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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. The The Hon The Hon Chris The Hon Chris Hipkins. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the House The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the House will The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the House will next The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the House will next sit The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the House will next sit on The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the House will next sit on 24 The Hon Chris Hipkins. Mr Speaker, the House will next sit on 24 July. the House will next sit on 24 July. The the House will next sit on 24 July. The estimates the House will next sit on 24 July. The estimates debate the House will next sit on 24 July. The estimates debate will the House will next sit on 24 July. The estimates debate will be the House will next sit on 24 July. The estimates debate will be the The estimates debate will be the main The estimates debate will be the main business. 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Does he consider it fair that a Does he consider it fair that a family Does he consider it fair that a family earning Does he consider it fair that a family earning the Does he consider it fair that a family earning the median Does he consider it fair that a family earning the median household family earning the median household income family earning the median household income of family earning the median household income of $82,000 family earning the median household income of $82,000 per family earning the median household income of $82,000 per year family earning the median household income of $82,000 per year is family earning the median household income of $82,000 per year is less income of $82,000 per year is less likely income of $82,000 per year is less likely to income of $82,000 per year is less likely to get income of $82,000 per year is less likely to get into income of $82,000 per year is less likely to get into one income of $82,000 per year is less likely to get into one of income of $82,000 per year is less likely to get into one of the income of $82,000 per year is less likely to get into one of the 1,000 likely to get into one of the 1,000 KiwiBuild likely to get into one of the 1,000 KiwiBuild houses likely to get into one of the 1,000 KiwiBuild houses because likely to get into one of the 1,000 KiwiBuild houses because two likely to get into one of the 1,000 KiwiBuild houses because two doctors KiwiBuild houses because two doctors earning KiwiBuild houses because two doctors earning $180,000 KiwiBuild houses because two doctors earning $180,000 a KiwiBuild houses because two doctors earning $180,000 a year KiwiBuild houses because two doctors earning $180,000 a year are KiwiBuild houses because two doctors earning $180,000 a year are eligible earning $180,000 a year are eligible to earning $180,000 a year are eligible to to earning $180,000 a year are eligible to to enter earning $180,000 a year are eligible to to enter the earning $180,000 a year are eligible to to enter the palate? to to enter the palate? 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We are not going to advance the We are not going to advance the cause We are not going to advance the cause of We are not going to advance the cause of defeating We are not going to advance the cause of defeating homelessness We are not going to advance the cause of defeating homelessness in cause of defeating homelessness in this cause of defeating homelessness in this country cause of defeating homelessness in this country by cause of defeating homelessness in this country by setting cause of defeating homelessness in this country by setting people this country by setting people against this country by setting people against each this country by setting people against each other this country by setting people against each other for this country by setting people against each other for political against each other for political purposes. purposes. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> So <INTERRUPTION> So what <INTERRUPTION> So what does <INTERRUPTION> So what does he <INTERRUPTION> So what does he say <INTERRUPTION> So what does he say to <INTERRUPTION> So what does he say to a <INTERRUPTION> So what does he say to a hardworking So what does he say to a hardworking family So what does he say to a hardworking family who So what does he say to a hardworking family who earn So what does he say to a hardworking family who earn $82,000 So what does he say to a hardworking family who earn $82,000 per So what does he say to a hardworking family who earn $82,000 per year So what does he say to a hardworking family who earn $82,000 per year who family who earn $82,000 per year who are family who earn $82,000 per year who are likely family who earn $82,000 per year who are likely to family who earn $82,000 per year who are likely to miss family who earn $82,000 per year who are likely to miss out family who earn $82,000 per year who are likely to miss out on family who earn $82,000 per year who are likely to miss out on a are likely to miss out on a KiwiSaver are likely to miss out on a KiwiSaver home are likely to miss out on a KiwiSaver home to are likely to miss out on a KiwiSaver home to a are likely to miss out on a KiwiSaver home to a family are likely to miss out on a KiwiSaver home to a family earning KiwiSaver home to a family earning more KiwiSaver home to a family earning more than KiwiSaver home to a family earning more than double KiwiSaver home to a family earning more than double that? more than double that? 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The The Hon The Hon David The Hon David Parker. The Hon David Parker. Mr The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, I The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, I became The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, I became aware The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, I became aware of The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, I became aware of the The Hon David Parker. Mr Speaker, I became aware of the issues The Hon David Parker. 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When he said on Wednesday 27 have further supplementaries? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Regional My question is to the Minister for Regional Economic My question is to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: My question is to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: What Regional Economic Development: What reports Regional Economic Development: What reports has Regional Economic Development: What reports has he Regional Economic Development: What reports has he seen Regional Economic Development: What reports has he seen regarding Regional Economic Development: What reports has he seen regarding the reports has he seen regarding the Provincial reports has he seen regarding the Provincial Growth reports has he seen regarding the Provincial Growth Fund? Mr Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker. The Mr Speaker. The Rt Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Winston Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. On Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. On behalf Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. On behalf of Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. On behalf of the Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. On behalf of the minister Mr Speaker. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. On behalf of the minister I Peters. On behalf of the minister I saw Peters. On behalf of the minister I saw an Peters. On behalf of the minister I saw an International Peters. On behalf of the minister I saw an International Monetary Peters. 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That's to name value-added wood processing. That's to name just value-added wood processing. That's to name just a value-added wood processing. That's to name just a few. Point Point of Point of order, Point of order, Mr Point of order, Mr Speaker. Point of order, Mr Speaker. The Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member will Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member will get Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member will get to Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member will get to a Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member will get to a point Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member will get to a point of Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member will get to a point of order member will get to a point of order really member will get to a point of order really quickly. member will get to a point of order really quickly. Yesterday, member will get to a point of order really quickly. Yesterday, sir, member will get to a point of order really quickly. 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I want to bring to your attention the Parliamentary your attention the Parliamentary Privilege your attention the Parliamentary Privilege Act, your attention the Parliamentary Privilege Act, section your attention the Parliamentary Privilege Act, section 10 your attention the Parliamentary Privilege Act, section 10 (2) your attention the Parliamentary Privilege Act, section 10 (2) (d) Privilege Act, section 10 (2) (d) which Privilege Act, section 10 (2) (d) which enables Privilege Act, section 10 (2) (d) which enables a Privilege Act, section 10 (2) (d) which enables a document which enables a document communicated which enables a document communicated under which enables a document communicated under the which enables a document communicated under the authority which enables a document communicated under the authority of communicated under the authority of the communicated under the authority of the House communicated under the authority of the House to communicated under the authority of the House to be communicated under the authority of the House to be proceeded communicated under the authority of the House to be proceeded in the House to be proceeded in Parliament. the House to be proceeded in Parliament. 