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Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. 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I two points of order. Shane Reti is the senior member. I seek two points of order. Shane Reti is the senior member. I seek leave two points of order. Shane Reti is the senior member. I seek leave to the senior member. I seek leave to introduce the senior member. I seek leave to introduce the the senior member. I seek leave to introduce the Misuse the senior member. I seek leave to introduce the Misuse of the senior member. 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Yes Yes Does Yes Does he Yes Does he believe Yes Does he believe that Yes Does he believe that New Yes Does he believe that New Zealand Yes Does he believe that New Zealand should Yes Does he believe that New Zealand should implement Yes Does he believe that New Zealand should implement a Yes Does he believe that New Zealand should implement a comprehensive should implement a comprehensive medicinal should implement a comprehensive medicinal cannabis should implement a comprehensive medicinal cannabis regime should implement a comprehensive medicinal cannabis regime that should implement a comprehensive medicinal cannabis regime that would medicinal cannabis regime that would widen medicinal cannabis regime that would widen access medicinal cannabis regime that would widen access to medicinal cannabis regime that would widen access to medicinal medicinal cannabis regime that would widen access to medicinal cannabis widen access to medicinal cannabis and widen access to medicinal cannabis and licence widen access to medicinal cannabis and licence high-quality widen access to medicinal cannabis and licence high-quality domestic and licence high-quality domestic production? and licence high-quality domestic production? 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The Government's view is that if the other Members of that if the other Members of Parliament that if the other Members of Parliament were that if the other Members of Parliament were serious that if the other Members of Parliament were serious in that if the other Members of Parliament were serious in this Parliament were serious in this matter Parliament were serious in this matter then Parliament were serious in this matter then they Parliament were serious in this matter then they would Parliament were serious in this matter then they would not Parliament were serious in this matter then they would not have Parliament were serious in this matter then they would not have put matter then they would not have put it matter then they would not have put it into matter then they would not have put it into a matter then they would not have put it into a member's matter then they would not have put it into a member's bill matter then they would not have put it into a member's bill in matter then they would not have put it into a member's bill in a matter then they would not have put it into a member's bill in a ballot it into a member's bill in a ballot that it into a member's bill in a ballot that may it into a member's bill in a ballot that may not it into a member's bill in a ballot that may not be it into a member's bill in a ballot that may not be drawn it into a member's bill in a ballot that may not be drawn in it into a member's bill in a ballot that may not be drawn in favour it into a member's bill in a ballot that may not be drawn in favour of that may not be drawn in favour of the that may not be drawn in favour of the bill that may not be drawn in favour of the bill and that may not be drawn in favour of the bill and they that may not be drawn in favour of the bill and they would that may not be drawn in favour of the bill and they would have that may not be drawn in favour of the bill and they would have in that may not be drawn in favour of the bill and they would have in the the bill and they would have in the last the bill and they would have in the last nine the bill and they would have in the last nine years the bill and they would have in the last nine years showed the bill and they would have in the last nine years showed their last nine years showed their integrity last nine years showed their integrity on last nine years showed their integrity on this last nine years showed their integrity on this issue last nine years showed their integrity on this issue rather last nine years showed their integrity on this issue rather than integrity on this issue rather than playing integrity on this issue rather than playing silly integrity on this issue rather than playing silly politics. playing silly politics. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Does <INTERRUPTION> Does he <INTERRUPTION> Does he agree <INTERRUPTION> Does he agree that <INTERRUPTION> Does he agree that New <INTERRUPTION> Does he agree that New Zealanders Does he agree that New Zealanders deserve Does he agree that New Zealanders deserve greater Does he agree that New Zealanders deserve greater access Does he agree that New Zealanders deserve greater access to deserve greater access to high-quality deserve greater access to high-quality medicinal deserve greater access to high-quality medicinal cannabis high-quality medicinal cannabis products high-quality medicinal cannabis products to high-quality medicinal cannabis products to ease high-quality medicinal cannabis products to ease their high-quality medicinal cannabis products to ease their suffering high-quality medicinal cannabis products to ease their suffering but products to ease their suffering but that products to ease their suffering but that we products to ease their suffering but that we must products to ease their suffering but that we must also products to ease their suffering but that we must also have products to ease their suffering but that we must also have the products to ease their suffering but that we must also have the right that we must also have the right legislative that we must also have the right legislative and that we must also have the right legislative and regulatory that we must also have the right legislative and regulatory controls legislative and regulatory controls in legislative and regulatory controls in place legislative and regulatory controls in place to legislative and regulatory controls in place to manage legislative and regulatory controls in place to manage that legislative and regulatory controls in place to manage that access? legislative and regulatory controls in place to manage that access? The in place to manage that access? The Government's in place to manage that access? The Government's position in place to manage that access? The Government's position is in place to manage that access? The Government's position is that in place to manage that access? The Government's position is that having Government's position is that having observed Government's position is that having observed nine Government's position is that having observed nine years Government's position is that having observed nine years of Government's position is that having observed nine years of nothing Government's position is that having observed nine years of nothing on observed nine years of nothing on this observed nine years of nothing on this issue, observed nine years of nothing on this issue, in observed nine years of nothing on this issue, in the observed nine years of nothing on this issue, in the first observed nine years of nothing on this issue, in the first 100 observed nine years of nothing on this issue, in the first 100 days this issue, in the first 100 days the this issue, in the first 100 days the Government this issue, in the first 100 days the Government sought this issue, in the first 100 days the Government sought to this issue, in the first 100 days the Government sought to change this issue, in the first 100 days the Government sought to change the the Government sought to change the law the Government sought to change the law to the Government sought to change the law to enable the Government sought to change the law to enable a the Government sought to change the law to enable a consideration the Government sought to change the law to enable a consideration by law to enable a consideration by parliament law to enable a consideration by parliament and law to enable a consideration by parliament and that's law to enable a consideration by parliament and that's happening law to enable a consideration by parliament and that's happening as parliament and that's happening as we parliament and that's happening as we speak. parliament and that's happening as we speak. 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The main risk is we will continue Plans KiwiBuild programme? The main risk is we will continue to Plans KiwiBuild programme? The main risk is we will continue to see risk is we will continue to see residential risk is we will continue to see residential developments risk is we will continue to see residential developments across risk is we will continue to see residential developments across New residential developments across New Zealand residential developments across New Zealand stall residential developments across New Zealand stall because residential developments across New Zealand stall because developers Zealand stall because developers cannot Zealand stall because developers cannot get Zealand stall because developers cannot get finance Zealand stall because developers cannot get finance on Zealand stall because developers cannot get finance on acceptable cannot get finance on acceptable terms. cannot get finance on acceptable terms. These cannot get finance on acceptable terms. These homes cannot get finance on acceptable terms. These homes will cannot get finance on acceptable terms. These homes will not cannot get finance on acceptable terms. These homes will not be cannot get finance on acceptable terms. These homes will not be built terms. These homes will not be built - terms. These homes will not be built - they terms. These homes will not be built - they will terms. These homes will not be built - they will take terms. These homes will not be built - they will take longer terms. These homes will not be built - they will take longer or terms. These homes will not be built - they will take longer or they terms. These homes will not be built - they will take longer or they will - they will take longer or they