises with victims of party, empathises with victims of crime, party, empathises with victims of crime, particularly party, empathises with victims of crime, particularly the party, empathises with victims of crime, particularly the ones party, empathises with victims of crime, particularly the ones that crime, particularly the ones that have crime, particularly the ones that have suffered crime, particularly the ones that have suffered under crime, particularly the ones that have suffered under horrific crime, particularly the ones that have suffered under horrific crimes, have suffered under horrific crimes, as have suffered under horrific crimes, as that have suffered under horrific crimes, as that member have suffered under horrific crimes, as that member has have suffered under horrific crimes, as that member has pointed have suffered under horrific crimes, as that member has pointed out. have suffered under horrific crimes, as that member has pointed out. But as that member has pointed out. But there as that member has pointed out. But there are as that member has pointed out. But there are two as that member has pointed out. But there are two separate as that member has pointed out. But there are two separate matters as that member has pointed out. But there are two separate matters here there are two separate matters here that there are two separate matters here that we there are two separate matters here that we are there are two separate matters here that we are talking there are two separate matters here that we are talking about. there are two separate matters here that we are talking about. One there are two separate matters here that we are talking about. One are that we are talking about. One are the that we are talking about. One are the crimes that we are talking about. One are the crimes and that we are talking about. One are the crimes and these that we are talking about. One are the crimes and these people that we are talking about. One are the crimes and these people are that we are talking about. One are the crimes and these people are not the crimes and these people are not getting the crimes and these people are not getting compensated the crimes and these people are not getting compensated for the crimes and these people are not getting compensated for their the crimes and these people are not getting compensated for their crime. getting compensated for their crime. The getting compensated for their crime. The issue getting compensated for their crime. The issue that getting compensated for their crime. The issue that we getting compensated for their crime. The issue that we are getting compensated for their crime. The issue that we are talking getting compensated for their crime. The issue that we are talking about The issue that we are talking about here, The issue that we are talking about here, where The issue that we are talking about here, where the The issue that we are talking about here, where the compensation The issue that we are talking about here, where the compensation is The issue that we are talking about here, where the compensation is go, here, where the compensation is go, is here, where the compensation is go, is to here, where the compensation is go, is to where here, where the compensation is go, is to where people here, where the compensation is go, is to where people have here, where the compensation is go, is to where people have been is to where people have been assaulted is to where people have been assaulted or is to where people have been assaulted or abused is to where people have been assaulted or abused in is to where people have been assaulted or abused in state is to where people have been assaulted or abused in state care is to where people have been assaulted or abused in state care as assaulted or abused in state care as children. assaulted or abused in state care as children. We assaulted or abused in state care as children. We have assaulted or abused in state care as children. We have a assaulted or abused in state care as children. We have a legal assaulted or abused in state care as children. We have a legal obligation children. We have a legal obligation to children. We have a legal obligation to compensate children. We have a legal obligation to compensate them children. We have a legal obligation to compensate them if children. We have a legal obligation to compensate them if they children. We have a legal obligation to compensate them if they are children. We have a legal obligation to compensate them if they are found to compensate them if they are found to to compensate them if they are found to have to compensate them if they are found to have that to compensate them if they are found to have that - to compensate them if they are found to have that - their to compensate them if they are found to have that - their case to compensate them if they are found to have that - their case proven to compensate them if they are found to have that - their case proven and to have that - their case proven and as to have that - their case proven and as a to have that - their case proven and as a Government to have that - their case proven and as a Government we to have that - their case proven and as a Government we are to have that - their case proven and as a Government we are committed to have that - their case proven and as a Government we are committed to as a Government we are committed to abiding as a Government we are committed to abiding by as a Government we are committed to abiding by the as a Government we are committed to abiding by the law. ed ed What ed What confidence ed What confidence can ed What confidence can the ed What confidence can the public ed What confidence can the public have ed What confidence can the public have that ed What confidence can the public have that these ed What confidence can the public have that these offenders ed What confidence can the public have that these offenders that ed What confidence can the public have that these offenders that have have that these offenders that have recently have that these offenders that have recently received have that these offenders that have recently received large have that these offenders that have recently received large payments recently received large payments from recently received large payments from the recently received large payments from the Ministry recently received large payments from the Ministry of recently received large payments from the Ministry of Social from the Ministry of Social Development from the Ministry of Social Development on from the Ministry of Social Development on that from the Ministry of Social Development on that minister's Development on that minister's instruction Development on that minister's instruction won't Development on that minister's instruction won't continue Development on that minister's instruction won't continue to Development on that minister's instruction won't continue to create instruction won't continue to create more instruction won't continue to create more victims instruction won't continue to create more victims of instruction won't continue to create more victims of crime? more victims of crime? Order! more victims of crime? Order! That more victims of crime? Order! That is more victims of crime? Order! That is not more victims of crime? Order! That is not an more victims of crime? Order! That is not an area more victims of crime? Order! That is not an area the Order! That is not an area the minister Order! That is not an area the minister has Order! That is not an area the minister has responsibility Order! That is not an area the minister has responsibility for. minister has responsibility for. Supplementary. minister has responsibility for. Supplementary. What minister has responsibility for. Supplementary. What measures minister has responsibility for. Supplementary. What measures has minister has responsibility for. Supplementary. What measures has the Supplementary. What measures has the minister Supplementary. What measures has the minister taken Supplementary. What measures has the minister taken to Supplementary. What measures has the minister taken to ensure Supplementary. What measures has the minister taken to ensure that Supplementary. What measures has the minister taken to ensure that funds minister taken to ensure that funds that minister taken to ensure that funds that are minister taken to ensure that funds that are given minister taken to ensure that funds that are given to minister taken to ensure that funds that are given to New minister taken to ensure that funds that are given to New Zealand's that are given to New Zealand's worst that are given to New Zealand's worst offenders that are given to New Zealand's worst offenders will that are given to New Zealand's worst offenders will be that are given to New Zealand's worst offenders will be used worst offenders will be used appropriately worst offenders will be used appropriately and worst offenders will be used appropriately and won't worst offenders will be used appropriately and won't be worst offenders will be used appropriately and won't be used worst offenders will be used appropriately and won't be used to appropriately and won't be used to commit appropriately and won't be used to commit further appropriately and won't be used to commit further crime appropriately and won't be used to commit further crime and appropriately and won't be used to commit further crime and create appropriately and won't be used to commit further crime and create more commit further crime and create more victims? victims? Mr victims? Mr Speaker, victims? Mr Speaker, every victims? Mr Speaker, every action victims? Mr Speaker, every action that victims? Mr Speaker, every action that this Mr Speaker, every action that this government Mr Speaker, every action that this government has Mr Speaker, every action that this government has undertaken Mr Speaker, every action that this government has undertaken is Mr Speaker, every action that this government has undertaken is within government has undertaken is within the government has undertaken is within the law. government has undertaken is within the law. I government has undertaken is within the law. I do government has undertaken is within the law. I do need government has undertaken is within the law. I do need to government has undertaken is within the law. I do need to make government has undertaken is within the law. I do need to make the government has undertaken is within the law. I do need to make the point the law. I do need to make the point that government has undertaken is within the law. I do need to make the point the law. I do need to make the point that National the law. I do need to make the point that National has the law. I do need to make the point that National has also the law. I do need to make the point that National has also always that National has also always supported that National has also always supported compensating that National has also always supported compensating these supported compensating these prisoners, supported compensating these prisoners, so supported compensating these prisoners, so let's supported compensating these prisoners, so let's make supported compensating these prisoners, so let's make that supported compensating these prisoners, so let's make that clear. prisoners, so let's make that clear. However, prisoners, so let's make that clear. However, National prisoners, so let's make that clear. However, National wanted prisoners, so let's make that clear. However, National wanted restriction However, National wanted restriction but However, National wanted restriction but all However, National wanted restriction but all the However, National wanted restriction but all the advice However, National wanted restriction but all the advice that However, National wanted restriction but all the advice that they However, National wanted restriction but all the advice that they were but all the advice that they were given but all the advice that they were given whilst but all the advice that they were given whilst in but all the advice that they were given whilst in government but all the advice that they were given whilst in government is but all the advice that they were given whilst in government is that given whilst in government is that the given whilst in government is that the law given whilst in government is that the law wouldn't given whilst in government is that the law wouldn't allow given whilst in government is that the law wouldn't allow them given whilst in government is that the law wouldn't allow them to the law wouldn't allow them to achieve the law wouldn't allow them to achieve what the law wouldn't allow them to achieve what they the law wouldn't allow them to achieve what they wanted. the law wouldn't allow them to achieve what they wanted. Their the law wouldn't allow them to achieve what they wanted. Their plan achieve what they wanted. Their plan was achieve what they wanted. Their plan was a achieve what they wanted. Their plan was a failure, achieve what they wanted. Their plan was a failure, this achieve what they wanted. Their plan was a failure, this government achieve what they wanted. Their plan was a failure, this government is was a failure, this government is abiding was a failure, this government is abiding by was a failure, this government is abiding by the was a failure, this government is abiding by the law. 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Louis Upston, you have one of your own members asking a question your own members asking a question and your own members asking a question and continuing your own members asking a question and continuing a your own members asking a question and continuing a debate your own members asking a question and continuing a debate when your own members asking a question and continuing a debate when that and continuing a debate when that happens and continuing a debate when that happens is and continuing a debate when that happens is not and continuing a debate when that happens is not a and continuing a debate when that happens is not a good and continuing a debate when that happens is not a good thing and continuing a debate when that happens is not a good thing to and continuing a debate when that happens is not a good thing to do. happens is not a good thing to do. Jami-Lee happens is not a good thing to do. Jami-Lee Ross. 