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Almighty Almighty God, Almighty God, we Almighty God, we give Almighty God, we give thanks Almighty God, we give thanks for Almighty God, we give thanks for the Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings we give thanks for the blessings which we give thanks for the blessings which have we give thanks for the blessings which have been we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. which have been bestowed on us. Laying which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, Laying aside all personal interests, we Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen we acknowledge the Queen and we acknowledge the Queen and pray we acknowledge the Queen and pray for we acknowledge the Queen and pray for guidance and pray for guidance in and pray for guidance in our and pray for guidance in our deliberations, in our deliberations, that in our deliberations, that we in our deliberations, that we may in our deliberations, that we may conduct that we may conduct the that we may conduct the affairs that we may conduct the affairs of that we may conduct the affairs of this that we may conduct the affairs of this House the affairs of this House with the affairs of this House with wisdom, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, with wisdom, justice, mercy, and with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility and humility for and humility for the and humility for the welfare and humility for the welfare and and humility for the welfare and peace for the welfare and peace of for the welfare and peace of New for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen. The The Hon The Hon Chris The Hon Chris Hipkins. The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next week The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next week the The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next week the legislation The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next week the legislation to The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next week the legislation to be The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next week the legislation to be considered The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next week the legislation to be considered by The Hon Chris Hipkins. Next week the legislation to be considered by the legislation to be considered by the House legislation to be considered by the House will legislation to be considered by the House will include legislation to be considered by the House will include the legislation to be considered by the House will include the Overseas House will include the Overseas Investment House will include the Overseas Investment Amendment House will include the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill, House will include the Overseas Investment Amendment Bill, the Investment Amendment Bill, the Electoral Investment Amendment Bill, the Electoral (Integrity) Investment Amendment Bill, the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill, Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill, the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill, the Tariff Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill, the Tariff (PACER Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill, the Tariff (PACER Plus) Bill, the Tariff (PACER Plus) Amendment Bill, the Tariff (PACER Plus) Amendment Bill, Bill, the Tariff (PACER Plus) Amendment Bill, the Bill, the Tariff (PACER Plus) Amendment Bill, the first Bill, the Tariff (PACER Plus) Amendment Bill, the first reads Bill, the Tariff (PACER Plus) Amendment Bill, the first reads of Amendment Bill, the first reads of three Amendment Bill, the first reads of three cognated Amendment Bill, the first reads of three cognated regulatory Amendment Bill, the first reads of three cognated regulatory systems three cognated regulatory systems amendment three cognated regulatory systems amendment bills, three cognated regulatory systems amendment bills, the three cognated regulatory systems amendment bills, the remaining amendment bills, the remaining stages amendment bills, the remaining stages of amendment bills, the remaining stages of the amendment bills, the remaining stages of the statute amendment bills, the remaining stages of the statute amendment amendment bills, the remaining stages of the statute amendment bill stages of the statute amendment bill No.2. stages of the statute amendment bill No.2. On stages of the statute amendment bill No.2. On the stages of the statute amendment bill No.2. On the morning stages of the statute amendment bill No.2. On the morning of stages of the statute amendment bill No.2. On the morning of Thursday stages of the statute amendment bill No.2. On the morning of Thursday 8 No.2. On the morning of Thursday 8 August No.2. On the morning of Thursday 8 August there No.2. On the morning of Thursday 8 August there will No.2. On the morning of Thursday 8 August there will be No.2. On the morning of Thursday 8 August there will be an No.2. On the morning of Thursday 8 August there will be an extended August there will be an extended sitting August there will be an extended sitting and August there will be an extended sitting and Wednesday August there will be an extended sitting and Wednesday 8 August there will be an extended sitting and Wednesday 8 August August there will be an extended sitting and Wednesday 8 August will sitting and Wednesday 8 August will be sitting and Wednesday 8 August will be a sitting and Wednesday 8 August will be a member's sitting and Wednesday 8 August will be a member's day. sitting and Wednesday 8 August will be a member's day. The sitting and Wednesday 8 August will be a member's day. The Hon sitting and Wednesday 8 August will be a member's day. The Hon Gerry be a member's day. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. be a member's day. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Is be a member's day. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Is the be a member's day. The Hon Gerry Brownlee. Is the extended be a member's day. 