will be - they will take longer or they will be too - they will take longer or they will be too expensive - they will take longer or they will be too expensive for - they will take longer or they will be too expensive for the - they will take longer or they will be too expensive for the families be too expensive for the families who be too expensive for the families who need be too expensive for the families who need them, be too expensive for the families who need them, and be too expensive for the families who need them, and this be too expensive for the families who need them, and this will be too expensive for the families who need them, and this will mean who need them, and this will mean that who need them, and this will mean that we who need them, and this will mean that we will who need them, and this will mean that we will not who need them, and this will mean that we will not be who need them, and this will mean that we will not be able who need them, and this will mean that we will not be able to who need them, and this will mean that we will not be able to increase that we will not be able to increase supply that we will not be able to increase supply of that we will not be able to increase supply of modern that we will not be able to increase supply of modern starter that we will not be able to increase supply of modern starter homes that we will not be able to increase supply of modern starter homes for supply of modern starter homes for young supply of modern starter homes for young families. supply of modern starter homes for young families. This supply of modern starter homes for young families. This Government supply of modern starter homes for young families. This Government is young families. This Government is committed young families. This Government is committed to young families. This Government is committed to building young families. This Government is committed to building affordable committed to building affordable homes committed to building affordable homes for committed to building affordable homes for young committed to building affordable homes for young Kiwi committed to building affordable homes for young Kiwi families. homes for young Kiwi families. Question homes for young Kiwi families. Question No.5. Question Question No.5. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Will My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Will the Social Development: Will the Families Social Development: Will the Families Package Social Development: Will the Families Package address Social Development: Will the Families Package address concerns Families Package address concerns raised Families Package address concerns raised in Families Package address concerns raised in the Families Package address concerns raised in the recent Families Package address concerns raised in the recent nationwide raised in the recent nationwide survey raised in the recent nationwide survey commissioned raised in the recent nationwide survey commissioned by raised in the recent nationwide survey commissioned by the raised in the recent nationwide survey commissioned by the Salvation survey commissioned by the Salvation Army; survey commissioned by the Salvation Army; if survey commissioned by the Salvation Army; if so, survey commissioned by the Salvation Army; if so, how? The The findings The findings from The findings from the The findings from the recent The findings from the recent nationwide The findings from the recent nationwide Salvation The findings from the recent nationwide Salvation Army The findings from the recent nationwide Salvation Army survey nationwide Salvation Army survey reflect nationwide Salvation Army survey reflect what nationwide Salvation Army survey reflect what this nationwide Salvation Army survey reflect what this Government nationwide Salvation Army survey reflect what this Government have reflect what this Government have been reflect what this Government have been saying, reflect what this Government have been saying, that reflect what this Government have been saying, that too reflect what this Government have been saying, that too many reflect what this Government have been saying, that too many children been saying, that too many children and been saying, that too many children and families been saying, that too many children and families have been saying, that too many children and families have been been saying, that too many children and families have been doing been saying, that too many children and families have been doing it and families have been doing it tough. and families have been doing it tough. That's and families have been doing it tough. That's why and families have been doing it tough. That's why we and families have been doing it tough. That's why we put and families have been doing it tough. That's why we put $5.5 tough. That's why we put $5.5 billion tough. That's why we put $5.5 billion into tough. That's why we put $5.5 billion into our tough. That's why we put $5.5 billion into our Families tough. That's why we put $5.5 billion into our Families Package tough. That's why we put $5.5 billion into our Families Package to billion into our Families Package to provide billion into our Families Package to provide extra billion into our Families Package to provide extra support billion into our Families Package to provide extra support for billion into our Families Package to provide extra support for low- billion into our Families Package to provide extra support for low- and provide extra support for low- and middle-income provide extra support for low- and middle-income families. provide extra support for low- and middle-income families. The provide extra support for low- and middle-income families. The Families middle-income families. The Families Package middle-income families. The Families Package has middle-income families. The Families Package has given middle-income families. The Families Package has given 1 middle-income families. The Families Package has given 1 million middle-income families. The Families Package has given 1 million people Package has given 1 million people access Package has given 1 million people access to Package has given 1 million people access to the Package has given 1 million people access to the Winter Package has given 1 million people access to the Winter Energy Package has given 1 million people access to the Winter Energy Payment, access to the Winter Energy Payment, 26,000 access to the Winter Energy Payment, 26,000 more access to the Winter Energy Payment, 26,000 more people access to the Winter Energy Payment, 26,000 more people will access to the Winter Energy Payment, 26,000 more people will be access to the Winter Energy Payment, 26,000 more people will be eligible 26,000 more people will be eligible for 26,000 more people will be eligible for Working 26,000 more people will be eligible for Working for 26,000 more people will be eligible for Working for Families, 26,000 more people will be eligible for Working for Families, 65,000 for Working for Families, 65,000 children for Working for Families, 65,000 children will for Working for Families, 65,000 children will benefit for Working for Families, 65,000 children will benefit from for Working for Families, 65,000 children will benefit from the for Working for Families, 65,000 children will benefit from the Best children will benefit from the Best Start children will benefit from the Best Start payment children will benefit from the Best Start payment each children will benefit from the Best Start payment each year children will benefit from the Best Start payment each year and children will benefit from the Best Start payment each year and 136,000 Start payment each year and 136,000 people Start payment each year and 136,000 people have Start payment each year and 136,000 people have an Start payment each year and 136,000 people have an increase Start payment each year and 136,000 people have an increase in Start payment each year and 136,000 people have an increase in their people have an increase in their accommodation people have an increase in their accommodation supplement. people have an increase in their accommodation supplement. These accommodation supplement. These changes accommodation supplement. These changes will accommodation supplement. These changes will improve accommodation supplement. These changes will improve incomes accommodation supplement. These changes will improve incomes for changes will improve incomes for 384,000 changes will improve incomes for 384,000 families changes will improve incomes for 384,000 families by changes will improve incomes for 384,000 families by an changes will improve incomes for 384,000 families by an average changes will improve incomes for 384,000 families by an average of 384,000 families by an average of $75 384,000 families by an average of $75 per 384,000 families by an average of $75 per week 384,000 families by an average of $75 per week and 384,000 families by an average of $75 per week and will 384,000 families by an average of $75 per week and will lift 384,000 families by an average of $75 per week and will lift 64,000 $75 per week and will lift 64,000 children $75 per week and will lift 64,000 children out $75 per week and will lift 64,000 children out of $75 per week and will lift 64,000 children out of poverty $75 per week and will lift 64,000 children out of poverty by $75 per week and will lift 64,000 children out of poverty by 2021. children out of poverty by 2021. <APPLAUSE> <APPLAUSE> <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> What <INTERRUPTION> What does <INTERRUPTION> What does the <INTERRUPTION> What does the Salvation <INTERRUPTION> What does the Salvation Army <INTERRUPTION> What does the Salvation Army survey What does the Salvation Army survey show What does the Salvation Army survey show about What does the Salvation Army survey show about the What does the Salvation Army survey show about the impact What does the Salvation Army survey show about the impact of What does the Salvation Army survey show about the impact of winter show about the impact of winter heating show about the impact of winter heating costs show about the impact of winter heating costs on show about the impact of winter heating costs on families? show about the impact of winter heating costs on families? The heating costs on families? The Salvation heating costs on families? The Salvation Army heating costs on families? The Salvation Army survey heating costs on families? The Salvation Army survey was heating costs on families? 