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Mr later, it will be longer than might normally be allowed. Mr Speaker, normally be allowed. Mr Speaker, yes. normally be allowed. Mr Speaker, yes. The normally be allowed. Mr Speaker, yes. The member's normally be allowed. Mr Speaker, yes. The member's question normally be allowed. Mr Speaker, yes. The member's question assumes yes. The member's question assumes there yes. The member's question assumes there was yes. The member's question assumes there was a yes. The member's question assumes there was a conflict yes. The member's question assumes there was a conflict to yes. The member's question assumes there was a conflict to be yes. The member's question assumes there was a conflict to be managed. there was a conflict to be managed. As there was a conflict to be managed. As the there was a conflict to be managed. As the member there was a conflict to be managed. As the member heard there was a conflict to be managed. As the member heard in there was a conflict to be managed. 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If the member has any evidence to back up his claims, I evidence to back up his claims, I urge evidence to back up his claims, I urge him evidence to back up his claims, I urge him to evidence to back up his claims, I urge him to provide evidence to back up his claims, I urge him to provide it evidence to back up his claims, I urge him to provide it to evidence to back up his claims, I urge him to provide it to the urge him to provide it to the commissioner urge him to provide it to the commissioner as urge him to provide it to the commissioner as he urge him to provide it to the commissioner as he has urge him to provide it to the commissioner as he has been commissioner as he has been requested commissioner as he has been requested to commissioner as he has been requested to do. requested to do. When requested to do. When he requested to do. When he confirmed requested to do. When he confirmed on requested to do. When he confirmed on 16 requested to do. 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I have been asewered by officials there is an appropriate officials there is an appropriate process officials there is an appropriate process in officials there is an appropriate process in place officials there is an appropriate process in place and officials there is an appropriate process in place and they officials there is an appropriate process in place and they will process in place and they will report process in place and they will report at process in place and they will report at the process in place and they will report at the appropriate process in place and they will report at the appropriate time. report at the appropriate time. When report at the appropriate time. When he report at the appropriate time. When he confirmed report at the appropriate time. When he confirmed on report at the appropriate time. When he confirmed on 16 report at the appropriate time. When he confirmed on 16 December When he confirmed on 16 December that When he confirmed on 16 December that interviews When he confirmed on 16 December that interviews were When he confirmed on 16 December that interviews were to When he confirmed on 16 December that interviews were to take When he confirmed on 16 December that interviews were to take place, that interviews were to take place, did that interviews were to take place, did he that interviews were to take place, did he appraise that interviews were to take place, did he appraise himself that interviews were to take place, did he appraise himself of that interviews were to take place, did he appraise himself of the that interviews were to take place, did he appraise himself of the fact did he appraise himself of the fact that did he appraise himself of the fact that remuneration did he appraise himself of the fact that remuneration in did he appraise himself of the fact that remuneration in additional that remuneration in additional allowances that remuneration in additional allowances were that remuneration in additional allowances were part that remuneration in additional allowances were part of that remuneration in additional allowances were part of the that remuneration in additional allowances were part of the audit allowances were part of the audit that allowances were part of the audit that was allowances were part of the audit that was being allowances were part of the audit that was being reviewed? that was being reviewed? Mr that was being reviewed? Mr Speaker, that was being reviewed? Mr Speaker, I that was being reviewed? Mr Speaker, I was that was being reviewed? Mr Speaker, I was assured that was being reviewed? Mr Speaker, I was assured by Mr Speaker, I was assured by official Mr Speaker, I was assured by official that Mr Speaker, I was assured by official that the Mr Speaker, I was assured by official that the appropriate official that the appropriate process official that the appropriate process was official that the appropriate process was in official that the appropriate process was in place. official that the appropriate process was in place. I official that the appropriate process was in place. I don't official that the appropriate process was in place. I don't see official that the appropriate process was in place. I don't see it process was in place. I don't see it the process was in place. I don't see it the role process was in place. I don't see it the role of process was in place. I don't see it the role of the process was in place. I don't see it the role of the minister process was in place. I don't see it the role of the minister to the role of the minister to interfere the role of the minister to interfere in the role of the minister to interfere in an the role of the minister to interfere in an appropriate the role of the minister to interfere in an appropriate process, interfere in an appropriate process, and interfere in an appropriate process, and so interfere in an appropriate process, and so I interfere in an appropriate process, and so I did interfere in an appropriate process, and so I did not interfere in an appropriate process, and so I did not interfere. and so I did not interfere. Did and so I did not interfere. Did he and so I did not interfere. Did he read and so I did not interfere. Did he read the and so I did not interfere. Did he read the memo and so I did not interfere. Did he read the memo to and so I did not interfere. Did he read the memo to him and so I did not interfere. Did he read the memo to him dated and so I did not interfere. Did he read the memo to him dated 15 Did he read the memo to him dated 15 December Did he read the memo to him dated 15 December 2017 Did he read the memo to him dated 15 December 2017 which Did he read the memo to him dated 15 December 2017 which specifically December 2017 which specifically referenced December 2017 which specifically referenced inappropriate December 2017 which specifically referenced inappropriate activity referenced inappropriate activity around referenced inappropriate activity around the referenced inappropriate activity around the quote, referenced inappropriate activity around the quote, "Australia around the quote, "Australia Ryisation around the quote, "Australia Ryisation of around the quote, "Australia Ryisation of salary around the quote, "Australia Ryisation of salary increases, Ryisation of salary increases, allowances Ryisation of salary increases, allowances and Ryisation of salary increases, allowances and benefits" Ryisation of salary increases, allowances and benefits" which Ryisation of salary increases, allowances and benefits" which were allowances and benefits" which were the allowances and benefits" which were the subject allowances and benefits" which were the subject of allowances and benefits" which were the subject of the allowances and benefits" which were the subject of the audit allowances and benefits" which were the subject of the audit reviewed allowances and benefits" which were the subject of the audit reviewed by the subject of the audit reviewed by Beattie the subject of the audit reviewed by Beattie Varley the subject of the audit reviewed by Beattie Varley - the subject of the audit reviewed by Beattie Varley - did the subject of the audit reviewed by Beattie Varley - did he the subject of the audit reviewed by Beattie Varley - did he read the subject of the audit reviewed by Beattie Varley - did he read the Beattie Varley - did he read the memo? Beattie Varley - did he read the memo? Mr Beattie Varley - did he read the memo? Mr Speaker Beattie Varley - did he read the memo? Mr Speaker t Beattie Varley - did he read the memo? Mr Speaker t member Beattie Varley - did he read the memo? Mr Speaker t member should Beattie Varley - did he read the memo? Mr Speaker t member should not memo? Mr Speaker t member should not be memo? Mr Speaker t member should not be playing memo? Mr Speaker t member should not be playing politics memo? Mr Speaker t member should not be playing politics while memo? Mr Speaker t member should not be playing politics while this be playing politics while this matter be playing politics while this matter is be playing politics while this matter is being be playing politics while this matter is being looked be playing politics while this matter is being looked into be playing politics while this matter is being looked into by be playing politics while this matter is being looked into by the matter is being looked into by the State matter is being looked into by the State Service matter is being looked into by the State Service Commission. 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I asked if he read a memo, I gave the of order, Jami-Lee Ross. I asked if he read a memo, I gave the date of order, Jami-Lee Ross. I asked if he read a memo, I gave the date t he read a memo, I gave the date t author he read a memo, I gave the date t author and he read a memo, I gave the date t author and subject he read a memo, I gave the date t author and subject matter he read a memo, I gave the date t author and subject matter and he read a memo, I gave the date t author and subject matter and he author and subject matter and he didn't author and subject matter and he didn't address author and subject matter and he didn't address it. didn't address it. Mr didn't address it. Mr Speaker, didn't address it. Mr Speaker, I didn't address it. Mr Speaker, I can't didn't address it. Mr Speaker, I can't recall didn't address it. Mr Speaker, I can't recall the didn't address it. Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact context Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact context of Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact context of that Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact context of that memo. Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact context of that memo. I Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact context of that memo. I tend Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact context of that memo. I tend to Mr Speaker, I can't recall the exact context of that memo. I tend to read context of that memo. I tend to read the context of that memo. I tend to read the memos context of that memo. I tend to read the memos that context of that memo. I tend to read the memos that come context of that memo. I tend to read the memos that come through context of that memo. I tend to read the memos that come through my the memos that come through my office. the memos that come through my office. I the memos that come through my office. I am the memos that come through my office. I am aware the memos that come through my office. I am aware there's the memos that come through my office. I am aware there's been office. I am aware there's been allegations office. I am aware there's been allegations of office. I am aware there's been allegations of financial allegations of financial mismanagement allegations of financial mismanagement at allegations of financial mismanagement at the allegations of financial mismanagement at the Counties mismanagement at the Counties Manukau mismanagement at the Counties Manukau DHB. mismanagement at the Counties Manukau DHB. I've mismanagement at the Counties Manukau DHB. I've also mismanagement at the Counties Manukau DHB. I've also been mismanagement at the Counties Manukau DHB. I've also been assured Manukau DHB. I've also been assured by Manukau DHB. I've also been assured by officials Manukau DHB. I've also been assured by officials an Manukau DHB. I've also been assured by officials an appropriate Manukau DHB. I've also been assured by officials an appropriate process by officials an appropriate process is by officials an appropriate process is in by officials an appropriate process is in place by officials an appropriate process is in place to by officials an appropriate process is in place to work by officials an appropriate process is in place to work through by officials an appropriate process is in place to work through those is in place to work through those allegations is in place to work through those allegations and is in place to work through those allegations and that is in place to work through those allegations and that they is in place to work through those allegations and that they will allegations and that they will report allegations and that they will report back allegations and that they will report back to allegations and that they will report back to me allegations and that they will report back to me at allegations and that they will report back to me at an allegations and that they will report back to me at an appropriate report back to me at an appropriate point report back to me at an appropriate point in report back to me at an appropriate point in time. point in time. Was point in time. Was he point in time. Was he aware point in time. Was he aware that point in time. Was he aware that the point in time. Was he aware that the internal point in time. Was he aware that the internal audit Was he aware that the internal audit reviewed Was he aware that the internal audit reviewed by Was he aware that the internal audit reviewed by Beattie Was he aware that the internal audit reviewed by Beattie Varley Was he aware that the internal audit reviewed by Beattie Varley audited reviewed by Beattie Varley audited in reviewed by Beattie Varley audited in part reviewed by Beattie Varley audited in part transactions reviewed by Beattie Varley audited in part transactions dating reviewed by Beattie Varley audited in part transactions dating back reviewed by Beattie Varley audited in part transactions dating