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Is the extended sitting on 9 August an extension of 8 August, 9 August an extension of 8 August, and 9 August an extension of 8 August, and if 9 August an extension of 8 August, and if so, 9 August an extension of 8 August, and if so, why 9 August an extension of 8 August, and if so, why does 9 August an extension of 8 August, and if so, why does it 9 August an extension of 8 August, and if so, why does it suddenly 9 August an extension of 8 August, and if so, why does it suddenly no and if so, why does it suddenly no longer and if so, why does it suddenly no longer become and if so, why does it suddenly no longer become a and if so, why does it suddenly no longer become a member's and if so, why does it suddenly no longer become a member's day? longer become a member's day? Because longer become a member's day? Because that's longer become a member's day? Because that's the longer become a member's day? Because that's the way longer become a member's day? Because that's the way the longer become a member's day? Because that's the way the rules longer become a member's day? Because that's the way the rules of Because that's the way the rules of the Because that's the way the rules of the House Because that's the way the rules of the House work. Because that's the way the rules of the House work. It Because that's the way the rules of the House work. It worked Because that's the way the rules of the House work. It worked several the House work. It worked several times the House work. It worked several times under the House work. It worked several times under the the House work. It worked several times under the previous the House work. It worked several times under the previous Government times under the previous Government where times under the previous Government where treaty times under the previous Government where treaty settlement times under the previous Government where treaty settlement bills times under the previous Government where treaty settlement bills were where treaty settlement bills were considered where treaty settlement bills were considered the where treaty settlement bills were considered the day where treaty settlement bills were considered the day after where treaty settlement bills were considered the day after a where treaty settlement bills were considered the day after a member's considered the day after a member's considered the day after a member's considered the day after a member's day. It considered the day after a member's day. It has considered the day after a member's day. It has happened considered the day after a member's day. 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Finance: My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he have My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he have confidence My question is to the Minister of Finance: Does he have confidence in Finance: Does he have confidence in the Finance: Does he have confidence in the Government's Finance: Does he have confidence in the Government's management Finance: Does he have confidence in the Government's management of Finance: Does he have confidence in the Government's management of the the Government's management of the New the Government's management of the New Zealand the Government's management of the New Zealand economy? Yes. Yes. Supplementary. Yes. Supplementary. Does Yes. Supplementary. Does he Yes. Supplementary. Does he agree Yes. Supplementary. Does he agree with Yes. Supplementary. Does he agree with economic Yes. Supplementary. Does he agree with economic commentator Yes. Supplementary. Does he agree with economic commentator Bernard with economic commentator Bernard Heckie with economic commentator Bernard Heckie who with economic commentator Bernard Heckie who today with economic commentator Bernard Heckie who today said, with economic commentator Bernard Heckie who today said, "This with economic commentator Bernard Heckie who today said, "This week's Heckie who today said, "This week's Heckie who today said, "This week's Heckie who today said, "This week's news economically Heckie who today said, "This week's news economically for Heckie who today said, "This week's news economically for the Heckie who today said, "This week's news economically for the Government news economically for the Government since news economically for the Government since its news economically for the Government since its election news economically for the Government since its election and news economically for the Government since its election and should news economically for the Government since its election and should force since its election and should force it since its election and should force it to since its election and should force it to recalibrate since its election and should force it to recalibrate its since its election and should force it to recalibrate its response." since its election and should force it to recalibrate its response." 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Does he take it as a signal of confidence in the a signal of confidence in the Government's a signal of confidence in the Government's economic a signal of confidence in the Government's economic management Government's economic management that Government's economic management Government's Government's economic management that job growth Government's economic management that job growth has Government's economic management that job growth has fallen Government's economic management that job growth has fallen by Government's economic management that job growth has fallen by 60% that job growth has fallen by 60% since that job growth has fallen by 60% since the that job growth has fallen by 60% since the Government that job growth has fallen by 60% since the Government took that job growth has fallen by 60% since the Government took office that job growth has fallen by 60% since the Government took office and since the Government took office and in since the Government took office and in the since the Government took office and in the past since the Government took office and in the past three since the Government took office and in the past three months, since the Government took office and in the past three months, 43 since the Government took office and in the past three months, 43 people in the past three months, 43 people extra, in the past three months, 43 people extra, have in the past three months, 43 people extra, have moved in the past three months, 43 people extra, have moved into in the past three months, 43 people extra, have moved into unemployment extra, have moved into unemployment every extra, have moved into unemployment every day? extra, have moved into unemployment every day? 