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This payment provides Energy Payment is so important. This payment provides financial Energy Payment is so important. This payment provides financial support payment provides financial support for payment provides financial support for all payment provides financial support for all beneficiaries payment provides financial support for all beneficiaries and for all beneficiaries and superannuitant for all beneficiaries and superannuitant households, for all beneficiaries and superannuitant households, effective superannuitant households, effective as superannuitant households, effective as of superannuitant households, effective as of 1 superannuitant households, effective as of 1 July superannuitant households, effective as of 1 July this superannuitant households, effective as of 1 July this year. superannuitant households, effective as of 1 July this year. The superannuitant households, effective as of 1 July this year. The survey as of 1 July this year. 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I am proud that this Government has made life easier have to worry." I am proud that this Government has made life easier for Government has made life easier for those Government has made life easier for those families Government has made life easier for those families so Government has made life easier for those families so they Government has made life easier for those families so they can Government has made life easier for those families so they can stay Government has made life easier for those families so they can stay warm those families so they can stay warm and those families so they can stay warm and healthy those families so they can stay warm and healthy over those families so they can stay warm and healthy over winter. those families so they can stay warm and healthy over winter. <APPLAUSE> and healthy over winter. <APPLAUSE> Question and healthy over winter. <APPLAUSE> Question number6. and and healthy and healthy over and healthy over winter. and healthy over winter. <APPLAUSE> and healthy over winter. <APPLAUSE> Question and healthy over winter. <APPLAUSE> Question number6. 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Mr Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, three-quarters Mr Speaker, three-quarters of Mr Speaker, three-quarters of all Mr Speaker, three-quarters of all lifetime Mr Speaker, three-quarters of all lifetime cases Mr Speaker, three-quarters of all lifetime cases of Mr Speaker, three-quarters of all lifetime cases of mental Mr Speaker, three-quarters of all lifetime cases of mental illness lifetime cases of mental illness start lifetime cases of mental illness start by lifetime cases of mental illness start by age lifetime cases of mental illness start by age 25. lifetime cases of mental illness start by age 25. We lifetime cases of mental illness start by age 25. We need lifetime cases of mental illness start by age 25. We need to lifetime cases of mental illness start by age 25. We need to do lifetime cases of mental illness start by age 25. We need to do more start by age 25. We need to do more to start by age 25. We need to do more to support start by age 25. We need to do more to support young start by age 25. We need to do more to support young people start by age 25. We need to do more to support young people with to support young people with mild-to-moderate to support young people with mild-to-moderate mental to support young people with mild-to-moderate mental health mild-to-moderate mental health needs. mild-to-moderate mental health needs. That's mild-to-moderate mental health needs. That's why, mild-to-moderate mental health needs. That's why, on mild-to-moderate mental health needs. That's why, on Monday, needs. That's why, on Monday, tenders needs. That's why, on Monday, tenders open needs. That's why, on Monday, tenders open Ford needs. That's why, on Monday, tenders open Ford the needs. That's why, on Monday, tenders open Ford the integrated tenders open Ford the integrated therapies tenders open Ford the integrated therapies pilot tenders open Ford the integrated therapies pilot programme, tenders open Ford the integrated therapies pilot programme, which therapies pilot programme, which will therapies pilot programme, which will trial therapies pilot programme, which will trial free therapies pilot programme, which will trial free counselling therapies pilot programme, which will trial free counselling for will trial free counselling for 18-25-year-olds. will trial free counselling for 18-25-year-olds. This will trial free counselling for 18-25-year-olds. This excellent 18-25-year-olds. This excellent initiative 18-25-year-olds. This excellent initiative reflects 18-25-year-olds. This excellent initiative reflects the 18-25-year-olds. This excellent initiative reflects the confidence initiative reflects the confidence in initiative reflects the confidence in supply initiative reflects the confidence in supply agreement initiative reflects the confidence in supply agreement between initiative reflects the confidence in supply agreement between the in supply agreement between the Coalition in supply agreement between the Coalition government in supply agreement between the Coalition government and in supply agreement between the Coalition government and the in supply agreement between the Coalition government and the Green Coalition government and the Green Party. Coalition government and the Green Party. What's Coalition government and the Green Party. What's this Coalition government and the Green Party. What's this pilot Coalition government and the Green Party. What's this pilot programme Party. What's this pilot programme designed Party. What's this pilot programme designed to Party. What's this pilot programme designed to achieve? Party. What's this pilot programme designed to achieve? There Party. What's this pilot programme designed to achieve? There is designed to achieve? There is increasing designed to achieve? There is increasing international designed to achieve? There is increasing international evidence increasing international evidence that increasing international evidence that psychological increasing international evidence that psychological therapies increasing international evidence that psychological therapies can that psychological therapies can help that psychological therapies can help improve that psychological therapies can help improve the that psychological therapies can help improve the mental that psychological therapies can help improve the mental health that psychological therapies can help improve the mental health of help improve the mental health of young help improve the mental health of young people. help improve the mental health of young people. This help improve the mental health of young people. This pilot help improve the mental health of young people. This pilot programme young people. This pilot programme is young people. This pilot programme is adapted young people. This pilot programme is adapted from young people. This pilot programme is adapted from the young people. This pilot programme is adapted from the UK's young people. This pilot programme is adapted from the UK's improving is adapted from the UK's improving access is adapted from the UK's improving access to is adapted from the UK's improving access to psychological is adapted from the UK's improving access to psychological therapies access to psychological therapies programme, access to psychological therapies programme, which access to psychological therapies programme, which looks access to psychological therapies programme, which looks at access to psychological therapies programme, which looks at people's programme, which looks at people's needs programme, which looks at people's needs and programme, which looks at people's needs and responds programme, which looks at people's needs and responds accordingly. programme, which looks at people's needs and responds accordingly. The needs and responds accordingly. The pilot needs and responds accordingly. The pilot will needs and responds accordingly. The pilot will help needs and responds accordingly. The pilot will help us needs and responds accordingly. The pilot will help us find needs and responds accordingly. The pilot will help us find out needs and responds accordingly. The pilot will help us find out what pilot will help us find out what works pilot will help us find out what works in pilot will help us find out what works in the pilot will help us find out what works in the New pilot will help us find out what works in the New Zealand pilot will help us find out what works in the New Zealand context, works in the New Zealand context, including works in the New Zealand context, including what works in the New Zealand context, including what works works in the New Zealand context, including what works for works in the New Zealand context, including what works for you works in the New Zealand context, including what works for you can including what works for you can Maori including what works for you can Maori and including what works for you can Maori and Pacific including what works for you can Maori and Pacific people, including what works for you can Maori and Pacific people, rainbow Maori and Pacific people, rainbow young Maori and Pacific people, rainbow young people Maori and Pacific people, rainbow young people and Maori and Pacific people, rainbow young people and those Maori and Pacific people, rainbow young people and those with young people and those with disabilities. young people and those with disabilities. So young people and those with disabilities. So what young people and those with disabilities. So what other disabilities. So what other Government disabilities. So what other Government initiatives disabilities. So what other Government initiatives to disabilities. So what other Government initiatives to support Government initiatives to support young Government initiatives to support young people's Government initiatives to support young people's mental Government initiatives to support young people's mental health Government initiatives to support young people's mental health are young people's mental health are being young people's mental health are being rolled young people's mental health are being rolled out? young people's mental health are being rolled out? On young people's mental health are being rolled out? On Monday, young people's mental health are being rolled out? On Monday, a being rolled out? On Monday, a second being rolled out? 