back to in part transactions dating back to 1999, in part transactions dating back to 1999, a in part transactions dating back to 1999, a time in part transactions dating back to 1999, a time period in part transactions dating back to 1999, a time period covered in part transactions dating back to 1999, a time period covered by 1999, a time period covered by Stephen 1999, a time period covered by Stephen McKernan 1999, a time period covered by Stephen McKernan as 1999, a time period covered by Stephen McKernan as CEO? 1999, a time period covered by Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr 1999, a time period covered by Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr Speaker, Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr Speaker, as Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr Speaker, as the Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr Speaker, as the member Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr Speaker, as the member heard Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr Speaker, as the member heard in Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr Speaker, as the member heard in the Stephen McKernan as CEO? Mr Speaker, as the member heard in the House as the member heard in the House yesterday, as the member heard in the House yesterday, my as the member heard in the House yesterday, my office as the member heard in the House yesterday, my office has as the member heard in the House yesterday, my office has been yesterday, my office has been advised yesterday, my office has been advised that yesterday, my office has been advised that the yesterday, my office has been advised that the substance yesterday, my office has been advised that the substance of yesterday, my office has been advised that the substance of the advised that the substance of the draft advised that the substance of the draft review advised that the substance of the draft review does advised that the substance of the draft review does not advised that the substance of the draft review does not cover advised that the substance of the draft review does not cover the draft review does not cover the period draft review does not cover the period of draft review does not cover the period of time draft review does not cover the period of time the draft review does not cover the period of time the previous draft review does not cover the period of time the previous Acting period of time the previous Acting Director-General period of time the previous Acting Director-General spent period of time the previous Acting Director-General spent at period of time the previous Acting Director-General spent at Chief Director-General spent at Chief Executive Director-General spent at Chief Executive of Director-General spent at Chief Executive of Counties Director-General spent at Chief Executive of Counties Manukau Director-General spent at Chief Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. Has Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. Has the Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. Has the minister, Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. Has the minister, when Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. Has the minister, when he Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. Has the minister, when he learned Has the minister, when he learned about Has the minister, when he learned about the Has the minister, when he learned about the Beattie Has the minister, when he learned about the Beattie Varley Has the minister, when he learned about the Beattie Varley review, about the Beattie Varley review, and, about the Beattie Varley review, and, according about the Beattie Varley review, and, according to about the Beattie Varley review, and, according to answers about the Beattie Varley review, and, according to answers given and, according to answers given yesterday and, according to answers given yesterday on and, according to answers given yesterday on his and, according to answers given yesterday on his behalf, and, according to answers given yesterday on his behalf, where and, according to answers given yesterday on his behalf, where he and, according to answers given and, and, according to answers given confirmed an interview and, according to answers given confirmed an interview process and, according to answers given confirmed an interview process was confirmed an interview process was to confirmed an interview process was to proceed, confirmed an interview process was to proceed, did confirmed an interview process was to proceed, did he confirmed an interview process was to proceed, did he take confirmed an interview process was to proceed, did he take any confirmed an interview process was to proceed, did he take any steps confirmed an interview process was to proceed, did he take any steps to to proceed, did he take any steps to learn to proceed, did he take any steps to learn about to proceed, did he take any steps to learn about the to proceed, did he take any steps to learn about the audit, to proceed, did he take any steps to learn about the audit, understand learn about the audit, understand what learn about the audit, understand what issues learn about the audit, understand what issues were learn about the audit, understand what issues were involved, learn about the audit, understand what issues were involved, and what issues were involved, and ensure what issues were involved, and ensure conflicts what issues were involved, and ensure conflicts of what issues were involved, and ensure conflicts of interest what issues were involved, and ensure conflicts of interest were ensure conflicts of interest were managed ensure conflicts of interest were managed given ensure conflicts of interest were managed given the ensure conflicts of interest were managed given the time ensure conflicts of interest were managed given the time period managed given the time period relating managed given the time period relating back managed given the time period relating back to managed given the time period relating back to when managed given the time period relating back to when the managed given the time period relating back to when the Acting relating back to when the Acting Director-General relating back to when the Acting Director-General was relating back to when the Acting Director-General was the relating back to when the Acting Director-General was the C relating back to when the Acting Director-General was the C O relating back to when the Acting Director-General was the C O of relating back to when the Acting Director-General was the C O of that Director-General was the C O of that DHB? DHB? My DHB? My office DHB? My office -- DHB? My office -- CEO DHB? My office -- CEO of DHB? My office -- CEO of that DHB? My office -- CEO of that DHB? My office -- CEO of that DHB? It My office -- CEO of that DHB? It does My office -- CEO of that DHB? It does not My office -- CEO of that DHB? It does not cover My office -- CEO of that DHB? It does not cover the My office -- CEO of that DHB? It does not cover the period My office -- CEO of that DHB? It does not cover the period of My office -- CEO of that DHB? It does not cover the period of the It does not cover the period of the time It does not cover the period of the time he It does not cover the period of the time he spent It does not cover the period of the time he spent as It does not cover the period of the time he spent as Chief It does not cover the period of the time he spent as Chief Executive It does not cover the period of the time he spent as Chief Executive of time he spent as Chief Executive of Counties time he spent as Chief Executive of Counties Manukau time he spent as Chief Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. time he spent as Chief Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. If time he spent as Chief Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. If he time he spent as Chief Executive of Counties Manukau DHB. If he has Counties Manukau DHB. If he has evidence Counties Manukau DHB. If he has evidence to Counties Manukau DHB. If he has evidence to back Counties Manukau DHB. If he has evidence to back up Counties Manukau DHB. If he has evidence to back up claims, Counties Manukau DHB. If he has evidence to back up claims, I Counties Manukau DHB. If he has evidence to back up claims, I urge evidence to back up claims, I urge him evidence to back up claims, I urge him to evidence to back up claims, I urge him to provide evidence to back up claims, I urge him to provide it evidence to back up claims, I urge him to provide it to evidence to back up claims, I urge him to provide it to the him to provide it to the commissioner, him to provide it to the commissioner, as him to provide it to the commissioner, as he him to provide it to the commissioner, as he has him to provide it to the commissioner, as he has been commissioner, as he has been requested commissioner, as he has been requested to commissioner, as he has been requested to do. requested to do. Mr requested to do. Mr Speaker, requested to do. Mr Speaker, I requested to do. Mr Speaker, I seek requested to do. Mr Speaker, I seek leave requested to do. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to requested to do. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table requested to do. Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a memo Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a memo to Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a memo to the Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a memo to the Minister Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a memo to the Minister of Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a memo to the Minister of Health Mr Speaker, I seek leave to table a memo to the Minister of Health from memo to the Minister of Health from Dr memo to the Minister of Health from Dr Levey memo to the Minister of Health from Dr Levey regarding memo to the Minister of Health from Dr Levey regarding financial memo to the Minister of Health from Dr Levey regarding financial issues Dr Levey regarding financial issues that Dr Levey regarding financial issues that Counties Dr Levey regarding financial issues that Counties Manukau Dr Levey regarding financial issues that Counties Manukau DHB Dr Levey regarding financial issues that Counties Manukau DHB dated Dr Levey regarding financial issues that Counties Manukau DHB dated 15 that Counties Manukau DHB dated 15 December that Counties Manukau DHB dated 15 December 2017. December 2017. Is December 2017. Is there December 2017. Is there any December 2017. Is there any objection December 2017. Is there any objection to December 2017. Is there any objection to that December 2017. Is there any objection to that being Is there any objection to that being tableed? Is there any objection to that being tableed? There Is there any objection to that being tableed? There appears Is there any objection to that being tableed? There appears to Is there any objection to that being tableed? There appears to be Is there any objection to that being tableed? There appears to be none. tableed? There appears to be none. It tableed? There appears to be none. It may tableed? There appears to be none. It may be tableed? There appears to be none. It may be tabled. tableed? There appears to be none. It may be tabled. Point tableed? There appears to be none. It may be tabled. Point of tableed? There appears to be none. It may be tabled. Point of order, tableed? There appears to be none. It may be tabled. Point of order, Mr It may be tabled. Point of order, Mr Speaker. It may be tabled. Point of order, Mr Speaker. I It may be tabled. Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek It may be tabled. Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave It may be tabled. Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to It may be tabled. Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to table It may be tabled. Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to table a Speaker. I seek leave to table a document Speaker. I seek leave to table a document which Speaker. I seek leave to table a document which has Speaker. I seek leave to table a document which has been Speaker. I seek leave to table a document which has been redacted Speaker. I seek leave to table a document which has been redacted to document which has been redacted to remove document which has been redacted to remove the document which has been redacted to remove the name document which has been redacted to remove the name of document which has been redacted to remove the name of a document which has been redacted to remove the name of a senior remove the name of a senior executive remove the name of a senior executive subject remove the name of a senior executive subject to remove the name of a senior executive subject to review. remove the name of a senior executive subject to review. The executive subject to review. The title executive subject to review. The title of executive subject to review. The title of this executive subject to review. The title of this document executive subject to review. The title of this document is executive subject to review. The title of this document is Salary executive subject to review. The title of this document is Salary and title of this document is Salary and Allowance title of this document is Salary and Allowance Validation title of this document is Salary and Allowance Validation as title of this document is Salary and Allowance Validation as part title of this document is Salary and Allowance Validation as part of Allowance Validation as part of investigation Allowance Validation as part of investigation notes Allowance Validation as part of investigation notes from Allowance Validation as part of investigation notes from a Allowance Validation as part of investigation notes from a regional investigation notes from a regional internal investigation notes from a regional internal audit investigation notes from a regional internal audit dated investigation notes from a regional internal audit dated 7 investigation notes from a regional internal audit dated 7 May investigation notes from a regional internal audit dated 7 May 2017. internal audit dated 7 May 2017. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Commerce My question is to the Minister of Commerce and My question is to the Minister of Commerce and Consumer My question is to the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs: My question is to the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What is Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What is the Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What is the Government Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What is the Government doing Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What is the Government doing to Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What is the Government doing to address is the Government doing to address predatory is the Government doing to address predatory lending is the Government doing to address predatory lending practices? The The Hon The Hon Kris The Hon Kris Faafoi. The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last week The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last week I The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last week I released The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last week I released a The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last week I released a discussion The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last week I released a discussion paper The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last week I released a discussion paper from The Hon Kris Faafoi. Last week I released a discussion paper from the released a discussion paper from the Credits released a discussion paper from the Credits Contracts released a discussion paper from the Credits Contracts and released a discussion paper from the Credits Contracts and Consumer Credits Contracts and Consumer Finance Credits Contracts and Consumer Finance Act, Credits Contracts and Consumer Finance Act, and Credits Contracts and Consumer Finance Act, and the Credits Contracts and Consumer Finance Act, and the Government Credits Contracts and Consumer Finance Act, and the Government is Finance Act, and the Government is looking Finance Act, and the Government is looking to Finance Act, and the Government is looking to protect Finance Act, and the Government is looking to protect consumers looking to protect consumers including looking to protect consumers including a looking to protect consumers including a cap looking to protect consumers including a cap on looking to protect consumers including a cap on fees, including a cap on fees, strengthening including a cap on fees, strengthening responsible including a cap on fees, strengthening responsible lending strengthening responsible lending and strengthening responsible lending and more strengthening responsible lending and more requirements strengthening responsible lending and more requirements for strengthening responsible lending and more requirements for access. and more requirements for access. These and more requirements for access. These accesses and more requirements for access. These accesses are and more requirements for access. These accesses are causing and more requirements for access. These accesses are causing harm and more requirements for access. These accesses are causing harm and These accesses are causing harm and distress. distress. Supplementary. distress. Supplementary. What distress. Supplementary. What evidence distress. Supplementary. What evidence has distress. Supplementary. What evidence has he Supplementary. What evidence has he heard Supplementary. What evidence has he heard that Supplementary. What evidence has he heard that suggests Supplementary. What evidence has he heard that suggests the Supplementary. What evidence has he heard that suggests the 2015 heard that suggests the 2015 amendments heard that suggests the 2015 amendments to heard that suggests the 2015 amendments to the heard that suggests the 2015 amendments to the CCFA heard that suggests the 2015 amendments to the CCFA did heard that suggests the 2015 amendments to the CCFA did not heard that suggests the 2015 amendments to the CCFA did not go amendments to the CCFA did not go far amendments to the CCFA did not go far enough? far enough? The far enough? The review far enough? The review confirmed far enough? The review confirmed what far enough? The review confirmed what I've far enough? 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Without exception there is acknowledgement the 2015 there is acknowledgement the 2015 reforms there is acknowledgement the 2015 reforms did there is acknowledgement the 2015 reforms did not there is acknowledgement the 2015 reforms did not go there is acknowledgement the 2015 reforms did not go far there is acknowledgement the 2015 reforms did not go far enough there is acknowledgement the 2015 reforms did not go far enough and reforms did not go far enough and they reforms did not go far enough and they support reforms did not go far enough and they support this reforms did not go far enough and they support this Government's they support this Government's action they support this Government's action to they support this Government's action to stop they support this Government's action to stop these they support this Government's action to stop these predatory action to stop these predatory practices. action to stop these predatory practices. 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I collection practices to have their say. I also collection practices to have their say. I also want collection practices to have their say. I also want lenders collection practices to have their say. I also want lenders and collection practices to have their say. I also want lenders and the say. I also want lenders and the financial say. I also want lenders and the financial sector say. I also want lenders and the financial sector to say. I also want lenders and the financial sector to submit, say. I also want lenders and the financial sector to submit, we say. I also want lenders and the financial sector to submit, we did financial sector to submit, we did not financial sector to submit, we did not plan financial sector to submit, we did not plan to financial sector to submit, we did not plan to stop financial sector to submit, we did not plan to stop people financial sector to submit, we did not plan to stop people lending, financial sector to submit, we did not plan to stop people lending, so not plan to stop people lending, so we not plan to stop people lending, so we want not plan to stop people lending, so we want to not plan to stop people lending, so we want to hear not plan to stop people lending, so we want to hear how not plan to stop people lending, so we want to hear how we not plan to stop people lending, so we want to hear how we can not plan to stop people lending, so we want to hear how we can both not plan to stop people lending, so we want to hear how we can both keep we want to hear how we can both keep people we want to hear how we can both keep people safe we want to hear how we can both keep people safe in we want to hear how we can both keep people safe in borrowing we want to hear how we can both keep people safe in borrowing and we want to hear how we can both keep people safe in borrowing and support people safe in borrowing and support honest people safe in borrowing and support honest business. 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This government believes that Maori students believes that Maori students regardless believes that Maori students regardless of believes that Maori students regardless of where believes that Maori students regardless of where they believes that Maori students regardless of where they go believes that Maori students regardless of where they go to regardless of where they go to school regardless of where they go to school are regardless of where they go to school are entitled regardless of where they go to school are entitled to regardless of where they go to school are entitled to a regardless of where they go to school are entitled to a world regardless of where they go to school are entitled to a world class school are entitled to a world class education, school are entitled to a world class education, so school are entitled to a world class education, so that school are entitled to a world class education, so that they school are entitled to a world class education, so that they can school are entitled to a world class education, so that they can fulfil education, so that they can fulfil their education, so that they can fulfil their full education, so that they can fulfil their full potential. education, so that they can fulfil their full potential. 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I have spoken to some to everyone with regard to the NCA. I have spoken to some of to everyone with regard to the NCA. I have spoken to some of the I have spoken to some of the principals I have spoken to some of the principals who I have spoken to some of the principals who have I have spoken to some of the principals who have been I have spoken to some of the principals who have been signatories principals who have been signatories to principals who have been signatories to that principals who have been signatories to that advertisement principals who have been signatories to that advertisement that principals who have been signatories to that advertisement that appeared to that advertisement that appeared and to that advertisement that appeared and they to that advertisement that appeared and they made to that advertisement that appeared and they made it to that advertisement that appeared and they made it clear to that advertisement that appeared and they made it clear to to that advertisement that appeared and they made it clear to me to that advertisement that appeared and they made it clear to me their and they made it clear to me their view and they made it clear to me their view to and they made it clear to me their view to almost and they made it clear to me their view to almost directly and they made it clear to me their view to almost directly quote and they made it clear to me their view to almost directly quote one and they made it clear to me their view to almost directly quote one of view to almost directly quote one of the view to almost directly quote one of the principals view to almost directly quote one of the principals I view to almost directly quote one of the principals I spoke view to almost directly quote one of the principals I spoke to, view to almost directly quote one of the principals I spoke to, that view to almost directly quote one of the principals I spoke to, that the the principals I spoke to, that the principals the principals I spoke to, that the principals should the principals I spoke to, that the principals should have the principals I spoke to, that the principals should have been the principals I spoke to, that the principals should have been O'Connor principals should have been O'Connor first, principals should have been O'Connor first, they principals should have been O'Connor first, they should principals should have been O'Connor first, they should have principals should have been O'Connor first, they should have come principals should have been O'Connor first, they should have come up principals should have been O'Connor first, they should have come up with first, they should have come up with the first, they should have come up with the recommendations, first, they should have come up with the recommendations, government the recommendations, government should the recommendations, government should have the recommendations, government should have given the recommendations, government should have given them the recommendations, government should have given them feedback the recommendations, government should have given them feedback and should have given them feedback and then should have given them feedback and then they should have given them feedback and then they made should have given them feedback and then they made the should have given them feedback and then they made the decision. should have given them feedback and then they made the decision. The then they made the decision. The Government then they made the decision. The Government disagrees then they made the decision. The Government disagrees with then they made the decision. The Government disagrees with that Government disagrees with that approach. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Agriculture: My question is to the Associate Minister of Agriculture: What My question is to the Associate Minister of Agriculture: What extra Minister of Agriculture: What extra steps, Minister of Agriculture: What extra steps, if Minister of Agriculture: What extra steps, if any, Minister of Agriculture: What extra steps, if any, are Minister of Agriculture: What extra steps, if any, are MPI Minister of Agriculture: What extra steps, if any, are MPI taking Minister of Agriculture: What extra steps, if any, are MPI taking to steps, if any, are MPI taking to ensure steps, if any, are MPI taking to ensure animal steps, if any, are MPI taking to ensure animal abuse steps, if any, are MPI taking to ensure animal abuse in steps, if any, are MPI taking to ensure animal abuse in the steps, if any, are MPI taking to ensure animal abuse in the farming ensure animal abuse in the farming sector ensure animal abuse in the farming sector is ensure animal abuse in the farming sector is identified ensure animal abuse in the farming sector is identified and ensure animal abuse in the farming sector is identified and addressed sector is identified and addressed effectively sector is identified and addressed effectively and sector is identified and addressed effectively and without sector is identified and addressed effectively and without delay, effectively and without delay, following effectively and without delay, following the effectively and without delay, following the footage effectively and without delay, following the footage released effectively and without delay, following the footage released over following the footage released over the following the footage released over the last following the footage released over the last week following the footage released over the last week by following the footage released over the last week by SAFE following the footage released over the last week by SAFE and following the footage released over the last week by SAFE and Farmwatch? The The video The video footage The video footage pertaining The video footage pertaining to The video footage pertaining to the The video footage pertaining to the Northland The video footage pertaining to the Northland farmer The video footage pertaining to the Northland farmer released The video footage pertaining to the