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Nine months of this Government is not right. Is Nine months of this Government is not right. Is he Nine months of this Government is not right. Is he aware Nine months of this Government is not right. Is he aware that Nine months of this Government is not right. Is he aware that just Nine months of this Government is not right. Is he aware that just 1% not right. Is he aware that just 1% slower not right. Is he aware that just 1% slower GDP not right. Is he aware that just 1% slower GDP growth not right. Is he aware that just 1% slower GDP growth would not right. Is he aware that just 1% slower GDP growth would cost not right. 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Question issues in the construction sector particularly. Question No.2. particularly. particularly. Question particularly. Question No.2. 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On On behalf On behalf of On behalf of the On behalf of the minister On behalf of the minister for On behalf of the minister for Housing On behalf of the minister for Housing and On behalf of the minister for Housing and urban On behalf of the minister for Housing and urban development, On behalf of the minister for Housing and urban development, yes, Housing and urban development, yes, Housing and urban development, yes, Housing and urban development, yes, in the Housing and urban development, yes, in the context Housing and urban development, yes, in the context they Housing and urban development, yes, in the context they were Housing and urban development, yes, in the context they were made. Housing and urban development, yes, in the context they were made. When in the context they were made. When he in the context they were made. When he announced in the context they were made. When he announced five in the context they were made. When he announced five weeks in the context they were made. When he announced five weeks ago in the context they were made. 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Mr five weeks later to continue working on the project? Mr Speaker, five weeks later to continue working on the project? Mr Speaker, on on the project? Mr Speaker, on behalf on the project? Mr Speaker, on behalf of on the project? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the on the project? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister on the project? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of on the project? Mr Speaker, on behalf of the Minister of Housing behalf of the Minister of Housing behalf of the Minister of Housing behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, yes, behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, yes, I behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, yes, I did. and Urban Development, yes, I did. That and Urban Development, yes, I did. That was and Urban Development, yes, I did. That was short and Urban Development, yes, I did. 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Does he still stand by his statement last still stand by his statement last week still stand by his statement last week in still stand by his statement last week in the still stand by his statement last week in the House still stand by his statement last week in the House in still stand by his statement last week in the House in relation still stand by his statement last week in the House in relation to week in the House in relation to KiwiBuild, week in the House in relation to KiwiBuild, "In week in the House in relation to KiwiBuild, "In the week in the House in relation to KiwiBuild, "In the case week in the House in relation to KiwiBuild, "In the case of week in the House in relation to KiwiBuild, "In the case of developer KiwiBuild, "In the case of developer insolvency KiwiBuild, "In the case of developer insolvency the KiwiBuild, "In the case of developer insolvency the Crown KiwiBuild, "In the case of developer insolvency the Crown carries KiwiBuild, "In the case of developer insolvency the Crown carries no KiwiBuild, "In the case of developer insolvency the Crown carries no risk insolvency the Crown carries no risk whatsoever"? insolvency the Crown carries no risk whatsoever"? 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My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Transport: My question is to the Minister of Transport: Do My question is to the Minister of Transport: Do the My question is to the Minister of Transport: Do the funding Transport: Do the funding allocations Transport: Do the funding allocations in Transport: Do the funding allocations in the Transport: Do the funding allocations in the Government Transport: Do the funding allocations in the Government Policy allocations in the Government Policy Statement allocations in the Government Policy Statement on allocations in the Government Policy Statement on Land allocations in the Government Policy Statement on Land Transport allocations in the Government Policy Statement on Land Transport justify Statement on Land Transport justify increases Statement on Land Transport justify increases in Statement on Land Transport justify increases in fuel Statement on Land Transport justify increases in fuel taxes Statement on Land Transport justify increases in fuel taxes over Statement on Land Transport justify increases in fuel taxes over the increases in fuel taxes over the next increases in fuel taxes over the next 3 increases in fuel taxes over the next 3 years; increases in fuel taxes over the next 3 years; if increases in fuel taxes over the next 3 years; if so, increases in fuel taxes over the next 3 years; if so, how? The The Hon The Hon Shane The Hon Shane Jones. The Hon Shane Jones. On The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the Minister The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the Minister of The Hon Shane Jones. On behalf of the Minister of Transport, The Hon Shane Jones. 