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It supports children the programme in Canterbury and Kaikoura. It supports children in Kaikoura. It supports children in school Kaikoura. It supports children in school years Kaikoura. It supports children in school years 1-8 Kaikoura. It supports children in school years 1-8 living Kaikoura. It supports children in school years 1-8 living with Kaikoura. It supports children in school years 1-8 living with the school years 1-8 living with the legacy school years 1-8 living with the legacy of school years 1-8 living with the legacy of earthquakes. school years 1-8 living with the legacy of earthquakes. It school years 1-8 living with the legacy of earthquakes. It helps school years 1-8 living with the legacy of earthquakes. It helps them legacy of earthquakes. It helps them to legacy of earthquakes. It helps them to be legacy of earthquakes. It helps them to be resilient legacy of earthquakes. It helps them to be resilient and legacy of earthquakes. 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There are now 21 workers, including are now 21 workers, including psychologists, are now 21 workers, including psychologists, social are now 21 workers, including psychologists, social workers are now 21 workers, including psychologists, social workers and psychologists, social workers and counsellors, psychologists, social workers and counsellors, working psychologists, social workers and counsellors, working across psychologists, social workers and counsellors, working across 38 counsellors, working across 38 schools counsellors, working across 38 schools in counsellors, working across 38 schools in the counsellors, working across 38 schools in the region, counsellors, working across 38 schools in the region, with counsellors, working across 38 schools in the region, with more counsellors, working across 38 schools in the region, with more to schools in the region, with more to come schools in the region, with more to come later schools in the region, with more to come later this schools in the region, with more to come later this year. schools in the region, with more to come later this year. More schools in the region, with more to come later this year. More good come later this year. More good news. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Education: My question is to the Minister of Education: Does My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by My question is to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by the Education: Does he stand by the decisions Education: Does he stand by the decisions he Education: Does he stand by the decisions he has Education: Does he stand by the decisions he has made Education: Does he stand by the decisions he has made on Education: Does he stand by the decisions he has made on the Education: Does he stand by the decisions he has made on the future decisions he has made on the future of decisions he has made on the future of partnership decisions he has made on the future of partnership schools decisions he has made on the future of partnership schools and decisions he has made on the future of partnership schools and will decisions he has made on the future of partnership schools and will he of partnership schools and will he guarantee of partnership schools and will he guarantee that of partnership schools and will he guarantee that the of partnership schools and will he guarantee that the schools of partnership schools and will he guarantee that the schools have of partnership schools and will he guarantee that the schools have had guarantee that the schools have had a guarantee that the schools have had a fair guarantee that the schools have had a fair and guarantee that the schools have had a fair and robust guarantee that the schools have had a fair and robust process guarantee that the schools have had a fair and robust process with guarantee that the schools have had a fair and robust process with good a fair and robust process with good communication? 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These two-bit suspicions are These two-bit suspicions are unworthy These two-bit suspicions are unworthy of These two-bit suspicions are unworthy of the These two-bit suspicions are unworthy of the House's These two-bit suspicions are unworthy of the House's time. unworthy of the House's time. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> They <INTERRUPTION> They are <INTERRUPTION> They are more <INTERRUPTION> They are more Akin <INTERRUPTION> They are more Akin to <INTERRUPTION> They are more Akin to the <INTERRUPTION> They are more Akin to the habits <INTERRUPTION> They are more Akin to the habits of They are more Akin to the habits of some They are more Akin to the habits of some bird. They are more Akin to the habits of some bird. The They are more Akin to the habits of some bird. The actual They are more Akin to the habits of some bird. The actual commercial some bird. The actual commercial terms some bird. The actual commercial terms of some bird. The actual commercial terms of that some bird. 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It is well within the rights of any member to point out rights of any member to point out the rights of any member to point out the petty rights of any member to point out the petty fogging, rights of any member to point out the petty fogging, time-wasting the petty fogging, time-wasting nature the petty fogging, time-wasting nature of the petty fogging, time-wasting nature of Opposition the petty fogging, time-wasting nature of Opposition questions the petty fogging, time-wasting nature of Opposition questions that nature of Opposition questions that do nature of Opposition questions that do not nature of Opposition questions that do not elucidate nature of Opposition questions that do not elucidate information, nature of Opposition questions that do not elucidate information, but do not elucidate information, but waste do not elucidate information, but waste the do not elucidate information, but waste the time do not elucidate information, but waste the time of do not elucidate information, but waste the time of the do not elucidate information, but waste the time of the House. waste the time of the House. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> No. <INTERRUPTION> No. I <INTERRUPTION> No. I am <INTERRUPTION> No. I am ready <INTERRUPTION> No. I am ready to <INTERRUPTION> No. I am ready to rule. <INTERRUPTION> No. I am ready to rule. 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Question tribe was most certainly within those discussions. Question No. tribe was most certainly within those discussions. Question No. 11. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister for My question is to the Minister for Social My question is to the Minister for Social Development: My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Does My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Does she My question is to the Minister for Social Development: Does she believe Social Development: Does she believe people Social Development: Does she believe people on Social Development: Does she believe people on benefits Social Development: Does she believe people on benefits should Social Development: Does she believe people on benefits should face people on benefits should face reasonable people on benefits should face reasonable consequences people on benefits should face reasonable consequences and reasonable consequences and sanctions reasonable consequences and sanctions if reasonable consequences and sanctions if they reasonable consequences and sanctions if they are reasonable consequences and sanctions if they are not reasonable consequences and sanctions if they are not available sanctions if they are not available for, sanctions if they are not available for, and sanctions if they are not available for, and do sanctions if they are not available for, and do not sanctions if they are not available for, and do not take sanctions if they are not available for, and do not take reasonable for, and do not take reasonable steps for, and do not take reasonable steps to for, and do not take reasonable steps to get, for, and do not take reasonable steps to get, a for, and do not take reasonable steps to get, a suitable for, and do not take reasonable steps to get, a suitable job, for, and do not take reasonable steps to get, a suitable job, do for, and do not take reasonable steps to get, a suitable job, do not steps to get, a suitable job, do not take steps to get, a suitable job, do not take any steps to get, a suitable job, do not take any offer steps to get, a suitable job, do not take any offer of steps to get, a suitable job, do not take any offer of suitable take any offer of suitable full-time, take any offer of suitable full-time, part-time, take any offer of suitable full-time, part-time, or take any offer of suitable full-time, part-time, or temporary full-time, part-time, or temporary work, full-time, part-time, or temporary work, or full-time, part-time, or temporary work, or work full-time, part-time, or temporary work, or work that full-time, part-time, or temporary work, or work that is full-time, part-time, or temporary work, or work that is seasonal full-time, part-time, or temporary work, or work that is seasonal or work, or work that is seasonal or subsidised, work, or work that is seasonal or subsidised, do work, or work that is seasonal or subsidised, do not work, or work that is seasonal or subsidised, do not attend work, or work that is seasonal or subsidised, do not attend and work, or work that is seasonal or subsidised, do not attend and take subsidised, do not attend and take part subsidised, do not attend and take part in subsidised, do not attend and take part in any subsidised, do not attend and take part in any suitable subsidised, do not attend and take part in any suitable job subsidised, do not attend and take part in any suitable job interviews part in any suitable job interviews they part in any suitable job interviews they are part in any suitable job interviews they are asked part in any suitable job