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I want Validation, to be published under the House authority. I want to Validation, to be published under the House authority. I want to check the House authority. I want to check this the House authority. I want to check this is the House authority. I want to check this is the the House authority. I want to check this is the same the House authority. I want to check this is the same document the House authority. I want to check this is the same document that the House authority. I want to check this is the same document that was this is the same document that was tabled this is the same document that was tabled which this is the same document that was tabled which is this is the same document that was tabled which is headed this is the same document that was tabled which is headed Salary this is the same document that was tabled which is headed Salary and tabled which is headed Salary and Allowance tabled which is headed Salary and Allowance Validation tabled which is headed Salary and Allowance Validation - tabled which is headed Salary and Allowance Validation - Confidential Allowance Validation - Confidential Legally Allowance Validation - Confidential Legally Privileged Allowance Validation - Confidential Legally Privileged - Allowance Validation - Confidential Legally Privileged - is Allowance Validation - Confidential Legally Privileged - is that Allowance Validation - Confidential Legally Privileged - is that the Legally Privileged - is that the same Legally Privileged - is that the same document? 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The The Hon The Hon Dr The Hon Dr David The Hon Dr David Clark. The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, as The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, as the The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, as the member The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, as the member is The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, as the member is aware, The Hon Dr David Clark. Mr Speaker, as the member is aware, I've The Hon Dr David Clark. 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My mould due to years of underinvestment. My recollection mould due to years of underinvestment. My recollection is underinvestment. My recollection is the underinvestment. My recollection is the review underinvestment. My recollection is the review was underinvestment. My recollection is the review was raised underinvestment. My recollection is the review was raised in underinvestment. My recollection is the review was raised in passing. the review was raised in passing. Can the review was raised in passing. Can he the review was raised in passing. Can he confirm the review was raised in passing. Can he confirm that the review was raised in passing. Can he confirm that in the review was raised in passing. Can he confirm that in addition the review was raised in passing. Can he confirm that in addition to Can he confirm that in addition to Rabin Can he confirm that in addition to Rabin Rabindren, Can he confirm that in addition to Rabin Rabindren, Dr Can he confirm that in addition to Rabin Rabindren, Dr Lester Can he confirm that in addition to Rabin Rabindren, Dr Lester Levy, Can he confirm that in addition to Rabin Rabindren, Dr Lester Levy, the Rabin Rabindren, Dr Lester Levy, the Auditor-General Rabin Rabindren, Dr Lester Levy, the Auditor-General and Rabin Rabindren, Dr Lester Levy, the Auditor-General and the Rabin Rabindren, Dr Lester Levy, the Auditor-General and the former Auditor-General and the former commissioner Auditor-General and the former commissioner Mark Auditor-General and the former commissioner Mark Darrow Auditor-General and the former commissioner Mark Darrow all Auditor-General and the former commissioner Mark Darrow all wrote commissioner Mark Darrow all wrote to commissioner Mark Darrow all wrote to him commissioner Mark Darrow all wrote to him raising commissioner Mark Darrow all wrote to him raising the commissioner Mark Darrow all wrote to him raising the review commissioner Mark Darrow all wrote to him raising the review of commissioner Mark Darrow all wrote to him raising the review of the to him raising the review of the Counties to him raising the review of the Counties Manukau to him raising the review of the Counties Manukau DHB to him raising the review of the Counties Manukau DHB audit? to him raising the review of the Counties Manukau DHB audit? Mr Counties Manukau DHB audit? Mr Speaker, Counties Manukau DHB audit? Mr Speaker, I Counties Manukau DHB audit? Mr Speaker, I can Counties Manukau DHB audit? Mr Speaker, I can confirm Counties Manukau DHB audit? Mr Speaker, I can confirm that Counties Manukau DHB audit? Mr Speaker, I can confirm that I Speaker, I can confirm that I received Speaker, I can confirm that I received a Speaker, I can confirm that I received a number Speaker, I can confirm that I received a number of Speaker, I can confirm that I received a number of people's Speaker, I can confirm that I received a number of people's views received a number of people's views on received a number of people's views on the received a number of people's views on the situation received a number of people's views on the situation at received a number of people's views on the situation at Counties received a number of people's views on the situation at Counties Manukau on the situation at Counties Manukau and on the situation at Counties Manukau and that's on the situation at Counties Manukau and that's why on the situation at Counties Manukau and that's why I on the situation at Counties Manukau and that's why I agreed on the situation at Counties Manukau and that's why I agreed to on the situation at Counties Manukau and that's why I agreed to the and that's why I agreed to the process and that's why I agreed to the process of and that's why I agreed to the process of investigation and that's why I agreed to the process of investigation that process of investigation that pursued process of investigation that pursued and process of investigation that pursued and of process of investigation that pursued and of course process of investigation that pursued and of course assured process of investigation that pursued and of course assured by pursued and of course assured by officials pursued and of course assured by officials that pursued and of course assured by officials that an pursued and of course assured by officials that an appropriate officials that an appropriate process officials that an appropriate process was officials that an appropriate process was in officials that an appropriate process was in place officials that an appropriate process was in place and officials that an appropriate process was in place and I officials that an appropriate process was in place and I don't process was in place and I don't think process was in place and I don't think it process was in place and I don't think it appropriate process was in place and I don't think it appropriate for process was in place and I don't think it appropriate for a process was in place and I don't think it appropriate for a minister think it appropriate for a minister to think it appropriate for a minister to interfere think it appropriate for a minister to interfere in think it appropriate for a minister to interfere in that think it appropriate for a minister to interfere in that process? to interfere in that process? Jo to interfere in that process? Jo Luxton. to interfere in that process? Jo Luxton. What to interfere in that process? Jo Luxton. What were to interfere in that process? Jo Luxton. What were the to interfere in that process? Jo Luxton. What were the matters Jo Luxton. What were the matters discussed Jo Luxton. What were the matters discussed with Jo Luxton. What were the matters discussed with Rabin Jo Luxton. What were the matters discussed with Rabin Rabindren Jo Luxton. What were the matters discussed with Rabin Rabindren at discussed with Rabin Rabindren at the discussed with Rabin Rabindren at the 29 discussed with Rabin Rabindren at the 29 March discussed with Rabin Rabindren at the 29 March meeting? discussed with Rabin Rabindren at the 29 March meeting? Mr discussed with Rabin Rabindren at the 29 March meeting? Mr Speaker, discussed with Rabin Rabindren at the 29 March meeting? Mr Speaker, as the 29 March meeting? Mr Speaker, as well the 29 March meeting? 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Like many DHBs, Counties Manukau has been struggling deficits. Like many DHBs, Counties Manukau has been struggling in deficits. Like many DHBs, Counties Manukau has been struggling in the Manukau has been struggling in the face Manukau has been struggling in the face of Manukau has been struggling in the face of years Manukau has been struggling in the face of years of Manukau has been struggling in the face of years of underfunding. face of years of underfunding. That's face of years of underfunding. That's why face of years of underfunding. That's why in face of years of underfunding. That's why in Budget face of years of underfunding. That's why in Budget 2018 face of years of underfunding. That's why in Budget 2018 we face of years of underfunding. That's why in Budget 2018 we put face of years of underfunding. That's why in Budget 2018 we put an That's why in Budget 2018 we put an extra That's why in Budget 2018 we put an extra $66 That's why in Budget 2018 we put an extra $66 million That's why in Budget 2018 we put an extra $66 million into That's why in Budget 2018 we put an extra $66 million into Counties extra $66 million into Counties Manukau. extra $66 million into Counties Manukau. Order! extra $66 million into Counties Manukau. Order! That extra $66 million into Counties Manukau. Order! That is extra $66 million into Counties Manukau. Order! That is enough. extra $66 million into Counties Manukau. Order! That is enough. OK, Manukau. Order! That is enough. OK, then. Manukau. Order! That is enough. OK, then. Supplementary. Manukau. Order! That is enough. OK, then. Supplementary. Is Manukau. Order! That is enough. OK, then. Supplementary. Is he Manukau. Order! That is enough. OK, then. Supplementary. Is he aware Manukau. Order! That is enough. OK, then. Supplementary. Is he aware of then. Supplementary. Is he aware of notes then. Supplementary. Is he aware of notes from then. Supplementary. Is he aware of notes from Rabin then. Supplementary. Is he aware of notes from Rabin Rabindren then. Supplementary. Is he aware of notes from Rabin Rabindren of then. Supplementary. 