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The market can build more homes for young families. The urban market can build more homes for young families. The urban growth young families. The urban growth agenda young families. The urban growth agenda joins young families. The urban growth agenda joins KiwiBuild young families. The urban growth agenda joins KiwiBuild for young families. 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The urban growth agenda will reform The urban growth agenda will reform our The urban growth agenda will reform our planning The urban growth agenda will reform our planning system The urban growth agenda will reform our planning system and The urban growth agenda will reform our planning system and allow The urban growth agenda will reform our planning system and allow cities our planning system and allow cities to our planning system and allow cities to make our planning system and allow cities to make room our planning system and allow cities to make room for our planning system and allow cities to make room for growth, our planning system and allow cities to make room for growth, support to make room for growth, support quality to make room for growth, support quality built to make room for growth, support quality built environment to make room for growth, support quality built environment and to make room for growth, support quality built environment and enable quality built environment and enable integrated quality built environment and enable integrated transport, quality built environment and enable integrated transport, housing quality built environment and enable integrated transport, housing and integrated transport, housing and commercial integrated transport, housing and quality integrated transport, housing and commercial planning so integrated transport, housing and commercial planning so that integrated transport, housing and commercial planning so that urban commercial planning so that urban commercial commercial planning so that urban land prices reduce. commercial planning so that urban land prices reduce. 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We are also working on a broad range of infrastructure broad range of infrastructure financing broad range of infrastructure financing mechanisms broad range of infrastructure financing mechanisms so broad range of infrastructure financing mechanisms so that financing mechanisms so that long-term financing mechanisms so that long-term debt financing mechanisms so that long-term debt financing financing mechanisms so that long-term debt financing is long-term debt financing is available long-term debt financing is available to long-term debt financing is available to developers long-term debt financing is available to developers willing long-term debt financing is available to developers willing to available to developers willing to build available to developers willing to available available to developers willing to build trunk infrastructure available to developers willing to build trunk infrastructure financed build trunk infrastructure financed over build trunk infrastructure financed over a build trunk infrastructure financed over a longer build trunk infrastructure financed over a longer term, build trunk infrastructure financed over a longer term, rather build trunk infrastructure financed over a longer term, rather than build trunk infrastructure financed over a longer term, rather than in over a longer term, rather than in over a longer term, rather than in over a longer term, rather than in the up over a longer term, rather than in the up front over a longer term, rather than in the up front purchase over a longer term, rather than in the up front purchase price. over a longer term, rather than in the up front purchase price. 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That is what rural proofing will do, is ensure sensible proofing will do, is ensure sensible policies proofing will do, is ensure sensible policies for proofing will do, is ensure sensible policies for rural proofing will do, is ensure sensible policies for rural communities. policies for rural communities. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> When <INTERRUPTION> When he <INTERRUPTION> When he said <INTERRUPTION> When he said rural <INTERRUPTION> When he said rural proofing <INTERRUPTION> When he said rural proofing would <INTERRUPTION> When he said rural proofing would go When he said rural proofing would go through When he said rural proofing would go through a When he said rural proofing would go through a rural When he said rural proofing would go through a rural lens When he said rural proofing would go through a rural lens and When he said rural proofing would go through a rural lens and ensure When he said rural proofing would go through a rural lens and ensure all through a rural lens and ensure all Government through a rural lens and ensure all Government policymakers through a rural lens and ensure all Government policymakers would through a rural lens and ensure all Government policymakers would focus Government policymakers would focus on Government policymakers would focus on easing Government policymakers would focus on easing the Government policymakers would focus on easing the cost Government policymakers would focus on easing the cost of Government policymakers would focus on easing the cost of compliance, on easing the cost of compliance, why on easing the cost of compliance, why has on easing the cost of compliance, why has this on easing the cost of compliance, why has this not on easing the cost of compliance, why has this not allayed on easing the cost of compliance, why has this not allayed farmer's why has this not allayed farmer's fears why has this not allayed farmer's fears of why has this not allayed farmer's fears of more why has this not allayed farmer's fears of more red why has this not allayed farmer's fears of more red tape why has this not allayed farmer's fears of more red tape and fears of more red tape and anti-farming fears of more red tape and anti-farming