interviews they are asked to, part in any suitable job interviews they are asked to, and part in any suitable job interviews they are asked to, and do part in any suitable job interviews they are asked to, and do not part in any suitable job interviews they are asked to, and do not take they are asked to, and do not take and they are asked to, and do not take and pass they are asked to, and do not take and pass any they are asked to, and do not take and pass any drug they are asked to, and do not take and pass any drug test they are asked to, and do not take and pass any drug test potential and pass any drug test potential employers and pass any drug test potential employers or and pass any drug test potential employers or training and pass any drug test potential employers or training providers employers or training providers require? I I do I do not I do not accept I do not accept the I do not accept the characterisation I do not accept the characterisation of I do not accept the characterisation of beneficiaries I do not accept the characterisation of beneficiaries inherent I do not accept the characterisation of beneficiaries inherent in I do not accept the characterisation of beneficiaries inherent in the of beneficiaries inherent in the question. of beneficiaries inherent in the question. At of beneficiaries inherent in the question. At the of beneficiaries inherent in the question. At the end of beneficiaries inherent in the question. At the end of of beneficiaries inherent in the question. At the end of June of beneficiaries inherent in the question. At the end of June 2018 question. At the end of June 2018 only question. At the end of June 2018 only 0.8% question. At the end of June 2018 only 0.8% of question. At the end of June 2018 only 0.8% of all question. At the end of June 2018 only 0.8% of all current question. At the end of June 2018 only 0.8% of all current work-tested only 0.8% of all current work-tested beneficiaries only 0.8% of all current work-tested beneficiaries had only 0.8% of all current work-tested beneficiaries had a only 0.8% of all current work-tested beneficiaries had a sanction only 0.8% of all current work-tested beneficiaries had a sanction in beneficiaries had a sanction in force. beneficiaries had a sanction in force. Between beneficiaries had a sanction in force. Between 2014/18 beneficiaries had a sanction in force. Between 2014/18 this force. Between 2014/18 this fluctuated force. Between 2014/18 this fluctuated between force. Between 2014/18 this fluctuated between 0.5% force. Between 2014/18 this fluctuated between 0.5% and force. Between 2014/18 this fluctuated between 0.5% and 1.3%. fluctuated between 0.5% and 1.3%. Contrary fluctuated between 0.5% and 1.3%. Contrary to fluctuated between 0.5% and 1.3%. Contrary to the fluctuated between 0.5% and 1.3%. Contrary to the narrative fluctuated between 0.5% and 1.3%. Contrary to the narrative that fluctuated between 0.5% and 1.3%. Contrary to the narrative that side Contrary to the narrative that side of Contrary to the narrative that side of the Contrary to the narrative that side of the House Contrary to the narrative that side of the House is Contrary to the narrative that side of the House is trying Contrary to the narrative that side of the House is trying to Contrary to the narrative that side of the House is trying to spin, Contrary to the narrative that side of the House is trying to spin, the of the House is trying to spin, the vast of the House is trying to spin, the vast majority of the House is trying to spin, the vast majority of of the House is trying to spin, the vast majority of people of the House is trying to spin, the vast majority of people with of the House is trying to spin, the vast majority of people with work vast majority of people with work obligations vast majority of people with work obligations fulfil vast majority of people with work obligations fulfil them. vast majority of people with work obligations fulfil them. I vast majority of people with work obligations fulfil them. I would obligations fulfil them. I would also obligations fulfil them. I would also like obligations fulfil them. I would also like to obligations fulfil them. I would also like to point obligations fulfil them. I would also like to point out obligations fulfil them. I would also like to point out that obligations fulfil them. I would also like to point out that there also like to point out that there are also like to point out that there are thousands also like to point out that there are thousands of also like to point out that there are thousands of working-age also like to point out that there are thousands of working-age New are thousands of working-age New Zealanders are thousands of working-age New Zealanders accessing are thousands of working-age New Zealanders accessing our are thousands of working-age New Zealanders accessing our welfare Zealanders accessing our welfare system Zealanders accessing our welfare system with Zealanders accessing our welfare system with ongoing Zealanders accessing our welfare system with ongoing high Zealanders accessing our welfare system with ongoing high and Zealanders accessing our welfare system with ongoing high and complex system with ongoing high and complex health system with ongoing high and complex health and system with ongoing high and complex health and disability system with ongoing high and complex health and disability needs. system with ongoing high and complex health and disability needs. We system with ongoing high and complex health and disability needs. We have health and disability needs. We have a health and disability needs. We have a responsibility health and disability needs. We have a responsibility to health and disability needs. We have a responsibility to these health and disability needs. We have a responsibility to these people health and disability needs. We have a responsibility to these people to a responsibility to these people to ensure a responsibility to these people to ensure they a responsibility to these people to ensure they can a responsibility to these people to ensure they can lead a responsibility to these people to ensure they can lead a a responsibility to these people to ensure they can lead a dignified ensure they can lead a dignified life, ensure they can lead a dignified life, and ensure they can lead a dignified life, and continue ensure they can lead a dignified life, and continue to ensure they can lead a dignified life, and continue to contribute ensure they can lead a dignified life, and continue to contribute to life, and continue to contribute to their life, and continue to contribute to their community. life, and continue to contribute to their community. I life, and continue to contribute to their community. I believe life, and continue to contribute to their community. I believe that their community. I believe that people their community. I believe that people should their community. I believe that people should be their community. I believe that people should be supported their community. I believe that people should be supported into people should be supported into meaningful people should be supported into meaningful work people should be supported into meaningful work and people should be supported into meaningful work and to people should be supported into meaningful work and to live people should be supported into meaningful work and to live in meaningful work and to live in inclusive meaningful work and to live in inclusive communities meaningful work and to live in inclusive communities where meaningful work and to live in inclusive communities where everyone inclusive communities where everyone has inclusive communities where everyone has the inclusive communities where everyone has the opportunity inclusive communities where everyone has the opportunity to inclusive communities where everyone has the opportunity to participate. has the opportunity to participate. Hear, has the opportunity to participate. Hear, hear! has the opportunity to participate. 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I think the last part of it certainly did. done on notice. I think the last part of it certainly did. Louise part of it certainly did. Louise Upston. part of it certainly did. Louise Upston. Supplementary part of it certainly did. Louise Upston. Supplementary question. part of it certainly did. Louise Upston. Supplementary question. Does Upston. Supplementary question. Does she Upston. Supplementary question. Does she believe Upston. Supplementary question. Does she believe that Upston. Supplementary question. Does she believe that people Upston. Supplementary question. Does she believe that people who Upston. Supplementary question. Does she believe that people who can Upston. Supplementary question. Does she believe that people who can work she believe that people who can work should she believe that people who can work should work? she believe that people who can work should work? I she believe that people who can work should work? I believe she believe that people who can work should work? I believe that she believe that people who can work should work? I believe that the she believe that people who can work should work? I believe that the vast should work? I believe that the vast majority should work? I believe that the vast majority of should work? I believe that the vast majority of people should work? I believe that the vast majority of people who should work? I believe that the vast majority of people who can should work? I believe that the vast majority of people who can work, majority of people who can work, want majority of people who can work, want to majority of people who can work, want to work, majority of people who can work, want to work, and majority of people who can work, want to work, and this majority of people who can work, want to work, and this Government majority of people who can work, want to work, and this Government is want to work, and this Government is committed want to work, and this Government is committed to want to work, and this Government is committed to supporting want to work, and this Government is committed to supporting them want to work, and this Government is committed to supporting them into committed to supporting them into meaningful committed to supporting them into meaningful employment. committed to supporting them into meaningful employment. That's committed to supporting them into meaningful employment. That's right! meaningful employment. That's right! What meaningful employment. That's right! What is meaningful employment. That's right! What is the meaningful employment. That's right! What is the process meaningful employment. That's right! What is the process for meaningful employment. That's right! What is the process for someone meaningful employment. That's right! 