Northland farmer released by The video footage pertaining to the Northland farmer released by SAFE Northland farmer released by SAFE and Northland farmer released by SAFE and Farmwatch Northland farmer released by SAFE and Farmwatch is Northland farmer released by SAFE and Farmwatch is currently Northland farmer released by SAFE and Farmwatch is currently being and Farmwatch is currently being investigated and Farmwatch is currently being investigated by and Farmwatch is currently being investigated by MPI. and Farmwatch is currently being investigated by MPI. Last and Farmwatch is currently being investigated by MPI. Last week and Farmwatch is currently being investigated by MPI. Last week I investigated by MPI. Last week I identified investigated by MPI. Last week I identified four investigated by MPI. Last week I identified four pillars, investigated by MPI. Last week I identified four pillars, independent identified four pillars, independent visions, identified four pillars, independent visions, strengthening identified four pillars, independent visions, strengthening codes identified four pillars, independent visions, strengthening codes across visions, strengthening codes across all visions, strengthening codes across all uses visions, strengthening codes across all uses of visions, strengthening codes across all uses of animals visions, strengthening codes across all uses of animals ensuring visions, strengthening codes across all uses of animals ensuring they all uses of animals ensuring they set all uses of animals ensuring they set high all uses of animals ensuring they set high standards all uses of animals ensuring they set high standards underpinned all uses of animals ensuring they set high standards underpinned by set high standards underpinned by effective set high standards underpinned by effective monitoring set high standards underpinned by effective monitoring and set high standards underpinned by effective monitoring and enforcement effective monitoring and enforcement and effective monitoring and enforcement and capacity effective monitoring and enforcement and capacity building effective monitoring and enforcement and capacity building to effective monitoring and enforcement and capacity building to ensure and capacity building to ensure people and capacity building to ensure people have and capacity building to ensure people have the and capacity building to ensure people have the skills and capacity building to ensure people have the skills and and capacity building to ensure people have the skills and capacity people have the skills and capacity to people have the skills and capacity to meet people have the skills and capacity to meet animal people have the skills and capacity to meet animal welfare people have the skills and capacity to meet animal welfare standards. people have the skills and capacity to meet animal welfare standards. I to meet animal welfare standards. I am to meet animal welfare standards. I am engaging to meet animal welfare standards. I am engaging with to meet animal welfare standards. I am engaging with the to meet animal welfare standards. I am engaging with the chief am engaging with the chief executives am engaging with the chief executives forum am engaging with the chief executives forum so am engaging with the chief executives forum so they am engaging with the chief executives forum so they are am engaging with the chief executives forum so they are clear executives forum so they are clear on executives forum so they are clear on my executives forum so they are clear on my expectations executives forum so they are clear on my expectations that executives forum so they are clear on my expectations that they executives forum so they are clear on my expectations that they will on my expectations that they will provide on my expectations that they will provide industry on my expectations that they will provide industry leadership on my expectations that they will provide industry leadership as on my expectations that they will provide industry leadership as well provide industry leadership as well as provide industry leadership as well as being provide industry leadership as well as being involved provide industry leadership as well as being involved in provide industry leadership as well as being involved in the provide industry leadership as well as being involved in the development as being involved in the development of as being involved in the development of the as being involved in the development of the framework. as being involved in the development of the framework. Does as being involved in the development of the framework. Does she as being involved in the development of the framework. Does she agree of the framework. Does she agree that of the framework. Does she agree that this of the framework. Does she agree that this case of the framework. Does she agree that this case highlights of the framework. Does she agree that this case highlights the of the framework. Does she agree that this case highlights the need that this case highlights the need to that this case highlights the need to establish that this case highlights the need to establish an that this case highlights the need to establish an independent to establish an independent commissioner to establish an independent commissioner for to establish an independent commissioner for animals to establish an independent commissioner for animals to to establish an independent commissioner for animals to promote commissioner for animals to promote oversight commissioner for animals to promote oversight of commissioner for animals to promote oversight of welfare commissioner for animals to promote oversight of welfare issues commissioner for animals to promote oversight of welfare issues and commissioner for animals to promote oversight of welfare issues and be commissioner for animals to promote oversight of welfare issues and be a oversight of welfare issues and be a voice oversight of welfare issues and be a voice for oversight of welfare issues and be a voice for animals? oversight of welfare issues and be a voice for animals? Since oversight of welfare issues and be a voice for animals? Since becoming voice for animals? Since becoming the voice for animals? Since becoming the minister voice for animals? Since becoming the minister responsible voice for animals? Since becoming the minister responsible for voice for animals? 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Will she consider amending the law to allow CCTV amending the law to allow CCTV surveillance amending the law to allow CCTV surveillance on amending the law to allow CCTV surveillance on farms amending the law to allow CCTV surveillance on farms and amending the law to allow CCTV surveillance on farms and slaughter surveillance on farms and slaughter surveillance on farms and slaughter surveillance on farms and slaughter Yahoos as surveillance on farms and slaughter Yahoos as is surveillance on farms and slaughter Yahoos as is happening surveillance on farms and slaughter Yahoos as is happening in surveillance on farms and slaughter Yahoos as is happening in France, Yahoos as is happening in France, the Yahoos as is happening in France, the UK Yahoos as is happening in France, the UK and Yahoos as is happening in France, the UK and Israel, Yahoos as is happening in France, the UK and Israel, or Yahoos as is happening in France, the UK and Israel, or promote Yahoos as is happening in France, the UK and Israel, or promote the the UK and Israel, or promote the use the UK and Israel, or promote the use of the UK and Israel, or promote the use of cameras the UK and Israel, or promote the use of cameras with the UK and Israel, or promote the use of cameras with land the UK and Israel, or promote the use of cameras with land owner use of cameras with land owner permission use of cameras with land owner permission as use of cameras with land owner permission as is use of cameras with land owner permission as is currently use of cameras with land owner permission as is currently aloud permission as is currently aloud under permission as is currently aloud under the permission as is currently aloud under the law? permission as is currently aloud under the law? 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At present the current legislation does not allow current legislation does not allow MPI current legislation does not allow MPI or current legislation does not allow MPI or any current legislation does not allow MPI or any other current legislation does not allow MPI or any other law current legislation does not allow MPI or any other law enforcement MPI or any other law enforcement agency MPI or any other law enforcement agency to MPI or any other law enforcement agency to trespass MPI or any other law enforcement agency to trespass and MPI or any other law enforcement agency to trespass and install agency to trespass and install covert agency to trespass and install covert cameras agency to trespass and install covert cameras on agency to trespass and install covert cameras on private agency to trespass and install covert cameras on private property covert cameras on private property or covert cameras on private property or any covert cameras on private property or any offence covert cameras on private property or any offence under covert cameras on private property or any offence under the covert cameras on private property or any offence under the animal or any offence under the animal welfare or any offence under the animal welfare act or any offence under the animal welfare act 1999. or any offence under the animal welfare act 1999. 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There is currently no Government policy on the use of no Government policy on the use of permitted no Government policy on the use of permitted cameras no Government policy on the use of permitted cameras on no Government policy on the use of permitted cameras on farms no Government policy on the use of permitted cameras on farms but no Government policy on the use of permitted cameras on farms but my permitted cameras on farms but my expectation permitted cameras on farms but my expectation is permitted cameras on farms but my expectation is for permitted cameras on farms but my expectation is for the permitted cameras on farms but my expectation is for the industry permitted cameras on farms but my expectation is for the industry to expectation is for the industry to step expectation is for the industry to step up expectation is for the industry to step up and expectation is for the industry to step up and ensure expectation is for the industry to step up and ensure there expectation is for the industry to step up and ensure there is expectation is for the industry to step up and ensure there is support step up and ensure there is support to step up and ensure there is support to identify step up and ensure there is support to identify animal step up and ensure there is support to identify animal welfare step up and ensure there is support to identify animal welfare issues to identify animal welfare issues and to identify animal welfare issues and that to identify animal welfare issues and that the to identify animal welfare issues and that the appropriate to identify animal welfare issues and that the appropriate avenues to identify animal welfare issues and that the appropriate avenues to and that the appropriate avenues to report and that the appropriate avenues to report such and that the appropriate avenues to report such issues and that the appropriate avenues to report such issues are and that the appropriate avenues to report such issues are available. report such issues are available. Are report such issues are available. Are there report such issues are available. Are there whistleblower report such issues are available. Are there whistleblower protections Are there whistleblower protections for Are there whistleblower protections for workers Are there whistleblower protections for workers who Are there whistleblower protections for workers who make Are there whistleblower protections for workers who make complaints for workers who make complaints about for workers who make complaints about animal for workers who make complaints about animal abuse? for workers who make complaints about animal abuse? There for workers who make complaints about animal abuse? There are about animal abuse? There are confidential about animal abuse? There are confidential hotlines about animal abuse? There are confidential hotlines for about animal abuse? There are confidential hotlines for farmers confidential hotlines for farmers and confidential hotlines for farmers and workers confidential hotlines for farmers and workers who confidential hotlines for farmers and workers who can confidential hotlines for farmers and workers who can provide and workers who can provide information and workers who can provide information on and workers who can provide information on potential and workers who can provide information on potential animal information on potential animal welfare information on potential animal welfare offences. information on potential animal welfare offences. Protected welfare offences. Protected disclosures welfare offences. Protected disclosures act welfare offences. Protected disclosures act exist welfare offences. Protected disclosures act exist to welfare offences. Protected disclosures act exist to encourage disclosures act exist to encourage employees disclosures act exist to encourage employees and disclosures act exist to encourage employees and contractors disclosures act exist to encourage employees and contractors to disclosures act exist to encourage employees and contractors to report employees and contractors to report serious employees and contractors to report serious wrongdoing employees and contractors to report serious wrongdoing including serious wrongdoing including criminal serious wrongdoing including criminal offending serious wrongdoing including criminal offending in serious wrongdoing including criminal offending in the serious wrongdoing including criminal offending in the workplace criminal offending in the workplace and criminal offending in the workplace and provide criminal offending in the workplace and provide protection criminal offending in the workplace and provide protection to criminal offending in the workplace and provide protection to whistle and provide protection to whistle blow and provide protection to whistle blow es. and provide protection to whistle blow es. 