policies fears of more red tape and anti-farming policies from fears of more red tape and anti-farming policies from this anti-farming policies from this Government? anti-farming policies from this Government? There anti-farming policies from this Government? There are anti-farming policies from this Government? There are no Government? There are no anti-farming Government? There are no anti-farming policies. Government? There are no anti-farming policies. There Government? There are no anti-farming policies. There are anti-farming policies. There are additional anti-farming policies. There are additional costs, anti-farming policies. There are additional costs, Mr anti-farming policies. There are additional costs, Mr Speaker, additional costs, Mr Speaker, because additional costs, Mr Speaker, because the additional costs, Mr Speaker, because the farming additional costs, Mr Speaker, because the farming sector additional costs, Mr Speaker, because the farming sector realised because the farming sector realised that because the farming sector realised that expectations because the farming sector realised that expectations from because the farming sector realised that expectations from our because the farming sector realised that expectations from our customers that expectations from our customers that expectations from our customers that expectations from our customers and consumers that expectations from our customers and consumers around that expectations from our customers and consumers around the that expectations from our customers and consumers around the world and consumers around the world demand and consumers around the world demand the and consumers around the world demand the best and consumers around the world demand the best in and consumers around the world demand the best in terms and consumers around the world demand the best in terms of demand the best in terms of environmental demand the best in terms of environmental management, demand the best in terms of environmental management, the demand the best in terms of environmental management, the best environmental management, the best environmental management, the best environmental management, the best in terms environmental management, the best in terms of environmental management, the best in terms of animal environmental management, the best in terms of animal welfare, environmental management, the best in terms of animal welfare, the environmental management, the best in terms of animal welfare, the best in terms of animal welfare, the best in in terms of animal welfare, the best in terms in terms of animal welfare, the best in terms of in terms of animal welfare, the best in terms of labour in terms of animal welfare, the best in terms of labour requirements. in terms of animal welfare, the best in terms of labour requirements. Mr in terms of labour requirements. Mr Speaker, in terms of labour requirements. Mr Speaker, provisions in terms of labour requirements. Mr Speaker, provisions and in terms of labour requirements. Mr Speaker, provisions and guarantees Speaker, provisions and guarantees Speaker, provisions and guarantees Speaker, provisions and guarantees that we Speaker, provisions and guarantees that we couldn't Speaker, provisions and guarantees that we couldn't or Speaker, provisions and guarantees that we couldn't or the Speaker, provisions and guarantees that we couldn't or the previous that we couldn't or the previous Government that we couldn't or the previous Government couldn't that we couldn't or the previous Government couldn't give, that we couldn't or the previous Government couldn't give, we that we couldn't or the previous Government couldn't give, we will that we couldn't or the previous Government couldn't give, we will be Government couldn't give, we will be in Government couldn't give, we will be in a Government couldn't give, we will be in a position Government couldn't give, we will be in a position to Government couldn't give, we will be in a position to give Government couldn't give, we will be in a position to give those in a position to give those assurances in a position to give those assurances across in a position to give those assurances across the in a position to give those assurances across the board in a position to give those assurances across the board so in a position to give those assurances across the board so we assurances across the board so we can assurances across the board so we can sell assurances across the board so we can sell our assurances across the board so we can sell our products assurances across the board so we can sell our products for assurances across the board so we can sell our products for better can sell our products for better returns can sell our products for better returns and can sell our products for better returns and better can sell our products for better returns and better profits can sell our products for better returns and better profits for can sell our products for better returns and better profits for the returns and better profits for the returns and better profits for the returns and better profits for the farmers. Since returns and better profits for the farmers. Since mid-June returns and better profits for the farmers. Since mid-June 2018 returns and better profits for the farmers. Since mid-June 2018 have farmers. Since mid-June 2018 have any farmers. Since mid-June 2018 have any Cabinet farmers. Since mid-June 2018 have any Cabinet papers, farmers. Since mid-June 2018 have any Cabinet papers, included any Cabinet papers, included rural-proofing any Cabinet papers, included rural-proofing aspects, any Cabinet papers, included rural-proofing aspects, on any Cabinet papers, included rural-proofing aspects, on any rural-proofing aspects, on any Government rural-proofing aspects, on any Government policies rural-proofing aspects, on any Government policies and rural-proofing aspects, on any Government policies and what rural-proofing aspects, on any Government policies and what were Government policies and what were those Government policies and what were those policies? Government policies and what were those policies? The Government policies and what were those policies? The Ministry Government