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Can the occurs before a sanction is applied? Point of order. Can the member Point of order. Can the member repeat Point of order. Can the member repeat the Point of order. Can the member repeat the question? Point of order. Can the member repeat the question? I'm Point of order. Can the member repeat the question? I'm not Point of order. Can the member repeat the question? I'm not sure Point of order. Can the member repeat the question? I'm not sure if repeat the question? I'm not sure if I repeat the question? I'm not sure if I heard repeat the question? I'm not sure if I heard it repeat the question? I'm not sure if I heard it properly repeat the question? I'm not sure if I heard it properly or repeat the question? I'm not sure if I heard it properly or understood... I heard it properly or understood... I'm I heard it properly or understood... I'm with I heard it properly or understood... I'm with the I heard it properly or understood... I'm with the member. I heard it properly or understood... I'm with the member. Could I heard it properly or understood... I'm with the member. Could the I'm with the member. Could the member I'm with the member. Could the member repeat I'm with the member. Could the member repeat it? I'm with the member. Could the member repeat it? What I'm with the member. Could the member repeat it? What is I'm with the member. Could the member repeat it? What is the member repeat it? What is the process member repeat it? What is the process for member repeat it? What is the process for someone member repeat it? What is the process for someone on member repeat it? What is the process for someone on a member repeat it? What is the process for someone on a Jobseeker process for someone on a Jobseeker benefit process for someone on a Jobseeker benefit that process for someone on a Jobseeker benefit that occurs process for someone on a Jobseeker benefit that occurs or process for someone on a Jobseeker benefit that occurs or takes process for someone on a Jobseeker benefit that occurs or takes place benefit that occurs or takes place before benefit that occurs or takes place before a benefit that occurs or takes place before a sanction benefit that occurs or takes place before a sanction is benefit that occurs or takes place before a sanction is applied? before a sanction is applied? <INTERRUPTION> before a sanction is applied? <INTERRUPTION> What before a sanction is applied? <INTERRUPTION> What is... before a sanction is applied? <INTERRUPTION> What is... I before a sanction is applied? <INTERRUPTION> What is... I will <INTERRUPTION> What is... I will talk <INTERRUPTION> What is... 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The process for a person who is on a Jobseekers' benefit, who is on a Jobseekers' benefit, obviously who is on a Jobseekers' benefit, obviously seeking who is on a Jobseekers' benefit, obviously seeking support, who is on a Jobseekers' benefit, obviously seeking support, is who is on a Jobseekers' benefit, obviously seeking support, is that obviously seeking support, is that MSD obviously seeking support, is that MSD is obviously seeking support, is that MSD is tasked obviously seeking support, is that MSD is tasked with obviously seeking support, is that MSD is tasked with giving obviously seeking support, is that MSD is tasked with giving them obviously seeking support, is that MSD is tasked with giving them the MSD is tasked with giving them the most MSD is tasked with giving them the most effective MSD is tasked with giving them the most effective support MSD is tasked with giving them the most effective support that MSD is tasked with giving them the most effective support that they MSD is tasked with giving them the most effective support that they can most effective support that they can to most effective support that they can to support most effective support that they can to support them most effective support that they can to support them into most effective support that they can to support them into what most effective support that they can to support them into what is to support them into what is meaningful to support them into what is meaningful employment to support them into what is meaningful employment for to support them into what is meaningful employment for them to support them into what is meaningful employment for them and meaningful employment for them and that meaningful employment for them and that is meaningful employment for them and that is what meaningful employment for them and that is what we're meaningful employment for them and that is what we're committed meaningful employment for them and that is what we're committed to that is what we're committed to doing. that is what we're committed to doing. 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Can I ask the Minister - if the admonishments in the question if the admonishments in the question are if the admonishments in the question are in if the admonishments in the question are in any if the admonishments in the question are in any way if the admonishments in the question are in any way a if the admonishments in the question are in any way a fact if the admonishments in the question are in any way a fact how if the admonishments in the question are in any way a fact how can if the admonishments in the question are in any way a fact how can she are in any way a fact how can she explain are in any way a fact how can she explain how are in any way a fact how can she explain how the are in any way a fact how can she explain how the people are in any way a fact how can she explain how the people who are in any way a fact how can she explain how the people who are are in any way a fact how can she explain how the people who are on explain how the people who are on the explain how the people who are on the benefits explain how the people who are on the benefits went explain how the people who are on the benefits went from explain how the people who are on the benefits went from 286,208 explain how the people who are on the benefits went from 286,208 at the benefits went from 286,208 at the the benefits went from 286,208 at the height the benefits went from 286,208 at the height of the benefits went from 286,208 at the height of the the benefits went from 286,208 at the height of the global the benefits went from 286,208 at the height of the global financial the height of the global financial crisis the height of the global financial crisis up the height of the global financial crisis up to the height of the global financial crisis up to 289,000 the height of the global financial crisis up to 289,000 in the height of the global financial crisis up to 289,000 in 2017? the height of the global financial crisis up to 289,000 in 2017? I crisis up to 289,000 in 2017? I think crisis up to 289,000 in 2017? I think that's crisis up to 289,000 in 2017? I think that's a crisis up to 289,000 in 2017? I think that's a very crisis up to 289,000 in 2017? I think that's a very good crisis up to 289,000 in 2017? I think that's a very good question. think that's a very good question. The think that's a very good question. The assertion think that's a very good question. The assertion from think that's a very good question. The assertion from the think that's a very good question. The assertion from the other think that's a very good question. The assertion from the other side think that's a very good question. The assertion from the other side of The assertion from the other side of the The assertion from the other side of the House The assertion from the other side of the House has The assertion from the other side of the House has been The assertion from the other side of the House has been that The assertion from the other side of the House has been that they The assertion from the other side of the House has been that they were the House has been that they were more the House has been that they were more successful the House has been that they were more successful at the House has been that they were more successful at getting the House has been that they were more successful at getting New more successful at getting New Zealanders more successful at getting New Zealanders into more successful at getting New Zealanders into employment. more successful at getting New Zealanders into employment. National Zealanders into employment. National did Zealanders into employment. National did not Zealanders into employment. National did not get Zealanders into employment. National did not get 70,000 Zealanders into employment. National did not get 70,000 people Zealanders into employment. National did not get 70,000 people off did not get 70,000 people off benefit did not get 70,000 people off benefit there. did not get 70,000 people off benefit there. Were did not get 70,000 people off benefit there. Were more did not get 70,000 people off benefit there. Were more people did not get 70,000 people off benefit there. Were more people on benefit there. Were more people on benefit benefit there. Were more people on benefit at benefit there. Were more people on benefit at the benefit there. Were more people on benefit at the end benefit there. Were more people on benefit at the end of benefit there. Were more people on benefit at the end of last benefit there. Were more people on benefit at the end of last year benefit there. Were more people on benefit at the end of last year - benefit at the end of last year - 289,000 benefit at the end of last year - 289,000 - benefit at the end of last year - 289,000 - than benefit at the end of last year - 289,000 - than when benefit at the end of last year - 289,000 - than when National benefit at the end of last year - 289,000 - than when National came 289,000 - than when National came into 289,000 - than when National came into power 289,000 - than when National came into power in 289,000 - than when National came into power in 2008, 289,000 - than when National came into power in 2008, which 289,000 - than when National came into power in 2008, which was into power in 2008, which was 286,000. into power in 2008, which was 286,000. We into power in 2008, which was 286,000. We are into power in 2008, which was 286,000. We are now into power in 2008, which was 286,000. We are now under into power in 2008, which was 286,000. We are now under this 286,000. We are now under this Government 286,000. We are now under this Government experiencing 286,000. We are now under this Government experiencing the 286,000. We are now under this Government experiencing the lowest Government experiencing the lowest unemployment Government experiencing the lowest unemployment rate Government experiencing the lowest unemployment rate that Government experiencing the lowest unemployment rate that we've Government experiencing the lowest unemployment rate that we've for Government experiencing the lowest unemployment rate that we've for a unemployment rate that we've for a long unemployment rate that we've for a long period unemployment rate that we've for a long period of unemployment rate that we've for a long period of time unemployment rate that we've for a long period of time at unemployment rate that we've for a long period of time at 4. unemployment rate that we've for a long period of time at 4. 