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Industry support those farmers they represent at the farm farmers they represent at the farm gait farmers they represent at the farm gait in farmers they represent at the farm gait in understanding farmers they represent at the farm gait in understanding what farmers they represent at the farm gait in understanding what the gait in understanding what the rights gait in understanding what the rights and gait in understanding what the rights and avenues gait in understanding what the rights and avenues for gait in understanding what the rights and avenues for reporting rights and avenues for reporting animal rights and avenues for reporting animal welfare rights and avenues for reporting animal welfare issues rights and avenues for reporting animal welfare issues are. rights and avenues for reporting animal welfare issues are. My rights and avenues for reporting animal welfare issues are. My animal animal welfare issues are. My animal welfare animal welfare issues are. 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Will she request a ramp up of random Will she request a ramp up of random and Will she request a ramp up of random and repeat Will she request a ramp up of random and repeat inspections Will she request a ramp up of random and repeat inspections for Will she request a ramp up of random and repeat inspections for farms Will she request a ramp up of random and repeat inspections for farms to and repeat inspections for farms to complaints? and repeat inspections for farms to complaints? I and repeat inspections for farms to complaints? I am and repeat inspections for farms to complaints? I am informed and repeat inspections for farms to complaints? I am informed by and repeat inspections for farms to complaints? I am informed by MPI complaints? I am informed by MPI there complaints? I am informed by MPI there are complaints? I am informed by MPI there are currently complaints? I am informed by MPI there are currently 183 complaints? I am informed by MPI there are currently 183 active there are currently 183 active investigations there are currently 183 active investigations under there are currently 183 active investigations under way there are currently 183 active investigations under way involving investigations under way involving animal investigations under way involving animal welfare. investigations under way involving animal welfare. With investigations under way involving animal welfare. With 23 investigations under way involving animal welfare. With 23 animal animal welfare. With 23 animal welfare animal welfare. With 23 animal welfare inspectors animal welfare. With 23 animal welfare inspectors across animal welfare. With 23 animal welfare inspectors across New welfare inspectors across New Zealand, welfare inspectors across New Zealand, 4.9 welfare inspectors across New Zealand, 4.9 milking welfare inspectors across New Zealand, 4.9 milking cows welfare inspectors across New Zealand, 4.9 milking cows alone welfare inspectors across New Zealand, 4.9 milking cows alone with Zealand, 4.9 milking cows alone with 14 Zealand, 4.9 milking cows alone with 14 million Zealand, 4.9 milking cows alone with 14 million hectares Zealand, 4.9 milking cows alone with 14 million hectares of Zealand, 4.9 milking cows alone with 14 million hectares of farmland Zealand, 4.9 milking cows alone with 14 million hectares of farmland in 14 million hectares of farmland in New 14 million hectares of farmland in New Zealand 14 million hectares of farmland in New Zealand to 14 million hectares of farmland in New Zealand to cover. 14 million hectares of farmland in New Zealand to cover. I 14 million hectares of farmland in New Zealand to cover. I will 14 million hectares of farmland in New Zealand to cover. I will assure New Zealand to cover. I will assure through New Zealand to cover. I will assure through my New Zealand to cover. I will assure through my framework New Zealand to cover. I will assure through my framework the New Zealand to cover. I will assure through my framework the capacity through my framework the capacity for through my framework the capacity for effective through my framework the capacity for effective and through my framework the capacity for effective and timely through my framework the capacity for effective and timely enforcement for effective and timely enforcement as for effective and timely enforcement as accounted for effective and timely enforcement as accounted for. for effective and timely enforcement as accounted for. This for effective and timely enforcement as accounted for. 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Does she agree that New Zealand shouldn't be agree that New Zealand shouldn't be reliant agree that New Zealand shouldn't be reliant on agree that New Zealand shouldn't be reliant on animal agree that New Zealand shouldn't be reliant on animal welfare agree that New Zealand shouldn't be reliant on animal welfare groups reliant on animal welfare groups such reliant on animal welfare groups such as reliant on animal welfare groups such as SAFE reliant on animal welfare groups such as SAFE and reliant on animal welfare groups such as SAFE and farm reliant on animal welfare groups such as SAFE and farm Watch reliant on animal welfare groups such as SAFE and farm Watch to such as SAFE and farm Watch to gather such as SAFE and farm Watch to gather evidence such as SAFE and farm Watch to gather evidence on such as SAFE and farm Watch to gather evidence on animal such as SAFE and farm Watch to gather evidence on animal abuses gather evidence on animal abuses Cruelty gather evidence on animal abuses Cruelty to gather evidence on animal abuses Cruelty to animals gather evidence on animal abuses Cruelty to animals is gather evidence on animal abuses Cruelty to animals is not gather evidence on animal abuses Cruelty to animals is not accepted Cruelty to animals is not accepted by Cruelty to animals is not accepted by any Cruelty to animals is not accepted by any New Cruelty to animals is not accepted by any New Zealander Cruelty to animals is not accepted by any New Zealander across Cruelty to animals is not accepted by any New Zealander across the by any New Zealander across the firmly. by any New Zealander across the firmly. I by any New Zealander across the firmly. I want by any New Zealander across the firmly. I want to by any New Zealander across the firmly. I want to thank by any New Zealander across the firmly. I want to thank the by any New Zealander across the firmly. I want to thank the animal firmly. I want to thank the animal advocate firmly. I want to thank the animal advocate groups firmly. I want to thank the animal advocate groups that firmly. I want to thank the animal advocate groups that have firmly. I want to thank the animal advocate groups that have stepped firmly. I want to thank the animal advocate groups that have stepped up advocate groups that have stepped up but advocate groups that have stepped up but like advocate groups that have stepped up but like I advocate groups that have stepped up but like I said advocate groups that have stepped up but like I said in advocate groups that have stepped up but like I said in my advocate groups that have stepped up but like I said in my former advocate groups that have stepped up but like I said in my former answer, but like I said in my former answer, industry but like I said in my former answer, industry also but like I said in my former answer, industry also has but like I said in my former answer, industry also has to but like I said in my former answer, industry also has to play but like I said in my former answer, industry also has to play its but like I said in my former answer, industry also has to play its role industry also has to play its role to industry also has to play its role to ensure industry also has to play its role to ensure that industry also has to play its role to ensure that no industry also has to play its role to ensure that no animal industry also has to play its role to ensure that no animal cruelty industry also has to play its role to ensure that no animal cruelty is to ensure that no animal cruelty is allowed to ensure that no animal cruelty is allowed on to ensure that no animal cruelty is allowed on any to ensure that no animal cruelty is allowed on any of to ensure that no animal cruelty is allowed on any of our to ensure that no animal cruelty is allowed on any of our farms to ensure that no animal cruelty is allowed on any of our farms and to ensure that no animal cruelty is allowed on any of our farms and our allowed on any of our farms and our homes allowed on any of our farms and our homes or allowed on any of our farms and our homes or wherever allowed on any of our farms and our homes or wherever we allowed on any of our farms and our homes or wherever we have allowed on any of our farms and our homes or wherever we have animals. homes or wherever we have animals. 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I result of that, that building is currently being evacuated. I want result of that, that building is currently being evacuated. I want to currently being evacuated. I want to indicate currently being evacuated. I want to indicate that currently being evacuated. I want to indicate that I'm currently being evacuated. I want to indicate that I'm also currently being evacuated. I want to indicate that I'm also advised currently being evacuated. I want to indicate that I'm also advised that indicate that I'm also advised that there's indicate that I'm also advised that there's no indicate that I'm also advised that there's no indication indicate that I'm also advised that there's no indication yesterday indicate that I'm also advised that there's no indication yesterday of there's no indication yesterday of there there's no indication yesterday of there actually there's no indication yesterday of there actually being there's no indication yesterday of there actually being a there's no indication yesterday of there actually being a fire there's no indication yesterday of there actually being a fire but there's no indication yesterday of there actually being a fire but can there actually being a fire but can I there actually being a fire but can I make there actually being a fire but can I make a there actually being a fire but can I make a suggestion there actually being a fire but can I make a suggestion to there actually being a fire but can I make a suggestion to members there actually being a fire but can I make a suggestion to members who I make a suggestion to members who would I make a suggestion to members who would normally I make a suggestion to members who would normally go I make a suggestion to members who would normally go back I make a suggestion to members who would normally go back that I make a suggestion to members who would normally go back that way I make a suggestion to members who would normally go back that way that would normally go back that way that they would normally go back that way that they might would normally go back that way that they might be would normally go back that way that they might be entertained would normally go back that way that they might be entertained and would normally go back that way that they might be entertained and stay they might be entertained and stay for they might be entertained and stay for at they might be entertained and stay for at least they might be entertained and stay for at least the they might be entertained and stay for at least the first they might be entertained and stay for at least the first part they might be entertained and stay for at least the first part of they might be entertained and stay for at least the first part of the for at least the first part of the general for at least the first part of the general debate for at least the first part of the general debate until for at least the first part of the general debate until that for at least the first part of the general debate until that matter for at least the first part of the general debate until that matter is general debate until that matter is clarified. general debate until that matter is clarified. Question general debate until that matter is clarified. Question No. general debate until that matter is clarified. Question No. 11. general general debate general debate until general debate until that general debate until that matter general debate until that matter is general debate until that matter is clarified. general debate until that matter is clarified. Question general debate until that matter is clarified. Question No. general debate until that matter is clarified. Question No. 11. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Associate My question is to the Associate Minister My question is to the Associate Minister of My question is to the Associate Minister of Finance: My question is to the Associate Minister of Finance: Does My question is to the Associate Minister of Finance: Does he My question is to the Associate Minister of Finance: Does he believe Minister of Finance: Does he believe his Minister of Finance: Does he believe his conduct Minister of Finance: Does he believe his conduct in Minister of Finance: Does he believe his conduct in respect Minister of Finance: Does he believe his conduct in respect of Minister of Finance: Does he believe his conduct in respect of the his conduct in respect of the proposed his conduct in respect of the proposed exemption his conduct in respect of the proposed exemption for his conduct in respect of the proposed exemption for the his conduct in respect of the proposed exemption for the Te his conduct in respect of the proposed exemption for the Te Arai proposed exemption for the Te Arai property proposed exemption for the Te Arai property development proposed exemption for the Te Arai property development from proposed exemption for the Te Arai property development from the property development from the Overseas property development from the Overseas Investment property development from the Overseas Investment Amendment property development from the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill Overseas Investment Amendment Bill meets Overseas Investment Amendment Bill meets the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill meets the standards Overseas Investment Amendment Bill meets the standards expected Overseas Investment Amendment Bill meets the standards expected of Overseas Investment Amendment Bill meets the standards expected of a meets the standards expected of a competent meets the standards expected of a competent Minister? Yes, Yes, and Yes, and again Yes, and again I Yes, and again I note Yes, and again I note for Yes, and again I note for the Yes, and again I note for the benefit Yes, and again I note for the benefit of Yes, and again I note for the benefit of the Yes, and again I note for the benefit of the member Yes, and again I note for the benefit of the member that Yes, and again I note for the benefit of the member that it Yes, and again I note for the benefit of the member that it is Yes, and again I note for the benefit of the member that it is the benefit of the member that it is the PM benefit of the member that it is the PM that benefit of the member that it is the PM that is benefit of the member that it is the PM that is responsible benefit of the member that it is the PM that is responsible for benefit of the member that it is the PM that is responsible for assessing PM that is responsible for assessing whether PM that is responsible for assessing whether my PM that is responsible for assessing whether my conduct PM that is responsible for assessing whether my conduct meets PM that is responsible for assessing whether my conduct meets the whether my conduct meets the standards whether my conduct meets the standards expected whether my conduct meets the standards expected of whether my conduct meets the standards expected of a whether my conduct meets the standards expected of a minister. whether my conduct meets the standards expected of a minister. Is standards expected of a minister. Is the standards expected of a minister. Is the following standards expected of a minister. Is the following version standards expected of a minister. Is the following version of standards expected of a minister. Is the following version of events standards expected of a minister. Is the following version of events in the following version of events in respect the following version of events in respect of the following version of events in respect of Te the following version of events in respect of Te Arai the following version of events in respect of Te Arai correct, the following version of events in respect of Te Arai correct, and the following version of events in respect of Te Arai correct, and if respect of Te Arai correct, and if not, respect of Te Arai correct, and if not, which respect of Te Arai correct, and if not, which part respect of Te Arai correct, and if not, which part the respect of Te Arai correct, and if not, which part the incorrect? respect of Te Arai correct, and if not, which part the incorrect? Some not, which part the incorrect? Some time not, which part the incorrect? Some time in not, which part the incorrect? Some time in January, not, which part the incorrect? Some time in January, shortly not, which part the incorrect? 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Sometime after that John Darby, Ric Kayne and iwi. Sometime after that meeting John Darby, Ric Kayne and iwi. 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Then on 19 March he received official Treasury advice he received official Treasury advice which, he received official Treasury advice which, for he received official Treasury advice which, for the he received official Treasury advice which, for the first he received official Treasury advice which, for the first time, he received official Treasury advice which, for the first time, informed which, for the first time, informed him which, for the first time, informed him of which, for the first time, informed him of the which, for the first time, informed him of the interest which, for the first time, informed him of the interest of which, for the first time, informed him of the interest of non-iwi him of the interest of non-iwi developers him of the interest of non-iwi developers in him of the interest of non-iwi developers in the him of the interest of non-iwi developers in the land him of the interest of non-iwi developers in the land and him of the interest of non-iwi developers in the land and which developers in the land and which opposed developers in the land and which opposed allowing developers in the land and which opposed allowing an developers in the land and which opposed allowing an exemption developers in the land and which opposed allowing an exemption for developers in the land and which opposed allowing an exemption for Te opposed allowing an exemption for Te Arai opposed allowing an exemption for Te Arai and opposed allowing an exemption for Te Arai and then opposed allowing an exemption for Te Arai and then three opposed allowing an exemption for Te Arai and then three days' opposed allowing an exemption for Te Arai and then three days' dayer opposed allowing an exemption for Te Arai and then three days' dayer not Arai and then three days' dayer not having Arai and then three days' dayer not having taken Arai and then three days' dayer not having taken steps Arai and then three days' dayer not having taken steps to Arai and then three days' dayer not having taken steps to verify Arai and then three days' dayer not having taken steps to verify the having taken steps to verify the actual having taken steps to verify the actual extent having taken steps to verify the actual extent of having taken steps to verify the actual extent of iwi having taken steps to verify the actual extent of iwi ownership having taken steps to verify the actual extent of iwi ownership in actual extent of iwi ownership in the actual extent of iwi ownership in the land, actual extent of iwi ownership in the land, he actual extent of iwi ownership in the land, he recommended actual extent of iwi ownership in the land, he recommended an the land, he recommended an exemption the land, he recommended an exemption for the land, he recommended an exemption for Te the land, he recommended an exemption for Te Arai the land, he recommended an exemption for Te Arai to the land, he recommended an exemption for Te Arai to a the land, he recommended an exemption for Te Arai to a Cabinet exemption for Te Arai to a Cabinet committee exemption for Te Arai to a Cabinet committee and exemption for Te Arai to a Cabinet committee and this exemption for Te Arai to a Cabinet committee and this was exemption for Te Arai to a Cabinet committee and this was formally committee and this was formally approved committee and this was formally approved by committee and this was formally approved by Cabinet committee and this was formally approved by Cabinet on committee and this was formally approved by Cabinet on 3 committee and this was formally approved by Cabinet on 3 April? committee and this was formally approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, and approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, and it approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, and it is approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, and it is inaccurate approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, and it is inaccurate in approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, and it is inaccurate in a approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, and it is inaccurate in a number approved by Cabinet on 3 April? No, and it is inaccurate in a number of and it is inaccurate in a number of ways. and it is inaccurate in a number of ways. Does and it is inaccurate in a number of ways. Does he and it is inaccurate in a number of ways. Does he consider and it is inaccurate in a number of ways. Does he consider it and it is inaccurate in a number of ways. Does he consider it to and it is inaccurate in a number of ways. Does he consider it to be and it is inaccurate in a number of ways. Does he consider it to be an ways. Does he consider it to be an acceptable ways. Does he consider it to be an acceptable standard ways. Does he consider it to be an acceptable standard of ways. Does he consider it to be an acceptable standard of conduct ways. Does he consider it to be an acceptable standard of conduct for ways. Does he consider it to be an acceptable standard of conduct for a acceptable standard of conduct for a minister acceptable standard of conduct for a minister to acceptable standard of conduct for a minister to take acceptable standard of conduct for a minister to take a acceptable standard of conduct for a minister to take a paper acceptable standard of conduct for a minister to take a paper to acceptable standard of conduct for a minister to take a paper to Cabinet minister to take a paper to Cabinet recommending minister to take a paper to Cabinet recommending land minister to take a paper to Cabinet recommending land be minister to take a paper to Cabinet recommending land be exempted minister to take a paper to Cabinet recommending land be exempted from recommending land be exempted from the recommending land be exempted from the laws recommending land be exempted from the laws of recommending land be exempted from the laws of New recommending land be exempted from the laws of New Zealand recommending land be exempted from the laws of New Zealand due recommending land be exempted from the laws of New Zealand due to recommending land be exempted from the laws of New Zealand due to its the laws of New Zealand due to its particular the laws of New Zealand due to its particular ownership, the laws of New Zealand due to its particular ownership, without particular ownership, without knowing particular ownership, without knowing the particular ownership, without knowing the details particular ownership, without knowing the details of particular ownership, without knowing the details of the particular ownership, without knowing the details of the ownership knowing the details of the ownership of knowing the details of the ownership of that knowing the details of the ownership of that land? knowing the details of the ownership of that land? 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In general terms, yes, I have admitted as a matter of I have admitted as a matter of detail I have admitted as a matter of detail that I have admitted as a matter of detail that it I have admitted as a matter of detail that it would I have admitted as a matter of detail that it would have I have admitted as a matter of detail that it would have been detail that it would have been better detail that it would have been better if detail that it would have been better if we'd detail that it would have been better if we'd had detail that it would have been better if we'd had more detail that it would have been better if we'd had more information better if we'd had more information as better if we'd had more information as to better if we'd had more information as to the better if we'd had more information as to the beneficial better if we'd had more information as to the beneficial ownership better if we'd had more information as to the beneficial ownership of as to the beneficial ownership of some as to the beneficial ownership of some of as to the beneficial ownership of some of the as to the beneficial ownership of some of the lots. as to the beneficial ownership of some of the lots. I as to the beneficial ownership of some of the lots. I have as to the beneficial ownership of some of the lots. I have noted as to the beneficial ownership of some of the lots. I have noted to some of the lots. I have noted to the some of the lots. I have noted to the House some of the lots. I have noted to the House previously, some of the lots. I have noted to the House previously, however, some of the lots. 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OK. candidate, which was only withdrawn... OK. And candidate, which was only withdrawn... OK. And subsequent candidate, which was only withdrawn... OK. And subsequent to withdrawn... OK. And subsequent to that withdrawn... OK. And subsequent to that we withdrawn... OK. And subsequent to that we have withdrawn... OK. And subsequent to that we have had withdrawn... OK. And subsequent to that we have had a withdrawn... OK. And subsequent to that we have had a very withdrawn... OK. And subsequent to that we have had a very clear that we have had a very clear statement that we have had a very clear statement from that we have had a very clear statement from the that we have had a very clear statement from the Acting that we have had a very clear statement from the Acting PM that we have had a very clear statement from the Acting PM that statement from the Acting PM that the statement from the Acting PM that the newspaper statement from the Acting PM that the newspaper article statement from the Acting PM that the newspaper article was the newspaper article was inaccurate. the newspaper article was inaccurate. We the newspaper article was inaccurate. We have the newspaper article was inaccurate. We have had the newspaper article was inaccurate. We have had the the newspaper article was inaccurate. We have had the word the newspaper article was inaccurate. We have had the word of inaccurate. We have had the word of the inaccurate. 