policies and what were those policies? The Ministry for those policies? The Ministry for Primary those policies? The Ministry for Primary Industries those policies? The Ministry for Primary Industries is those policies? The Ministry for Primary Industries is leading those policies? The Ministry for Primary Industries is leading the Primary Industries is leading the process Primary Industries is leading the process of Primary Industries is leading the process of rural-proofing Primary Industries is leading the process of rural-proofing and process of rural-proofing and providing process of rural-proofing and providing advice process of rural-proofing and providing advice across process of rural-proofing and providing advice across all providing advice across all government providing advice across all government agencies. providing advice across all government agencies. Our providing advice across all government agencies. Our Government government agencies. Our Government has government agencies. Our Government has gone government agencies. Our Government has gone through government agencies. Our Government has gone through a government agencies. Our Government has gone through a proper government agencies. Our Government has gone through a proper process government agencies. Our Government has gone through a proper process of has gone through a proper process of ensuring has gone through a proper process of ensuring that, has gone through a proper process of ensuring that, firstly, has gone through a proper process of ensuring that, firstly, there has gone through a proper process of ensuring that, firstly, there is ensuring that, firstly, there is Cabinet ensuring that, firstly, there is Cabinet endorsement, ensuring that, firstly, there is Cabinet endorsement, and ensuring that, firstly, there is Cabinet endorsement, and a ensuring that, firstly, there is Cabinet endorsement, and a wide Cabinet endorsement, and a wide level Cabinet endorsement, and a wide level of Cabinet endorsement, and a wide level of awareness. Cabinet endorsement, and a wide level of awareness. The Cabinet endorsement, and a wide level of awareness. The rural Cabinet endorsement, and a wide level of awareness. The rural lens level of awareness. The rural lens that level of awareness. The rural lens that we level of awareness. The rural lens that we will level of awareness. The rural lens that we will put level of awareness. The rural lens that we will put over level of awareness. The rural lens that we will put over that level of awareness. The rural lens that we will put over that will level of awareness. The rural lens that we will put over that will be that we will put over that will be utilising... that we will put over that will be utilising... <INTERRUPTION> that we will put over that will be utilising... <INTERRUPTION> ..both utilising... <INTERRUPTION> ..both eyes, utilising... <INTERRUPTION> ..both eyes, not utilising... <INTERRUPTION> ..both eyes, not having utilising... <INTERRUPTION> ..both eyes, not having one utilising... <INTERRUPTION> ..both eyes, not having one eye utilising... <INTERRUPTION> ..both eyes, not having one eye closed utilising... <INTERRUPTION> ..both eyes, not having one eye closed like eyes, not having one eye closed like the eyes, not having one eye closed like the previous eyes, not having one eye closed like the previous Government. the previous Government. <INTERRUPTION> <INTERRUPTION> Question <INTERRUPTION> Question No. <INTERRUPTION> Question No. 7. My My question My question is My question is to My question is to the My question is to the Minister My question is to the Minister of My question is to the Minister of Justice: My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he agree My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he agree with My question is to the Minister of Justice: Does he agree with the Justice: Does he agree with the statement Justice: Does he agree with the statement yesterday Justice: Does he agree with the statement yesterday by Justice: Does he agree with the statement yesterday by Dr Justice: Does he agree with the statement yesterday by Dr Bryce statement yesterday by Dr Bryce Edwards statement yesterday by Dr Bryce Edwards of statement yesterday by Dr Bryce Edwards of Victoria statement yesterday by Dr Bryce Edwards of Victoria University statement yesterday by Dr Bryce Edwards of Victoria University that Edwards of Victoria University that the Edwards of Victoria University that the waka-jumping Edwards of Victoria University that the waka-jumping bill Edwards of Victoria University that the waka-jumping bill itself Edwards of Victoria University that the waka-jumping bill itself is Edwards of Victoria University that the waka-jumping bill itself is bad the waka-jumping bill itself is bad enough the waka-jumping bill itself is bad enough for the waka-jumping bill itself is bad enough for democracy the waka-jumping bill itself is bad enough for democracy but the waka-jumping bill itself is bad enough for democracy but the the waka-jumping bill itself is bad enough for democracy but the process enough for democracy but the process surrounding enough for democracy but the process surrounding the enough for democracy but the process surrounding the bill enough for democracy but the process surrounding the bill has enough for democracy but the process surrounding the bill has also enough for democracy but the process surrounding the bill has also been enough for democracy but the process surrounding the bill has also been a surrounding the bill has also been a blow surrounding the bill has also been a blow against surrounding the bill has also been a blow against democracy, surrounding the bill has also been a blow against democracy, and surrounding the bill has also been a blow against democracy, and it surrounding the bill has also been a blow against democracy, and it makes blow against democracy, and it makes the blow against democracy, and it makes the "legislation blow against democracy, and it makes the "legislation process blow against democracy, and it makes the "legislation process look blow against democracy, and it makes the "legislation process look like blow against democracy, and it makes