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I've had no evidence presented to me that evidence presented to me that suggests evidence presented to me that suggests conflicts evidence presented to me that suggests conflicts of evidence presented to me that suggests conflicts of interest evidence presented to me that suggests conflicts of interest have suggests conflicts of interest have not suggests conflicts of interest have not been suggests conflicts of interest have not been well suggests conflicts of interest have not been well managed suggests conflicts of interest have not been well managed and suggests conflicts of interest have not been well managed and I suggests conflicts of interest have not been well managed and I ask suggests conflicts of interest have not been well managed and I ask the not been well managed and I ask the member not been well managed and I ask the member to not been well managed and I ask the member to seriously not been well managed and I ask the member to seriously consider not been well managed and I ask the member to seriously consider whether member to seriously consider whether it member to seriously consider whether it is member to seriously consider whether it is appropriate member to seriously consider whether it is appropriate to member to seriously consider whether it is appropriate to drag member to seriously consider whether it is appropriate to drag senior it is appropriate to drag senior public it is appropriate to drag senior public servants' it is appropriate to drag senior public servants' names it is appropriate to drag senior public servants' names through it is appropriate to drag senior public servants' names through the public servants' names through the mud public servants' names through the mud when public servants' names through the mud when no public servants' names through the mud when no evidence public servants' names through the mud when no evidence has public servants' names through the mud when no evidence has been mud when no evidence has been presented. presented. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> The <INTERRUPTION> The Rt <INTERRUPTION> The Rt Hon <INTERRUPTION> The Rt Hon Winston <INTERRUPTION> The Rt Hon Winston Peters. <INTERRUPTION> The Rt Hon Winston Peters. 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Core Crown tax surpluses and keeping expenses under control. Core Crown tax revenue surpluses and keeping expenses under control. Core Crown tax revenue was control. Core Crown tax revenue was in control. Core Crown tax revenue was in line control. Core Crown tax revenue was in line with control. Core Crown tax revenue was in line with forecast control. Core Crown tax revenue was in line with forecast at control. Core Crown tax revenue was in line with forecast at $73.5 in line with forecast at $73.5 billion in line with forecast at $73.5 billion and in line with forecast at $73.5 billion and expenses in line with forecast at $73.5 billion and expenses of in line with forecast at $73.5 billion and expenses of $73.8 billion and expenses of $73.8 billion billion and expenses of $73.8 billion were billion and expenses of $73.8 billion were 0.6% billion and expenses of $73.8 billion were 0.6% below billion and expenses of $73.8 billion were 0.6% below forecast. billion were 0.6% below forecast. The billion were 0.6% below forecast. The Treasury billion were 0.6% below forecast. The Treasury said billion were 0.6% below forecast. The Treasury said there billion were 0.6% below forecast. The Treasury said there was billion were 0.6% below forecast. 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In other words, the labour market is stronger words, the labour market is stronger than words, the labour market is stronger than Treasury words, the labour market is stronger than Treasury expected words, the labour market is stronger than Treasury expected in words, the labour market is stronger than Treasury expected in May. than Treasury expected in May. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Why <INTERRUPTION> Why is <INTERRUPTION> Why is the <INTERRUPTION> Why is the Government <INTERRUPTION> Why is the Government taking <INTERRUPTION> Why is the Government taking the Why is the Government taking the approach Why is the Government taking the approach it Why is the Government taking the approach it is Why is the Government taking the approach it is to Why is the Government taking the approach it is to fiscal Why is the Government taking the approach it is to fiscal management? approach it is to fiscal management? We approach it is to fiscal management? We have approach it is to fiscal management? We have committed approach it is to fiscal management? We have committed to approach it is to fiscal management? We have committed to responsible We have committed to responsible management We have committed to responsible management of We have committed to responsible management of the We have committed to responsible management of the Government's management of the Government's books. management of the Government's books. We management of the Government's books. We understand management of the Government's books. We understand that management of the Government's books. We understand that it management of the Government's books. We understand that it is books. We understand that it is important books. We understand that it is important to books. We understand that it is important to run books. We understand that it is important to run sustainable important to run sustainable surpluses important to run sustainable surpluses in important to run sustainable surpluses in the important to run sustainable surpluses in the good important to run sustainable surpluses in the good times important to run sustainable surpluses in the good times so important to run sustainable surpluses in the good times so that surpluses in the good times so that we surpluses in the good times so that we have surpluses in the good times so that we have money surpluses in the good times so that we have money set surpluses in the good times so that we have money set aside surpluses in the good times so that we have money set aside for surpluses in the good times so that we have money set aside for any we have money set aside for any rainy we have money set aside for any rainy day. we have money set aside for any rainy day. We we have money set aside for any rainy day. We also we have money set aside for any rainy day. We also have we have money set aside for any rainy day. We also have a rainy day. We also have a responsibility rainy day. We also have a responsibility to rainy day. We also have a responsibility to future responsibility to future generations. responsibility to future generations. That's responsibility to future generations. That's why responsibility to future generations. That's why this generations. That's why this government's generations. That's why this government's economic generations. That's why this government's economic plan generations. That's why this government's economic plan not generations. That's why this government's economic plan not only government's economic plan not only includes government's economic plan not only includes responsible government's economic plan not only includes responsible fiscal includes responsible fiscal management, includes responsible fiscal management, but includes responsible fiscal management, but forward-looking management, but forward-looking growth-friendly management, but forward-looking growth-friendly policies management, but forward-looking growth-friendly policies that management, but forward-looking growth-friendly policies that the growth-friendly policies that the IMF growth-friendly policies that the IMF liked growth-friendly policies that the IMF liked so growth-friendly policies that the IMF liked so much growth-friendly policies that the IMF liked so much this growth-friendly policies that the IMF liked so much this week, growth-friendly policies that the IMF liked so much this week, such growth-friendly policies that the IMF liked so much this week, such as IMF liked so much this week, such as the IMF liked so much this week, such as the RND IMF liked so much this week, such as the RND tax IMF liked so much this week, such as the RND tax incentive, IMF liked so much this week, such as the RND tax incentive, the the RND tax incentive, the significant the RND tax incentive, the significant investment the RND tax incentive, the significant investment in the RND tax incentive, the significant investment in education significant investment in education and significant investment in education and training, significant investment in education and training, the significant investment in education and training, the Green significant investment in education and training, the Green Investment significant investment in education and significant investment in education Fund and our significant investment in education Fund and our record significant investment in education Fund and our record investment significant investment in education Fund and our record investment in Fund and our record investment in land, Fund and our record investment in land, transport Fund and our record investment in land, transport infrastructure Fund and our record investment in land, transport infrastructure we land, transport infrastructure we announced land, transport infrastructure we announced this land, transport infrastructure we announced this week. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Housing My question is to the Minister of Housing and My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: My question is to the Minister of Housing and Urban Development: Has Housing and Urban Development: Has he Housing and Urban Development: Has he seen Housing and Urban Development: Has he seen reports Housing and Urban Development: Has he seen reports on Housing and Urban Development: Has he seen reports on his Housing and Urban Development: Has he seen reports on his KiwiBuild he seen reports on his KiwiBuild eligibility he seen reports on his KiwiBuild eligibility criteria he seen reports on his KiwiBuild eligibility criteria today he seen reports on his KiwiBuild eligibility criteria today that eligibility criteria today that stated, eligibility criteria today that stated, "Needy eligibility criteria today that stated, "Needy families eligibility criteria today that stated, "Needy families who eligibility criteria today that stated, "Needy families who could stated, "Needy families who could really stated, "Needy families who could really use stated, "Needy families who could really use the stated, "Needy families who could really use the help stated, "Needy families who could really use the help will stated, "Needy families who could really use the help will be stated, "Needy families who could really use the help will be left stated, "Needy families who could really use the help will be left out really use the help will be left out while really use the help will be left out while a really use the help will be left out while a couple really use the help will be left out while a couple of really use the help will be left out while a couple of doctors really use the help will be left out while a couple of doctors making while a couple of doctors making $80,000 while a couple of doctors making $80,000 each while a couple of doctors making $80,000 each will while a couple of doctors making $80,000 each will happily while a couple of doctors making $80,000 each will happily move while a couple of doctors making $80,000 each will happily move into $80,000 each will happily move into a $80,000 each will happily move into a nice $80,000 each will happily move into a nice new $80,000 each will happily move into a nice new home"; $80,000 each will happily move into a nice new home"; if $80,000 each will happily move into a nice new home"; if so, $80,000 each will happily move into a nice new home"; if so, does $80,000 each will happily move into a nice new home"; if so, does he a nice new home"; if so, does he consider a nice new home"; if so, does he consider his a nice new home"; if so, does he consider his eligibility a nice new home"; if so, does he consider his eligibility criteria consider his eligibility criteria will consider his eligibility criteria will ensure consider his eligibility criteria will ensure that consider his eligibility criteria will ensure that KiwiBuild consider his eligibility criteria will ensure that KiwiBuild homes consider his eligibility criteria will ensure that KiwiBuild homes go will ensure that KiwiBuild homes go to will ensure that KiwiBuild homes go to those will ensure that KiwiBuild homes go to those who will ensure that KiwiBuild homes go to those who are will ensure that KiwiBuild homes go to those who are most will ensure that KiwiBuild homes go to those who are most in will ensure that KiwiBuild homes go to those who are most in need? The The Hon The Hon Phil The Hon Phil Twyford. The Hon Phil Twyford. I The Hon Phil Twyford. I haven't The Hon Phil Twyford. I haven't seen The Hon Phil Twyford. I haven't seen that The Hon Phil Twyford. I haven't seen that report. The Hon Phil Twyford. I haven't seen that report. But The Hon Phil Twyford. I haven't seen that report. But I The Hon Phil Twyford. I haven't seen that report. But I consider The Hon Phil Twyford. I haven't seen that report. But I consider the that report. But I consider the KiwiBuild that report. But I consider the KiwiBuild eligibility that report. But I consider the KiwiBuild eligibility criteria KiwiBuild eligibility criteria ensures KiwiBuild eligibility criteria ensures that KiwiBuild eligibility criteria ensures that home KiwiBuild eligibility criteria ensures that home also KiwiBuild eligibility criteria ensures that home also be KiwiBuild eligibility criteria ensures that home also be bought KiwiBuild eligibility criteria ensures that home also be bought by ensures that home also be bought by the ensures that home also be bought by the families ensures that home also be bought by the families most ensures that home also be bought by the families most in ensures that home also be bought by the families most in need. ensures that home also be bought by the families most in need. In ensures that home also be bought by the families most in need. In three the families most in need. In three ways the families most in need. In three ways this the families most in need. In three ways this is the families most in need. 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Three, decade can once again have a chance at owning a home. Three, by decade can once again have a chance at owning a home. Three, by selling at owning a home. Three, by selling at at owning a home. Three, by selling at a at owning a home. Three, by selling at a fixed at owning a home. Three, by selling at a fixed price at owning a home. Three, by selling at a fixed price and at owning a home. Three, by selling at a fixed price and using at owning a home. Three, by selling at a fixed price and using a at owning a home. Three, by selling at a fixed price and using a balance at a fixed price and using a balance system, at a fixed price and using a balance system, everyone at a fixed price and using a balance system, everyone will at a fixed price and using a balance system, everyone will have at a fixed price and using a balance system, everyone will have the at a fixed price and using a balance system, everyone will have the same system, everyone will have the same chance, system, everyone will have the same chance, those system, everyone will have the same chance, those on system, everyone will have the same chance, those on lower system, everyone will have the same chance, those on lower incomes system, everyone will have the same chance, those on lower incomes will chance, those on lower incomes will not chance, those on lower incomes will not be chance, those on lower incomes will not be out-bid chance, those on lower incomes will not be out-bid by chance, those on lower incomes will not be out-bid by those chance, those on lower incomes will not be out-bid by those on chance, those on lower incomes will not be out-bid by those on higher not be out-bid by those on higher incomes not be out-bid by those on higher incomes as not be out-bid by those on higher incomes as they not be out-bid by those on higher incomes as they are not be out-bid by those on higher incomes as they are in not be out-bid by those on higher incomes as they are in the not be out-bid by those on higher incomes as they are in the open incomes as they are in the open market. market. <INTERRUPTION> Does Does he Does he realise Does he realise that Does he realise that his Does he realise that his income Does he realise that his income eligibility Does he realise that his income eligibility criteria Does he realise that his income eligibility criteria that Does he realise that his income eligibility criteria that includes eligibility criteria that includes households eligibility criteria that includes households with eligibility criteria that includes households with incomes eligibility criteria that includes households with incomes up eligibility criteria that includes households with incomes up to households with incomes up to $180,000, households with incomes up to $180,000, allows households with incomes up to $180,000, allows households households with incomes up to $180,000, allows households that households with incomes up to $180,000, allows households that are $180,000, allows households that are in $180,000, allows households that are in the $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% most $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% most wealthy $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% most wealthy in $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% most wealthy in New in the 15% most wealthy in New Zealand in the 15% most wealthy in New Zealand to in the 15% most wealthy in New Zealand to become in the 15% most wealthy in New Zealand to become eligible in the 15% most wealthy in New Zealand to become eligible for Zealand to become eligible for KiwiBuild? Zealand to become eligible for KiwiBuild? I Zealand to become eligible for KiwiBuild? I do Zealand to become eligible for KiwiBuild? I do realise Zealand to become eligible for KiwiBuild? I do realise that. Zealand to become eligible for KiwiBuild? I do realise that. In KiwiBuild? I do realise that. In setting KiwiBuild? I do realise that. In setting the KiwiBuild? I do realise that. In setting the eligibility KiwiBuild? I do realise that. In setting the eligibility cap KiwiBuild? I do realise that. In setting the eligibility cap we setting the eligibility cap we looked setting the eligibility cap we looked at setting the eligibility cap we looked at the setting the eligibility cap we looked at the data setting the eligibility cap we looked at the data and setting the eligibility cap we looked at the data and saw setting the eligibility cap we looked at the data and saw that setting the eligibility cap we looked at the data and saw that the looked at the data and saw that the greatest looked at the data and saw that the greatest fall looked at the data and saw that the greatest fall in looked at the data and saw that the greatest fall in home looked at the data and saw that the greatest fall in home ownership looked at the data and saw that the greatest fall in home ownership in greatest fall in home ownership in the greatest fall in home ownership in the past greatest fall in home ownership in the past decade greatest fall in home ownership in the