4% long period of time at 4. 4% unemployment. unemployment. <APPLAUSE> <APPLAUSE> Why <APPLAUSE> Why has <APPLAUSE> Why has there <APPLAUSE> Why has there been <APPLAUSE> Why has there been a <APPLAUSE> Why has there been a 21% <APPLAUSE> Why has there been a 21% drop <APPLAUSE> Why has there been a 21% drop in Why has there been a 21% drop in sanctions? Why has there been a 21% drop in sanctions? As Why has there been a 21% drop in sanctions? As I Why has there been a 21% drop in sanctions? As I explained Why has there been a 21% drop in sanctions? As I explained yesterday, sanctions? As I explained yesterday, the sanctions? As I explained yesterday, the Leader sanctions? As I explained yesterday, the Leader of sanctions? As I explained yesterday, the Leader of the sanctions? As I explained yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition sanctions? As I explained yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition and sanctions? As I explained yesterday, the Leader of the Opposition and the the Leader of the Opposition and the Opposition the Leader of the Opposition and the Opposition in the Leader of the Opposition and the Opposition in general the Leader of the Opposition and the Opposition in general is the Leader of the Opposition and the Opposition in general is a the Leader of the Opposition and the Opposition in general is a little Opposition in general is a little bit Opposition in general is a little bit confused. Opposition in general is a little bit confused. What Opposition in general is a little bit confused. What has Opposition in general is a little bit confused. What has occurred Opposition in general is a little bit confused. What has occurred is bit confused. What has occurred is that bit confused. What has occurred is that I bit confused. What has occurred is that I was bit confused. What has occurred is that I was concerned bit confused. What has occurred is that I was concerned that bit confused. What has occurred is that I was concerned that mistakes that I was concerned that mistakes were that I was concerned that mistakes were being that I was concerned that mistakes were being made that I was concerned that mistakes were being made when that I was concerned that mistakes were being made when benefit were being made when benefit suspensions were being made when benefit suspensions and were being made when benefit suspensions and cancellations were being made when benefit suspensions and cancellations were suspensions and cancellations were being suspensions and cancellations were being put suspensions and cancellations were being put in suspensions and cancellations were being put in place, suspensions and cancellations were being put in place, and suspensions and cancellations were being put in place, and so suspensions and cancellations were being put in place, and so I being put in place, and so I couldn't being put in place, and so I couldn't place being put in place, and so I couldn't place a being put in place, and so I couldn't place a process being put in place, and so I couldn't place a process as being put in place, and so I couldn't place a process as of being put in place, and so I couldn't place a process as of the couldn't place a process as of the beginning couldn't place a process as of the beginning of couldn't place a process as of the beginning of May couldn't place a process as of the beginning of May whereby couldn't place a process as of the beginning of May whereby a couldn't place a process as of the beginning of May whereby a senior beginning of May whereby a senior person beginning of May whereby a senior person in beginning of May whereby a senior person in the beginning of May whereby a senior person in the office beginning of May whereby a senior person in the office had beginning of May whereby a senior person in the office had to beginning of May whereby a senior person in the office had to sign beginning of May whereby a senior person in the office had to sign off person in the office had to sign off on person in the office had to sign off on any person in the office had to sign off on any suspensions person in the office had to sign off on any suspensions or person in the office had to sign off on any suspensions or cancellations. on any suspensions or cancellations. The on any suspensions or cancellations. The policy on any suspensions or cancellations. The policy didn't on any suspensions or cancellations. The policy didn't change on any suspensions or cancellations. The policy didn't change in on any suspensions or cancellations. The policy didn't change in terms on any suspensions or cancellations. 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We want to support them with meeting their aspirations, them with meeting their aspirations, and them with meeting their aspirations, and I them with meeting their aspirations, and I have them with meeting their aspirations, and I have to them with meeting their aspirations, and I have to say them with meeting their aspirations, and I have to say that them with meeting their aspirations, and I have to say that the them with meeting their aspirations, and I have to say that the recent and I have to say that the recent action and I have to say that the recent action from and I have to say that the recent action from the and I have to say that the recent action from the Opposition and I have to say that the recent action from the Opposition has and I have to say that the recent action from the Opposition has been action from the Opposition has been highly action from the Opposition has been highly predictable. action from the Opposition has been highly predictable. When action from the Opposition has been highly predictable. When the action from the Opposition has been highly predictable. When the polls highly predictable. When the polls are highly predictable. When the polls are down, highly predictable. When the polls are down, attack highly predictable. When the polls are down, attack the highly predictable. When the polls are down, attack the beneficiary. are down, attack the beneficiary. <APPLAUSE> <APPLAUSE> <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Question <INTERRUPTION> Question No. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 12. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 12. Order! <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 12. Order! Thank <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 12. Order! Thank you. Thank Thank you. Thank you. My Thank you. My question Thank you. My question is Thank you. My question is to Thank you. My question is to the Thank you. My question is to the Minister Thank you. My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Conservation: My question is to the Minister of Conservation: What My question is to the Minister of Conservation: What progress My question is to the Minister of Conservation: What progress on Conservation: What progress on policies Conservation: What progress on policies or Conservation: What progress on policies or principles Conservation: What progress on policies or principles has Conservation: What progress on policies or principles has she Conservation: What progress on policies or principles has she made policies or principles has she made in policies or principles has she made in relation policies or principles has she made in relation to policies or principles has she made in relation to the policies or principles has she made in relation to the implementation policies or principles has she made in relation to the implementation of in relation to the implementation of no in relation to the implementation of no new in relation to the implementation of no new mines in relation to the implementation of no new mines on in relation to the implementation of no new mines on conservation in relation to the implementation of no new mines on conservation land in relation to the implementation of no new mines on conservation land as no new mines on conservation land as detailed no new mines on conservation land as detailed in no new mines on conservation land as detailed in the no new mines on conservation land as detailed in the Speech no new mines on conservation land as detailed in the Speech from no new mines on conservation land as detailed in the Speech from the detailed in the Speech from the Throne? Thank Thank you. Thank you. I Thank you. I am Thank you. I am making Thank you. I am making good Thank you. I am making good progress Thank you. I am making good progress on Thank you. I am making good progress on how Thank you. I am making good progress on how to Thank you. I am making good progress on how to implement Thank you. I am making good progress on how to implement the Thank you. I am making good progress on how to implement the policy. Thank you. I am making good progress on how to implement the policy. We on how to implement the policy. We will on how to implement the policy. We will consult on how to implement the policy. We will consult our on how to implement the policy. We will consult our treaty on how to implement the policy. We will consult our treaty partners, will consult our