the "legislation process look like a the "legislation process look like a turning the "legislation process look like a turning point the "legislation process look like a turning point in the "legislation process look like a turning point in the the "legislation process look like a turning point in the health the "legislation process look like a turning point in the health of the "legislation process look like a turning point in the health of this turning point in the health of this Government"? I I will I will allow I will allow the I will allow the member I will allow the member to I will allow the member to answer I will allow the member to answer the I will allow the member to answer the question, I will allow the member to answer the question, even I will allow the member to answer the question, even though I will allow the member to answer the question, even though the I will allow the member to answer the question, even though the member the question, even though the member corrected the question, even though the member corrected Dr the question, even though the member corrected Dr Edwards' the question, even though the member corrected Dr Edwards' grammar. the question, even though the member corrected Dr Edwards' grammar. No. corrected Dr Edwards' grammar. No. Supplementary. corrected Dr Edwards' grammar. No. Supplementary. Has corrected Dr Edwards' grammar. No. Supplementary. Has he corrected Dr Edwards' grammar. No. Supplementary. Has he seen corrected Dr Edwards' grammar. No. Supplementary. Has he seen the Supplementary. Has he seen the Cabinet Supplementary. Has he seen the Cabinet advice Supplementary. Has he seen the Cabinet advice or Supplementary. Has he seen the Cabinet advice or Cabinet Supplementary. Has he seen the Cabinet advice or Cabinet office Cabinet advice or Cabinet office advice Cabinet advice or Cabinet office advice specifically Cabinet advice or Cabinet office advice specifically on Cabinet advice or Cabinet office advice specifically on his Cabinet advice or Cabinet office advice specifically on his electoral advice specifically on his electoral integrity advice specifically on his electoral integrity bill advice specifically on his electoral integrity bill that advice specifically on his electoral integrity bill that plaintiff advice specifically on his electoral integrity bill that plaintiff Edward integrity bill that plaintiff Edward -- integrity bill that plaintiff Edward -- that integrity bill that plaintiff Edward -- that Mr integrity bill that plaintiff Edward -- that Mr Edwards integrity bill that plaintiff Edward -- that Mr Edwards refers integrity bill that plaintiff Edward -- that Mr Edwards refers to integrity bill that plaintiff Edward -- that Mr Edwards refers to that -- that Mr Edwards refers to that contradicts -- that Mr Edwards refers to that contradicts the -- that Mr Edwards refers to that contradicts the Green -- that Mr Edwards refers to that contradicts the Green Party's -- that Mr Edwards refers to that contradicts the Green Party's public contradicts the Green Party's public statements contradicts the Green Party's public statements that contradicts the Green Party's public statements that the contradicts the Green Party's public statements that the party contradicts the Green Party's public statements that the party has contradicts the Green Party's public statements that the party has to statements that the party has to vote statements that the party has to vote for statements that the party has to vote for the statements that the party has to vote for the bill? statements that the party has to vote for the bill? Yes. statements that the party has to vote for the bill? Yes. Could statements that the party has to vote for the bill? Yes. Could the vote for the bill? Yes. Could the minister vote for the bill? Yes. Could the minister summarise vote for the bill? Yes. Could the minister summarise the vote for the bill? Yes. Could the minister summarise the advice vote for the bill? Yes. Could the minister summarise the advice that minister summarise the advice that the minister summarise the advice that the Cabinet minister summarise the advice that the Cabinet Office minister summarise the advice that the Cabinet Office gave minister summarise the advice that the Cabinet Office gave with minister summarise the advice that the Cabinet Office gave with respect the Cabinet Office gave with respect to the Cabinet Office gave with respect to the the Cabinet Office gave with respect to the Electoral the Cabinet Office gave with respect to the Electoral (Integrity) to the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment to the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill. to the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill. Yes. to the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill. Yes. At to the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill. Yes. At odds to the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill. Yes. At odds with to the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Bill. Yes. At odds with Dr Amendment Bill. Yes. At odds with Dr Edwards's Amendment Bill. Yes. At odds with Dr Edwards's description Amendment Bill. Yes. At odds with Dr Edwards's description Will Amendment Bill. Yes. At odds with Dr Edwards's description Will the Edwards's description Will the minister Edwards's description Will the minister make Edwards's description Will the minister make public Edwards's description Will the minister make public the Edwards's description Will the minister make public the advice Edwards's description Will the minister make public the advice from minister make public the advice from the minister make public the advice from the cab, minister make public the advice from the cab, in minister make public the advice from the cab, in fact, minister make public the advice from the cab, in fact, office minister make public the advice from the cab, in fact, office with the cab, in fact, office with respect the cab, in fact, office with respect to the cab, in fact, office with respect to the the cab, in fact, office with respect to the -- the cab, in fact, office with respect to the -- Cabinet the cab, in fact, office with respect to the -- Cabinet