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Unless - while it was not done in a formal setting like a not done in a formal setting like a primary not done in a formal setting like a primary answer, not done in a formal setting like a primary answer, must not done in a formal setting like a primary answer, must be not done in a formal setting like a primary answer, must be taken. not done in a formal setting like a primary answer, must be taken. If primary answer, must be taken. If the primary answer, must be taken. If the member primary answer, must be taken. If the member has primary answer, must be taken. If the member has any primary answer, must be taken. If the member has any evidence primary answer, must be taken. If the member has any evidence to primary answer, must be taken. If the member has any evidence to the the member has any evidence to the contrary, the member has any evidence to the contrary, and the member has any evidence to the contrary, and I the member has any evidence to the contrary, and I think the member has any evidence to the contrary, and I think the the member has any evidence to the contrary, and I think the evidence contrary, and I think the evidence about contrary, and I think the evidence about who contrary, and I think the evidence about who is contrary, and I think the evidence about who is a contrary, and I think the evidence about who is a candidate contrary, and I think the evidence about who is a candidate and contrary, and I think the evidence about who is a candidate and who contrary, and I think the evidence about who is a candidate and who is about who is a candidate and who is not about who is a candidate and who is not a about who is a candidate and who is not a candidate, about who is a candidate and who is not a candidate, is about who is a candidate and who is not a candidate, is very about who is a candidate and who is not a candidate, is very easily not a candidate, is very easily obtained, not a candidate, is very easily obtained, then not a candidate, is very easily obtained, then I not a candidate, is very easily obtained, then I am not a candidate, is very easily obtained, then I am going not a candidate, is very easily obtained, then I am going to not a candidate, is very easily obtained, then I am going to stay obtained, then I am going to stay with obtained, then I am going to stay with my obtained, then I am going to stay with my ruling obtained, then I am going to stay with my ruling and obtained, then I am going to stay with my ruling and that obtained, then I am going to stay with my ruling and that is obtained, then I am going to stay with my ruling and that is that obtained, then I am going to stay with my ruling and that is that we with my ruling and that is that we will with my ruling and that is that we will accept with my ruling and that is that we will accept the with my ruling and that is that we will accept the word with my ruling and that is that we will accept the word of with my ruling and that is that we will accept the word of the with my ruling and that is that we will accept the word of the Acting will accept the word of the Acting PM will accept the word of the Acting PM that will accept the word of the Acting PM that the will accept the word of the Acting PM that the particular will accept the word of the Acting PM that the particular individual PM that the particular individual was PM that the particular individual was not PM that the particular individual was not a PM that the particular individual was not a candidate. PM that the particular individual was not a candidate. Would PM that the particular individual was not a candidate. Would it PM that the particular individual was not a candidate. Would it be was not a candidate. Would it be reasonable was not a candidate. Would it be reasonable in was not a candidate. Would it be reasonable in this was not a candidate. Would it be reasonable in this circumstance, reasonable in this circumstance, then, reasonable in this circumstance, then, for reasonable in this circumstance, then, for the reasonable in this circumstance, then, for the question reasonable in this circumstance, then, for the question to reasonable in this circumstance, then, for the question to be then, for the question to be reworded then, for the question to be reworded with then, for the question to be reworded with the then, for the question to be reworded with the gentleman reworded with the gentleman concerned reworded with the gentleman concerned referred reworded with the gentleman concerned referred to reworded with the gentleman concerned referred to as reworded with the gentleman concerned referred to as a reworded with the gentleman concerned referred to as a New concerned referred to as a New Zealand concerned referred to as a New Zealand First concerned referred to as a New Zealand First party concerned referred to as a New Zealand First party member concerned referred to as a New Zealand First party member who concerned referred to as a New Zealand First party member who was Zealand First party member who was seeking Zealand First party member who was seeking candidacy? Zealand First party member who was seeking candidacy? If Zealand First party member who was seeking candidacy? If the Zealand First party member who was seeking candidacy? If the member seeking candidacy? If the member wants seeking candidacy? If the member wants to seeking candidacy? If the member wants to do seeking candidacy? If the member wants to do that seeking candidacy? If the member wants to do that he seeking candidacy? If the member wants to do that he may seeking candidacy? If the member wants to do that he may but seeking candidacy? If the member wants to do that he may but he wants to do that he may but he doesn't wants to do that he may but he doesn't get wants to do that he may but he doesn't get an wants to do that he may but he doesn't get an extra wants to do that he may but he doesn't get an extra question. wants to do that he may but he doesn't get an extra question. Point doesn't get an extra question. Point of doesn't get an extra question. Point of order. doesn't get an extra question. Point of order. What doesn't get an extra question. Point of order. What the doesn't get an extra question. Point of order. What the House doesn't get an extra question. Point of order. What the House is doesn't get an extra question. Point of order. What the House is being of order. What the House is being invited of order. What the House is being invited to of order. What the House is being invited to do of order. What the House is being invited to do now of order. What the House is being invited to do now is of order. What the House is being invited to do now is go of order. What the House is being invited to do now is go beyond of order. What the House is being invited to do now is go beyond the invited to do now is go beyond the productive invited to do now is go beyond the productive cy invited to do now is go beyond the productive cy provisions invited to do now is go beyond the productive cy provisions that invited to do now is go beyond the productive cy provisions that there productive cy provisions that there are productive cy provisions that there are in productive cy provisions that there are in the productive cy provisions that there are in the electoral productive cy provisions that there are in the electoral law productive cy provisions that there are in the electoral law of productive cy provisions that there are in the electoral law of this are in the electoral law of this country, are in the electoral law of this country, which are in the electoral law of this country, which mean are in the electoral law of this country, which mean a are in the electoral law of this country, which mean a member are in the electoral law of this country, which mean a member of are in the electoral law of this country, which mean a member of a country, which mean a member of a party country, which mean a member of a party - country, which mean a member of a party - a country, which mean a member of a party - a person country, which mean a member of a party - a person can country, which mean a member of a party - a person can be country, which mean a member of a party - a person can be a country, which mean a member of a party - a person can be a member country, which mean a member of a party - a person can be a member of party - a person can be a member of a party - a person can be a member of a party, party - a person can be a member of a party, and party - a person can be a member of a party, and that party - a person can be a member of a party, and that is party - a person can be a member of a party, and that is confidential party - a person can be a member of a party, and that is confidential to a party, and that is confidential to the a party, and that is confidential to the party, a party, and that is confidential to the party, not a party, and that is confidential to the party, not to a party, and that is confidential to the party, not to the a party, and that is confidential to the party, not to the whole a party, and that is confidential to the party, not to the whole country. the party, not to the whole country. Mr the party, not to the whole country. Mr Brownlee the party, not to the whole country. Mr Brownlee in the party, not to the whole country. Mr Brownlee in his the party, not to the whole country. Mr Brownlee in his naivety the party, not to the whole country. Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets the party, not to the whole country. Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets up Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets up and Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets up and suggests Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets up and suggests we Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets up and suggests we go Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets up and suggests we go past Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets up and suggests we go past the Mr Brownlee in his naivety gets up and suggests we go past the privacy and suggests we go past the privacy provisions and suggests we go past the privacy provisions of and suggests we go past the privacy provisions of the and suggests we go past the privacy provisions of the electoral and suggests we go past the privacy provisions of the electoral law and suggests we go past the privacy provisions of the electoral law in provisions of the electoral law in this provisions of the electoral law in this country provisions of the electoral law in this country and provisions of the electoral law in this country and enrolment provisions of the electoral law in this country and enrolment in provisions of the electoral law in this country and enrolment in this this country and enrolment in this country this country and enrolment in this country and this country and enrolment in this country and party this country and enrolment in this country and party membership this country and enrolment in this country and party membership in this country and enrolment in this country and party membership in this country and party membership in this country country and party membership in this country just country and party membership in this country just because country and party membership in this country just because he country and party membership in this country just because he wants country and party membership in this country just because he wants to country just because he wants to indulge country just because he wants to indulge himself. country just because he wants to indulge himself. Order! indulge himself. 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Now, there is not an opportunity to reword anything anyway. Now, can there is not an opportunity to reword anything anyway. Now, can I reword anything anyway. Now, can I inform reword anything anyway. Now, can I inform members reword anything anyway. Now, can I inform members that reword anything anyway. Now, can I inform members that there reword anything anyway. Now, can I inform members that there was, reword anything anyway. Now, can I inform members that there was, in inform members that there was, in fact, inform members that there was, in fact, an inform members that there was, in fact, an actual inform members that there was, in fact, an actual fire inform members that there was, in fact, an actual fire on inform members that there was, in fact, an actual fire on the inform members that there was, in fact, an actual fire on the ground fact, an actual fire on the ground floor fact, an actual fire on the ground floor of fact, an actual fire on the ground floor of the fact, an actual fire on the ground floor of the Beehive. fact, an actual fire on the ground floor of the Beehive. It fact, an actual fire on the ground floor of the Beehive. It has fact, an actual fire on the ground floor of the Beehive. It has now floor of the Beehive. It has now been floor of the Beehive. It has now been extinguished floor of the Beehive. It has now been extinguished but floor of the Beehive. It has now been extinguished but my been extinguished but my understanding been extinguished but my understanding is been extinguished but my understanding is that been extinguished but my understanding is that the been extinguished but my understanding is that the Beehive been extinguished but my understanding is that the Beehive is understanding is that the Beehive is still understanding is that the Beehive is still currently understanding is that the Beehive is still currently evacuated understanding is that the Beehive is still currently evacuated while still currently evacuated while further still currently evacuated while further checks still currently evacuated while further checks are still currently evacuated while further checks are occurring. still currently evacuated while further checks are occurring. So still currently evacuated while further checks are occurring. So my further checks are occurring. So my advice further checks are occurring. So my advice would further checks are occurring. So my advice would be further checks are occurring. So my advice would be for further checks are occurring. So my advice would be for any further checks are occurring. So my advice would be for any members further checks are occurring. So my advice would be for any members who advice would be for any members who want advice would be for any members who want to advice would be for any members who want to go advice would be for any members who want to go to advice would be for any members who want to go to Bowen advice would be for any members who want to go to Bowen House, advice would be for any members who want to go to Bowen House, that advice would be for any members who want to go to Bowen House, that they want to go to Bowen House, that they go want to go to Bowen House, that they go outside want to go to Bowen House, that they go outside but want to go to Bowen House, that they go outside but the want to go to Bowen House, that they go outside but the Beehive want to go to Bowen House, that they go outside but the Beehive is want to go to Bowen House, that they go outside but the Beehive is not go outside but the Beehive is not yet go outside but the Beehive is not yet available go outside but the Beehive is not yet available for go outside but the Beehive is not yet available for people go outside but the Beehive is not yet available for people to go outside but the Beehive is not yet available for people to go go outside but the Beehive is not yet available for people to go back yet available for people to go back into. yet available for people to go back into. We yet available for people to go back into. We now yet available for people to go back into. We now come yet available for people to go back into. We now come to yet available for people to go back into. We now come to the yet available for people to go back into. We now come to the general