past decade has greatest fall in home ownership in the past decade has been greatest fall in home ownership in the past decade has been in greatest fall in home ownership in the past decade has been in the the past decade has been in the $80,000 the past decade has been in the $80,000 to the past decade has been in the $80,000 to roughly the past decade has been in the $80,000 to roughly $180,000 the past decade has been in the $80,000 to roughly $180,000 income $80,000 to roughly $180,000 income range. $80,000 to roughly $180,000 income range. This $80,000 to roughly $180,000 income range. This income $80,000 to roughly $180,000 income range. This income range $80,000 to roughly $180,000 income range. This income range also range. This income range also comprises range. This income range also comprises half range. This income range also comprises half of range. This income range also comprises half of families range. This income range also comprises half of families with comprises half of families with children comprises half of families with children and comprises half of families with children and these comprises half of families with children and these are comprises half of families with children and these are the comprises half of families with children and these are the young children and these are the young families, children and these are the young families, who children and these are the young families, who less children and these are the young families, who less than children and these are the young families, who less than a children and these are the young families, who less than a generation families, who less than a generation ago, families, who less than a generation ago, would families, who less than a generation ago, would have families, who less than a generation ago, would have realistically ago, would have realistically expected ago, would have realistically expected they ago, would have realistically expected they would ago, would have realistically expected they would be ago, would have realistically expected they would be able ago, would have realistically expected they would be able to ago, would have realistically expected they would be able to own expected they would be able to own their expected they would be able to own their own expected they would be able to own their own home. The The Rt The Rt Hon The Rt Hon Winston The Rt Hon Winston Peters. The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? No, The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? No, I The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? No, I called The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? No, I called the The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? No, I called the Rt The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? No, I called the Rt Hon The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? No, I called the Rt Hon Winston The Rt Hon Winston Peters. Me? No, I called the Rt Hon Winston Peters. called the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Could called the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Could I called the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Could I ask called the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Could I ask the called the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Could I ask the minister called the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Could I ask the minister this Could I ask the minister this question. Could I ask the minister this question. How Could I ask the minister this question. How many Could I ask the minister this question. How many submission Could I ask the minister this question. How many submission has Could I ask the minister this question. How many submission has he question. How many submission has he received question. How many submission has he received from question. How many submission has he received from Judith question. How many submission has he received from Judith Collins question. How many submission has he received from Judith Collins on question. How many submission has he received from Judith Collins on this received from Judith Collins on this matter received from Judith Collins on this matter of received from Judith Collins on this matter of housing received from Judith Collins on this matter of housing and received from Judith Collins on this matter of housing and how received from Judith Collins on this matter of housing and how many received from Judith Collins on this matter of housing and how many has matter of housing and how many has he matter of housing and how many has he received matter of housing and how many has he received from matter of housing and how many has he received from someone matter of housing and how many has he received from someone who matter of housing and how many has he received from someone who is he received from someone who is taking he received from someone who is taking her he received from someone who is taking her place he received from someone who is taking her place while he received from someone who is taking her place while she he received from someone who is taking her place while she is taking her place while she is temporarily taking her place while she is temporarily overseas, taking her place while she is temporarily overseas, name taking her place while she is temporarily overseas, name Liam temporarily overseas, name Liam Adams? temporarily overseas, name Liam Adams? Who temporarily overseas, name Liam Adams? Who has temporarily overseas, name Liam Adams? Who has asked temporarily overseas, name Liam Adams? Who has asked the temporarily overseas, name Liam Adams? Who has asked the most Adams? Who has asked the most questions Adams? Who has asked the most questions in Adams? Who has asked the most questions in the Adams? Who has asked the most questions in the past? Adams? Who has asked the most questions in the past? Order! Adams? Who has asked the most questions in the past? Order! The questions in the past? Order! The minister questions in the past? Order! The minister doesn't questions in the past? Order! The minister doesn't have questions in the past? Order! The minister doesn't have responsibility minister doesn't have responsibility for minister doesn't have responsibility for members minister doesn't have responsibility for members asking minister doesn't have responsibility for members asking questions. minister doesn't have responsibility for members asking questions. Is minister doesn't have responsibility for members asking questions. Is the for members asking questions. Is the real for members asking questions. Is the real reason for members asking questions. Is the real reason the for members asking questions. Is the real reason the income for members asking questions. Is the real reason the income caps for members asking questions. Is the real reason the income caps have real reason the income caps have been real reason the income caps have been set real reason the income caps have been set at real reason the income caps have been set at more real reason the income caps have been set at more than real reason the income caps have been set at more than double real reason the income caps have been set at more than double the been set at more than double the median been set at more than double the median household been set at more than double the median household income been set at more than double the median household income is been set at more than double the median household income is that been set at more than double the median household income is that he median household income is that he now median household income is that he now accepts median household income is that he now accepts that median household income is that he now accepts that he median household income is that he now accepts that he has median household income is that he now accepts that he has failed median household income is that he now accepts that he has failed to now accepts that he has failed to build now accepts that he has failed to build houses now accepts that he has failed to build houses that now accepts that he has failed to build houses that will now accepts that he has failed to build houses that will be now accepts that he has failed to build houses that will be affordable build houses that will be affordable for build houses that will be affordable for truly build houses that will be affordable for truly middle build houses that will be affordable for truly middle income build houses that will be affordable for truly middle income earners, build houses that will be affordable for truly middle income earners, so for truly middle income earners, so he's for truly middle income earners, so he's had for truly middle income earners, so he's had to for truly middle income earners, so he's had to cast for truly middle income earners, so he's had to cast the for truly middle income earners, so he's had to cast the net for truly middle income earners, so he's had to cast the net to for truly middle income earners, so he's had to cast the net to include he's had to cast the net to include virtually he's had to cast the net to include virtually every he's had to cast the net to include virtually every first he's had to cast the net to include virtually every first home he's had to cast the net to include virtually every first home buyer he's had to cast the net to include virtually every first home buyer to virtually every first home buyer to ensure virtually every first home buyer to ensure he virtually every first home buyer to ensure he can virtually every first home buyer to ensure he can get virtually every first home buyer to ensure he can get the virtually every first home buyer to ensure he can get the few virtually every first home buyer to ensure he can get the few houses ensure he can get the few houses he's ensure he can get the few houses he's building ensure he can get the few houses he's building sold? ensure he can get the few houses he's building sold? The ensure he can get the few houses he's building sold? The real ensure he can get the few houses he's building sold? The real reason he's building sold? The real reason for he's building sold? The real reason for the he's building sold? The real reason for the setting he's building sold? The real reason for the setting of he's building sold? The real reason for the setting of the he's building sold? 