treaty partners, local will consult our treaty partners, local government, will consult our treaty partners, local government, the will consult our treaty partners, local government, the minerals local government, the minerals industry, local government, the minerals industry, environmental local government, the minerals industry, environmental and industry, environmental and community industry, environmental and community groups, industry, environmental and community groups, and industry, environmental and community groups, and the industry, environmental and community groups, and the wider community groups, and the wider public community groups, and the wider public through community groups, and the wider public through a community groups, and the wider public through a discussion community groups, and the wider public through a discussion document public through a discussion document to public through a discussion document to be public through a discussion document to be released public through a discussion document to be released within public through a discussion document to be released within the public through a discussion document to be released within the next public through a discussion document to be released within the next three to be released within the next three months. to be released within the next three months. That to be released within the next three months. That consultation to be released within the next three months. That consultation document months. That consultation document will months. That consultation document will be months. That consultation document will be a months. That consultation document will be a chance months. That consultation document will be a chance for months. That consultation document will be a chance for the months. That consultation document will be a chance for the public months. That consultation document will be a chance for the public to will be a chance for the public to contribute will be a chance for the public to contribute their will be a chance for the public to contribute their views will be a chance for the public to contribute their views on will be a chance for the public to contribute their views on the will be a chance for the public to contribute their views on the issues contribute their views on the issues the contribute their views on the issues the Government contribute their views on the issues the Government should contribute their views on the issues the Government should consider contribute their views on the issues the Government should consider in the Government should consider in implementing the Government should consider in implementing the the Government should consider in implementing the policy. the Government should consider in implementing the policy. The the Government should consider in implementing the policy. The best implementing the policy. The best tools implementing the policy. The best tools to implementing the policy. The best tools to use implementing the policy. The best tools to use and implementing the policy. The best tools to use and any implementing the policy. The best tools to use and any transitional tools to use and any transitional measures. tools to use and any transitional measures. Does tools to use and any transitional measures. Does she tools to use and any transitional measures. Does she agree tools to use and any transitional measures. Does she agree with measures. Does she agree with regional measures. Does she agree with regional Economic measures. Does she agree with regional Economic Development regional Economic Development Minister regional Economic Development Minister Shane regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones that regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones that for regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones that for areas Minister Shane Jones that for areas like Minister Shane Jones that for areas like the Minister Shane Jones that for areas like the West Minister Shane Jones that for areas like the West Coast Minister Shane Jones that for areas like the West Coast the Minister Shane Jones that for areas like the West Coast the extractive like the West Coast the extractive industry like the West Coast the extractive industry must like the West Coast the extractive industry must have like the West Coast the extractive industry must have a like the West Coast the extractive industry must have a future, like the West Coast the extractive industry must have a future, and industry must have a future, and that industry must have a future, and that mining industry must have a future, and that mining would industry must have a future, and that mining would be industry must have a future, and that mining would be made industry must have a future, and that mining would be made possible that mining would be made possible on that mining would be made possible on stewardship that mining would be made possible on stewardship land that mining would be made possible on stewardship land by that mining would be made possible on stewardship land by reclassifying on stewardship land by reclassifying it? on stewardship land by reclassifying it? 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Mining is important on the West Coast, but so are the other West Coast, but so are the other sectors, West Coast, but so are the other sectors, like West Coast, but so are the other sectors, like agriculture, West Coast, but so are the other sectors, like agriculture, dairy sectors, like agriculture, dairy farming, sectors, like agriculture, dairy farming, forestry, sectors, like agriculture, dairy farming, forestry, fishing sectors, like agriculture, dairy farming, forestry, fishing and farming, forestry, fishing and tourism. farming, forestry, fishing and tourism. We farming, forestry, fishing and tourism. We need farming, forestry, fishing and tourism. We need a farming, forestry, fishing and tourism. We need a diverse farming, forestry, fishing and tourism. We need a diverse economic tourism. We need a diverse economic base. tourism. 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The whole number of have throughout the regions. The whole number of mines have throughout the regions. The whole number of mines the have throughout the regions. The whole number of mines the member whole number of mines the member should whole number of mines the member should be whole number of mines the member should be aware whole number of mines the member should be aware that whole number of mines the member should be aware that the whole number of mines the member should be aware that the two whole number of mines the member should be aware that the two largest should be aware that the two largest gold should be aware that the two largest gold mines should be aware that the two largest gold mines in should be aware that the two largest gold mines in New should be aware that the two largest gold mines in New Zealand should be aware that the two largest gold mines in New Zealand are should be aware that the two largest gold mines in New Zealand are not should be aware that the two largest gold mines in New Zealand are not on gold mines in New Zealand are not on public gold mines in New Zealand are not on public conservation gold mines in New Zealand are not on public conservation land. gold mines in New Zealand are not on public conservation land. There gold mines in New Zealand are not on public conservation land. There are public conservation land. There are 112 public conservation land. There are 112 mining, public conservation land. There are 112 mining, access public conservation land. There are 112 mining, access arrangements public conservation land. There are 112 mining, access arrangements on 112 mining, access arrangements on the 112 mining, access arrangements on the West 112 mining, access arrangements on the West Coast. 112 mining, access arrangements on the West Coast. Only 112 mining, access arrangements on the West Coast. Only 54 112 mining, access arrangements on the West Coast. Only 54 of 112 mining, access arrangements on the West Coast. Only 54 of those 112 mining, access arrangements on the West Coast. Only 54 of those are the West Coast. Only 54 of those are active. the West Coast. Only 54 of those are active. <INTERRUPTION> active. <INTERRUPTION> Order! active. <INTERRUPTION> Order! 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Does she agree with the honourable Does she agree with the honourable member Does she agree with the honourable member Damien Does she agree with the honourable member Damien O'Connor Does she agree with the honourable member Damien O'Connor that, Does she agree with the honourable member Damien O'Connor that, "We member Damien O'Connor that, "We need member Damien O'Connor that, "We need to member Damien O'Connor that, "We need to continue member Damien O'Connor that, "We need to continue with member Damien O'Connor that, "We need to continue with mining member Damien O'Connor that, "We need to continue with mining in need to continue with mining in order need to continue with mining in order to need to continue with mining in order to construct need to continue with mining in order to construct key order to construct key infrastructure order to construct key infrastructure around order to construct key infrastructure around the order to construct key infrastructure around the country?" infrastructure around the country?" Yes. infrastructure around the country?" Yes. And infrastructure around the country?" Yes. And mining infrastructure around the country?" Yes. And mining will infrastructure around the country?" Yes. And mining will continue Yes. And mining will continue because Yes. And mining will continue because the Yes. And mining will continue because the two Yes. And mining will continue because the two largest Yes. And mining will continue because the two largest gold Yes. And mining will continue because the two largest gold mines because the two largest gold mines in because the two largest gold mines in New because the two largest gold mines in New Zealand because the two largest gold mines in New Zealand are because the two largest gold mines in New Zealand are not because the two largest gold mines in New Zealand are not on in New Zealand are not on conservation in New Zealand are not on conservation land. in New Zealand are not on conservation land. 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