office respect to the -- Cabinet office with respect to the -- Cabinet office with transport respect to the -- Cabinet office with transport to respect to the -- Cabinet office with transport to the respect to the -- Cabinet office with transport to the Electoral with transport to the Electoral Integrity with transport to the Electoral Integrity Bill, with transport to the Electoral Integrity Bill, prior with transport to the Electoral Integrity Bill, prior to with transport to the Electoral Integrity Bill, prior to bill with transport to the Electoral Integrity Bill, prior to bill being Integrity Bill, prior to bill being further Integrity Bill, prior to bill being further debated Integrity Bill, prior to bill being further debated in Integrity Bill, prior to bill being further debated in the Integrity Bill, prior to bill being further debated in the House? Integrity Bill, prior to bill being further debated in the House? No. further debated in the House? 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It needs urgent and significant financial support and I significant financial support and I believe significant financial support and I believe the significant financial support and I believe the Commissioner significant financial support and I believe the Commissioner is significant financial support and I believe the Commissioner is needed believe the Commissioner is needed to believe the Commissioner is needed to ensure believe the Commissioner is needed to ensure that believe the Commissioner is needed to ensure that both believe the Commissioner is needed to ensure that both tertiary believe the Commissioner is needed to ensure that both tertiary - believe the Commissioner is needed to ensure that both tertiary - the to ensure that both tertiary - the Tertiary to ensure that both tertiary - the Tertiary Education to ensure that both tertiary - the Tertiary Education Commission to ensure that both tertiary - the Tertiary Education Commission and to ensure that both tertiary - the Tertiary Education Commission and I Tertiary Education Commission and I have Tertiary Education Commission and I have the Tertiary Education Commission and I have the oversight Tertiary Education Commission and I have the oversight that Tertiary Education Commission and I have the oversight that we Tertiary Education Commission and I have the oversight that we need. 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The new Commissioner is Murray The new Commissioner is Murray Strong, The new Commissioner is Murray Strong, the The new Commissioner is Murray Strong, the Government The new Commissioner is Murray Strong, the Government appointed Strong, the Government appointed Crown Strong, the Government appointed Crown manager Strong, the Government appointed Crown manager at Strong, the Government appointed Crown manager at another Strong, the Government appointed Crown manager at another polyit Strong, the Government appointed Crown manager at another polyit can Crown manager at another polyit can neck Crown manager at another polyit can neck on Crown manager at another polyit can neck on the Crown manager at another polyit can neck on the South Crown manager at another polyit can neck on the South Island. Crown manager at another polyit can neck on the South Island. He Crown manager at another polyit can neck on the South Island. 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But we are looking at training enough of our own people to Australia. But we are looking at training enough of our own people to training enough of our own people to build training enough of our own people to build our training enough of our own people to build our own training enough of our own people to build our own houses. training enough of our own people to build our own houses. <INTERRUPTION> build our own houses. <INTERRUPTION> What build our own houses. <INTERRUPTION> What is build our own houses. <INTERRUPTION> What is the build our own houses. <INTERRUPTION> What is the Government build our own houses. <INTERRUPTION> What is the Government doing build our own houses. <INTERRUPTION> What is the Government doing to build our own houses. <INTERRUPTION> What is the Government doing to lift What is the Government doing to lift skills What is the Government doing to lift skills in What is the Government doing to lift skills in the What is the Government doing to lift skills in the construction What is the Government doing to lift skills in the construction sector? skills in the construction sector? Mr skills in the construction sector? Mr Speaker, skills in the construction sector? Mr Speaker, the skills in the construction sector? Mr Speaker, the ministerial skills in the construction sector? 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Can the minister assure the public that there will be assure the public that there will be no assure the public that there will be no more assure the public that there will be no more sales assure the public that there will be no more sales of assure the public that there will be no more sales of Crown assure the public that there will be no more sales of Crown pastoral no more sales of Crown pastoral lease no more sales of Crown pastoral lease land no more sales of Crown pastoral lease land to no more sales of Crown pastoral lease land to overseas no more sales of Crown pastoral lease land to overseas interests lease land to overseas interests until lease land to overseas interests until the lease land to overseas interests until the Government lease land to overseas interests until the Government has lease land to overseas interests until the Government has changed lease land to overseas interests until the Government has changed the until the Government has changed the laws until the Government has changed the laws around until the Government has changed the laws around the until the Government has changed the laws around the overseas until the Government has changed the laws around the overseas ownership laws around the overseas ownership of laws around the overseas ownership of such laws around the overseas ownership of such land? laws around the overseas ownership of such land? 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