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Supplementary. themselves completely shut out of home ownership. Supplementary. Who home ownership. Supplementary. Who would home ownership. Supplementary. Who would miss home ownership. Supplementary. Who would miss out home ownership. Supplementary. Who would miss out if home ownership. Supplementary. Who would miss out if the home ownership. Supplementary. Who would miss out if the income home ownership. Supplementary. Who would miss out if the income cap home ownership. Supplementary. Who would miss out if the income cap was would miss out if the income cap was lowered would miss out if the income cap was lowered or would miss out if the income cap was lowered or set would miss out if the income cap was lowered or set at would miss out if the income cap was lowered or set at the would miss out if the income cap was lowered or set at the same would miss out if the income cap was lowered or set at the same level would miss out if the income cap was lowered or set at the same level as lowered or set at the same level as the lowered or set at the same level as the KiwiSaver lowered or set at the same level as the KiwiSaver HomeStart lowered or set at the same level as the KiwiSaver HomeStart grant? lowered or set at the same level as the KiwiSaver HomeStart grant? A the KiwiSaver HomeStart grant? A couple the KiwiSaver HomeStart grant? A couple of the KiwiSaver HomeStart grant? A couple of teachers the KiwiSaver HomeStart grant? 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The Government was not prepared to in the $150,000 range. The Government was not prepared to set in the $150,000 range. The Government was not prepared to set a Government was not prepared to set a cap Government was not prepared to set a cap so Government was not prepared to set a cap so low Government was not prepared to set a cap so low that Government was not prepared to set a cap so low that it Government was not prepared to set a cap so low that it would Government was not prepared to set a cap so low that it would exclude cap so low that it would exclude hardworking cap so low that it would exclude hardworking teachers, cap so low that it would exclude hardworking teachers, tradies cap so low that it would exclude hardworking teachers, tradies and hardworking teachers, tradies and young hardworking teachers, tradies and young professionals hardworking teachers, tradies and young professionals who hardworking teachers, tradies and young professionals who now hardworking teachers, tradies and young professionals who now find young professionals who now find themselves young professionals who now find themselves locked young professionals who now find themselves locked out young professionals who now find themselves locked out of young professionals who now find themselves locked out of the themselves locked out of the Auckland themselves locked out of the Auckland housing themselves locked out of the Auckland housing market. themselves locked out of the Auckland housing market. Will Auckland housing market. Will buyers, Auckland housing market. Will buyers, who Auckland housing market. Will buyers, who are Auckland housing market. Will buyers, who are beneficiaries Auckland housing market. Will buyers, who are beneficiaries of buyers, who are beneficiaries of family buyers, who are beneficiaries of family trusts buyers, who are beneficiaries of family trusts that buyers, who are beneficiaries of family trusts that own buyers, who are beneficiaries of family trusts that own residential family trusts that own residential property, family trusts that own residential property, be family trusts that own residential property, be eligible family trusts that own residential property, be eligible to family trusts that own residential property, be eligible to apply family trusts that own residential property, be eligible to apply for family trusts that own residential property, be eligible to apply for a property, be eligible to apply for a KiwiBuild property, be eligible to apply for a KiwiBuild home? property, be eligible to apply for a KiwiBuild home? Well, property, be eligible to apply for a KiwiBuild home? Well, I property, be eligible to apply for a KiwiBuild home? 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Well, I don't think that someone with assets, that someone with assets, considerable that someone with assets, considerable assets, that someone with assets, considerable assets, who that someone with assets, considerable assets, who would that someone with assets, considerable assets, who would have considerable assets, who would have the considerable assets, who would have the pick considerable assets, who would have the pick of considerable assets, who would have the pick of the considerable assets, who would have the pick of the homes considerable assets, who would have the pick of the homes on considerable assets, who would have the pick of the homes on the considerable assets, who would have the pick of the homes on the market, the pick of the homes on the market, will the pick of the homes on the market, will choose the pick of the homes on the market, will choose a the pick of the homes on the market, will choose a modest the pick of the homes on the market, will choose a modest starter the pick of the homes on the market, will choose a modest starter home will choose a modest starter home and will choose a modest starter home and go will choose a modest starter home and go through will choose a modest starter home and go through a will choose a modest starter home and go through a ballot will choose a modest starter home and go through a ballot process. will choose a modest starter home and go through a ballot process. I and go through a ballot process. I just and go through a ballot process. I just don't and go through a ballot process. I just don't think and go through a ballot process. I just don't think that's and go through a ballot process. I just don't think that's realistic. just don't think that's realistic. It just don't think that's realistic. It was just don't think that's realistic. It was a just don't think that's realistic. It was a very just don't think that's realistic. It was a very straight just don't think that's realistic. It was a very straight question... It was a very straight question... It It was a very straight question... It was. It was a very straight question... It was. The It was a very straight question... It was. The member It was a very straight question... It was. The member should It was a very straight question... It was. The member should tell It was a very straight question... It was. The member should tell us It was. The member should tell us that It was. 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It is not our intention to place further restrictions on the place further restrictions on the eligibility place further restrictions on the eligibility criteria. place further restrictions on the eligibility criteria. We place further restrictions on the eligibility criteria. We don't eligibility criteria. We don't believe eligibility criteria. We don't believe that eligibility criteria. We don't believe that the eligibility criteria. We don't believe that the scenario eligibility criteria. We don't believe that the scenario the eligibility criteria. We don't believe that the scenario the member believe that the scenario the member faces believe that the scenario the member faces is believe that the scenario the member faces is at believe that the scenario the member faces is at all believe that the scenario the member faces is at all realistic. believe that the scenario the member faces is at all realistic. Marja faces is at all realistic. Marja Lubeck. faces is at all realistic. 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Why did the Government choose to adopt a higher Government choose to adopt a higher income Government choose to adopt a higher income limit Government choose to adopt a higher income limit than Government choose to adopt a higher income limit than the Government choose to adopt a higher income limit than the KiwiSaver income limit than the KiwiSaver HomeStart income limit than the KiwiSaver HomeStart Grant? income limit than the KiwiSaver HomeStart Grant? The income limit than the KiwiSaver HomeStart Grant? The KiwiSaver HomeStart Grant? The KiwiSaver HomeStart HomeStart Grant? The KiwiSaver HomeStart grant HomeStart Grant? The KiwiSaver HomeStart grant has HomeStart Grant? The KiwiSaver HomeStart grant has not HomeStart Grant? The KiwiSaver HomeStart grant has not worked HomeStart Grant? The KiwiSaver HomeStart grant has not worked in HomeStart grant has not worked in Auckland HomeStart grant has not worked in Auckland and HomeStart grant has not worked in Auckland and Queenstown. HomeStart grant has not worked in Auckland and Queenstown. For Auckland and Queenstown. For example, Auckland and Queenstown. For example, less Auckland and Queenstown. For example, less than Auckland and Queenstown. For example, less than 9% Auckland and Queenstown. For example, less than 9% of Auckland and Queenstown. For example, less than 9% of HomeStart example, less than 9% of HomeStart grants example, less than 9% of HomeStart grants are example, less than 9% of HomeStart grants are for example, less than 9% of HomeStart grants are for homes example, less than 9% of HomeStart grants are for homes purchased example, less than 9% of HomeStart grants are for homes purchased in grants are for homes purchased in Auckland, grants are for homes purchased in Auckland, grossly grants are for homes purchased in Auckland, grossly disproportionate Auckland, grossly disproportionate to Auckland, grossly disproportionate to the Auckland, grossly disproportionate to the number Auckland, grossly disproportionate to the number of Auckland, grossly disproportionate to the number of Auckland Auckland, grossly disproportionate to the number of Auckland first to the number of Auckland first homebuyers. to the number of Auckland first homebuyers. The to the number of Auckland first homebuyers. The cap to the number of Auckland first homebuyers. The cap is to the number of Auckland first homebuyers. The cap is so to the number of Auckland first homebuyers. The cap is so low to the number of Auckland first homebuyers. The cap is so low that homebuyers. The cap is so low that even homebuyers. The cap is so low that even with homebuyers. The cap is so low that even with the homebuyers. The cap is so low that even with the grant homebuyers. The cap is so low that even with the grant available, even with the grant available, families even with the grant available, families struggle even with the grant available, families struggle to even with the grant available, families struggle to find even with the grant available, families struggle to find a even with the grant available, families struggle to find a home families struggle to find a home that families struggle to find a home that they families struggle to find a home that they can families struggle to find a home that they can buy. families struggle to find a home that they can buy. We families struggle to find a home that they can buy. We knew families struggle to find a home that they can buy. We knew that families struggle to find a home that they can buy. We knew that we that they can buy. We knew that we needed that they can buy. We knew that we needed to that they can buy. We knew that we needed to make that they can buy. We knew that we needed to make sure that they can buy. We knew that we needed to make sure that that they can buy. We knew that we needed to make sure that KiwiBuild needed to make sure that KiwiBuild actually needed to make sure that KiwiBuild actually responds needed to make sure that KiwiBuild actually responds to needed to make sure that KiwiBuild actually responds to families needed to make sure that KiwiBuild actually responds to families in actually responds to families in need. actually responds to families in need. When actually responds to families in need. When answers actually responds to families in need. When answers given actually responds to families in need. When answers given on actually responds to families in need. When answers given on his need. When answers given on his behalf need. When answers given on his behalf said need. When answers given on his behalf said that need. When answers given on his behalf said that properties need. When answers given on his behalf said that properties could need. When answers given on his behalf said that properties could be behalf said that properties could be sold behalf said that properties could be sold off-the-plans behalf said that properties could be sold off-the-plans to behalf said that properties could be sold off-the-plans to some behalf said that properties could be sold off-the-plans to some buyers behalf said that properties could be sold off-the-plans to some buyers -- sold off-the-plans to some buyers -- directly sold off-the-plans to some buyers -- directly off-the-plans sold off-the-plans to some buyers -- directly off-the-plans to sold off-the-plans to some buyers -- directly off-the-plans to some directly off-the-plans to some buyers directly off-the-plans to some buyers without directly off-the-plans to some buyers without these directly off-the-plans to some buyers without these properties buyers without these properties going buyers without these properties going to buyers without these properties going to a buyers without these properties going to a ballot, buyers without these properties going to a ballot, which buyers without these properties going to a ballot, which buyers buyers without these properties going to a ballot, which buyers are going to a ballot, which buyers are going going to a ballot, which buyers are going to going to a ballot, which buyers are going to get going to a ballot, which buyers are going to get this going to a ballot, which buyers are going to get this fast-interesting going to get this fast-interesting option? going to get this fast-interesting option? 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Question obvious thing to do to allow a direct sale. Question No. obvious thing to do to allow a direct sale. Question No. 7. obvious thing to do to allow a direct sale. Question No. 7. Point direct sale. Question No. 7. Point of direct sale. Question No. 7. Point of order. direct sale. Question No. 7. Point of order. A direct sale. Question No. 7. Point of order. A point direct sale. Question No. 7. Point of order. A point of direct sale. Question No. 7. Point of order. A point of order. direct sale. Question No. 7. Point of order. A point of order. I direct sale. Question No. 7. Point of order. A point of order. I seek of order. A point of order. I seek leave of order. A point of order. I seek leave to of order. A point of order. I seek leave to have of order. A point of order. I seek leave to have this of order. A point of order. I seek leave to have this question of order. A point of order. I seek leave to have this question held leave to have this question held over leave to have this question held over until leave to have this question held over until the leave to have this question held over until the next leave to have this question held over until the next sitting leave to have this question held over until the next sitting day leave to have this question held over until the next sitting day as over until the next sitting day as an over until the next sitting day as an additional over until the next sitting day as an additional question over until the next sitting day as an additional question until over until the next sitting day as an additional question until the an additional question until the minister an additional question until the minister is an additional question until the minister is able an additional question until the minister is able to an additional question until the minister is able to answer an additional question until the minister is able to answer it an additional question until the minister is able to answer it Is minister is able to answer it Is there minister is able to answer it Is there any minister is able to answer it Is there any objection minister is able to answer it Is there any objection to minister is able to answer it Is there any objection to that minister is able to answer it Is there any objection to that process? there any objection to that process? Yes, there any objection to that process? Yes, there there any objection to that process? Yes, there is. there any objection to that process? Yes, there is. Does there any objection to that process? Yes, there is. Does the there any objection to that process? Yes, there is. Does the member there any objection to that process? Yes, there is. Does the member still Yes, there is. Does the member still want Yes, there is. Does the member still want to Yes, there is. Does the member still want to proceed? Yes, there is. Does the member still want to proceed? Yes. Yes, there is. Does the member still want to proceed? Yes. The Yes, there is. Does the member still want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Yes, there is. Does the member still want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Nikki want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Nikki Kaye. want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Nikki Kaye. A want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Nikki Kaye. A question want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Nikki Kaye. A question to want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Nikki Kaye. A question to the want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Nikki Kaye. A question to the Minister want to proceed? Yes. The Hon Nikki Kaye. A question to the Minister for Kaye. A question to the Minister for Crown/Maori Kaye. Kaye. A Kaye. A question Kaye. A question to Kaye. A question to the Kaye. A question to the Minister Kaye. A question to the Minister for Kaye. A question to the Minister for Crown/Maori Crown/Maori Does Crown/Maori Does he Crown/Maori Does he realise Crown/Maori Does he realise that Crown/Maori Does he realise that his Crown/Maori Does he realise that his income Does he realise that his income eligibility Does he realise that his income eligibility criteria Does he realise that his income eligibility criteria that Does he realise that his income eligibility criteria that includes eligibility criteria that includes households eligibility criteria that includes households with eligibility criteria that includes households with incomes eligibility criteria that includes households with incomes up eligibility criteria that includes households with incomes up to households with incomes up to $180,000, households with incomes up to $180,000, allows households with incomes up to $180,000, allows households households with incomes up to $180,000, allows households that households with incomes up to $180,000, allows households that are $180,000, allows households that are in $180,000, allows households that are in the $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% most $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% most wealthy $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% most wealthy in $180,000, allows households that are in the 15% most wealthy in New in the 15% most wealthy in New Zealand On On behalf On behalf of On behalf of the On behalf of the minister, On behalf of the minister, yes. 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Does he think that the principle of a he think that the principle of a Government he think that the principle of a Government dismissing he think that the principle of a Government dismissing a he think that the principle of a Government dismissing a Waitangi Government dismissing a Waitangi Tribunal Government dismissing a Waitangi Tribunal claim Government dismissing a Waitangi Tribunal claim within Government dismissing a Waitangi Tribunal claim within hours Government dismissing a Waitangi Tribunal claim within hours of Government dismissing a Waitangi Tribunal claim within hours of it Tribunal claim within hours of it being Tribunal claim within hours of it being made Tribunal claim within hours of it being made public Tribunal claim within hours of it being made public is Tribunal claim within hours of it being made public is the Tribunal claim within hours of it being made public is the start Tribunal claim within hours of it being made public is the start of Tribunal claim within hours of it being made public is the start of a being made public is the start of a new being made public is the start of a new way being made public is the start of a new way of being made public is the start of a new way of working being made public is the start of a new way of working and being made public is the start of a new way of working and good being made public is the start of a new way of working and good for new way of working and good for Crown new way of working and good for Crown and new way of working and good for Crown and Maori new way of working and good for Crown and Maori relations? new way of working and good for Crown and Maori relations? The Crown and Maori relations? The Government Crown and Maori relations? The Government has Crown and Maori relations? The Government has not Crown and Maori relations? The Government has not dismissed Crown and Maori relations? The Government has not dismissed the Government has not dismissed the claim? Government has not dismissed the claim? Supplementary Government has not dismissed the claim? Supplementary question. Government has not dismissed the claim? Supplementary question. Mr claim? Supplementary question. Mr Speaker, claim? Supplementary question. Mr Speaker, does claim? Supplementary question. Mr Speaker, does he claim? Supplementary question. Mr Speaker, does he believe claim? Supplementary question. Mr Speaker, does he believe that claim? Supplementary question. 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Does he have confidence in the Iwi Chairs forum and their in the Iwi Chairs forum and their relationship in the Iwi Chairs forum and their relationship with in the Iwi Chairs forum and their relationship with the in the Iwi Chairs forum and their relationship with the Crown in the Iwi Chairs forum and their relationship with the Crown given relationship with the Crown given statements relationship with the Crown given statements made relationship with the Crown given statements made by relationship with the Crown given statements made by Willie relationship with the Crown given statements made by Willie Jackson statements made by Willie Jackson that statements made by Willie Jackson that he statements made by Willie Jackson that he is statements made by Willie Jackson that he is not statements made by Willie Jackson that he is not interested statements made by Willie Jackson that he is not interested in statements made by Willie Jackson that he is not interested in iwi that he is not interested in iwi leaders that he is not interested in iwi leaders concerns, that he is not interested in iwi leaders concerns, Shane that he is not interested in iwi leaders concerns, Shane Jones, that he is not interested in iwi leaders concerns, Shane Jones, who leaders concerns, Shane Jones, who said leaders concerns, Shane Jones, who said he leaders concerns, Shane Jones, who said he wouldn't leaders concerns, Shane Jones, who said he wouldn't talk leaders concerns, Shane Jones, who said he wouldn't talk to leaders concerns, Shane Jones, who said he wouldn't talk to the leaders concerns, Shane Jones, who said he wouldn't talk to the iwi said he wouldn't talk to the iwi Chairs said he wouldn't talk to the iwi Chairs Forum said he wouldn't talk to the iwi Chairs Forum before said he wouldn't talk to the iwi Chairs Forum before Halley's said he wouldn't talk to the iwi Chairs Forum before Halley's Comet Chairs Forum before Halley's Comet comes Chairs Forum before Halley's Comet comes back Chairs Forum before Halley's Comet comes back and Chairs Forum before Halley's Comet comes back and comments Chairs Forum before Halley's Comet comes back and comments by Chairs Forum before Halley's Comet comes back and comments by Sir Chairs Forum before Halley's Comet comes back and comments by Sir Toby comes back and comments by Sir Toby Curtis comes back and comments by Sir Toby Curtis that comes back and comments by Sir Toby Curtis that there comes back and comments by Sir Toby Curtis that there has comes back and comments by Sir Toby Curtis that there has been comes back and comments by Sir Toby Curtis that there has been a comes back and comments by Sir Toby Curtis that there has been a look comes back and comments by Sir Toby Curtis that there has been a look of Curtis that there has been a look of consoletation Curtis that there has been a look of consoletation on Curtis that there has been a look of consoletation on education Curtis that there has been a look of consoletation on education policies? consoletation on education policies? 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I and that's why there is a claim in the Waitangi Tribunal? I absolutely the Waitangi Tribunal? I absolutely reject the Waitangi Tribunal? I absolutely reject the the Waitangi Tribunal? I absolutely reject the prem the Waitangi Tribunal? I absolutely reject the prem missof the Waitangi Tribunal? I absolutely reject the prem missof the the Waitangi Tribunal? I absolutely reject the prem missof the member's reject the prem missof the member's question. reject the prem missof the member's question. In reject the prem missof the member's question. In fact, reject the prem missof the member's question. In fact, the reject the prem missof the member's question. In fact, the education question. In fact, the education work question. In fact, the education work plan question. In fact, the education work plan involves question. In fact, the education work plan involves extensive work plan involves extensive consultation work plan involves extensive consultation with work plan involves extensive consultation with all work plan involves extensive consultation with all New consultation with all New Zealanders. consultation with all New Zealanders. There consultation with all New Zealanders. There were consultation with all New Zealanders. There were many consultation with all New Zealanders. There were many Maori Zealanders. There were many Maori represented Zealanders. There were many Maori represented at Zealanders. There were many Maori represented at the Zealanders. There were many Maori represented at the education Zealanders. There were many Maori represented at the education summits represented at the education summits that represented at the education summits that were represented at the education summits that were held represented at the education summits that were held in represented at the education summits that were held in Christchurch represented at the education summits that were held in Christchurch and that were held in Christchurch and Auckland, that were held in Christchurch and Auckland, including that were held in Christchurch and Auckland, including people that were held in Christchurch and Auckland, including people who that were held in Christchurch and Auckland, including people who hold Auckland, including people who hold relatively Auckland, including people who hold relatively senior Auckland, including people who hold relatively senior positions Auckland, including people who hold relatively senior positions within relatively senior positions within iwi relatively senior positions within iwi around relatively senior positions within iwi around the relatively senior positions within iwi around the country. relatively senior positions within iwi around the country. This iwi around the country. This Government iwi around the country. This Government is iwi around the country. This Government is interested iwi around the country. This Government is interested in iwi around the country. This Government is interested in hearing Government is interested in hearing from Government is interested in hearing from the Government is interested in hearing from the views Government is interested in hearing from the views of Government is interested in hearing from the views of all Government is interested in hearing from the views of all New Government is interested in hearing from the views of all New Zealanders from the views of all New Zealanders on from the views of all New Zealanders on education. from the views of all New Zealanders on education. <INTERRUPTION> on education. <INTERRUPTION> Question on education. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. on education. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 8. on on education. on education. <INTERRUPTION> on education. <INTERRUPTION> Question on education. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. on education. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 8. 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KiwiBuild is about restoring the KiwiBuild is about restoring the opportunity KiwiBuild is about restoring the opportunity of KiwiBuild is about restoring the opportunity of home KiwiBuild is about restoring the opportunity of home ownership KiwiBuild is about restoring the opportunity of home ownership to opportunity of home ownership to Kiwi opportunity of home ownership to Kiwi families. opportunity of home ownership to Kiwi families. We've opportunity of home ownership to Kiwi families. We've aimed opportunity of home ownership to Kiwi families. We've aimed to opportunity of home ownership to Kiwi families. We've aimed to strike Kiwi families. We've aimed to strike a Kiwi families. We've aimed to strike a balance. Kiwi families. We've aimed to strike a balance. We've Kiwi families. We've aimed to strike a balance. We've excluded Kiwi families. We've aimed to strike a balance. We've excluded the Kiwi families. We've aimed to strike a balance. We've excluded the very a balance. 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